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Speaker 1: Good I groovers, Welcome to another installment of the View Project.

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Speaker 1: Oh good a tiff, Hello Harps, how are you? I'll

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Speaker 1: look I tell you what. I'm so excited because the government,

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Speaker 1: just the state government just announced that we're sliding into

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Speaker 1: lockdown for seven days starting tonight, which is ten hours

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Speaker 1: from now. It's just gone two o'clock in the thriving

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Speaker 1: metropolis of Melbourne. And if there's one thing I love,

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Speaker 1: it's not being able to go to the gym for

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Speaker 1: seven days.

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Speaker 2: Fuck.

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Speaker 3: I thought the only change for you. I thought the

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Speaker 3: only change would be that you have to take your

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Speaker 3: coffee home now and not sit at the Hampton's with it.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. Don't tell people where I have coffee.

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Speaker 3: Seven am every morning, same seat, same seat.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that on the right ah your shitouse.

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Speaker 3: You know the best thing about that is I haven't

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Speaker 3: even had coffee with you there, but I know that's

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Speaker 3: where you sit because.

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Speaker 1: That is where I sit, because I like the best

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Speaker 1: manage point. And if a bad guy's coming in, I

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Speaker 1: need to sit where I can see everything, the layer

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Speaker 1: of the land. I need to make sure that I'm

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Speaker 1: in a position where I can defend myself. It's all

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Speaker 1: about that and you never ever have you back to

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Speaker 1: the front door TIF. Just in case you didn't know.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of needing to defend yourself, you might today.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'm glad Steve is wearing a

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Speaker 1: long sleeve top and a puffer jacket because I feel

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Speaker 1: if he was in a singlet I'd be even more

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Speaker 1: insecure than I currently am, which is significant. Good day, mate,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I'm wonderful. Now are you both? It's so wonderful

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Speaker 2: to sit here and just listen to some banter.

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Speaker 1: That's what we do. We've both got a PhD in

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Speaker 1: talking shit, so we don't like to take ourselves too seriously.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of I think there's enough

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Speaker 1: seriousness going around. We need to intersperse it with a

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Speaker 1: bit of bullshit. Mate. At times we'll get to the

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Speaker 1: serious stuff, but we don't want to get there too quickly.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where do we find you today? Now? I know

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Speaker 1: that you're sitting in a gym slash training area slash garage.

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Speaker 1: Looks like the best equipped bloody garage gym in the world.

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Speaker 1: What state are you in? And I don't mean drunk?

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Speaker 1: Course over.

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Speaker 2: I'm in New South Wales, so in the Hills area,

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Speaker 2: just outside Sydney.

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Speaker 1: How long you been there?

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Speaker 2: A year and a half. I was living closer into

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Speaker 2: the city and had had a few personal changes and

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Speaker 2: found myself out this way.

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Speaker 1: And how like is it rural?

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Speaker 2: Is? Actually it's going through a massive development, Like Sydney

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Speaker 2: is just houses on top of houses. So where I

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Speaker 2: currently sit actually, you know, not so many years ago

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Speaker 2: it was all farmland, right, and just the rate in

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Speaker 2: which they're they're putting buildings on it, houses, train stations,

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Speaker 2: shopping centers and ain't it. It's it's developing quickly.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing these days?

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Speaker 2: What am I doing? I'm outdoors down to a kind

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Speaker 2: of grassroots training. I guess a lot of you know

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Speaker 2: what it is that that I did for many years

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Speaker 2: in the military, that GPP type training general physical preparedness,

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Speaker 2: but implementing I guess a bit more structure in the

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Speaker 2: in the programming. So each morning we load up the

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Speaker 2: full drive with a lot of the stuff in the

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Speaker 2: gym here or in the garage and go and conduct

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Speaker 2: it in a park, in a car park, you know,

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Speaker 2: at a number of different locations, and we run five

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Speaker 2: or so sessions a day, five to seven sessions a

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Speaker 2: day seven days.

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Speaker 1: Awak, Wow, do you have a team or is it

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Speaker 1: just you or what's the deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a small team of us and just

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Speaker 2: working at the moment on kind of growing that. And

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Speaker 2: essentially it was born out of necessity. COVID kind of

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Speaker 2: funny talking about that before, and you know, we all

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Speaker 2: went through the depths of it last year. All of

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Speaker 2: the work that I was doing, which was very profile

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Speaker 2: based and a lot of corporate work and being in

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Speaker 2: of way of being evaporated gone within a week. And

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Speaker 2: a lot of that was just due to travel and

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Speaker 2: marketing budgets and the like, just evaporating. And I found

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Speaker 2: myself standing at a center link line and I thought

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Speaker 2: this is pretty shit. And when they lifted the restrictions

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Speaker 2: and we could start training some people again, you know,

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Speaker 2: small groups, I was like, mate, I got some dumbbells

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Speaker 2: and bumplep plates. I was thrown in the back of

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Speaker 2: the start training people outdoors because no one else was

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Speaker 2: doing it. And we'd have ninety to one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty people through the doors on a Saturday and Sunday,

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Speaker 2: and then people just wanted more of it, so we

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Speaker 2: just started adding days to the point now where we

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Speaker 2: deliver training every day.

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Speaker 1: How many people do you get to a typical group?

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Speaker 1: I know, that's like how long's a been a string

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Speaker 1: because it varies, but Bullpark Bullpark.

