Speaker 1: Approche production. Over the last ten episodes, we've explored what
Speaker 1: might have happened to my uncle Dez, who went missing
Speaker 1: more than forty years ago while working on a road
Speaker 1: roller just north of Broome. We have had so many
Speaker 1: people reach out with theories and contacts. The police have
Speaker 1: been helpful, my family has been supportive while excited to
Speaker 1: see what else we could learn, and we've had an
Speaker 1: excellent response from you. We have always believed that by
Speaker 1: spreading this story we might find some answers or at
Speaker 1: least inspire some action. Finally, that has happened. You'll remember
Speaker 1: when we first spoke to Jude Severright from the police,
Speaker 1: she mentioned the slow process on a coroner's inquest for
Speaker 1: des In forty years, no inquest was ever done.
Speaker 2: So I don't believe that this has gone to the coroner.
Speaker 2: So we are going through all our a number of
Speaker 2: our long term missing person's cases that haven't haven't been
Speaker 2: to the kinnery and putting those forwards to close the
Speaker 2: case from a legal sense, but still it will always
Speaker 2: remain on our books as a case because that person
Speaker 2: has never been found.
Speaker 1: Well, after ten episodes and hundreds of thousands of listens,
Speaker 1: I finally got an email while in im meeting at work.
Speaker 1: It was from the Missing Person's Department in wa and
Speaker 1: it read, darj, I'm finalizing my report for the coroner
Speaker 1: in relation to long term missing person Desmond car I
Speaker 1: know that you've been in contact with Detective Sergeant sev Wright,
Speaker 1: and I was hoping you could help me with a
Speaker 1: couple of questions. I note that both as DES's parents
Speaker 1: and his sister Gwen are deceased, who would be the
Speaker 1: next of kin? I require this information for my report,
Speaker 1: as the coroner will write to the next of kin
Speaker 1: with her ruling. Also, do you know DES's mother's maiden name?
Speaker 1: I needed to call mom, firstly because they'd recently moved
Speaker 1: so I don't have her address, and secondly because I
Speaker 1: can't remember my grandma's maiden name. And finally, I wanted
Speaker 1: to break the news that she should expect a report
Speaker 1: from the coroner shortly. This is what we've all been
Speaker 1: waiting for. Hello, Hey, Mom, it's me.
Speaker 3: Hey, I how are you good?
Speaker 4: Hang?
Speaker 1: I love or to turn it up? Yeah, what's going on?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 4: We're just having a little lay.
Speaker 1: Down so you'll remember that over forty years Uncle Daz.
Speaker 1: We've never actually had a coroner's inquest. You know that,
Speaker 1: don't you not?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 1: Love? No, no, well, I've just had news from the
Speaker 1: police because they wanted your details. They're finally doing a
Speaker 1: coroner's report. You did all this? Yeah, well the podcast
Speaker 1: helped do it, didn't it. Yeah that's true. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: if you're okay, I've given them your home address, which
Speaker 1: why asked for it the other day, and I've also
Speaker 1: given them your phone number. Yeah, that's fine. So what
Speaker 1: will happen now is the police will the coroner will
Speaker 1: make a finding on what they believe happened to Uncle Dez,
Speaker 1: and then they will send you that report.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, oh love me, okay, thank you that you've
Speaker 4: done a very good job. Love.
Speaker 1: So that's good news, I reckon.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Thank you to you too.
Speaker 2: You know, taken time and effort to to do it. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know how Mum felt about this information. I
Speaker 1: also know that Mum would take a little bit of
Speaker 1: time to process the information. I'm worried for her. She's
Speaker 1: going to get a letter from the coroner with a
Speaker 1: finding about her only brother's disappearance. It feels kind of
Speaker 1: impersonal and a little bit harsh to send a letter
Speaker 1: as opposed to a phone call or a meeting. But
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's just a process. I know this because
Speaker 1: my cousin Michelle actually emailed me a letter that was
Speaker 1: sent to the family on October four, nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 1: after they inquired about a possible sighting.
