WEBVTT - After 40 Years, the Coroner Steps In 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:13.601 Approche production. Over the last ten episodes, we've explored what 0:00:13.801 --> 0:00:16.881 might have happened to my uncle Dez, who went missing 0:00:16.881 --> 0:00:19.881 more than forty years ago while working on a road 0:00:19.961 --> 0:00:24.001 roller just north of Broome. We have had so many 0:00:24.001 --> 0:00:27.961 people reach out with theories and contacts. The police have 0:00:28.081 --> 0:00:32.521 been helpful, my family has been supportive while excited to 0:00:32.561 --> 0:00:36.400 see what else we could learn, and we've had an 0:00:36.441 --> 0:00:40.400 excellent response from you. We have always believed that by 0:00:40.441 --> 0:00:44.240 spreading this story we might find some answers or at 0:00:44.281 --> 0:00:51.800 least inspire some action. Finally, that has happened. You'll remember 0:00:51.961 --> 0:00:55.001 when we first spoke to Jude Severright from the police, 0:00:55.161 --> 0:00:58.681 she mentioned the slow process on a coroner's inquest for 0:00:58.761 --> 0:01:03.761 des In forty years, no inquest was ever done. 0:01:03.601 --> 0:01:06.641 So I don't believe that this has gone to the coroner. 0:01:06.681 --> 0:01:10.401 So we are going through all our a number of 0:01:10.401 --> 0:01:14.041 our long term missing person's cases that haven't haven't been 0:01:14.081 --> 0:01:18.961 to the kinnery and putting those forwards to close the 0:01:19.041 --> 0:01:23.321 case from a legal sense, but still it will always 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.200 remain on our books as a case because that person 0:01:26.881 --> 0:01:27.840 has never been found. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:35.080 Well, after ten episodes and hundreds of thousands of listens, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.680 I finally got an email while in im meeting at work. 0:01:39.441 --> 0:01:42.921 It was from the Missing Person's Department in wa and 0:01:42.961 --> 0:01:48.241 it read, darj, I'm finalizing my report for the coroner 0:01:48.481 --> 0:01:52.481 in relation to long term missing person Desmond car I 0:01:52.561 --> 0:01:55.600 know that you've been in contact with Detective Sergeant sev Wright, 0:01:56.081 --> 0:01:58.041 and I was hoping you could help me with a 0:01:58.041 --> 0:02:01.761 couple of questions. I note that both as DES's parents 0:02:01.841 --> 0:02:04.961 and his sister Gwen are deceased, who would be the 0:02:05.161 --> 0:02:08.921 next of kin? I require this information for my report, 0:02:09.201 --> 0:02:11.281 as the coroner will write to the next of kin 0:02:11.401 --> 0:02:15.761 with her ruling. Also, do you know DES's mother's maiden name? 0:02:18.001 --> 0:02:22.321 I needed to call mom, firstly because they'd recently moved 0:02:22.361 --> 0:02:25.961 so I don't have her address, and secondly because I 0:02:26.001 --> 0:02:30.281 can't remember my grandma's maiden name. And finally, I wanted 0:02:30.281 --> 0:02:33.161 to break the news that she should expect a report 0:02:33.321 --> 0:02:37.520 from the coroner shortly. This is what we've all been 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:42.801 waiting for. Hello, Hey, Mom, it's me. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.561 Hey, I how are you good? 0:02:46.761 --> 0:02:46.960 Hang? 0:02:47.001 --> 0:02:51.120 I love or to turn it up? Yeah, what's going on? 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:52.601 What's going on? 0:02:52.641 --> 0:02:54.120 We're just having a little lay. 0:02:54.041 --> 0:03:00.840 Down so you'll remember that over forty years Uncle Daz. 0:03:00.881 --> 0:03:03.841 We've never actually had a coroner's inquest. You know that, 0:03:03.921 --> 0:03:05.521 don't you not? 0:03:05.761 --> 0:03:06.161 Really? 