1 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Appoche Production. 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,321 Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the 3 00:00:13,401 --> 00:00:14,561 Speaker 2: Muscle comments. 4 00:00:14,761 --> 00:00:17,841 Speaker 3: And in this episode I speak with Ian Redman, the 5 00:00:17,921 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 3: Liverpool DJ and producer behind Ultra Beat Me. 6 00:00:21,961 --> 00:00:24,521 Speaker 4: Dad going need off proper job, So this is never 7 00:00:24,561 --> 00:00:26,481 Speaker 4: going to happen playing records? 8 00:00:26,481 --> 00:00:28,641 Speaker 1: What do you think you are? DJ? What's one of them? 9 00:00:28,841 --> 00:00:30,681 Speaker 1: And then luckily it's worked out for me. 10 00:00:31,721 --> 00:00:33,961 Speaker 4: The patient who wait at three Beat Records want to 11 00:00:34,001 --> 00:00:35,001 Speaker 4: buy this record off? 12 00:00:35,001 --> 00:00:35,081 Speaker 5: You? 13 00:00:35,241 --> 00:00:37,641 Speaker 4: Lows is He rose on a check and I went, on, 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 4: my word, I've never seen that. 15 00:00:38,921 --> 00:00:40,481 Speaker 1: That's fake. It's got to be fake. 16 00:00:41,361 --> 00:00:43,361 Speaker 4: The worst one is now you go to a gig, 17 00:00:43,721 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 4: nineteen twenty year old girl. 18 00:00:45,321 --> 00:00:46,601 Speaker 1: Come up to the end, so you go, can I 19 00:00:46,601 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: have a pitching? You've got all that? How can your ghost? Yeah, 20 00:00:49,961 --> 00:00:51,801 Speaker 1: my mum's going to be made up. I've got this. 21 00:00:51,801 --> 00:01:05,121 Speaker 5: Picture with you, you know, Dad be Dad raved with you. 22 00:01:16,961 --> 00:01:19,481 Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on, bro, I much appreciate this. 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,441 Speaker 3: I actually didn't know it was actually you who've done 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: all these songs that I grew up with. 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,561 Speaker 2: But I had to privilege to have you on my podcast. 26 00:01:26,961 --> 00:01:29,721 Speaker 2: I love that. I'm gonna share a story with you. 27 00:01:29,961 --> 00:01:32,881 Speaker 3: Scouted to scouse about your life and how you got 28 00:01:32,881 --> 00:01:33,801 Speaker 3: to where you are today. 29 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on, bro, no mat, thank you 30 00:01:36,321 --> 00:01:39,001 Speaker 1: for having me on. As I said, I've followed your path. 31 00:01:39,521 --> 00:01:41,441 Speaker 4: And then obviously you'd had Alex on the other month, 32 00:01:42,121 --> 00:01:44,561 Speaker 4: good very good friend of ours now and then obviously 33 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,561 Speaker 4: when we and you started speaking it was like hold 34 00:01:47,601 --> 00:01:52,281 Speaker 4: on a second, Scouts a living over there, and then 35 00:01:53,681 --> 00:01:58,001 Speaker 4: I know you that's on them going no way this way. 36 00:01:58,521 --> 00:02:01,121 Speaker 1: But yeah, so thanks for having me on. 37 00:02:01,401 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: No word, it's a pleasure. So before we get into 38 00:02:03,561 --> 00:02:04,841 Speaker 2: litty grizzy, we'll talk about. 39 00:02:04,641 --> 00:02:07,641 Speaker 3: You growing up as a kid, school, what area and 40 00:02:07,681 --> 00:02:10,481 Speaker 3: lapool you're from family wise, and then we'll get into 41 00:02:10,601 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: you know who you are today. 42 00:02:12,321 --> 00:02:16,721 Speaker 4: Well, I'm the youngest of four three older sisters, live 43 00:02:16,761 --> 00:02:20,441 Speaker 4: in a little suburb of Liverpool called Crosby School. 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,241 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. Dyslexic as fuck, not the 45 00:02:24,321 --> 00:02:25,121 Speaker 1: best at school. 46 00:02:25,121 --> 00:02:26,681 Speaker 4: I was always the joke at the back of the 47 00:02:26,721 --> 00:02:30,121 Speaker 4: class all the way through school. It was that so 48 00:02:30,281 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 4: I couldn't be our standing up reading, so I'd say, 49 00:02:33,081 --> 00:02:35,161 Speaker 4: and then she'd go out of class and I'd sit 50 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,081 Speaker 4: in the corner. 51 00:02:35,761 --> 00:02:36,601 Speaker 1: Door as you would. 52 00:02:36,921 --> 00:02:39,681 Speaker 4: Really at an early age, I got involved in music 53 00:02:39,881 --> 00:02:45,681 Speaker 4: to a point where I was introduced via my older 54 00:02:45,761 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 4: sister was going out with a DJ at the time, 55 00:02:48,441 --> 00:02:54,481 Speaker 4: like a club DJ in Liverpool and he was responsible 56 00:02:54,601 --> 00:02:58,841 Speaker 4: for member entrance sety three Yes yes, so he was 57 00:02:58,921 --> 00:03:01,761 Speaker 4: DJing the city and my sister was me saw the 58 00:03:01,841 --> 00:03:04,041 Speaker 4: middle sister. She was, She was the bit of the rebels. 59 00:03:04,081 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 4: She was the black sheep. 60 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,881 Speaker 1: Going out partying all the time and all that. 61 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: My older sister was married off, my younger sister was 62 00:03:10,321 --> 00:03:12,721 Speaker 4: still just in school and then there was this black 63 00:03:12,761 --> 00:03:15,161 Speaker 4: sheep and he introduced me into DJ. 64 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: In this fella his name is Mike Lewis. Then I 65 00:03:17,641 --> 00:03:18,201 Speaker 1: got hooked. 66 00:03:18,481 --> 00:03:19,921 Speaker 4: So we used to sit and there used to be 67 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 4: a radio station based out of Manchester called Key one 68 00:03:22,841 --> 00:03:26,721 Speaker 4: O three and every Sunday a DJ sadly passed away 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,001 Speaker 4: now called Stu Allen used to have a rave show 70 00:03:29,561 --> 00:03:32,281 Speaker 4: and it was like all old school happy hardcore sort 71 00:03:32,361 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 4: of drone club. 72 00:03:34,001 --> 00:03:36,441 Speaker 1: Kinetics sort of stuff, and I'd be sad. 73 00:03:36,441 --> 00:03:39,721 Speaker 4: They with Sony walkm and re Coordiney trying to blank 74 00:03:39,761 --> 00:03:42,761 Speaker 4: the advots out back into the court and the ad 75 00:03:42,841 --> 00:03:46,441 Speaker 4: sit in primary school. Sony Walking, if you know what 76 00:03:46,441 --> 00:03:49,561 Speaker 4: a Sony Walkman, is this is these As a kid, 77 00:03:50,561 --> 00:03:53,081 Speaker 4: I used to sit there with that in the back 78 00:03:53,121 --> 00:03:55,241 Speaker 4: of the class, just listening to dance music and that 79 00:03:55,361 --> 00:03:58,081 Speaker 4: was the sort of the face. Big thing for me 80 00:03:58,241 --> 00:04:02,641 Speaker 4: is this whales completely unreal and kids of my age 81 00:04:02,641 --> 00:04:07,201 Speaker 4: at the time are concentrating on playing football and music 82 00:04:07,321 --> 00:04:07,801 Speaker 4: was my life. 83 00:04:07,841 --> 00:04:08,481 Speaker 1: That and golf. 84 00:04:09,001 --> 00:04:10,761 Speaker 4: I should have carried on the golf because I could 85 00:04:10,801 --> 00:04:15,241 Speaker 4: have been playing properly, but music over unfortunately, so fortunately 86 00:04:15,441 --> 00:04:16,561 Speaker 4: it's done me half decent. 87 00:04:17,361 --> 00:04:19,241 Speaker 3: See that's that's funny that you say that about what 88 00:04:19,281 --> 00:04:22,041 Speaker 3: you did as a kid taping the music, because I 89 00:04:22,081 --> 00:04:24,721 Speaker 3: used to do that in my room every Sunday when 90 00:04:24,761 --> 00:04:26,721 Speaker 3: the charts used to come on, and I used to 91 00:04:26,801 --> 00:04:27,841 Speaker 3: fucking record. 92 00:04:27,521 --> 00:04:29,721 Speaker 2: The charts and the ten I was a radio I was. 93 00:04:29,761 --> 00:04:30,681 Speaker 2: I was a radio DJ. 94 00:04:31,081 --> 00:04:32,721 Speaker 3: And then what I used to do was I used 95 00:04:32,761 --> 00:04:35,681 Speaker 3: to couldn't edit them, so I get the ads out 96 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: so I could play on my tape when I was 97 00:04:37,481 --> 00:04:39,201 Speaker 3: riding my bike, you know what I mean. 98 00:04:39,761 --> 00:04:42,681 Speaker 4: So it's funny that we're we're from the same generation 99 00:04:42,841 --> 00:04:45,801 Speaker 4: and these young kids don't grasp the concept to go 100 00:04:45,921 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: on your phone and go and Spotify to listen to 101 00:04:48,921 --> 00:04:52,681 Speaker 4: that instead we have to and listen to the radio 102 00:04:52,721 --> 00:04:55,401 Speaker 4: and pull the pause button, pause. 103 00:04:56,641 --> 00:04:58,601 Speaker 1: Come back on it. 104 00:04:58,841 --> 00:05:01,801 Speaker 2: So who actually taught you then what you do on 105 00:05:01,801 --> 00:05:02,601 Speaker 2: a DJ? 106 00:05:02,961 --> 00:05:04,241 Speaker 1: Or so the way it. 107 00:05:04,201 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: Worked for me is that because I was the blue 108 00:05:06,401 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 4: Eye boy and I was the my sisters called me 109 00:05:09,601 --> 00:05:13,161 Speaker 4: golden balls because I'd have to payfect line to sell 110 00:05:13,201 --> 00:05:14,361 Speaker 4: it to me one all the time. 111 00:05:15,001 --> 00:05:16,601 Speaker 1: It'll benefit you in the long run. 112 00:05:16,641 --> 00:05:18,121 Speaker 4: If you go out and spend a grand on a 113 00:05:18,161 --> 00:05:21,881 Speaker 4: set of tame tables, one pay, how's it going. 114 00:05:21,841 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: To benefit me? Trust me? Trust me? When I tear 115 00:05:24,521 --> 00:05:26,241 Speaker 1: a big DJ, I'll pay your back. 116 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,161 Speaker 4: All that got a set of decks And it was 117 00:05:29,601 --> 00:05:33,921 Speaker 4: trial and error, sitting there, record collecting, going, going the 118 00:05:34,001 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 4: age of twelves and thirteen saty day pocket money, going 119 00:05:38,241 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 4: and buying a record from a shop in Liverpool, coming back, 120 00:05:41,841 --> 00:05:44,601 Speaker 4: playing at big speakers in the house, rattling the kitchen, 121 00:05:45,521 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 4: just every way. 122 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,761 Speaker 1: And it just picked up. 123 00:05:48,001 --> 00:05:50,161 Speaker 4: And then, as I say, I got involved with a 124 00:05:50,201 --> 00:05:52,401 Speaker 4: good friend of mine based in Crosby as well. 125 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,081 Speaker 1: He was another sort of school outcast. 126 00:05:55,521 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 4: Everybody else was into indie and he was listening to 127 00:05:57,721 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 4: rave Music's name was Rob Kane. 128 00:05:59,801 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: Me and Rob basically hit her off and that was it. 129 00:06:01,721 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 4: Then we were thick as steeves, playing music in my house, 130 00:06:05,601 --> 00:06:08,721 Speaker 4: dead loud, just buying any sort of rave music we 131 00:06:08,721 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 4: could get our hands on, record collections off all DJs, 132 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,361 Speaker 4: and just the love just grew from there. 133 00:06:14,961 --> 00:06:16,601 Speaker 2: Get did you go to a lot of raves yourself? 134 00:06:17,481 --> 00:06:20,241 Speaker 1: Well, obviously, I'm forty three. 135 00:06:20,921 --> 00:06:24,601 Speaker 4: The big raves for me was your hardcore raves, your 136 00:06:24,641 --> 00:06:28,161 Speaker 4: club kinetics, your drones. Sadly I missed all of that 137 00:06:28,201 --> 00:06:30,121 Speaker 4: because they'd all finished by the time I. 138 00:06:30,001 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: Was aged to go raving. 139 00:06:32,361 --> 00:06:35,361 Speaker 4: Ye, At an early age, I was DJing in venues 140 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:36,481 Speaker 4: like the Paradox. 141 00:06:37,401 --> 00:06:39,161 Speaker 1: I used to have to build the door by. 142 00:06:39,041 --> 00:06:41,721 Speaker 4: Twelve o'clock because they go we haven't got a license 143 00:06:41,761 --> 00:06:43,801 Speaker 4: past twelve o'clock for used to being here. So I'll 144 00:06:43,801 --> 00:06:46,121 Speaker 4: be going there on a Saturday, play the warm up, 145 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 4: and then five to twelve, di'd be a taxi sat 146 00:06:49,281 --> 00:06:53,561 Speaker 4: outside waiting for me. I want to stay. I'm enjoying 147 00:06:53,601 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 4: this too much. Sorry, you have to go. 148 00:06:57,041 --> 00:07:00,241 Speaker 2: Really fifteen years old? You actually after DJing of the Paradox. 149 00:07:00,401 --> 00:07:03,241 Speaker 4: When I got into secondary school, we used to do 150 00:07:03,681 --> 00:07:06,601 Speaker 4: A promoter approached me. We used to do kids events. 