WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 12 September 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:07.080 From the Sky Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Get overon. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:09.360 Thank you very much, Sharry. Can we go straight to space? 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.560 Like as we speak right now, history is happening, way way, way, 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.240 way way up there there where the first person to 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.400 pay their way not just into the upper atmosphere but 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:24.200 up and outside, and the first space walk is happening 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.920 as we speak now. Apparently the cost is the best 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:30.000 part of two hundred million dollars. Now as you can see, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.840 the camera angles and we're seeing somebody come just back 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:38.120 in then. But can you believe this that when man 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.559 first walked on the moon, we were all huddled, well 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.640 not me, but we were all huddled around TV and 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.400 radio and the signal had to come via parks. And 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.280 look at where we've come. When now something that isn't NASA, 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:57.120 people who aren't astronauts, but people who are civilians who 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.880 obviously training, safety, all the rest of it, are abled 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:02.920 to pay their way to space. And right now as 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:04.760 we speak, you can see that the hatch is open 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.840 and there are people who are looking out into the 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.280 grape beyond. Now tonight we'll do all the normal stuff 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:13.680 we're doing, but can we just soak this up for 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:17.280 a couple of seconds because I just find this incredible. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:19.959 You don't know how they do it. It costs an 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.679 awful lot of money, but this is the future for 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:24.080 those that are going to be able to afford it. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.360 They're not just going to float around in the upper atmosphere. 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.480 You may well be able to get into space, open 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.440 the door and go for a walk when there's another 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:36.600 version of somebody doing it, because there are four people 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.040 who will have the opportunity. We'll return to that footage, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:40.720 but welcome to the show this Thursday night. There is 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.760 a lot to get to, including yet another attempt of 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.000 this government. It's attempt number two now when it comes 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:50.000 to trying to censor the Internet. I hate this idea 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.840 and I don't think the second version is any better 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.600 than the first version. Also, it was muck Up Day 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:57.880 today in the queens Land Parliament, the last time that 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.080 idiot hopefully will be in the parliam as the Premier. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.240 And Meghan Kelly, we showed you how fired up she 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.720 was yesterday. Well twenty four hours on, she is ready 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:10.040 to rock and talk everything about that awful debate that 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.200 took place and what should happen in the future. She 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.440 is awesome. But first you know that we have been 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.560 following the bouncing ball from when it was a report, 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.480 to a report that they hid, to a report that 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.880 they put on the table, to a discussion that they 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.800 started to have, to negotiations that have now gone through. 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.400 Today the government says that they have a deal to 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.800 find a way through the Parliament to change how much 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.720 you have to pay for aged care. Now, I know 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.880 that there's a lot of people who are worried about this. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.160 What is very important is that the Liberals have been 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.680 able to say in this deal that if you're currently 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.560 physically in age care, there will be no changes as 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.160 best as I understand or triple check that. But this 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.480 is all for people who will move into age care 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.120 or need at home care in the next of a while. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.520 I told you that we followed the excellent Inside Baseball 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.680 reporting here with Philip Coury the whole way through, so 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.480 he deserves the credit and respect for me to tell 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.680 you what his assumption is of things here. He says 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:15.600 that of the so called richer retirees, they will instead 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.000 be able to age at home, but they would be 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.440 required to pay up to eighty percent of the everyday 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.840 living costs such as cleaning, gardening and food and fifty 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.880 percent of so called independence costs. That's things like somebody 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.960 picking you up, taking you to the doctor. The overall 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.440 which essentially will require part pensioners and self funded retirees 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.920 to contribute more for their care based on their assets. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.560 Now it's important too, it's not necessarily about your family home, 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.480 but your family home does play a part in this. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:47.360 But if you've got things like superannuation shares, other forms 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:49.560 of income, or you are going to have to pay more. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:51.560 I am going to get right into the detail on 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.760 this to give you a little indication of what might 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.240 be happening in July next year. Again, it is weighted 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:01.120 towards increasing home care costs. Now, remember half of all 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.480 people that are in aged care are not in an 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:07.560 age care facility. They are at home with an at 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.920 home package. The biggest financial changes are for the people 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.240 who are trying to stay at home for as long 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.479 as you can, for as much as you would all 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.679 want to be in your home for as long as possible. Again, 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:24.159 Philip Kurry with plenty of information and detail here where 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.600 it says that under the changes which both major parties 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.800 and the sector say are essential to keep the system 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.880 financially sustainable. The maximum amount that you will contribute to 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.039 your care at home or in an aged care system 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.400 is moving from the current cap of seventy nine thousand 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.960 dollars way up to one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.279 So that is the overall cost is going to be 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.960 a lot more. So let me walk you through this. Okay, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:55.720 For people who are in aged care currently they pay 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.479 twenty three thousand dollars. If you're a pensioner but you 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.440 don't have a house, from July one next year, it'll 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:07.040 be basically the same. For full pensioners, but you own 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.479 a house and the values somewhere around six hundred thousand 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.120 dollars twenty four thousand dollars, you will be paying another 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.839 for and a bit thousand dollars every single year until 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.360 you have put in one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.280 For part pensioners who own a home over a million dollars, 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.240 you're going from the current thirty one thousand up by 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:31.320 about five thousand dollars to thirty six thousand dollars. Again, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.919 you keep paying the thirty six thousand dollars until you 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:38.440 hit one hundred and thirty thousand dollars For part pensioners 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.960 who own a home, say nine hundred thousand dollars, and 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.040 you've got say five hundred thousand dollars super shares or 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.159 something else. This is a big whack. From thirty four 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:50.800 thousand dollars a year, it's way up forty seven thousand, 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:55.320 seven hundred dollars. That's a big change for people who 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.520 own a home that could be worth something like one 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.360 point six So many of the suburban homes around Sydney 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.640 would be worth that, certainly for Melbourne and Brucebane as well. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.000 Plus again you have other assets, super and the rest 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.240 of it. Up to nine hundred thousand houses for a 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.360 whack from forty nine thousand dollars a year. This is 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.200 to be in a facility, it'll go up, so sixty 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.839 two eight hundred dollars. Now, of course that is not 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.000 the total amount that you'll have to spend. There's lots 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.000 of other little ways that age care companies who run 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.800 these homes fine ways to get you. But the overall 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.280 number that the government will help support you is changing, 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.480 and it's changing in pretty big ways. Now there isn't 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:30.919 a person watching who doesn't want to stay in the 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.440 home for as long as possible. Why because you deserve 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.960 that independence. Why because you've earned that independence, because you 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:38.880 worked hard to have the home that you live in. 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:40.800 You love it. It's where the memories are, it's where 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.159 you've spent so much time in the garden renovating the 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.320 memories of the kids, and of course a place where 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:50.080 grandkids come over. Again. Some changes here. But interestingly, the 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.400 government when it's released the data today and it is 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.520 very complicated to give you exact numbers. Hopefully in the 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.760 next couple of days the news organizations will give you 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.160 the chance to put in all of your details and 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.640 see what the changes are. So I don't have a 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.080 comparison to you how much you currently pay, but this 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.400 is what's going to change. Okay, So if you're a 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.800 full pensioner, you're renting, you've got no other sources of income, 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.880 you're going to pay two four hundred and sixty seven 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.520 dollars a year to stay at home. If you've got 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.160 a part pension, you own your home, plus a little 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:28.680 bit of super, it'll be eleven and a half thousand dollars. 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.880 The same for self unded retiree. Now the Commonwealth Seniors 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.680 Card comes into play here. If you've got one and 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.680 two hundred thousand dollars in assets, it'll be about eleven 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.360 and a half thousand dollars. And then we start to 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.320 take some big steps. A self funded retiree who does 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.760 have a Commonwealth Seniors Card and as I say, about 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.680 five hundred thousand dollars in assets, that's sixteen thousand and 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.080 the so called rich, the self funded retiree with no 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.760 Commonwealth Seniors Card five hundred thousand dollars in assets, you 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.040 will be paying sixteen thousand, six hundred and fifteen dollars 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.520 a year. Now, at some point we're all going to 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.200 have to deal with the system, which is why I'm 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.880 giving you as much information as possible right now. Now 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.120 this will save the federal budget, but of course it 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:18.560 will cost people more. These things do not kick in 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.320 until July the first of next year, so don't be 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.880 worried about something happening in the next month or so. 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.640 But this is something that is going to be happening. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.480 It will pass the Parliament, which is why the Prime 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.000 Minister gave it the full Prime Ministerial Courtyard treatment today 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.120 like he was making history by making you pay more 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.440 for age care at home or somewhere else. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.360 We know that increasingly as as Australians want to spend 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.800 more time living at home. As a result of the 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.079 reforms that we're announcing today, around one point four million 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.880 Australians will benefit from a new support at home program 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.679 by two thousand and thirty five, helping them remain independent 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.640 in their home and their community for longer. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.920 Now, again, devil is always in the detail. We'll all 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:08.920 work through that over the next few days. But I 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.240 know we've been on this journey since December last year 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.600 when this looked like it was what's going to happen 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.679 now again your family home. They say it doesn't really 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.480 count in your calculation of wealth, but clearly you can 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.400 see that there are gradients there about the family home. Now, 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.040 whether that is just the buried lead somewhere, or we'll 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.800 get more clarity as we go through the documents. I'll 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:30.920 do that for you when we come back and keep 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.160 chatting next week. Remember being here on a Sunday night 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.559 as well, because we get in before everyone else obviously, 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.560 but also we'll have a bit more research on this. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.000 For his part, Peter duttn't Remember, these laws only happened 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.160 because both of the major parties have agreed. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:48.400 He said this, It's no secret that we've been discussing 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.040 age care with the government. I want people to have 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.480 dignity as they age. I want there to be sustainability 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.679 in the age care system. I want people to know 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.560 that when you or dad, a grandma, grandpa going too 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.600 an age care setting, that they're getting the best care provided. 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.840 And so we've been in discussions with the government to 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.719 have a look at what they're proposing, and then we'll 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:15.960 we'll make a decision as to what our next step 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:16.280 will be. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.400 One thing that I certainly hope the opposition does not 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.840 get involved in is another plan that was announced today 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.960 which was another version of censoring the internet. Remember the 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.120 word that was used over and over during the Voice 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.400 campaign when they started to lose, and then they've been 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.840 screaming from the rooftops after sixty percent of the country 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:42.240 said hell no. Begins with an M. Misinformation, misinformation, misinformation. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.520 The misinformation which is there some misinformation. 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.280 Now again, we all know what's true, what's not true, 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:53.440 what's a lie? But misinformation is this new sort of 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:57.640 somewhat made up middle word of course, it is generally 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:03.760 interpreted by left wing think tanks and by governments and 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.840 so called fact checkers, which of course is to always 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.800 generally follow whatever the government says is true at the time. 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.760 Now we know that there were many things that were 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.120 ruled misinformation over the past couple of years that turned 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.960 out to be stone cold truth. There was stuff that 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.199 you knew at the absolute time was truth, like say 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.360 the Hunter Biden laptop, but it was all declared misinformation 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.760 because the government at that time wanted to hide things 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.560 that left wing of politics wanted to hide. That at 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:36.959 the last presidential election. But here in Australia again there 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.880 is apparently some great need for social media companies to 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:45.440 be punished if they host misinformation. Now they tell us 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.760 that media organizations are exempt. But my reading of it 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.920 to this point is that it's about what you broadcast, 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.280 not if somebody posts a link from a media organization 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:03.120 on social media platform that, again a left wing think 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.640 tank will turn around and suggest to be misinformation because 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.720 it's not the government line. I've got the legislation, seventy 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.680 five pages in length. I will read it in excruciating 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.000 detail and get more advice. Again over the weekend. Be 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.199 here Sunday night. But let's have a look here. The 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.720 Australian newspaper again previewing this today that the second take 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.839 on the Misinformation Bill the censoring of the Internet. I'm 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.439 not calling it the misinformation bill. It is the censoring 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.120 of the Internet. This is not just going after what 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.520 you post on Facebook or Twitter. But if you're somebody 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.080 who likes listening to a certain podcast or a certain 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.559 watch a certain YouTube video and then again you want 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.680 to share those on socials. This is what it's all about. 