0:03:06.281 --> 0:03:10.001 Love? No, no, well, I've just had news from the 0:03:10.041 --> 0:03:14.241 police because they wanted your details. They're finally doing a 0:03:14.281 --> 0:03:19.680 coroner's report. You did all this? Yeah, well the podcast 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.401 helped do it, didn't it. Yeah that's true. Yeah, So 0:03:23.721 --> 0:03:27.000 if you're okay, I've given them your home address, which 0:03:27.881 --> 0:03:31.281 why asked for it the other day, and I've also 0:03:31.321 --> 0:03:36.921 given them your phone number. Yeah, that's fine. So what 0:03:37.041 --> 0:03:41.641 will happen now is the police will the coroner will 0:03:41.761 --> 0:03:45.161 make a finding on what they believe happened to Uncle Dez, 0:03:45.361 --> 0:03:47.601 and then they will send you that report. 0:03:48.081 --> 0:03:53.241 Oh okay, oh love me, okay, thank you that you've 0:03:53.281 --> 0:03:54.841 done a very good job. Love. 0:03:55.481 --> 0:03:57.161 So that's good news, I reckon. 0:03:57.721 --> 0:04:00.761 Oh yeah, and. 0:04:01.161 --> 0:04:02.321 Thank you to you too. 0:04:02.881 --> 0:04:06.001 You know, taken time and effort to to do it. Now. 0:04:07.241 --> 0:04:10.561 I don't know how Mum felt about this information. I 0:04:10.601 --> 0:04:13.001 also know that Mum would take a little bit of 0:04:13.041 --> 0:04:18.521 time to process the information. I'm worried for her. She's 0:04:18.561 --> 0:04:20.481 going to get a letter from the coroner with a 0:04:20.521 --> 0:04:25.041 finding about her only brother's disappearance. It feels kind of 0:04:25.041 --> 0:04:29.001 impersonal and a little bit harsh to send a letter 0:04:29.041 --> 0:04:33.361 as opposed to a phone call or a meeting. But 0:04:33.681 --> 0:04:38.281 I'm guessing it's just a process. I know this because 0:04:38.401 --> 0:04:41.520 my cousin Michelle actually emailed me a letter that was 0:04:41.561 --> 0:04:44.921 sent to the family on October four, nineteen seventy nine, 0:04:45.481 --> 0:04:48.320 after they inquired about a possible sighting. 0:04:49.521 --> 0:04:53.361 Dear Madam, in reply to your letter dated twenty fifth 0:04:53.401 --> 0:04:57.880 of September nineteen seventy nine, concerning information about your brother 0:04:58.041 --> 0:05:01.681 Desmond Carr, I wish to advise that, unfortunately we are 0:05:01.801 --> 0:05:07.320 unable to forward official departmental documents. However, the following information 0:05:07.521 --> 0:05:11.801 may be of some assistance to your inquiry. A telex 0:05:11.801 --> 0:05:14.760 message was received from Broom Police on the twenty first 0:05:14.801 --> 0:05:19.001 of September nineteen seventy nine, stating that a person who 0:05:19.081 --> 0:05:22.440 might be Desmond Karr was believed to be cited at 0:05:22.561 --> 0:05:26.841 one arm Point, an Aboriginal settlement two hundred kilometers north 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:31.640 of Broom. However, subsequent inquiries by Broom Police who have 0:05:31.761 --> 0:05:34.961 visited the settlement found the report to be incorrect, and 0:05:35.001 --> 0:05:36.960 the person's residing there stated. 0:05:36.761 --> 0:05:39.601 As I said earlier, it's kind of impersonal, but with 0:05:39.681 --> 0:05:43.080 over two thousand long term missing persons and only a 0:05:43.121 --> 0:05:47.121 handful of missing persons specialists in WA. I guess it 0:05:47.201 --> 0:05:51.121 is just a process. Either way, I know it will 0:05:51.121 --> 0:05:58.640 help our family find some closure. Here's the questions we 0:05:58.761 --> 0:06:01.400 need to know about the report. Will it have a 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.401 finding on the body that was found in Newman and 0:06:04.481 --> 0:06:08.321 once all eliminate that as a possible connection to Dez. 0:06:09.721 --> 0:06:13.121 Will it confirm Peter's sighting of Dez the weekend after 0:06:13.241 --> 0:06:16.241 he was reported missing or will this also not be 0:06:16.361 --> 0:06:20.601 part of the coroner's report? And also, what do the 0:06:20.641 --> 0:06:26.041 police think happened to my uncle? This is not the 0:06:26.081 --> 0:06:29.720 only coronial inquest on my mind. You may have heard 0:06:29.841 --> 0:06:33.441 that we released a new podcast which chronicles the disappearance 0:06:33.681 --> 0:06:36.401 of a young man in New South Wales only three 0:06:36.481 --> 0:06:41.441 years ago. His name was Zach Barnes, and his mum, Karen, 0:06:41.841 --> 0:06:46.161 is also desperate to ensure her coronial inquest offers up 0:06:46.201 --> 0:06:46.801 some answers. 