151 00:07:07,001 --> 00:07:10,081 Speaker 4: First of all, was called Swarm. It was in Entry, 152 00:07:10,361 --> 00:07:12,961 Speaker 4: just near the Paradox, a little venue called the Kiss. 153 00:07:13,841 --> 00:07:16,401 Speaker 4: But because we were the only DJs in our sort 154 00:07:16,481 --> 00:07:19,481 Speaker 4: of capturments area, the promoter had come to it and go, yeah, 155 00:07:20,281 --> 00:07:23,321 Speaker 4: coming DJ at my event. He's a load of flyers 156 00:07:23,841 --> 00:07:26,801 Speaker 4: and them out to all the kids in Crosby. So 157 00:07:26,841 --> 00:07:29,401 Speaker 4: we were basically with the slaves for them. We weren't 158 00:07:29,401 --> 00:07:30,161 Speaker 4: getting paid. 159 00:07:29,921 --> 00:07:30,521 Speaker 1: For these gigs. 160 00:07:30,561 --> 00:07:33,161 Speaker 4: It was like, but that was the stepping stone to 161 00:07:33,201 --> 00:07:37,081 Speaker 4: get yourself through bedroom DJ to actually be honest days 162 00:07:37,161 --> 00:07:40,121 Speaker 4: and on a flyer, and then obviously the growthing that 163 00:07:40,281 --> 00:07:42,481 Speaker 4: is dead easy once you started doing that, and then 164 00:07:42,761 --> 00:07:46,241 Speaker 4: obviously going into school and DJ inside told that we 165 00:07:46,281 --> 00:07:50,801 Speaker 4: had another event in Southport called the prom and it'd 166 00:07:50,881 --> 00:07:51,881 Speaker 4: be like the Pied Piper. 167 00:07:51,961 --> 00:07:54,241 Speaker 1: I'll be on the train at Crosby train station on. 168 00:07:54,201 --> 00:07:57,921 Speaker 4: A Friday afternoon and there'd be five hundred kids behind 169 00:07:57,961 --> 00:08:00,041 Speaker 4: me like that would be record. 170 00:07:59,761 --> 00:08:02,521 Speaker 1: Boxes on the train, thinking I was some sort of superstar. 171 00:08:03,361 --> 00:08:04,761 Speaker 4: And it the end, they up getting to a point 172 00:08:04,801 --> 00:08:08,081 Speaker 4: where it was like all these kids have enture happen 173 00:08:08,121 --> 00:08:10,001 Speaker 4: And as I say to me, that was the instant 174 00:08:10,041 --> 00:08:13,041 Speaker 4: point I have my dad going Dad's been. Dad worked 175 00:08:13,041 --> 00:08:15,881 Speaker 4: all his life like a proper job. Bus drive it's 176 00:08:15,921 --> 00:08:17,161 Speaker 4: their road. 177 00:08:17,361 --> 00:08:19,001 Speaker 1: You need to get yourself a proper job. So this 178 00:08:19,081 --> 00:08:21,681 Speaker 1: is never going to happen playing records? What do you 179 00:08:21,681 --> 00:08:22,641 Speaker 1: think you are? DJ? 180 00:08:22,841 --> 00:08:25,801 Speaker 4: What's one of them? And then luckily it's worked out 181 00:08:25,841 --> 00:08:26,201 Speaker 4: for me. 182 00:08:27,241 --> 00:08:30,041 Speaker 3: So you would have been popular then in school, would you? 183 00:08:29,761 --> 00:08:32,761 Speaker 4: Well, you're not popular and popular on a Friday afternoon 184 00:08:32,801 --> 00:08:33,801 Speaker 4: when he wanted tickets? 185 00:08:33,881 --> 00:08:36,201 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean? 186 00:08:36,601 --> 00:08:38,281 Speaker 4: I was still I was still a class clown. I 187 00:08:38,361 --> 00:08:40,041 Speaker 4: used to go into school and the teachers to go 188 00:08:40,641 --> 00:08:41,121 Speaker 4: here were you? 189 00:08:41,441 --> 00:08:42,521 Speaker 1: And I go, what you mean? Ago? 190 00:08:42,641 --> 00:08:44,881 Speaker 4: You haven't been here for three weeks? You've been sagging? 191 00:08:45,241 --> 00:08:49,921 Speaker 4: Who are you sorry? There like that? Especially a year 192 00:08:50,041 --> 00:08:52,681 Speaker 4: running up to your exams and all that. I was 193 00:08:52,721 --> 00:08:55,681 Speaker 4: shitting there going, I am in my head, I won't 194 00:08:55,761 --> 00:08:58,561 Speaker 4: getting any GCSEs. So I just sat in me. It 195 00:08:58,681 --> 00:09:01,081 Speaker 4: sat in me exams like that, wrote me name like 196 00:09:01,201 --> 00:09:04,201 Speaker 4: DAF for an hour and hour, looking around for an 197 00:09:04,201 --> 00:09:06,961 Speaker 4: hour and a half and where I don't need these dcses. 198 00:09:07,001 --> 00:09:08,881 Speaker 1: This is pointless. 199 00:09:09,481 --> 00:09:13,121 Speaker 4: Really should should have actually concentrated on them now years 200 00:09:13,161 --> 00:09:15,841 Speaker 4: down the line. But yes, so that was me. I 201 00:09:15,921 --> 00:09:18,721 Speaker 4: come out of school, we work experience. I worked in 202 00:09:19,081 --> 00:09:24,081 Speaker 4: a sounder lighting company fit speakers and clubs. Finished the 203 00:09:24,081 --> 00:09:26,521 Speaker 4: work experience two weeks oo, and then you went to 204 00:09:26,601 --> 00:09:29,641 Speaker 4: on a safty job. Then I went from native working 205 00:09:29,681 --> 00:09:34,161 Speaker 4: and records shops basically glorified car sales. When I buy 206 00:09:34,241 --> 00:09:38,401 Speaker 4: records off of a DJ collection, mark them up, massively 207 00:09:38,641 --> 00:09:40,841 Speaker 4: sell them to the public. And then we sort of 208 00:09:40,841 --> 00:09:43,401 Speaker 4: went from that and I started getting gigs around town, 209 00:09:43,561 --> 00:09:45,481 Speaker 4: the likes of the H five to one and the 210 00:09:45,521 --> 00:09:48,001 Speaker 4: Aquarium and all them sorts of things, and then end 211 00:09:48,121 --> 00:09:52,361 Speaker 4: up being radio shows, and then the music production thing 212 00:09:52,521 --> 00:09:54,361 Speaker 4: come into play, and then that that was just a 213 00:09:54,441 --> 00:09:58,961 Speaker 4: sort of completely different board game of concentrating of what 214 00:09:59,041 --> 00:10:01,401 Speaker 4: I need to sort of home me skills into. 215 00:10:01,881 --> 00:10:03,561 Speaker 3: When did you think what age were you when you 216 00:10:03,841 --> 00:10:07,881 Speaker 3: thought you've a stab this yourself as now a DJ name. 217 00:10:08,521 --> 00:10:12,481 Speaker 4: I'd say, obviously you know Liverpool, You've been involved in 218 00:10:12,521 --> 00:10:12,841 Speaker 4: the club. 219 00:10:12,881 --> 00:10:13,761 Speaker 1: Seeing Liverpool is. 220 00:10:13,801 --> 00:10:17,081 Speaker 4: Very clique, and there was always you would in the 221 00:10:17,401 --> 00:10:21,521 Speaker 4: world wearing the sort of local regional DJs back then. 222 00:10:22,081 --> 00:10:23,921 Speaker 4: You add just like to see you Lee Butlers in 223 00:10:23,961 --> 00:10:27,281 Speaker 4: your Dave Grahams and your Mark Simon's who was sort 224 00:10:27,281 --> 00:10:30,361 Speaker 4: of David the cream of the crop, and very quickly 225 00:10:30,401 --> 00:10:34,681 Speaker 4: when I got involved in the shops selling music, I 226 00:10:34,761 --> 00:10:37,241 Speaker 4: was that young lad whipping biting at the heels of 227 00:10:37,321 --> 00:10:40,721 Speaker 4: these lee butlers because I was selling them records and 228 00:10:40,761 --> 00:10:43,001 Speaker 4: they were like, who's this young kid just turned up 229 00:10:43,041 --> 00:10:45,361 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, he's getting records from me 230 00:10:45,441 --> 00:10:46,121 Speaker 4: and he's doing this. 231 00:10:46,241 --> 00:10:48,321 Speaker 1: And so I'd say rather. 232 00:10:48,201 --> 00:10:52,241 Speaker 4: About sixteen sixteen, I was in deep and it was 233 00:10:52,281 --> 00:10:54,521 Speaker 4: like I was working in nightclubs, I was doing this, 234 00:10:54,721 --> 00:10:57,481 Speaker 4: was doing a teen and seventeen running records shops on 235 00:10:57,561 --> 00:11:00,841 Speaker 4: my own, sell what you need to sell and that bit, 236 00:11:00,961 --> 00:11:03,601 Speaker 4: and it was like it's a vocation. The DJ started 237 00:11:03,681 --> 00:11:06,201 Speaker 4: things back then because you had to You had to 238 00:11:06,241 --> 00:11:08,121 Speaker 4: be able to be confident enough to be able to 239 00:11:08,201 --> 00:11:10,961 Speaker 4: knock on someone's door and go, I can do a 240 00:11:11,001 --> 00:11:13,481 Speaker 4: better job than you whoever you've got in there now, 241 00:11:13,961 --> 00:11:15,641 Speaker 4: and I'll do it for a fraction of the cost. 242 00:11:15,681 --> 00:11:18,441 Speaker 4: And while there I'm working a records shops. Every time 243 00:11:18,641 --> 00:11:21,281 Speaker 4: you pass me a flyer putting in all the bags 244 00:11:21,281 --> 00:11:23,681 Speaker 4: for you. So it was all about this, and the 245 00:11:23,721 --> 00:11:26,841 Speaker 4: whole industry is all about wheeling and dealing, and just locally, 246 00:11:26,881 --> 00:11:29,641 Speaker 4: I was that because I think going back to me 247 00:11:29,801 --> 00:11:32,121 Speaker 4: childs in school because it knew I was not not 248 00:11:32,241 --> 00:11:36,721 Speaker 4: academically clever, and become street wise very quickly. And the 249 00:11:36,761 --> 00:11:39,081 Speaker 4: street wise side of things is the thing that as 250 00:11:39,121 --> 00:11:41,041 Speaker 4: long as you've got the confidence in the in then 251 00:11:41,281 --> 00:11:43,361 Speaker 4: then times to be able to put your ballocks on 252 00:11:43,401 --> 00:11:46,641 Speaker 4: the table and go I can't do this. Generally people 253 00:11:46,761 --> 00:11:49,321 Speaker 4: just take it on board. So were you were you 254 00:11:49,321 --> 00:11:52,161 Speaker 4: a comfort kid at that age with music? 255 00:11:52,241 --> 00:11:54,881 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it didn't phase you playing in a nightclub 256 00:11:55,041 --> 00:11:57,761 Speaker 3: in front of people, it didn't phase you. 257 00:11:57,761 --> 00:12:00,001 Speaker 1: No, it was to be fair. 258 00:12:01,081 --> 00:12:03,001 Speaker 4: It was more the fact that it must be when people 259 00:12:03,041 --> 00:12:06,761 Speaker 4: were standing there, the punters eighty, your old punters there 260 00:12:06,801 --> 00:12:07,561 Speaker 4: looking up for me. 261 00:12:08,201 --> 00:12:10,561 Speaker 1: And there's this I had here and all that. Then 262 00:12:10,681 --> 00:12:12,121 Speaker 1: back then, by the way, this. 263 00:12:12,041 --> 00:12:15,401 Speaker 4: Ladder, the bowl lead generally looks looks like you should 264 00:12:15,481 --> 00:12:19,201 Speaker 4: be in school, little smile on the DJing. It was 265 00:12:19,241 --> 00:12:22,801 Speaker 4: more that than me feeling unconfidence enough to be able 266 00:12:22,801 --> 00:12:26,441 Speaker 4: to do the job. And of course as them years 267 00:12:26,481 --> 00:12:29,401 Speaker 4: progressed into the night club business, the other side of 268 00:12:29,401 --> 00:12:32,401 Speaker 4: things get involved, the drug taking and everything else that 269 00:12:32,561 --> 00:12:33,241 Speaker 4: you'll explain. 270 00:12:33,681 --> 00:12:35,721 Speaker 1: It comes part and part of it. And then when 271 00:12:35,761 --> 00:12:36,921 Speaker 1: you're involved in that. 272 00:12:37,001 --> 00:12:39,841 Speaker 4: In that deep you don't really need the confidence punt 273 00:12:39,841 --> 00:12:40,881 Speaker 4: because you know you're there. 274 00:12:40,761 --> 00:12:41,561 Speaker 1: You're getting paid. 275 00:12:42,161 --> 00:12:44,601 Speaker 4: You get a bit elegant, to be honest, and I'm 276 00:12:44,641 --> 00:12:47,401 Speaker 4: not an alegant person generally, but back in the day 277 00:12:47,441 --> 00:12:49,761 Speaker 4: when because you're one of the main sellers of music 278 00:12:49,841 --> 00:12:52,881 Speaker 4: in the city, you come from working in a small 279 00:12:53,401 --> 00:12:57,321 Speaker 4: second and record store to then eventually being poached to 280 00:12:57,401 --> 00:13:00,681 Speaker 4: work in the main record store as their main seller. 281 00:13:01,641 --> 00:13:04,161 Speaker 4: The whole confidence thing sort of just goes part and 282 00:13:04,201 --> 00:13:05,001 Speaker 4: part of the job. 283 00:13:05,761 --> 00:13:07,801 Speaker 3: I remember when I was over there and my dad 284 00:13:07,801 --> 00:13:10,681 Speaker 3: had the five to one, I could see, even though 285 00:13:10,721 --> 00:13:12,641 Speaker 3: I didn't know them that well, I could see the 286 00:13:12,641 --> 00:13:16,041 Speaker 3: way Lee Butler, even Lee Butler and Dave Graham, you 287 00:13:16,041 --> 00:13:19,641 Speaker 3: could see there was a bitterness between them, even back then, 288 00:13:20,521 --> 00:13:22,841 Speaker 3: even though they were they're playing at the same venue. 289 00:13:22,961 --> 00:13:25,321 Speaker 3: It was like one of them wanting to be the main, 290 00:13:25,721 --> 00:13:29,081 Speaker 3: main act all the time. Yeah, and if he wasn't there, 291 00:13:29,281 --> 00:13:31,801 Speaker 3: you could see the other person was shitted off by it. 292 00:13:31,921 --> 00:13:32,241 Speaker 1: Yeah. 293 00:13:32,321 --> 00:13:35,561 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I think in the small whales that is 294 00:13:37,001 --> 00:13:39,441 Speaker 4: bear in mind when you're looking at the early scenes 295 00:13:39,481 --> 00:13:44,361 Speaker 4: in Liverpool Yards, the earliest points the state you're had 296 00:13:44,401 --> 00:13:46,641 Speaker 4: the bus Club, then you had the five one, then 297 00:13:46,721 --> 00:13:49,321 Speaker 4: you had the smaller things like Heaven, and then you're 298 00:13:49,321 --> 00:13:52,761 Speaker 4: had obviously the Garland side of thing, which was its 299 00:13:52,801 --> 00:13:54,881 Speaker 4: own spectrum in Liverpool Club. 300 00:13:55,241 --> 00:13:55,961 Speaker 1: But then you had the. 301 00:13:55,961 --> 00:13:59,321 Speaker 4: Big Boys, which was Cream. All the Cream thing was 302 00:13:59,721 --> 00:14:02,921 Speaker 4: big national names. People had come to Liverpool just to 303 00:14:02,961 --> 00:14:05,481 Speaker 4: go to cream. And then there was the five to 304 00:14:05,481 --> 00:14:09,201 Speaker 4: one bubble, which was basically all of the scaleys wouldn't 305 00:14:09,201 --> 00:14:11,721 Speaker 4: get into cream, all the local people wouldn't get lucky 306 00:14:11,721 --> 00:14:14,641 Speaker 4: at it and go no, sorry, lads, not tonight, You're 307 00:14:14,641 --> 00:14:17,001 Speaker 4: not coming in, and they did all end up on 308 00:14:17,001 --> 00:14:21,681 Speaker 4: the five and that was understanding that the musical genres 309 00:14:21,681 --> 00:14:24,041 Speaker 4: at the point if you ever heard of the term 310 00:14:24,161 --> 00:14:28,001 Speaker 4: scouse house, that was formulated from Club five to one, 311 00:14:28,281 --> 00:14:33,481 Speaker 4: which was a mixture of offbeat Dutch club d's music 312 00:14:33,681 --> 00:14:37,081 Speaker 4: and then big Youth for trans vocals and that's where 313 00:14:37,161 --> 00:14:40,401 Speaker 4: Scouts House was formed and then years later ended up 314 00:14:40,401 --> 00:14:43,921 Speaker 4: being what we all now know is a Clubland, which 315 00:14:44,041 --> 00:14:46,881 Speaker 4: will explain as we go through the podcast on how 316 00:14:46,921 --> 00:14:51,241 Speaker 4: they how they're part of triggered themselves. But yeah, so 317 00:14:51,521 --> 00:14:53,921 Speaker 4: back in the day it was like we were young, 318 00:14:54,241 --> 00:14:57,201 Speaker 4: so it was the confidence knocks you just went all right, 319 00:14:57,481 --> 00:15:00,001 Speaker 4: not a problem, I'll move on to the next venue. 