1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: From the newsroom a news dot Com today. Good day there, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Bucklow. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: I hope you had a great weekend and I hope 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: you are ready for the Oscars today. It is one 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: of my favorite days on the calendar. I've been lucky 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: enough to go twice. Actually, how's that for a humble 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: bragg ossie. Guy Pis is nominated for Best Supporting Actor. 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: Today for his role in The Brutalist. 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: No one thinks he's going to win, though Kiaren Colgan 10 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: is widely tipped to take home the Oscar, so. 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Bad luck for Guy. 12 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: Codin O'Brien is hosting. He says he's got some unique 13 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: moments planned. 14 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 3: I am going to go into the audience and I'm 15 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: going to shave Stanley Tucci's chest. 16 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 4: Has he consented? 17 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: He has not consented. He's heard about it and he 18 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: said no. 19 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 5: But I'm gonna still do it, okay, and I'm going 20 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 5: to see that he's restrained. 21 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: I hope that actually happens. That good would that beat. 22 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: We'll have live coverage of the red carpet and the 23 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: ceremony on news dot com at dot au. Now, speaking 24 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: of our site, I was reading it over the weekend 25 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: and there was this awful story about an Ossie couple 26 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: who were seated next to a dead person on a 27 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: flight for more than four hours. 28 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine we're gonna take a look 29 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: at it. 30 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: In this episode, we'll hear from the couple about their 31 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: traumatic experience, and then an aviation expert will explain what 32 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: airlines are meant to do if someone dies mid flight, 33 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: and no, it's not seat the corbs next to other 34 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: paying passengers. Joining me in this studio right now is 35 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: news dot com dot a used travel editor Vanessa Brown 36 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: goday Ness. Hello, Hello, we had this shocking story online 37 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: a few days ago at news dot com dot you 38 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: about an Aussie couple who were forced to sit next 39 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: to a dead person on a flight. This is honestly 40 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: my worst nightmare apart from, you know, the plane actually crashing. 41 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: Can you take us through some of the details. 42 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, look, it is the thing of nightmares. Okay from 43 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 6: Oussie couple Mitch and Jennifer, who were left really really 44 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 6: traumatized by this, as you can imagine. So basically, they're 45 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 6: on board Akatar flight from Melbourne to Doha on the 46 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 6: way to Italy for the trip of an absolute lifetime. 47 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 6: So this female passenger on board, she had a medical 48 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 6: emergency midway through the flight. She collapsed right next to 49 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 6: where this Aussie couple were seated. She couldn't be saved 50 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 6: and she passed away, and as a result, she was 51 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 6: placed next to next to mit to Jennifer rather than 52 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 6: somewhere else on the plane. 53 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, not ideal at all. The Aussie couple, they were 54 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: pretty shaken up about this. They spoke to a current 55 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: Affair on Channel nine the other day. Let's have a 56 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: listen to some of what they had to say. 57 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 4: They did everything they could, but unfortunately lady couldn't be saved, 58 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 4: which was pretty heartbreaking to watch. Then they went to 59 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 4: try and move her. They brought this chair down which 60 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 4: I'd never seen before, but it had just two wheels 61 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 4: on the back, and they put her in this chair 62 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 4: and they tried to wheel her up towards Business class, 63 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 4: but she was quite a large lady and they couldn't 64 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 4: get her through the aisle because she at her height 65 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 4: was at armchair height. So they looked a bit frustrated, 66 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 4: and then they just looked at me and saw seats 67 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 4: were available beside me. Her wife was on the other side. 68 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 4: We were in a row four by herself, and they 69 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: just said to be move over please, and I just 70 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 4: just said yes, no problem, and then they placed the 71 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 4: lady in the share that I was in. 72 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 7: Well, this corpse is then placed next to you for 73 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 7: how long on the flight? 74 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 4: For the next it was four hours, three and a 75 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 4: half to four hours left on the floor. 76 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 8: I was really shocked and I said, are they going 77 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 8: to put her there? And luckily lady behind me on 78 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 8: the other aisle she said, darling, darling, come here and 79 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 8: love the English lady. And I said, next to her, 80 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 8: But so much was across the aisle then from me. 81 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 8: For the rest of the flight. 