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Speaker 1: Good I groovers, welcome to another installment of View Project.

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Speaker 1: Oh good a tiff, Hello Harps, how are you ill? Look?

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, I'm so excited because the government,

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Speaker 1: just the state government just announced that we're sliding into

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Speaker 1: lockdown for seven days starting tonight, which is ten hours

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Speaker 1: from now. It's just gone two o'clock in the thriving

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Speaker 1: metropolis of Melbourne. And if there's one thing I love,

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Speaker 1: it's not being able to go to the gym for

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Speaker 1: seven days.

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Speaker 2: Fuck.

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Speaker 3: I thought the only change for you. I thought the

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Speaker 3: only change would be that you have to take your

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Speaker 3: coffee home now and not sit at the Hampton's with it.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. Don't tell people where I have coffee.

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Speaker 3: Seven am every morning, same seat, same seat.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that on the right ah, your shitouse.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: The best thing about that is I haven't even had

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Speaker 3: coffee with you there, but I know that's where you

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Speaker 3: sit because you pretty.

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Speaker 1: That is where I sit, because I like the best

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Speaker 1: manage point. And if a bad guy's coming in, I

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Speaker 1: need to sit where I can see everything the layer

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Speaker 1: of the land. I need to make sure that I'm

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Speaker 1: in a position where I can defend myself. It's all

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Speaker 1: about that and you never ever have you back to

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Speaker 1: the front door TIF. Just in case you didn't know.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of needing to defend yourself, you might today tell

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Speaker 3: you what.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad Steve is wearing a long sleeve top and

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Speaker 1: a puffer jacket because I feel if he was in

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Speaker 1: a singlet I'd be even more insecure than I currently am,

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Speaker 1: which is significant. Good day, mate, How are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I'm wonderful. How are you both? It's so wonderful

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Speaker 2: to sit here and just listen to some bands.

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Speaker 1: That's what we do. We've both got a PhD In

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Speaker 1: talking shit, so we don't like to take ourselves too seriously.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of I think there's enough

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Speaker 1: seriousness going around. We need to intersperse it with a

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Speaker 1: bit of bullshit. Mate. At times, we'll get to the

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Speaker 1: serious stuff, but we don't want to get there too quickly.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, where do we find you today? Now?

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Speaker 1: I know that you're sitting in a gym slash training

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Speaker 1: area slash garage. Looks like the best equipped bloody garage

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Speaker 1: gym in the world. What state are you in? And

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Speaker 1: I don't mean drunk course.

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Speaker 2: Over, I'm in New South Wales. So in the Hills

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Speaker 2: area just outside Sydney.

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Speaker 1: How long you been there?

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Speaker 2: A year and a half. I was living closer into

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Speaker 2: the city and had a few personal changes and found

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Speaker 2: myself out this way.

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Speaker 1: And how like is it rural?

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Speaker 2: It is? Actually it's going through a massive development, Like

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Speaker 2: Sydney is just houses on top of houses. So where

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Speaker 2: I currently sit actually, you know, not so many years

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Speaker 2: ago it was all farmland, right, and just the rate

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Speaker 2: in which there they're putting buildings on it, houses, train stations,

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Speaker 1: What are you doing these days?

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Speaker 2: What am I doing on outdoors? Down to a kind

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Speaker 2: of grassroots training? I guess a lot of you know

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Speaker 2: what it is that that I did for many years

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Speaker 2: in the military, that GPP type training general physical preparedness,

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Speaker 2: but implementing I guess a bit more structure in the

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Speaker 2: in the programming. So each morning we load up the

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Speaker 2: full drive with a lot of the stuff in the

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Speaker 2: gym here or in the garage and go and conduct

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Speaker 2: it in a park, in a car park, you know,

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Speaker 2: at a number of different locations, and we run five

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Speaker 2: or so sessions today, five to seven sessions today seven days.

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Speaker 1: Awak. Wow, do you have a team or is it

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Speaker 1: just you or what's the deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a small team of us and just

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Speaker 2: working at the moment on kind of growing that. And

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Speaker 2: essentially it was born out of necessity. COVID kind of

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Speaker 2: funny talking about that before, and you know, we all

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Speaker 2: went through the depths of it last year. All of

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Speaker 2: the work that I was doing, which was very profile

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Speaker 2: based and a lot of corporate work and being in

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Speaker 2: front of large groups and kind of that showcase kind

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Speaker 2: a lot of that was just due to travel and

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Speaker 2: marketing budgets and the like, just evaporating. And I found

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Speaker 2: this is pretty shit. And when they lifted the restrictions

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Speaker 2: and we could start training some people again, you know,

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Speaker 2: small groups, I was like, mate, I got some dumbbells

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Speaker 2: doing it. And we'd have ninety to one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty people through the doors on a Saturday and Sunday,

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Speaker 2: and then people just wanted more of it, so we

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Speaker 2: just started adding days to the point now where we

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Speaker 2: deliver training every day.

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Speaker 1: How many people do you get to a typical group?

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Speaker 1: I know, that's like how long's a been a string

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Speaker 1: because it varies, but Bullpark Bullpark.

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Speaker 2: Ballpark is we'd say fifteen. Yeah, you know, that number

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Speaker 2: will definitely fluctuate, but especially now as it's starting to

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Speaker 2: get a bit cooler as well. You know, people get

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Speaker 2: and the cooler weather and having to put too many

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Speaker 2: layers on. But it's yeah, I love it. It's something

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Speaker 2: I guess I've done my entire life kind of be

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Speaker 2: strategize around how you best work with nature rather than

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Speaker 2: you know, the sterile, kind of fabricated indoor environments. And

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot to be learned from that

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Speaker 1: I mean, everyone who listens to me knows that I'm

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Speaker 1: a massive fan of stepping into discomfort and the benefits

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Speaker 1: and value and growth and learning and evolution that happens

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Speaker 1: in the middle of suffering and pain and discomfort, and

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Speaker 1: I'm in strategic discomfort, not silly destructive. But it's funny

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Speaker 1: how how many people want to work out, but they

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Speaker 1: want to be comfortable. Like the whole point of working out,

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Speaker 1: the whole fucking point of working out. I reckon creative, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and a physiological sorry dude, to create a physiological response

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Speaker 1: to adapt, And it doesn't happen when you're fucking comfortable.