320 00:15:00,041 --> 00:15:03,081 Speaker 4: As another cassette tape with me laser DJ mix on. 321 00:15:03,921 --> 00:15:08,001 Speaker 4: There's this either way I can do. It was persistency 322 00:15:08,441 --> 00:15:11,201 Speaker 4: and then what obviously once you took your face thingers 323 00:15:11,881 --> 00:15:14,481 Speaker 4: then get to a point where you're getting music that 324 00:15:14,601 --> 00:15:15,681 Speaker 4: no cushion in the shops. 325 00:15:15,721 --> 00:15:16,801 Speaker 1: You're getting music. 326 00:15:16,561 --> 00:15:19,441 Speaker 4: That nobody else is playing, which then makes you a 327 00:15:19,441 --> 00:15:22,561 Speaker 4: little bit exclusive compared to your Lee Butler's. 328 00:15:22,841 --> 00:15:24,361 Speaker 1: You're getting stuff before Lee. 329 00:15:24,241 --> 00:15:26,641 Speaker 4: And Lee's coming to you and going hey, Antley Butler 330 00:15:26,641 --> 00:15:29,121 Speaker 4: and you're playing stuff before me. That's when I end 331 00:15:29,241 --> 00:15:32,001 Speaker 4: up getting poached from going from the small independent shop 332 00:15:32,081 --> 00:15:34,601 Speaker 4: to being in three because I was managing to do 333 00:15:34,681 --> 00:15:37,201 Speaker 4: stuff that they weren't doing or should I shouldn't have 334 00:15:37,241 --> 00:15:38,281 Speaker 4: been able to do at the time. 335 00:15:38,921 --> 00:15:40,441 Speaker 3: Do you think there was a lot of politics in 336 00:15:40,441 --> 00:15:44,681 Speaker 3: the clubland back then, especially about the owners the owners 337 00:15:45,201 --> 00:15:45,881 Speaker 3: saying well. 338 00:15:45,921 --> 00:15:48,721 Speaker 4: It was always the problem is, especially in Liverpool, as 339 00:15:48,721 --> 00:15:52,961 Speaker 4: you know yourself, there was multiple sort of a number 340 00:15:52,961 --> 00:15:57,961 Speaker 4: of owners or runners for the clubs who would run 341 00:15:58,321 --> 00:16:03,121 Speaker 4: the shat event Shame Satame managed owners own multiple small venues, 342 00:16:03,241 --> 00:16:06,561 Speaker 4: so multiple venues at that and then it was more 343 00:16:07,361 --> 00:16:10,641 Speaker 4: dormant dorman with the big thing in Liverpool City centre 344 00:16:10,841 --> 00:16:13,161 Speaker 4: because you had a number of door fames running these 345 00:16:13,241 --> 00:16:15,001 Speaker 4: venues and it was all so. 346 00:16:15,521 --> 00:16:19,281 Speaker 1: The venues themselves weren't really prepared to be at each 347 00:16:19,321 --> 00:16:22,841 Speaker 1: other's throat, but the dorman was see, you know a 348 00:16:22,921 --> 00:16:25,521 Speaker 1: door famous was on that door, and you go, I'm 349 00:16:25,521 --> 00:16:27,281 Speaker 1: not even going to try and get into this place 350 00:16:27,881 --> 00:16:30,641 Speaker 1: because he's just not getting in Garlands prime example. And 351 00:16:30,681 --> 00:16:33,681 Speaker 1: that's why Garlands stood the test of time, I think, 352 00:16:34,161 --> 00:16:37,241 Speaker 1: because it was a gay venue in Liverpool City Center 353 00:16:37,321 --> 00:16:40,481 Speaker 1: and if you went to that door without looking remotely gay, 354 00:16:40,521 --> 00:16:43,521 Speaker 1: you wouldn't get in. And that's the whole reason why 355 00:16:43,561 --> 00:16:47,281 Speaker 1: that venue it was timeless, because even when it was 356 00:16:47,281 --> 00:16:49,881 Speaker 1: to the point where the venue wasn't that busy, they 357 00:16:49,961 --> 00:16:52,121 Speaker 1: were still like id taning up with three lads to 358 00:16:52,161 --> 00:16:53,081 Speaker 1: be just finished somewhere. 359 00:16:53,121 --> 00:16:55,601 Speaker 4: The time we walk up and I'd go, they'd know 360 00:16:55,721 --> 00:16:58,201 Speaker 4: me the dormant. They'd go, Ian, I still can't let 361 00:16:58,241 --> 00:17:03,361 Speaker 4: you in, meat, I'd go, but waiting for you around 362 00:17:03,401 --> 00:17:03,841 Speaker 4: the corner. 363 00:17:04,161 --> 00:17:06,561 Speaker 1: It's not getting That was how it was. But I 364 00:17:06,561 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: think that I. 365 00:17:07,281 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 4: Think that sometimes in most major cities that the key venues. 366 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,561 Speaker 4: They all got their own areo motives and motives how 367 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,001 Speaker 4: their venues should be run. And now it's hard because 368 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,441 Speaker 4: you go to major cities across especially across the UK, 369 00:17:24,041 --> 00:17:26,841 Speaker 4: and I know it's similar in the likes of Sydney. 370 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: Venues to start there anymore, it's. 371 00:17:29,721 --> 00:17:33,921 Speaker 4: So hard and obviously I can sort of confidently put 372 00:17:33,921 --> 00:17:34,601 Speaker 4: me on nothing goes. 373 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: You know, I personally caught the tail end of the 374 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,481 Speaker 1: raid generation of big clubs. 375 00:17:41,321 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 4: I'm so glad I caught that tail end because you 376 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:45,961 Speaker 4: won't see that here again. 377 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you'll get. 378 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 4: The big venues and big venues filled every weekend where 379 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:55,041 Speaker 4: people were just raverers just want to go out and 380 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:57,921 Speaker 4: enjoy them using express what we wanted for the whole week. 381 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,441 Speaker 3: But that's all because back then, you know, we all 382 00:18:00,441 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: we had we didn't have any mobile phones. 383 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 2: There's no social media, so you you went out to party. 384 00:18:04,721 --> 00:18:05,641 Speaker 1: Yeah. 385 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 4: I used to love it because Liverpool's especially one of 386 00:18:08,681 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 4: these places we're not a very affluent city. 387 00:18:13,041 --> 00:18:13,801 Speaker 1: People go out. 388 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 4: It's a proper boarder where the people go out and 389 00:18:16,961 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 4: they grafted all week. 390 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,601 Speaker 1: And I used to see people when I was in. 391 00:18:20,561 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 4: The clubs to short of ninety nine two thousands, and 392 00:18:24,961 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 4: you'd know they'd been grafting all week long to go 393 00:18:28,041 --> 00:18:31,481 Speaker 4: and buy themselves inuitiate and you'd go out and they'd 394 00:18:31,521 --> 00:18:34,921 Speaker 4: spend every penny the event that week on that one 395 00:18:35,001 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: night out, and then you'd see them work again all 396 00:18:37,561 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 4: week grafting, and then next weekend they'd be a new 397 00:18:40,761 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 4: shate or a new dress and they'd go wait for 398 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:49,201 Speaker 4: weeks to come here Avenue and best night of my life, 399 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:52,281 Speaker 4: see you next week, and you'd go, Wow, that's dedication. 400 00:18:52,961 --> 00:18:56,001 Speaker 1: That's where I think, as you said before, the. 401 00:18:56,241 --> 00:19:00,120 Speaker 4: Mobile phone thing, the social media thing, the way people 402 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 4: listen to music these days, it's probably been a massive 403 00:19:04,041 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: downfall to the the nightclub industry because if you want 404 00:19:08,681 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 4: to go and listen to Lee Butler, you wouldn't be 405 00:19:11,921 --> 00:19:14,321 Speaker 4: able to listen to Lee Butler anywhere other than going 406 00:19:14,321 --> 00:19:17,001 Speaker 4: in the O five one correct. You couldn't listen to 407 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: them on your phone. You might run by a tape 408 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,801 Speaker 4: pack and you've rinsed the tape pack thirty times. You 409 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 4: know every mix, every word, but you want to go 410 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 4: on experience and experience, and now with technology of evolving 411 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,161 Speaker 4: the way technology has evolved. 412 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,161 Speaker 1: I think it has killed what weird know as a nightclub. 413 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's only ever going to get It's 414 00:19:39,281 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 4: going to keep spardaling that way I feel. 415 00:19:42,001 --> 00:19:43,761 Speaker 3: But do you think that the way it's going to 416 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: has it benefited DJs? 417 00:19:46,441 --> 00:19:50,521 Speaker 4: Well, it's it's strange for me because bear in mind 418 00:19:50,961 --> 00:19:54,681 Speaker 4: the music I released the first records was twenty three 419 00:19:54,761 --> 00:20:00,120 Speaker 4: years ago was green Eyes, and twenty three years later, 420 00:20:00,241 --> 00:20:03,761 Speaker 4: I'm busier than I've ever been, but I have didge 421 00:20:03,801 --> 00:20:07,081 Speaker 4: one hundred shows a year, but most of them shows 422 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,761 Speaker 4: are festivals. And what it is now is my generation 423 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,961 Speaker 4: of people who are going club and who remember that 424 00:20:13,001 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 4: record have now got kids and them kids are starting 425 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 4: to go out. So it's a strange world at the moment. 426 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,761 Speaker 4: So I go to festivals and there's mums and dads 427 00:20:23,761 --> 00:20:27,241 Speaker 4: out with their eighteen year old children and are taken 428 00:20:27,281 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 4: them to these raves. And because luckily for me green 429 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,201 Speaker 4: Eyes is being synonymous is one of them timeless records. 430 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,001 Speaker 1: They now know what the record is. So I've shorted 431 00:20:39,001 --> 00:20:41,961 Speaker 1: for me. The way it's worked out, it's brilliant. 432 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 4: I get enough winter shows and I get loads of 433 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,241 Speaker 4: festival shows in the summer get some international bits as 434 00:20:48,241 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 4: we go along. 435 00:20:49,561 --> 00:20:53,001 Speaker 1: Would I say it's helped or disgrunted other DJs? 436 00:20:53,241 --> 00:20:56,961 Speaker 4: If I was starting DJ, and now if I was 437 00:20:57,001 --> 00:21:00,281 Speaker 4: a young kid, I wouldn't know where to start because 438 00:21:00,801 --> 00:21:05,321 Speaker 4: most bars and venues, especially in the northwest Liverpool, because 439 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 4: you've got your hand, DJs are going out and playing 440 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 4: fifty quid, sixty quid, one hundred and fifty dollars for 441 00:21:12,001 --> 00:21:15,281 Speaker 4: the night. And you go for the night, you work 442 00:21:15,321 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 4: in seven hours. You get to people outside flying and 443 00:21:18,521 --> 00:21:21,561 Speaker 4: get more wages than you. But that's because the venue 444 00:21:21,561 --> 00:21:24,001 Speaker 4: owners go I know you want to be a DJ, 445 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:25,801 Speaker 4: and that's the only way you can do it is 446 00:21:25,801 --> 00:21:28,961 Speaker 4: by working here for me. So I wouldn't like to 447 00:21:29,001 --> 00:21:31,281 Speaker 4: say don't try it as a job. But i'd also 448 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,441 Speaker 4: turn on sway go to school because I didn't, which 449 00:21:34,481 --> 00:21:35,281 Speaker 4: was a big main thing. 450 00:21:35,481 --> 00:21:36,001 Speaker 1: You know, that's right. 451 00:21:36,001 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: It's funny you say that because I've actually heard that 452 00:21:37,921 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 3: over here that are a lot of even well known DJs 453 00:21:41,921 --> 00:21:44,121 Speaker 3: are not saying that they're not getting paid and they're 454 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:46,601 Speaker 3: playing at the venues for free just so they can 455 00:21:46,681 --> 00:21:47,921 Speaker 3: keep going and getting their name out there. 456 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 4: It's strange, Don't get me wrong. I do throughout the 457 00:21:51,961 --> 00:21:54,721 Speaker 4: course of a year. I might do one or two 458 00:21:54,801 --> 00:21:57,641 Speaker 4: festivals where my agents or manager will phone me and go, 459 00:21:58,801 --> 00:22:01,521 Speaker 4: you really need to be on this lineup, but they're 460 00:22:01,521 --> 00:22:03,881 Speaker 4: not willing to pay your full fee, and I go, 461 00:22:04,281 --> 00:22:06,761 Speaker 4: all right, I'll work with your honor working back well. 462 00:22:06,761 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 4: Obviously that that's very few and far between. But someone 463 00:22:11,321 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 4: someone young trying to break it now, I don't know 464 00:22:15,201 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 4: how they do it. The big thing is that which 465 00:22:18,321 --> 00:22:20,921 Speaker 4: comes hand in hand with DJing is now is being 466 00:22:20,921 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 4: able to give yourself an identity and the identities making music. 