WEBVTT - Death by Hanging: Inside Israel's new laws for Palestinians

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Nicole Johnston and you're listening to seven am. Israel's

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<v Speaker 1>passed a new law to execute Palestinians convicted of deadly attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>It passed through the country's parliament despite the opposition of

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<v Speaker 1>both Israeli and international human rights groups, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>the UK, Germany, France and Italy. Israel's National Doctors' Union

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<v Speaker 1>has refused to carry out lethal injections, so those convicted

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<v Speaker 1>will face death by hanging. The government argues the law

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<v Speaker 1>will deter future Palestinian attacks, and some right wing Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>politicians wore new shaped pins in parliament Today. Israeli journalist

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<v Speaker 1>Amira has from the daily newspaper Haaretz on capital punishment,

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<v Speaker 1>settler violence, and expanding settlements in Palestine. It's Tuesday, April fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>This week, Palestinians protested a new Israeli law that expands

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<v Speaker 2>the death penalty for killings classified as acts of terrorism.

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<v Speaker 2>Human rights groups say the law is expected to apply

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<v Speaker 2>exclusively to Palestinian prisoners in the occupied West Bank.

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<v Speaker 1>Amira, you've lived in the West Bank for almost thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you stop by explaining to us what this new

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<v Speaker 1>death penalty law is and why are some experts saying

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be used against Palestinians but not Israelis who are

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of similar crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, you don't need experts to know that this law

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<v Speaker 3>only applies to Palestinians. First of all, Israeli Jews who

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<v Speaker 3>live in the West Bank are under Israeli civil law,

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<v Speaker 3>not military law, and if they commit a felony or

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<v Speaker 3>a crime, they are being prosecuted in Israeli civil courts,

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<v Speaker 3>not military courts. So this is one thing. The second

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<v Speaker 3>thing is that in Israel proper, the Israeli civil court

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<v Speaker 3>is mandated two sentenced to death anybody who committed the

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<v Speaker 3>crime of murder and terror in the intent to deny

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<v Speaker 3>the existence of Israel, of the state of Israel. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is kind of a code, a euphemism for saying

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<v Speaker 3>that this is only a Palestinian can intense ufter thing

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<v Speaker 3>and not a Jew. And the government of this state

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<v Speaker 3>are boasting about the law that they have passed or

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<v Speaker 3>have accepted, this law of death penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>So how would these executions be carried out by hanging?

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<v Speaker 4>Those convicted have to be hanged within ninety days without

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<v Speaker 4>the possibility of an appeal.

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<v Speaker 3>The guards of the Israeli prison service are supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>hang them. They will be there and they will be hooded,

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<v Speaker 3>they will be their faces will be covered. They will

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<v Speaker 3>not be seen by the doctors who will be present

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<v Speaker 3>or the other official that will be present. They will

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<v Speaker 3>not be known or seen.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you look at the wording of the text,

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<v Speaker 4>it talks about those convicted of killing Israelis with the

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<v Speaker 4>quote intent to negate the existence of the state of Israel,

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<v Speaker 4>meaning it won't apply to extremist Israelis who kill Palestinians

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<v Speaker 4>like we've been seeing recently in the West Bank for example.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this law was passed through the Israeli kannessed by

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his ruling coalition. How

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<v Speaker 1>are they justifying the law and how much support for

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<v Speaker 1>it is there in wide or Israeli society.

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<v Speaker 3>The main argument that they give is that this law

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<v Speaker 3>is supposed to deter Palestinians from committing theorist the texts.

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<v Speaker 5>As they are called in Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>In a recorded message that Israeli citizens have received, including myself,

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<v Speaker 3>over the phone, we heard the voice, the very cheerful

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<v Speaker 3>voice of the Minister of National Security it Am Bevis

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<v Speaker 3>where he said he was proud about the passing of

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<v Speaker 3>this law that his party were promoting for several years.