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Speaker 1: This is the point, oh mate.

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Speaker 2: We get in our air conditioned cars or our heated

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Speaker 2: cars to drive to an environment that's that's constructed in

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Speaker 2: a way to in our mind deadlift and pr in

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Speaker 2: a way or run on a treadmill or do whatever

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Speaker 2: It just perplexes me. But do you know what a

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Speaker 2: lot of it comes down to is education. It's it's

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Speaker 2: as much as you know, the industry, and you know,

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Speaker 2: with social media has grown to a particular point what

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Speaker 2: those people or you immerse yourself in, you know what

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Speaker 2: it is that they're doing. Mate, it's faffing around.

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Speaker 1: It's nonsense, yes, so much and so true. And the

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Speaker 1: thing is that you know the thing that the thing

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Speaker 1: that we the thing that we often void, which is

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Speaker 1: and discomfort and inconvenience and all that shit. That is

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Speaker 1: literally the stuff that makes us better. And I used

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Speaker 1: to back in the day when you were fucking stix,

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Speaker 1: I used to do when I started my PT right,

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Speaker 1: I had a smallish PT studio. It was the only

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Speaker 1: I had about five or six trainers working with me

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Speaker 1: But we used to do some groups. But we couldn't

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Speaker 1: I used to do a Saturday morning group and it

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Speaker 1: other ladies went as can we join the group? I went,

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Speaker 1: the ladies went, well, we don't mind. So then it

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Speaker 1: do every Saturday four years between. This is no bullshit,

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Speaker 1: between thirty and one hundred people in this group. My

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Speaker 1: new people would come, they would say, oh, what happens

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Speaker 1: when it's raining, and I'd say ask the group, and

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Speaker 1: the group would go, we fucking train and your waterproof right,

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Speaker 1: because that was my answer, your waterproof, we train you earlier. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm like dude, But you know, here's the funny thing.

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Speaker 1: I ran programs for years and I have zero military

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Speaker 1: credibility or background. I'm just a fucking nuffy. But my

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Speaker 1: program was called Commando training and before boot camps were things,

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Speaker 1: and so I would train. The biggest group I trained

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Speaker 1: Royal Children's Hospital appealed down here in Melbourne, and I

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Speaker 1: did one hundred and thirty five people on the beach

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Speaker 1: just fucking awesome. But the thing is when you've got

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Speaker 1: they're ass crackers full of sand and it's fucking shit house.

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Speaker 1: But it's joyful, you know, And people have this such

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like it reinforces, you know, a belief within

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Speaker 2: whereas there's so much false confidence getting around nowadays. It's yeah,

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Speaker 2: it involves a hand, a phone in your hand half

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Speaker 2: the time, but it's the vibe as well. And that's

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Speaker 2: that's something that I've been working hard on lately, is

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Speaker 2: just trying to i guess, reiterate, you know, like initiate

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Speaker 2: It's just showing up and getting started, like the uncomfortableness

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Speaker 2: of it. But once once you get past that, like

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Speaker 1: It's addictive, right, yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: And you know, and one thing that I've really i

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Speaker 2: enjoy is again those small so you've got the larger

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Speaker 2: group but breaking down into smaller teams. And I guess

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Speaker 2: that's the beauty of technology and the type of equipment

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Speaker 2: can have a team going for max distance on something

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Speaker 2: like that, and as they come off a piece of equipment,

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Speaker 2: they've got a few other exercises to do and it's

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Speaker 2: team first, team who can cover the most distance in

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Speaker 2: forty five minutes or something like that, And you know

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Speaker 2: they're going after it, not just for themselves, but you know,

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Speaker 2: for the collective group. But that little bit of competition

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Speaker 2: really helps to raise the bar and encourage people to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. And when you get you know,

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Speaker 1: when you work when you're hurt, you know, working when

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Speaker 1: you're hurting, you know, you become a different person, Like

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Speaker 1: your mind changes, your threshold, changes, your perspective, you're thinking,

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Speaker 2: at six am and ran for twenty four hours on

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Speaker 2: his own around the streets of his home with no support,

435
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: no one there cheering him. On seven k's every hour

436
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 2: on the hour, you know, justice and so that's on

437
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: rounde hundred and sixty k's. But just and he goes, mate,

438
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: I was falling asleep on my feet, the hallucinations I

439
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: was having, like it was just he said it was

440
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: a trip, just some of the stuff that was happening

441
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: to him. And you know, it's one thing to be

442
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: in an in an event where you know you're competing

443
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: against other people. And as we were saying earlier, dig

444
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: a little deeper you find that that that next year,

445
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: that that extra mile. But I don't know what makes

446
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 2: that bloke tick. And you know, he's my brother, and

447
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: he just it blows me away what he what he achieves.

448
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: And he's got this big ass bid like Forrest Gump

449
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: and long hair.

450
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: It's just what's his first name, what's his first name.

451
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: Andrew, But he goes by Drew Willis or he's better

452
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: known as the garment man.

453
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: Shout out to Drew.

454
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if anyone's in that type of stuff, he's the

455
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: most softly spoken, barely says anything kind of guy. But

456
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: you wouldn't put yourself up against him and that type

457
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: of stuff, you know. And he's not a small guy.

458
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: He's an eighty five kilo guy and he plays six

459
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: in that event. He had to pull out because he

460
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: had to work at Camping Caravan Canning Caravan Expo on Monday.

461
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: That's buddy.

462
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. There's amazing people out there who don't

463
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: do it for the accolades of anybody else. They just

464
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: do it to test themselves.