0:06:47.721 --> 0:06:51.080 Where my understanding is at this point is we're going 0:06:51.121 --> 0:06:54.520 to request a coronial inquest. There's no guarantee that will 0:06:54.521 --> 0:06:58.721 be granted one, so we could pushing for all of 0:06:58.761 --> 0:07:02.320 this and the coroner has the power to say we 0:07:02.361 --> 0:07:05.841 don't think it warrants one and we'll be going to 0:07:05.841 --> 0:07:09.681 the High Court to demand one. Hopefully that won't happen. 0:07:09.721 --> 0:07:12.241 I think we've got enough exposure that the coroner might 0:07:12.281 --> 0:07:14.281 say we need to knit this in the butt sort 0:07:14.281 --> 0:07:14.521 of thing. 0:07:15.201 --> 0:07:18.881 That podcast is called What Happened to Zack and it's 0:07:18.921 --> 0:07:23.601 available now wherever you're listening to this podcast. I thought 0:07:23.641 --> 0:07:26.441 I would try Detective Jude sev Wright to see if 0:07:26.481 --> 0:07:29.801 she found any answers before mum receives the report in 0:07:29.841 --> 0:07:33.521 the mail. If I could give Mum and the family 0:07:34.041 --> 0:07:36.600 a bit of a heads up before she receives the letter, 0:07:37.241 --> 0:07:38.921 that feels like the right thing to do. 0:07:42.401 --> 0:07:45.201 Good afterday missing Persons, Judu right speaking Hello. 0:07:45.001 --> 0:07:46.601 Jude, it's Jay walkin and how are you going? 0:07:46.681 --> 0:07:46.921 Hey? 0:07:46.921 --> 0:07:49.281 Good and good sayings? How things with you? 0:07:49.721 --> 0:07:52.841 Well? Really good? After hearing from your one of your 0:07:52.921 --> 0:07:57.681 people that the coroner's report is heading our way shortly, I. 0:07:57.601 --> 0:07:59.881 Guess yep, it's off there today. 0:08:00.521 --> 0:08:03.561 So Jude tell me the process again. Remind me what 0:08:03.601 --> 0:08:05.481 the process was for a coroner report. 0:08:05.841 --> 0:08:08.721 Well, the police files been examined and the information that 0:08:08.801 --> 0:08:13.641 held within the file has resulted in a report to 0:08:13.681 --> 0:08:18.161 the coroner where the coroner will make a determination in 0:08:18.201 --> 0:08:22.161 relation to whether Dares is likely to be deceased or not, 0:08:23.081 --> 0:08:25.961 and also the circumstances surrounding that. 0:08:27.001 --> 0:08:29.801 And so thank you because I know this is something 0:08:29.841 --> 0:08:33.081 that we spoke about in the first ever episode of 0:08:33.121 --> 0:08:36.961 this podcast, which if I can recall, it was about 0:08:37.321 --> 0:08:39.881 back in the day. These were all paper files and 0:08:39.921 --> 0:08:41.761 you were in the process of moving all of those 0:08:41.801 --> 0:08:44.601 into a digital format, which was then obviously transferred to 0:08:44.601 --> 0:08:46.361 the coroner. Is that right? Is that what I recall? 0:08:46.641 --> 0:08:50.681 Yes, I have been transferred into more of an electronic format, 0:08:51.241 --> 0:08:54.401 and then also all of that information has been compiled 0:08:54.441 --> 0:08:55.961 and forward onto the coroner. 0:08:56.401 --> 0:08:58.161 So there's a couple of questions that you may or 0:08:58.201 --> 0:09:00.121 may not be able to answer, but one of them 0:09:00.361 --> 0:09:02.561 I know the families interested in is that body and 0:09:02.641 --> 0:09:04.921 Newman would that form part of the report. 0:09:04.641 --> 0:09:06.961 To the in relation to all of these long term 0:09:06.961 --> 0:09:10.801 missing persons and they'll unidentified human remains in the process 0:09:10.841 --> 0:09:18.561 of reconciling those two to ensure that we can hopefully 0:09:19.721 --> 0:09:26.161 identify all our unidentified human remains. So that's a process 0:09:26.201 --> 0:09:32.281 that's in consultation with ourselves, obviously the coroner and the 0:09:32.321 --> 0:09:39.081 state mortuary. So all working together to hopefully identify these 0:09:39.081 --> 0:09:43.561 outstanding remains and maybe bring some closure to family. 