WEBVTT - Credlin | 5 August 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:05.520 Peter Quedlin live from New twenty four. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.400 Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.960 tonight on credline serious and concerning conduct. 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:15.400 That's the verdict from IBACK. 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.880 Today has revelations of a backroom deal by former Premier 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:23.360 Daniel Andrews and the firefighters Union are finally made public. 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.680 The questions tonight about why there isn't a definitive case 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:30.360 for corrupt conduct, Well, stay tuned, I'll take you through 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:35.599 exactly why that is. Class cabinet chaos in Canberra, Immigration 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.639 Minister Tony Berg reportedly pulling the pin on major policy changes, 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.200 including a crackdown on migration. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.919 Talk that there was a cabinet revolt here, so what 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.240 do we know? Also, was it an. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.400 Act of terrorism against a Melbourne defense manufacturer last year, Well, 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:57.360 that's certainly under investigation, with concerns it was orchestrated by 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.800 far left extremists. Our part time Energy Minister Chris Bowen 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.759 at the Press club today, smart goot as smarmy as 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.160 ever and still banging on about batteries and telling us 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.720 we're all on track to meet those net zero targets. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.800 Will you get to eighty two percent? I think we can. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:16.479 I think we can. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:17.640 You don't rather than will? 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:19.440 Well, I think we can, and whether we will or 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.560 not depends on whether we keep our foot on the accelerator. 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.319 And I believe if we get very close to eighty 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:24.640 two percent, you know, if we get to eighty two 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:26.679 percent in twenty thirty one and not twenty thirty that's 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:27.520 still a very good thing. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.040 First, they were almost the first words out of Ben 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:36.240 Carroll's mouth, weren't they after he became the latest unelected 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:37.800 Premier of Victoria. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:44.199 I am not Dangiel Andrews. I am not just center Allen. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.880 In my government, integrity will not be optional. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.680 Well, really, so, why then have a press conference at 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.560 nine point thirty this morning at the exact time as 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.640 the anti corruption watchdog was out releasing its long overdue 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:05.720 report into Operation Richmond, an inquiry that's taken eight years 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.880 to investigate corruption claims involving the Andrews government and the 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:14.839 powerful firefighters union. Well, why so that every question could 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.160 be deflected just like this? 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.840 That's why I have not read the report. I'll be 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.800 reading the report tonight. It has been tabled in the Parliament. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.080 While I'm here, I'm going to read the report carefully. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.120 I'm going to study it and give the Victorians the 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.720 action and the answers they deserve. What I can answer 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.359 for is what we do from here, and that he's 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:37.919 reading this report carefully. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.280 Did you time this press conference specifically to avoid taking 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:42.680 questions on this matter? 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:44.399 You knew it was being tabled at nine point thirty 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:44.960 this morning. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.400 No, this was always in my diary. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.120 What you saw today from the new premium ban Carroll 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.880 was just a continuation of the medium manipulation and evasion 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.840 that's been a hallmark of Victorian labor. Now it might 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:03.079 be you face, but Carol's no different than his predecessors, 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.760 proving you can change the premier, but you can't change labor. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.280 He might have promised a Royal commission into the c 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.480 IFVERU and claims that it's diverted some fifteen billion dollars 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.360 of your money out of the big build and off 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:21.000 to organize crime, amongst other things, but he still actually 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.399 hasn't announced it, and when he does, you can better 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.360 it'll be fronted by a friendly commissioner with limited terms 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:32.160 of reference and no public hearings this side of the 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.600 November state election. He's promised too that he'd give eeback 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.360 the powers it needs to fully investigate corruption, as he 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.400 again promised today, it is intolerable. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:51.040 I will take action. I will accept the recommendations and 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.840 get on with implementing them. We will pars legislation to 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.200 give ieback the powers that it has been asking for, 0:03:58.400 --> 0:03:59.440 and that is what I'm doing. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.040 But again, like the Royal Commission, nothing's happened so far, 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.920 and you can bet that any new powers IBACK gets 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:12.320 won't be retrospective, and they won't allow IVAC to reopen 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:17.160 any of these previous investigations which have highlighted massive problems 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.200 but have totally failed to hold guilty parties to account. 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:26.040 But none of that is surprising. Despite ibac's multimillion dollar 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.520 budget and successive commissioners, will have all pleaded it for 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.960 additional powers to tackle corruption, but have been rejected. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:39.679 For so long, there's been a persistent refusal to give 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:45.760 not only IBACK the corruption watchdog, the powers that it needs, 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:50.800 but the other integrity officers, the Order to General's Office, 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:55.480 the Ombudsman. They're all under resourced. Ten years or more, 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.800 I and my predecessor have been pointing to the same 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:07.000 limited issues which so inhibit ibex's capacity to investigate. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.360 Now, Redleick was a labor man. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.719 But despite those extraordinary public pleas there there's been no 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:19.320 extra powers for the anti corruption watchdog. Nothing has changed. Instead, 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.400 rotten governments have all been able to use IBACK as 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.000 a shield against corruption claims, as just Inta Allen did 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.640 over the Big Build while keeping it as toothless as possible. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.599 Now it's no coincidence that the New South Waleses Anti 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:38.320 corruption body eye CAAC has bounced to premiers, one over 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.480 a bottle of wine, the other over a dodgy boyfriend, 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.479 while in Victoria billions allegedly funneled into the hands of 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.480 organized crime and the unions. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.240 Well that goes unpunished. 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.760 Here is respected anti corruption expert, retired New South Wales 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:59.960 Supreme Court Judge Anthony Weary, case on this very point. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.240 So the really serious thing here, I think Kieran, is 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.480 that had these findings been made in New South Wales 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:15.479 under the legislation we call EYKAC, then it's almost certain 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.919 that a powerful case would exist for findings of corrupt conduct, 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:25.920 and even even the KNACK at a federal level, the 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:30.440 language of the NAK definition of corrupt conduct would have 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.640 meant again, a serious and compelling case would have been 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:38.159 made for filings of corrupt conduct. So I think, really, Kieran, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.520 the lesson to be learned from this is Victoria now 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.560 stands at a pivotal moment, and people like Dan Andrews 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:50.240 will come away smugly, I would imagine saying, oh, well, 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.479 there be no filings made against me. And Peter Marshall, 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.760 the union figure involved, he has already said that yes, 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.839 but that's only because of the narrow definitions legislation. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:07.039 That man is a retired senior New South Wales Supreme 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:12.080 Court judge. Now let's look more carefully out Operation Richmond. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.240 Today's Iback report has been eight years in the making, 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.440 some forty witnesses have been probed, and there's a paper 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.120 trail too that could wrap itself around the MCG with 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.480 the conclusion delivered today that the Andrews government, ministers and 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:30.480 public servants had engaged in serious and concerning misconduct in 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:36.640 breach of established policies, procedures, codes of conduct and conventions 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.080 in negotiating a twenty sixteen deal that merged the old 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:46.040 largely volunteer Country Fire Authority with the unionized Metropolitan. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.280 Fibrou Brigade Fibrigade, with. 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:53.240 The resultant fire rescue Victoria effectively under militant union control. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.120 It was this deal stitched up between the then Premier 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.920 Daniel Andrews and the union's Peter Marshall behind the back 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.880 of the relevant minister that led to the late Jane 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:08.800 Garrett's resignation from cabinet. Now, unlike Ben Carroll, who's sat 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.760 at the cabinet table without any obvious protest for nearly 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.360 a decade, Garrett seems actually to have been about the 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:19.440 only person of real integrity in what's largely been a 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:24.240 gangster government of labor in Victoria. Here is the state's 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:29.640 current IBACK Commissioner, Victoria Eliott on Melbourne Radio earlier today. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.240 We did not establish corrupt conduct, which under our legislation 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:38.080 does require a criminal offense. We have identified a number 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:43.160 of conduct risks that must be addressed as they're doing 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:43.839 duy today. 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.920 Okay, corrupt conduct risks. I guess you found that Dan 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.760 Andrews did it my words, background deal with the fieries 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.120 union to get a pay deal sorted. Is that fit 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.720 what you found like a backroom deal? 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.440 Yes, we did. We did find that he authorized the 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.560 then Special Minister of State, mister Gavin Jennings, with the 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.840 assistance of the Deputy Secretary Department of Premier and Cabinet 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:12.520 to conduct an undisclosed backroom deal with the Secretary of 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.280 the United Firefighters Union, mister Peter Marshall, and their actions 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.640 in conducting this deal was contrary to government policy procedures, 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.880 their respective codes of conduct conventions, and that, as you said, 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.720 mister Marshall was able to use that as leverage. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.959 As reported by IVAC, Marshall describe the agreement to destroy 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:39.080 the CFA as negotiated with FI former Minister Gavin Jennings 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:43.559 in a backroom and endorsed by e Fie Andrews in cabinet. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:49.079 On why this backroom deal was so explosive, He's Victorian 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:50.559 Senator James Patterson. 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.880 But what's corrupt or corrupt conduct? James? 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.240 I mean, what's an undisclosed backroom deal? 0:09:58.280 --> 0:09:59.000 Actually mean? 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:01.280 Well? 