465
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: And it's amazing what people discover about themselves when they

466
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: really really genuinely have a crack or when you know

467
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: what else is amazing. And I've spoken about this abnauseum

468
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: on this show. Is like when when shit goes sideways

469
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: in someone's life and there's a catastrophe or there's something

470
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: fucking terrible that happens, how adaptable and capable and amazing

471
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: people can be in the middle of a catastrophe or

472
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: after a catastrophe in terms of you know, what they

473
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: can do if they have to do it?

474
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, we rise to the occasion, and I think again,

475
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: a lot of the language and how how we view

476
00:26:53,840 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: ourselves in this current era of humanity, it's undermining. Yeah,

477
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: like because as you just said, you know, like yeah,

478
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: like some of the events that like look in christ

479
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: Church when I had those those earthquakes a few years ago,

480
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: and how quickly they all pulled together and got themselves

481
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: through what was happening. You know, and time and time again,

482
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: when nature just gives a swift kick in the ass,

483
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: you know, we band together and we find a solution.

484
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: We come up with ways to get through it. You know,

485
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: look at COVID, even not so long ago, you know,

486
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: half an hour down the road from us here, and

487
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: we had the floods. You know, the water water levels

488
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: raised by twelve meters. Fuck like that's you know, people's

489
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: homes got washed away, and you know, and just before

490
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: COVID we had the fires. You know, people are still

491
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: dealing with the consequences and the aftermath of all of that,

492
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: you know, with everything else that's gone on.

493
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: Wow, So I want to jump around a little bit. Yeah,

494
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going to. I don't not if this sounds bad,

495
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: I hate I don't you you'd probably be happy I'm

496
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: not that interested in the biggest loser, but people will

497
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: want me to ask a fucking question or two. He

498
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: didn't ask him about the biggest loser. Tell me one

499
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: good thing and one thing that kind of not so

500
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: good thing, whatever it is out of the biggest loser,

501
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 1: or maybe there's no bad things, but something you enjoyed

502
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: and something that you look back and go, I'm not

503
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: sure about that.

504
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: From where we are nowadays, in our understanding around you know,

505
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: obesity and weight issues and the like, we know it's

506
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: a lot of it's mental health. Yeah, it's the perception

507
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: of self and use food and whatever else is it

508
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: means to soothe and to cope. Yeah, we didn't know

509
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: about all that well, you know five years ago, ten

510
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: years ago, and it was all very people were like

511
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: that because they lacked you know, whatever it might have been,

512
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: and they were full of excuses and they were just lazy.

513
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: You know, everything was based in laziness, and they're pathetic

514
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: and apathet and all of this stuff and which you

515
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: know isn't isn't so true? Like, there's a lot of

516
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: trauma that happens for people at very early ages. And

517
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: again it's education, it's it's understanding. And when the framework

518
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: and the foundation isn't set when they're young, they don't

519
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: know any different, and then they find themselves on a

520
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: television show because they put their hand up and said

521
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: I need to turn my life around, and they ended

522
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: up on my team especially. I felt sorry for them

523
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: half the time, but I very much when I went

524
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: into it at the start, had this line, you're either

525
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: in or you're out. There's there's no middle ground, like

526
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: you know, you got to you got to live up

527
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: to the expectation. But that's how it was for me

528
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: for many years in the army and my job I

529
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: took very seriously. I loved it, and it was all

530
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: about building rapport and relationshi and ships because you wanted

531
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: people to define that that intrinsic drive to do it

532
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: for themselves, you know, not me just bark some orders

533
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: and pointed finger and when I turn my back they

534
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: go and screw you. I'm not doing this any longer.

535
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: Because those tools they then put into their little bag

536
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: when they leave the biggest lose and it's in the

537
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: rear vision mirror and they can implement them, you know,

538
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: into their lives moving forward, you know, forever and you

539
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: know some of the transformation stories and you know people

540
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: that have that have done amazing things this day, and

541
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: it helped them immensely. But then there's others that they

542
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: just they needed far more help than what the show

543
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: could deliver. And a lot of that was was coming

544
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: to terms with with things in their lives. That yeah,

545
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: a lot of the traumas and the upset that they

546
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: carried and those burdens and just how food and how

547
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: readily available it is, they just they can't deal with it.

548
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: I was banging on when I owned four gyms down here,

549
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: and I spent my life talking to people about the

550
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: psychology of eating and the psychology of getting in shape.

551
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: And even though my first degree is exercise science, so

552
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: i'm you know, I would you know, that's my area

553
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: of real expertise. But I figured out quite young that

554
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: getting in shape was whatever getting in shape means. That's

555
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: a very sweeping kind of blanket kind of description and statement.

556
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: But I realized that helping people change their body was

557
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: largely not about their body, and especially when it came

558
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: to food. You know, because we don't accidentally eat cake,

559
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: we don't accidentally eat three pies, we don't accidentally have

560
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: fucking five beers and go shit out it like this.

561
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: This is all choices and byproducts. And you're right, you know,

562
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: just saying to someone, hey, fucking eat less and jog

563
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: more and have more fucking self control. That's not the answer.

564
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: And I've written a bunch of books. But the first

565
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: book I wrote was nearly twenty years ago, mate, and interestingly,

566
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: to my knowledge anyway, when no one was talking about

567
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: the psychology of food and getting in shape, I wrote

568
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: a book terrible fucking name, but I think it was

569
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: a good conversation. The book's called Fatitude, which was basically

570
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: a book about the psychology behind the physiology. Yeah, and

571
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: it's almost like, the body's not the problem. The body

572
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: is the consequence. The body's the symptom. What's the problem

573
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: is between my ears and I'm the same, mate, like

574
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: i've my audience. No, I'm a fucking idiot with food,

575
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: like I've been. I was the fattest kid in my

576
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: school and it took me until I was probably mid thirties,

577
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: which was twenty years ago for me. And I owned

578
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: gyms and I was writing for the Herald Sun and

579
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: I was doing all this cool shit. But I still

580
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: had my own brullshit with food. And it took me

581
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: three and a half decades to be able to manage

582
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: my mind to manage my body. And I think people

583
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: really don't understand what a huge role managing our emotions

584
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: and our mind and choices and behaviors and you know,

585
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: thinking in general, what a huge role it plays, because

586
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: we're so obsessed with the body that we actually missed

587
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: the cause.