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.360 Shutting down And as anyone remembers during the COVID times 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.040 that yes, of course there's plenty of sources that just 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.880 didn't tell the truth, even those that are trying to 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.960 turn around and challenge the narrative. But there were plenty 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.320 of people who were challenging the narrative and doing so 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:01.120 in those formats. So as a free speech guy, this 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.679 has massive concerns for me, because remember, what is misinformation 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:10.800 is determined by government, by the bureaucracy of government, or 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.320 by the henchmen of the left wings of the parties 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:20.079 of government. Today, Sky News, which is generally speaking, been 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.719 skeptical of what's been put up here. I don't say 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:24.560 that as an official position. I'm just saying that of 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.280 many of the articles that we've done as analysis skynews, 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.959 dot com dot Au, they say that it's an attack 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.120 on our freedoms. They of course is we But still 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.959 the government revised Online Misinformation Bill SLAMM is having a 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.520 chilling effect on free speech. Again, i'd say misinformation law, 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.840 I say censoring the Internet, because Australians have a very 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.160 different attitude to censoring the Internet than they do to misinformation. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.240 I'm not playing by Teal and Green and Radio National 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.280 Talk here. Okay, this is from our article. Like the 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.199 previous draft, the new laws would empower the Australian Communications 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.920 and Media Authority to impose massive fines of up to 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.240 five percent of global revenue on a social media platform 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.920 that fails to adequately crack down on misinformation and disinformation 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:13.040 on their platforms. Remember, the government decided what was true 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.600 in COVID. The government will turn around and say that 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.160 even when we can find data that pushes back against 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.840 their narrative, that it ain't true and therefore the Minister 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:27.160 the Communications Authority would have even greater power to shut 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.560 down alternative views and by that men alternative facts, are 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.800 men alternative views to whatever their view is of the day. 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.280 The ACMA will be also given powers to approve enforcibility 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:43.680 of codes for dealing with misinformation and disinformation. And interestingly, 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.400 here are we talking about codes that are exclusively for 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.680 the Internet or do they extend to the areas they 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:55.280 currently regulate television radio ACTMA doesn't have play a role 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.360 in things like the Press Council, But does it extend 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.440 again to the opinion piece in the newspaper that someone 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:04.520 objects to? Again, I think when somebody is wrong, the 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.840 best way to deal with it is to argue why 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.120 they are wrong, not to pretend that they are not 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.720 allowed a voice. For his part, the Home Affairs Minister 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.040 and a free speech advocate, James Patterson, he feels like 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.040 I do. This is not what it seems. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:22.800 Well, I think we're going to get ourselves into a 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.560 very dangerous state of affairs if we allow, for example, 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:30.320 during an election campaign, a American or Chinese headquartered social 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.520 media platform decide what Australians can and cannot hear from 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.760 political candidates and political parties. I think we always have 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.600 to have a strong bias for free speeches. 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:45.000 On all right now. I don't want anyone to be 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.400 given safe haven for lies, but I think the way 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.840 to combat them is to say this is wrong. Let 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.840 me explain why. If you read an article that you 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.040 see as being wrong, then feel free to write your 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.560 own version of it in anywhere from your sub stack 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.040 to the paper and all in between. There's plenty of 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.760 new ways to push back rather than again people who've 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.320 always hated people of the right using this as a 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:15.560 way of deliberately trying to shut down the arguments that 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.520 push back against a pretty draconian system which is being 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:25.600 proposed right now now. Also, political lies apparently are going 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:30.000 to be captured inside the misinformation regime. Now, remember the 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.280 political lie of the Labor Party of oh, they're planning 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.200 to privatize medicare. Well, they of course said that, despite 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.920 the fact that it clearly was not true, despite the 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.880 fact the government, the opposition of the government at the 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.280 time it said no, no, no, no no. They said, oh, well, 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.280 there's this report somewhere that proves our point. Would things 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.960 like medi scare be banned under this again, you'd have 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.120 a scenario where one side of politics says, well, this 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:52.880 is your plan, because we've got the piece of paper 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.160 and the other side of politics that says, well, no, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:59.440 it's not who adjudicates this is it a bunch of 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:03.280 again people with loyalties to the party of power at 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.800 any one time. And this affects people on the left 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.520 and the right because we get the governments we like 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:11.840 and don't like every few years. The Minister has incredible 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.640 powers under this as well to be able to see 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.200 something they personally don't like and to refer it to 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:23.560 the system to be put through the ringer. This is important. Meantime, 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.320 Another Liberal Party perspective on this comes from James McGrath, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.640 again belling the cat that this looks like something far 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.280 more benign, but once you actually lift up the hood 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.720 and have a look at censoring the internet, it's not 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:36.439 a good idea. 