WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 19 August 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:05.320 Late general, welcome, late. 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:09.719 Pays well, good evening, It's great to have your company. 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.400 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Stauer and Joe Hildebrand coming up. 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.760 A Gold Coast fisherman not unconscious. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.400 By a whale. We'll get to that a bit later. Plus, 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.800 when we look at the papers, record numbers of Queensland 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:27.680 students being homeschooled and household plastics are a much greater 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.840 health risk than anyone ever imagined, according to a new study. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.199 We'll get to all of that in a moment, but first, new. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.159 ABC boss Kim Williams has been telling anyone who will 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:42.400 listen that the national broadcaster desperately needs more funding. After all, 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.680 presenting left wing ideology twenty four to seven doesn't come cheak. 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.199 Not even one point one billion dollars. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.800 A year is enough to cover it. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.560 So it might surprise you then to learn that your 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.240 cash strapped ABC spend one hundred and thirty five thousand 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:01.480 dollars of your money sending its Adelaide radioduo to cover 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.080 the Olympic Games. Not that they went to any sporting events. 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.720 They didn't go to any stadiums. Instead, they covered the 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.400 atmosphere in Paris, and what the ABC advertised as the 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.760 pair's extraordinary French adventure could work if you can get it, 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.840 even better work if the taxpayer is footing the bill. 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.039 Liberal Senator Alex Antik. 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.360 Speaking for most of us I think, told The Australian 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.560 it was staggering that the ABC thinks that spending one 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.520 hundred and thirty five grand to send two breakfast radio 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.440 hosts and two staff to Paris for the Olympic Games 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.520 represents value for money for the Australian taxpayer, all at 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.399 a time when Australians face a cost of living crisis, 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.920 multiple interest rate rises and some of the highest prices. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.839 We've seen in a generation. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.320 It does beg the question, how can you claim to 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.040 be underfunded when you're putting on, you know, perks and 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:53.920 jaunts like this. 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:57.080 Well, this isn't unusual for the ABC. I was actually 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:01.480 surprised to learn that they'd only sent four, yes, twenty, 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.160 The major network sent like over two hundred. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:05.920 Oh this is just from Adelaide though, This is just 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:07.880 from the Adelie breakface from Adelaide. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.920 But also when you do the math, is thirty three thousand, 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.239 thirty three thousand per head for four people for two 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.560 weeks of the Games. Is that really that extortionate? 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.960 Once you put in like flights a. 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.520 Comedy there, like I could, yeah, exactly, I could get 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:27.960 a really cheap flight to Antarctica and do a Noodi 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:29.079 run around the South Ball. 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.480 But that doesn't explain what I'm doing. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:37.680 Pressing question, especially given they announced in early July that 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:42.519 they had this ubute sub licensing deal with nine whereby 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:46.639 ABC Radio where the regional rural remote you name it 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:51.000 could use nine's broadcast. So it does beg the question 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.440 why did you send anyone. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.720 Well for color and light and shade. I mean they 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.520 were drinking water from the river and period the trump 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.320 with a. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:07.399 Three of with aqua vita and look, I am never 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.680 going to get between a journal and a junket, right, 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:11.320 They're in there. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.560 In lives or a perilous risk to your life. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.200 Right, I've been on overseas jungles everything and blah blah 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:16.920 blah blah blah. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.120 But the difference is that this is. 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:23.440 Paid for by the tax payer and other broadcasts. Obviously, 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.920 the host broadcasters spend millions and millions of dollars just 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.040 to get the rights, millions and millions of dollars to 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.959 send all their top stars and crew and everything over 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:31.560 there to. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:32.440 Do all that stuff. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.080 But they do that because they get a return on investment, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.840 because if they do that right, then they get bigger ratings, 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.280 which means they get more AD revenue, which means that 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.440 they can pay those people and pays for itself, and. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.680 This investment in that company. ABC does not have that motivation. 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.720 In fact, the ABC's whole motivation, even though they constantly 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.920 worry about ratings as a sort of sense of pride, 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.839 and I can completely understand that as well. But their 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.480 job is not to get big ratings, because the reason 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.160 you want big ratings is so you can get big 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.320 AD money. Their job is to do the stuff that 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.120 doesn't rate or that it doesn't attract AD revenue, so 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.200 that Australians don't miss out, like you know, Weekend Arts 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:10.400 or Radio National or. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:10.720 Whatever it is. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.080 But you know what I mean, Like, so they have 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.000 to be relevant to Australians, So they've got to show 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.280 that Australians are listening to them and engaging with their products. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.880 But the reason the raison debtra to use a French 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:25.480 term for any other commercial organization sending people to Paris, 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.480 which is rock solid simply does not exist at the ABC. 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:31.120 It is a dead parrot. 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.680 But had the ABC not sent this peer, we would 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.280 have missed out on magical moments like where they got 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:40.000 French people to say Ozzie assisi oi, or where they 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:40.479 stood out the. 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.840 Fore Oh well that right, Yeah, that's worth one hundred 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:43.440 and thirty five. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.920 What comes to mind when I say Australia and the 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:48.160 replies were amazing. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.919 You'd never kangaroos, koalas, stuff. 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.120 Like that, so we would have missed all of that 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.560 breaking spent this money so wisely ground breaking. 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.120 I noticed that the ABC has yet to comment on 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.200 this story, just kind of like, yeah, well that's another 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:02.960 thing to say. 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.320 Really they need to comment on this story because it's 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.360 actually our money, so we and through alex Antick have 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.400 every right to ask what the heck? 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.960 But they're not any other way anyway. 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.840 I mean, if they continually get bashed, their ratings are dropping. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.040 Everyone knows this. They're in dice. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.799 Except in Adelaide. Adelaide they're the highest rating. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.440 They are the highest rating metro AC. 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.799 Which is why obviously they were the chosen ones, because 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.560 they're they're the most like let's send a. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.560 Breaktas they're no onhere as good as pinbo I can 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:35.799 promise you that quick word. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.320 In defense of these two radio hosts. 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.080 I mean it's not's not their fault opportunity of course 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:40.679 you say. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.320 Yeah, I'm pretty sure I know Jewels. I think he's 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:43.560 the top. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:45.880 And again, if someone was going to say we're sending 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.040 you to Paris for the Olympic, yep, thank you very much. Absolutely, 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:50.840 I'm not going to actually is this an appropriate use 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.440 of tax paper? No, take the money and run. And 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.760 if you want to send me, I'm available. I'll also 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.160 do the US ambassador's dinner party if you want me to, 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:02.520 you know, like, but still don't playing issue the ABC 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:04.680 has made that it's not there for God though they're 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.919 made out like bandits, they're just a laughing, literally laughing 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:10.520 all the way to the banks of the Seine. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:12.480 No good on them. 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.760 And again I've never criticized a journal for taking a junker. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.160 Taken plenty of myself, and I'm available for others. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:19.600 Very good. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.400 Well, let's go to council madness, because there's so many 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.760 crazy things happening in councils around the country. Will start 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.360 in Queensland. You've heard the old adage, sure dog is 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.080 a band's best friend. Well I tell you who's not, 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.360 and that's the Redland City Council. They've just threatened dog 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:38.560 owners with fines of two thousand, seven hundred dollars if 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.840 you're caught with your dog not on its leash. That's 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:46.000 a one hundred and fifty percent increase on the previous amount. Now, 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.200 just to put this in perspective, Liz and Joe, twenty 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.279 seven hundred dollars if you're caught walking your dog without 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.680 its leash. If you're caught doing one hundred kilometers in 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.840 a sixty zone, it's a one six hundred and fifty 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.960 three dollar fine. If you're caught drink driving, it's less 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.119 than if you're caught with your dog off its leash. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.960 So that's how crazy these fines are. And what makes 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.760 it even crazier is that in the Redlands Shire, the 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.320 area where you can let the dog off its leash, 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.680 it's not fenced. There's a couple of signs showing vaguely 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:22.440 where the area is, and so local resident Margaret Hardy, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.960 she said officers were issuing fines to dog owners for 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.160 allowing their dogs to walk from the unfenced dog park 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.560 to the car without being on a lead, which was 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.200 really just a matter of meters. There are three or 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.600 four signs, she said, with a map within the grass 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.840 area and at each end, but the rest is a 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:44.200 guestimation because there's no fence around the dog area. 