588
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: But that's but that's humanity in and of itself. We're

589
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: so fixated on the materialism and the form of everything,

590
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: we miss we miss everything else. Now, the Japanese have

591
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: a word for everything else, and it's called marm. It's

592
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: the space, the interval, or the gap between. And yeah,

593
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: as you said, so the physiology and how it presents

594
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: itself is exactly you know, what's going on, you know,

595
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: infernally andor it this morning when I took a group

596
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: for training, and as we were talking earlier, people banging

597
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: on about injuries and I can't do this and I

598
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 2: can't do that, and we're sitting down and I got

599
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: them to do like a simple like seated splits position

600
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: and to bend to one side to stretch out through

601
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: the ql and mate. People couldn't even sit on the

602
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 2: floor with their leaks like they had them sitting on

603
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: like a yoga mat or an exercise mat. Some people

604
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: could barely get their feet wider than the with the mat.

605
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: And they're so posteriorly or you know, the hip so

606
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 2: possibly rotated. They're going into this caiphotic position with the hip.

607
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 2: And then and then you know, you're asking them to lunch,

608
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: you're asking them to squat, you know, do all this

609
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: other stuff. They're so their reductors are so bound up

610
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: and tight, and then it's affecting all of that as

611
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: external rotators and up into their back. It's and again

612
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: it's it's what's going on in here here. It's what

613
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: they then deem and think is most important. And we

614
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: chase the form, we chase the output because humanity says, well,

615
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: anything that you want is found in intensity and going hard. Well,

616
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: you know we know that that to be true to

617
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: a degree, but you've got to be smart about how

618
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: you do it. You know, efficiency of movement, efficacy of movement,

619
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, and otherwise it's not trying to drive your

620
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: car with a bloody handbrake on, like you know, you're.

621
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: Just so trying to use fast and also on top

622
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: of that, like look at us three right now, where

623
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: the sit down generation, right, There's never been a generation

624
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: of fucking humans ever in the whole timeline of humanity

625
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: who sit as much as we do. So we're in

626
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: constant hip flexion, and quite often with this forward head position,

627
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: so our heads forward over our center of gravity, our

628
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: shoulders are forward and slumpy, like Tiff, who looks like

629
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: a fucking question mark over there, get your shoulders back

630
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: to boxing. And but yeah, so this forward shoulder position,

631
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: this Chai fatic back, this forward head position, you know,

632
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: this constant hip flesh. And so our hip flexes get tight,

633
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: our glutes get weak and stretched, and then we stand

634
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: up and just fucking standing up straight is a struggle

635
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: for some people. Yeah, but you know it's our lifestyle.

636
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like we're just hearing you say with Tiff,

637
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: and I guess the specificity of a given sport. With boxing,

638
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: it asks of you to hold your body in certain

639
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: positions and not be so square, you know, because you

640
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: to avoid being hit. It's easy to hit a freaking

641
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 2: big target. And I look back to my military time,

642
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm six two, you know, and you

643
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: know I'm a bigish guy, but what what was required

644
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: of us, you know, was with a lot of the

645
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: drills that we did, we had a weapon system. So

646
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: we're kind of in that position and wear crouchs all

647
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: the time. When I was leaving the army and I

648
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: was introduced a crossbit, you know, and they're talking about

649
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: overhead squats and snatch and all that stuff. Mate, I've

650
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: thought my shoulders were going to get torn off and

651
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: my wrists and like I'd try and front squat and

652
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: I'd almost cry because the pain that I'd get in

653
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 2: my risk is my shoulders were just frozen in this position.

654
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: And then my elbow extension from carrying a damn machine

655
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: gun for years, like bent like that, like it just

656
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: it's all that muscle memory again and then the calcification

657
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: in the joint. And but again, I've just never been

658
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 2: one to to allow others to define who I am.

659
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, doctors say, but don't do this,

660
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: and don't like men. You know, I'm human, I'm organic.

661
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm going to give it a damn red

662
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: hot go to, you know, to improve my mobility. And

663
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: you know, the things I can do now at near

664
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: on forty five that I wasn't capable of doing when

665
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 2: I was twenty five.

666
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you, dude. How long were you in

667
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: the military.

668
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: So I joined when I was eighteen and I left

669
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: just before I was thirty, So yeah, it was around

670
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 2: that ten year mart. Yeah. Yeah.

671
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: What was the best part.

672
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: The best part, Gosh, there was lots of it, but

673
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 2: it was the camaraderie. It was the matship and doing

674
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: hardship with your mates, Like doing some real scary, funky

675
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: like like almost out of body experience stuff. You know,

676
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: like sliding down the rope of a helicopter and a

677
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: high rise building, you know, where it's just you and

678
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 2: your hands holding one and you've got thirty kilos a year,

679
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: you know, just jumping out of aircraft with your boats

680
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: and landing you know way out in the ocean where

681
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: you can't even see land doing parachuting at night, sliding

682
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: down lift you know, steel cables twenty stories, you know,

683
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: just stuff, doing shooting, shooting in rooms you know where

684
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: you're standing close to targets, and the trust and that

685
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: you have in your teammates too, you know, engaging, you know,

686
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: friend from foe and hostage terrorist type situations. It's just,

687
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: you know, the level and degree of training. It's hard

688
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: to kind of articulate because most people's references to stuff

689
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: like that are movies.

690
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

691
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's guys that do this stuff day

692
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: and day out, and and and they've deployed those skills,

693
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: you know, for real, you know, in countries far away.