0:09:44.321 --> 0:09:46.961 And I guess the only other question that was sort 0:09:47.001 --> 0:09:49.601 of outstanding was whether there would need to be a 0:09:49.681 --> 0:09:51.881 DNA sample, But I guess you can't know that until 0:09:51.921 --> 0:09:54.041 you understand who the remains were. 0:09:54.361 --> 0:09:57.081 Yes, that's right. So we'll look at all the circumstances 0:09:57.081 --> 0:10:00.841 surrounding the remains that have been found in the different cases, 0:10:01.641 --> 0:10:05.041 and if we believe that the DNA sample front family 0:10:05.521 --> 0:10:08.361 may help the case, then we will try and source 0:10:08.361 --> 0:10:09.681 he samples. 0:10:10.841 --> 0:10:15.281 You may recall Kylie Ann Connolly, Peter Connolly's daughter, who's 0:10:15.281 --> 0:10:19.081 offered to help. She had created a poster which is 0:10:19.161 --> 0:10:23.481 placing up around noticeboards in Derby and Broom. This might 0:10:23.561 --> 0:10:26.841 feel a little archaic, but in a town like Broom, 0:10:27.201 --> 0:10:29.681 where people who were growing up in nineteen seventy nine 0:10:30.081 --> 0:10:32.921 are now much older and might not know what a 0:10:32.961 --> 0:10:37.881 podcast is, it might help. Kylie Ann and her dad Peter, 0:10:38.761 --> 0:10:41.921 also offered to check on the memorial cross that was 0:10:41.961 --> 0:10:45.881 placed by the road about a year after DES's disappearance. 0:10:46.761 --> 0:10:53.801 They did, and unfortunately this cross is no longer there. Finally, 0:10:54.521 --> 0:10:58.161 Kylie Anne put us in contact with John Gray, who 0:10:58.241 --> 0:11:01.761 was working with des at Thango at the time of 0:11:01.801 --> 0:11:04.761 his disappearance. Could he have sancers? 0:11:08.761 --> 0:11:12.081 This is John Gray a message for Latrecia or myself. 0:11:12.321 --> 0:11:16.641 So we left the message for John and we'll leave 0:11:16.641 --> 0:11:20.721 our chat with John to the next episode. In the meantime, 0:11:21.361 --> 0:11:24.481 our next step is to find out what the coroner's 0:11:24.481 --> 0:11:29.321 report says when it officially lands in Mum's letterbox. It's 0:11:29.321 --> 0:11:32.921 a painful way, but no more painful for my mum 0:11:32.921 --> 0:11:35.761 and family than the last forty years of not knowing. 0:11:37.481 --> 0:11:39.481 It's been over a year since I released the last 0:11:39.521 --> 0:11:42.081 episode of this podcast, and so much has happened in 0:11:42.121 --> 0:11:48.001 our world. Although the world's moving fast, in the world 0:11:48.081 --> 0:11:50.961 of my missing uncle Daz, the world has not moved 0:11:50.961 --> 0:11:54.721 as quick. You might recall in the last few episodes 0:11:55.161 --> 0:11:58.921 that a coroner's report had begun into the disappearance of 0:11:58.921 --> 0:12:03.561 my uncle. There was also DNA being taken by police 0:12:03.681 --> 0:12:07.401 for my mum and my Auntie Joy. This was to 0:12:07.441 --> 0:12:10.761 have a familiar DNA with the body that was found 0:12:10.801 --> 0:12:14.561 in human Mum's dementia has progressed and although her long 0:12:14.681 --> 0:12:18.201 term memory is strong, a short term memory is not 0:12:18.361 --> 0:12:21.601 very good. Over the past twelve months. I've been in 0:12:21.641 --> 0:12:25.721 regular contact with my cousin Michelle, whose mum Gwen, led 0:12:25.721 --> 0:12:29.161 the search for our missing uncle before she passed in 0:12:29.281 --> 0:12:33.401 July twenty twenty, in the midst of COVID nineteen. Michelle 0:12:33.441 --> 0:12:35.881 called me to update on some information. 