Speaker 5: Dear Madam, in reply to your letter dated twenty fifth
Speaker 5: of September nineteen seventy nine, concerning information about your brother
Speaker 5: Desmond Carr, I wish to advise that, unfortunately we are
Speaker 5: unable to forward official departmental documents. However, the following information
Speaker 5: may be of some assistance to your inquiry. A telex
Speaker 5: message was received from Broom Police on the twenty first
Speaker 5: of September nineteen seventy nine, stating that a person who
Speaker 5: might be Desmond Karr was believed to be cited at
Speaker 5: one arm Point, an Aboriginal settlement two hundred kilometers north
Speaker 5: of Broom. However, subsequent inquiries by Broom Police who have
Speaker 5: visited the settlement found the report to be incorrect, and
Speaker 5: the person's residing there stated.
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, it's kind of impersonal, but with
Speaker 1: over two thousand long term missing persons and only a
Speaker 1: handful of missing persons specialists in WA. I guess it
Speaker 1: is just a process. Either way, I know it will
Speaker 1: help our family find some closure. Here's the questions we
Speaker 1: need to know about the report. Will it have a
Speaker 1: finding on the body that was found in Newman and
Speaker 1: once all eliminate that as a possible connection to Dez.
Speaker 1: Will it confirm Peter's sighting of Dez the weekend after
Speaker 1: he was reported missing or will this also not be
Speaker 1: part of the coroner's report? And also, what do the
Speaker 1: police think happened to my uncle? This is not the
Speaker 1: only coronial inquest on my mind. You may have heard
Speaker 1: that we released a new podcast which chronicles the disappearance
Speaker 1: of a young man in New South Wales only three
Speaker 1: years ago. His name was Zach Barnes, and his mum, Karen,
Speaker 1: is also desperate to ensure her coronial inquest offers up
Speaker 1: some answers.
Speaker 6: Where my understanding is at this point is we're going
Speaker 6: to request a coronial inquest. There's no guarantee that will
Speaker 6: be granted one, so we could pushing for all of
Speaker 6: this and the coroner has the power to say we
Speaker 6: don't think it warrants one and we'll be going to
Speaker 6: the High Court to demand one. Hopefully that won't happen.
Speaker 6: I think we've got enough exposure that the coroner might
Speaker 6: say we need to knit this in the butt sort
Speaker 6: of thing.
Speaker 1: That podcast is called What Happened to Zack and it's
Speaker 1: available now wherever you're listening to this podcast. I thought
Speaker 1: I would try Detective Jude sev Wright to see if
Speaker 1: she found any answers before mum receives the report in
Speaker 1: the mail. If I could give Mum and the family
Speaker 1: a bit of a heads up before she receives the letter,
Speaker 1: that feels like the right thing to do.
Speaker 2: Good afterday missing Persons, Judu right speaking Hello.
Speaker 1: Jude, it's Jay walkin and how are you going?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 2: Good and good sayings? How things with you?
Speaker 1: Well? Really good? After hearing from your one of your
Speaker 1: people that the coroner's report is heading our way shortly, I.
Speaker 2: Guess yep, it's off there today.
Speaker 1: So Jude tell me the process again. Remind me what
Speaker 1: the process was for a coroner report.
Speaker 2: Well, the police files been examined and the information that
Speaker 2: held within the file has resulted in a report to
Speaker 2: the coroner where the coroner will make a determination in
Speaker 2: relation to whether Dares is likely to be deceased or not,
Speaker 2: and also the circumstances surrounding that.
Speaker 1: And so thank you because I know this is something
Speaker 1: that we spoke about in the first ever episode of
Speaker 1: this podcast, which if I can recall, it was about
Speaker 1: back in the day. These were all paper files and
Speaker 1: you were in the process of moving all of those
Speaker 1: into a digital format, which was then obviously transferred to
Speaker 1: the coroner. Is that right? Is that what I recall?
Speaker 2: Yes, I have been transferred into more of an electronic format,
Speaker 2: and then also all of that information has been compiled
Speaker 2: and forward onto the coroner.
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of questions that you may or
Speaker 1: may not be able to answer, but one of them
Speaker 1: I know the families interested in is that body and
Speaker 1: Newman would that form part of the report.
Speaker 2: To the in relation to all of these long term
Speaker 2: missing persons and they'll unidentified human remains in the process
Speaker 2: of reconciling those two to ensure that we can hopefully
Speaker 2: identify all our unidentified human remains. So that's a process
Speaker 2: that's in consultation with ourselves, obviously the coroner and the
Speaker 2: state mortuary. So all working together to hopefully identify these
Speaker 2: outstanding remains and maybe bring some closure to family.