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Speaker 2: Ballpark is we'd say fifteen. Yeah, you know that number

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Speaker 2: will definitely fluctuate, but especially now as it's starting to

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Speaker 2: get a bit cooler as well. You know, people get

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Speaker 2: a little a little turned off by the cole barbels

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Speaker 2: and the cooler weather and having to put too many

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Speaker 2: layers on. But it's yeah, I love it. It's something

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Speaker 2: I guess I've done my entire life kind of be

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Speaker 2: immersed in nature and kind of heed the advice and

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Speaker 2: strategize around how you best work with nature rather than

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Speaker 2: the sterile kind of fabricated indoor environments. And I think

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Speaker 2: there's a lot to be learned from that immersion process

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Speaker 2: and then the training that's delivered on top of that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, everyone who listens to me knows that I'm

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Speaker 1: a massive fan of stepping into discomfort and the benefits

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Speaker 1: and value and growth and learning and evolution that happens

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Speaker 1: in the middle of suffering and pain and discomfort, and

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Speaker 1: I'm in strategic discomfort, not silly, destructive. But it's funny

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Speaker 1: how how many people want to work out, but they

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Speaker 1: want to be comfortable, Like the whole point of working out,

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Speaker 1: the fucking point of working out, I reckon creative. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you create a physiological sorry dude, to create a

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Speaker 1: physiological response to adapt and it doesn't happen when you're

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Speaker 1: fucking comfortable. This is the point, oh mate.

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Speaker 2: We get in our air conditioned cars or our heated

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Speaker 2: cars to drive to an environment that's that's constructed in

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Speaker 2: a way to in our mind deadlift and pr in

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Speaker 2: a way or run on a treadmill or do whatever,

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Speaker 2: when really you can pull on some shoes hopefully it

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Speaker 2: put some clothes on before that, and step out your

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Speaker 2: front door and and you know, feel your boots like this.

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Speaker 2: It just perplexes me. But do you know what a

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Speaker 2: lot of it comes down to is education. It's it's

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Speaker 2: as much as you know, the industry, and you know,

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Speaker 2: with social media has grown to a particular point. What

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Speaker 2: sexy and pretty, but if you go and train with

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Speaker 2: those people or you immerse yourself in, you know what

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Speaker 2: it is that they're doing. Mate, it's faffing around.

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Speaker 1: It's nonsense, yes, so much and so true. And the

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Speaker 1: thing is that you know the thing that the thing

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Speaker 1: that we the thing that we often avoid, which is

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Speaker 1: and discomfort and inconvenience and all that shit. That is

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Speaker 1: literally the stuff that makes us better. And I used

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Speaker 1: to back in the day when you were fucking sticks.

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Speaker 1: I used to When I started my PT right, I

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Speaker 1: But we used to do some groups. But we couldn't

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Speaker 1: I used to do a Saturday morning group and it

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Speaker 1: do every Saturday four years between. This is no bullshit,

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Speaker 1: between thirty and one hundred people in this group. My

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Speaker 1: new people would come, they would say, oh, what happens

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Speaker 1: when it's raining, and I'd say, ask the group, and

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Speaker 1: the group would go, we fucking train and your waterproof, right,

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Speaker 1: because that was my answer, your waterproof? We train what

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Speaker 1: you earlier? Yeah, I'm like, dude, But you know, here's

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Speaker 1: the funny thing. I ran programs for years and I

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Speaker 1: have zero military credibility or background. I'm just a fucking nuffy.

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Speaker 1: But my program was called commando training and before boot

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Speaker 1: camps were things, and so I would train. The biggest

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Speaker 1: East of Friday at seven am, and we'd give the money.

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Speaker 1: Royal Children's Hospital appealed down here in Melbourne, and I

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Speaker 1: did one hundred and thirty five people on the beach

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Speaker 1: was just fucking awesome. But the thing is when you've

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Speaker 1: But it's joyful, you know, and people have there such

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like it reinforces, you know, a belief within

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Speaker 2: ourselves and collectively, and you know, it's not a false confidence,

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Speaker 2: whereas there's so much false confidence getting around nowadays. It's yeah,

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Speaker 2: it involves a hand a phone in your hand half

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Speaker 2: the time, but it's the vibe as well. And that's

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Speaker 2: that's something that I've been working hard on lately, is

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Speaker 2: just trying to I guess reiterate, you know, like initiate

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Speaker 2: does it's just showing up and getting started, like the

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Speaker 2: uncomfortableness of it. But once once you get past that,

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Speaker 2: like you don't want to leave.

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Speaker 1: It's addictive, right, yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: And you know, and one thing that I've really I

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Speaker 2: enjoy is again those small so you've got the larger group,

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Speaker 2: but breaking down into smaller teams. And I guess that's

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Speaker 2: the beauty of technology and the type of equipment that's

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Speaker 2: have a team going for max distance on something like that,

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Speaker 2: and as they come off a piece of equipment, they've

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Speaker 2: got a few other exercises to do and it's team first,

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Speaker 2: team who can cover the most distance in forty five

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Speaker 2: after it, not just for themselves, but you know, for

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Speaker 2: the collective group. But that little bit of competition really

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Speaker 2: helps to raise the bar and encourage people to give

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Speaker 2: a little more than they may give if it's just

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Speaker 1: And when you get you know, when you work when

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Speaker 2: forty two hours anyway, he in preparation for that, he

435
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: started on a Sunday morning at six am and ran

436
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: for twenty four hours on his own around the streets

437
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: of his home, with no support, no one there cheering

438
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: him on seven k's every hour on the hour, you know,

439
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: justice and so that's on round one hundred and sixty k's.

440
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: But just and he goes, mate, I was falling asleep

441
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: on my feet, the hallucinations I was having, like it

442
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: was just he said, it was a trip, just some

443
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: of the stuff that was happening to him. And you know,

444
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: it's one thing to be in at an in an

445
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: event where you know you're competing against other people. And

446
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: as we were saying earlier, dig a little deeper you

447
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: find that that that next year, that that extra mile.

448
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 2: But I don't know what makes that bloke tick. And

449
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: you know he's my brother, and he just it blows

450
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: me away what he what he achieves. And he's got

451
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: this big ass bier like Forrest Gump and long hair.

452
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: It's just what's his first name, what's his first name?

453
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: Andrew? But he goes by Drew Willis or he's better

454
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: known as the garment Man.

455
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: Shout out to Drew.

456
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, if anyone's in that type of stuff, he is

457
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: the most softly spoken, barely says anything kind of guy.