694
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's full on and that that you know,

695
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 4: what you do a lot of, whether or not that

696
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 4: set a lot, or carry a machine and a lot,

697
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 4: or eat donuts a lot or whatever. That behavior is

698
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: that you do a lot of, that becomes your default setting.

699
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 4: That becomes your programming, That becomes your whether or not

700
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 4: it's good or bad. That becomes your blueprint. I wanted

701
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: to ask you a little bit about like.

702
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I've only known you for forty five minutes.

703
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: We could have been brothers. I could have been your

704
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: older brother, I feel like to me, yeah, mate, Well,

705
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: the funny thing is I always have my head shaved.

706
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: I've had it shaved for thirty years and this is

707
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: the first time I've grown it in ever. Because people

708
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: thought I was bald. I'm like, no, motherfuckers, I just

709
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: shaved that shit. It grows like fucking bamboo up there.

710
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: So to me, you seem like a contrarian, And by

711
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: that I mean, and tell me how wrong or right

712
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: I am. Contrarian in that you like, you're full on

713
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: with what you do. You discipline, you're in control, You've

714
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: got your shit together. You you have pretty clearly defined

715
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: boundaries about who you are and what you're doing, what's

716
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: okay and what's not okay. And you you're obviously because

717
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: of your background with TV except you're comfortable doing this.

718
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: But to me, you don't seem like a natural extrovert.

719
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: You seem you seem more like an introvert that has

720
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: just been developed the skill to be able to do

721
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: this stuff. You're not an introvert shy like you seem

722
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: like to me a naturally more quiet, reserved, just get

723
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: shit done kind of person. And then beat my chest,

724
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: look at me.

725
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent, like I think, yeah, and upbringing

726
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: and just I think inherently being that way, like my constitution.

727
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: But that's that's the mentality and the military as well.

728
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: You know, you you might talk a little, and you

729
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: know your plan and you have your orders groups and

730
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: the like, and then you just you put it to practice.

731
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: You go out and it's all about the action piece.

732
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: And that's you know, where you take the theory and

733
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: you put it into practice, and half the time you

734
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 2: prove that those theories just are a load of shit.

735
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: And the reality of it is you've got to be

736
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: You've got to have a lot of lateral thinking and

737
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: be able to come up with contingency plans a lot

738
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: of the time. But I've always been that way, and

739
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: I've that's why I find the social media side of

740
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: things and kind of you know, the current era quite

741
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: difficult to to play in that space in that game

742
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: because I would rather you know, show my worth and

743
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: you know, my capability in the middle of a workout

744
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: or doing something hard or being of service you know,

745
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: to my family or to my friends or you know,

746
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: to people in need. And that's I think that speaks volumes.

747
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: And I guess I was quite fortunate when I left

748
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: the military and the biggest loser opportunity presented at skull self.

749
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: It scared the absolute shit out of me, but I

750
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: saw the opportunity and I was like, yeah, I'm going

751
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: to give it a crack. And I thought, if I fail,

752
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: I'll just go back to the army. But that immersion

753
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: process and that constant butterflies and feeling sick in my

754
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: guts want the puke every time I was going to

755
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: go on camera. The more you immerse yourself in it,

756
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: like everything we've been talking about, you start to learn

757
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: the ropes. You start to gain an understanding and some

758
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: insights and how to work around things. And I found

759
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: I've just got a lot better at talking because I

760
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: was around people who could talk, and other than that,

761
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: i'd still be like my nine year old son who

762
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: says very little, Well, you.

763
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: Get conditioned to whatever you do. You know, you become,

764
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: you know, you become who you're around and what you're

765
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: doing to an extent in that you know. You sorry

766
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: to repeat all these metaphors everybody, but I always say,

767
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: whatever you start as you start as a white belt,

768
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: whether or not that's martial arts or TV or academia

769
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: or building a business or you know, we start as

770
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: a white belt, and then we train and we fall down,

771
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: we get up, and we learn shit, and we progress

772
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: and develop skill and resilience and awareness and competence, you know,

773
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: and then you just get So you go from being

774
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: shipped in front of camera, not many skills, not much awareness,

775
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: and lots of nerves. And then over time you become

776
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: confident and skillful and the physiological response tones down and

777
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: you're the same person, but now you've got a different

778
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: relationship with that thing, with the camera, with that exposure.

779
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'd related to exercise all the time, and

780
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: it's you know, like like learning complex skills, you've got

781
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: to You've got to hone the basics first because otherwise,

782
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: you know, all that complexity, what does it base itself in?

783
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: You know, what are you working from? And yeah, they

784
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: actually those everything that you just spoke about have being

785
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 2: some of the biggest struggles that I've had in my

786
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: life is that that outward yeah, persona of who I am,

787
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: and then also playing a role as well and living

788
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: up to the expectation of what that character was. And

789
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: over time I just learned, really people just want you

790
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,479
Speaker 2: to be who you are, and and you don't need

791
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: to be this one dimensional human being like people. People

792
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 2: like to see the many facets of what makes another

793
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: person tick. And you can be soft and gentle and

794
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: loving and calm and at the same time an absolute weapon.

795
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: And I think when you have you're conscious and aware

796
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: of when to turn it on and not. You actually

797
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 2: go through life with more rhythm and you can move

798
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: with it. You're not you're not resistant because you're trying

799
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: to be something that you're not at times when you

800
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: don't need to be it.

801
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: That's that's so insightful. That's you. I don't know what

802
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: I expected, but I didn't expect you. That didn't I

803
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: didn't have low expectations. I try not to owe think it,

804
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: but you're very philosophical and insightful. I like it. And also,

805
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's this thing that, as you said, persona.

806
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: It's a really good word because I think with a

807
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: lot of people and me included at times, so all

808
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: of us probably at times, there's the persona and then

809
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: there's the person you know, and quite often the persona

810
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: is the role we play or the character or public

811
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: me or TV me, or me at the gym, you know,

812
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 1: when I was running my shit and people are everywhere,

813
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: and I step out on the floor and it's fucking.