467 00:22:24,481 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: But even that's a hard that's such a hard nutter. 468 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,001 Speaker 4: Crack because there's a million records get put on Spotify 469 00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 4: on a daily basis. 470 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,881 Speaker 1: So how do view as a music producer. 471 00:22:34,961 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 4: Managed to make your music stand up over the top 472 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 4: of the nine hundred and ninety nine nine hundred and 473 00:22:41,441 --> 00:22:43,041 Speaker 4: ninety nine that have been released today? 474 00:22:43,561 --> 00:22:46,441 Speaker 3: Do you think even back when I was going out 475 00:22:46,441 --> 00:22:51,281 Speaker 3: for Theopoolopool was the main city in the UK for partying, 476 00:22:51,321 --> 00:22:53,001 Speaker 3: do you still think it's like that or it's lost 477 00:22:53,041 --> 00:22:54,041 Speaker 3: it's it's lost it now. 478 00:22:54,561 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, at the moment, the way the UK economy is, 479 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 4: I think since COVID, I think the dream of people 480 00:23:03,241 --> 00:23:06,241 Speaker 4: going out every weekend is gone, and I think that's 481 00:23:06,321 --> 00:23:08,241 Speaker 4: purely after COVID. 482 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: It never really The first. 483 00:23:10,681 --> 00:23:13,041 Speaker 4: Year back after COVID was the busiest year I've ever 484 00:23:13,041 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 4: had because everyone wants to just get out of the house. 485 00:23:16,521 --> 00:23:21,041 Speaker 4: I feel now the economy is, especially in the UK, 486 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,321 Speaker 4: the economy is so stretched when you're looking at the 487 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 4: cost of living here compared to the general person's wage. 488 00:23:29,041 --> 00:23:32,161 Speaker 1: Going out every weekend it's very hard. 489 00:23:32,801 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 4: So on a normal Saturday night in Liverpool still really busy, 490 00:23:37,761 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 4: but it's really busy with generally with people coming to 491 00:23:40,761 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 4: go and watch Liverpool play football, to go out and 492 00:23:43,961 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 4: stag and ends where they traveled to Liverpool for that 493 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:50,001 Speaker 4: one night out because it is generally Liverpool's a great 494 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 4: nights out. I've damaged that for meself because I've worked 495 00:23:53,761 --> 00:23:56,761 Speaker 4: with all them venues, so I don't me going out now. 496 00:23:56,801 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 4: As I'm old, my idea of a night out is 497 00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:01,801 Speaker 4: a bottle of wine and something nice to eat. Because 498 00:24:01,801 --> 00:24:04,761 Speaker 4: I'm in nightclubs every weekend. 499 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:05,561 Speaker 1: It's like me. 500 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 4: Going, oh, a work as a painter and decorator and 501 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 4: what I'm going to do on my nights off I'm 502 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,801 Speaker 4: gonna go stand him being cute, smell paint, do you 503 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:14,321 Speaker 4: know what I mean? 504 00:24:14,441 --> 00:24:17,321 Speaker 1: It's like so I don't really go out. 505 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 4: I generally go and have a wonder ram of mid 506 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,401 Speaker 4: nights off, I'll go and have a look and see 507 00:24:21,441 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 4: what the city is like. 508 00:24:22,241 --> 00:24:23,201 Speaker 1: City is still good. 509 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 4: It's just as if two thousands, two thousand and one, 510 00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:33,761 Speaker 4: when it was just every street was absolutely heaven. It's 511 00:24:33,801 --> 00:24:37,761 Speaker 4: just gone. I can't see any unless it's a bank holiday, 512 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:42,321 Speaker 4: a key weekend, pay weekend. I just can't see any 513 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:44,041 Speaker 4: city in the UK being that busy. 514 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: But I've seen that the Butler opened five to one again. 515 00:24:47,961 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 3: He fairly sitting open up. Then he's doing things at 516 00:24:50,241 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: the State again. But is it getting the crowds that 517 00:24:52,681 --> 00:24:54,041 Speaker 3: it used to or is it just like. 518 00:24:54,201 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 4: Well, if you look at it, what he've done is 519 00:24:56,801 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 4: that Lee's very take me out off the Lee because 520 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,561 Speaker 4: he's missedter Liverpool. 521 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,761 Speaker 1: When it comes to dance events. 522 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 4: So he's always got some think bubbling, whether it's a 523 00:25:06,681 --> 00:25:10,281 Speaker 4: daytime brunch, whether he's got the State of over thirties 524 00:25:10,281 --> 00:25:14,281 Speaker 4: and over forties events, the typical club five to one reunions. 525 00:25:14,921 --> 00:25:16,561 Speaker 1: What the good thing Lee's done? 526 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,521 Speaker 4: Is if you look at the likes of the five 527 00:25:18,561 --> 00:25:22,041 Speaker 4: to one being close to your heart. It's become an 528 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 4: event space. So they might only open it once a month. 529 00:25:26,001 --> 00:25:28,041 Speaker 4: Once it'd be two months, but then they might hire 530 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,321 Speaker 4: that space out to Bob who's now a wrestling promoter 531 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,321 Speaker 4: and they put a wrestling ring in they But then 532 00:25:35,441 --> 00:25:39,721 Speaker 4: that's generally and that's what nightclubs are these days. Generally, 533 00:25:39,801 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 4: most nightclubs, unless you've got a massive capturement area and 534 00:25:43,921 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 4: you're the only venue in that area, to open up 535 00:25:47,041 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 4: every single week is going to be hard. So I 536 00:25:48,761 --> 00:25:52,201 Speaker 4: play a lot of small mill towns across the country 537 00:25:52,241 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 4: where the only thing they've got there is a post 538 00:25:54,201 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 4: office and news agent, had travel, an off license, a. 539 00:25:58,281 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: Pub and a nightclub. 540 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 4: And in their nightclubs you get everyone from a sixty 541 00:26:03,001 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 4: five year old Honor zimmer Favor twenty one year old 542 00:26:06,001 --> 00:26:08,681 Speaker 4: who has never been out before. They are the cantons 543 00:26:08,721 --> 00:26:12,521 Speaker 4: areas where you go. They'll always survive. When you're in 544 00:26:12,561 --> 00:26:16,041 Speaker 4: a big major city like Liverpool or Manchester or Birmingham, 545 00:26:16,481 --> 00:26:18,321 Speaker 4: generally nowadays it's event led. 546 00:26:18,521 --> 00:26:20,561 Speaker 1: So what they'll do is promoters will hang off. 547 00:26:20,681 --> 00:26:24,521 Speaker 4: You'll put a lineup on of ten DJs making a 548 00:26:24,521 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 4: big special night and yoursell at for thirty five forty ticket, 549 00:26:28,561 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 4: which is then did you one of them in that 550 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,041 Speaker 4: venue every three months and then one at another venue 551 00:26:34,041 --> 00:26:37,401 Speaker 4: which will have a slightly different sales demographic. That's any 552 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 4: way you can work at these days, and then then 553 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,321 Speaker 4: you've got the big festivals people save up nowadays. Go 554 00:26:42,441 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 4: to a Glastonbury, go to a cream Fields, go to 555 00:26:45,001 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 4: a Reminisce. That's their big blowout the year. Should you 556 00:26:47,961 --> 00:26:50,561 Speaker 4: get all the money together and putting the paying the 557 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 4: tickets off weekly and all the normal stuff. And then 558 00:26:53,761 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 4: concerts engine end up at Reminisce the end of the 559 00:26:56,681 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 4: summer season, thousand people in the field and that's their 560 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:01,761 Speaker 4: big blowout. 561 00:27:02,001 --> 00:27:05,161 Speaker 2: Due tube a fake clubs or or festivals to play. 562 00:27:04,921 --> 00:27:07,001 Speaker 1: It's weird for me again. 563 00:27:07,721 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 4: I can go from playing a thirty thousand festival fields 564 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 4: to playing a two hundred and fifty man venue and 565 00:27:15,481 --> 00:27:17,721 Speaker 4: have a better fun in the children and fifty man 566 00:27:17,801 --> 00:27:19,161 Speaker 4: venue than the two at the festival. 567 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: Just depends on the show. 568 00:27:21,001 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 4: Like you go in some venues and I love the 569 00:27:23,201 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 4: intimacy sometimes if the punter being there in front. 570 00:27:26,921 --> 00:27:32,201 Speaker 1: Of you, the pumps and over them. 571 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 4: Shaking your hand high five and you feel the vibe 572 00:27:33,681 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 4: of the dance floor could it's right on top of you. 573 00:27:36,001 --> 00:27:38,121 Speaker 4: But then you could go and to a main stage 574 00:27:38,201 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 4: festival where it's just bodies from eye to see. You 575 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 4: can't see anything else, and it's about your show is 576 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:46,361 Speaker 4: about reactions. 577 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,281 Speaker 1: So you play a certain record and they get the reaction. 578 00:27:49,921 --> 00:27:53,521 Speaker 4: They're then moments that you go oh shivers because you 579 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,641 Speaker 4: go wow, and they're obviously the big thing. Now, as 580 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,201 Speaker 4: we said about phones, everything's recorded, so the next thing 581 00:27:59,241 --> 00:28:01,481 Speaker 4: you start getting tagged this well. 582 00:28:01,281 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: Off you come on Auto partilots. 583 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 4: But then you on your way home three o'clock in 584 00:28:07,281 --> 00:28:11,001 Speaker 4: the morning for Cardiff, someone tagging in the video and 585 00:28:11,041 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 4: you go, wow, I gotta play and it waked. 586 00:28:15,321 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: I'll have to remember that work because I'll play that 587 00:28:17,321 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: next and that never do you forget about it. 588 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,201 Speaker 2: When was your first gig overseas? 589 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,001 Speaker 4: I had a residency, so two we done Green Eyes 590 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,041 Speaker 4: two thousand and two, two thousand and three, then we 591 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:35,521 Speaker 4: Don't Feeling Fine six months later, and then I basically 592 00:28:35,721 --> 00:28:38,681 Speaker 4: managed to get myself a residency in New Yorker for BCM, 593 00:28:39,401 --> 00:28:42,281 Speaker 4: and I basically said, well, I've done the record business, 594 00:28:42,361 --> 00:28:44,361 Speaker 4: the shop business had left the shop. I was just 595 00:28:44,481 --> 00:28:46,761 Speaker 4: tor in DJ and at this point I had a 596 00:28:46,841 --> 00:28:50,401 Speaker 4: DJ school which I had someone running teaching kids out 597 00:28:50,441 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 4: of DJ, which was a bit of a downfall for 598 00:28:53,521 --> 00:28:56,041 Speaker 4: me because I was paying someone and they went doing 599 00:28:56,041 --> 00:28:57,921 Speaker 4: the job. I wasn't even living in the country. I 600 00:28:57,961 --> 00:28:59,401 Speaker 4: was living in New York. I think that was some 601 00:28:59,521 --> 00:29:04,281 Speaker 4: big superstar. So yeah, waiting New Yorker for the Wednesday 602 00:29:04,361 --> 00:29:06,601 Speaker 4: night throughout the summers. 