Speaker 1: And I guess the only other question that was sort
Speaker 1: of outstanding was whether there would need to be a
Speaker 1: DNA sample, But I guess you can't know that until
Speaker 1: you understand who the remains were.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. So we'll look at all the circumstances
Speaker 2: surrounding the remains that have been found in the different cases,
Speaker 2: and if we believe that the DNA sample front family
Speaker 2: may help the case, then we will try and source
Speaker 2: he samples.
Speaker 1: You may recall Kylie Ann Connolly, Peter Connolly's daughter, who's
Speaker 1: offered to help. She had created a poster which is
Speaker 1: placing up around noticeboards in Derby and Broom. This might
Speaker 1: feel a little archaic, but in a town like Broom,
Speaker 1: where people who were growing up in nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 1: are now much older and might not know what a
Speaker 1: podcast is, it might help. Kylie Ann and her dad Peter,
Speaker 1: also offered to check on the memorial cross that was
Speaker 1: placed by the road about a year after DES's disappearance.
Speaker 1: They did, and unfortunately this cross is no longer there. Finally,
Speaker 1: Kylie Anne put us in contact with John Gray, who
Speaker 1: was working with des at Thango at the time of
Speaker 1: his disappearance. Could he have sancers?
Speaker 6: This is John Gray a message for Latrecia or myself.
Speaker 1: So we left the message for John and we'll leave
Speaker 1: our chat with John to the next episode. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: our next step is to find out what the coroner's
Speaker 1: report says when it officially lands in Mum's letterbox. It's
Speaker 1: a painful way, but no more painful for my mum
Speaker 1: and family than the last forty years of not knowing.
Speaker 1: It's been over a year since I released the last
Speaker 1: episode of this podcast, and so much has happened in
Speaker 1: our world. Although the world's moving fast, in the world
Speaker 1: of my missing uncle Daz, the world has not moved
Speaker 1: as quick. You might recall in the last few episodes
Speaker 1: that a coroner's report had begun into the disappearance of
Speaker 1: my uncle. There was also DNA being taken by police
Speaker 1: for my mum and my Auntie Joy. This was to
Speaker 1: have a familiar DNA with the body that was found
Speaker 1: in human Mum's dementia has progressed and although her long
Speaker 1: term memory is strong, a short term memory is not
Speaker 1: very good. Over the past twelve months. I've been in
Speaker 1: regular contact with my cousin Michelle, whose mum Gwen, led
Speaker 1: the search for our missing uncle before she passed in
Speaker 1: July twenty twenty, in the midst of COVID nineteen. Michelle
Speaker 1: called me to update on some information.
Speaker 3: Hi, Hija Michelle, How are you?
Speaker 1: Oh, Hi Michelle, how are you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Not too bad, not too bad. Just bringing to update
Speaker 3: you on some information. Last week, any joy, if one
Speaker 3: enjoy was listening to the radio and you heard something
Speaker 3: mentioned about an inquest missing persons Desmond car and she
Speaker 3: only caught the end of it. Was on the ABC
Speaker 3: news on the radio. So she was bit rattled by
Speaker 3: it and thought what's going on? So she rang me
Speaker 3: and told me about it. I tried to find the
Speaker 3: broadcast and re listen, but I couldn't find it, OK,
Speaker 3: And I listened to the next one news. There was
Speaker 3: nothing on there.
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to do some digging and have
Speaker 1: a few contacts at the ABC, so I was able
Speaker 1: to track down that news report on the local ABC
Speaker 1: station that my Auntie Joy was listening to. Police have
Speaker 1: asked the state coroner to review the cases of two
Speaker 1: missing men and the Kimberley. Desmond Carr was last seen
Speaker 1: by his main Roads coworkers in August nineteen seventy four
Speaker 1: when they dropped him at a job south of Broom.
Speaker 1: When they came back, his steamroller was still running, but
Speaker 1: there was no trace of the thirty eight year old
Speaker 1: Rollie Nixon went missing from Fitzroy Crossing in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing that at the exact moment my Auntie
Speaker 1: Joy was listening to the radio, she thought she overheard
Speaker 1: something about her missing brother. Now you might be thinking
Speaker 1: how terrible that DES's sister heard about the coroner's report
Speaker 1: on the radio and not from police, But my cousin
Speaker 1: Michelle explained why that was the case. She ran police
Speaker 1: to inquire about the radio.
