1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Liberty Media, the same powerhouse befind behind Sorry, Formula Ones 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Global Transformation has officially acquired MotoGP from Dawna for a 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: whopping three point two billion euros. So what did this 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: really mean for the sport that we love. Well, we're 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: gonna unpack what Liberty could bring to the table, what 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: moto GP desperately needs, What should we be excited about 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: and what should we be cautious of. This episode of 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Pittalk is sponsored by Shannon's Insurance. I'm your host Rinita 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: Vanmuelin alongside Moto GP, Jurno and statman veteran Matt Clayton. 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: And joining us today is a man who's been in 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: the trenches all round every round this season. Oh, I'm 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: already off to a good start because I'm so excited. 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: Simon Patterson from the Races joining us. Simon, welcome to 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: pit Talk. 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Pleasure to be with you, guys. 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: It's about tayme. We all finally actually sat down together 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 2: and did this, isn't it? Because we've it for long enough, 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: we've spent looks time together in it and you've been 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: over in Europe and so it's good to actually fainally 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: be you know, opinion edited together. 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 3: This is the official podcast before the unofficial podcast that 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: happens in some desk and the Philip Island Press roo 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: a bit about two months time, which is probably not 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: for publication for anyone long. 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 4: I know, it's crazy, crazy. 26 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: Right before we get stuck in, though, Matt, I think 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: we need to give like a bit of context to 28 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: our listeners, a bit background, because we know you here 29 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: as a stats man the journal, like I said on 30 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: pit Talk, but you've actually been around f one before 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: it was even on Netflix, So you are. 32 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 4: Not that old amazing that Netflix didn't invent formula? What 33 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 4: is it. 34 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 3: I'm not going to ask you how old they didn't, apparently, Roonita, 35 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 3: I'm not going to ask you how old slash young 36 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 3: you were when I did my very first Grand Prix. 37 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: But it was in. 38 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety eight, so I'm not sure you would have 39 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 3: made it through the gates with the press pass back 40 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: in those days. But it's been super interesting, you know, 41 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: all jokes asider because I feel like I'm living at 42 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 3: this liberty story for a second time, because it was 43 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: eight years ago that they first became involved in formula. 44 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 3: If anyone knows anything about F one. In the years 45 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: prior to that, it was, as Mark Weber used to say, 46 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 3: it's Bernie Eckleston's train set. 47 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 4: We're just playing with it. 48 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 3: And that was the way Mark always used to describe 49 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: Formula one, and it was very much. It was run 50 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: in such a different way, an unrecognizable way, than it 51 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: is now. You look at what's happened to F one 52 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: just in the last eight years since Liberty's been involved, 53 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 3: there's a lot of good that's come out of that. 54 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that rusted on fans turned 55 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 3: media people that are of a certain vintage, shall we say, 56 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 3: probably don't like about the way that Liberty's gone about it. 57 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: I'll be super curious to see knowing Motor GP as 58 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: I do, but seeing the Liberty experience from the F 59 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: one side as I have, I'll be super curious to 60 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 3: see what translates, what doesn't work, what they'll do the same, 61 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: what they'll learn from with what they did with F one, 62 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 3: and what they'll do differently. The next few years is 63 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 3: going to be super interesting. I feel like I'm watching 64 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: a movie that I've already watched once before, but I'm 65 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: not quite sure. I remember how it ends, so that's 66 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: going to be the interesting part about it for me. 67 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: Yes there is some content ext and yes you made 68 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 3: the old joke Guilty has charged. Someone's got to be 69 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 3: the Sadia figure on this podcast, and it most will 70 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 3: be made. 71 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: I love the fact that, like you just said, the movie, 72 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: and the first thing I thought about was the fact 73 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: that Happy Gilmore two has just been released on them. 74 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: That's obviously on my mind. But let's not talk about 75 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: Adam Sandler and Gold. Let's talk about Moto GP. So Simon, 76 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: I want to hear from you, because obviously you're in 77 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: the paddy. What's their general mood among teams and writers 78 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: since the whole Liberty takee I've always confirmed. 79 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: So first of all, no one really knows what's going 80 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: to come yet, right, that's the thing. We've seen what 81 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: they've done with that one, but we know that the 82 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: model is maybe not necessarily just copy and piste. So 83 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: people are expecting definitely things that have been done in 84 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: F one to be done, but not all of them. 85 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: So it's not going to be just oh, look, this 86 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: is exactly what they did. This is exactly what we're 87 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: going to do now as a. 88 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 5: Result, so there's going to be you know, people are 89 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 5: still curious about what actual ship it's going to take. 90 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: There hasn't been any Liberty people in the paddock yet 91 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: since the takeover. We think that's probably because the round 92 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: after the takeover was like Saxon Ring and Bruneau, which 93 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: are two of the least glamorous paddocks. 94 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 5: In the championship, and we think they've. 95 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: Probably held off on telling Liberty to turn up until 96 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: we go to the Red Bull Ring at the next round, 97 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: which is like the greatest facility that we have, and 98 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: it's the fau Bels and Whistles experience. So we think 99 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: that we're probably going to see some Americans rock up 100 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: in the paddock at the next round, the first one 101 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 2: back after the summer break. But the general consensus seems 102 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: to be that this can only be good because, you know, fundamentally, 103 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: we have an amazing product. 104 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 5: Motegip is. 105 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, there's a bit of a lull at the 106 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: minute as we wait for the new rules to come 107 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: in with the on track action, but by and large, 108 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: it is an excellent product. What you see whenever you 109 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: watch it is super entertaining. It hooks people in it 110 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: draws people in, but don't know have been really bad at. 111 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 5: The bit where they get new people to watch it. 112 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: There has been a you know, not very good marketing 113 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: strategy built around the sport, and I think that is 114 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 2: where Liberty really changed things in F one. And it's 115 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: the kind of the low hanging fruit for whenever they 116 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: come into motor GP. Someone told me recently that whenever 117 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: they took over Formula one, the marketing department in FOM, 118 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: the company that runs F one was four people and 119 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: the first thing they did was hire another one hundred 120 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: and sixty. And that's the kind of attitude that the 121 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: motor GP. I think that the murdor GP paddock thinks 122 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: that MURDUGP needs it needs. 123 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 5: That kick up. 124 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: The asset needs to be shown to more people because, 125 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: you know, without turning this into motorbike journalist bash is 126 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: car racing. When you watch an F one car go 127 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: around a track, it's all right, it's cool, but you 128 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: can't really see the driver. They're very enclosed, even more 129 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: so with the halo these days. Then you watch a 130 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: motorbike go around a track and the guy's hanging off 131 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: at knee down, elbow done. You know, everything is more 132 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: visually spectacular. It should be an easy cell, especially with 133 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: the short you know, the short eRASS and the attention 134 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: span of you know, our current screen addle generation of yours. 135 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 5: It should work. All the pieces are there and we 136 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 5: just need Liberty to work their magic. Hopefully. 