WEBVTT - A Body Is Found

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<v Speaker 1>Apote production. I've previously mentioned that we had many emails

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<v Speaker 1>from people who have offered up theories around what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to my uncle over forty years ago. Some of them

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<v Speaker 1>have been wild and would never make the podcast. Some

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<v Speaker 1>we followed up but went nowhere, so we decided to

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<v Speaker 1>leave them out, and then others We asked a few

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<v Speaker 1>questions to people and found out that maybe there was

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<v Speaker 1>something worth exploring. This theory is one of them. We

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<v Speaker 1>were contacted via our website with a story about a

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<v Speaker 1>man's body that was found in nineteen eighty eight in Newman, WA.

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<v Speaker 1>Newman is about ten hours drive from where Des was

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<v Speaker 1>last seen inland towards Perth. Its rugged countryside, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>very similar to the whole of the area, which is

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Pilber Region. Red dirt, small shrubs, and

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<v Speaker 1>the occasional trees scattered. To bury your body in this

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<v Speaker 1>type of area would be hard work with heavy excavation

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<v Speaker 1>machinery needed. The dirt is so hard it's almost like concrete.

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<v Speaker 1>But someone did try to conceal a body, and in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight that body was found. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>bones and a skull, no flesh, and some other artifacts

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty fifteen, a newspaper wrote about bodies that have

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<v Speaker 1>been identified and crimes that have never been solved. In Wa,

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<v Speaker 1>the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing a workman expected to find while cutting a section

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<v Speaker 2>of the Newman Nullagain Road in Western Australia was a

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<v Speaker 2>human skull and the personal belongings of a murdered man.

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<v Speaker 2>The road greater operator noticed the skull two meters off

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<v Speaker 2>the road, about sixty four kilometers north of Newman at

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<v Speaker 2>four thirty pm on Saturday, February twenty seven eight.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not lost on me that the person who stumbled

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<v Speaker 1>across this mystery body was working on a road roller,

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<v Speaker 1>much like my uncle was when he went missing. He

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<v Speaker 1>stopped his grater, and upon closer inspection, found a shallow

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<v Speaker 1>grave containing human bones, as well as a pocket knife

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<v Speaker 1>and a sharpening stone, a Toyota ignition key, a fob, watchholder,

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<v Speaker 1>a comb, sunglasses, two belts, and a black felt hat.

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<v Speaker 1>The victim was estimated to be thirty to forty years

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<v Speaker 1>old at the time of death. He appeared to be

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a maroone T shirt, underwear, shorts and Grosby brown

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<v Speaker 1>Swede elastic side boots. This body was about one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy five centimetres tall, with a moderate build and

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<v Speaker 1>light brown hair. The fact that deceased was located in

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<v Speaker 1>a shallow grave and the grave had apparently been concealed,

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<v Speaker 1>leads investigators to believe this person was a victim of homicide.

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<v Speaker 1>To this day, the murder victim or his killer or

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<v Speaker 1>killers have not been identified. Once I got this information

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<v Speaker 1>and I read the description of this man, it really

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<v Speaker 1>made my heart sink. My uncle Dev was thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>when he went missing. He was one hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 1>three centimeters tall and had brown hair and a moderate build.

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<v Speaker 1>You may not remember the description of what Dev was

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<v Speaker 1>wearing back in nineteen seventy nine, so let me take

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<v Speaker 1>you back to episode two, where I described for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time what he was wearing on the day he

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<v Speaker 1>went missing. With him on that day, he had his

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<v Speaker 1>lunch packed and a blue water bottle, the kind that

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<v Speaker 1>was made of foam. He was wearing black shorts, a

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<v Speaker 1>red shot and brown boots with a bucket hat. The

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<v Speaker 1>body closely matched my uncle's physical description and also what

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<v Speaker 1>he was wearing at the time. It also seemed very

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<v Speaker 1>similar to what was on police record. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>understand the other items that were found near him, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Toyota key was something that also rang a bell.

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<v Speaker 1>My Auntie Joy had mentioned something about his car in

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<v Speaker 1>an earlier episode.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what happened to his.