458
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: But you wouldn't put yourself up against him and that

459
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: type of stuff, you know. And he's not a small guy.

460
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 2: He's an eighty five kilow guy and he plays six

461
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: in that event you had to pull out because he

462
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 2: had to work at Camping Caravan Canny Caravan Expo on Monday.

463
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: That's buddy. Yeah, it's amazing. There's amazing people out there

464
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: who don't do it for the accolades of anybody else.

465
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: They just do it to test themselves.

466
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: And it's amazing what people discover about themselves when they

467
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: really really genuinely have a crack or when you know

468
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: what else is amazing, And I've spoken about this abnauseum

469
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: on this show. Is like when when shit goes sideways

470
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: in someone's life and there's a catastrophe or there's something

471
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: fucking terrible that happens, how adaptable and capable and amazing

472
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: people can be in the middle of a catastrophe or

473
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: after a catastrophe in terms of you know, what they

474
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: can do if they have to do it.

475
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, we rise to the occasion, and I think

476
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: again a lot of the language and how how we

477
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: view ourselves in this current era of humanity, it's undermining. Yeah,

478
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: like because as you just said, you know, like yeah,

479
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: like some of the events that like look in christ churchmen,

480
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: I had those those earthquakes a few years ago, and

481
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: how quickly they all pulled together and got themselves through

482
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: what was happening, you know, and time and time again,

483
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: when nature just gives a swift kick in the ass,

484
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: you know, we band together and we find a solution.

485
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: We come up with ways to get through it. You know,

486
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: look at COVID, even not so long ago, you know,

487
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: half an hour down the road from us here, we

488
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: had the floods, you know, the water the water levels

489
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: raised by twelve meters. Fuck like that's you know, people's

490
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: homes got washed away, and you know, and just before

491
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: COVID we had the fires. You know, people are still

492
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: dealing with the consequences and the aftermath of all of that,

493
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: you know, with everything else that's gone on.

494
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: Wow, So I want to jump around a little bit. Yeah,

495
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to. I don't not if this sounds bad,

496
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: I hate I don't you you'd probably be happy. I'm

497
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: not that interested in the biggest loser, but people will

498
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: want me to ask a fucking question or two. He

499
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: didn't ask him about the biggest loser. Tell me one

500
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: good thing and one thing that kind of not so

501
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: good thing, whatever it is, out of the biggest loser.

502
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: Or maybe there's no bad things, but something you enjoyed

503
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: and something that you look back and go, I'm not

504
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: sure about that.

505
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: From where we are nowadays, in our understanding around you know,

506
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: obesity and weight issues and the like, we know it's

507
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: a lot of it's mental health. Yeah, it's the perception

508
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: of self and use food and whatever else is it

509
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: means to soothe and to cope. Yeah, we didn't know

510
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: about all that well, you know five years ago, ten

511
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: years ago, and it was all very people were like

512
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: that because they lacked you know, whatever it might have been,

513
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: and they were full of excuses, and they were just lazy.

514
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: You know, everything was based in laziness, and they're pathetic

515
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: and apathet and all of this stuff and which you

516
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: know isn't isn't so true? Like there's a lot of

517
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: trauma that happens for people at very early ages. And

518
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: again it's education, it's it's understanding and when the framework

519
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: and the foundation isn't set when they're young, they don't

520
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: know any different. And then they find themselves on a

521
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: television show because they put their hand up and said

522
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: I need to turn my life around, and they ended

523
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: up on my team especially. I felt sorry for them

524
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: half the time, but I very much when I went

525
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: into it at the start, had this line you're either

526
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: in or you're out. There's there's no middle ground. Like

527
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: you know, you got to you got to live up

528
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: to the expectation. But that's how it was for me

529
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: for many years in the army and my job I

530
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: took very seriously. I loved it, and it was all

531
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: about building rapport and relationshi and ships because you wanted

532
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: people to define that that intrinsic drive to do it

533
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: for themselves, you know, not me just bark some orders

534
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: and point of finger and when I turn my back

535
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: they go and screw you. I'm not doing this any longer.

536
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: Because those tools they then put into their little bag

537
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: when they leave the biggest lose and it's in the

538
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 2: rear vision mirror and they can implement them, you know,

539
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: into their lives moving forward, you know, forever, and you

540
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: know some of the transformation stories and you know people

541
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: that have that have done amazing things this day, and

542
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: it helped them immensely. But then there's others that they

543
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: just they needed far more help than what the show

544
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: could deliver. And a lot of that was was coming

545
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: to terms with with things in their lives that yeah,

546
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: a lot of the traumas and the upset that they

547
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: carried and those burdens and just how food and how

548
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: readily available it is. They're just that they can't deal

549
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: with it.

550
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: I was banging on when I owned four gyms down here,

551
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: and I spent my life talking to people about the

552
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: psychology of eating and the psychology of getting in shape.

553
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: And even though my first degree is exercise science, so i'm,

554
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 1: you know, I would, you know, that's my area of

555
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: real expertise. But I figured out quite young that getting

556
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: in shape was whatever getting in shape means. That's a

557
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: very sweeping, kind of blanket kind of description and statement.

558
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: But I realized that helping people change their body was

559
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: largely not about their body, and especially when it came

560
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: to food, you know, because we don't accidentally eat cake.

561
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: We don't accidentally eat three pies. We don't accidentally have

562
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: fucking five beers and go shit out it like this.

563
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: This is all choices and byproducts. And you're right, you know,

564
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: just saying to someone, hey, fucking eat less and jog

565
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: more and have more fucking self control, that's not the answer.