137 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it should actually work better in some respects of 138 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: the FI model for a couple of things that you 139 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: just said there, there is that there is something quite 140 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: visceral about being able to translate the on track action 141 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 3: live from a Motor GP event that Formula One will 142 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: never replicate, and that is because you see the human 143 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: element of it there there in the bikes occupy a 144 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: smaller space of tarmac. The stage is bigger for them 145 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: to show what it is that they can do and 146 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: you can actually see the people. Now the flip side 147 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 3: to that is a performance element to it. If we 148 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 3: go to some of the similar circuits that the two 149 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: series go, so you think of Catalonia or I can 150 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: tell you Simon, there's nothing quite like standing on the 151 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: outside of turn three at Barcelona watching a Formula one 152 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: card just completely lit going through there with barely a 153 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 3: lift of the throttle. It doesn't look like a human 154 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: should be able to control. That is quite staggering when 155 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: you see that. But there are certain tracks and the 156 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: way these races are played out over such a short 157 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: intense time frame that translates brilliantly to a story, A 158 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: great story being told better is the way I always 159 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: like to describe it. And to my mind, you know, 160 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: it's hard for us because we're in it and we 161 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: live it and we breathe it. But Motor GP is 162 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: kind of world sport's best kept secret in a lot 163 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: of ways because it's got every element you would want, 164 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: but perhaps not the storytelling that you need to get 165 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: that out to that wider audience. But Redtter, I'm actually 166 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: going to ask you a question. I want to go 167 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 3: slightly off script here. We want to ask into questions. 168 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: I'm going to ask you one for a change, because 169 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: this is your domain. We are simon how it's been 170 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: felt in the paddock with the news of liberty coming in. 171 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: So you know, you live in this social media space, 172 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: this is what you do. What is the reaction from 173 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: the rusted on bike fans because I would suggest that 174 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: they're probably a little wary, maybe a little skeptical, And 175 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say gatekeeping is quite the right term, but 176 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: it's like, we don't want some of the elements that 177 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: Formula one has become to come into our inverted Kova's sport. 178 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: What's the general sort of reaction in the social space 179 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: being like, because it's not a space that I tend 180 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: to occupy too much because I'm too old that can't 181 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: be bothered, and Simon drops in and out of it, 182 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: mostly when he's sparring with people who are probably calling 183 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: him names on social media. So, given you all the 184 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: most neutral of the three of us in this conversation, 185 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: what is it actually like? Like, what are we hearing 186 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: from the fans? 187 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: I think MODOGIP fans are so serious about the sport. 188 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily about the hype and the glamour like 189 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: what we've experienced with F one, So I feel like 190 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: what a lot of the content that translates from F 191 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: one is a lot of the who witch drivers dating 192 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: this person? Then what's happening off track? It's all of 193 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: the tabloids and the gossipy type stuff. MotoGP seems to 194 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: still just be about the racing or the manufacturer or 195 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: the technology that's coming in now. I don't necessarily know 196 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: if it's going to correlate across because I feel like 197 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: most of the demographic who are fans of Moto GP 198 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: either a because they ride a bike so they're interested 199 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: in it, or they're the older generation. And I'm not 200 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: trying to say anything about age. I feel really bad 201 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: now because it just seems to keep coming up in 202 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: our conversation. But I think of people like my dad 203 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: and my uncles are those sorts of guys who rode 204 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: bikes with their kids and then followed along through the 205 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, and now it's kind of continued the 206 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: ROSSI fans have come in. So I'm really going to 207 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: be interested to see if that whole glitzy glamour a 208 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: sort of content translates across. But what I do think 209 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: would be really cool to see is the personalities and 210 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: the characters come through, like what we do see in 211 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: F one and what Drives Survived did brilliantly. I know 212 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: you worked with Daniel Ricardo a lot of Matt, so 213 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: you know Daniel as a person, and then you see 214 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: Daniel who's on the TV show, it's his character. It's 215 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: this goofiness. Jack Miller's kind of done it. I feel 216 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: like my brother did a little bit back in the 217 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: day with the bucket hats, trying to create that like 218 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: personal branding. So I think if we can see a 219 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: little bit more of that style of staff come through, 220 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: then I think it'll be cool. But then this is 221 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: where I'm going to kind of pivots assignmon because I 222 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: have this opinion. But you know, all the VR forty 223 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: six guys, they're all like friends, right, so there's we're 224 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: not going to see too much of that head budding. 225 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: But then there's Pedro Poster who wants to create this, right. 226 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely there's people in monigp Crowno for a 227 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: platform for ravalies. 228 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 5: There is, and I. 229 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: Mean the other thing, not even the raiders though before 230 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 2: we even look at them. You know, I think part 231 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: of what mid Drive to survived so interesting was the 232 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: ravelry between the teams. 233 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 5: Yes, you know, if you were to. 234 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 2: Say who is the biggest raveler, who was until recently 235 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: the biggest ravelry in F one, it probably wasn't Lewis 236 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: Hamilton versus Max fist Up, and it was total war 237 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: versus Christian owner. And that's something that Drive to Survive 238 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: really magnified. One thing that's super interesting about this whole 239 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: like tvsque situation that they've created and f one is 240 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: that it's looking more and more likely that sort of 241 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: one of the breakout stars of Drive to Survive is 242 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: already on his way to the Motorjip Baddock because former 243 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: HAS team boss gunther Steiner has been linked to taking 244 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: over the Tech three Motorji beating because Hervey Pontrell is 245 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: ready to retire and sell up. So like, there's your 246 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: immediate way to hook these fans across, isn't it. You 247 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: Just you don't even pretend you're trying to do something different. 248 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 2: You make a Motorgip documentary and you call it Right 249 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: to Survive. You don't have to pretend that you're doing 250 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: anything else, and you you launch this kind of spiky, 251 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: outspoken character into the middle of the team bosses, and 252 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: that's going to create something, because we already see little 253 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: flickers of that with you know, Honda and Kate Hamer 254 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: always taking shots at each other subtly, and they you know, 255 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: Caddy Gigi sitting and his pedestal attacking everyone below him 256 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: with his rule changes, and there's lots of drama in 257 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: murugp and that side of things. And then you've got 258 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: writers who you know, there's certainly writers who want to 259 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: create a bit of drama or who aren't afraid of 260 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: creating a bit of drama. Mark Marquez would punch his 261 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: grandmother to win a championship, let alone one of his. 262 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 5: Rivals, because that's just who he is, and we will 263 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 5: see more of that. 264 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: There's people like Pedro Acosta, who is very outspoken and 265 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: opinionated and not afraid to say, you know, what he 266 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: feels about his rivals. 267 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 5: But I also think that. 268 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: There's there's guys in MUDUGIP like Jack Miller who are 269 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: smart enough to also understand the opportunity that this presents 270 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: to maybe lay it on a bit thicker than they 271 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: would normally. And I'm not saying that Jack's character is 272 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 2: an act, because we all here and know what Jack 273 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: is like, and he is exactly like he comes across. 