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<v Speaker 4>Car.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if the car was a Toyota, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm asking that question from my family. I again reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to Jude sev Wright at Missing Person's wa to

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<v Speaker 1>ask some questions on the way back from a trip

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<v Speaker 1>into State. I sent her an email on the plane

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<v Speaker 1>so she could do some fact checking before we got

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<v Speaker 1>hold of each other. So I think there was a

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<v Speaker 1>man found in Newman, which is reasonably close to where

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<v Speaker 1>DEAs went missing. Those sorts of things, are they correlated

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<v Speaker 1>with missing persons at the time of bodies being found? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>They are. Yeah. So I think with this, with that

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<v Speaker 3>one that you mentioned in Dez's case, whether it matched

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<v Speaker 3>Dees or not, and I think the outcome was no.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's with and that was due to some forensic information.

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<v Speaker 3>That job is with Cold CA Special Crime as a

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<v Speaker 3>homicide investigation, so that's still sitting sitting with them as

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<v Speaker 3>one of their jobs that's on hand. I had a

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<v Speaker 3>chat with the boss there this morning and said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>can you just have a look and see what information

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<v Speaker 3>was done to match the two.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they did do some checking on whether that

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<v Speaker 1>information that was received at the time they found.

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<v Speaker 3>That body, yeah, whether it matched yeah, yes, whether it

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<v Speaker 3>matched Dez And the outcome was no. But that's in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty eight, so I don't know what feather has

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<v Speaker 3>been done from that date the report entry in relation

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<v Speaker 3>to whether it's matching or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the more time passes, the harder it is

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<v Speaker 1>to try and correlate a missing person with a body.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. Look, I guess just generally if you're looking at

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<v Speaker 3>these old cases, it comes down to forensic matching, which

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<v Speaker 3>would be DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which would be harder to obviously do at the

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<v Speaker 1>longer time. Got is it? I guess? Or you would

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<v Speaker 1>Would you have forensic Would you have DNA from dez

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<v Speaker 1>We No?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe so.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's only there was fingerprints. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 3>there's any dental records or medical records for des Okay

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to assist in identify identification as far as

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<v Speaker 3>DNA goes. What's the what's the situation with the family?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how I.

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<v Speaker 3>Am familiar DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, definitely the two sisters. So my auntie and

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<v Speaker 1>my mama still with us, so that would probably be

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no doubt they would both be willing to offer

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<v Speaker 1>up a family DNA sample.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's definitely a possibility. And I guess it's just

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<v Speaker 1>to try and well, that would be.

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<v Speaker 3>The likely source for the familial DNA then the siblings.

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<v Speaker 1>And how close is that normally matched to like familial DNA.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's very good, is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Yeah, yep, so okay, well that might be the

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<v Speaker 1>next step getting mum or my auntie to go and

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Now, how would they go about doing that

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<v Speaker 1>as a sample?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just a matter of a swab, like a

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<v Speaker 3>swab that goes into your mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's quite a simple process. But what I need

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<v Speaker 3>to do is obviously confirm whether those inquiries in that

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<v Speaker 3>were done at the time of the body being found

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<v Speaker 3>in eighty eight, whether it was already conclusive, then it's

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<v Speaker 3>not a match. Not conclusive, then I would obviously be

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<v Speaker 3>asking for some DNA sample from family.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic. Okay, Well, I'll wait to hear back from you

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<v Speaker 1>on that. Yeah, that would be brilliant.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because there's a number of I know, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>number of forensic will there'll be some forensic items from

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<v Speaker 3>the body that was found that they should be on

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<v Speaker 3>to match well hopefully extract some DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>So now we have a few things to follow up. Firstly,

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<v Speaker 1>was Peter correct in saying that he saw Des at

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<v Speaker 1>the rodeo? If he did see him, is it possible

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<v Speaker 1>that Des went with those four travelers that Peter mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in a previous episode. Let's follow that path for a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're traveling from Broom to Perth as a backpacker

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventies, then you would take the Old Northern Highway.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nullageyne Road is close to Nullagein, which is an

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<v Speaker 1>old gold rush town in Western Australia's Pilburgh Region, located

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<v Speaker 1>on the Nullagayine River, two hundred and ninety six kilometers

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<v Speaker 1>southeast of Port Headland and about fifteen hundred kilometers north

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<v Speaker 1>northeast of Perth on the Great Old Northern Highway. That

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<v Speaker 1>highway is where this mystery body was found, ten hours

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<v Speaker 1>from where Des was last seen. If Peter's story is correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Could it be that Des went with these four mystery

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<v Speaker 1>people and something either accidentally or more sinnis to happen

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<v Speaker 1>to my uncle. If that's the case, then my mum

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<v Speaker 1>or my aunty will do a DNA sample which could

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<v Speaker 1>prove once and for all what happened to my uncle. Equally,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter could be wrong and Des may have never been

