Speaker 1: Holley Hello, how are you Hello?
Speaker 2: I'm well, how are you flyss?
Speaker 1: I'm sad this is it. This is the grand finale.
Speaker 2: It's the finale. It's the finale. How are you feeling?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Very mixed actually, like, I'm really excited that and I'm
Speaker 3: very proud of the four years that healthy Ish and
Speaker 3: Extra healthy Ish has existed when I've been on the
Speaker 3: mic it was here before that. Very well, grateful for
Speaker 3: all the guests who've come on, and extra extra thankful
Speaker 3: for all the listeners. So yeah, I'm buoyant from that,
Speaker 3: but also feeling quite sad to close this podcast once
Speaker 3: and for all.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's such a big achievement. It's been amazing
Speaker 4: as a regular listener and then so times co host.
Speaker 4: It's been an absolute trait. It's sad to imagine a
Speaker 4: world without Healthyest.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you well, it's been delightful having you on
Speaker 3: the pod every Friday and Thursday. You know, we're Thursday
Speaker 3: this year with Friday last year. But thank you for
Speaker 3: showing up and bringing some really interesting stories. So let's
Speaker 3: just have one final one from you. What's been well?
Speaker 3: What's grabbing your attention? On Body and Soul Online, this week.
Speaker 2: Well, I know you love. A social media trend said.
Speaker 1: You brought one to the end. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yes I have, Yes, I have.
Speaker 4: So my pick of the week is why the wellness
Speaker 4: world can't get enough of brain flossing.
Speaker 1: Oh this is brilliant. I think this is the best
Speaker 1: ever it might be.
Speaker 4: It's not using dental floss on your brain, as it sounds,
Speaker 4: thank goodness. It's actually listening to certain frequencies of music
Speaker 4: to help you focus and calm down. This is called
Speaker 4: bilateral stimulation and involved sound traveling rapidly between your left
Speaker 4: and right ears, which triggers each side of the brain,
Speaker 4: and people have described this as feeling like flossing, pulling,
Speaker 4: or tingling feelings, overwhelming emotional releases, and waves of calm
Speaker 4: after listening, which I think sounds pretty good.
Speaker 3: Now, I've just come from a yoga class, and I
Speaker 3: would say I feel all of the above after yoga.
Speaker 2: So maybe you don't need to floss your brain then.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm into anything to make myself feel better anyway.
Speaker 1: Carry on.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 4: So unlike white or pink noise, which sometimes people use
Speaker 4: to help calm down, but it's not quite enough. There
Speaker 4: is evidence that bilateral stimulation can activate the parasympathetic nervous system,
Speaker 4: which is responsible for our flight or flight response. So
Speaker 4: in theory, this alternating stimulation of each side of the
Speaker 4: brain can help us move from a state of like
Speaker 4: panic and flight or flight into rest, which I think
Speaker 4: is great to have in your arsenal. If stress and
Speaker 4: anxiety is something that you struggle from.
Speaker 1: How do we access this sort of music and noise.
Speaker 4: So the best thing is that you can find these
Speaker 4: freequencies on Spotify or on YouTube, so they're really accessible
Speaker 4: for anyone who needs them. You can listen to them anytime,
Speaker 4: like you're in free rerest state. Yeah, and it's free.
Speaker 4: It's great. Therapist doctor Caroline Fenkel said that it can
Speaker 4: simulate similar effects of meditating and deep breathing and it
Speaker 4: does calm the nervous system.
Speaker 2: So I think it's great.
Speaker 1: I like this flossing for your brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be flossing.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just going to start flossing now this podcast
Speaker 1: is over.
Speaker 3: But actually, when you first said flossing, I could just
Speaker 3: all I could think I was a dance move that
Speaker 3: my kids still do.
Speaker 1: So it's very far from that.
Speaker 2: Was flossing lockdown era.
Speaker 1: It was, but it still lingers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it's still lingers. It's around now.
Speaker 3: Not to put you on the spot, but did you
Speaker 3: have a do you have a favorite episode? Well, I
Speaker 3: am putting you on the spot. That's probably did you
Speaker 3: have a favorite or do you have a favorite episode
Speaker 3: of Healthy Ish one that really sticks out for you?
Speaker 2: Just to pep yourself up a bit there, No.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't mean that.
Speaker 3: I just want you to share now an amazing and
Speaker 3: I know, I know, yeah, an amazing guess that we
Speaker 3: may have had that struck a chord with you.
Speaker 4: The one that comes to mind is the interview you
Speaker 4: did in twenty twenty two with doctor Anna Lemke. She
Speaker 4: is a psychiatrist and currently the Professor and Medical Director
Speaker 4: of Addiction Medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine.
Speaker 2: And she wrote a.
Speaker 4: Book called Dopamine Nation, which you spoke to her about.
Speaker 4: And I loved this because the book is all about
Speaker 4: our dependence on digital devices and what it's doing to
Speaker 4: our mental health and why actually having a dopamine fast
Speaker 4: is the best thing you can do. And I love
Speaker 4: all content about dopamine and morning routines and things like this.
Speaker 4: So I thought this was such a great chat and
Speaker 4: one I think about quite often.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved her. She was brilliant.