566
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: And I've written a bunch of books. But the first

567
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: book I wrote was nearly twenty years ago, mate, And interestingly,

568
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: to my knowledge anyway, when no one was talking about

569
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: the psychology of food and getting in shape, I wrote

570
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: a book terrible fucking name, but I think it was

571
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: a good conversation. The book's called Fatitude, which was basically

572
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: a book about the psychology behind the physiology. Yeah, and

573
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: it's almost like, the body's not the problem. The body

574
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: is the consequence. The body's the symptom. What's the problem

575
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 1: is between my ears? And I'm the same, mate, like

576
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: i've my audience. No, I'm a fucking idiot with food,

577
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: like I've been. I was the fattest kid in my

578
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: school and it took me until I was probably mid thirties,

579
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: which was twenty years ago for me. And I owned

580
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: gyms and I was writing for the Herald Sun, I

581
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: was doing all this cool shit, but I still had

582
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: my own bullshit with food. And it took me three

583
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: and a half decades to be able to manage my mind,

584
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: to manage my body. And I think people really don't

585
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: understand what a huge role managing our emotions and our

586
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: mind and choices and behaviors and you know, thinking in general,

587
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: what a huge role it plays, because we're so obsessed

588
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 1: with the body that we actually missed the cause.

589
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: But that's but that's humanity in and of itself. We're

590
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: so fixated on the materialism and the form of everything,

591
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: we missed, we miss everything else. Now the Japanese have

592
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: a word for everything else, and it's called marm. It's

593
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: the space, the interval, or the gap between. And yeah,

594
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: as you said, so the physiology and how it presents

595
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: itself is exactly you know, what's going on, you know, internally.

596
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: And I saw it this morning when I took a

597
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: group for training and as we were talking earlier, people

598
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: banging on about injuries and I can't do this and

599
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: I can't do that, and we're sitting down and I

600
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: got them to do like a simple like seated splits

601
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: position and to bend to one side to stretch out

602
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: through the QL and mate. People couldn't even sit on

603
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: the floor with their leaks like they had them sitting

604
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: on like a yoga mat or an exercise mat. Some

605
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: people could barely get their feet wider than with the mat.

606
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: And they're so posteriorly or you know, the hip so

607
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: possibly rotated, but they're going into this caiphoonic position with

608
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: the hip. And then and then you know, you're asking

609
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: them to lunch, you're asking them to squat, you know,

610
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: do all this other stuff. They're so their reductors are

611
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 2: so bound up and tight, and then it's affecting all

612
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 2: of that as external rotators and up into their back.

613
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: It's and and again it's it's what's going on in

614
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: he here. It's what they then deem and think is

615
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: most important. And we chase the form, we chase the

616
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: output because humanity says, well, anything that you want is

617
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: found in intensity and going hard. Well, you know, we

618
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: know that that to be true to a degree, but

619
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 2: you've got to be smart about how you do it.

620
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: You know, efficiency of movement, efficacy of movement, you know,

621
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: and otherwise it's not trying to drive your car with

622
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 2: a bloody handbreak on, like you know, you're.

623
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: Just so trying to use fast and also on top

624
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: of that, like look at us three right now, where

625
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: the sit down generation? Right, There's never been a generation

626
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: of fucking humans ever in the whole timeline of humanity

627
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: who sit as much as we do. So we're in

628
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: constant hip flexion and quite often with this forward head position,

629
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: so our heads forward over our center of gravity. Our

630
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: shoulders are forward and slumpy, like Tiff, who looks like

631
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: a fucking question mark over there, get your shoulders back

632
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: to the boxing. And but yeah, so this forward shoulder position,

633
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: this chai fotic back, this forward head position, you know,

634
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: this constant hip flesh. And so our hip flexes get tight,

635
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: our glutes get weak and stretched, and then we stand up.

636
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: And just fucking standing up straight is a struggle for

637
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: some people. Yeah, but you know it's our lifestyle.

638
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like we're just hearing you say with Tiff,

639
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: and I guess the specificity of a given sport. With boxing,

640
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 2: it asks of you to hold your body in cert

641
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: positions and not be so square, you know, because you

642
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: to avoid being hit. It's easy to hit a freaking

643
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: big target. And I look back to my military time,

644
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm six to two, you know, and

645
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: you know I'm a biggish guy. But what what was

646
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: required of us, you know, was with a lot of

647
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: the drills that we did, we had a weapon system.

648
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: So we're kind of in that position and wear crouchs

649
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: all the time.

650
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: Remember when I was.

651
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: Leaving the army and I was introduced a crossbit, you know,

652
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: and they're talking about overhead squats and snatch and all

653
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: that stuff. Mate, I've thought my shoulders were going to

654
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: get torn off and my wrists and like I'd try

655
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 2: and front squat and I'd almost cry because the pain

656
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: that I'd get in my risk is my shoulders were

657
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: just frozen in this position. And then my elbow extension

658
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: from carrying a damn machine gun for years, like bent

659
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: like that, like it just it's all that muscle memory again,

660
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: and then the calcification in the joint. And but again,

661
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: I've just never been one to to allow others to

662
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: define who I am. It's like, you know, doctors say,

663
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: but don't do this, and don't just like men. You know,

664
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: I'm human, I'm organic. I'm gonna I'm gonna give it

665
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: a damn red hot go to, you know, to improve

666
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: my mobility, and you know, the things I can do

667
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: now at near on forty five that I wasn't capable

668
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: of doing when I was twenty five. Yeah, good for you, dude.

669
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: How long were you in the military.

670
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: So I joined when I was eighteen and I left

671
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: just before I was thirty, So yeah, it was around

672
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 2: that ten year mart Yeah. Yeah.

673
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: What was the best part.

674
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: The best part, Gosh, there was lots of it, but

675
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: it was the camaraderie. It was the matship and doing

676
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: hardship with your mates, Like doing some real scary, funky

677
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: like like almost out of body experience stuff. You know,

678
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: like sliding down the rope of a helicopter and a

679
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: high rise building, you know where it's just you and

680
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: your hands hold one and you've got thirty kilos a year,

681
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: you know, just jumping out of aircraft with your boats

682
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: and landing you know, way out in the ocean where

683
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: you can't even see land doing parachuting at night, sliding

684
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: down lift you know, steel cables twenty stories, you know,

685
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: just stuff, doing shooting, shooting in rooms you know where

686
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: you're standing close to targets and the trust and that

687
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: you have in your teammates too, you know, engaging you know,

688
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: friend from foe and hostage terrorist type situations. It's just,

689
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 2: you know, the level and degree of training. It's hard

690
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: to kind of articulate because most people's references to stuff

691
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: like that are movies.

