WEBVTT - Is Joe Biden’s ceasefire plan already failing? (Update)

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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>There.

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<v Speaker 3>Before we get into this episode, a quick update for you.

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<v Speaker 4>A deal was on the table that was virtually identical

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<v Speaker 4>to proposal that Hamas before on me the sixth, A

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<v Speaker 4>deal that the entire world is behind, A deal Israel's accepted,

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<v Speaker 4>and Hamas could have answered with a single word yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Late last night, US Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln appeared

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<v Speaker 3>in front of the cameras with President Joe Biden ceasefire

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<v Speaker 3>proposal teetering on the brink of.

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<v Speaker 4>Collapse based on what we saw last night, the response

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<v Speaker 4>from the Maas numerous changes proposed to the deal that

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<v Speaker 4>was on the table, and that the entire world has

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<v Speaker 4>gotten behind. But some of those are workable changes, some

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<v Speaker 4>as I said, or not. I don't want to characterize

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<v Speaker 4>it further.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know how far apart Hamas, Israel and the

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<v Speaker 3>United States are, who's agreed to what, or what the

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<v Speaker 3>disagreements are over. We know two things for now, the

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<v Speaker 3>war will continue, and Anthony Blincoln still believes Joe Biden's

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<v Speaker 3>plan to end it can work.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe those gaps are bridgable, doesn't mean they will

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<v Speaker 4>be bridged, because again, it ultimately depends on people saying yes.

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<v Speaker 3>From Schwarz Media. I'm Ashlin McGee. This is seven am.

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<v Speaker 3>There's another proposal for a ceasefire and Gaza, and this

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<v Speaker 3>one seems to be gathering a bit of momentum. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not wildly different to the plans that came before, but

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<v Speaker 3>this one has been backed by the UN Security Council.

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<v Speaker 3>The resolution passed by the Council says Israel has accepted

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<v Speaker 3>the cease fire deal and in a statement, her masters

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<v Speaker 3>welcome the adoption of the resolution. But today it appears

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<v Speaker 3>like a deal might not be reached, with the US

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<v Speaker 3>saying her massays come back with changes that can't be

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<v Speaker 3>accepted today. Senior Foreign affairs reported for the Huffington Post

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<v Speaker 3>us Akba Shahid Ahmad on whether we're any closer to

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<v Speaker 3>a ceasefire. It's Thursday, June thirteenth, Akbar. A few weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 3>US President Joe Biden laid out his planned for a

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<v Speaker 3>ceasefire in Gaza. Right now, that seems to be the

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<v Speaker 3>plan that the international community is getting behind. But the ceasefire,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, hasn't happened yet. Can you explain where this

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<v Speaker 3>proposal came from and what it's up to now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 5>The Biden administration's current ceasefire proposal is a multi phase plan.

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<v Speaker 5>The idea is you stop fighting for an initial period

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<v Speaker 5>of a few weeks, allows some hostages to be released

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<v Speaker 5>right hostages held by Hamas and allied groups inside KLASA.

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<v Speaker 5>Also allow a lot more aid to get into Gaza,

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<v Speaker 5>so it gets the Palstonian some relief as well. And

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<v Speaker 5>in that period, while there's a temporary halt, negotiate the

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<v Speaker 5>conditions for a more permanent, lasting ceasefire.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to give an update of my effort to

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<v Speaker 6>end the crisis in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a proposal that's not entirely new. President Biden

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<v Speaker 5>unveiled it on May thirty first in a speech from

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<v Speaker 5>the White House.

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<v Speaker 6>For the past several months, my negotiators of foreign policy,

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<v Speaker 6>intelligence community like have been relentlessly focused not just on

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<v Speaker 6>a ceasefire that that would inevitably be fragile and temporary,

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<v Speaker 6>but on a durable end of the war. That's been

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<v Speaker 6>the focus of endurable end.

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<v Speaker 5>But actually this was kind of the broad contours of

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<v Speaker 5>the deal that Hamas, the US, Egypt Cut and Israel

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<v Speaker 5>had been talking about a month prior.

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<v Speaker 6>This new proposal has three phases three. The first phase

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<v Speaker 6>would last for six weeks. Here's why it would include

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<v Speaker 6>a full and complete ceasefire.