603 00:29:06,721 --> 00:29:08,361 Speaker 1: I was there for five years. 604 00:29:09,041 --> 00:29:12,401 Speaker 4: So that was my first international and then even things 605 00:29:12,441 --> 00:29:15,841 Speaker 4: like when I came to Sydney. The reason why me 606 00:29:15,881 --> 00:29:19,881 Speaker 4: and Alex are so palid two thousand and five, the 607 00:29:20,321 --> 00:29:23,801 Speaker 4: Soon Army I hit Thailand. That was on Boxing Day. 608 00:29:24,281 --> 00:29:26,601 Speaker 4: Me being a dick as I am when on the 609 00:29:26,681 --> 00:29:29,761 Speaker 4: flight plans and seeing the flights with three arms of 610 00:29:29,841 --> 00:29:35,601 Speaker 4: quid return, so I went, I'm going to Thailand tomorrow, 611 00:29:36,481 --> 00:29:38,841 Speaker 4: no jabs, no not and just got book a flight, 612 00:29:38,921 --> 00:29:42,361 Speaker 4: got a backpack, went backpack and run't Ireland for things 613 00:29:42,401 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 4: had done three four or five, maybe seven weeks and 614 00:29:46,801 --> 00:29:49,201 Speaker 4: we were within that time. I'm talking to Alex because 615 00:29:49,241 --> 00:29:51,601 Speaker 4: of known Alex, because he's sent me me back over 616 00:29:52,241 --> 00:29:56,001 Speaker 4: and he went when you come over yet, come and 617 00:29:56,081 --> 00:29:56,801 Speaker 4: spend a couple. 618 00:29:56,641 --> 00:29:59,161 Speaker 1: Of weeks with me, and it was like it's going 619 00:29:59,241 --> 00:30:00,361 Speaker 1: to be better than Thailand. 620 00:30:00,561 --> 00:30:02,881 Speaker 4: Went over there and ended up playing for what was 621 00:30:02,921 --> 00:30:07,161 Speaker 4: it was it Roads the Venue Rogues played there once 622 00:30:07,241 --> 00:30:10,721 Speaker 4: with that with Alex, and then I've been back a 623 00:30:10,801 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 4: few times since, playing a different bro We were lent 624 00:30:13,041 --> 00:30:15,081 Speaker 4: to actually, funnily and off we were due to come 625 00:30:15,121 --> 00:30:18,761 Speaker 4: over just before COVID, all the flights of books, everything 626 00:30:18,881 --> 00:30:20,761 Speaker 4: was done. Me and Alex meant to be doing a 627 00:30:20,801 --> 00:30:24,401 Speaker 4: show together and then obviously the world had a different idea, 628 00:30:25,161 --> 00:30:28,561 Speaker 4: so and it was meant to just being promoters in 629 00:30:28,601 --> 00:30:30,641 Speaker 4: Sydney in the last couple of months to have gone, 630 00:30:31,001 --> 00:30:32,641 Speaker 4: let's put a show together, let's put a bit of 631 00:30:32,641 --> 00:30:36,081 Speaker 4: tour together. And it's always either being fallen through or 632 00:30:36,161 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 4: something hasn't lined up, and it's just like, I'll be 633 00:30:39,481 --> 00:30:40,561 Speaker 4: back over I like. 634 00:30:40,641 --> 00:30:42,521 Speaker 1: I like playing golf over there. That's the big thing. 635 00:30:42,561 --> 00:30:43,161 Speaker 1: I like the heat. 636 00:30:43,881 --> 00:30:46,281 Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. I played for the first time I played 637 00:30:46,281 --> 00:30:47,161 Speaker 2: golf over I came. 638 00:30:47,321 --> 00:30:50,041 Speaker 3: I've only been over here from the UK for out 639 00:30:50,121 --> 00:30:54,801 Speaker 3: two weeks and I was living called my ball went 640 00:30:54,801 --> 00:30:58,041 Speaker 3: into the rough and I went fuck so you know 641 00:30:58,161 --> 00:30:59,761 Speaker 3: me playing because I used to play golf course at 642 00:30:59,801 --> 00:31:00,801 Speaker 3: alt and golf course. 643 00:31:00,641 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: And all like that in England. 644 00:31:02,841 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 3: And I went into the rough to get it and 645 00:31:04,241 --> 00:31:07,081 Speaker 3: I thought, fact, I said, normal balls and attire. I said, 646 00:31:07,081 --> 00:31:08,481 Speaker 3: so can I pick it up and get it out? 647 00:31:08,561 --> 00:31:10,961 Speaker 3: And he goes, yeah, go for it, and I said, 648 00:31:10,961 --> 00:31:12,361 Speaker 3: all right, so we to pick it up. I didn't 649 00:31:12,361 --> 00:31:14,081 Speaker 3: know it was a fucking it was a snake. It 650 00:31:14,161 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: was a red belly. It was so fucking massive. It 651 00:31:17,761 --> 00:31:19,801 Speaker 3: was killed the raffles I did. I'd never seen a 652 00:31:19,841 --> 00:31:22,521 Speaker 3: snake before, so it was actually a fucking snake. 653 00:31:23,041 --> 00:31:23,921 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is. 654 00:31:24,681 --> 00:31:28,841 Speaker 4: I played with them, is it the lad the Sunset Brothers? 655 00:31:29,121 --> 00:31:33,201 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, played with them golf and the most weird 656 00:31:33,241 --> 00:31:33,841 Speaker 4: of experience. 657 00:31:34,001 --> 00:31:36,281 Speaker 1: Don't go in there to be spiders. What's a spider? 658 00:31:36,361 --> 00:31:38,841 Speaker 4: And he went that fucking big it'll have your hand off, 659 00:31:38,921 --> 00:31:42,161 Speaker 4: and I went, I'll leave that, leave that fall. 660 00:31:44,481 --> 00:31:46,041 Speaker 1: Being over there me so. 661 00:31:46,281 --> 00:31:48,641 Speaker 3: To tell me, so, all right, before we get into 662 00:31:48,761 --> 00:31:51,961 Speaker 3: all the music that you've made, how did Ultra beat start? 663 00:31:52,201 --> 00:31:58,401 Speaker 4: So Ultra going back to the record shot days again, 664 00:31:58,521 --> 00:32:01,561 Speaker 4: me being the confident person, I was me and the 665 00:32:01,641 --> 00:32:04,081 Speaker 4: main front guy for ult It was a fellow called Mike, 666 00:32:04,121 --> 00:32:06,881 Speaker 4: the Scarlet out of the Camel Fat fame. You know 667 00:32:07,041 --> 00:32:10,681 Speaker 4: Camel Fat are So I was working at the independent 668 00:32:10,761 --> 00:32:14,001 Speaker 4: shop downstairs in a place called the Palace on wood 669 00:32:14,081 --> 00:32:16,961 Speaker 4: Streat and Liverpool, and upstairs there was the big shot 670 00:32:17,041 --> 00:32:18,321 Speaker 4: called three Weet Records. 671 00:32:19,241 --> 00:32:22,041 Speaker 1: He was the security guard. He was only a year 672 00:32:22,081 --> 00:32:24,641 Speaker 1: older than me, but he was a fucking big unit. 673 00:32:25,001 --> 00:32:27,041 Speaker 4: See they made used to sit in the corner and 674 00:32:27,081 --> 00:32:30,241 Speaker 4: make sure no one was robbing records. So we got 675 00:32:30,281 --> 00:32:33,081 Speaker 4: speaking and we ended up getting into it. He had 676 00:32:33,321 --> 00:32:36,201 Speaker 4: a basic studio in his house and I me being 677 00:32:36,241 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 4: the cocky paste and I am used to phone record 678 00:32:38,601 --> 00:32:41,641 Speaker 4: labels and go can I do a remix of this later? 679 00:32:41,801 --> 00:32:44,001 Speaker 4: Soon they go no, either, go te him from the 680 00:32:44,041 --> 00:32:46,601 Speaker 4: record shop. Don't pay me for it. Just give me 681 00:32:46,641 --> 00:32:48,561 Speaker 4: the parts and I'll go and remixing and see what 682 00:32:48,561 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 4: you're thinking of You like you can, you can give 683 00:32:50,321 --> 00:32:54,001 Speaker 4: us a couple of quids. So we'd probably done twenty 684 00:32:54,121 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 4: remixes major remixes before we had our first release. And 685 00:32:57,761 --> 00:33:00,401 Speaker 4: it was just me being dead cheeky. I'm not going 686 00:33:00,441 --> 00:33:02,521 Speaker 4: to give up until he gave me some parts. I'm 687 00:33:02,561 --> 00:33:04,321 Speaker 4: not going to give up until he gave me this remix, 688 00:33:04,361 --> 00:33:06,441 Speaker 4: he may just give me and I leave it alone 689 00:33:06,561 --> 00:33:09,361 Speaker 4: and lovely. So it's sort of waved to a point 690 00:33:09,361 --> 00:33:11,521 Speaker 4: where the labels we started going, okay, have a little 691 00:33:11,521 --> 00:33:14,241 Speaker 4: go of this and we'll give you fifteen hundred quids 692 00:33:14,241 --> 00:33:16,161 Speaker 4: for the remix, and me and me and me, me 693 00:33:16,201 --> 00:33:18,681 Speaker 4: and Mike thought we were rich. And then we went 694 00:33:18,721 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 4: in the studio and we were going to all the 695 00:33:22,521 --> 00:33:25,841 Speaker 4: old big hardcore rave music that we used to love 696 00:33:25,881 --> 00:33:28,401 Speaker 4: and green Yes come about and it was like can 697 00:33:28,441 --> 00:33:28,841 Speaker 4: we do it? 698 00:33:28,921 --> 00:33:31,161 Speaker 1: And Mike went, I need to test this microphone had 699 00:33:31,201 --> 00:33:31,641 Speaker 1: just bought. 700 00:33:32,001 --> 00:33:34,401 Speaker 4: Go on there to do him, took his sock off 701 00:33:34,401 --> 00:33:38,681 Speaker 4: because he had no pop guard on it, sung this record. 702 00:33:39,481 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 4: And then two weeks later we were playing off CD 703 00:33:42,721 --> 00:33:46,281 Speaker 4: in a nightclub and then the patient who waited three 704 00:33:46,281 --> 00:33:49,201 Speaker 4: beat records if I called Les Calvert went Suri right, 705 00:33:49,601 --> 00:33:52,441 Speaker 4: this record label and Blackburn want to buy this record 706 00:33:52,481 --> 00:33:56,521 Speaker 4: off you. Okay, let them MAVI and big loads of 707 00:33:56,641 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 4: zeros on a check and I went, my word, I've 708 00:34:00,521 --> 00:34:02,641 Speaker 4: never seen that. That's fake. It's got to be fake. 709 00:34:02,801 --> 00:34:04,641 Speaker 4: It was like, no, no, that's yours. And that was 710 00:34:04,681 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 4: the point where it went okay, this something in this music, lik, do. 711 00:34:09,561 --> 00:34:11,561 Speaker 3: You look back at and like things like that because 712 00:34:12,401 --> 00:34:17,561 Speaker 3: it's that song plus feeling fine are so strong to 713 00:34:17,561 --> 00:34:20,121 Speaker 3: this day, does it make you give you goose bumsle 714 00:34:20,481 --> 00:34:22,561 Speaker 3: or you proud that you know what you've done to 715 00:34:23,481 --> 00:34:25,161 Speaker 3: that you've gone. 716 00:34:25,481 --> 00:34:27,361 Speaker 2: It's still fucking massive to this day. 717 00:34:27,961 --> 00:34:30,601 Speaker 4: It's one of them records that even to this day, 718 00:34:30,641 --> 00:34:32,641 Speaker 4: obviously I'm out playing every weekend. 719 00:34:32,681 --> 00:34:34,481 Speaker 1: They get asked to play it tea four times in a. 720 00:34:34,521 --> 00:34:38,921 Speaker 4: Set playing it, Well, it's just part and part of 721 00:34:38,921 --> 00:34:41,561 Speaker 4: the show when people are playing it here to be there, 722 00:34:41,561 --> 00:34:43,201 Speaker 4: you've got to play. 723 00:34:43,481 --> 00:34:45,641 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but are you over it? Like it's been 724 00:34:45,681 --> 00:34:46,601 Speaker 2: fucking like you said. 725 00:34:48,081 --> 00:34:51,281 Speaker 4: When you face Dad and you were here on the 726 00:34:51,361 --> 00:34:53,521 Speaker 4: radio and you were going on with this record all 727 00:34:53,561 --> 00:34:53,921 Speaker 4: the time. 728 00:34:54,081 --> 00:34:54,801 Speaker 1: Ad there a. 729 00:34:54,801 --> 00:35:00,801 Speaker 4: Thousand times before you sat in the studio're listening to it? 730 00:35:02,081 --> 00:35:06,761 Speaker 1: So yeah. Obviously for me, we were always a faceless band. 731 00:35:06,841 --> 00:35:09,321 Speaker 4: See when you look at boy bands as what you'd 732 00:35:09,321 --> 00:35:12,361 Speaker 4: expect us to be. When we went on to done 733 00:35:12,361 --> 00:35:15,081 Speaker 4: the Likes the Top of the Pops, which was something 734 00:35:15,121 --> 00:35:17,801 Speaker 4: that never happened for a dance act, We've got the 735 00:35:17,881 --> 00:35:21,801 Speaker 4: pistol card was Chris Moyles, Mike looks like a waiter. 736 00:35:22,641 --> 00:35:26,201 Speaker 4: Chris and Ian both looked like car thieves that he. 737 00:35:26,321 --> 00:35:27,801 Speaker 1: Said this on Radio One. 738 00:35:28,001 --> 00:35:30,961 Speaker 4: It's just like, what the fuck are we just getting 739 00:35:30,961 --> 00:35:33,481 Speaker 4: the pistol card of us here? But it's one of 740 00:35:33,481 --> 00:35:38,401 Speaker 4: them records that still to this day, well generally I 741 00:35:38,441 --> 00:35:41,321 Speaker 4: could live off the royalties offered, which is unheard off. 742 00:35:42,121 --> 00:35:43,921 Speaker 2: Who came up with Feeling Fine? Who came up with that? 743 00:35:44,001 --> 00:35:45,361 Speaker 1: Well again Feeling Farmers? 744 00:35:45,361 --> 00:35:48,841 Speaker 4: That both records were actually covers, so they were both 745 00:35:48,881 --> 00:35:52,601 Speaker 4: happy ourdcore records, both Feeling Farmers done by Darden Styles 746 00:35:52,641 --> 00:35:57,481 Speaker 4: on his own and Forcing Styles done green Eyes. So 747 00:35:57,721 --> 00:36:00,081 Speaker 4: it was a Feeling finds a little bit of a 748 00:36:00,121 --> 00:36:02,841 Speaker 4: boney contention with us because we've done that record. We 749 00:36:02,921 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 4: went to number two national charts with Green Eyes, and 750 00:36:06,481 --> 00:36:10,521 Speaker 4: then that was sort of August, and then the record 751 00:36:10,601 --> 00:36:12,361 Speaker 4: label like, Bright, we need to get the next single out, 752 00:36:12,561 --> 00:36:14,721 Speaker 4: next single come out, and we decided to release a 753 00:36:14,841 --> 00:36:19,921 Speaker 4: Christmas week of that year, and you go, now, thinking back, 754 00:36:19,961 --> 00:36:22,281 Speaker 4: you go, what the fucking hell of you're done here? 755 00:36:22,681 --> 00:36:26,081 Speaker 4: Because you're up against mister Blobby Mariah Carey. 756 00:36:26,441 --> 00:36:28,201 Speaker 1: Who else was in the chart that week? 757 00:36:28,681 --> 00:36:32,361 Speaker 4: And you never a dance record basally nothing to do 758 00:36:32,441 --> 00:36:33,201 Speaker 4: with Christmas. 