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.000 A Liberal National Party will always support freedom of speech. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.000 We're not going to support any bill that attempts to 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.240 curtail freedom of speech. We're particularly worried about the fact 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:54.000 that the Minister can direct an investigation into someone's exercise 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:55.000 of freedom of speech. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:56.200 That is so wrong. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.520 No minister, whether especially a Laber or Green minister, should 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.760 be into hearing with our god given right to express 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:04.440 our freedom speech in this country. 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.400 Of course, the problem with this is that we don't 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.440 have free speech in Australia. Have the illusion of free 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:13.360 speech in Australia everything from defamation laws to now potentially 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:19.000 misinformation or censoring the Internet laws decency standards, which again 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.960 are patrolled by people who want to shut down people 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.200 like Kyle and Jackie Oh, despite the fact that there 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.160 are two million people each and every day who listen 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.240 to them. This is the sickly slope of someone's judgment 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.280 about who can and can't play for obvious reasons. If 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.720 you to fame someone, if you tell an obvious and 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:43.080 provable lie, then there's consequences. If somebody simply disagrees with 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.680 you or presents our whole collection of information that yes, 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.040 confronts your argument, but if your argument is based in 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.320 something that you can prove to be the data that 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.639 you chose to form your opinion about. To me, I 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.840 don't want the government involved in this whatsoever. We'll see 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.720 what happens in the next couple of days. Now, state 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.880 premiers around the country well as porketting I think once said, 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.680 don't get between them and a bucket of money. Well, 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.880 the bucket of money that exists for the state premiers, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.560 local government and the federal government is extraordinary. According to 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.359 Bureau of Statistics, in the financial year of twenty twenty 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.800 two to twenty three, the total amount of revenue that 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.280 came to all three levels of government in Australia in 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:29.120 one year was three quarters of a trillion dollars seven 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:34.120 hundred and fifty five point eight b four billion dollars. Yet, 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.639 despite the fact that they all collected in three quarters 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:43.000 of one t four trillion dollars in one year, state 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.919 governments in particular have run things like our health system 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.959 right into the ground now. They make announcements every election 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.760 where they say ten percent more of this, and one 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.760 thousand and more that and fifty five more this than that. 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.840 But the reality of the health system as it exists 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.800 right now and certainly administered by mostly labor governments around 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.840 the country, but it's liberal governments too. Hospital ramping is 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.959 a disgrace. Could somebody tell me how if state federal 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.440 local governments get three quarters of a tee for trillion dollars? 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:19.399 How in almost every state hospital ramping is the worst 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.359 it's ever been, ever been. Hospital ramping, of course, is 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.240 when you call Triple O, you get into the ambulance, 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:28.080 the ambulance takes to the hospital, there's no pardon me, 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:32.080 there's no space in the hospital, which means if you 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.640 call Triple O you mightn't get an ambulance. In places 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.560 like Victoria, we know that when people haven't been able 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.680 to access the Triple O system, thirty three people died, 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:45.920 but the government got re elected because they lighty about 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:49.600 how great the system is. You know, we've shown you 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.920 how many stories about people when it comes to hospitals. 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.320 That's just one example of what I think is a 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.959 gaping hole between what comes in and the results that 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:00.000 come out. But specifically, I also want to talk about 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.920 hospitals here. This was a story that was on seven 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.400 News a couple of days ago in Sydney. It's been 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.280 reheated by the Daily Mail and it is in and 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.400 around the Bankstown Hospital. This was on one of those 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.840 days when there weren't enough beds, which meant there was 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.240 hospital ramping, and when people turned up at the emergency 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.480 room there were so few beds that people were lying 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:25.359 on the floor in pain. Have a look at this 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:29.560 image and tell me are we doing something wrong? If 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.560 the federal state and local governments get three quarters of 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:37.760 a trillion dollars in one year. But this is what 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:40.560 your fellow Australian may well be met with if they 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:43.520 end up turning to a hospital in pain. It's a 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:47.640 disgrace and you should put maximum pressure on anyone currently 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:51.879 involved in the administration of these hospital systems because they 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:54.800 are failing. Which brings me to Queensland and yet another 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.720