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<v Speaker 5>What I think is really important is that we've had

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<v Speaker 5>the deal, we've had these contours, we've known these principles

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<v Speaker 5>for this amount of time now, I mean close to

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<v Speaker 5>six weeks, and we haven't been able to make progress.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>If anything, that's just been repeated as trits sort of

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<v Speaker 5>been hugely costly within Kasa, killing dozens of civilians. There's

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<v Speaker 5>been some progress on the hostage front. These radis were

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<v Speaker 5>able to have a raid where they released, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>four hostages. We're committed to getting the release of all

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<v Speaker 5>the hostages and we expect haw Mask to release them all,

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<v Speaker 5>but if they don't, will do whatever it takes to

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<v Speaker 5>get them all back home. But actual major progress hasn't happened.

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<v Speaker 5>And from my sources, including people inside the Biden administration,

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<v Speaker 5>the understanding is very much that there's a lack of

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<v Speaker 5>pressure from the US side. Right so the US, as

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<v Speaker 5>the primary diplomatic and military backup for Israel, has that

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<v Speaker 5>kind of leverage over these ratings.

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<v Speaker 2>So the person that.

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<v Speaker 5>The US can bring alongside is is really prime minist

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<v Speaker 5>of Benjamin at Yahoo. But we've seen from the start

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<v Speaker 5>of this war that President Biden has really struggled with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhetorically, he's sort.

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<v Speaker 5>Of pushed Prime Minister nat Nyahu to temper his campaign

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<v Speaker 5>to do water shield civilians, to allow and more aid.

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<v Speaker 5>But repeatedly there's been a pattern from the vide administration

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<v Speaker 5>of relying on rhetoric and persuasion rather than actual consequences

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<v Speaker 5>for the Israeli side. And that's kind of the problem

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<v Speaker 5>now with the ceasefire proposal, where they've got the US

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<v Speaker 5>has endorsed it, they've got a lot of other countries,

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<v Speaker 5>the UN Security Council past resolution broadly endorsing it. None

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<v Speaker 5>of that is a way to actually force Israel to

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<v Speaker 5>accept it, right, and so we've seen repeatedly Israeli official

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<v Speaker 5>sy well, this yeald doesn't address our fundamental goal, which

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<v Speaker 5>is not just getting home hostages, but also degrading Hamas

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<v Speaker 5>to a huge degree and also not allowing future harmass

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<v Speaker 5>control and influence inside Gaza in Sport.

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<v Speaker 7>We have gone a long way to return the hostages

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<v Speaker 7>while keeping the wars objectives in mind, primarily the elimination

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<v Speaker 7>of Hamas. We insist that we will achieve both. It's

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<v Speaker 7>all parts of the plan.

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<v Speaker 5>The Biden administration has tried to argue, Oh, this is

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<v Speaker 5>in Israel's own best interest by having this seal, Right,

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<v Speaker 5>given the reputational harm they're facing and the ongoing issue

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<v Speaker 5>of the hostages for Prime Minsat and Yahoo, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think that's quite clear yet.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's the US playing at here?

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<v Speaker 1>Then?

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<v Speaker 3>And talk to me about how they're framing it, saying

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<v Speaker 3>it's supported by or backed by the Israelis, and then

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<v Speaker 3>they're putting a whole lot of pressure on her mask

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<v Speaker 3>to accept it. So what's this strategy here?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so they've tried to say this was an Israeli

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<v Speaker 5>plan and we as the US, are just kind of

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<v Speaker 5>pushing from behind.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, Israel accepted the proposal as it was, and as

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<v Speaker 4>it is Hamas didn't. So I think it's pretty clear

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<v Speaker 4>what needs to happen, and we're determined in the coming

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<v Speaker 4>days to again try to work this. We will work this.

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<v Speaker 5>That's very hard to do when the Israelis themselves, as

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<v Speaker 5>your friend and ally, are out here saying every single

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<v Speaker 5>day and notice, isn't our plan. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 5>accept this. This doesn't address our concerns for the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 5>The motivation is it's twofold, right, I mean, it's political. Domestically,

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<v Speaker 5>there's just huge pressure, huge dissatisfaction, particularly among President Biden's

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<v Speaker 5>own Democrats lawmakers, but also just regular voters and citizens,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean who have been demonstrating who don't understand why

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<v Speaker 5>US taxpayer dollars are involved in asteriks that are killing

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<v Speaker 5>children simultaneously. The Biden deministration just doesn't want to be

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<v Speaker 5>talking about this. You know, from a strategic foreign policy

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<v Speaker 5>point of view, you're not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 5>draw international attention, and you're not even going to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to win over the credibility and trust you need

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<v Speaker 5>from other governments to have them sign on to your

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<v Speaker 5>other proposals, which is what the Biden administration desperately wants.