759 00:36:33,241 --> 00:36:37,761 Speaker 1: Secondly, you've got Cliff Richard Day, You've got so it 760 00:36:37,841 --> 00:36:38,881 Speaker 1: went to number eleven. 761 00:36:39,081 --> 00:36:42,961 Speaker 4: So on paper, if we had done that seven days later, 762 00:36:43,321 --> 00:36:45,161 Speaker 4: that would have been a number one record, and that 763 00:36:45,241 --> 00:36:47,201 Speaker 4: had been that had have been bigger than Green Eyes. 764 00:36:47,601 --> 00:36:50,561 Speaker 4: But the bone of contention was the record label were like, 765 00:36:51,201 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 4: we know what we're doing, and in reality they did 766 00:36:54,561 --> 00:36:57,481 Speaker 4: not know what they were doing. But sales wise had 767 00:36:57,481 --> 00:37:00,641 Speaker 4: still done all right. And then obviously after that we 768 00:37:00,721 --> 00:37:03,841 Speaker 4: had a bit of a torn plan for maybe two 769 00:37:03,881 --> 00:37:06,521 Speaker 4: to three years, living in each other's pockets all the time. 770 00:37:06,561 --> 00:37:08,561 Speaker 4: It ended up wanting to kill each other because we 771 00:37:08,601 --> 00:37:12,161 Speaker 4: were constantly working. And then we took a little bit 772 00:37:12,201 --> 00:37:15,161 Speaker 4: of sabbatical and then we released the first album in 773 00:37:15,201 --> 00:37:18,161 Speaker 4: two thousand and seven, which went gold. And then it 774 00:37:18,241 --> 00:37:21,521 Speaker 4: was after that point it was like is this sound 775 00:37:21,601 --> 00:37:24,041 Speaker 4: going to wake any long? When the record label wanted 776 00:37:24,121 --> 00:37:26,721 Speaker 4: us to keep putting stuff out and they went selling 777 00:37:26,761 --> 00:37:28,681 Speaker 4: that many units and it got to a point and 778 00:37:28,721 --> 00:37:32,361 Speaker 4: then obviously Mike took a step back and went, I'm 779 00:37:32,401 --> 00:37:35,521 Speaker 4: going to do this camera f acting. That's a different 780 00:37:35,801 --> 00:37:40,361 Speaker 4: he's in a different legal together. He deserves us well with. 781 00:37:40,281 --> 00:37:42,921 Speaker 3: That, like after them two that came out that you know, 782 00:37:43,041 --> 00:37:46,321 Speaker 3: green Eyes and then feeling fine, your status or all 783 00:37:46,361 --> 00:37:49,681 Speaker 3: of your statuses went up. Did that bring more pressure 784 00:37:49,681 --> 00:37:52,281 Speaker 3: on news or with the fam all like that, or 785 00:37:52,361 --> 00:37:55,361 Speaker 3: you don't face it it need is it still didn't 786 00:37:55,401 --> 00:37:55,801 Speaker 3: sink in. 787 00:37:56,041 --> 00:38:00,201 Speaker 4: Bear in mind we were three scallies when I was 788 00:38:00,241 --> 00:38:03,201 Speaker 4: working in the record shop, but the small records shop. 789 00:38:03,881 --> 00:38:07,281 Speaker 4: I was on sixty pounds the day, right sixty to 790 00:38:07,441 --> 00:38:09,001 Speaker 4: a day, six days a week. 791 00:38:09,441 --> 00:38:11,121 Speaker 1: I'd have to get the bus in and out of times. 792 00:38:11,201 --> 00:38:14,041 Speaker 4: We're too young to drive, pay for me dinner, pay 793 00:38:14,121 --> 00:38:17,081 Speaker 4: for me Siggi's and come out of work. 794 00:38:16,841 --> 00:38:18,561 Speaker 1: With about thirty five with a day. 795 00:38:19,201 --> 00:38:21,721 Speaker 4: And then when they when the record label comes along 796 00:38:21,761 --> 00:38:24,921 Speaker 4: and goes here's a check and there was loads and 797 00:38:24,921 --> 00:38:28,161 Speaker 4: loads of heroes on it. I suck me dad and 798 00:38:28,241 --> 00:38:30,401 Speaker 4: went put it on the mantelpiece in the house, prid 799 00:38:30,481 --> 00:38:34,401 Speaker 4: the place there you go, and he went that speak 800 00:38:35,521 --> 00:38:39,241 Speaker 4: went fucking not. But and then it got to a 801 00:38:39,321 --> 00:38:40,841 Speaker 4: point where we've done so when we're on top of 802 00:38:40,841 --> 00:38:43,641 Speaker 4: the pop spin of mind and we're seeing people like 803 00:38:44,921 --> 00:38:48,521 Speaker 4: there was Gales allowed on their Marco and seal big 804 00:38:48,641 --> 00:38:52,561 Speaker 4: artists that we know is big major pop artists and 805 00:38:52,601 --> 00:38:55,961 Speaker 4: then there's us three scallies in the corner. They're all 806 00:38:56,001 --> 00:38:57,881 Speaker 4: trying to be dead prim and proper and wear like 807 00:38:57,961 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 4: that polishing bottles of Jack Daniels are fucking yes here. 808 00:39:02,961 --> 00:39:05,921 Speaker 4: So it was never because we wouldn't we At that 809 00:39:05,921 --> 00:39:08,601 Speaker 4: point we weren't managed. We were just three young glads 810 00:39:08,601 --> 00:39:12,201 Speaker 4: from Liverpool had just struck it. Looky with the record again, 811 00:39:12,921 --> 00:39:14,761 Speaker 4: looking at the Top of the Pops thing. There's used 812 00:39:14,801 --> 00:39:17,641 Speaker 4: to be a bar call a Star bar after the 813 00:39:17,681 --> 00:39:20,041 Speaker 4: Top of the Pops. You'd all go and you'd sit 814 00:39:20,121 --> 00:39:23,481 Speaker 4: in this room and all these big bands have all 815 00:39:23,521 --> 00:39:26,761 Speaker 4: got managements and this and that and don't get rushed round, 816 00:39:26,841 --> 00:39:28,721 Speaker 4: and then there's those three sat in the corner like 817 00:39:28,801 --> 00:39:33,121 Speaker 4: that pint of JD. It's not, but it was like 818 00:39:33,201 --> 00:39:35,761 Speaker 4: and then you start getting noticed in the city. 819 00:39:35,881 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: People said. 820 00:39:37,361 --> 00:39:39,281 Speaker 4: The one thing I didn't like at the time was 821 00:39:39,321 --> 00:39:41,761 Speaker 4: that you'd walk through time and. 822 00:39:41,721 --> 00:39:44,601 Speaker 1: You'd go someone to whoever you would go. 823 00:39:44,761 --> 00:39:47,641 Speaker 4: You're just being noticed, the double suck and that someone 824 00:39:47,641 --> 00:39:51,201 Speaker 4: would go like that and you go at first, I 825 00:39:51,201 --> 00:39:51,961 Speaker 4: don't really want to do. 826 00:39:52,001 --> 00:39:54,561 Speaker 1: They can have a picture, you signed this piece of paper. 827 00:39:55,201 --> 00:39:57,641 Speaker 4: So we're pulling out the knock yet in ninety one's 828 00:39:58,241 --> 00:39:59,521 Speaker 4: can have a picture. 829 00:40:01,161 --> 00:40:02,881 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was listening. 830 00:40:03,001 --> 00:40:06,041 Speaker 4: I can't complain because again and being she here had 831 00:40:06,081 --> 00:40:10,081 Speaker 4: clothed sponsorship deals in place, just went knocking on, give 832 00:40:10,161 --> 00:40:12,761 Speaker 4: us a load of your t shirt them wear them 833 00:40:12,761 --> 00:40:15,281 Speaker 4: from me, gigs. All it all goes hand in hand. 834 00:40:15,641 --> 00:40:17,481 Speaker 3: Did you get a lot of offers from artists to 835 00:40:17,801 --> 00:40:19,161 Speaker 3: want to play with you? 836 00:40:19,281 --> 00:40:22,201 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, see the thing is as well the music. 837 00:40:22,881 --> 00:40:26,281 Speaker 4: The record label that we were involved with in the 838 00:40:26,321 --> 00:40:29,801 Speaker 4: scheme of things was a bit of an outcast record label, 839 00:40:30,081 --> 00:40:32,721 Speaker 4: so it was all these big record labels are based 840 00:40:32,761 --> 00:40:37,041 Speaker 4: out of London, massive backing, and the record label we 841 00:40:37,081 --> 00:40:39,161 Speaker 4: signed to it was a label called All Around the World, 842 00:40:39,201 --> 00:40:42,641 Speaker 4: which was based in Blackbin. He wouldn't really put Blackbain 843 00:40:42,881 --> 00:40:46,201 Speaker 4: and that sort of record label in the same room. 844 00:40:46,481 --> 00:40:50,041 Speaker 4: And that was just two fellas who had a number 845 00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:53,881 Speaker 4: of small level hit records, the like and trying to 846 00:40:53,881 --> 00:40:56,721 Speaker 4: Set You Free. They signed that back in nineteen ninety 847 00:40:56,761 --> 00:40:59,921 Speaker 4: four and they had a couple of hit records plodded 848 00:40:59,961 --> 00:41:03,881 Speaker 4: on and then they signed the likes of Flip and 849 00:41:03,961 --> 00:41:07,161 Speaker 4: Phil and then it was us, then it was Cash Guarder, 850 00:41:07,441 --> 00:41:09,881 Speaker 4: then it was Darren's styles, and then it was like, 851 00:41:10,281 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 4: hold on a second, these to the London hierarchy, who 852 00:41:13,961 --> 00:41:14,681 Speaker 4: are these records? 853 00:41:14,681 --> 00:41:17,801 Speaker 1: Who are these people from Blackburn doing these records? So 854 00:41:17,961 --> 00:41:18,961 Speaker 1: we were at a point. 855 00:41:18,761 --> 00:41:22,001 Speaker 4: Where we were the style we were making was slightly 856 00:41:22,041 --> 00:41:25,881 Speaker 4: outcastic compared to the commercial market that we were aiming 857 00:41:25,921 --> 00:41:28,721 Speaker 4: to be in. But that's not the test of time, 858 00:41:28,761 --> 00:41:31,961 Speaker 4: because then that record label ended up becoming the biggest 859 00:41:32,361 --> 00:41:37,801 Speaker 4: compilation selling record label probably in dance music history of 860 00:41:37,841 --> 00:41:41,041 Speaker 4: that period. They were selling compilation CDs and they were 861 00:41:41,081 --> 00:41:44,961 Speaker 4: doing nine hundred thousand physicals, and you go, that's just 862 00:41:45,361 --> 00:41:45,961 Speaker 4: not Adolf. 863 00:41:47,001 --> 00:41:48,201 Speaker 2: Here's a question for you. 864 00:41:48,241 --> 00:41:51,081 Speaker 3: With all this fame and all that everything was going on, 865 00:41:51,681 --> 00:41:55,321 Speaker 3: surely now you just were enjoying the party life. 866 00:41:55,681 --> 00:41:58,761 Speaker 2: Surely now was like yeah, but were you're. 867 00:41:58,681 --> 00:42:01,121 Speaker 3: Losing it in a way, we're still keeping your head 868 00:42:01,161 --> 00:42:03,201 Speaker 3: straight or we're just getting on it a lot. 869 00:42:03,921 --> 00:42:06,681 Speaker 1: Well, me, out of the three of us, I was 870 00:42:06,721 --> 00:42:12,481 Speaker 1: probably the worst for it. Well the other two ways. 871 00:42:12,561 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: The other two were a little bit more like. Don't 872 00:42:14,441 --> 00:42:14,881 Speaker 1: get us wrong. 873 00:42:14,921 --> 00:42:16,641 Speaker 4: We all went out and we'd had drinks and we 874 00:42:16,641 --> 00:42:20,041 Speaker 4: were a bit bit flashy, walking around with expensive watches 875 00:42:20,121 --> 00:42:23,081 Speaker 4: on buying new cars every three months. One of the 876 00:42:23,121 --> 00:42:26,961 Speaker 4: other lads, Chris, when I got himself, was pilot's license. 877 00:42:27,361 --> 00:42:30,841 Speaker 4: I don't know why I had a playing park Liverpool Airport. 878 00:42:31,001 --> 00:42:33,161 Speaker 1: Just like that's silly money. 879 00:42:34,001 --> 00:42:36,361 Speaker 4: I ended up getting involved in the wrong circle of 880 00:42:36,481 --> 00:42:40,921 Speaker 4: people and sort of enjoyed party and to a point 881 00:42:41,241 --> 00:42:45,601 Speaker 4: it took me probably eighteen months to realize that this 882 00:42:45,961 --> 00:42:49,561 Speaker 4: partying and working all night and partying and working all 883 00:42:49,641 --> 00:42:52,721 Speaker 4: night doesn't blend well together. Because you're getting to a 884 00:42:52,761 --> 00:42:54,921 Speaker 4: point where Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, you're. 885 00:42:54,721 --> 00:42:56,641 Speaker 1: Going, what have I done. 886 00:42:56,961 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go back to work this weekend. I've got 887 00:42:59,961 --> 00:43:01,561 Speaker 4: to go here this weekend. They've got a flight to 888 00:43:01,641 --> 00:43:03,361 Speaker 4: New Yorker. I've got to do this. I want to 889 00:43:03,401 --> 00:43:04,721 Speaker 4: do that. And I got to a point where I 890 00:43:06,201 --> 00:43:08,401 Speaker 4: was in the old mindset, able to be able to 891 00:43:08,401 --> 00:43:12,281 Speaker 4: go business and pleasure, keep them separate as much as 892 00:43:12,281 --> 00:43:13,081 Speaker 4: you possibly can. 893 00:43:14,161 --> 00:43:18,681 Speaker 3: Did it affect you a lot with your performance as 894 00:43:18,721 --> 00:43:19,881 Speaker 3: him being able to do my job? 895 00:43:20,361 --> 00:43:20,601 Speaker 2: Yeah? 896 00:43:20,681 --> 00:43:22,921 Speaker 1: No, I thought I was untouchable when I was when 897 00:43:22,921 --> 00:43:25,481 Speaker 1: I was taking all that sort of stuff didn't bother me. 898 00:43:25,761 --> 00:43:26,681 Speaker 1: I've had this. 899 00:43:27,641 --> 00:43:31,041 Speaker 4: There's conversations where I've been told I haven't been able 900 00:43:31,081 --> 00:43:33,881 Speaker 4: to stand up in a DJ box, and there's been 901 00:43:33,961 --> 00:43:38,361 Speaker 4: someone having to prop their arms inside my arms and 902 00:43:38,441 --> 00:43:41,321 Speaker 4: keep me stub up because I was that physically out 903 00:43:41,361 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 4: of it. But I was still being out to dj 904 00:43:44,001 --> 00:43:47,521 Speaker 4: confidence side of things. But bear in mind this was 905 00:43:48,401 --> 00:43:51,601 Speaker 4: twenty one years of age. Twenty one years of age 906 00:43:51,641 --> 00:43:56,481 Speaker 4: back then was prime going out area. But the differences 907 00:43:56,561 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 4: with those we couldn't go out because we were out 908 00:43:58,521 --> 00:44:03,081 Speaker 4: every weekend. So you don't get and almost any one 909 00:44:03,161 --> 00:44:05,001 Speaker 4: your old lad who's just been given a big chill 910 00:44:05,161 --> 00:44:05,641 Speaker 4: come money. 