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.080 But here's my big idea, joe I reckon. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.120 It's a great thing that in Queensland, if your dog 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.720 does the wrong thing, you, as the owner, you get 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.200 fined twenty seven hundred dollars. 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.840 What if they did that for the parents of juvenile criminals. 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:00.960 That's right, that's a fantastic idea. This makes my blood boil. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.120 This is so insane. This is Karen Baiting right. 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.440 This is basically saying, if you are a miserable, nasty 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.280 life hating dog, hating child, hating old way with nothing 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.520 better to do, you can just spend your days just 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.640 looking for people as dogs are off the leash. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:16.720 This does my head in. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.600 Everyone knows that in every single community there are areas 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.120 where the dogs run free. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.000 Everyone's cool with it. Half the time. No one I 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.520 know in the parks in my area. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.280 Half the time, no one knows whether it's whether it's 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:31.720 meant to be an on leach or off leag Era 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.640 or night. We've got a public golf course near our 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.120 house that was recently saved from the Greens who were 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.080 trying to turn it into some I don't know, talking 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.079 yarning circle or something, I don't know, whatever it was, 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.680 and you know, and everyone just runs their dogs up 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.160 and down it. I don't know if they're meant to 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:47.520 be on a leash. I don't know if they're meant 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.200 to be driving a golf bait. I don't know if 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.079 they're meant to shout for if they're coming, you know, 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.520 but everyone does it because the community just knows. And 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.400 then the council comes in and councils always bow to 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:03.880 the will of the most unreasonable, intolerant, nasty snitch in 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:04.640 the community. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.360 And that's exactly what this has done. It is Karen Baiting. 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.400 It is saying, you know what, we are going to 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:14.199 take the most miserable, anti social, misanthropic person in the 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.080 community and apply their standards to everybody else. And it's 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:21.520 outrageous and not just misanthropic, miss dogthropic. 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.599 Well, speaking of councils taking on the feedback of in 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.800 this case, two people, Let's go to Sydney where Clover 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.600 Moore has decided that a very popular pub in Wilhelmloo 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.680 can no longer serve people dinner outside after eight pm. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:40.560 Why. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:44.720 Apparently there were a few kegs discovered on the sidewalk 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:48.200 which was blocking pedestrians the last time the council popped 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:52.640 in and get this, two people, just two people from 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.640 the community had complained and said, we don't want these 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.360 people outside anymore. They're dining, they're drinking, they're having a 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.480 great time, and I'm miserable, so I want them to 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:08.319 be miserable too. This woman's name is Belinda Olsen. She 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.640 was one of the two public submissions that got a 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.679 counsel to be like, oh, yes, we must action this immediately. 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:17.480 Here's what she had to say for herself. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.439 There is way too much space given to them already, 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.880 and I object to them receiving anymore faith. They are 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.560 not being accountable for the area now and they need 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.480 to respect residents and pedestrians, not to mention the noise 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:36.079 generated from that many people standing and sitting around outside. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.840 As they get louder, as they get drunk. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:43.240 Car Belinda, you sound like you need a cold one lady. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.880 I mean, how miserable do you have to be? And 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.400 yet she would be so toughed right now because what 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:53.520 does Sydney Council decide to do lay the SmackDown on 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:57.280 the pub. It's called the Old Fits. Many Sydney siders 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:02.640 would be very familiar with it. Here's James Thorpe, who 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:04.360 owns the Old Fits. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.520 He says, it's pretty unbelievable. 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.360 We accept that neighborhood amenity is really important, but we 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:14.360 have a perfect compliance history. That we're having to close 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.199 the most popular area of the pub just as dinner 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.880 service is starting is not right when we've traded out. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:27.079 There for eighteen years until ten p m. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.080 I can understand if the council had received like one 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.520 hundred complaints, and then you've got to assume that for 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.280 everyone who's taken the time to complain, there's a pile 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.680 of others who've taken exception to it but sucked it up, 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.760 and you go, oh, well, we've got to do something. 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.959 But two complaints, they got two submissions and now the 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:46.760 SmackDown gets placed. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:47.120 In the Old Fit. 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.679 It is absolutely insane. I'm going to it might be 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.640 even the one thing I love more than dogs is alcohol. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.960 So I'm going to get even more upset about this way. Okay, 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:56.200 this is a letter. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.719 This is This is a tiny, little local pub. It 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.160 is the most awesome job. I've been their heaps of times. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:02.920 It was the local of a maid of mine who, 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.400 trigger warning, used to take his dog there occasionally, I 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:08.720 believe unleashed. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:09.880 I'll have to I'll have to go. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.720 Back and check my nose, my next for my next 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.280 council report. But I believe that, you know from time 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.200 to time, and it's just one of those beautiful little 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.440 community pubs. It's not a sort of joint where you've 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:24.679 got you know, giant you know, beer swilling, meth head bikis. 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:25.880 Stabbing each other with pool cubes. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.360 There's a little community theater there, or at least it 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:29.520 was last time I checked. 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.440 I don't go to I don't leave the house anymore. 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.480 But there used to be a beautiful little community theater there. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.000 So they put on little plays. So you go and 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.320 have your dinner and then you go have a thing, 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.040 and it's still there. It is. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.120 It's a little sort of it's the most inoffensive place 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:47.200 in the world, blocking pedestriins. No one's walking past there, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.000 except to go to the pub. It's basically the only 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.600 thing you go there. There's a big housing commissioner state. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.080 On the other side, it's lots of colorful local identities. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.000 I'm sure that they've got bigger problems than the ones 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.240 that Belinda outlined. And it's also at the sort of 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.880 just adjacent to sort of down the hill from almost 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.120 down the cliff from a little a little locality in city, 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.600 not officially a suburb industrum. That's a little fun fact. 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.679 Not a suburb, but a locality. Doesn't have its own 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.200 post guy, but he's a locality. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.559 You might have heard of it. It's called King's Cross. 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:20.440 Cross at what Cage Cross gets loud at night? 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.120 No, you have to stop your dinner service. You're out 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.160 of disservice at eight pm. There's no early bird special. 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.040 That's not that's not the that's not the west ryde 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:36.720 RSLAN and. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.080 The new South Wales government Chris Means he's been trying 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:44.200 to encourage while attainment venues. Clover More has been boasting 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.360 about how they've removed red tape to encourage entertainment and 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:48.160 dining venues. 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.880 This establishment apparently. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.079 Has got an eighteen year history of perfect compliance with 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:55.440 council regulations. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.720 They get a couple of complaints and all of a sudden, 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:58.719 the council. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.280 Are They enforce the rules rigorously without any grace or 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.800 mercy at all. Let's stick with councils because it just 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.560 keeps going. In New South Wales, the Cumberland City Council 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.720 in Western Sydney, well, doesn't matter that sixty four percent 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.480 I think it was. It was certainly two thirds of 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.000 people in that shire voted no to the Voice at 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.320 the referendum last October. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:20.600 No. 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.720 No, they're going to push ahead with their own local treaty. 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.880 They're calling it partnership, but it's really a treaty with 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:31.920 three indigenous groups. Now, this treaty, apart from acknowledging that 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.120 the land in the shire, was never ceded and I 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.600 guess if the council really believed that they would give 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.720 back City Hall and their own homes and properties. 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.120 But it's just virtue signaling. 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.880 But they've decided that these three indigenous groups will be 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:52.000 consulted on every new development, every planning application and even 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.520 on the naming of streets from now on. Once they 0:14:55.680 --> 0:15:01.080 pass this partnership, councilor Steve Christu was on two GB 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.400 talking about the incredible red tape that will be put 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.280 around developments if this goes ahead. 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.440 That is very very concerning because it will just stop 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.600 any development or any sort of progress occurring in Cumberland. 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:16.800 And imagine all the red tape that's going to be 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.280 created when you have to consult on every lamp purchase 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.720 or every negotiation or deal that council wants to implement. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.440 It's just not on It's horrendous for the local community. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.240 Now, the good news is the state government can override this, 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.080 but Joe, the bad news is it's a labor state government. 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.960 It is, but the labor mayor of Cumberland is pretty sensible. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.640 I've only met her at once, but she seemed pretty 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.960 sensible and they've had sort of issues dancing around kind 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.080 of you know, are they too versus Steve christ who's 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.440 a former mayor and is very obviously, as you can say, 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.760 straight down the line, good old fashioned family values, no nonsense, 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.680 no bs, that sort of thing, and he's an impressive 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.200 figure as well. But I think it will be interesting 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:04.080 to see just what form this takes. I can't imagine. Firstly, 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.920 the state labor government wants to do one thing and 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.960 one thing only above absolutely anything else. And it showed 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:12.760 it in its last date budget where it put billions 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.600 towards it, and has showed it in every single thing 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.880 that's said. Front and center wants more housing, wants more housing, 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:22.400 and anything that stops counsels from approving more housing. They 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.160 come in and they whack them like a ton of bricks. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.800 They hate Nimbi's, they hate the people, the councils who 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.040 aren't approving it. They've gone after them before, they'll go 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.720 after them again. They've just announced gott an eight billion 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.040 or something for public housing, a huge amount of money. 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.040 So if any of this, if. 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.680 Any of these so called consultations or partnerships slow down 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:46.400 the development application process and slow down the rate of 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.560 speed at which housing can be approved, I promise you 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:51.920 the government will come down on them like a ton 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.720 of bricks. The good news is the mayor and this 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.280 is not like a sort of a bulla recounts l 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.840 or one of those kind of lefty why tearly kind 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.320 of lefty councils. This is real sort of Sydney heartland, 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:08.680 Western Sydney mticulture. The labor mayor from the right of 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.360 the party, as is obviously Chris Mins, who's been saying 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.680 all the right things about ending red tape and that 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.040 sort of stuff, including the previous story. So I think 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.159 I hold out some hope that this is just a 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.399 kind of thing to say acknowledge. Yeah, maybe we'll have 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.560 some Indigenous names on the new streets that we build, 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.560 Maybe there will be Indigenous spaces. If there's a park, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.680 there'll be a yarning circle or some sort of note 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.679 to the indigenous history. But if it slows up housing 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.399 and development, it will be crashed. 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.320 Even if if doesn't affect red tape. 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.880 Liz, what right does a local council who are meant 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.320 to be filling in potholes, making sure parks are freshly mode? 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.760 What right do they have to enter into treaties on 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.920 who owns the land with anybody. 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.440 And it's a big, big middle finger to the people 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.720 who voted them. Then you are supposed to be representing 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:00.560 your constituency. Two hundred and forty thousand people live in 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:05.840 Cumberland Council. Only fourteen hundred and fifty of them are Indigenous, 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:11.240 So to preference such a small percentage of the population, 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.199 it begs the question if they pass such a thing. 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.040 Who's really running the council? Why do we affect you 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.359 guys to be on counsel and to sit as counselors 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.160 if you're just going to sign a treaty that makes 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.280 everyone co manage it? 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.080 Not actually those three. 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.639 Land I'm saying, it's not actually a treaty at all. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:31.480 It's a step christ who was saying this is effectively 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.840 a treaty that will be the same thing as Yeah, that's. 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.359 Just essentially you're saying, there's us and there's you, and 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.760 we are two completely distinct, separate groups. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.000 Let's have a partnership, they're calling it. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.840 Let's have a macarata exactly coming together everything but name. 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:46.520 But I think. 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.240 We're on a council website, right and you know the mayor, 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:51.960 so I take your word for it. But you read 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.600 the bios of all the counselors and these words stand 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:57.800 out continually in the bios, and the buyers are only 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.879 one or two sentences, but diverse city inclusion. I'm here 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:05.680 to stand for social justice. Social inclusion reconst nothing to 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.240 do with being a counselor, No. 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.160 Not at all. So you can see this that's always 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:11.040 going to go this way. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.280 When you elect people who see their role as being 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.680 on council to bring social justice. 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:18.879 But every other count and I agree that that's all 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.000 just a bunch of wankery that sort of means nothing 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:22.840 in it of itself. But you'll see that all sort 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.800 of counselors have that sort of stuff. They will have 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.439 all organizations will say we respect our Earth, inclusion bab bah, 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.040 all those signs everywhere racist, red flag, do not vote. 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:36.360 That's pretty annoying obviously. Obviously those sorts of words pronouns 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.639