274 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: But there, you know, there are opportunities to maybe just 275 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 2: be a bit. 276 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 5: Stronger with some of the things that they see. 277 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: And do I know multiple people in modern GP who 278 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 2: don't really like each. 279 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 5: Other, Tim Metz Ravels. 280 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: You know people who come up against each other on track, 281 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: but It almost feels like there's not a platform for 282 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: them to dislike each other publicly at the minute, and 283 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: that's something that Liberty will, I am certain, build for them. 284 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's where the difference is to me, Simon, 285 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 3: and I think that Drive to Survive created the platform 286 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: for some of these rivalries that may have been rivalries 287 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: in lower case to step forward into the spotlight. I 288 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 3: mean the Christian Horner Toto Wolfing. You've got two alpha 289 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: males that are very successful in their business lives. They're 290 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 3: probably going to look at each other with a fair 291 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: amount of suspicion interrepidation. 292 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: But we didn't have the. 293 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: Forum to know about that in the past, Whereas I 294 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 3: feel a similar series for bikes, there are these things 295 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 3: that simmer, but perhaps there's not the platform to push 296 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 3: them out. But I'm curious with this for me and 297 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: that I think a lot of people on the bike side, 298 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: they see Liberty met and they almost see that as 299 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 3: shorthand for Ride to Survive or whatever we're going to 300 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: call this fictious series we're talking about. Do you think 301 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: it's not as simple as that? Is it like we 302 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: don't necessarily have to have one and we have to 303 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: have one now. But do you think that's an inevitable 304 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: byproduct of liberty taking over here, or perhaps is there 305 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: a different playbook given the sports and their audiences are 306 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: so different that Liberty need to follow at the moment. 307 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: I don't think it's just a matter of getting a 308 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: few boom mics in the paddock for a year and 309 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 3: filming everybody's offhand conversations, creating a few faux conversations, and 310 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: then badging it as something else. I think bikes people 311 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: on principle would probably bristle against that. 312 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: I think that there will have to be a documentary series, okay, 313 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: in some shape or form, simply because it is it's 314 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: the standard iron sports. Because of drafts of ave you know, 315 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: sex Nations, Ugly, a turd of France's America's Cup. 316 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 5: They have all got these documentary series. 317 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: Built our own, you know, kind of behind the scenes 318 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: access because of what Liberty is dead. So I think 319 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: that there will be there's an inevitability that the mortigp 320 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: will have to do something similar. I mean, ever, for 321 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: no other reason than to repair the damage did by 322 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: their previous attempt. Oh my god, it was going to 323 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: go for a documentary series ever met, so it has. 324 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 5: To be done. 325 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: I went looking for some old clips of Motor GP Unlimited, 326 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: and I gave up after the second one I found 327 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 3: where they had spelt Mark Marquez's first name incorrectly, But 328 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: that's another story in the actual caption. So that was 329 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 3: that wasn't a great start. But what do you think, Simon, 330 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: in terms of you know, we know what liberty has done, 331 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: but if they if they phoned you and said, look, Simon, 332 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 3: we'd like you to come, and you know, we'd like 333 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 3: to sit around a table and really pick your brain 334 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: and everything we want to do. We're going to take 335 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: your guidance on this to your mind. Where is it 336 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 3: they make the big, biggest impact? And maybe a second 337 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: question to that, what's the priority here? Because you can't 338 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 3: do everything tomorrow. This needs to be a slow burn 339 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: over a long period of years. And you mentioned twenty 340 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: seven as being this sort of inflection point maybe for 341 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: the sporting part of all of this, because let's be honest, 342 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: the rest of twenty five and twenty six looks like 343 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: a decade benefit and probably a number ninety three benefit 344 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: until we get to the rule changes. So there's this 345 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: natural You've got your feet under the table for eighteen months. 346 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 3: You now know what this sport is. The sporting narrative 347 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 3: might change twenty seven. It might not, but it is 348 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: the possibility that it will. What's the priority do you 349 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: think that what's the lowest of the low hanging fruit 350 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: as you described it, and then what should they be 351 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: looking at doing longer term? 352 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: The thing for me, and this is something that Renida 353 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: has already picked up on. The thing for me that 354 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: Murujip has always done that I don't think is necessarily 355 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: the right approach is with the possible exception to golf, 356 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: I think we're the only other sport in the world 357 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: that markets almost exclusively to the people who take part. 358 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 5: In that sport. 359 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 4: Does it wear absolutely. 360 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: Sell motiv regressing to bakers, And that's as we've seen 361 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: that as a diminishing audience because less people are ratings, 362 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: especially as people are riding sports bikes, and the kind 363 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: of the previous captive audience of the guys who will 364 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: buy what you race. 365 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 5: On us on a Monday aren't there anymore. 366 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: So that to me means we have to look at 367 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 2: open in the audience and that is something that Liberty. 368 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 5: Has done really really well. On F one. You know, the. 369 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: If you enrage the teenage girl fan base of any 370 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: F one driver, you quickly realize how much they've changed 371 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: that audience. 372 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 5: And it's for the better. 373 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I'm using that example because it's 374 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: the way that you see them in their visible But 375 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: it's really cool that there's now a huge broad demographic 376 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: watching motorsport. That's good and I think that that's something 377 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: that we can transfer over fairly easily because we've got 378 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: all the same elements. 379 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 5: One thing that I think really stands. 380 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: Out for me in the short term is you year's 381 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: circuits talking about. 382 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 5: How F one is. 383 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: Is there big cash kind of how you know, like 384 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 2: Silveston this year five hundred and eighty thousand people across 385 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: four days compared to like ninety thousand for Motor GP. 386 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: Circuit of the Americas are bringing in less than forty 387 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 2: thousand people in race day for MUDORGP. They're bringing in 388 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty one hundred and forty thousand for 389 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: F one. So the circuits in some places are already 390 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: have already been positioning Motor GP as a kind of 391 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 2: a oh you can't afford to buy an F one 392 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 2: ticket at one thousand dollars. Would you like a MODORGP 393 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: ticket at one hundred and fifty dollars yep. And we're 394 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: kind of we're really well positioned in the short term 395 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: to be the overflow for the fans who can't afford 396 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: or can't find a way to go and see f 397 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 2: one live. And that seems like a really easy opportunity. 398 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: That seems like a really simple thing for them to 399 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 2: build on as part of a longer term strategy that 400 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: you know, really have to be taken MODERGP to North 401 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: America because that's where the money is, that's where the audience, 402 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 2: where there's a huge audience who loves sports. The problem 403 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: is right now that they can't do anything about that 404 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 2: in the short term because there is the sum total 405 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: of one circle in North America that can host modogyp. 