82 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 7: From what we understand, there were empty seats on the plane. 83 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 7: Did cabin crewe offer to move you. 84 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: No, they just asked me to move across. There was 85 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 4: another situation at the end when we landed. They told 86 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: us in our area to stay in our seats, and 87 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 4: then the ambulance officers and the police came in. And 88 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 4: then the ambulance officers started pulling the blankets off the 89 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 4: lady beside and I was there and I got to 90 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 4: see her face. Yeah, it wasn't nice. 91 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: Traumatic. Seriously, you can hear in their voice just how 92 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: traumatized they are. 93 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this would have been horrific ness. 94 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 6: Look, it's the last thing that you'd ever expect to 95 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 6: experience on a fly, and for Mitch and Jenny, or 96 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 6: for anyone on board for that matter, this really shouldn't 97 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 6: have happened. You know, there's protocols and there's procedures in 98 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 6: place to handle really tragic situations like this, and given 99 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 6: there were, you know, as the couple claim, other available seats, 100 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 6: it's pretty inexcusable that they had to spend four hours 101 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,119 Speaker 6: next to a woman who just died. 102 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned protocols there. 103 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 2: The news dot com Do You Travel team did a 104 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: follow up on this story the other day to find 105 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: out what should have happened. 106 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: Who did you speak to for this? 107 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 6: That's right, So we spoke to Australian aviation expert Neil Hansford. 108 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 6: He has more than thirty years experience in the field, Neil, 109 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 6: which I found out when I spoke to him. He's 110 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 6: actually sadly witnessed a death on board a plane previously himself. Well, 111 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 6: so he's pretty knowledgeable when it comes to procedures that 112 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 6: should be followed. So when we caught up with him, 113 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 6: he broke down the International Air Transport Association's protocols and 114 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 6: what should actually happen if someone was to die on 115 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 6: board a plane. 116 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: Let's have listened to some of that chat with Neil. 117 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 5: Well. Basically, let's assume that they're not dead and they're dying. 118 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 5: So normally the crews are all trained in some advance 119 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 5: resuscitation procedures. You'll always call for a is there a 120 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 5: doctor or a nurse, and amazingly you do find them 121 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 5: traveling as a passenger. Somebody has to say that stop 122 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 5: the resuscitation. But you go to a lot of measures 123 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 5: to make sure that the person that there is that 124 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 5: they're not breathing, there's no pulse. Now, when that happens, 125 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 5: the normal thing is that you take you've got a 126 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 5: pretty full aircraft, as we have in those cases, you 127 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 5: try and put them in a toilet and throw the 128 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 5: blanket over them in a toilet and lock the door. 129 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 5: Because the person has died not in a medical environment, 130 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 5: so there is going to be a coronial input as 131 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 5: to the way the person died. Who knows if there 132 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 5: was any foul play in this case. I understand that 133 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 5: this lady was quite large and there's not a lot 134 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 5: of room in the aisle. They couldn't handle it because 135 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 5: of her size, and they saw a vacant seat and 136 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 5: they put the lady in the seat and put a 137 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 5: blanket over. Now, that to me is not the way 138 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 5: Quantas or any Australian carrier would handle it. He's going 139 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 5: to find enough people there to be able to lift 140 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 5: the person and get them at least if you can't 141 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 5: get them into a toilet at the back of the aircraft, 142 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 5: you'd get them in the back row, where in some 143 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 5: cases there's an ability to put a curtain for when 144 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 5: you're carrying a person that needs to be laid flat, 145 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 5: you can cover them. You don't leave them in the 146 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 5: bulk of the aircraft where everybody's got to walk around, 147 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 5: Because I assure you, when somebody dies in an aircraft, 148 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 5: it puts all over the cabin. And not only these 149 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 5: poor people from Melbourne. Everybody's flying experience is affected. Because 150 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 5: we are all emotional, Very few of us handle death. 