692
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

693
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's guys that do this stuff day

694
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: and day out, and and and they've deployed those skills,

695
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 2: you know, for real, you know, in countries far away.

696
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's full on and that that you know,

697
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: what you do a lot of, whether or not that

698
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: set a lot, or carry a machine and a lot,

699
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: or eat donuts a lot or whatever. That behavior is

700
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: that you do a lot of, that becomes your default setting.

701
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: That becomes your programming. That becomes your whether or not

702
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: it's good or bad. That becomes your blueprint. I wanted

703
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: to ask you a little bit about like I mean,

704
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: I've only known you for forty five minutes. We could

705
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: have been brothers. I could have been your older brother,

706
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: I feel like to me, yeah, mate, Well, the funny

707
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: thing is I always have my head shaved. I've had

708
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: it shaved for thirty years. And this is the first

709
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: time I've grown it in ever because people thought I

710
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: was bald. I'm like, no, motherfuckers, I just shaved that shit.

711
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: It grows like fucking bamboo up there. So to me,

712
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: you seem like a contrarian, and by that I mean,

713
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: and tell me how wrong or right I am. Contrarian

714
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: in that you like, you're full on with what you do.

715
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: You discipline, you're in control, You've got your shit together.

716
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: You you have pretty clearly defined boundaries about who you

717
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: are and what you're doing, what's okay and what's not okay.

718
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: And you you're obviously because of your background with TV

719
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: except you're comfortable doing this. But to me, you don't

720
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: seem like a natural extrovert. You seem you seem more

721
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: like an introvert that has just been developed the skill

722
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: to be able to do this stuff. You're not an

723
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: introvert shy like you seem like to me a naturally

724
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: more quiet, reserved, just get shit done kind of person

725
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: and then beat my chest, look at me.

726
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent, like I I think, yeah, and

727
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: upbringing and just I think inherently being that way, like

728
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: my constitution. But that's that's the mentality and the military

729
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: as well. You know, you you might talk a little,

730
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: and you know, you plan and you have your orders,

731
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: groups and the like, and then you just you put

732
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: it to practice. You go out and it's all about

733
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: the action piece. And that's you know, where you take

734
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: the theory and you put it into practice, and half

735
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: the time you prove that those theories just are a

736
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: load of shit. And the reality of it is you've

737
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: got to be You've got to have a lot of

738
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: lateral thinking and be able to come up with contingency

739
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: plans a lot of the time. But I've always been

740
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: that way, and that's why I find the social media

741
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 2: side of things and kind of you know, the current

742
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: era quite difficult to to play in that space in

743
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: that game, because I would rather, you know, show my

744
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: worth and you know, my capability in the middle of

745
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 2: a workout or doing something hard or being of service

746
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: you know, to my family or to my friends or

747
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: you know, to people in need. And that's I think

748
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: that speaks volumes. And I guess I was quite fortunate

749
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: when I left the military and the biggest loser opportunity

750
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: presented at skull self. It scared the absolute shit out

751
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: of me, but I saw the opportunity and I was like, yeah,

752
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it a crack. And I thought,

753
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: if I fail, I'll just go back to the Army.

754
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: But that immersion process and that constant butterflies and feeling

755
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: sick in my guts want the puke every time I

756
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 2: was going to go on camera. The more you immerse

757
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: yourself in it, like everything we've been talking about, you

758
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: start to learn the roapes, You start to gain an

759
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 2: understanding and some insights and how to work around things.

760
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: And I found I've just got a lot better at

761
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: talking because I was around people who could talk. And

762
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: other than that, i'd still be like my nine year

763
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: old son who says very little, Well.

764
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: You get conditioned to whatever you do. You know, you

765
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: become you know, you become who you're around and what

766
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: you're doing to an extent in that you know. You

767
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: sorry to repeat all these metaphors everybody, but I always say,

768
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: whatever you start as you start as a white belt,

769
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: whether or not that's martial arts or TV or academia

770
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: or building a business or you know, we start as

771
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: a white belt and then we train and we fall down,

772
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: we get up, and we learn shit, and we progress

773
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: and develop skill and resilience and awareness and competence, you know,

774
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: and then you just get So you go from being

775
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: shipped in front of camera, not many skills, not much awareness,

776
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: and lots of nerves and then over time you become

777
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: confident and skillful and the physiological response tones down and

778
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: you're the same person, but now you've got a different

779
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: relationship with that thing with the camera, with that exposure.

780
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'd related to exercise all the time, and

781
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 2: it's you know, like like learning complex skills, and you've

782
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: got to You've got to hone the basics first because otherwise,

783
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: you know, all that complexity, what does it base itself in?

784
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 2: You know, what are you're working from? And yeah, they

785
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: actually those everything that you just spoke about have being

786
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: some of the biggest struggles that I've had in my

787
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: life is that that outward yeah, persona of who I am,

788
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: and then also playing a role as well and living

789
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: up to the expectation of what that character was. And

790
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: over time I just learned really people just want you

791
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: to be who you are, and you don't need to

792
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: be this one dimensional human being like people. People like

793
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: to see the many facets of what makes another person tick,

794
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: and you can be soft and gentle and loving and

795
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: calm and at the same time an absolute weapon. And

796
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: I think when you have you're conscious and aware of

797
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: when to turn it on and not, you actually go

798
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: through life with more rhythm and you can move with it.

799
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: You're not you're not resistant because you're trying to be

800
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 2: something that you're not at times when you don't need

801
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: to be it.

802
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: That's that's so insightful. That's you. I don't know what

803
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: I expected, but I didn't expect you. That didn't I

804
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: didn't have low expectations. I try not to own think it,

805
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: but you're very philosophical and insightful.

806
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: I like it.

807
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: And also, you know, there's this thing that, as you said, persona.