406 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: Well and the other part to me and this is 407 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: something I was going to get on too later, but 408 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 3: we've kind of arrived at it now. There is a 409 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 3: diversity of nationality in Formula one that makes the sport 410 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 3: more global. You look at the current twenty two rider 411 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 3: MotoGP Gridge, You've got fifteen riders from Spain or Italy, 412 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: and some of them are absolutely awesome. Some of them 413 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: I'm not sure they should be a motor GP. That's 414 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: another conversation. But there is a sort of homogeneity to 415 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 3: the driver the rider line up at the moment, and 416 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: I don't want people to be promoted just for the 417 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: sake of the fact that you have, Oh, we need 418 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: this passport and we need this passport and the better 419 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 3: riders aren't going in it. I've always argued that if 420 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 3: you get to MotoGP as a Spanish writer, there's none 421 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: of this Oh it's the Spanish World Championship. Ausly, you 422 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,239 Speaker 3: better be bloody good because there's a lot of good 423 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: Spanish guys that are lining up ready to get in there. 424 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 3: But you know, at the moment, we've got the sub 425 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: total of no Brits, no Americans, and white Australian who 426 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 3: occasionally speaks English, and Jack Miller and any agree with that. 427 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: And so you've got an American media company coming in 428 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 3: trying to sell the sport where you've got one and 429 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 3: a half native English speakers on the grid. Will give 430 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: Brad Binder the Haarf Brother's say much on the best 431 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 3: of times, but you've got a lot of guys who 432 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 3: aren't dealing in their native language here, And I'm wondering 433 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: if a more diverse grid is something that, you know, 434 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: longer term, the sport is going to need, if it's 435 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 3: really going to crack this American market. Because I'm Renda 436 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 3: is putting her hand up here, I'm going to finish 437 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: this point. The Americans love their professional sport, but they're 438 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: not necessarily only loving the American athletes. Because you look, 439 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 3: the best baseball players in the world, there'll be some 440 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 3: Japanese players in there, the best basketball players in the world. 441 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 3: There's nearly triple figures of guys in the NBA that 442 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 3: don't and lots of Australians quite frankly, lot of guys 443 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: from all over the place. So it doesn't necessarily matter 444 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 3: about in their sports if you're the best at what 445 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 3: you do. But I do wonder if a more diverse 446 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: grid is a way of unlocking some of that new audience. 447 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, diverse grid, but just the fact that everyone 448 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: in F one actually speaks English, So every radio calls English. 449 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: Every the green room by they're waiting for the podium 450 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: is in English. Moroto GP are trying to copy it, 451 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you have Matt Bert trying 452 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: to translate, Like for us here in Australia, he's trying 453 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: to translate what they're saying in his limited amount of 454 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: Spanish that he knows. And no offense to Matt and Lewis, 455 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: but it's like, I want to hear. I want to 456 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: hear the emotion of what they're saying, and at least 457 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: the F one drivers they are relaying that because I'm 458 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: guessing they're speaking English in the garages as well. You know, 459 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: most of these teams here not, so I feel like 460 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: that's like the first thing that they need to do. 461 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: If they're going to bring in these radios and stuff 462 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: that they're testing as well, why not have them speak 463 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: in English so that the whole planet can understand and 464 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: hear what these guys are saying. Do you guys agree 465 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: with me on that? 466 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: I follow with people regularly on social media, But the 467 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: Spanish people are about this is such a But the 468 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: reality is that English is the most widely spoken second 469 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: language in the world. It is It is the language 470 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: that if you're in Indonesia or if you're in Argentina, 471 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: you probably speak English is your second language. So it 472 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: makes sense to force them into speaking in English across 473 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 2: the board, and you know that there are factory Moto 474 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: GP writers whose English. 475 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 5: Isn't that good and that's like, oh, guys, like. 476 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 2: That seems like a really you know, that's a low 477 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: hanging for it to pick. 478 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 5: And to be fair to Dorna, they have been working 479 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 5: on that. 480 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: I know that, like the minute that they realized Pedro 481 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: Costa was the next big thing, he was basically forced 482 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: into Dorna organized and paid for English lessons that paid off. 483 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 5: So they are aware of that, and it's. 484 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 2: You know, it's an obvious one because the Spanish grid 485 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: that we have is frustrating and I have to say, 486 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: I have to say it is more frustrating to Dorna 487 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: than anyone else and it is annuinely. 488 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 5: I know there's a. 489 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 2: Perception about it's a Spanish championship and it's easier to 490 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 2: be to get promoted if you're Spanish, but that is 491 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: despite their best efforts to fix it. You know that 492 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 2: you look at the amount of money that they've spent 493 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 2: that they spend from Mini GP Championship to Asia Talent 494 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: Cup to running the Junior GP series and Spain, you 495 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: know this system to bring up kids some countries that 496 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 2: are not Spain Italy, and we're starting to see the 497 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: effects of it. You know, Iagura arriving Amotor GP is 498 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: the first kind of Asia Town Cup star to come through. 499 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 2: There are other kids we've seen who I'm watching coming 500 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: through the pipeline. You know, there's a couple of a 501 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 2: couple of quick Aussies in Red Bull Rookies, for example, 502 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: Carter Thompson, who's who's come up through the ranks of 503 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: Asia Talent Cup. And I think the problem that we 504 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: have right now maybe is that Dorner realized about five 505 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: or six years ago that they really needed to do 506 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: something to fix this. We're only now starting to see 507 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: the first payoffs of that, but it's going to take 508 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: another favorite six years to really change the structure of 509 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: the grid. 510 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, if this was twenty twenty right now and we're 511 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: having this same discussion, then that we'd actually been a 512 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: good place. It needs to catch up. I completely agree. 513 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: But the sentiment is there and they have acknowledged it. 514 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: It was just maybe a little bit too late. But Simon, 515 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 3: I did want to ask you in terms of you 516 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: mentioned the size of the crowds where we go to 517 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 3: the same circuit like Silverston and Kota. And the one 518 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: that always comes to me is there is one motor 519 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 3: GP event that basically runs like a Formula One event 520 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 3: in terms of what it has on the side. It's 521 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: not just you turn up and watch bikes go around 522 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 3: in circles for three days. There's a festival with a 523 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 3: bike race in the middle of it. And I'm talking 524 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 3: about Lemon. And you see the crowds at the French 525 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: GP every year, that's matter what the weather is, and 526 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: the weather's usually crap, let's be honest, but you see 527 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 3: the way they turn up and they show out and 528 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: they make that event unlike anything else for our Australian 529 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: viewers that may not know the full story of that event. 530 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: Give us a bit of background as to how that's 531 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: organized and the promoter it does an amazing job, as 532 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: we know. But do you think that is the template 533 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: that Liberty will look at and go, oh, this is 534 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: what we need to do because this is repeatable across 535 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: most of our other circuits if we get this right. 536 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: First of all, I should probably say this is not 537 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 2: the podcast to bash the Lemon where they're given the 538 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: rimulant family history at Lamon and the Ruin Well very true. Yes, 539 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 2: Lamine is run by a crazy little Frenchman called Claude 540 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 2: Michet who has like fingers and lots of sports pays, 541 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: owns a professional football team, runs a couple of endurance races. 542 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 5: Ron's Lamon and you. 543 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: Know, Liberty should probably just offer him a blank check 544 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: to come and work for them because of the job 545 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 2: that he does in promoting the sport. They you know, 546 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: the Lemon Weekend starts now on a Monday because they 547 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 2: open the campusites in a Monday and they start to 548 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 2: fill them from Monday and then there's something on stage. 