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<v Speaker 1>seen at the rodeo, which means the story of the

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<v Speaker 1>four travelers never actually happened. Either way, the crucial bit

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<v Speaker 1>is to wait for police to come back and tell

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<v Speaker 1>us if there's any chance the body fel was my

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<v Speaker 1>uncle Davi's. We now come to the end of another

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<v Speaker 1>episode where more questions have been asked than answers. Provided

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<v Speaker 1>that's what missing person's cases are like, question after question,

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<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole after rabbit hole. Is there still information out

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<v Speaker 1>there that people might know? Do the police have any

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<v Speaker 1>other information that they haven't shared with us because I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't asked, I'm guessing that there is other stuff in

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<v Speaker 1>the report that we've not talked about because you can't

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<v Speaker 1>offer that up. Or is there yep?

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<v Speaker 3>Most of the stuff that we've spoken about is in

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<v Speaker 3>the report, really, you know, other than other bits and

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<v Speaker 3>pieces of sightings and stuff that's been investigated and then

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<v Speaker 3>improved or believed not to be correct, which happens in

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<v Speaker 3>all inquiries. There's people that see people all the time

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<v Speaker 3>and calling and say they see me persons and those

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<v Speaker 3>all those inquiries obviously naturally get investigated and either deemed

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<v Speaker 3>as valid or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Great, So I'm guessing in this particular case there

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<v Speaker 1>would be a number of other things like Peter's that

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<v Speaker 1>are sitting in the file, but obviously a police have

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<v Speaker 1>followed them up and feel no reason to pursue them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>We wait for news on the body and the DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>We need Peter and the police to talk, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some new information from listeners to this podcast, which is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons I did it in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully there's something new to share with you soon about

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<v Speaker 1>the disappearance of des. In my hunt for answers about

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to my uncle Dez, who went missing forty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago while working on a road roller in northwestern Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>we've turned up two new bits of information that police

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<v Speaker 1>are now following up on. There is a theory about

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<v Speaker 1>a man who saw in two days after he was

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<v Speaker 1>reported missing. Peter Connolly swears he saw Dez and that

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<v Speaker 1>when he reported it to the police, they didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>much with information. On the other hand, police records say

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<v Speaker 1>that Peter was questioned extensively by police and he was

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<v Speaker 1>even taken to the area where he thought he saw Dez.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter disputes this.

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<v Speaker 4>With the police. I definitely did not, absolutely definitely did not.

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<v Speaker 1>There is another unproven theory about a body that was

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<v Speaker 1>found about eight hundred kilometers from where Dev was last seen.

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<v Speaker 1>The description of the body closely matches Deser's size, clothing,

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<v Speaker 1>and hair color. This too, is being followed up by police,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course we believe this podcast will help expedite

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<v Speaker 1>a coroner's inquest into what really happened. My family has

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<v Speaker 1>now started trawling garages and old boxes trying to find

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<v Speaker 1>more information that might help answer some of these mysteries.

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast has opened up some old wounds which may

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<v Speaker 1>not have healed in the forty years that have passed.

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<v Speaker 1>I've mentioned previously there was a funeral of sorts more

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<v Speaker 1>like a memorial service that was held about a year

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<v Speaker 1>after my uncle's disappearance, and are cross planted at the

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<v Speaker 1>site where Dev was last seen. You can see this

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<v Speaker 1>area and also some pictures we've uploaded at our website.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas Dez dot com. In searching these old boxes, a

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<v Speaker 1>few family members have come forward with some old relics

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<v Speaker 1>from around that time. One was a book that Gwen Moyer,

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<v Speaker 1>my auntie, had written in It contained the names of

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<v Speaker 1>people who attended the memorial service that was held for

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<v Speaker 1>Des and some of the messages they left to give

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<v Speaker 1>some context on the sort of person my uncle was

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<v Speaker 1>and also how he was regarded back then. We thought

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<v Speaker 1>we could share some of them with you. These excerpts

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<v Speaker 1>were all written on the second of August nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>The first comes from Gwen, DES's older sister, who passed

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<v Speaker 1>away some years ago, in remembrance of my darling brother, Dez.

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<v Speaker 1>If you only knew how much I wished you were

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<v Speaker 1>here with us today, thoughts will be with you forever

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you are, Love Gwen. This next note really broke

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<v Speaker 1>me up. It broke me up because it was written

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<v Speaker 1>by my mum. I was only ten when she wrote

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<v Speaker 1>this note, with no idea of what Mum must have

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<v Speaker 1>been going through. Dez, I love you, I miss you.