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<v Speaker 6>Already they've already started ordering red uniforms, that opening a

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<v Speaker 6>death throw wing setting up a facility, because you need

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<v Speaker 6>to have a facility.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that this law will make Israel more secure,

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<v Speaker 3>moral and more just. These are his words, but this

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<v Speaker 3>is complete nonsense, because many of the Palestinians who do

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<v Speaker 3>resort to very extreme acts of killing are known to

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<v Speaker 3>be ready to die.

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<v Speaker 5>Death does not deter them.

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<v Speaker 3>Even those who throw stones know that now soldiers are

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<v Speaker 3>very likely to shoot at them and to kill them.

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<v Speaker 7>Settlers are being emboldened, they are taking matters into their

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<v Speaker 7>own hands, and that they are being protected effectively by

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<v Speaker 7>the military and by the police.

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<v Speaker 3>Or even if they don't throw anything and are just

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<v Speaker 3>demonstrating the Israeli rules of engagement now are so lenient

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<v Speaker 3>that a soldier or a policeman can shoot it a

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<v Speaker 3>car full of civilians and then say I felt threatened

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<v Speaker 3>and that it will.

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<v Speaker 7>Be excused grief and fury in the occupied West Bank,

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<v Speaker 7>as mourners took to the streets of Tamen on Sunday

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<v Speaker 7>to bury a family of four shot dead by Israeli

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<v Speaker 7>forces while driving through their own village.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, as for the number of people who support it,

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen polls that are connected to the law

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<v Speaker 3>that has just been passed. But in November twenty five,

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<v Speaker 3>eighty percent of the people asked, and I believe that

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<v Speaker 3>these are Jews who were asked, supported the death penalty

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<v Speaker 3>to the Nuba members. This is the unit that perpetuated

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<v Speaker 3>the onslot on October seventh, Hamas unit, but the law

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<v Speaker 3>that was past does not apply to them because it

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<v Speaker 3>is not retroactive. So what I see in this law

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<v Speaker 3>is mostly a manifestation of revenge and intimidation and terrorizing

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<v Speaker 3>the Palestinians, not really the terms of terror and the mirror.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that this issue of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>jails is also at the core of Palestinian national identity.

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<v Speaker 1>One in five Palestinians has been inside and Israeli jailed

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<v Speaker 1>one time or another. So how is this law being

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<v Speaker 1>received across the West Bank? Or is it a case

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<v Speaker 1>that Palestinians right now have focused on much more immediate

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<v Speaker 1>problems settler violence and land grabs, that the law hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>registered so much.

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<v Speaker 5>Both of true.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there were demonstrations in several cities, also in

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<v Speaker 3>Ghaza and in the West Bank.

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<v Speaker 5>Hundreds of protesters have taken to the street across the

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<v Speaker 5>Palestinian territories that after Israel's parliament passed a measure establishing

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<v Speaker 5>the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 3>People are alarmed, of course, because if there was any

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<v Speaker 3>hope until October seven of prisoners and their families to

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<v Speaker 3>be released, the only hopes were either political agreement that

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<v Speaker 3>has become more and more impossible in the last fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>or twenty years even and the other option was an

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<v Speaker 3>operation of taking soldiers as prisoners or others, and this

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<v Speaker 3>has failed, as we see.

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<v Speaker 5>After October seven, because the price.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the Palestinian society, and especially the Palestinian society in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 3>the price that they had to pay for the few

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds of prisoners who were released, was far too high

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<v Speaker 3>for people to support it. Now.

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<v Speaker 8>But looking at the breakdown of the data from the

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<v Speaker 8>Health Ministry as of January twenty sixth, let's take a look.