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<v Speaker 3>So you mentioned earlier the rescue of those four hostages

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<v Speaker 3>over the wakend. What's that done to the chances of

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<v Speaker 3>a ceasefire? Has it complicated the chances of getting agreement

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<v Speaker 3>on these deals?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was a really complex moment for the

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<v Speaker 5>US right because as of course true belietion that these hostages,

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<v Speaker 5>one of them, you know, who has a term Neil

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<v Speaker 5>Mother that they were able to be released and brought

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<v Speaker 5>back into Israel, reunited with their families. However, this is

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<v Speaker 5>kind of underscored Prime Minister at Nyaho's commitment to a

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<v Speaker 5>military approach. Now, we haven't seen a military first approach

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<v Speaker 5>to rescuing hostages bring home the vast majority, right, Really,

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<v Speaker 5>it's been less than a dozen and if anything, you've

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<v Speaker 5>actually seen as radio military actions also take out and

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<v Speaker 5>kill a number of hostages tragically. But it does make

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<v Speaker 5>it easier for Prime Minister at Nyaho to challenge the

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<v Speaker 5>Biden administration and say, well, I'm achieving the goals of

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<v Speaker 5>the war. At the same time, publicly they are debating strategy.

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<v Speaker 5>The Biden administration is saying, You're not going to get

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<v Speaker 5>much further in defeating Hamas or bring home your hostages

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<v Speaker 5>with your current approach, and these radio messages essentially ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Make it happen. Trust us.

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<v Speaker 5>And because the Biden administration is unwilling to pull back

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<v Speaker 5>on any of that support, right US intelligence, US support

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<v Speaker 5>is still enabling Israeli ground operations and s strikes. They

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<v Speaker 5>don't really have any more tips to play towards these

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<v Speaker 5>radis other than trying to outsmart them.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to me a little bit more about that pressure

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<v Speaker 3>that Benjamin NITTNYA who is under and you mentioned they're

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<v Speaker 3>both the internal politics and the external as well. But

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<v Speaker 3>he's got the U S Secretary of State Anthony Blinker

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<v Speaker 3>in town this week. That's going to put a whole

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<v Speaker 3>lot of pressure on him. So talk to me about

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<v Speaker 3>what he's feeling right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So for Preme Incidentia who there's a real impetus to

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<v Speaker 5>not be seen as totally adrift from the US. Right

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<v Speaker 5>most is Radi's do see the US as their primary

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<v Speaker 5>defender in a very complex neighborhood, as their longtime ally.

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<v Speaker 5>So and Naho can't come right out and sort of

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<v Speaker 5>give the finger to the Biden administration, much as he

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<v Speaker 5>personally might like to, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is the leader.

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<v Speaker 5>Who has been much more supportive of Donald Trump than

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<v Speaker 5>of Democrats over many years. He is medium with Secretary Blincoln.

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<v Speaker 5>He will smile, he'll do the photo op. Though what

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<v Speaker 5>we know is that behind closed doores he's essentially either

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<v Speaker 5>telling the Americans, I just have no interest in doing

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<v Speaker 5>what you want moving towards the ceasefire, or kind of

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<v Speaker 5>telling them one thing and then as soon as Blinker

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<v Speaker 5>or whoever it is he's meeting, leaves doing exactly the opposite.

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<v Speaker 5>Now why does he do exactly the opposite? That gets

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<v Speaker 5>to the question of his internal pressures prement s Natna,

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<v Speaker 5>who depends right now on the most far right government

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<v Speaker 5>in Israeli history. He's brought into power these ministers who

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<v Speaker 5>many other Israeli political parties had for decades seen as

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<v Speaker 5>prisona on grata because of their extremist views on Palestinians

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<v Speaker 5>in particular, but also on a range of issues. Sontnia,

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<v Speaker 5>who knows that that coalition he has is very shaky,

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<v Speaker 5>and because of the leaving an influence he has over

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<v Speaker 5>the far right, he's more likely to lean on these

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<v Speaker 5>kind of more extreme ministers, Ministers who would not support

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<v Speaker 5>us these fire dealga tamas, and who very much want

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<v Speaker 5>to see even if it's strategically unsound, very much want

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<v Speaker 5>to see Israel take these huge STAPs like reoccupying parts

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<v Speaker 5>of Gaza, sustaining security controlled even threatening Israel's decades or

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<v Speaker 5>peace treaty in Egypt. Right, So that's real national security concerns,

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<v Speaker 5>and what these ministers are politically urging that Neoh to do.

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<v Speaker 3>After the break. Why some are describing President Biden's peace

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<v Speaker 3>bid as a hail Mary pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Akba.