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.600 Or It's not normal for public sector EBA negotiations to 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.160 be conducted in rooms booked in a hotel. It's not 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.600 normal for champagne to be broken out and photos to 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.679 be taken and sent to the premiere. It's not normal 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.200 for a Labor senator at the time who was not 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:24.400 a government minister to attend these negotiations and participate them 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:29.040 in some way. Corruption is when you put sectional interest 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.080 ahead of the public interest, and Victorian labor does this 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.680 time and time again. They put the CFMI use interest 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.280 ahead of Victorian taxpayers. They put the UFUSE interest ahead 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.680 of the country fire authority and firefighters, and they do 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.400 it time and time again. And it goes to the 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.199 heart of their business model in Victoria, which is they 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.480 win power and hand public money over to their friends 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.600 and allies who support them to retain that power in 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.040 the union movement. That is corrupt and the only way 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.040 to fix that corruption is to get rid of this government. 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:56.959 In November. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:03.120 Today, IBAK that Marshall had exerted extraordinary influence and was 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.600 afforded privileged access the firefighters a union deal, said the 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:12.120 IBACK Commission. Victoria Elliott highlights how government leaders, including ministers 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.959 and the premier, can undermine established checks and balances when 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:20.120 they fail to act as stewards of good governance. These failures, 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:25.040 she said, as serious and persist in Victoria's public sector. Yet, 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:30.040 because of ibac's limited investigative powers and highly restrictive definition 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:34.480 of corruption. Remember what Justice wheeli's just said it could 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:39.199 not find corrupt conduct, including the blackmail that's been alleged, 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:44.280 just serious and concerning conduct which increased the risk of 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:49.760 corrupt conduct, but which IVACS in institutional investigative hobbles meant 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:55.440 were as yet unidentifiable. Now, honestly this is a joke. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:56.360 Again. 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.880 Compare Victoria's inputent IBACK and New South Wales' i CACK. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.920 As this latest report shows, IBAC can only investigate serious 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.800 corrupt conduct where it amounts to criminality. And yet over 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:13.600 the murray, i CAAC can and routinely does, investigate breaches 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.920 of public trust and misuse of official functions. All it 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.679 needs in New South Wales is a credible allegation the 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.880 government's not acting as it should, and then the public 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:28.720 show trials begin. And while IQAQ probably has too much power, 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:33.360 it's clear that Victoria's IBACK has way too little. Just 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.040 as Julia Gillard declare that good government had lost its 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.640 way when she rolled Kevin Rudden that good government starts today, 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.880 she said it never did. And I can't see that 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.280 anything's going to change now that Ben Carroll has said 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:49.760 integrity isn't optional. If he was genuine about the job 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.840 of starting to tackle the most corrupt state in the Commonwealth, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.520 he'd recall Parliament to pass legislation now to give IBACK 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.520 the powers and resources it needs to do the job 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.240 it was said up to do. If Carol was serious 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.520 about demonstrating that he really is different and better than 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:10.080 his tainted predecessors, well he'd immediately sacked Tony Bates, the 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.440 now Secretary of the Education Department, who at the time 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.280 of his IVAC report was the point man for this 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:20.480 union deal, and he is named throughout the IVAC documents. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.080 Now this is particularly important given that Carol was the 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.480 Education Minister and worked closely with his blog baits until 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.520 he rolled Allen one week ago. If he really is 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.360 not Andrews or Allen as he says he isn't he 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.520 also boot the United Firefighters Union from the Labor Party, 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:43.360 and he would refuse all donations. If he was fed income, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.320 his Royal Commission would have teeth and hold public hearings 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:52.000 before November because sunlight, they say, is the best disinfectant. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.800 Does anyone really think this will happen? I don't. 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:59.160 I'm sorry to say I don't think it'll happen even 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:03.240 today is being a statement. Late this afternoon, Daniel Andrews 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.240 remained as delusional as ever. Argue again, I quote for 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.480 the record and for the avoidance of doubt. There are 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:15.400 no findings in relation to corrupt conduct made about me, 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.720 any member of the government or the public service. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.280 That is a fact, he says. And yes, that is right. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.480 But it's also a fact that IBAC says it does 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.480 not have the powers it needs to deal with corruption. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:34.280 And commissioners have asked Andrews. They asked him repeatedly the 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.920 whole time he was in power to give them the 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.880 extra powers they needed, but he did not. So they 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:45.240 can hardly find corruption when they themselves say they don't 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.840 have enough powers to even go and search for it. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.480 Can they now? 