151 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 5: They had plenty of spare seats. Why the Katar crew 152 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 5: didn't relocate the two people who were seated next to 153 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 5: the deceased. Any airline with half a bit of character 154 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 5: or organization would have upgraded those passengers into business class 155 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 5: because one states they were wanting to put the body 156 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 5: in business class. Now that breaks all the rules. Also, 157 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 5: you don't go and put a body in amongst your 158 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 5: premium passengers. So I have to say, Vanessa, it won't 159 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 5: pass the pub test. 160 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: There you go, big thank you to Neil for clearing 161 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: that up. Great story by you, Nest, but stick around 162 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: after the ad break, I want to chat to about 163 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: another story that your travel team did the other day 164 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: about a number of plane crashes and why they've been happening. 165 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: Don't go anywhay, welcome back. I'm chatting to news dot 166 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: com dotter years, a travel editor, Vanessa Brown. And Essa 167 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: suggests me, or have there been a heck of a 168 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: lot of plane incidents lately? 169 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: Crashes all over the place. 170 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 6: Look, we're not even We're just what two months into 171 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 6: the year, and it does feel like we've had a 172 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 6: lot of aviation incidents throughout January and February. Look some 173 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 6: of the big ones that have happened, obviously the Delta 174 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 6: flip in Toronto in Canada, which miraculously no one died from. 175 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 6: And I still don't know how we didn't have any 176 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 6: casualties from that one. 177 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: A Delta passenger jet crash landing a short time ago 178 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: in Toronto. 179 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: Here is the stunning image of how it came to 180 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: a stop. 181 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: You see the plane upside down on the runway at 182 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: Toronto Pearson International Airport, one wing gone and no tail left. 183 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 6: Obviously the big one, the really tragic one out of 184 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 6: das with the American Airlines colliding with that military helicopter. 185 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: The FAA has confirmed that an American Airlines regional jet 186 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 3: carrying sixty passengers and four crew members collided with a 187 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: US Army Blackhawk helicopter, the aircraft crashing into the Potamac River. 188 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: The flight was en route from Wichita, Kansas to Reagan 189 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: National Airport in Washington when the accident happened just after 190 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: nine pm Eastern time. An Army official as says preliminary 191 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 3: indications are that there were three people on board the Blackhawk, 192 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: the chopper that the jet collided with. 193 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 6: I think when you look at the two months, it 194 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 6: does feel like there has been a lot of aviation incidents, 195 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 6: whether that's down to one thing or another. That's kind 196 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 6: of what we tried to explore in this story. 197 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you guys did a story on yous dot 198 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: com dot or you about what's causing all these accidents. 199 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: What's the answer? 200 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 6: Unfortunately, there's no one answer, that they're all very different circumstances. 201 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 6: But one thing that our aviation expert Neil Hansford did 202 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 6: explore and did delve into a little bit with us 203 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 6: was around the COVID nineteen shut down period, right, And 204 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 6: I guess how that sort of two three years of 205 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 6: travel standstill, where people weren't moving around the world. How 206 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 6: that's impacted not only our pilots and their experience, but 207 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 6: also anyone down to engineering and mechanical as well. So 208 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 6: during that period we did see a lot of experienced 209 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 6: pilots in the field perhaps retiring and moving on. It 210 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 6: also came down to training. There wasn't that sort of 211 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 6: training in place in some areas of the world. And 212 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 6: so Neil's feeling is that maybe that experience is no 213 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 6: longer in the air. We'll get it back, but at 214 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 6: the moment we haven't got that experience that we once 215 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 6: had in the air. 216 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: Right, We're feeling the repercussions of that three year window 217 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: where no one was allowed to travel. 218 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 6: That's right. And look, Neil really sort of emphasized that 219 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 6: when it comes to Australian airspace and Australian pilots in particular, 220 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 6: we are some of the most sought after in the 221 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 6: world because our training is so rigorous. 222 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: Well, that is what you want to hear. It is 223 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: what you want to hear. 224 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you've had some fantastic articles on news dot 225 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: com dot A. You keep it going next, keep whipping 226 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: that travel team and making sure they bang out more yarns. 227 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for chatting to from the Newsroom. 228 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 6: Thanks Bucky. 229 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: Well, that's it for today's episode. 230 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to From the Newsroom 231 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: Follow or subscribe to From the Newsroom wherever you get 232 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: your podcasts.