808
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: It's a really good word because I think with a

809
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: lot of people and me included at times, so all

810
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: of us probably at times there's the persona and then

811
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: there's the person you know. And quite often the persona

812
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: is the role we play or the character or public

813
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: me or TV me, or me at the gym. You know,

814
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 1: when I was running my shit and people are everywhere,

815
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: and I step out on the floor and it's fucking

816
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 1: wah wah wah, and there's I'm still me, but there's

817
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: a fair bit of role playing in that and when

818
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: you step away from there being the commando and you're

819
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: just Steve, just the fucking bloke who's a bit complicated

820
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: and a bit brilliant and good and bad days and

821
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: gets fucked off and inspires people all in the same hour, right,

822
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: because you're just a fucking dude. You're not really special.

823
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: None of us are special, right, You're just a bloke. Yeah,

824
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean, No one's fucking special.

825
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: Or there's seven point eight billion of us that we're

826
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: not that fucking unique.

827
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: But collectively we are. But that's the we don't work

828
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 2: together enough. You know. Bruce Lipton, one of the best

829
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: biologists in the world, talks to that piece. You know,

830
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: everyone bangs on nowadays there's too many humans, you know,

831
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: it's that's the problem with the world. Well, actually humanity

832
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: in the world are two different things. Humanity is the

833
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: issue with the world, and the world is actually going

834
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: to it's working its magic and sorting us out. But

835
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: Bruce Lipton said, you know, talk to the piece where

836
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 2: you know there's what seven point however many billion people

837
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: just to make one human body. There's like seventy trillion cells, yes,

838
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: you know, and and they need to work reasonably harmonious

839
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: or harmoniously for us to function and be a human.

840
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: And you know, we we have the capability. Were just

841
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: we've got to get over this archaic way of thinking

842
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: and actually use our intelligence. But we you know, our

843
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: state of being in this mindset, and a lot of

844
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: it too, is the ego and the emotions that are

845
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: born of the ego. A lot of anger and aggression

846
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: and resentment and jealousy and all this other type of

847
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: stuff constantly pulls us down and it undermines us.

848
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: In terms of your life. Now you've got to go soon,

849
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: when you've got to go five or ten? All right,

850
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: all right, I'm fucking loving it. I'm loving it. I okay,

851
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: So for me, so I'm going to start. So for me,

852
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: my issues are numerous. But in terms of me managing me,

853
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: it's always been you go, bit of bullshit, a bit

854
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: of self doubt, yeah, self loathing yep, a bit of overthinking,

855
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of self sabotage. Like beautiful cocktail of

856
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 1: emotions and behavior there, right, and and like feeling shit

857
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: but kind of knowing well, I'm not shit but feeling

858
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: shit at times. I've always had to bring myself fucking

859
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: keep myself aligned because I can shoot myself in the

860
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: foot or I can. You know, I always say to people,

861
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: nobody's a harsher critic of me than me, So do

862
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: your best right? What about you? How do you self manage?

863
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: How do you keep yourself mentally, emotionally, practically where you

864
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: need to be to be your best person or your

865
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: best self and to live your best life. Do you

866
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: have any rituals or do you have any to read

867
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: a lot? Do you meditate to your listener? Fucking Joe

868
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: Rogan nineteen weeks.

869
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 2: So I growing up, I didn't think much of myself.

870
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: Grew up with a stepfather who was just a hard ass.

871
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 2: He used anger was his go to emotion with everything,

872
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: and so I grew up as a young boy. You're

873
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: seeking acceptance, you know, from you know, the parent kind

874
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: of age group and my peers, because I didn't get

875
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: a lot of that nurturing and that love. Like it

876
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: was it was hard line and discipline. The military kind

877
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: of brought more of that, and I didn't like myself

878
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: at all. And in my early to mid teens, I

879
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: just started using exercise as a means to beat the

880
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 2: freaking absolute crap out of myself, you know, rather than

881
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: alcohol or drugs, I went to exercise. I'd get up

882
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: early in the morning and go for runs and try

883
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: and kill myself like like I would try and hurt

884
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: myself like that, like with exercise. My eye used to

885
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: ride a pushbike and do paper runs every day, and

886
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: and the like, and that that was a very tumultuous

887
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: relationship with exercise. But the thing with exercise, you know,

888
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: this whole talk, is it's freaking hard, and to sustain

889
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 2: it you've got to keep answering your why otherwise and

890
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: many people can't though, And for me, even in my

891
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: military years, I still did my own training on top

892
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 2: of it. So when I made the decision to leave

893
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: the Army, I knew what I wanted to do because

894
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 2: it had had such a profound effect on my life

895
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: and help me kind of forge and carve a particular path.

896
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: And I thought, well, the things that I've learned to

897
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 2: that point in time and from the Army, I can

898
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: put that to good use and help others. And then

899
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: the profile came and I found that very hard to

900
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: deal with. But then I would talk to people and say,

901
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: you know, what do I do? And they would just

902
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: say if someone approaches you and has something nice to

903
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: say and congratulate and I'm like, job well done. Just

904
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: say thank you, like, actually give them enough space and

905
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: listen enough for them, regardless of what it is that

906
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 2: they have to say, because that's their opinion, that's their perspective,

907
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: and you may have had a profound effect on their

908
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: life from a few words that you said. If they

909
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: want to say something, just let them say it, and

910
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: then just say thank you. And I was like, man,

911
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 2: how easy can it be? But you get all hung

912
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: up on this stuff. And then and then in when

913
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 2: I was thirty three, in two thousand and nine, I

914
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: competed in the CrossFit Games in America and I finished fourth.

915
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: I was still the highest ranked Aussie to finish at

916
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: the Crossfieit Games. James h Adelaide finished fifth last year,

917
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: behind me, So he's getting close. But you know, not

918
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: many people know about that, you know, and that was

919
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: the early days of CrossFit.

920
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: And that's an amazing outcome, Like I know what that means.