814
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 2: Wah wah wah.

815
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: And there's I'm still me. But there's a fair bit

816
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: of role playing in that. And when you step away

817
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: from that being the commando and you're just Steve, just

818
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: the fucking bloke who's a bit complicated and a bit

819
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: brilliant and good and bad days and gets fucked off

820
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: and inspires people all in the same hour, right, because

821
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: you're just a fucking dude. You're not really special. None

822
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: of us are special, right, You're just a bloke. Yeah,

823
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean, No one's fucking special.

824
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: Or there's seven point eight billion of us that we're

825
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: not that fucking unique.

826
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: But collectively we are. But that's the we don't work

827
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: together enough. You know. Bruce Lipton, one of the best

828
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: biologists in the world, talks to that piece. You know,

829
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: everyone bangs on nowadays there's too many humans, you know,

830
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: it's that's the problem with the world. Well, actually, humanity

831
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: and the world are two different things. Humanity is the

832
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: issue with the world, and the world is actually going

833
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: to it's working its magic and sorting us out. But

834
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: Bruce Lipton said, you know, talk to the piece where

835
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 2: you know there's what seven point however many billion people

836
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: just to make one human body, there's like seventy trillion cells, yes,

837
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, and and they need to work reasonably harmonious

838
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: or harmoniously for us to function and be a human.

839
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: And you know, we we have the capability. We just

840
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: we've got to get over this archaic way of thinking

841
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: and actually use our intelligence. But we you know, our

842
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: state of being in this mindset, and a lot of

843
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 2: it too, is the ego and the emotions that are

844
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: born of the ego. A lot of anger and aggression

845
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: and resentment and jealousy and all this other type of

846
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: stuff constantly pulls us down and it undermines us.

847
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: In terms of your life. Now you've got to go soon,

848
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: when you've got to go five or ten. I'm all right,

849
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: all right, I'm fucking loving it. I'm loving it. I okay.

850
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: So for me, so I'm going to start. So for me,

851
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: my issues are numerous. But in terms of me managing me,

852
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: it's always been, you go, bit of bullshit, a bit

853
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: of self doubt, yeah, self loathing yep, a bit of overthinking,

854
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of self sabotage. Like beautiful cocktail of

855
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: emotions and behavior there right, and and like feeling shit

856
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 1: but kind of knowing well, I'm not shit, but feeling

857
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: shit at times. I've always had to bring myself fucking

858
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: keep myself aligned because I can shoot myself in the

859
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 1: foot or I can. You know, I always say to people,

860
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: nobody's a harsher critic of me than me, So do

861
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: your best right? What about you? How do you self manage?

862
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: How do you keep yourself mentally, emotionally, practically where you

863
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: need to be to be your best person or your

864
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: best self and to live your best life. Do you

865
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: have any rituals or do you have any?

866
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: You read a lot?

867
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: Do you meditate? To you listener? Fucking Joe Rogan ninetiek

868
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: so I.

869
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: Growing up, I didn't think much of myself. Grew up

870
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: with a stepfather who was just a hard ass. He

871
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: used anger was his go to emotion with everything, and

872
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: so I grew up as a young boy. You're seeking

873
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: ex acceptance, you know, from you know, the parent kind

874
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: of age group and my peers because I didn't get

875
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: a lot of that nurturing and that love. Like it

876
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: was it was hardline and discipline. The military kind of

877
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: brought more of that, and I didn't like myself at all.

878
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: And in my early to mid teens, I just started

879
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 2: using exercise as a means to beat the freaking, absolute

880
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: crap out of myself. You know, rather than alcohol or drugs.

881
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: I went to exercise. I'd get up early in the

882
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: morning and go for runs and try and kill myself

883
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: like like I would try and hurt myself like that,

884
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: like with exercise. My I used to ride a pushbike

885
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: and do paper runs every day and and the like,

886
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: and that that was a very tumultuous relationship with exercise.

887
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: But the thing with exercise, you know, this whole talk,

888
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: is it's freaking hard, and to sustain it you've got

889
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: to keep answering your why otherwise and many people can't though,

890
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: And for me, even in my military years, I still

891
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: did my own training on top of it. So when

892
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: I made the decision to leave the Army, I knew

893
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: what I wanted to do because it had had such

894
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: a profound effect on my life and helped me kind

895
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: of forge and carve a particular path. And I thought, well,

896
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: the things that I've learned to that point in time

897
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: and from the Army, I can put that to good

898
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: use and help others. And then the profile came and

899
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: I found that very hard to deal with. But then

900
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: I would talk to people and say, you know, what

901
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: do I do? And they would just say, if someone

902
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: approaches you and has something nice to say and congratulate

903
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: and I'm like, job well done. Just say thank you, like,

904
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: actually give them enough space and listen enough for them,

905
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 2: regardless of what it is that they have to say,

906
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: because that's their opinion, that's their perspective, and you may

907
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 2: have had a profound effect on their life from a

908
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: few words that you said. If they want to say something,

909
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: just let them say it, and then just say thank you.

910
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: And I was like, man, how easy can it be?

911
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: But you get all hung up on this stuff. And

912
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: then and then in when I was thirty three in

913
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, I competed in the CrossFit Games

914
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: in America and I finished fourth. I'm still the highest

915
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: ranked Aussie to finish at the Crossfeit Games. James hug

916
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: and Adelaide finished fifth last year behind me, so he's

917
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: getting close. But you know, not many people know about that,

918
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: you know, and that was the early days of CrossFit.

919
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: And that's an amazing outcome, Like I know what that means.

920
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: And then guy yeah, and guy said to me, who

921
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: served with me? And it was special Forces in the

922
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: Army And they're like, what's the difference between what we

923
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: did in the Army and what you did in CrossFit

924
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: and in the army, it's about being the gray man.