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<v Speaker 1>What more can I say? Come home and see me soon. Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a list of around eighty people who attended

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<v Speaker 1>the service at the church in Subiaco in Perth in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty and Gwen made a note of each one.

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<v Speaker 1>The last note in this handwritten account of my family's

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<v Speaker 1>heartache came from my Grandpap Frank Carr. He wrote, simply

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of you always, des My hopes are that you

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<v Speaker 1>are still alive. God be with you. Lots of love Dad.

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<v Speaker 1>In the last episode, we talked about a body that

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<v Speaker 1>had been found in nineteen eighty eight. This body was

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<v Speaker 1>the same size and billed as Dez. The clothes that

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<v Speaker 1>were found were similar to what Dez was wearing. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a few personal items that were dug up when

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<v Speaker 1>this body was discovered, and the one that stuck in

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<v Speaker 1>my head was a Toyota key. I wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>if my uncle owned a Toyota at the time of

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<v Speaker 1>his disappearance. From what the family can recall, he owned

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<v Speaker 1>a Holden, so I thought not much more to follow

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<v Speaker 1>up there. As I mentioned, we've been trawling old photos

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<v Speaker 1>and archives to find anything that could help connect the dots,

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<v Speaker 1>and then this happened. A photo with Dez sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a truck. He's kneeling down, wearing his work

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<v Speaker 1>clothes with a beer in his hand. The truck was

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<v Speaker 1>a Toyota. It looked like it was taken at the

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<v Speaker 1>main roads camp in Thango. You can only see a

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<v Speaker 1>partial license plate, the last numbers being two six'. Nine

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<v Speaker 1>could this be the? Truck The toyota truck connected with

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<v Speaker 1>the body that was found in nineteen eighty eight and

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<v Speaker 1>was never. Identified As i've mentioned, Before i'm not an investigative,

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<v Speaker 1>journalist but some of these things are just. Happening if

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<v Speaker 1>we could connect the truck That des was standing in

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<v Speaker 1>front of with the key that was found on the

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<v Speaker 1>body in nineteen eighty, eight then that could lead to

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<v Speaker 1>finding out that the body was actually my Uncle. Das

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<v Speaker 1>is this a long? Shot AM i clutching at? STRAWS

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<v Speaker 1>i don't THINK i. Am surely the police would want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear about this new. Information i've sent an email

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<v Speaker 1>to the police with the photo along with my, theory

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<v Speaker 1>And i'm awaiting a. Response i'm eager to push through

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<v Speaker 1>to a next, step but at the MOMENT i feel

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<v Speaker 1>Like i'm the only. One there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>missing people In australia and my uncle's case is what

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<v Speaker 1>you would consider a very cold. Case there are far

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<v Speaker 1>more current cases that police could focus. On i'm not blaming.

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<v Speaker 1>Plane it's like finding a needle in a. Haystack and

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<v Speaker 1>from previous conversations there is only a handful of missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Persons detectives in wa dealing with a substantial amount of missing.

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<v Speaker 1>People that was actually one of the other things that

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<v Speaker 1>came up in nineteen seventy, nine which was brought up

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<v Speaker 1>By gwen's, Husband, sid who we never included in the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast to this point because we thought it may seem

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<v Speaker 1>like we were unhappy with what the police have done to. Date,

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<v Speaker 1>however in our search through some of these old, BOXES

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<v Speaker 1>i kept reading a story of another man that disappeared

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<v Speaker 1>a few days after my uncle In. Broom he was

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<v Speaker 1>A japanese pearl diver who fell overboard about one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>k's Off. Broom he was working on a boat called

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<v Speaker 1>The kim and it was seven nautical miles off the

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<v Speaker 1>shore when he fell into the water wearing a tracksuit

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<v Speaker 1>On monday, night the sixth Of august nineteen seventy, nine

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<v Speaker 1>four days after the searches had begun for my. Uncle,

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<v Speaker 1>NOW i haven't formed an opinion of what should have,

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<v Speaker 1>happened but my Uncle sid had a view that was

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<v Speaker 1>shared by my.

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<v Speaker 4>Grandpa good, afternoon Uncle.

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<v Speaker 1>Sid It's jay. Again how are you?

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<v Speaker 4>Going must say? There? Mate so, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, well really, WELL i just wanted to talk some

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<v Speaker 1>more about that search for the diver that you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>to me on the phone.