911 00:44:06,041 --> 00:44:08,441 Speaker 3: Did anyone try to take advantage of you because of 912 00:44:08,561 --> 00:44:10,761 Speaker 3: the of the how much you were earning and how 913 00:44:10,841 --> 00:44:16,681 Speaker 3: and you're faine, not really because not not the certain 914 00:44:16,801 --> 00:44:17,921 Speaker 3: friends that you were hanging with. 915 00:44:19,041 --> 00:44:21,961 Speaker 4: No, because most of the circle of people we were 916 00:44:21,961 --> 00:44:25,321 Speaker 4: hanging at and we were all DJs, so we were 917 00:44:25,361 --> 00:44:28,241 Speaker 4: all in the same boat. We were all either gigging 918 00:44:28,241 --> 00:44:31,441 Speaker 4: in other venues in the city or gigging somewhere else. 919 00:44:31,641 --> 00:44:33,281 Speaker 1: And then the only. 920 00:44:33,161 --> 00:44:36,681 Speaker 4: Real people that you could see sort of take advantage 921 00:44:36,921 --> 00:44:39,441 Speaker 4: is when you get into the nitty creaty of the 922 00:44:39,521 --> 00:44:42,321 Speaker 4: music industry, that is where the vultures shit. 923 00:44:43,081 --> 00:44:45,721 Speaker 1: But as in back in the days of Liverpool City 924 00:44:45,761 --> 00:44:49,361 Speaker 1: Center that there was no vults. Everyone was just don't 925 00:44:49,401 --> 00:44:51,201 Speaker 1: get me wrong, everyone was your mate. 926 00:44:51,721 --> 00:44:54,601 Speaker 4: But because you would stood behind the confines of a 927 00:44:54,681 --> 00:44:57,601 Speaker 4: DJ box, they wouldn't get to you. 928 00:44:57,601 --> 00:44:58,601 Speaker 1: You get people sitting to. 929 00:44:58,601 --> 00:45:01,281 Speaker 4: Be sat there with me missing at the time having 930 00:45:01,281 --> 00:45:02,481 Speaker 4: something in a restaurants. 931 00:45:03,041 --> 00:45:04,681 Speaker 1: People come up and go, could you sign this? And 932 00:45:04,721 --> 00:45:07,601 Speaker 1: you go, this isn't me really, but I'll sign it 933 00:45:07,721 --> 00:45:09,001 Speaker 1: for you. That's a party. 934 00:45:10,481 --> 00:45:12,481 Speaker 4: I'm trying to enjoy a piece of meat, you know 935 00:45:12,521 --> 00:45:15,561 Speaker 4: what I mean, Leave me alone. But then as quick 936 00:45:15,561 --> 00:45:18,561 Speaker 4: as it happens, it quickly does that, and people just 937 00:45:18,561 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 4: get to know you so bad. And nowadays I'll walk 938 00:45:22,001 --> 00:45:24,521 Speaker 4: into a local supermarket and one of the staff will know, 939 00:45:25,361 --> 00:45:27,001 Speaker 4: and all of the staff don't know, and then you'll 940 00:45:27,041 --> 00:45:29,441 Speaker 4: lay them go you know that is and that tune 941 00:45:29,721 --> 00:45:32,441 Speaker 4: that green eyes, and then come up and he's just 942 00:45:32,481 --> 00:45:34,321 Speaker 4: told me that's what your job is. No wonder, You're 943 00:45:34,321 --> 00:45:37,401 Speaker 4: always in here and any chance I can have a picture. 944 00:45:38,241 --> 00:45:40,241 Speaker 4: The worst one is now you go to a gig 945 00:45:40,641 --> 00:45:44,281 Speaker 4: and nineteen twenty year old girl come up to the end, 946 00:45:44,361 --> 00:45:45,761 Speaker 4: you go, can I have a pitch? And you go, 947 00:45:45,841 --> 00:45:49,041 Speaker 4: all right, so keep your hands to yourself and she goes, yeah, 948 00:45:49,561 --> 00:45:50,881 Speaker 4: my mum's going to be made up. 949 00:45:50,921 --> 00:45:52,481 Speaker 1: I've got this picture with you, you. 950 00:45:52,241 --> 00:45:59,161 Speaker 5: Know, and goes, Dad rave with you. 951 00:46:01,881 --> 00:46:03,201 Speaker 1: Time for me to give this up. 952 00:46:05,161 --> 00:46:06,841 Speaker 2: Appreciate it a lot more now though. 953 00:46:07,361 --> 00:46:09,721 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, listen, being the age of mat now and 954 00:46:09,841 --> 00:46:12,321 Speaker 4: still being able to still being able to do the 955 00:46:12,401 --> 00:46:15,201 Speaker 4: job I do, and still being able to see and 956 00:46:15,321 --> 00:46:20,121 Speaker 4: especially now the the younger generation of clubbers are now 957 00:46:20,201 --> 00:46:22,081 Speaker 4: starting to warm to what we do. 958 00:46:22,281 --> 00:46:24,641 Speaker 1: Music wise, it's still a buzz. 959 00:46:24,961 --> 00:46:27,521 Speaker 4: Since January, the second week of January, I've done a 960 00:46:27,521 --> 00:46:30,841 Speaker 4: gig every weekend, and I've done a wedding. Don't normally 961 00:46:30,881 --> 00:46:33,361 Speaker 4: do weddings. It was a one off thing when you 962 00:46:33,441 --> 00:46:34,881 Speaker 4: do it and don't. Okay, I'll come and to a 963 00:46:34,921 --> 00:46:38,401 Speaker 4: wedding for you. And then I've done three four thousand 964 00:46:38,401 --> 00:46:39,921 Speaker 4: cat venues across the country. 965 00:46:40,481 --> 00:46:41,001 Speaker 1: Do you see that? 966 00:46:41,041 --> 00:46:44,281 Speaker 4: Many different warps of life of these places, and it's 967 00:46:44,281 --> 00:46:45,161 Speaker 4: still you're stuck from. 968 00:46:44,961 --> 00:46:47,441 Speaker 1: Off stage and go that was fucking great. 969 00:46:47,921 --> 00:46:49,921 Speaker 4: Now I've got to drive four hours to get home 970 00:46:50,041 --> 00:46:52,081 Speaker 4: three o'clock in the morning because they don't like staying over, 971 00:46:52,121 --> 00:46:52,921 Speaker 4: because they'll stay over. 972 00:46:52,961 --> 00:46:55,081 Speaker 1: I get drunk and they get drunk and then you 973 00:46:55,121 --> 00:46:57,001 Speaker 1: know you. 974 00:46:55,481 --> 00:47:00,561 Speaker 4: Know where you'll end up, so strictly go drive there, 975 00:47:01,001 --> 00:47:04,881 Speaker 4: do me our gig, drive home, get into your own bed. 976 00:47:05,081 --> 00:47:07,521 Speaker 1: Seven in the morning, watch Colly and you don't know 977 00:47:07,521 --> 00:47:09,041 Speaker 1: what that? Google them. 978 00:47:12,321 --> 00:47:14,841 Speaker 3: What to the point when you knew that Ultra Beat 979 00:47:14,921 --> 00:47:16,761 Speaker 3: was going to break up? Was there a time in 980 00:47:16,761 --> 00:47:19,321 Speaker 3: your life where you you thought you didn't want it 981 00:47:19,361 --> 00:47:19,841 Speaker 3: to break up? 982 00:47:19,841 --> 00:47:21,801 Speaker 2: You tried your best to keep the boys together? Or 983 00:47:21,801 --> 00:47:23,681 Speaker 2: did you just go you know, it's it is what 984 00:47:23,761 --> 00:47:24,081 Speaker 2: it is? 985 00:47:24,641 --> 00:47:27,841 Speaker 1: The point of where it went, it wasn't really a 986 00:47:27,841 --> 00:47:28,321 Speaker 1: break up. 987 00:47:28,401 --> 00:47:31,761 Speaker 4: The problem we had was the label that we were 988 00:47:31,761 --> 00:47:35,081 Speaker 4: assigned to and that style of music, which you'd probably 989 00:47:35,121 --> 00:47:37,281 Speaker 4: see in Australia's sort of high energy. 990 00:47:37,721 --> 00:47:39,321 Speaker 1: That style of music had done. 991 00:47:39,641 --> 00:47:43,881 Speaker 4: It had peaked that quick and it plateaued and stayed 992 00:47:43,921 --> 00:47:47,121 Speaker 4: at that level. Where bear in mind the musical style 993 00:47:47,161 --> 00:47:50,561 Speaker 4: and the record labels blueprint was I'm not going to 994 00:47:50,641 --> 00:47:54,921 Speaker 4: deal with looking at London Bairmingham City to sign advertise 995 00:47:55,001 --> 00:47:55,761 Speaker 4: these products. 996 00:47:56,041 --> 00:47:58,921 Speaker 1: What Day's done is their blueprint was We're going to. 997 00:47:58,921 --> 00:48:02,721 Speaker 4: Find the mill towns, all these little small mill towns 998 00:48:02,721 --> 00:48:05,801 Speaker 4: across the country and the Dame for what called the 999 00:48:05,921 --> 00:48:08,681 Speaker 4: Nova crowd, which is basically a young kids in the 1000 00:48:08,881 --> 00:48:13,521 Speaker 4: souped up small cars with the base boxers in the boots. 1001 00:48:13,881 --> 00:48:16,801 Speaker 4: That's what their marketplace was. So they didn't deal with 1002 00:48:16,841 --> 00:48:20,601 Speaker 4: the London problem of everyone being dead Ponti. He dealt 1003 00:48:20,641 --> 00:48:24,801 Speaker 4: with the normal people. So when the record label plateaued 1004 00:48:24,881 --> 00:48:27,001 Speaker 4: and had done so well, it got to a point 1005 00:48:27,041 --> 00:48:31,961 Speaker 4: where numbers started dropping off and it was like they 1006 00:48:32,041 --> 00:48:34,921 Speaker 4: then try and change the style. We re released green 1007 00:48:35,001 --> 00:48:38,801 Speaker 4: Eyes in twenty thirteen and it felt more like a 1008 00:48:39,761 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 4: Vichy style version of it, and it was like, we're 1009 00:48:43,441 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 4: not known for this, and we start trying to move 1010 00:48:47,161 --> 00:48:50,041 Speaker 4: into this new world. Better mind, this new whales full 1011 00:48:50,041 --> 00:48:53,721 Speaker 4: of very young music producers. We're going to stand out. 1012 00:48:54,401 --> 00:48:58,041 Speaker 4: It's not going to work. So obviously Mike, who's the 1013 00:48:58,081 --> 00:49:01,681 Speaker 4: front guy for it. In the meantime, he's launched himself 1014 00:49:01,681 --> 00:49:05,641 Speaker 4: into superstardom with a lad called Dave, which is now 1015 00:49:05,681 --> 00:49:09,841 Speaker 4: Camel Fat, So they're now catering for originally for the 1016 00:49:09,921 --> 00:49:13,241 Speaker 4: younger market, now they're catering for the worldwide market where 1017 00:49:13,241 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 4: they're doing as you went to the Showder of the Month, 1018 00:49:16,001 --> 00:49:18,401 Speaker 4: place that people are going to see Camel Fat, you're 1019 00:49:18,401 --> 00:49:21,921 Speaker 4: looking ten to fifteen thousand people and they're doing one 1020 00:49:21,961 --> 00:49:26,401 Speaker 4: hundred shows a year worldwide. It just fascinates me watching 1021 00:49:26,401 --> 00:49:28,641 Speaker 4: them because I'll sit on shit on my phone and 1022 00:49:28,681 --> 00:49:30,921 Speaker 4: I'll go under where he is today and he's in 1023 00:49:31,081 --> 00:49:33,681 Speaker 4: Rio de Janeiro, and then he's in one as well, and. 1024 00:49:33,641 --> 00:49:34,921 Speaker 1: You go brilliant. 1025 00:49:35,401 --> 00:49:37,561 Speaker 4: I don't think I could live that life now, and 1026 00:49:37,841 --> 00:49:40,881 Speaker 4: busy enough that I can live, come to me. I 1027 00:49:40,921 --> 00:49:43,561 Speaker 4: can play golf every day. I don't do a day job. 1028 00:49:43,641 --> 00:49:45,361 Speaker 4: If I don't want to do a day job. If 1029 00:49:45,361 --> 00:49:47,001 Speaker 4: I want to go and help them do short I can. 1030 00:49:47,841 --> 00:49:50,281 Speaker 4: The split up point with Ultimately was I think it 1031 00:49:50,281 --> 00:49:53,201 Speaker 4: was more. It wasn't a split up. It was like 1032 00:49:53,561 --> 00:49:56,321 Speaker 4: me and Chris both go out dejaying using the name, 1033 00:49:56,761 --> 00:49:59,201 Speaker 4: so we're both as two DJs going out to Ultimately, 1034 00:49:59,361 --> 00:50:02,321 Speaker 4: and that's It's always been that way. Mike never really 1035 00:50:02,401 --> 00:50:04,241 Speaker 4: thronted unless he was singing. 1036 00:50:05,121 --> 00:50:06,521 Speaker 1: The music just stopped. 1037 00:50:06,601 --> 00:50:09,521 Speaker 4: It wasn't like that's it withdraw a line, I'm taking 1038 00:50:09,601 --> 00:50:13,441 Speaker 4: me balling and going home with split up one of 1039 00:50:13,441 --> 00:50:15,401 Speaker 4: them who's going to get the custody of the dog. 1040 00:50:15,921 --> 00:50:19,041 Speaker 4: It was just more the music style changing as a 1041 00:50:19,121 --> 00:50:23,961 Speaker 4: demand for that music commercially changed us. Trying to reinvent 1042 00:50:24,001 --> 00:50:26,841 Speaker 4: the wheel was just just like we've done this for 1043 00:50:26,881 --> 00:50:27,681 Speaker 4: too many years. 1044 00:50:27,681 --> 00:50:30,081 Speaker 1: We've been so anonymous in that style of music. 1045 00:50:30,481 --> 00:50:33,441 Speaker 4: If we outsigned change, we're always going to be the 1046 00:50:33,561 --> 00:50:36,801 Speaker 4: cheap version of who were trying to follow. So would 1047 00:50:36,801 --> 00:50:39,281 Speaker 4: always be if we were trying to make a lesser 1048 00:50:39,441 --> 00:50:43,761 Speaker 4: style records, you'd end up being a lesser from team. 1049 00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:46,121 Speaker 1: You'd never be able to be a less So I. 1050 00:50:46,041 --> 00:50:49,841 Speaker 4: Think we'd try the fun just went you know, call it, 1051 00:50:49,881 --> 00:50:52,001 Speaker 4: And luckily, the fact of the matter is the gigs 1052 00:50:52,001 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 4: have never slowed down. 1053 00:50:53,761 --> 00:50:56,121 Speaker 2: So what what what when when that happened? What did 1054 00:50:56,161 --> 00:50:57,361 Speaker 2: you what was your plan? Then? 1055 00:50:57,841 --> 00:51:03,401 Speaker 4: Oh no, I was dejaying I'm doing ninety two undershows 1056 00:51:03,441 --> 00:51:03,761 Speaker 4: a year. 1057 00:51:03,881 --> 00:51:06,041 Speaker 1: That's where it's been stuff to do, you know what 1058 00:51:06,041 --> 00:51:10,041 Speaker 1: I mean? So what happened? When that music then dies? 1059 00:51:10,641 --> 00:51:12,801 Speaker 4: The thought of trying to put records out in that 1060 00:51:13,161 --> 00:51:16,521 Speaker 4: genre sort of slowly fades and fades. 1061 00:51:17,201 --> 00:51:18,081 Speaker 1: The lucky thing. 1062 00:51:18,081 --> 00:51:21,641 Speaker 4: Is that drops and as that dropped, the old school 1063 00:51:21,681 --> 00:51:24,881 Speaker 4: revival cut kicked in. So the music had tailed off, 1064 00:51:24,921 --> 00:51:27,761 Speaker 4: the albums are tailed off, and then you're looking at 1065 00:51:27,761 --> 00:51:32,001 Speaker 4: getting back to the naughties. Festivals, and that's plateau now, 1066 00:51:32,041 --> 00:51:35,681 Speaker 4: and that's basically everyone goes to naughties and old school 1067 00:51:35,721 --> 00:51:36,641 Speaker 4: style festivals. 1068 00:51:36,761 --> 00:51:37,401 Speaker 1: That's all they do. 1069 00:51:37,881 --> 00:51:40,641 Speaker 4: Because for the promoter, if you want to put an 1070 00:51:40,681 --> 00:51:44,401 Speaker 4: event on, a big scale event, five ten thousands, you've 1071 00:51:44,401 --> 00:51:46,201 Speaker 4: got two ways of doing it. You put an old 1072 00:51:46,201 --> 00:51:49,241 Speaker 4: school event on where the lineup's reasonably cheap and you 1073 00:51:49,401 --> 00:51:52,121 Speaker 4: guarantee to sell tickets, or you try and go down 1074 00:51:52,201 --> 00:51:55,841 Speaker 4: the clever root and book one act for one hundred grand, 1075 00:51:56,161 --> 00:51:58,081 Speaker 4: which is a bit risky for them. So most of 1076 00:51:58,081 --> 00:52:00,241 Speaker 4: these promoters will go, I'll just put an old school 1077 00:52:00,241 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 4: event on, stack the lineup with loads of old school acts, 1078 00:52:03,521 --> 00:52:05,881 Speaker 4: reasonably cheap, and see to sell. 1079 00:52:06,041 --> 00:52:09,561 Speaker 1: So for me bring it on. That means I get 1080 00:52:09,601 --> 00:52:10,521 Speaker 1: kicked over the weekends. 