925
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: It's about just getting the job done. It's an endurance

926
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: race crossfits just it's brutal, it's all out. You're trying

927
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: to win. And I just drawed myself in the pro

928
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 2: assess And for about a year after that, I didn't

929
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: want to even think of exercise like I just it

930
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: made me want to be sick. But my relationship after

931
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: that with myself and what I put myself through for

932
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: all those years was I can't keep working through and

933
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: operating from the thought processes and the emotions that I

934
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: elicit to get the job done, because a lot of

935
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: it was, as you were saying earlier, self loathing. There

936
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: was a lot of aggression. There was a lot of

937
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 2: turning things back in on myself and using that as

938
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: a fuel to get it. But it's very destructive. But

939
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: through through that immersion again and the experience, I started

940
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: to read a lot more. I started to, you know,

941
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: I guess have my mind and eyes open to many

942
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 2: different facets and ways of being. And again just rewinding

943
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: to when I was young, I didn't know how to

944
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 2: express myself, so I used physical action to express myself,

945
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: and then I realized reading a lot of philosophy and

946
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: then kind of into the Buddhism side of things and

947
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: Zen Buddhism and teaching myself how to be still, to

948
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: just sit and be and come home to myself and

949
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: build a relationship with my mind and my body and

950
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: the essence of who I am. So nowadays I can

951
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: get really fidgety and up tight and upset about things,

952
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: and I can go and do a workout, but at

953
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: the same time, I can be in that same place

954
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: and I can go sit quietly out the back, or

955
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: even come into the carriage and turn the lights off

956
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: and sit here with my legs quiet although as my

957
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: leg's quite my legs cross quietly, and I might want

958
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: to jump out of my skin. But after about fifteen

959
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 2: minutes of just sitting with myself and just following my breathing,

960
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 2: everything just comes just kind of evaporates, and a lot

961
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: of that those very strong, powerful emotions subside. And this

962
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: is the other thing that I've learned is the Western

963
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: mind teaches resistance, trying to push away a lot and

964
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: to resist and having something to actually resist when there

965
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be and emotional intelligence is actually recognizing

966
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: an emotion coming up because it's been triggered from something,

967
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: and not trying to resist that emotion, but calming that emotion,

968
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: like your anger, like I don't need you right now,

969
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: Everything's okay, I've got this, And then you calm that

970
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 2: and you make space and room to engage with other

971
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: emotions that are more uplifting for you and they're more

972
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: beneficial to maybe what it is that you're trying to

973
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: get done.

974
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: Listen to you, dude. You like the Deli lama with

975
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: fucking big shoulders.

976
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't meditate for five minutes when I first

977
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: started sitting at it, like and the aches in my

978
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: knees and just the discomfort and pain, And then I

979
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: think I've in me. I've got a bit of a

980
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: bit of OCD with stuff if I forget, if I

981
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 2: fixed my mind on something like I'm like a pitbull

982
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: that's been let off the leash. Yeah, I'm not going

983
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: to be I'm not to be distracted by what's left

984
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: and right. I'm going after it. And some of the

985
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: stuff I read, especially in Zen Buddhism, about how disciplined

986
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: they are and the expectation. I was like, mate, I

987
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: might not be in Japan or in a zen, in

988
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 2: a Buddhist monastery of the like, well I can damn

989
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: or practice it in the confines of my own home.

990
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: And you know what I've learned about myself, and I

991
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 2: think getting to know yourself better, you know humanity better,

992
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: and and and a lot of the time, half the

993
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 2: stuff that you know irritates this and upsets this doesn't

994
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 2: need to be we just just put some spate, just

995
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 2: let it go and just observe, because a lot of it, too,

996
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: is we're just carrying on like five year olds. It's no,

997
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: we're just in in bigger bodies. Like I watched my

998
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: five year old son carry on. I think, oh, there

999
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: you go, Steve. You know sometimes you act like that

1000
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: and you're in your forties, you're big kid. But and

1001
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: then and then you smile because as you said at

1002
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: the start of this, you know, we do we take

1003
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: ship too seriously a lot of the time, and we

1004
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: beat ourselves up when really we could just smile and

1005
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: go there you go. You just you're just being a

1006
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: goose again, just you know, wind it in and and

1007
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 2: just calm things down.

1008
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: It's so interesting to hear the contrast between the highly

1009
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: trained Special Forces soldier, which is all you know, switched on,

1010
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: ready to go, ready to go like be prepared, sympathetic,

1011
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 1: nervous system, fight or flight, blah blah, but also parasympathy

1012
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: being the calm in the chaos, through to the kind

1013
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,959
Speaker 1: of the Eastern philosophical journey as well, you know, being

1014
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: the equanimity, you know, the calm in the chaos, and

1015
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: being where you become. You don't You're not the thought anymore.

1016
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: You're not in the thought. You're actually outside the thought.

1017
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: You're the observer of your thinking where there's that disconnect

1018
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: between me and my thought. It's not the same anymore.

1019
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, where did that thought come from? That's bullshit

1020
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: and being able to you know, and you go, well,

1021
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: if it's not my mind recognizing that thing that's coming

1022
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: from my mind, what is it? Who the fuck or

1023
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: what the fuck is the observer? Because it's also it's

1024
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: not my body. Oh hang on. If I'm not my

1025
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: body and not my mind and not my thoughts and

1026
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: not my emotions, I fucking love that stuff.