Speaker 3: News report, decided to give a call to the coroner's
Speaker 3: office in first and got put through absolutely lovely, lovely people,
Speaker 3: very very helpful. So it got put through to A Lyell,
Speaker 3: who's the nact. He's the police sergeant there, and he
Speaker 3: also said there was an officer, Craig Robinson's that would
Speaker 3: also be dealing with the case. So Craig gave me
Speaker 3: a fullback, really lovely, lovely chap and I told him
Speaker 3: who I was, and then he just sort of said,
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you called that they didn't have any
Speaker 3: record of the downy person. They had was any shell
Speaker 3: walkden on as far as any sort of contact on
Speaker 3: his desk. Bearing in mind he said, this is all
Speaker 3: just landed on his desk, but he's quite new to
Speaker 3: it all, so he sort of ran through a few
Speaker 3: things to him. I got down a whole heap of
Speaker 3: information just stop points on any injuries and that sends
Speaker 3: it off to him, and he invited me in to
Speaker 3: come in and have a chat. So I sent a
Speaker 3: couple of hours in there this morning having a talk
Speaker 3: to him. Very very helpful, very open. He's been dealing
Speaker 3: with a few of the missing persons long term cases.
Speaker 3: It felt very comfortable sitting there, which was nice. Wow,
Speaker 3: And wasn't wasn't rushed. He just handed me the file
Speaker 3: and just said go through it, explained a few things
Speaker 3: in it, and just said let me know what you think.
Speaker 3: Anything you can add. He didn't have your contact details,
Speaker 3: he had I had given him the heads up and
Speaker 3: he did listen to the podcast, so he had listened
Speaker 3: to the podcast and he just thought it was great.
Speaker 3: But it's so good to have this avenue as well
Speaker 3: for information.
Speaker 1: So we finally have a police officer who's working with
Speaker 1: the state carner to prepare a report so that they
Speaker 1: can establish what happened to my uncle. Michelle's more than
Speaker 1: happy with how her time went with Senior Constable robertson.
Speaker 3: Where they're at. They're still probably hasn't got to the
Speaker 3: inquest stage apparently, but it's landed on them to be
Speaker 3: going through. It still sounded like it could be a
Speaker 3: long way off. There was also talk of that body
Speaker 3: that they found in Newman. I questioned that, and I
Speaker 3: also brought up about my concerns about it. That's probably
Speaker 3: doing some DNA testing on either an Enjoy or any show.
Speaker 3: I sort of feel like that's something we should I
Speaker 3: would feel more comfortable with sitting there ready to go,
Speaker 3: if not for an hour for later on, Michelle gave.
Speaker 1: Me the police officer's details, so I emailed him in
Speaker 1: hope to try and get some time with him to
Speaker 1: find out the progress of my uncle's case and to
Speaker 1: see if there was anything else he could update me on.
Speaker 1: Of course, I also wanted to record this update to
Speaker 1: use it on the podcast, but as Craig explained in
Speaker 1: his email return, he's not just a police officer, He's
Speaker 1: an officer of the court and that might undermine the
Speaker 1: authority of the coroner. We agreed to have a chat
Speaker 1: on the phone with the recording devices switched off. My
Speaker 1: chat with Officer Robinson went well. He was friendly and
Speaker 1: helpful and explain where he was at with my uncle's file.
Speaker 1: Michelle was also able to give me an update on
Speaker 1: how her initial chat with Officer Robinson went.
Speaker 3: It was it was very positive today. I just sort
Speaker 3: of and as I tried to explain to him, we're
Speaker 3: not after blame. He We're not after things weren't done right.
Speaker 3: I mean, forty years ago things were done differently to now.
Speaker 3: But we are hoping for some cloth and some information.
Speaker 3: We're able to hisoryesod in any broken bones that Uncle
Speaker 3: Dares had had and stuff, which was great that thankfully
Speaker 3: Grandma you've kept She kept all the records of everything,
Speaker 3: so we were able to concern that he had had
Speaker 3: a broken nose play in his cheek. He also just
Speaker 3: dealt with when uncle isn't missing the Pearl diver, okay,
Speaker 3: missing him. He's actually just dealt with that case, so
Speaker 3: he knows how things were in Broom. There seemed to
Speaker 3: be a lot of detailed information, so hopefully if you
Speaker 3: get over here anytime, you would be more than welcome
Speaker 3: to going there to have a look through the folder.