0:12:36.361 --> 0:12:37.961 Hi, Hija Michelle, How are you? 0:12:38.041 --> 0:12:39.001 Oh, Hi Michelle, how are you? 0:12:39.841 --> 0:12:40.041 Yeah? 0:12:40.081 --> 0:12:43.961 Not too bad, not too bad. Just bringing to update 0:12:44.081 --> 0:12:48.561 you on some information. Last week, any joy, if one 0:12:48.681 --> 0:12:50.841 enjoy was listening to the radio and you heard something 0:12:51.441 --> 0:12:56.041 mentioned about an inquest missing persons Desmond car and she 0:12:56.201 --> 0:12:58.041 only caught the end of it. Was on the ABC 0:12:58.521 --> 0:13:02.441 news on the radio. So she was bit rattled by 0:13:02.521 --> 0:13:04.601 it and thought what's going on? So she rang me 0:13:04.641 --> 0:13:07.281 and told me about it. I tried to find the 0:13:07.281 --> 0:13:10.121 broadcast and re listen, but I couldn't find it, OK, 0:13:10.281 --> 0:13:12.081 And I listened to the next one news. There was 0:13:12.121 --> 0:13:12.801 nothing on there. 0:13:13.081 --> 0:13:15.561 I was lucky enough to do some digging and have 0:13:15.641 --> 0:13:18.001 a few contacts at the ABC, so I was able 0:13:18.041 --> 0:13:21.241 to track down that news report on the local ABC 0:13:21.401 --> 0:13:24.641 station that my Auntie Joy was listening to. Police have 0:13:24.721 --> 0:13:27.001 asked the state coroner to review the cases of two 0:13:27.041 --> 0:13:30.161 missing men and the Kimberley. Desmond Carr was last seen 0:13:30.201 --> 0:13:33.241 by his main Roads coworkers in August nineteen seventy four 0:13:33.521 --> 0:13:35.641 when they dropped him at a job south of Broom. 0:13:35.961 --> 0:13:38.361 When they came back, his steamroller was still running, but 0:13:38.401 --> 0:13:40.481 there was no trace of the thirty eight year old 0:13:40.801 --> 0:13:43.921 Rollie Nixon went missing from Fitzroy Crossing in twenty eighteen. 0:13:44.001 --> 0:13:47.361 It's pretty amazing that at the exact moment my Auntie 0:13:47.401 --> 0:13:50.761 Joy was listening to the radio, she thought she overheard 0:13:50.801 --> 0:13:55.321 something about her missing brother. Now you might be thinking 0:13:55.521 --> 0:13:58.681 how terrible that DES's sister heard about the coroner's report 0:13:59.001 --> 0:14:02.241 on the radio and not from police, But my cousin 0:14:02.281 --> 0:14:06.041 Michelle explained why that was the case. She ran police 0:14:06.081 --> 0:14:07.601 to inquire about the radio. 0:14:07.361 --> 0:14:10.481 News report, decided to give a call to the coroner's 0:14:10.521 --> 0:14:17.681 office in first and got put through absolutely lovely, lovely people, 0:14:17.801 --> 0:14:21.121 very very helpful. So it got put through to A Lyell, 0:14:21.641 --> 0:14:25.721 who's the nact. He's the police sergeant there, and he 0:14:25.761 --> 0:14:29.201 also said there was an officer, Craig Robinson's that would 0:14:29.241 --> 0:14:34.241 also be dealing with the case. So Craig gave me 0:14:34.281 --> 0:14:39.881 a fullback, really lovely, lovely chap and I told him 0:14:39.881 --> 0:14:41.641 who I was, and then he just sort of said, 0:14:41.801 --> 0:14:44.881 I'm so glad you called that they didn't have any 0:14:45.601 --> 0:14:48.201 record of the downy person. They had was any shell 0:14:48.481 --> 0:14:52.561 walkden on as far as any sort of contact on 0:14:53.281 --> 0:14:56.481 his desk. Bearing in mind he said, this is all 0:14:56.601 --> 0:14:58.921 just landed on his desk, but he's quite new to 0:14:58.961 --> 0:15:03.521 it all, so he sort of ran through a few 0:15:03.521 --> 0:15:06.121 things to him. I got down a whole heap of 0:15:06.561 --> 0:15:10.601 information just stop points on any injuries and that sends 0:15:10.601 --> 0:15:13.961 it off to him, and he invited me in to 0:15:14.001 --> 0:15:16.361 come in and have a chat. So I sent a 0:15:16.361 --> 0:15:19.681 couple of hours in there this morning having a talk 0:15:19.761 --> 0:15:28.321 to him. Very very helpful, very open. He's been dealing 0:15:28.361 --> 0:15:32.001 with a few of the missing persons long term cases. 0:15:34.081 --> 0:15:37.961 It felt very comfortable sitting there, which was nice. Wow, 0:15:38.001 --> 0:15:41.521 And wasn't wasn't rushed. He just handed me the file 0:15:41.801 --> 0:15:45.201 and just said go through it, explained a few things 0:15:45.241 --> 0:15:48.321 in it, and just said let me know what you think. 