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Speaker 1: Holley Hello, how are you Hello?

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Speaker 2: I'm well, how are you flyss?

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Speaker 1: I'm sad this is it. This is the grand finale.

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Speaker 2: It's the finale. It's the finale. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: Very mixed actually, like, I'm really excited that and I'm

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Speaker 3: very proud of the four years that healthy Ish and

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Speaker 3: Extra healthy Ish has existed when I've been on the

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Speaker 3: mic it was here before that. Very well, grateful for

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Speaker 3: all the guests who've come on, and extra extra thankful

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Speaker 3: for all the listeners. So yeah, I'm buoyant from that,

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Speaker 3: but also feeling quite sad to close this podcast once

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Speaker 3: and for all.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it's such a big achievement. It's been amazing

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Speaker 4: as a regular listener and then so times co host.

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Speaker 4: It's been an absolute trait. It's sad to imagine a

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Speaker 4: world without Healthyest.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you well, it's been delightful having you on

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Speaker 3: the pod every Friday and Thursday. You know, we're Thursday

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Speaker 3: this year with Friday last year. But thank you for

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Speaker 3: showing up and bringing some really interesting stories. So let's

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Speaker 3: just have one final one from you. What's been well?

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Speaker 3: What's grabbing your attention? On Body and Soul Online, this week.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know you love. A social media trend said.

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Speaker 1: You brought one to the end. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yes I have, Yes, I have.

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Speaker 4: So my pick of the week is why the wellness

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Speaker 4: world can't get enough of brain flossing.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is brilliant. I think this is the best

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Speaker 1: ever it might be.

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Speaker 4: It's not using dental floss on your brain, as it sounds,

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Speaker 4: thank goodness. It's actually listening to certain frequencies of music

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Speaker 4: to help you focus and calm down. This is called

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Speaker 4: bilateral stimulation and involved sound traveling rapidly between your left

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Speaker 4: and right ears, which triggers each side of the brain,

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Speaker 4: and people have described this as feeling like flossing, pulling,

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Speaker 4: or tingling feelings, overwhelming emotional releases, and waves of calm

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Speaker 4: after listening, which I think sounds pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Now, I've just come from a yoga class, and I

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Speaker 3: would say I feel all of the above after yoga.

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Speaker 2: So maybe you don't need to floss your brain then.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm into anything to make myself feel better anyway.

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Speaker 1: Carry on.

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Speaker 2: True.

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Speaker 4: So unlike white or pink noise, which sometimes people use

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Speaker 4: to help calm down, but it's not quite enough. There

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Speaker 4: is evidence that bilateral stimulation can activate the parasympathetic nervous system,

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Speaker 4: which is responsible for our flight or flight response. So

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Speaker 4: in theory, this alternating stimulation of each side of the

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Speaker 4: panic and flight or flight into rest, which I think

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Speaker 4: is great to have in your arsenal. If stress and

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Speaker 1: How do we access this sort of music and noise.

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Speaker 4: So the best thing is that you can find these

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Speaker 4: freequencies on Spotify or on YouTube, so they're really accessible

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Speaker 4: for anyone who needs them. You can listen to them anytime,

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Speaker 4: like you're in free rerest state. Yeah, and it's free.

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Speaker 4: It's great. Therapist doctor Caroline Fenkel said that it can

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Speaker 4: simulate similar effects of meditating and deep breathing and it

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Speaker 2: So I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: I like this flossing for your brain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be flossing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just going to start flossing now this podcast

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Speaker 3: But actually, when you first said flossing, I could just

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Speaker 3: all I could think I was a dance move that

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Speaker 1: So it's very far from that.

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Speaker 2: Was flossing lockdown era.

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Speaker 1: It was, but it still lingers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it's still lingers. It's around now.

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Speaker 3: Not to put you on the spot, but did you

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Speaker 3: have a do you have a favorite episode? Well, I

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Speaker 3: I just want you to share now an amazing and

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Speaker 4: The one that comes to mind is the interview you

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Speaker 4: did in twenty twenty two with doctor Anna Lemke. She

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Speaker 4: Book called Dopamine Nation, which you spoke to her about.

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Speaker 3: I really I've always well, I did get a kick

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Speaker 3: I was going through you. I've done eight hundred interviews

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Speaker 3: You and the ones around tech stepping away from your phone,

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Speaker 3: So I feel like this is just such a hot

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, and I love this someone who

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Speaker 2: They don't mean it. It's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Now, Holly, I'm not bringing a story this week. I

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Speaker 3: have to perhaps indulge you listeners, well, indulge me for

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Speaker 3: Perhaps the biggest is probably to preface this is we

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Speaker 3: Sleep sleep manager, sleep hygiene. We all know this now,

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Speaker 4: Really, I love that, and things trend and like new

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Speaker 4: I like that and I think similarly to the bilateral stimulation. Actually,

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Speaker 4: you know. And that's been a good shift. It's probably

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, Holly, I just want to say, well, firstly,

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Speaker 3: a big thank you to all the listeners who have

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Speaker 3: stuck around, who've pressed play and have told us and

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Speaker 3: shared with us how much you enjoy the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to all the.

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Speaker 3: Guests who've given up their time to chat to me

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Speaker 3: and Holly. Thank you to you for being such a

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Speaker 3: great co host.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Chelys, you've taught us all so much. And

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Speaker 4: this world, well you're still here and you'll still.

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Speaker 1: Be doing it. Watch these space people. I will be back.

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Speaker 2: Yes it won't be the same, but we'll be hearing

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Speaker 2: from you soon, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: Thanks hold see you later.

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Speaker 4: Thanks everyone, Bye,