921
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: And then guy, yeah, and Guy said to me, oh,

922
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 2: served with me, and you know, it was special Forces

923
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: in the Army, and they're like, what's the difference between

924
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: what we did in the army and what you did

925
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: in CrossFit? And in the army it's about being the

926
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: gray man. It's about just getting the job done. It's

927
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: an endurance race. Crossfits just it's brutal, it's all out.

928
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: You're trying to win. And I des drawed myself in

929
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 2: thes and for about a year after that, I didn't

930
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: want to even think of exercise, like I just it

931
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: made me want to be sick. But my relationship after

932
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: that with myself and what I put myself through for

933
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: all those years was I can't keep working through and

934
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: operating from the thought processes and the emotions that I

935
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: elictit to get the job done, because a lot of

936
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: it was, as you were saying earlier, self loathing. There

937
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: was a lot of aggression. There was a lot of

938
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 2: turning things back in on myself and using that as

939
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 2: a fuel to get it. But it's very destructive. But

940
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: through that immersion again and the experience, I started to

941
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: read a lot more. I started to you know, I

942
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: guess have my mind and eyes open to many different

943
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: facets and ways of being, and again just rewinding to

944
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 2: when I was. I didn't know how to express myself,

945
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: so I used physical action to express myself. And then

946
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: I realized you reading a lot of philosophy, and then

947
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: kind of into the Buddhism side of things and Zen

948
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 2: Buddhism and teaching myself how to be still, to just

949
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: sit and be and come home to myself and build

950
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 2: a relationship with my mind and my body and the

951
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: essence of who I am. So nowadays I can get

952
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: really fidgety and up tight and upset about things, and

953
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: I can go and do a workout, but at the

954
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: same time, I can be in that same place and

955
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: I can go sit quietly out the back or even

956
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: come into the carriage and turn the lights off and

957
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: sit here with my legs quiet although as my leg's

958
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: quite my legs cross quietly, and I might want to

959
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 2: jump out of my skin. But after about fifteen minutes

960
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 2: of just sitting with myself and just following my breathing,

961
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: everything just comes. It just kind of evaporates, and a

962
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: lot of that those very strong, powerful emotions subside. And

963
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: this is the other thing that I've learned is the

964
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: Western mind teaches resistance trying to push away a lot

965
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: and to resist and having something to actually resist when

966
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: there doesn't have to be. And emotional intelligence is actually

967
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: recognizing an emotion coming up because it's been triggered from something,

968
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: and not trying to resist that emotion, but calming that emotion,

969
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: like your anger, like I don't need you right now,

970
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: Everything's okay, I've got this, And then you calm that

971
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 2: and you make space and room to engage with other

972
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: emotions that are more uplifting for you and they're more

973
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: beneficial to maybe what it is that you're trying to

974
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: get done.

975
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: Listen to you, dude. You like the Deli Lama with

976
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: fucking big shoulders.

977
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: But it's like I couldn't meditate five minutes when I

978
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: first started, you know, sitting at it, like and the

979
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: aches in my knees and just the discomfort and pain.

980
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: And then I think I've in me. I've got a

981
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: bit of a bit of OCD with stuff if I

982
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: get if I fixed my mind on something like I'm

983
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: like a pitbull that's been let off the leash. Yeah,

984
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be I'm not gonna to be

985
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: distracted by what's left and right. I'm going after it

986
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: and some of the stuff I read, especially in zen Buddhism,

987
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: about how disciplined they are and the expectation. I was like, mate,

988
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: I might not be in Japan or in a zen a,

989
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: in a Buddhist monastery or the like, but I can

990
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: damn or practice it in the confines of my own home.

991
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: And you know what I've learnt about myself, And I

992
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: think getting to know yourself better, you know humanity better.

993
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: And and and a lot of the time, half the

994
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: stuff that you irritates this and upsets this doesn't need

995
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 2: to be We just just put some spate, just let

996
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: it go, and just observe, because a lot of it,

997
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: too is we're just carrying on like five year olds.

998
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: It's no, we're just in bigger bodies. Like I watched

999
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: my five year old son carry on. I think, oh,

1000
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: there you go, Steve. You know sometimes you act like

1001
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: that and you're in your forties, you're big kid. But

1002
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: and then and then you smile, because as you said

1003
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: at the start of this, you know we do we

1004
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: take ship too seriously a lot of the time, and

1005
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, we beat ourselves up when really we could

1006
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: just smile and go there you go. You just you're

1007
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: just being a goose again, just you know, wind it

1008
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 2: in and and just calm things down.

1009
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: It's so interesting to hear the contrast between the highly

1010
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: trained Special Forces soldier, which is all you know, switched on,

1011
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: ready to go, ready to go, like be prepared, sympathetic,

1012
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: nervous system, fight for flight, blah blah, but also parasympathy

1013
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: being the calm in the chaos, through to the kind

1014
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: of the Eastern philosophical journey as well, you know, being

1015
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: the equanimity, you know, the calm in the chaos, and

1016
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: being where you become. You don't you're not the thought anymore.

1017
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: You're not in the thought. You're actually outside the thought.

1018
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: You're the observer of your thinking. Where there's that disconnect

1019
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: between me and my thought. It's not the same anymore.

1020
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, where did that thought come from? That's bullshit

1021
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: and being able to you know, and you go, well,

1022
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: if it's not my mind recognizing that thing that's coming

1023
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: from my mind, what is it? Who the fuck or

1024
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: what the fuck is the observer? Because it's also it's

1025
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: not my body. Oh hang on. If I'm not my

1026
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: body and not my mind and not my thoughts and

1027
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: not my emotions. I fucking love that stuff.