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen has put a stop to me going anywhere
Speaker 1: near wa to see those files or my parents and
Speaker 1: my brothers, but there were a few things that were
Speaker 1: interesting to me. One of those interesting points was the
Speaker 1: fact that my uncle had a broken nye and a
Speaker 1: metal plate in his head, so if there were any
Speaker 1: bones found like the ones in Newman, then it would
Speaker 1: be an easy enough task to discount them if the
Speaker 1: two things didn't match up. The senior Constable also investigated
Speaker 1: the missing Pearl diver in Broom a few days after
Speaker 1: my uncle disappeared, so he had a pretty good knowledge
Speaker 1: of the area and the feeling of the town and
Speaker 1: the seventies, and also how the search went for both
Speaker 1: of those missing men.
Speaker 3: I did walk out of there going you know, that
Speaker 3: was oneerful and I'd put everything, you know, like I've
Speaker 3: screenshot a few of the conversations and people, and I
Speaker 3: did let Peter Connelly and Brian Lewis know update them
Speaker 3: on where we're at and just saying how was Peter's Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's good, he's doing okay, and he just thanked me
Speaker 3: for letting them know and when there is an inquest,
Speaker 3: they'd like to be there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It definitely walked out of there after talking to Craig
Speaker 3: feeling a lot happier. That feels like something could be
Speaker 3: getting done and just just being investigated. But there was
Speaker 3: a little bit of detailed information so you can see
Speaker 3: where the file had been accessed, so it has been ongoing.
Speaker 3: So that was good to see that it just wasn't
Speaker 3: just put there sort of thing, so that was good
Speaker 3: that it wasn't a lot. But we're just going to
Speaker 3: try and now find a photo of They wanted a
Speaker 3: photo of Uncle das if we could get a smiling photo,
Speaker 3: so Anny Joy was going to look what she had
Speaker 3: with most of ours. He wasn't smiling.
Speaker 1: But why would they want a smiling photo, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe for the teeth, maybe because it was confirmed with
Speaker 3: the bottom of his bottom lower teeth and everything, so
Speaker 3: that was all I sort of made sure they knew
Speaker 3: that that the teeth just his adult teeth never grew.
Speaker 3: It was he was just born with these baby teeth
Speaker 3: and they never lost yep. But yeah, so there was
Speaker 3: and it was good that we have actual dates of
Speaker 3: when he did have the plate or something put into
Speaker 3: his cheek from a broken cheek and a broken nose.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that was good that and he's always
Speaker 3: able to find that information as well.
Speaker 1: All of these tiny details seemed important. Photographs of his smile,
Speaker 1: knowing if he had a broken bone people he knew
Speaker 1: it would seem the police are leaving no stone unturned
Speaker 1: to help find an answer, which I guess you would expect,
Speaker 1: but forty years on, it's still refreshing to hear someone
Speaker 1: was as interested as we are in fining some closure.
Speaker 1: There were also a few new things that Michelle found
Speaker 1: while looking through the police file.
Speaker 3: He sat there, he went through everything. I hadn't everything
Speaker 3: any photos and screenshots like we've sent each other. I
Speaker 3: put on a USB and just said, look, have this.
Speaker 3: There's some screenshots of some letters we've received. I also
Speaker 3: came across a meta from Tony Erny with the Tony
Speaker 3: Soon of good friends and uncle I think Uncle Dares
Speaker 3: lived with them up there, and suddenly enough on one
Speaker 3: of the records I did see it had to down
Speaker 3: as proposed girlfriend O and all that that was actually
Speaker 3: Tony girlfriend, so were able to do that.
Speaker 1: But you might remember in an earlier episode that my
Speaker 1: uncle apparently didn't have a girlfriend, so it's unlikely he'd
Speaker 1: proposed to someone. As Michelle said, it's more likely the
Speaker 1: information was taken down wrong at the time. There's also
Speaker 1: another revelation in the file, which I'm hoping to hear
Speaker 1: more about when the coroner's report is finally released. It's
Speaker 1: a conversation that happened in the late eighties at the
Speaker 1: Jingalong community, which is about one hundred and sixty five
Speaker 1: k's east Newman. This conversation was with a vinyl floor
Speaker 1: layer whom my uncle Dez knew and had worked with.