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.640 During COVID I saw the underbelly of Victoria's crime and 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:53.800 corruption crisis. 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.720 It is deep, and it is wide, and it. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.400 Goes high up in the public service and all the 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.480 way through political offices in the state of Victoria. Put simply, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.800 there are too many people with their nose in the 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:12.080 taxpayer trough in Victoria. There are too many people with 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.520 power and influence to lose, to want to see a 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.160 change of government in this state to want to see 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:23.080 to allow even Victoria to be cleaned up. It's not 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:27.000 a mistake that during COVID bad people made milligans, and 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:31.960 that pattern of illicit corrupt behavior has now been entrenched 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.920 with a state dead of some two hundred billion dollars. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.080 Just think how many people have benefited by ripping off 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.960 the Victorian taxpayer, With nine out of every ten new 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.880 jobs in Victoria a public sector job, Just think how 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:51.680 deep things go. I always argue for a Royal commission 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.960 into the pandemic so that all of this would be 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:58.440 uncovered and dealt with. I hope too at the time 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.520 that I might be called as a wisness to give 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.640 evidence in the hope that Victoria could be cleaned up. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.200 Now I can understand why Daniel Andrews rejected that call, 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.720 but even still now I'm sorely disappointed that Scott Morrison 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:12.480 rejected it. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:13.040 Also. 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.800 All that's left now is my hope that voters in 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.800 Victoria have more backbone than those in power, and that 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:26.200 they use the ballot box in November to hold all 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:35.440 of these criminals to account. We will come back to Victoria. 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:40.160 Of course, We've got that extraordinary SAMI run out from 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.080 Chris Bowen at the Press Club today. We'll get into 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.080 that as well, but let's get the headlines now with 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.000 our political reporter Trudy Macintosh. 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.760 The Home Affairs Minister abruptly canceled his press club speech tomorrow. 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.400 I mean push back in cabinet on the details of 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:54.840 the plan to slash migration. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:56.920 Has it in disagreements. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:57.120 About the policy. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.120 No, We've been working through the policy. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:04.040 With Anthony Albanezi on leave. Richard Miles chaired Monday's contentious 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.240 cabinet meeting. The Home Affairs Minister put forward a plan 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.840 to reduce numbers, but faced pushback for ministers about potential 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:15.560 backlash and the detail. It reportedly included tougher family visa rules, 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.359 a cap on the number of backpackers, and changes for 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:19.440 asylum seecrets. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:20.680 How far super. 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.760 Migration Masip tiny Burke will provide further updates. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.600 Migration surged in the wake of COVID above five hundred thousand. 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.240 That's been going down, but the net overseas migration figure 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:36.640 has repeatedly overshot Treasury forecasts. Tony Burk's plan is designed 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:37.919 to stop that happening again. 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.719 He wants to look like he's cutting migration, but he's not. 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:43.159 His line. 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.439 What he's doing is moving things around to make the 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:47.640 numbers look smaller. 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.400 And it's full steam ahead for the renewables roll out 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.920 under Labor Minister Chris Bowen announcing a new rebate scheme 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.680 to get businesses to install rooftop solar, doubling down a 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.880 mid warnings Australia is not on track to Labour's eighty 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.359 two percent renewables by twenty thirty target. 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:04.800 I think we can. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.840 I think we can, you know rather than will well, 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:08.560 I think we can, and whether we will or not 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.600 it depends on whether we keep our foot on the accelerator. 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.480 Minister Bowen also vowed to override objections from Queensland in 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.800 the Northern Territory that mandate renewables for ALI data centers. 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.800 Are you saying you will write Commad's legislation to effectively 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.840 force Queensland to run their paragrid in a certain way. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.640 I'm saying we'll write commwalth legislation for the Commonwealth of Australia, 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.280 which covers every state and territory. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:31.920 Trudy McIntosh News twenty four, Canberra. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:36.080 Otherwise, it was Bowen and his fami best. As I said, 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.080 let's get into it all now with my panel on 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.399 his twenty four host Damian Rodgers and contributed call Katz 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.720 and Barnas. I'll start with Burke if I can. Tony Burke. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.440 He was supposed to be at the Press Club tomorrow. 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.440 We've just had that report there from Juty in the headlines. 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.200 It was supposed to be a speech with a really 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:58.080 big announcement on immigration. A spokesman not Burke, though, has 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.159 said we've got to put it off. The details not 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.920 yet finalized. Behind the scenes, it would appear there's been 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:09.040 a crackdown or a breakdown inside the cabinet, though it 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.840 looks like there's been a reaction from the left faction 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:13.280 over changes. 