549 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 2: Basically all weekend there is always entertainment happening. There is 550 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: these mad parties in the camp sites. There are you 551 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: know the this year. For the last few years actually 552 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: they've done a live broadcast from pitt Lane and the 553 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 2: Start Finished Grid on French National TV on a Thursday night, 554 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 2: and I think this year they said they had twelve 555 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: thousand people in the grand stands for it. 556 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 4: Wow. 557 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: Okay, so you know, and that because I think that 558 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: goes out free to air. So imagine whenever you put 559 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: you on Zarco and Fabio Corduao on the Start finished 560 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: grid with twelve thousand people on the grandstand and you're 561 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 2: able to interview them and have them ride bikes and 562 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 2: normally Fabio does a special home livery that he unveils 563 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 2: as part of it, and you know, it's it's an 564 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: awesome event. But it's really worth noting that Lemon has 565 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: been like this since long before they had two fast 566 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: frenchmen on the grid. 567 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 5: This, you know, it's not linked to the Zarko Corduadro effect. 568 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: Because it goes back before that to just a really 569 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: good event where you know, I am absolutely certain there 570 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: are people who go to the French Grand Prio and 571 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: never see a motorbike contract because you can go for 572 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 2: the weekend and be a part of this crazy kind 573 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: of almost music festival and just enjoy yourself without actually 574 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: even caring about the racing or having to go and 575 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: see the racing. The only place in Europe I've ever 576 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: been that's anything like it is the eleman Tt in 577 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: terms of this big festival atmosphere. It's completely unique in 578 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: motor GP and it has to be at least part 579 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: of the model because then you look at other events 580 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 2: like I'm coming back to buy Silverstone again, but Silverstone 581 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: this year accidentally, without realizing, scheduled the race during the 582 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 2: TT and the number one impact that it had was 583 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: that all the sort of cool live stuff that Monster 584 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: Energy in particular have done in the past, all the 585 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 2: stunt shows in the drift car and all we're on 586 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: the aid of Man and suddenly there was no fan entertainment. 587 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: And you know it when you only have three championships 588 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 2: and when you come from you know, like a lot 589 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: of British fans do come from British Super Break Championship, 590 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: but there's maybe fourteen races in a day, and then 591 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: there's three races in a day at the British Grand Prix. 592 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: You need to buff that out. You need to fill 593 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: in around it. You need to entertain people with more 594 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: than just bike racing. You need to give them value 595 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: for their money. Lamon is very good at that. 596 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 5: I'd say they're the best in the business of that. 597 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 2: It looks like some of the F one races are 598 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: doing a good job of that as well, and that 599 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: to me is kind of a model to build on well. 600 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: And Renata from your point of view, I mean, you've 601 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: only recently sort of been in the F one space 602 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 3: over the past couple of years with Fox and you've 603 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: come down to Albert Park, which let's remember it is 604 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 3: a semi permanent street circuit in a public park, so 605 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 3: it's not even a permanent facility. You cannot believe what 606 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: that event has turned into. It is absolutely wild with 607 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 3: the stage and the bands and all the other activities 608 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: and never mind what's going on track. It's sort of 609 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 3: turned into the equivalent of the horse racing spring racing 610 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 3: Carnival here in Australia, Simon, and there's lots of people 611 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: that turn up and they will not see a live 612 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 3: car for three days, but they don't care because they 613 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 3: having the time of their lives because there's so much 614 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 3: that's going on. But Ronita, from your point of view, 615 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 3: I mean you've seen what Albert Park has become. I mean, 616 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 3: it's the templates there, isn't it. 617 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: The template is there for sure? For sure. The first 618 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: thing though, that when Simon was talking about Silverstone, so 619 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: I witnessed Silverstone for the British Motorcycle Grand Prix. 620 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 3: Of course, yes, right, yeah. 621 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: So I was there to work for both events. Silverstone 622 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: Moto GP fantastic for me from a working point of view, 623 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: I had some friends out in the fan area, so 624 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: I got to see them. They were telling me how 625 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: cool it was to be able to watch the bikes 626 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: and Bloody Bluff and then went back for the Formula 627 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: One went to arrive and I had to pay for 628 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,239 Speaker 1: for car parking, which is fine, like I'm happy to do, 629 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: but the fact that over the whole weekend it was 630 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: nearly going to cost me four hundred pounds in car 631 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: parking and I'm parking with the spectators, so they're having 632 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: to pay that. So considering the fact that these F 633 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: one fans are spending pretty much their whole entire year's 634 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: savings for a holiday to go watch F one at 635 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: Silverstone is mind blowing that they're doing that. But it's 636 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: not translating over to F one. So if we can 637 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: get that vibe and that build up of people there, 638 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: not saying that people to charge four hundred pounds for parking, 639 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying get the people there because yeah, Albert Park, 640 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: I was in the general fans or own area and 641 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: we had Lune Croisson, so famous Melbourne croissant restaurant. She 642 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: had a pop up stand, Daniel Ricardo had his wine there. 643 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: There was so much going on, there's vibes. Imagine if 644 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: Mark Marquez and Insto three P sixty who I know, 645 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: Simon you work with, they had a pop up stand 646 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: there and they were doing activations and or not. And 647 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: that's probably the biggest take that I took this year 648 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: from attending F one and MotoGP is. I really feel 649 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: like Moto GP could learn from F one with their 650 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: activations for their fans, because, like you said, it's this experience. 651 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: And I thought of Bathurst, because Simon, you're at Bathurst 652 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: last year. 653 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and. 654 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, the guys there, they have their 655 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: tents setup and their costumes and their party and the 656 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: time they're not watching the cars on track either, because 657 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: they're just there for the vibes. So how do we 658 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: bring that to motorcycle racing and Moto GP without losing 659 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: the complexity of the fact that these guys are mustling 660 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: around prototype bikes in near death experiences, in literally sliding 661 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: on asphalt, traveling at stupid speeds. How do we keep 662 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: that seriousness and the complexity and just the rawness of 663 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: the sport but bring in everything else at the same time. 664 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: And Matt, like you said, you witnessed this through F one, 665 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: So how do we do that? How do we do that? 666 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: From your standpoint and my standpoint. 667 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: You've kind of hit upon a bit of the catch 668 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: twenty two, I think. 669 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 5: So I was talking last year at one point. 670 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: We did a podcast together with David Brivio, the track 671 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: house team boss, obviously veteran MDORGP team boss who also 672 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: spent a bit of time at Alpine and F one, 673 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: and he was telling me that we were talking about 674 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 2: the subject actually, and he was telling me that Austria, 675 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: maybe last year, Fernando Alonso came just to spectate a 676 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: motor GP for the day and they were standing in 677 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: the middle of the product together, him and Brevio talking 678 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: and kind of Mark Marquez had came past and had 679 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: stopped to say hello, and you know, Jack Millard compassed 680 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: and stopped to say hello. And because they all know 681 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 2: who Alonso isn't he He's a BUGP fan, so. 682 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 5: We know it's all they are. 683 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 2: And after kind of four or five MOTORGP writers had 684 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: stopped to say hello on their way past, he turned 685 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 2: to Brivio and he said, like, these guys do not 686 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: know how easy their lives are, because there is no 687 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 2: time in my schedule on a F one weekend up 688 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 2: in the padic can say hello to someone because they 689 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: have this crazy schedule of activations and events and promos 690 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: and all this stuff that you know they're doing with 691 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: their sponsors on stage with their team and the MUDIGP 692 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: writers do have an easier time of it. But at 693 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: the same time, no one in F one is getting 694 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: off a free practice session and needing to go immediately 695 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 2: to a physio session because they've fallen off twice one hundred. 