0:15:48.361 --> 0:15:52.721 Anything you can add. He didn't have your contact details, 0:15:52.721 --> 0:15:54.761 he had I had given him the heads up and 0:15:54.801 --> 0:15:58.841 he did listen to the podcast, so he had listened 0:15:58.881 --> 0:16:01.921 to the podcast and he just thought it was great. 0:16:02.001 --> 0:16:04.921 But it's so good to have this avenue as well 0:16:05.161 --> 0:16:05.881 for information. 0:16:07.321 --> 0:16:10.361 So we finally have a police officer who's working with 0:16:10.401 --> 0:16:13.841 the state carner to prepare a report so that they 0:16:13.881 --> 0:16:17.601 can establish what happened to my uncle. Michelle's more than 0:16:17.641 --> 0:16:20.881 happy with how her time went with Senior Constable robertson. 0:16:21.201 --> 0:16:24.521 Where they're at. They're still probably hasn't got to the 0:16:24.561 --> 0:16:29.001 inquest stage apparently, but it's landed on them to be 0:16:29.041 --> 0:16:34.361 going through. It still sounded like it could be a 0:16:34.401 --> 0:16:39.441 long way off. There was also talk of that body 0:16:39.481 --> 0:16:44.001 that they found in Newman. I questioned that, and I 0:16:44.321 --> 0:16:48.401 also brought up about my concerns about it. That's probably 0:16:48.721 --> 0:16:51.281 doing some DNA testing on either an Enjoy or any show. 0:16:52.681 --> 0:16:56.201 I sort of feel like that's something we should I 0:16:56.201 --> 0:16:58.641 would feel more comfortable with sitting there ready to go, 0:16:59.081 --> 0:17:01.641 if not for an hour for later on, Michelle gave. 0:17:01.521 --> 0:17:04.600 Me the police officer's details, so I emailed him in 0:17:04.681 --> 0:17:06.321 hope to try and get some time with him to 0:17:06.361 --> 0:17:09.281 find out the progress of my uncle's case and to 0:17:09.281 --> 0:17:11.521 see if there was anything else he could update me on. 0:17:12.281 --> 0:17:14.840 Of course, I also wanted to record this update to 0:17:14.921 --> 0:17:17.761 use it on the podcast, but as Craig explained in 0:17:17.801 --> 0:17:21.281 his email return, he's not just a police officer, He's 0:17:21.321 --> 0:17:23.960 an officer of the court and that might undermine the 0:17:24.001 --> 0:17:27.600 authority of the coroner. We agreed to have a chat 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:33.200 on the phone with the recording devices switched off. My 0:17:33.321 --> 0:17:36.561 chat with Officer Robinson went well. He was friendly and 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:41.001 helpful and explain where he was at with my uncle's file. 0:17:42.001 --> 0:17:44.561 Michelle was also able to give me an update on 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.561 how her initial chat with Officer Robinson went. 0:17:49.321 --> 0:17:51.801 It was it was very positive today. I just sort 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:55.761 of and as I tried to explain to him, we're 0:17:55.801 --> 0:17:58.521 not after blame. He We're not after things weren't done right. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.720 I mean, forty years ago things were done differently to now. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:07.160 But we are hoping for some cloth and some information. 0:18:08.801 --> 0:18:12.801 We're able to hisoryesod in any broken bones that Uncle 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:17.080 Dares had had and stuff, which was great that thankfully 0:18:17.120 --> 0:18:20.961 Grandma you've kept She kept all the records of everything, 0:18:21.561 --> 0:18:23.561 so we were able to concern that he had had 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:28.001 a broken nose play in his cheek. He also just 0:18:28.120 --> 0:18:32.121 dealt with when uncle isn't missing the Pearl diver, okay, 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.240 missing him. He's actually just dealt with that case, so 0:18:35.321 --> 0:18:39.600 he knows how things were in Broom. There seemed to 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.561 be a lot of detailed information, so hopefully if you 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.120 get over here anytime, you would be more than welcome 0:18:47.201 --> 0:18:49.041 to going there to have a look through the folder. 