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:14.080 They were looking at. 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.879 Changes about to tougher family visa rules, a cap on 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:21.959 the number of backpackers, restrictions on work and appeal rights 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:26.000 for asylum seekers. So Caraly, this is really interesting. I 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:30.120 know Labours now reacting to one nation here and the Poles, 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.159 but it's clearly proving difficult internally. 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.880 Well it is because as we know, they're not foreigny 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:43.359 checks or balances with Australia's migration system. I mean Australia's 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:47.120 migration system is meant to actually help build up Australia. 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.280 I mean there's currently four hundred and thirteen thousand people 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:54.959 on temporary bridging visas. The problem is the migration levels 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.199 are just too high and it's affecting every corner of 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:02.920 Australian life. It's basically been a massive exercise by the 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.959 Albanesi and federal Labor governments in trying to import a 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.640 massive vote block into Australia. How can you not want 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.439 to protect our borders. How can you not want to 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.280 protect the safety and security of all Australians. This is 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.919 not race based, and it will be made out to 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.399 be that it is race based. But when you wave 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:26.720 through three thousand temporary people from Gaza with no checks 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.520 or balances at all, and you have Tony Burke secretly 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:33.120 at the airport meeting them, what message does that send out. 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:37.600 It sends out that Australia and Labor they're not interested 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:39.760 in the future of Australia. 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:41.000 There are too many people. 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:42.760 The other thing is I read that you know the 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:48.399 Administrative Review Tribunal is under resourced. Well, I'm really sorry 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:50.720 it may be under resource, but as i've said before 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:53.800 they got rid of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal in a 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.520 hit job by Albanesi and Drefus in a vanity project. 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.960 They removed many, many good members were doing their job. 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.360 And look at the blowout four hundred and thirteen thousand 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:07.679 people on temporary bridging visas and three years ago it 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.080 was less than one hundred and seventy seven thousand. They're 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.560 not serious on it. And Labour's never been serious about 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:15.880 looking at our migrations. 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:17.000 There have to be. 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.800 Rules, people have to be rules. We need to have 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:25.399 checks and balances. It goes through to housing, healthcare, infrastructure, 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:30.200 all those things that normal law abiding, tax paying Australians 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.800 are now suffering from. And it is not racist to 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:37.560 want to have a proper discussion on migration and actually 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:39.719 stop this explosion in population. 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:43.000 Well a couple of things from me. It just on 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.119 that to you, Jamie. Of course the politics are clear. 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.720 I'm not talking about the published polls, but Labor to 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:52.360 move on this. That tells to me their internal polls 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:54.280 and there are a lot more accurate, as you will know. 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:57.680 Politically they must be heading in the wrong direction for Labor. 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:02.600 So that's one point I think Burke's been dragged, kicking 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:03.720 and screaming to this. 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:04.720 Absolutely. 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.040 I think the numbers there of the people in the 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.280 temporary bridging visas doubling over the past three years. As 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.560 Curely said, they are a huge concern. But what really 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.360 worries me, and it's come out in Question Time and 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:21.120 estimates the number of these mass citizenship ceremonies that Labor 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:25.120 are holding three four thousand people there with Tony Burke, 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:27.840 Labor MP's front and center, and at the back of 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:31.440 the room is the AEC with the forms to sign 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.000 them up immediately as voters. 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.200 Yeah, this is something that was raised quite a lot 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:40.159 in the lead up to the last election and as 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:42.240 well in the lead up to the last state election 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:46.359 because it was in a Labor heartfelt area of where 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:48.600 a lot of these ceremonies were And I think if 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:50.520 they are going to be doing that, then Labor needs 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:54.000 to be upfront about what demographic and what regions that 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:56.920 these ceremonies are happening in the lead up to elections. 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.880 But to Carraly's point, when they're regarding these bridging visas, 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.000 I was reading Peter that back in the nineties when 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:08.120 this was first established if they reached ten thousand bridging visas, 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.440 they would have all balked and gone, oh my gosh, 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.200 that is so many. Fast forward to twenty twenty six 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.000 and we're now seeing four hundred thousand. It is a 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.600 system that is now not being used in the way 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.119 that was originally designed to and I think this government 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.240 has a lot to answer for. And what we're seeing, 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.200 the fact that Tony Burk has canceled his speech tomorrow, 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:29.280