696 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 5: Mans an hour. 697 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's always you know, we're going to have 698 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: to find a balance point between the expectations that is 699 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: going to be placed on on MODIGP writers to do 700 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: more of the marketing and pr side of their jobs, 701 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 2: while also remembering the fact that they're doing something. 702 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 5: Really dangerous and that the you know, it. 703 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: Is a physically tougher weekend than it is being an 704 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: F one driver. And no, that's not to get anything 705 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 2: away from F one. I'm just talking about the you know, 706 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: the sheer impact of crashes. 707 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the truth. I mean, there are there are consequences. 708 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: You can absolutely tear all four corners off a Formula 709 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: one car and take the hands device out and go 710 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 3: back and you'll be fine. There are consequences to MotoGP 711 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 3: guys coming off, and you look at weekends. You look 712 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 3: at Mark's weekend in Asen this year. He was very 713 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 3: very close multiple times to severely hurting himself in accidents 714 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 3: that would have had major consequences not just for that 715 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 3: weekend but for others. And he used three of his 716 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 3: nine lives that weekend. He was a very very lucky boy. 717 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 3: Now at the end of the day you look at 718 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: it and say, well, he's got one hundred and twenty 719 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 3: odd point championship lead. 720 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 4: It's all fired. It could have been very, very different. 721 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 3: So there are consequences with that sort of stuff. But 722 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 3: I'm curious, Simon, you mentioned before about that extra workload. 723 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,959 Speaker 3: Now everyone sees Liberty coming in, and you know, it's 724 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 3: like the old the old cashier with the dollar sides 725 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 3: flickering around because everyone can see what it can do 726 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 3: based on what Formula one has done. 727 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 4: How much do you think motor GP. 728 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 3: Is prepared to change the way it works and the 729 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 3: way it goes racing to get access to that pot 730 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 3: of gold that is clearly there at the end of 731 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 3: the rain. 732 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 5: Some of them are very prepared. 733 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 2: Some of the raiders are not because they're greedy, but 734 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 2: just because I think that there's there's a sense at 735 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 2: the minute in motor GP, especially in some of the 736 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 2: traditionally really strong markets, of almost they're they're what's the 737 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: word I'm looking for, they're almost disappointed that they're not 738 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: who they wanted to be when they were kids. 739 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 5: Does that make sense? 740 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 2: And Juan Meir's manager told me once that that is. 741 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: You know, the thing that makes him the most angry 742 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 2: about Dorna is the fact that Juan Mehir can walk 743 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 2: down the street in Madrid and no. 744 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 5: One stops him for a selfie. 745 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 2: The guys in MODIGP weren't champion and in what should 746 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 2: be modigp's biggest market. But you know, that is something 747 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 2: that has really suffered through the kind of universal. 748 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 5: Move to pay per VTV. 749 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 2: You know, we've seen audiences go way down and with 750 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 2: that they've lost some of that brand image recognition and 751 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 2: they want it back. 752 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 5: Definitely. Lots of writers want to be. 753 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 2: You know, they want to be the guy who's who's 754 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 2: you know, dating beautiful supermodels and Monaco and his Lamborghini 755 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 2: and getting pictured in the tabloid magazines doing it because 756 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 2: that's you know. 757 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 5: Everyone wants to be not everyone wants to be that. 758 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: You know, there's certainly I can think of motor GP 759 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 2: writers who would have absolutely detested that casey stoner, But 760 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 2: there's certainly some of them that want to be bigger, 761 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 2: want to be earning more, want to be more famous, 762 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 2: want to be more successful, and the leader exactly. You know, 763 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 2: there are guys that will lean into it, and there 764 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 2: will be guys I think, like we saw initially with 765 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 2: Drive to Survive, there will be guys who got left behind, 766 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 2: who choose to be left behind, like kind of Lewis 767 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 2: Hamilton Wells to an extent, I think in the beginning 768 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 2: of Drivet to Survive. But once once they're teams, once 769 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 2: their employers and their sponsors see that you kind of 770 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 2: have to doing it, there'll. 771 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 5: Be a push where they won't get a choice. 772 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 3: Well, this is where the Driver to Survive thing for me, 773 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 3: they got it was it was a well made series 774 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 3: because it was groundbreaking because no other sport had done 775 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 3: it at that point. We've had a lot of imitators 776 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 3: that have done it since, to various degrees of success 777 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 3: or not where they got super lucky. Formula one was 778 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 3: the first season of Drive to Survive was twenty nineteen. 779 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 3: On the twenty eighteen season, and it was kind of like, 780 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 3: you know, there's a bit of Netflix content. 781 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 4: That's fine. 782 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 3: Ferrari and Mercedes weren't even involved in it. They did 783 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 3: not want any part of the first series of Drive 784 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 3: to Survive. And then, of course the start of twenty 785 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,959 Speaker 3: twenty happens and everyone's I can tell you this, Simon, 786 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 3: because we were there. Everyone's lined up outside the entry 787 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 3: gates at Albert Park for the first race of the 788 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 3: Formula one season and everything goes to shit and we 789 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 3: don't have a Grand Prix and we don't have a 790 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 3: Formula One season and everyone stays home for six months. 791 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 3: But there's twenty episodes of this reality TV. And I 792 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 3: used that term loosely series called Drive to Survive. Everyone's 793 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 3: sitting at home, everyone's bored. Let's watch this. Oh this 794 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 3: is interesting, isn't it. Because we've got no live sport 795 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 3: and you had a captive audience and no live sport. 796 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 3: It was content. It was the perfect content at the 797 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 3: perfect time short of there being another one in one 798 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 3: hundred year pandemic. I think I've lived through the one 799 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 3: in my lifetime, thank you, So I don't want another 800 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 3: one of those motors. REVP is not going to get 801 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 3: that perfect confluence of circumstances to start to build this 802 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 3: brand if that's the Liberty playbook in terms of having 803 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 3: a reality TV series. So you do wonder what it's 804 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 3: going to take if they go down that path to 805 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 3: have this thing kick off and succeed where some of 806 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 3: these other imitators perhaps have not. 807 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 2: I think the thing the opportunity that they have in 808 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 2: that situation, in the situation where Ino is maybe to ignore, 809 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 2: and I hope that Liberty are going to do this. 810 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 2: There's a few things where I hope that they ignore 811 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: what kind of seems like the immediate money mech and 812 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 2: opportunities because its long term is maybe more about official 813 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 2: There was a news story comote this week. 814 00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 5: In the UK that. 815 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 2: The you know, we've always had BBC and then ITV 816 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 2: is the two big broadcast networks here and for the 817 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 2: first time ever in the last kind of month, ITV 818 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 2: has been knocked back to third place by YouTube in terms. 819 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 5: Of content and where people are watching their content. 