1028
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wrote about that in two thousand and nine

1029
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: in the book No Excuses, And when I was training

1030
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: and training up for the cross with games and the like,

1031
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: and pushing myself to the point of having out of

1032
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: body experiences and like I used to, but I can

1033
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: do that again now. You know, meditating, and you talk

1034
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: to many people who are very practiced in those ways

1035
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: of being, and they do they go into different states

1036
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: of reality and and things become altered. And it's much

1037
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: like you know, even sleeping, like the states of sleep

1038
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: and remembering dreams and not and the like, and you know,

1039
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: was I awake? Was I sleep like? It's it's that

1040
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: trying to distinguish, and I think sometimes we get a

1041
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: bit hung up on it, but the mind tries to

1042
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: grasp as well and understand when really it's just just

1043
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: be happy with a certain observation or awareness that it is,

1044
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: and don't try and make anything more of it. But

1045
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: that's what where I'm at now too. In working out,

1046
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: like in that chaos of squad, pressed with a barbell

1047
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: or running my guts out, I can I can just

1048
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: find myself quite centered and calm, and there's this buffer,

1049
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: and I can observe how the mind starts to trying

1050
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: to attach itself to certain pain triggers that are going on.

1051
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 2: And if you do, you go down this rabbit hole

1052
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: and you find yourself stopping when really, if you can

1053
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: bring it back to your breathing, bring it back to

1054
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: some fundamentals of like, all right, so what's the exercise

1055
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: that I'm doing and what what what techniques do I

1056
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: need to employ to ensure that I'm moving efficiently with

1057
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: those movements? And I bring it back to that, and

1058
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: I just find I can just keep going rep after

1059
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: wreck and it's and even now with I might not

1060
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: be as strong in the sense of you know, one

1061
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: r M type work that I've been able to do

1062
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: over my years, but capacity wise and across a variety

1063
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 2: of skill sets, I'm a much better athlete human being

1064
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: than I've ever been.

1065
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the thing is with fitness, I mean there's

1066
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: cognitive fitness, emotional fitness, you know, physiological fitness, of course,

1067
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: and even if we just look at the physical their

1068
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: strength and power and speed and muscular endurance and aerobic

1069
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: endurance and reaction time and spatial awareness, there's all that shit, right,

1070
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, and yeah, being able to bench press whatever

1071
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: or deadlift whatever or clean whatever is good, But not

1072
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: if you can't run five hundred yards, you know, or

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: not if you can't do a chin up because one

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty kilos, or because you can't fucking touch

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01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: your knees because you lower backs fucked and you've got

1076
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: the flexibility of a fucking cricket bat, you know. So

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Speaker 1: it is so interesting mate, to hear you talk about

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Speaker 1: all of that, and also, you know, to open that

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Speaker 1: door beyond you know, the identity thing and the reality thing.

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01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: It's like you were talking about the dream. You know.

1081
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, right, your body doesn't know what's real

1082
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: as in practically literally happening. It doesn't know the difference

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01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: between that and the dream because your body, you know,

1084
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: if you're dreaming that you're being chased by the saber

1085
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: toothed tiger and in that dream you're there and that

1086
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: you're present, and you believe that, then so does your body.

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01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden we have all of

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01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: these physiological responses which are identical to if it was

1089
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: actually happening, because your body can't differentiate. That's how powerful

1090
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: thought is. And so when we get people sitting around

1091
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: God bless them all day, some people who are really

1092
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, focused on negativity. Well, the day is negative

1093
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: because you're telling yourself those stories of how shit and

1094
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: horrible everything is, even if it isn't. But then that's

1095
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: reflected in your body's biochemistry and your heart rate and

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01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: your blood pressure and your sympathetic nervous system and your

1097
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: stress home hormones, and you know, it's this whole integrin

1098
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: of mind, emotion, body and learning to self regulate, which

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01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: is kind of where you've been and where you are.

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01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.

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01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: I fucking love this.

1102
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 2: How you can, yeah you can. You can articulate it

1103
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: in a way just with the differences and I guess

1104
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 2: you know, the facets of what it means to be human.

1105
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: And again we get so fixated on the form and

1106
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: that muscular skeletal system and the aesthetic of how it

1107
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: looks when you know, there's so many people that I

1108
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: know that don't look like athletes and they turn the

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01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: inside out and a heartbeat.

1110
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Speaker 1: And also think about how many people that you and

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01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: I know that a walking around in this awesome rig

1112
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: that mentally and emotionally are falling apart. You know, and

1113
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: then you go. So it's good to have a great

1114
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: body and well done, and it's good to be strong

1115
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: and look fit and look amazing, and that's great. That

1116
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: is a really great achievement. But if the only thing

1117
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: you train is your body, you'd never train your mind,

1118
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: or you never look after your mental or emotional health.

1119
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: You know, there are going to be some problems. We're

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01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: going to wind up because I realized that you've got

1121
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: shit to do and you don't need to talk to

1122
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: me all day. But I don't say this every episode,

1123
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: but I really really enjoy chatting with you, like really good,

1124
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: so such a good conversation, and you're such an insightful

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01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: human being. So I really appreciate you coming on to

1126
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: you project buddy.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, you're a ripper. You're fucking great. You're good.

1129
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: You're real good. You probably know that, but I didn't,

1130
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: but now I do. You're real good, Tiff. What'd you think?

1131
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:42,959
Speaker 3: I thought he was real good?

1132
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: I reckon to give him on your your podcast at

1133
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: some stage.

1134
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 3: Well, little did he know I was going to hit

1135
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 3: him up for it. Well, let's now I think he's ready.

1136
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, primed him he's had a practice run with me.

1137
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Speaker 2: Mate.

1138
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: If people want to follow you, you connect with you.

1139
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: What's the deal? Buy your books? Fucking spoon you on

1140
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: the couch?

1141
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: What is it? Just all the handles Commando Steve, So

1142
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: Commando Steve, website, dot com, Instagram, Kimando Steve, Facebook, Commando Steve.

1143
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 2: And you know the training we we kind of the

1144
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: banner we go under is get Commando fit perfect.

1145
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate you stick around once I do the

1146
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: show sign off if you would just for a minute,

1147
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: tiff anything, no harps, Well done you, well done, Steve.

1148
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: Well done listeners. We love you, guts and we will

1149
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: see you next time.