1081 00:52:13,001 --> 00:52:15,121 Speaker 2: So what's next for you? Then? What's next for you? 1082 00:52:15,201 --> 00:52:16,361 Speaker 2: What's the future hall for you? 1083 00:52:16,721 --> 00:52:19,921 Speaker 4: I'm doing a bit and bobs of sort of going 1084 00:52:20,041 --> 00:52:23,881 Speaker 4: back to the roots. I'm doing some stuff with record 1085 00:52:23,961 --> 00:52:25,801 Speaker 4: labels in sit in Sydney under the. 1086 00:52:25,801 --> 00:52:26,841 Speaker 1: Name of Central Station. 1087 00:52:27,241 --> 00:52:30,281 Speaker 4: Alex works with them, a couple of remixes for them, 1088 00:52:30,721 --> 00:52:32,841 Speaker 4: got a couple of things, have set up a small 1089 00:52:32,921 --> 00:52:40,881 Speaker 4: record label just fine marking independent producers just basically using 1090 00:52:41,201 --> 00:52:44,881 Speaker 4: my my background. 1091 00:52:44,281 --> 00:52:45,881 Speaker 1: And history and the music industry. 1092 00:52:45,921 --> 00:52:49,321 Speaker 4: If I can help somebody make a success in the career, 1093 00:52:50,001 --> 00:52:51,881 Speaker 4: one thing I want to try and do them always 1094 00:52:52,001 --> 00:52:54,281 Speaker 4: as long as as long as my my. 1095 00:52:54,361 --> 00:52:56,161 Speaker 1: Gigs continue to come in the way they do. 1096 00:52:57,441 --> 00:53:00,121 Speaker 4: I like to spend time helping people because people come 1097 00:53:00,121 --> 00:53:00,641 Speaker 4: to me and go. 1098 00:53:00,601 --> 00:53:02,641 Speaker 1: How would I how would I go about setting this up? 1099 00:53:02,681 --> 00:53:04,401 Speaker 4: And you go, very easy to do that, You do 1100 00:53:04,441 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 4: this and then so to not mentor them as such, 1101 00:53:07,001 --> 00:53:10,361 Speaker 4: but try and give them open. I always think about 1102 00:53:10,401 --> 00:53:15,001 Speaker 4: my job as since the debut started making music, It's 1103 00:53:15,001 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 4: like going and buying a lottery ticket each month every time. 1104 00:53:19,601 --> 00:53:21,041 Speaker 4: Back in the day, I'd put a lot of the 1105 00:53:21,161 --> 00:53:24,241 Speaker 4: ticket on and I'd always always be guaranteed to get 1106 00:53:24,281 --> 00:53:27,041 Speaker 4: three numbers, so I'd always get paid for that one 1107 00:53:27,081 --> 00:53:30,001 Speaker 4: lottery ticket, whether it was a couple of grand advances, 1108 00:53:30,081 --> 00:53:32,881 Speaker 4: so whether it was this and every now and again 1109 00:53:32,921 --> 00:53:35,361 Speaker 4: you get the full line and that's when you get 1110 00:53:35,361 --> 00:53:38,321 Speaker 4: your big hit. So that was we were always playing 1111 00:53:38,361 --> 00:53:41,961 Speaker 4: a numbers game. Nowadays with the young kids making music, 1112 00:53:44,001 --> 00:53:47,001 Speaker 4: they strange to say it. They they look at us 1113 00:53:47,041 --> 00:53:50,081 Speaker 4: as being we've done the big success. Where the where 1114 00:53:50,121 --> 00:53:51,401 Speaker 4: the big old school name. 1115 00:53:51,281 --> 00:53:51,961 Speaker 1: In the country. 1116 00:53:52,601 --> 00:53:56,681 Speaker 4: Yeah, how hard because they don't understand how the industry works. 1117 00:53:57,041 --> 00:53:58,561 Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, A lot of them understand it 1118 00:53:58,601 --> 00:54:01,321 Speaker 4: better than me because they in the in the boom 1119 00:54:01,361 --> 00:54:06,641 Speaker 4: of AI and they do a ticket post like that. Well, 1120 00:54:06,681 --> 00:54:08,481 Speaker 4: I don't like doing ticktock posts, but they want me 1121 00:54:08,481 --> 00:54:10,641 Speaker 4: to stand up, stand there and dance in front of 1122 00:54:10,681 --> 00:54:11,081 Speaker 4: the camera. 1123 00:54:11,161 --> 00:54:12,161 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it. 1124 00:54:12,441 --> 00:54:13,681 Speaker 4: But this. 1125 00:54:15,161 --> 00:54:18,361 Speaker 1: All my thing, and I was just continue. 1126 00:54:17,801 --> 00:54:23,401 Speaker 4: Digging, enjoy, enjoy the normal life of a forty three 1127 00:54:23,441 --> 00:54:26,241 Speaker 4: year old. Obviously, I've got We've got plans to do 1128 00:54:26,321 --> 00:54:27,601 Speaker 4: a bit of tour over. 1129 00:54:27,401 --> 00:54:28,681 Speaker 1: There in Australia. 1130 00:54:28,721 --> 00:54:32,161 Speaker 4: We've got an American tour plan for later on next year. 1131 00:54:34,801 --> 00:54:39,441 Speaker 1: Busy summer. One hundred and twenty five shows confirmed so 1132 00:54:39,561 --> 00:54:40,361 Speaker 1: far this year. 1133 00:54:41,361 --> 00:54:47,241 Speaker 4: And as I said, just try and try and help 1134 00:54:47,241 --> 00:54:49,761 Speaker 4: as many of the younger generation as I can. 1135 00:54:50,601 --> 00:55:04,081 Speaker 6: Any regrets, as regrets go, the same things have done 1136 00:55:04,121 --> 00:55:08,281 Speaker 6: in my life that I wish I hadden off as 1137 00:55:08,361 --> 00:55:11,081 Speaker 6: much as it did Big One being the original, the 1138 00:55:11,161 --> 00:55:12,521 Speaker 6: partying side of things. 1139 00:55:12,961 --> 00:55:15,161 Speaker 4: But it would would they not do it if I 1140 00:55:15,241 --> 00:55:18,161 Speaker 4: was starting again, if I was back then and. 1141 00:55:18,081 --> 00:55:19,801 Speaker 1: Someone had tapped me on the shoulder and gone. 1142 00:55:20,241 --> 00:55:23,361 Speaker 4: I probably still would have because it's made me the 1143 00:55:23,361 --> 00:55:24,681 Speaker 4: first that I am today, and it's me. 1144 00:55:24,961 --> 00:55:25,241 Speaker 1: It's me. 1145 00:55:25,681 --> 00:55:29,761 Speaker 4: I can comfortably go into a room with people who 1146 00:55:30,081 --> 00:55:35,601 Speaker 4: are partying and go, enjoy your hangover in the morning, 1147 00:55:36,121 --> 00:55:38,241 Speaker 4: and you go, what they go, don't phone me in 1148 00:55:38,281 --> 00:55:40,921 Speaker 4: the morning when you've got a hangover, and I just 1149 00:55:41,241 --> 00:55:44,361 Speaker 4: I can sit in a rumor fifty people drinking and 1150 00:55:44,401 --> 00:55:49,241 Speaker 4: getting partied up and go, I'll have a diet code, please. 1151 00:55:49,361 --> 00:55:51,561 Speaker 1: And you god please. 1152 00:55:51,641 --> 00:55:53,721 Speaker 4: In fact, I've tained it to venues before now and 1153 00:55:53,761 --> 00:55:55,681 Speaker 4: you've gone, there's she drinks rider. 1154 00:55:55,801 --> 00:55:56,681 Speaker 1: I go, I'm not drinking. 1155 00:55:56,761 --> 00:55:58,721 Speaker 4: I can have a coffee and you go, I can 1156 00:55:58,841 --> 00:56:00,721 Speaker 4: have a coffee two o'clock. 1157 00:56:00,401 --> 00:56:00,961 Speaker 1: In the morning. 1158 00:56:01,041 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a coffee loads of extra sugar because 1159 00:56:04,001 --> 00:56:05,441 Speaker 4: I've got to drive over after this. 1160 00:56:05,601 --> 00:56:09,961 Speaker 3: So is is there anything that's really happened, like, you know, 1161 00:56:09,961 --> 00:56:12,121 Speaker 3: when you're playing a gig and you've been DJ, has 1162 00:56:12,161 --> 00:56:13,041 Speaker 3: anything gone wrong? 1163 00:56:13,681 --> 00:56:16,001 Speaker 2: Like what's your worst thing that's gone happen to you 1164 00:56:16,081 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 2: while being a DJ? 1165 00:56:17,841 --> 00:56:20,641 Speaker 1: Well, I've been in venues where there's been. 1166 00:56:22,521 --> 00:56:27,241 Speaker 4: Major problems on the door, it's been shootings, Yeah, things 1167 00:56:27,281 --> 00:56:30,561 Speaker 4: like that. Way we've been live on the radio back 1168 00:56:30,601 --> 00:56:33,241 Speaker 4: in a venue in Liverpool City Sense and someone's gone 1169 00:56:33,281 --> 00:56:36,001 Speaker 4: past the top of pop shot at the door and 1170 00:56:36,041 --> 00:56:38,001 Speaker 4: they've caught the lights of all gone on and we're 1171 00:56:38,041 --> 00:56:39,761 Speaker 4: live on the radio and the lights have gone on 1172 00:56:39,881 --> 00:56:42,201 Speaker 4: and the next minute you look behind him there's a 1173 00:56:42,201 --> 00:56:44,961 Speaker 4: glass window with a hole and you go, that wasn't 1174 00:56:45,001 --> 00:56:45,681 Speaker 4: there before. 1175 00:56:46,881 --> 00:56:47,601 Speaker 1: Things like that. 1176 00:56:50,481 --> 00:56:53,841 Speaker 4: The big thing for me now is cousin massively involved 1177 00:56:53,841 --> 00:57:01,721 Speaker 4: with festivals. One festival example, I basically again just just 1178 00:57:01,721 --> 00:57:04,921 Speaker 4: to sort of keep me brain saying, I go in 1179 00:57:05,081 --> 00:57:06,841 Speaker 4: as a part of the build team on a festival 1180 00:57:06,881 --> 00:57:11,761 Speaker 4: of the Pool called Reminisce and I basically man manage 1181 00:57:12,001 --> 00:57:14,481 Speaker 4: thirty members of staff putting all the fence and up 1182 00:57:14,841 --> 00:57:17,521 Speaker 4: doing it's a good friend of mine Stay who runs it. 1183 00:57:18,481 --> 00:57:24,001 Speaker 4: Things have seen events. I've seen some horrific people due 1184 00:57:24,041 --> 00:57:29,681 Speaker 4: to drugs in some horrific states where you're like, wow, 1185 00:57:30,281 --> 00:57:32,921 Speaker 4: and these kids don't care any more. The drugs are taken. 1186 00:57:33,641 --> 00:57:36,761 Speaker 4: It's not years ago when people were taking ecstasy. They 1187 00:57:36,761 --> 00:57:41,921 Speaker 4: were taking ecstasy. These nutters are taken horse tranquilizers and 1188 00:57:41,961 --> 00:57:42,681 Speaker 4: you're going. 1189 00:57:44,161 --> 00:57:47,281 Speaker 1: Why. I've seen people getting carried out and that the 1190 00:57:47,321 --> 00:57:48,081 Speaker 1: bodies are. 1191 00:57:47,921 --> 00:57:52,001 Speaker 4: Physically locked and the beyond site paramedics are having to 1192 00:57:52,001 --> 00:57:55,081 Speaker 4: break arms to try and get an ivy zipping. Yeah, 1193 00:57:55,521 --> 00:57:59,841 Speaker 4: that's the scary thing with the generation of people going 1194 00:57:59,841 --> 00:58:04,441 Speaker 4: out these days. I don't know how anyone can freely 1195 00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:07,961 Speaker 4: go out and then not have an absolute meltdown three 1196 00:58:08,041 --> 00:58:11,801 Speaker 4: days after the seriously weird thoughts after taking some of 1197 00:58:11,801 --> 00:58:12,601 Speaker 4: the stuff to take n. 1198 00:58:13,161 --> 00:58:15,161 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen I've seen a lot of that working 1199 00:58:15,201 --> 00:58:17,441 Speaker 2: on the door. I've seen a heap that work the door. 1200 00:58:17,961 --> 00:58:23,481 Speaker 4: Describe you in one way, fuck, describe me in one way. 1201 00:58:25,641 --> 00:58:34,201 Speaker 1: I can pay a few ambitious, Yeah, that's gonna say, 1202 00:58:34,681 --> 00:58:37,081 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to say that. 1203 00:58:38,721 --> 00:58:39,881 Speaker 2: You can say what you want me. 1204 00:58:46,001 --> 00:58:46,121 Speaker 4: Now. 1205 00:58:46,161 --> 00:58:47,001 Speaker 1: It's a strange one. 1206 00:58:49,161 --> 00:58:50,721 Speaker 4: I think I've gone back to what I said on 1207 00:58:50,761 --> 00:58:54,641 Speaker 4: the face of this this thing because I've always been 1208 00:58:54,721 --> 00:58:56,841 Speaker 4: highly dyslexic with me with my life. 1209 00:58:57,881 --> 00:58:59,281 Speaker 1: I reckon I've got a d h D. 1210 00:59:00,121 --> 00:59:03,401 Speaker 4: That's probably a given a little bit on the spectrum. 1211 00:59:03,761 --> 00:59:09,681 Speaker 4: And when I say ambitious, if I get me out 1212 00:59:09,721 --> 00:59:12,761 Speaker 4: in my mind into something, I think there's a success 1213 00:59:12,921 --> 00:59:15,481 Speaker 4: story at the end of it. And one of them 1214 00:59:15,521 --> 00:59:19,201 Speaker 4: people who's I'm tunnel visioned and getting to that point 1215 00:59:19,641 --> 00:59:21,241 Speaker 4: until it gets to a point where I then go, 1216 00:59:21,401 --> 00:59:24,721 Speaker 4: this isn't going to work, and then I go next story. 1217 00:59:25,161 --> 00:59:27,961 Speaker 4: And that's that's been a big thing in me, like djayings, 1218 00:59:28,041 --> 00:59:30,481 Speaker 4: just the DJing and the music career that I've had 1219 00:59:30,521 --> 00:59:34,401 Speaker 4: and the success we've had has just basically fed them 1220 00:59:34,521 --> 00:59:40,201 Speaker 4: small stories. I've owned nightclubs, have owned pubs, I've owned restaurants. 1221 00:59:41,561 --> 00:59:45,801 Speaker 4: I've had music schools. I used to teaching mainstream schools 1222 00:59:45,801 --> 00:59:49,801 Speaker 4: how to make music. I've had all can't have every 1223 00:59:49,881 --> 00:59:51,961 Speaker 4: fingers in that many pies, and I think it's just 1224 00:59:53,081 --> 00:59:56,681 Speaker 4: having the success of what I've done has fed them 1225 00:59:56,801 --> 01:00:00,681 Speaker 4: little stories in my life, which is some of them 1226 01:00:00,721 --> 01:00:02,681 Speaker 4: have worked, some of them having but it's a risk 1227 01:00:02,761 --> 01:00:04,881 Speaker 4: that you've got to take. And I suppose but what 1228 01:00:05,121 --> 01:00:09,961 Speaker 4: everyone's in so but yeah, the sorts of one word 1229 01:00:10,121 --> 01:00:11,041 Speaker 4: is probably. 1230 01:00:12,841 --> 01:00:15,681 Speaker 1: A d H D tits. That's probably the best way 1231 01:00:15,721 --> 01:00:21,761 Speaker 1: of puting it, managing it. Well. 1232 01:00:21,321 --> 01:00:24,881 Speaker 3: Oh well, I want to say Ian, thank you so 1233 01:00:24,961 --> 01:00:26,161 Speaker 3: much for coming on my podcast. 1234 01:00:26,361 --> 01:00:27,561 Speaker 2: It's been worthwhile. 1235 01:00:30,041 --> 01:00:32,961 Speaker 3: And you know what you've I think you've renewed my 1236 01:00:33,001 --> 01:00:35,641 Speaker 3: fucking accents because I haven't spoken to Scouted in a 1237 01:00:35,641 --> 01:00:36,081 Speaker 3: long time. 1238 01:00:38,281 --> 01:00:40,681 Speaker 4: You've got me if you want to call me and 1239 01:00:40,681 --> 01:00:44,681 Speaker 4: studio born phone me. 1240 01:00:45,281 --> 01:00:46,921 Speaker 1: You'll have it. We'll have a day to day yet