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<v Speaker 8>You'll see that they that seventy one thousand, six hundred

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<v Speaker 8>and sixty people have been killed at least one hundred

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<v Speaker 8>seventy one thousand, four hundred and nineteen Palestinians have been injured,

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<v Speaker 8>many with life altering wounds. That's one out of every

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<v Speaker 8>fourteen people in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that right now this best penalty shows that

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<v Speaker 3>Israel is getting more and more extreme in its policies

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<v Speaker 3>towards the Palestinians. It comes together with all the other

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<v Speaker 3>policies of economical strangulation of conditions in prisons that are

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<v Speaker 3>really statistic.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have any other world for this.

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<v Speaker 8>This is an analysis in October of last year that

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<v Speaker 8>argue that the real number as of October of twenty

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<v Speaker 8>twenty five, of course, was closer to one hundred thirty

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<v Speaker 8>thousand people killed.

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<v Speaker 3>More and more annexation of lend inside the West Bank.

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<v Speaker 9>In August, the Israeli government announced plans to proceed with

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<v Speaker 9>East Or E one, a plan to build thirty four

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<v Speaker 9>hundred homes for Israeli settlers on Palestinia territory that would

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<v Speaker 9>essentially split the occupied West Bank in two of.

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<v Speaker 3>Taking the half of the of the Gaza strip and

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<v Speaker 3>actually concentrating the whole population in half of the territory

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<v Speaker 3>that was anyway so small before October twenty three.

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<v Speaker 10>It is a landscape of complete and utter devastation. Very

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<v Speaker 10>hard to see a single building that hasn't either been

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<v Speaker 10>destroyed or blown up. And there are no civilians, no

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<v Speaker 10>signs of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes together with the unchecked a text of settlers

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<v Speaker 3>against Palestinians, a text that brought to the expulsion of

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of Palestinians in the last two or three years,

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<v Speaker 3>and also before service of October. So everything is so intimidating.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what's so frightening that it's a society that

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<v Speaker 3>in its most part stands behind the government, the most

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<v Speaker 3>extreme right wing government ever and support it.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up as the world focuses on Iran, has Gaza

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<v Speaker 1>in the West Bank been forgotten? Amera Even before the

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<v Speaker 1>war in Gaza started after October seven, Israeli settlements had

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<v Speaker 1>been expanding. And this year we also had the Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>government introduce some new laws which activists say have strengthened

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<v Speaker 1>Israel's legal control over the West Bank and weakened the

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian authority. And they've also made it easier for Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>settlers to buy land. Israel's Cabinet on Sunday voted in

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<v Speaker 1>favor of beginning a process of land registration for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time since nineteen sixty seven. So what's happening there now.

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<v Speaker 3>All of the same and more than that. And actually

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<v Speaker 3>what is happening since before October seven, but more so

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<v Speaker 3>after October seven, is the carrying out of the execution

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<v Speaker 3>of a plan that the Israeli Minister of Finance now

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<v Speaker 3>and he is also in the Ministry of Defense. This

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<v Speaker 3>is Betal Smotrich. And in his plan, which he called

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<v Speaker 3>the Decisive Plan, he gave Palestinians three options, after stating

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<v Speaker 3>that Palestinians will never be allowed to exercise their national

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<v Speaker 3>rights inside the land between the river and the sea.

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<v Speaker 11>When I published the Decisive Plan and later another chapter

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<v Speaker 11>about Gaza, I wrote that we would have to conquer Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>One is to accept this reality of no national rights

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<v Speaker 3>and that they will actually be second or third, or

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<v Speaker 3>fourth or fifth great subjects in Israel, greater Israel between

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<v Speaker 3>the river and the sea. The second option, the one

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<v Speaker 3>that he prefers, is that they will emigrate outside of

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<v Speaker 3>the country.

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<v Speaker 5>And the third option, if they.

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<v Speaker 3>Rejected the two first ones, is that the army and

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<v Speaker 3>the Israeli security authorities will show them.

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<v Speaker 5>We know how to deal with them.