820 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 2: So, you know, make the series, put it on YouTube 821 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 2: for free and USU your f one brands to co 822 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 2: promote it. Be able, be kind of willing to take 823 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 2: the risk of doing something that you can push out 824 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 2: for free and use that to engage people, because that's 825 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 2: the way to do it if you can't replicate the 826 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 2: success of Drive to Survive and that, like you say, Matt, 827 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 2: those amazingly beneficial circumstances that they landed in. 828 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 5: I remember watching one. 829 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 2: Of the seasons, must have been season two, season three, 830 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 2: the start of twenty one, whenever we had those two 831 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 2: Motive GP races back to back in Qatar, and we 832 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 2: were locked in a hotel where we literally went alad 833 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 2: to leave the corner of the hotel that they built 834 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 2: a wall around for us. And I remember watching the 835 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 2: first episode of draft of that season, that new season, 836 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 2: which had just come out, in the gym one night 837 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 2: while on an exercise bake. I'm going to tap in 838 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 2: the shoulder from Valentino Rossi to say, oh, this is 839 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:18,760 Speaker 2: the new season. 840 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 5: Is it good? And then like three days. 841 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 2: Later he was watching it in the gym because we 842 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 2: had nothing else to do. And then they benefited from 843 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 2: that massively, and we're not going to get it, So 844 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 2: do this do the thing where you can sell the 845 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 2: sport and the drama, but do it in a different way. 846 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 2: Look at YouTube, look at social media, push it onto 847 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 2: people's forms. 848 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,839 Speaker 4: The YouTube idea is brilliant. I love it. 849 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 3: I'm going to play Devil's advocate advocate for a second here. 850 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 3: What if you're one of these long standing TV partners 851 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 3: that's gotten over the top product and it's like, well, 852 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 3: we've paid X dollars for this and you're giving this 853 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 3: thing away on YouTube that's going to potentially cannibalize our audience. 854 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 4: How does that conversation go. 855 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 2: They have to be going to the broadcasters and saying, look, 856 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 2: we are going to make changes that are going to 857 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 2: increase the amount of people watching the sport in your 858 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 2: channel in five years time. 859 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 4: Bear with us. 860 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 5: Just bear with us then. 861 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 2: And we have seen a few of the broadcasters, to 862 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 2: be fair, taking a few risks along the same lines. Recently, 863 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 2: the day that Murujip announced sprint races, I wrote a 864 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 2: column saying sprint racers should all be free to air, 865 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 2: regardless of the pay per view package. The Sprint race 866 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 2: should be free to air every week in every country 867 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 2: to hook people in. And it's been interesting watching more 868 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 2: and more broadcasters get on board with that. It's free 869 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 2: in it, it's free in Spain, it's free in the UK. 870 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 2: So people are. 871 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 5: Willing, I think to They're realizing that they're going to have. 872 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 2: To take some hits in order to go to this 873 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 2: sport as a whole, because the long term effect, when 874 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 2: you look at what F one has done, the long 875 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 2: term benefits have to outweigh any short term losses. 876 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: I agree, and I think exactly what you're saying. I think, 877 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: even from a content creator point of view, is okay 878 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: with Fox Sports. We can use the broadcast content because 879 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: we have the Fox logo on it. It's fine. So 880 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: then we can go on post mark markets crashing for example, 881 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,399 Speaker 1: me on the other side of the camera, and I'm 882 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: a content creator personally, I can't use any of the 883 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: on track footage. My content will get blocked straight away. 884 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: So how the content creators like myself and like other 885 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 1: people out there on socials, how can we keep building 886 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: the sport and having more people talk about it if 887 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: we can't use the content. So that's why I see 888 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: your point the sprint having it free to air, Why 889 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: not exactly? 890 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 2: And the one thing that I'm hoping comes into play 891 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 2: exactly what you said, Nida, because this is a constant criticism. 892 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 2: The Donut basically garret their footage like the Crone Jaws, 893 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 2: and no one's ever allowed to use it to do 894 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 2: anything with it. 895 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 5: Only shipping them a lot of money to do it. 896 00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 2: MBA launched a program a few years back where they 897 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 2: have a system where you can I think there's probably 898 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 2: a similar system in MODOGIP where the broadcasters can like 899 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 2: kind of pull highlight clips out of what they're doing 900 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 2: for socials and stuff like that. 901 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 5: In NBA, they opened that up to fans. They did 902 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 5: and allowed. 903 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 2: Fans to create short short form content, little clips, not 904 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 2: big things that they could edit turn into. 905 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 5: Means, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and it proved 906 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 5: to be really successful. 907 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 2: The guy who launched that program at MBA is a 908 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 2: guy called down Rosimondo who's now the chief commercial officer 909 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 2: at MODEGIP. 910 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 5: And I'm hoping that. 911 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,919 Speaker 2: As he kind of wrestles some of the control away 912 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,720 Speaker 2: from some of the maybe more old fashioned mindsets within Dorna, 913 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 2: that that's something that's going to come to you, because 914 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 2: it's not just about the broadcasters and the series making content. 915 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 5: It's about all of us making content completely. 916 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,720 Speaker 3: You create, you make a bigger pie and that everyone 917 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,839 Speaker 3: gets to eat, right. That's the way it works when 918 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 3: the Rossamondo things so Simon. For your background, I was 919 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 3: an NBA journalist before I was a motorsport journalist, so 920 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 3: I've been around old. 921 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 4: I'm so old. 922 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 3: I was in the NBA when it was in black 923 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 3: and white and they didn't even have inflatable basketballs now. 924 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 3: But the way they have it's been so interesting to 925 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 3: watch the way they have opened up their product over 926 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 3: a long period of time. They were one of the 927 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 3: first sports leagues I ever remember that were really quick 928 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 3: in getting their own highlights from a game that were 929 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,279 Speaker 3: going viral on social media and doing it themselves because 930 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 3: they were sick of you know, old mates sitting at 931 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 3: home with his phone recording his TV. Oh, here's a 932 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 3: guy who did an amazing three point and it looks 933 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,879 Speaker 3: terrible these cats in the background, and you know, there's 934 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,240 Speaker 3: like someone vacuuming the floor, and let's sound as rubbish. 935 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 3: The NBA will be here's that highlight, and here's six 936 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 3: different angles of it, and here it is on every 937 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 3: single platform that we have within fifteen seconds of it happening, 938 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,359 Speaker 3: and it'll be better than anything you guys can do. 939 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 3: So they took ownership of it, so there's a quality 940 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 3: control element, but they're also pushing it out and so 941 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 3: you would get these murmurings. I remember in the early 942 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 3: days of them doing this without boring our bikes audience 943 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,240 Speaker 3: completely stupid. Steph Curry, who plays to the Golden State Warriors, 944 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 3: he would have these flurries of three point shots in 945 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 3: games only he could do and you would hear this thing. 946 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 3: It's like Curry's going crazy. Curry's going crazy, Like you 947 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 3: hear this, and you be on social media and here 948 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 3: is a forty five second clip of the nine to 949 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,240 Speaker 3: three pointers that Steph Curry's just made in the first 950 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 3: half for a game that's still going. And it was 951 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 3: there and it was up. They were so on it 952 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 3: so early. The quality of what they were doing was good. 953 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 3: You just went to them whenever they had something that 954 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,839 Speaker 3: needed to be told because you knew they were going to. 955 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 4: Do it right. 