Speaker 1: This Blokes said that he believed my uncle was murdered
Speaker 1: by a person who'd been molesting a young girl in
Speaker 1: the area and then where my uncle Dez found out
Speaker 1: and intervened, he was killed. There's also another man, Ron,
Speaker 1: who apparently had a beer with my uncle at the
Speaker 1: roadside where he was working the day before he disappeared.
Speaker 1: Police are speaking with Ron to see how my uncle
Speaker 1: was that day. Then there's the map and the sock.
Speaker 1: Remember the man that came to police about ten years
Speaker 1: after the disappearance to say he thinks he saw my
Speaker 1: uncle walking by a road on the day disappeared, and
Speaker 1: then he drew a map. Well, Michelle, my cousin, was
Speaker 1: able to see that map in the police file in person.
Speaker 3: It was interesting act to look at the map he's
Speaker 3: got from the trouble produ and it sort of was
Speaker 3: interesting that what he came up with that he felt
Speaker 3: like the search for some of the wrong play.
Speaker 1: Who Graham did or the police officer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Graham did. And he said he tried telling
Speaker 3: at the time the foreman and wasn't listened to. So
Speaker 3: that was interesting because he it had his statement there
Speaker 3: what he made.
Speaker 1: What did Craig think of that information? Did he say
Speaker 1: anything about it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he thought it was interesting. I said, well that's
Speaker 3: the he said, there is another map somewhere that he's
Speaker 3: still got his stool, as he said, he's still processing
Speaker 3: all the information and getting stuff in for himself. And
Speaker 3: it was really nice as he said, you know, actually
Speaker 3: he said, I really want to help your family. So
Speaker 3: he could see it meant what it meant to all
Speaker 3: of us. So that was really nice.
Speaker 1: I wanted to speak to Aunie Joy, who recently saw
Speaker 1: my mum for Christmas. Facebook is full of pictures with
Speaker 1: them sharing a lovely Christmas moment. They also shared another
Speaker 1: joint experience which I wanted to find out more about.
Speaker 1: How was it saying mum and she was good?
Speaker 4: I found a really good. Yeah, a bit vague at times,
Speaker 4: but you know, she knew me and no, we were
Speaker 4: personally surprised, and but more so on the Sunday that
Speaker 4: we went down to Michelle, she was more. She was
Speaker 4: sitting down to the table when I walked in, and
Speaker 4: she jumped up and she said, sure you know, and
Speaker 4: then come over and gave me a big husband and
Speaker 4: I had to sit next to her, and she kept
Speaker 4: moving a chair closer and cooser so it couldn't be
Speaker 4: moved anymore. And got the whole time with her hand
Speaker 4: on my arm or on my thigh, and then we
Speaker 4: held hands and that's how it was lovely.
Speaker 1: You've done a DNA test? Is that right?
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: How did that go?
Speaker 4: Yeah? It was okay. I had the two policemen come
Speaker 4: up here and do it. Yeah, you know, I haven't
Speaker 4: heard anything back from.
Speaker 1: Them, and I believe they did one with mum.
Speaker 4: Too, right, Yeah, I think I'm sure she had one. Yeah,
Speaker 4: But when I mentioned it the other day, she seemed
Speaker 4: a bit vague about it.
Speaker 1: And so what's the process of the DNA what do
Speaker 1: they do?
Speaker 4: I don't really know to be hondert or and I
Speaker 4: just had a swab in the mouth at all. But
Speaker 4: I don't know if they said it doesn't go any further,
Speaker 4: you know, it just it would only be for deesus
Speaker 4: case because.
Speaker 1: That body in Newman that was found. Have they used
Speaker 1: your DNA in any way to try and establish whether.
Speaker 4: They I don't know, Joseph. I haven't heard anything back
Speaker 4: from them, but obviously there couldn't have been anything drastic
Speaker 4: or they would have contacted me, no doubt.
Speaker 1: So we have a few more answers, or at least
Speaker 1: we've closed off some loose ends. But now we have
Speaker 1: the story of a man who claims DEAs might have
Speaker 1: been murdered. We have a few more contacts that might
Speaker 1: know something. We also have a coroner's report that's being
Speaker 1: worked on. In the moment we anymore about this case,
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