1027
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wrote about that in two thousand and nine

1028
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 2: in the book No Excuses When I was training and

1029
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: training up for the cross with games and the like,

1030
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: and pushing myself to the point of having out of

1031
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: body experiences and like I used to, but I can

1032
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: do that again now. You know, meditating, and you talk

1033
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: to many people who are very practiced in those ways

1034
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: of being, and they do they go into different states

1035
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: of reality and and things become altered. And it's much

1036
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: like you know, even sleeping, like the states of sleep

1037
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: and remembering dreams and not and the like, and you know,

1038
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: was I awake, was I sleep like? It's it's that

1039
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: trying to distinguish, and I think sometimes we get a

1040
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: bit hung up on it, but the mind tries to

1041
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: grasp as well and understand when really it's just just

1042
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: be happy with a certain observation or awareness that it is,

1043
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: and don't try and make anything more of it. But

1044
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 2: that's what where I'm at now too. With working out,

1045
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 2: like in that chaos of squad pressed with a barbell

1046
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: or running my guts out, I can I can just

1047
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: find myself quite centered and calm, and there's this buffer,

1048
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: and I can observe how the mind starts to trying

1049
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: to attach itself to certain pain triggers that are going on,

1050
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: and if you do, you go down this rabbit hole

1051
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: and you find yourself stopping when really, if you can

1052
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: bring it back to your breathing, bring it back to

1053
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: some fundamentals of like, all right, so what's the exercise

1054
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: that I'm doing and what what what techniques do I

1055
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: need to employ to ensure that I'm moving efficiently with

1056
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 2: those movements? And I bring it back to that and

1057
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: I just find I can just keep going rep after

1058
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: rep and it's and even now with I might not

1059
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: be as strong in the sense of, you know, one

1060
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: r M type work that I've been able to do

1061
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: over my years, but capacity wise and across a variety

1062
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: of skill sets, I'm a much better athlete, you know,

1063
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: human being that I'll ever be.

1064
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the thing is with fitness. I mean there's

1065
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: cognitive fitness, emotional fitness, you know, physiological fitness, of course,

1066
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: and even if we just look at the physical their

1067
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: strength and power and speed and muscular endurance and aerobic

1068
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: endurance and reaction time and spatial awareness, there's all that shit, right,

1069
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, being able to bench press whatever

1070
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: or deadlift whatever or clean whatever is good, but not

1071
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: if you can't run five hundred yards, you know, or

1072
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: not if you can't do a chin up because you

1073
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Speaker 1: weight one hundred and thirty kilos, or because you can't

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01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: fucking touch your knees because you lower backs fucked and

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Speaker 1: you've got the flexibility of a fucking cricket bat.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: So it is so interesting mate, to hear you talk

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Speaker 1: about all of that, and also, you know, to open

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Speaker 1: that door beyond you know, the identity thing and the

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01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: reality thing. It's like you were talking about the dream.

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Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing, right, Your body doesn't know

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01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: what's as in practically literally happening. It doesn't know the

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01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: difference between that and the dream because your body, you know,

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01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: if you're dreaming that you're being chased by the saber

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01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: tooth tiger, and in that dream you're there and you're

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01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: present and you believe that, then so does your body.

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01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden we have all of

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01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: these physiological responses which are identical to if it was

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01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: actually happening, because your body can't differentiate. That's how powerful

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01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: thought is. And so when we get people sitting around,

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Speaker 1: God bless them all day, some people who are really

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01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, focused on negativity. Well, the day is negative

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01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: because you're telling yourself those stories of how shit and

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01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: horrible everything is, even if it isn't. But then that's

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Speaker 1: reflected in your body's biochemistry and your heart rate and

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01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: your blood pressure and your sympathetic nervous system and your

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01:02:55,560 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: stress home hormones, and you know, it's this whole integrins

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: of mind, emotion, body and learning to self regulate, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of where you've been and where you are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 1: I fucking love this.

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Speaker 2: How you can, yeah you can. You can articulate it

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01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: in a way just with the differences and I guess

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Speaker 2: you know, the facets of what it means to be human.

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Speaker 2: And again we get so fixated on the form and

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Speaker 2: that muscular skeletal system and the aesthetic of how it

1107
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: looks when you know, I've there's so many people that

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Speaker 2: I know that don't look like athletes and they turn

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Speaker 2: the inside out and heartbeat.

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Speaker 1: And also think about how many people that you and

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Speaker 1: I know that are walking around in this awesome rig

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Speaker 1: that mentally and emotionally are falling apart, you know, And

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01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: then you go, so it's good to have a great

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Speaker 1: body and well done, and it's good to be strong

1115
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: and look fit and look amazing, and that's great, that

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01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: is a really great achievement. But if the only thing

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01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: you train is your body, you'd never train your mind,

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01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: or you never look after your mental or emotional health.

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Speaker 1: You know there are going to be some problems. Mate,

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Speaker 1: we're going to wind up because I realized that you've

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01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: got shit to do and you don't need to talk

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Speaker 1: to me all day. But I don't say this every episode,

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Speaker 1: but I've really really enjoy chatting with you, like really good,

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Speaker 1: so such a good conversation, and you're such an insightful

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Speaker 1: human being. So I really appreciate you coming on to

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Speaker 1: you project buddy.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, you're a ripper. You're fucking great. You're good.

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Speaker 1: You're real good. You probably know that, but I didn't,

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Speaker 1: but now I do. You're real good, Tiff.

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01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 2: What do you think I thought he was real good?

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Speaker 2: I reckon to give.

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01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: Him on your your podcast at some stage.

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Speaker 3: Well, little did he know I was going to hit

1135
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 3: him up for it. Well, let's ready now I think

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Speaker 3: he's ready.

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01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, primed him. He's had a practice run with me.

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Speaker 2: Mate.

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Speaker 1: If people want to follow you, you connect with you.

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01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: What's the deal, buy your books, fucking spoon you on

1141
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: the couch.

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01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 2: What is it? Just all the handles Commando Steve, So,

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01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 2: Commando Steve, website, dot com, Instagram, Kmando Steve, Facebook, Commando

1144
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: Steve and you know the training we we kind of

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Speaker 2: the banner we go under is get Commando Fit Perfect.

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01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate you stick around once I do the

1147
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: show sign off if you would just for a minute,

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01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: tiff anything, no harps, Well done you, well done Steve.

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01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: Well done listeners. We love your guts and we will

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Speaker 1: see you next time.