0:18:49.801 --> 0:18:52.681 COVID nineteen has put a stop to me going anywhere 0:18:52.761 --> 0:18:56.440 near wa to see those files or my parents and 0:18:56.481 --> 0:18:59.161 my brothers, but there were a few things that were 0:18:59.201 --> 0:19:02.960 interesting to me. One of those interesting points was the 0:19:02.961 --> 0:19:06.001 fact that my uncle had a broken nye and a 0:19:06.041 --> 0:19:09.281 metal plate in his head, so if there were any 0:19:09.321 --> 0:19:13.281 bones found like the ones in Newman, then it would 0:19:13.321 --> 0:19:16.440 be an easy enough task to discount them if the 0:19:16.481 --> 0:19:20.961 two things didn't match up. The senior Constable also investigated 0:19:21.001 --> 0:19:24.281 the missing Pearl diver in Broom a few days after 0:19:24.360 --> 0:19:28.041 my uncle disappeared, so he had a pretty good knowledge 0:19:28.041 --> 0:19:30.761 of the area and the feeling of the town and 0:19:30.801 --> 0:19:34.640 the seventies, and also how the search went for both 0:19:34.681 --> 0:19:35.521 of those missing men. 0:19:36.120 --> 0:19:38.720 I did walk out of there going you know, that 0:19:38.961 --> 0:19:41.161 was oneerful and I'd put everything, you know, like I've 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:46.281 screenshot a few of the conversations and people, and I 0:19:46.321 --> 0:19:49.961 did let Peter Connelly and Brian Lewis know update them 0:19:50.120 --> 0:19:54.121 on where we're at and just saying how was Peter's Yeah, 0:19:54.120 --> 0:19:56.801 he's good, he's doing okay, and he just thanked me 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:00.000 for letting them know and when there is an inquest, 0:20:00.001 --> 0:20:01.281 they'd like to be there. 0:20:04.001 --> 0:20:04.241 Yeah. 0:20:04.281 --> 0:20:08.521 It definitely walked out of there after talking to Craig 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.840 feeling a lot happier. That feels like something could be 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.440 getting done and just just being investigated. But there was 0:20:15.441 --> 0:20:18.281 a little bit of detailed information so you can see 0:20:18.681 --> 0:20:21.921 where the file had been accessed, so it has been ongoing. 0:20:22.001 --> 0:20:24.160 So that was good to see that it just wasn't 0:20:24.201 --> 0:20:29.161 just put there sort of thing, so that was good 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.600 that it wasn't a lot. But we're just going to 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.920 try and now find a photo of They wanted a 0:20:33.961 --> 0:20:37.640 photo of Uncle das if we could get a smiling photo, 0:20:38.281 --> 0:20:41.401 so Anny Joy was going to look what she had 0:20:41.481 --> 0:20:43.681 with most of ours. He wasn't smiling. 0:20:43.721 --> 0:20:47.921 But why would they want a smiling photo, I don't know. 0:20:48.281 --> 0:20:52.160 Maybe for the teeth, maybe because it was confirmed with 0:20:53.001 --> 0:20:55.920 the bottom of his bottom lower teeth and everything, so 0:20:56.001 --> 0:20:58.681 that was all I sort of made sure they knew 0:20:58.681 --> 0:21:01.201 that that the teeth just his adult teeth never grew. 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.080 It was he was just born with these baby teeth 0:21:04.120 --> 0:21:08.440 and they never lost yep. But yeah, so there was 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.240 and it was good that we have actual dates of 0:21:11.281 --> 0:21:14.920 when he did have the plate or something put into 0:21:15.001 --> 0:21:17.801 his cheek from a broken cheek and a broken nose. 0:21:17.961 --> 0:21:21.521 So yeah, so that was good that and he's always 0:21:21.561 --> 0:21:24.201 able to find that information as well. 0:21:25.041 --> 0:21:29.321 All of these tiny details seemed important. Photographs of his smile, 0:21:29.961 --> 0:21:33.520 knowing if he had a broken bone people he knew 0:21:34.360 --> 0:21:36.840 it would seem the police are leaving no stone unturned 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.721 to help find an answer, which I guess you would expect, 0:21:39.801 --> 0:21:43.200 but forty years on, it's still refreshing to hear someone 0:21:43.281 --> 0:21:46.361 was as interested as we are in fining some closure. 