Speaker 3: I really I've always well, I did get a kick
Speaker 3: out of interviewing you know, people who really know their
Speaker 3: dare I say, shit, She's been in the space for
Speaker 3: forty years, She's done lots of research, She's worked with
Speaker 3: addicts across gambling and alcohol and drug like, she was
Speaker 3: just amazing And yeah, I mean she's worried that we
Speaker 3: are addicted to dopamine and that perhaps all of us
Speaker 3: are addicted some on some part of the spectrum when
Speaker 3: it comes to well, our phones. And I think, actually, interestingly,
Speaker 3: I was going through you. I've done eight hundred interviews
Speaker 3: on this podcast.
Speaker 4: And my god, I know a lots thank.
Speaker 3: You and the ones around tech stepping away from your phone,
Speaker 3: you know, managing your Doveman levels always did so well.
Speaker 3: So I feel like this is just such a hot
Speaker 3: topic for people right now, Like we recognize the impact
Speaker 3: that this technology is having on us, and we want
Speaker 3: any advice and help that we can do to curb
Speaker 3: our dependence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, and I love this someone who
Speaker 4: is so qualified considers addictions to alcohol and drugs almost
Speaker 4: on the same level as being comparable to social media.
Speaker 2: They don't mean it. It's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Now, Holly, I'm not bringing a story this week. I
Speaker 3: have to perhaps indulge you listeners, well, indulge me for
Speaker 3: a bit because I need and you because I thought,
Speaker 3: after four years, I want to close off this podcast
Speaker 3: with a few of my biggest learnings in health and wellness.
Speaker 3: Perhaps the biggest is probably to preface this is we
Speaker 3: all know what works. We know deep down what's going
Speaker 3: to work for us, and they're really when it comes
Speaker 3: to better health and wellbeing, there is no one.
Speaker 1: Size fits all approach.
Speaker 3: It's really about working out what works for you and
Speaker 3: trusting your intuition because you know and we know what
Speaker 3: works for us. The basics work the simple stuff. Eat
Speaker 3: thirty plants, eat the rainbow each you know, try and
Speaker 3: eat as much of the rainbow thirty plants a week,
Speaker 3: less processed foods, move more, get up from your desk,
Speaker 3: walk around, don't take the bus, get off a bus
Speaker 3: to like all those little things.
Speaker 2: Actually sleep sometimes.
Speaker 3: Sleep sleep manager, sleep hygiene. We all know this now,
Speaker 3: and it's just about doing the tiny bits every day
Speaker 3: that add up to a lot over the course of
Speaker 3: a week or a year.
Speaker 4: Really, I love that, and things trend and like new
Speaker 4: techniques and things come up, but at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, it's just those basic building blocks.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the other little thing I will throw in is
Speaker 3: that one thing that I perhaps I was never really
Speaker 3: into meditation. Well I never have been, and a lot of
Speaker 3: people talk about how wonderful it is, But for me,
Speaker 3: the breath work side of things, I think that repeatedly
Speaker 3: comes up and just taking time to stop and take
Speaker 3: ten breaths can actually change, you know, the state of
Speaker 3: your body. It can and take you from your parasympathetic
Speaker 3: to your sympathetic.
Speaker 1: Is that the right way around?
Speaker 3: Yes, sometimes it gets so confused with those and it can.
Speaker 3: Actually it actually helps in the course about our busy days.
Speaker 3: So that was the other, perhaps the thing that was
Speaker 3: just reiterated to me over all the interviews.
Speaker 4: I like that and I think similarly to the bilateral stimulation. Actually,
Speaker 4: breath work is not something that you have to do
Speaker 4: a class for or anything. You can whip it out
Speaker 4: of your pocket whenever you need it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And I just thought I was trying some
Speaker 3: interesting observations things that perhaps you know, listeners, you love
Speaker 3: hearing about, you love learning about. We're obsessed with neuroscience, dopamine.
Speaker 3: As I said, morning routines. Whenever we did any episode
Speaker 3: around morning routines, oh, the downloads were phenomenal. We're also
Speaker 3: pretty stressed out and as I said, want to break
Speaker 3: free from tech. We are loving saunas and ice bars,
Speaker 3: particularly infrared saunas. And we also love a social media
Speaker 3: wellness trend, even if it's the most ludicrous thing you've
Speaker 3: ever heard of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love to find out what it is, even
Speaker 2: if it's insane.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and we also love anything to do with better sex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do.
Speaker 4: Always a welcome you guys. It's nice the sex is wellness,
Speaker 4: you know. And that's been a good shift. It's probably
Speaker 4: happened partially while you've been doing the podcast too, Lou.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually it has. And that's an interesting point. Actually,
Speaker 3: over the four years, I've really noticed the trend and
Speaker 3: the movement culturally around health and wellness and perhaps how
Speaker 3: it's changed from trusting influences to now trusting bonafie experts,
Speaker 3: which speaks to my heart as I'm really all about
Speaker 3: science backed information.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: But anyway, Holly, I just want to say, well, firstly,
Speaker 3: a big thank you to all the listeners who have
Speaker 3: stuck around, who've pressed play and have told us and
Speaker 3: shared with us how much you enjoy the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you to all the.
Speaker 3: Guests who've given up their time to chat to me
Speaker 3: and Holly. Thank you to you for being such a
Speaker 3: great co host.
Speaker 4: Thank you Chelys, you've taught us all so much. And
Speaker 4: this world, well you're still here and you'll still.
Speaker 1: Be doing it. Watch these space people. I will be back.
Speaker 2: Yes it won't be the same, but we'll be hearing
Speaker 2: from you soon, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Thanks hold see you later.
Speaker 4: Thanks everyone, Bye,