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<v Speaker 3>A number of US officials have recently resigned over the

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<v Speaker 3>Biden administration's position on Gaza. Tell me more about what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on for them internally in the pressure that that's

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<v Speaker 3>putting on the US president.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, Ashen, in more than a decade of

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<v Speaker 5>covering foreign policy from Washington, I've never seen this degree

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<v Speaker 5>of dissent and frustration among foreign policy professionals, right experts.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the reason for that is there's a real

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<v Speaker 5>sense that national security expertise has been sidelined by the

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<v Speaker 5>Biden administration since October seventh. And that's not a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people who have been working on these issues for

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<v Speaker 5>years to quit, starting with someone called Josh Paul I

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<v Speaker 5>was the first to reveal his resignation in October.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I've actually heard since I left from so many

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<v Speaker 8>scores of people, not only from within the State Department,

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<v Speaker 8>but from across the US government, including them.

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<v Speaker 5>And this was someone who was an arms dealer essentially

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<v Speaker 5>for the US government, right, I mean, overseeing weapons transfers

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<v Speaker 5>to some really questionable regimes like Saudi Arabia.

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<v Speaker 2>Even he felt.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, at least internally before we were having a debate over.

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<v Speaker 2>These weapons transfers.

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<v Speaker 5>Following October seventh, we've been quite silenced and stifled.

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<v Speaker 8>All saying that they are finding what is being done

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<v Speaker 8>incredibly difficult to support, incredibly difficult to comprehend, and yet

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<v Speaker 8>of being met with silence or with being told that

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<v Speaker 8>they should stop questioning the policy and just move ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>That happened back in October.

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<v Speaker 5>After that, we didn't see a resignation at a high

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<v Speaker 5>level until January. And now just in this calendar year

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<v Speaker 5>we're sitting here in June, we've seen, in fact, close

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<v Speaker 5>to ten more. You've seen people resign from non foreign

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<v Speaker 5>policy related departments such Parton of Education, Department of Interior.

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<v Speaker 5>One of them was the first Jewish American appointed to resign.

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<v Speaker 5>She sat up and said, look, President Biden, someone I

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<v Speaker 5>signed up to work for, is in fact making chows

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<v Speaker 5>in America less safe.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be part.

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<v Speaker 1>Of this, and that not only is it devastating for Palestinians, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think October seventh made it very very clear

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<v Speaker 1>that it also doesn't keep Israeli safe, and that if

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to actually create a thriving future for Israelis,

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<v Speaker 1>for Palestinians, for Jews, for the communities that we care

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<v Speaker 1>about here in America. Something has to change.

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<v Speaker 5>You've seen someone who was AURB Americans stand up and say,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to feel implicated in the massive death

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<v Speaker 5>of people from my community.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a particular moment in time.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was a culmination of near daily dehumanization

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<v Speaker 5>of posting and lives in Gaza in the West Bay.

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<v Speaker 5>And then you've seen a number of national security experts,

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<v Speaker 5>so people from the military, two more people from the

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<v Speaker 5>State Department.

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<v Speaker 8>Stacy Gilbert served as senior Advisor in the State Department's

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<v Speaker 8>Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration, which is the State

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<v Speaker 8>Department's chief humanitarian office.

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<v Speaker 5>And in fact, this is this last official Stacey Gilbert

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<v Speaker 5>is someone who's been doing that work for more than

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<v Speaker 5>twenty years. She quit over a specific report, right she

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<v Speaker 5>quit over the support Divide administration produced last month, which

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<v Speaker 5>was supposed to be just a factual analysis of allegations

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<v Speaker 5>of Israel breaking in national law using US equipment.

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<v Speaker 9>I was shocked, however, that it also went on to

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<v Speaker 9>say that Israel it is our assessment that Israel is

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<v Speaker 9>not blocking him ouanetarian assistance. That is not that is

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<v Speaker 9>not the view of subject matter experts at the State Department,

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<v Speaker 9>at USAID, nor among the humanitarian community.

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<v Speaker 10>And that was No, You're not an administration or a

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<v Speaker 10>department that twists the facts and allegations that we have

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<v Speaker 10>are unfounded. But this is as any report and as

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<v Speaker 10>any process that is undertaken in a policy making process.

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<v Speaker 10>These processes are deliberative and they involve inputs from people

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<v Speaker 10>at a variety of seniority and expert levels.

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<v Speaker 3>What are people who are still inside the administration telling

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<v Speaker 3>you at the moment?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the ongoing offensive and rough is extremely.