0:21:47.761 --> 0:21:50.160 There were also a few new things that Michelle found 0:21:50.321 --> 0:21:51.801 while looking through the police file. 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.521 He sat there, he went through everything. I hadn't everything 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.761 any photos and screenshots like we've sent each other. I 0:21:58.801 --> 0:22:01.561 put on a USB and just said, look, have this. 0:22:02.801 --> 0:22:05.680 There's some screenshots of some letters we've received. I also 0:22:05.761 --> 0:22:10.801 came across a meta from Tony Erny with the Tony 0:22:11.001 --> 0:22:14.080 Soon of good friends and uncle I think Uncle Dares 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.240 lived with them up there, and suddenly enough on one 0:22:17.281 --> 0:22:19.401 of the records I did see it had to down 0:22:19.441 --> 0:22:22.041 as proposed girlfriend O and all that that was actually 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:25.760 Tony girlfriend, so were able to do that. 0:22:25.961 --> 0:22:29.920 But you might remember in an earlier episode that my 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:34.281 uncle apparently didn't have a girlfriend, so it's unlikely he'd 0:22:34.360 --> 0:22:38.120 proposed to someone. As Michelle said, it's more likely the 0:22:38.120 --> 0:22:41.761 information was taken down wrong at the time. There's also 0:22:41.801 --> 0:22:44.561 another revelation in the file, which I'm hoping to hear 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:48.360 more about when the coroner's report is finally released. It's 0:22:48.360 --> 0:22:51.360 a conversation that happened in the late eighties at the 0:22:51.441 --> 0:22:54.161 Jingalong community, which is about one hundred and sixty five 0:22:54.241 --> 0:23:00.561 k's east Newman. This conversation was with a vinyl floor 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.161 layer whom my uncle Dez knew and had worked with. 0:23:04.481 --> 0:23:07.641 This Blokes said that he believed my uncle was murdered 0:23:08.321 --> 0:23:10.960 by a person who'd been molesting a young girl in 0:23:11.001 --> 0:23:13.960 the area and then where my uncle Dez found out 0:23:14.281 --> 0:23:20.761 and intervened, he was killed. There's also another man, Ron, 0:23:21.281 --> 0:23:23.720 who apparently had a beer with my uncle at the 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:27.601 roadside where he was working the day before he disappeared. 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:31.160 Police are speaking with Ron to see how my uncle 0:23:31.360 --> 0:23:34.840 was that day. Then there's the map and the sock. 0:23:35.801 --> 0:23:39.001 Remember the man that came to police about ten years 0:23:39.001 --> 0:23:41.801 after the disappearance to say he thinks he saw my 0:23:41.961 --> 0:23:45.561 uncle walking by a road on the day disappeared, and 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:49.041 then he drew a map. Well, Michelle, my cousin, was 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.160 able to see that map in the police file in person. 0:23:54.001 --> 0:23:56.961 It was interesting act to look at the map he's 0:23:56.961 --> 0:24:01.400 got from the trouble produ and it sort of was 0:24:01.481 --> 0:24:03.840 interesting that what he came up with that he felt 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:05.321 like the search for some of the wrong play. 0:24:07.201 --> 0:24:08.880 Who Graham did or the police officer. 0:24:09.041 --> 0:24:12.640