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<v Speaker 11>We will settle Gaza. We will apply sovereignty in Judea

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<v Speaker 11>and Samaria. Yes, and we will encourage the immigration of

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<v Speaker 11>the enemy out of here. There is no other solution.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, on top of this, about half a year ago

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<v Speaker 3>he came out with the map. He showed a map

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<v Speaker 3>of the West Bank with the six enclaves. These six enclavism,

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm not mistaken, comprise eighteen percent of the land

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<v Speaker 3>of the West Bank, and that's where Palestinians are supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be. And this is the process which is happening now.

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<v Speaker 3>Palestinians are being chased out of the majority of the

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<v Speaker 3>territory of the West Bank into those enclaves, which means

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<v Speaker 3>he is creating smaller Gaza strips in the West Bank

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<v Speaker 3>which are supposed to be densely populated by police, stingians.

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<v Speaker 3>No land, no in argriculture, nothing will be just six

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<v Speaker 3>huge how could they call it concentration caps.

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<v Speaker 5>People will hang me for this, but these.

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<v Speaker 3>Are areas where Palestinians will be concentrated, so that the

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<v Speaker 3>majority of the seventy two percent of the West Bank

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<v Speaker 3>will be free for Jewish settlement. This is what is

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<v Speaker 3>being carried out now.

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<v Speaker 1>So Amera we know that the world's now focused on Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you see anything changing on the ground in

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<v Speaker 1>the West Bank or do you think it's more likely

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<v Speaker 1>that while the international communities occupied elsewhere, it's looking away

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<v Speaker 1>that we see Israel continue to change laws to strengthen

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<v Speaker 1>its control and, as its critics say, to give settlers

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<v Speaker 1>a free reign in the West Bank.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the settlers. The free rend that the settlers

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<v Speaker 3>have is because the state is behind them, So we

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<v Speaker 3>should not see the settlers as something set rate. Look.

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<v Speaker 3>I usually say that I don't like to give prophecies,

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<v Speaker 3>but it seems that right now the world really doesn't listen.

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<v Speaker 3>Israel is really committing so many crimes and violations and

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<v Speaker 3>enhancing its expulsion policy, then the Palestinians rightly feel completely

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<v Speaker 3>orphaned or abandoned by the international community. There are voices,

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<v Speaker 3>the are movements that understand the danger that Israel puts

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<v Speaker 3>the whole world with these policies. But of course, when

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<v Speaker 3>we are still under the shadow of Trump, it's very

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<v Speaker 3>hard to think about the West Bank or to pay

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<v Speaker 3>attention to the West Bank and Gaza, and to Palestinians

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<v Speaker 3>in Israel too that are exposed to Israeli more and

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<v Speaker 3>more racist laws and policies. Right now, what I see

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<v Speaker 3>is a very very blik future.

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<v Speaker 1>Amira, Thank you for joining us today.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news, Iran has dismissed a Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>declaration that the US will soon begin blockading ships entering

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<v Speaker 1>or leaving the Strait of hor Moves after peace talks

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<v Speaker 1>between American and Iranian negotiators collapsed over the weekend. Trump

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<v Speaker 1>said the US Navy would stop any and all ships

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<v Speaker 1>from passing through the crucial trade route. Iran is warning

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<v Speaker 1>that any military vessels approaching the strait would be dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with severely, while the Speaker of Parliament says Tehran will

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<v Speaker 1>not surrender under threats, and Pauline Hansen says a convicted

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<v Speaker 1>rapist who'd been working as One Nation's campaign manager has

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<v Speaker 1>now been sacked. Sean Black was jailed for raping twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen and rehired by the two years later after serving

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<v Speaker 1>his sentence. One Nation had come under attack after Coalition

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<v Speaker 1>figures raised questions about Black, but Hansen says she'd received

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<v Speaker 1>no internal complaints and that he'd done a great job

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<v Speaker 1>since returning to One Nation. I'm Nicole Johnston and this

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<v Speaker 1>is seven am. Thanks for listening,