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<v Speaker 5>Concerning to a lot of people because more than a

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<v Speaker 5>million Parastenians have now fled over the past month since

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<v Speaker 5>Israel launches operation and importantly, this was precisely the operation

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<v Speaker 5>present Biden had that he could not support. So I

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<v Speaker 5>think there was a lot of hope. Look, these are

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<v Speaker 5>people who have signed out to join government right. They

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<v Speaker 5>are fundamentally institutionalists. They believe that the system works. And

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<v Speaker 5>when a leader like President Biden says I have a

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<v Speaker 5>red line on RUFFA, I will not give these Raeli's

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<v Speaker 5>military assistants to go into this final refuge for Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 5>They believe him right, and they really take that seriously.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the repeated sort of collapse and emptiness of

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<v Speaker 5>promises like that around the report around the Rough Offensive

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<v Speaker 5>have deeply disillusioned people. I wouldn't be surprised if there

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<v Speaker 5>were more resignations. It's important to remember there there could

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<v Speaker 5>be many. We just don't know about where people haven't

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<v Speaker 5>come out publicly and said it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do hear that.

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<v Speaker 5>As a Rough Offensive grinds on as these kind of

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<v Speaker 5>huge strikes killing dozens of children become more common, and

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<v Speaker 5>famine is under way in Gaza as people die of

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<v Speaker 5>preventable reasons. Right aid can get through famine support and

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<v Speaker 5>get through it just isn't that's pushing more people towards

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<v Speaker 5>that breaking point at the State Department, intelligence community, in

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<v Speaker 5>the military, and other related agencies.

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<v Speaker 3>Akbar, Finally, what do you think will force the next

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<v Speaker 3>move here? When will we see some movement and some

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<v Speaker 3>practical steps towards pace.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there's a few factists look at that's political

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<v Speaker 5>pressure for President Biden. He has a presidential debate with

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump coming up at the end of June, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think he knows that cars will be a big

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<v Speaker 5>is shoot there. He'll want something he can talk about

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<v Speaker 5>positively at that moment. If his seats fire proposal doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>go through, if he can't get these released their greet it,

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<v Speaker 5>I think you'll see some scrambling by the campaign and

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<v Speaker 5>the deminstration to get some other truncated version of a

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<v Speaker 5>halt in fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>I think something one insider.

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<v Speaker 5>Described to me earlier this week was with the seats

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<v Speaker 5>fire proposal, President Biden did what we call a hail

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<v Speaker 5>Mary pass right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he.

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<v Speaker 5>Realised, I'm just going to put it all out there

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<v Speaker 5>called is an Israeli thing and try to create pressure

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<v Speaker 5>on them. Ten days in these Radis have resisted the pressure.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a stand off. Now it's the game of chicken.

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<v Speaker 5>But they will have to try another move from the

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<v Speaker 5>Biden administration side, and that could take the form of

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<v Speaker 5>circumventing these Raadis. There's been some talk about a direct

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<v Speaker 5>American Hamas deal on at least some of the hostages.

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<v Speaker 5>I also think, just finally, as we see risks of

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<v Speaker 5>other wars increase, also in southern Lebanon and northern Israel.

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<v Speaker 5>That could affect the administration's thinking. If that happens, that's

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<v Speaker 5>extremely scary for President Biden in terms of wider war,

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<v Speaker 5>bringing in around, bringing in the US, and I think

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<v Speaker 5>you could see different behavior from him.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, Abar, thanks so much for your time. It's been

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<v Speaker 3>great to chat.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me. Ashlyn.

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<v Speaker 3>Also in the news today, the Premiere of Victoria has

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<v Speaker 3>issued a statement in support of the young women and

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<v Speaker 3>parents at a Victorian school after the arrest of a

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<v Speaker 3>teen who allegedly created explicit deep fake images of fifty

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<v Speaker 3>female students. In a statement, Premier just Cinra Allen said, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no place for this disgraceful and misogynistic conduct in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 3>And despite the cost of living crisis, executives at top

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<v Speaker 3>Australian companies are receiving generous pay rises. According to a

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<v Speaker 3>report from the Governance Institute of Australia. It found CEO

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<v Speaker 3>salaries at their top two hundred ASX listed companies rose

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<v Speaker 3>by fourteen percent in the last financial year, from an

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<v Speaker 3>average of one point one four million dollars to one

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<v Speaker 3>point three seven million per year. That's all from the

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<v Speaker 3>team at seven am for today. My name's Ashlin McGee.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for your company. I'll see you again tomorrow