956 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 3: And that would be something that if modor GP could 957 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,879 Speaker 3: adopt one tenth of that model would be a fantastic 958 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 3: addition to the sport. 959 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,919 Speaker 1: I reckon I feel like Fellas we pretty much kind 960 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: of touch on all the subjects of Lebty. So I 961 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: want to we've just fixed all the problems. Let's round 962 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 1: it all are Simon. I'm going to come to you first. 963 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 1: Liberty Media taking over Donner? Is this a good thing? 964 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: Is this not going to ski away our existing fans. 965 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 1: We're going to get a new fan base and we're 966 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 1: going to see Moto GP get all the credit it deserves. 967 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 2: I think Liberty Media are smart enough to know that 968 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 2: they do not need to touch the sporting product. 969 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 5: They just need to build it out. They need to 970 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 5: build stuff around it. 971 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 2: The benefit of that should be that if you're an 972 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 2: existing motor GP fan, you know what. 973 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 5: No one's making you watch the documentary series. No one's 974 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 5: making you watch. 975 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 2: The social media. You don't have to watch Drive to Survive. 976 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 2: If you're an F one fan, you can just churn 977 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,760 Speaker 2: in on Sunday and watch the race. And that remains 978 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 2: the case with MODORGP and whatever Liberty do. 979 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 5: I mean even more than. 980 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 2: F one, because they're not going to make any of 981 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 2: the changes that people dislike a bit F one the 982 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 2: most that Liberty have made, like street circuits, that's not 983 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 2: going to happen. 984 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 5: We're not going to Miami with a modigp bike. 985 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,280 Speaker 2: So the core product will always remain the core product, 986 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 2: because the core product. 987 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 5: Is not the problem. 988 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 2: It's all the stuff around the product that we need 989 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,359 Speaker 2: to change if we're going to expand the fan base 990 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 2: and bringing new people, and that can only be good. 991 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree. I think it's not a case 992 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 3: of attracting different fans. You're not trying to water down 993 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 3: or cannibalize the fan base you've got. You're trying to 994 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,840 Speaker 3: attract new fans to increase the size of the fan base. 995 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 3: And so to my mind, the sporting product, the on 996 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 3: track product, quite frankly, is better than Formula one. It 997 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 3: has been for a long time. It's just a story 998 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 3: that needs to be better told. They're a media company. 999 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 3: Their business is telling stories and telling stories well to 1000 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,799 Speaker 3: the widest possible audience. And that's why I'm super optimistic 1001 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 3: based on what they have done to a sport that 1002 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 3: they probably picked up with more issues with Formula one 1003 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 3: when they had it, I'm super optimistic that longer term, 1004 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 3: this is going to be a really good thing for 1005 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 3: the sport. 1006 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, I want to 1007 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 2: be in a position where we're. 1008 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,919 Speaker 5: Seeing raiders get unto the mold of two grid without 1009 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 5: having the mortgage. Mom's host did, Yeah. 1010 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 4: That's part of it. 1011 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, that's a whole other podcast and a whole 1012 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,280 Speaker 1: other conversation. We need to go down one more question 1013 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,280 Speaker 1: and then I feel like our listeners, if they're stuck around, 1014 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: they're going to get a full understanding. But Simon, there's 1015 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 1: rumors about a potential F one motor GP race on 1016 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: the same weekend. Hey, what's your thoughts on this is 1017 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: not going to happen or is that just crazy? 1018 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 2: The problem is, I think there's one circuit in the 1019 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 2: world where it's doable, and that's Silverstone. Yes, because Silverstone 1020 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 2: has two pit complexes yep, And I think that's probably 1021 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 2: the only place where you could really pull it off. 1022 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 2: There's nowhere else that has the space, that has the 1023 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 2: size and the space apart from well, maybe it's a 1024 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 2: good excuse for Formula want to go back to sipaying, 1025 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,839 Speaker 2: which I think a lot of people would love because 1026 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 2: they have that they're Simons and the Pharasy as well. 1027 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,360 Speaker 2: But there's not a lot of places where you can 1028 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 2: actually physically do it. For me, the actual actually the 1029 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,799 Speaker 2: secret to it is maybe not just jumping in and 1030 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,919 Speaker 2: doing a joint F one what did GP rice? Why 1031 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 2: not do like a Red Bull Rookies rounded F one race. 1032 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 2: Why not move the Women's World Championship over for a 1033 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,320 Speaker 2: rounded F one rice where they've got a smaller padduct footprint. 1034 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,280 Speaker 2: And I mean, who doesn't love watching Red Bull Rookies 1035 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,399 Speaker 2: because it's the most manic sport on Earth. So there's 1036 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,719 Speaker 2: there's a way to do it, at least to test 1037 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 2: the waters that doesn't just involve full steam ahead into 1038 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,799 Speaker 2: a joint F one motor GP weekend that I think 1039 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 2: would still do a pretty good job of the concept 1040 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 2: of selling our sport to that audience. 1041 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,040 Speaker 3: The only other circuit I reckon that you could if 1042 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,879 Speaker 3: you're going to go down that path Simon, because it's 1043 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,719 Speaker 3: not as big of a paddock footprint as you said, 1044 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,759 Speaker 3: is if you could do Castaloonia, simply because I think 1045 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 3: the rebel Rookies would probably resonate a little bit better 1046 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 3: there perhaps than Atma Silverstone. 1047 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,879 Speaker 2: I mean, these places like Austria where you could fit 1048 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 2: in the rookies. They don't have a big foot, But yes, 1049 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 2: there's lots of places where you could. 1050 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:53,479 Speaker 5: Make it work. 1051 00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 2: They would have to be one of the circuits that 1052 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 2: we both go to, right, Yeah, exactly. 1053 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,719 Speaker 1: Exactly, Just imagine. I'm even thinking like if it could 1054 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,840 Speaker 1: happen magically like F one at Coda because obviously the 1055 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,479 Speaker 1: American fan base Formula one they do like that big 1056 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 1: show and then have Bodo GP and Mark Markers. Oh, 1057 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 1: that would be cool. 1058 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,240 Speaker 2: One thing that wouldn't surprise me at all in twenty 1059 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 2: twenty six, the new Bago Championship, the new how To 1060 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 2: did with some Bago Championship that's coming to Murder GP. 1061 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,279 Speaker 2: I would not at all be surprised if one of 1062 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,759 Speaker 2: their roons are at F one Koda. 1063 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 3: On the undercard. Yeah absolutely, because they are at totally 1064 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,640 Speaker 3: different times of the calendar as well. 1065 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, March in March at October, so you can absolutely 1066 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 4: do that. 1067 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, believe the bags are going to be at Barcelona, 1068 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,279 Speaker 1: and obviously we're getting off track here. We have our 1069 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,520 Speaker 1: Aussie Choy herfous in there as well in that championship, 1070 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 1: so hopefully that might be ed as well. We'll keep 1071 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: you guys on that. But guys, I feel like we 1072 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: could just keep talking and talking and talking about how 1073 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,440 Speaker 1: are we gonna fix Moto GP. I just have this 1074 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: feeling it's the beginning of something much, much bigger. But Simon, 1075 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us here on pit Talk, 1076 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: and we're gonna see you in a few months, like 1077 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,879 Speaker 1: Matt said at Philip Violence, so we'll hatch up then, 1078 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: And Matt, as always the statman, it is a pleasure 1079 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 1: having you on board here with me. Moto GP is 1080 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 1: back in Austria for around thirteen at the Red Bull 1081 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: Ring and you guys can catch all the action live 1082 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports and KO. If you want to keep 1083 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 1: up to date with all of Matt's articles, though, you 1084 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,720 Speaker 1: guys can do at foxsports dot com, dot AU, Forward, 1085 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 1: Slash Motorsport, don't forget to follow us on socials at 1086 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,879 Speaker 1: Fox Motorsport everywhere, and subscribe to Pittalk so you never 1087 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: miss an episode. But from Sliven Patterson, Matt Clayton and 1088 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 1: myself Rinita Vermulin, we're going to be back real soon 1089 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,919 Speaker 1: with more Moto GP Pit Talk