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<v Speaker 4>Earlier they couldn't get any police from that area to

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<v Speaker 4>come and, help or anyone to organize a plane or

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<v Speaker 4>ANY i would, say a lot of people are looking

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<v Speaker 4>for the. Diver and also the fact that they had

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<v Speaker 4>the VIPs From japan. THERE i think a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>the police were there just in.

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<v Speaker 1>Case, Okay so you're thinking that maybe the search wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>as extensive as it could have been because of this

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<v Speaker 1>missing diver in the city Of. Broom, yep we did

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<v Speaker 1>follow up this story When sid first, called and the,

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<v Speaker 1>police AS i, expected said.

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<v Speaker 3>From our, records there was an incident In broom which

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<v Speaker 3>occurred during the late evening of the sixth Of, august

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<v Speaker 3>where A japanese diver has fallen overboard from a pearling

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<v Speaker 3>lugger which was traveling southwest Off. Broom now that was

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<v Speaker 3>not reported to police until the following, morning the seventh Of.

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<v Speaker 3>August from WHAT i understand from the, records that would

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<v Speaker 3>have taken obviously two major incidents in a short space

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<v Speaker 3>of time For, broom which would have definitely impacted on their.

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<v Speaker 3>Resources but in saying that that search for the missing

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<v Speaker 3>man overboard required different types of, resources and from WHAT i,

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<v Speaker 3>understand there was a number of turloggers that assisted in the,

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<v Speaker 3>search along with some air, support and from the information

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<v Speaker 3>we have from the, file the search for Des and

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<v Speaker 3>was concluded on the sixth and then this missing this

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<v Speaker 3>man overboard incident was not reported to the seventh Of.

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<v Speaker 1>August My grandpap was unhappy with the police, search not

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<v Speaker 1>just around The japanese, diver who he believed may have

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<v Speaker 1>diverted attention from the search for his, son but also

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<v Speaker 1>that he really wasn't convinced police had done everything they

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<v Speaker 1>could at the time he was interviewed by the local

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<v Speaker 1>paper in nineteen.

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<v Speaker 5>Eighty relatives unhappy with. Search relatives of A Main roads

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<v Speaker 5>department worker who disappeared from A kimberly work site are

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<v Speaker 5>dissatisfied with police efforts to find. Him they said today

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<v Speaker 5>that police had told them an air search had been

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<v Speaker 5>made and That aboriginal trackers had searched In vain For Desmond.

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<v Speaker 5>Car Frank, Car desmond's dad said when we got to his,

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<v Speaker 5>camp his workmates swore there was no air search and

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<v Speaker 5>they said the Only aboriginal there was a police aide

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<v Speaker 5>who got lost in the bush, Himself Mister carr And Missus.

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<v Speaker 5>Moyer his daughter said that after they insisted at The

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<v Speaker 5>Broom police, station two very helpful sergeants were assigned to

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<v Speaker 5>accompany them to the. Camp eight days After das went.

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<v Speaker 5>Missing the sergeants led a second search BY mrd, workmen

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<v Speaker 5>while Mister carr and THE mrd foreman did an aerial

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<v Speaker 5>search in AN mrd. AIRCRAFT a senior officer At Broom

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<v Speaker 5>Police station declined to comment on the.

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<v Speaker 1>ALLEGATIONS i want to say, Again i'm not accusing the

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<v Speaker 1>police of, anything but it is possible the focus moved

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<v Speaker 1>from our uncle to this missing diver four days after

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<v Speaker 1>des went. Missing it is understandable that resources would have

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<v Speaker 1>been more stretched in a small town Like broom with

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<v Speaker 1>two missing persons in as many. Days it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>that's what my pop and some of my family believed as.

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<v Speaker 1>WELL i should only go with what's written in the

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<v Speaker 1>official police. Report, however it's impossible as a family member

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<v Speaker 1>not to explore some of these. Allegations they were made

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<v Speaker 1>over forty years, ago and now because of this, podcast

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<v Speaker 1>they seem to surface. Again this is not some wild

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<v Speaker 1>theory that has had forty years to grow into a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a, yarn but more what my pop had

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<v Speaker 1>believed all those years, ago and AS i, explored sound more.

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<v Speaker 1>Plausible so we've got a bunch of things to follow up.

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<v Speaker 1>ON i am a little bit at the mercy of

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<v Speaker 1>how fast some of these allegations can be. Explored Certainly

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<v Speaker 1>i'd like them to move a little faster than they

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<v Speaker 1>have over the last forty. Years we will keep chasing

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