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Speaker 1: I get a team. Welcome to another installment in the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Craig Anthony Happer, Luke. What's your middle name? Mate? What's

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Speaker 1: your middle name?

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Speaker 2: William Luke, William.

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Speaker 1: Reynolds, Craig, Anthony Harp of the You Project. No, Tiffany

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Speaker 1: and Cook, just us two alpha males. And it's not

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Speaker 1: often I feel like a beta male or the lower,

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Speaker 1: the much lower primate. But today I feel like that

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Speaker 1: because he's all fucking man. Thanks for coming on the show, mate.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: No, thanks for having me on, Craigs.

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Speaker 3: It's really good to sort of e meet you, I guess,

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Speaker 3: and have a bit of a chat Andy, and I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, now the way that we met is basically through

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Speaker 1: social media, which is not uncommon these days. But you

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Speaker 1: follow me, I follow you. You have a look at

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Speaker 1: my stuff. I have a look at your stuff, and

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Speaker 1: I went bibby bobbedy boo. I often jump in profiles

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Speaker 1: and have a look at who's commenting or liking or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and I had a look at yours. I went, he's

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Speaker 1: an interesting cat. So can you just rather than me

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Speaker 1: read something that's going to bore people, just give my audience.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of about ninety countries too, so a lot

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Speaker 1: of mostly Australia, but also quite a lot of international

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Speaker 1: listeners as well. So give us a snapshot of what

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Speaker 1: you do and who you are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, everybody, I'm good to be on here. I'm

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Speaker 3: with Reynolds, Australian, thirty nine years old. I'm a professional

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Speaker 3: strongman competitor, professional armlifter, professional highland games athlete. I'm also

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Speaker 3: an actor and I was a coach. I don't do

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Speaker 3: much coaching anymore in the strength side of things, and

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Speaker 3: I also have a regular day job as well on

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Speaker 3: top of all of that. So I've done a favorite

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Speaker 3: of media stuff over the years as well, a lot

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Speaker 3: of commentary, life commentary, of strong man events, MC work.

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Speaker 3: I quite enjoy the media side now now that I'm

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Speaker 3: sort of late in my career. Yeah, I've been in

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Speaker 3: the strong man scene for seventeen almost eighteen years now,

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Speaker 3: been all around the world with it, and yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: pretty much where I'm at.

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Speaker 1: A lot of guys, like in a lot of sports

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Speaker 1: thirty nine, you know AFL, you'd be out the gate,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of fights ten years out the gate,

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Speaker 1: but in strength events, mate, that's not always like there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of dudes give or take, who are late thirties,

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Speaker 1: early forties, and some even beyond that who have been

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Speaker 1: very very competitive at a high level well into their forties.

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Speaker 2: Right, so it's not even fifties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So now if you were

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Speaker 1: a lady, I wouldn't ask this, but fuck it, what

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Speaker 1: do you dimension? Sunshine?

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Speaker 3: What are you?

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Speaker 1: How tall are you? And what are your.

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Speaker 2: Weigh These days?

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Speaker 3: I'm in my lightweight era, I guess if you like,

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Speaker 3: because I'm doing more of the arm lifting stuff, so

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Speaker 3: it's more grip strength related. It's not so much full

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Speaker 3: blown pro strong man anymore. I don't need to be

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Speaker 3: as big, but I'm six or seven and I like

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Speaker 3: to sit around one fifty so kg or that's what's

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Speaker 3: that about? Three thirty pounds for the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah three so yeah for our American listeners, three thirty

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Speaker 1: for our British listeners, it's like twenty five stone or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So probably around late twenty nineteen, I was doing a

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Speaker 3: meeting we have to strike with strongmen where depending on

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Speaker 3: can potentially get stronger, of course with more muscle mass,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. As an ex SISE scientist, I watch you guys

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Speaker 1: do the stuff that you do, and I remember years ago, mate,

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Speaker 1: But years ago I used to watch the wide world

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Speaker 3: read Derek Boyer, those guys were early strong Men legends

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Speaker 3: Like a Giant's live event or a World's Strongest Man

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Speaker 3: you're just you know you're chasing large singles. I was

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Speaker 1: Which it's that's over six hundred pounds, right.

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Speaker 3: I've been around the sport and I've seen these guys

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Speaker 1: It is. I mean, like I think one of the like,

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Speaker 1: I'm loving this conversation and I've selfishly wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: to you just because I'm fucking you know, I'm a

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Speaker 1: geek with all this stuff. I've spent my life training athletes.

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Speaker 1: I've spent my life lifting weights. I'm not genetically gifted

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Speaker 1: like you. I'm just an old fucking idiot. But but

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Speaker 1: around it my whole life, right, But it's it's interesting

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Speaker 1: to you know. I even struggle to sometimes when I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about a concept as a podcaster, Luke, I'm always

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Speaker 1: aware of my audience and explaining not that they're my

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Speaker 1: audience are not highly intelligent. They are, but everybody knows

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Speaker 1: more or less about different topics, right, So if I'm

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Speaker 1: You can't really get that in perspective, you know.

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Speaker 3: probably beyond the reach of most people. You know, we're

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Speaker 3: the guys, it's not guarantee, so you can have equipment

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Speaker 3: the records and then they've been left for dead, and

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Speaker 3: take it further and they push push the limits. But

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Speaker 3: we've even got females in this country and around the

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Speaker 3: world that are doing over one hundred and fifty kilo stones.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the world record is held by Nicole Jenrich,

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Speaker 3: which was Austray strongest woman. She holds the world record

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Speaker 3: forratless stones at one hundred and eighty kilos or thereabouts. Now,

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Speaker 3: so we're talking numbers that guys were barely doing twenty

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Speaker 3: being lifted consistently by females.

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Speaker 2: It's just crazy. That's grown.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing good and so so many questions. All right,

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Speaker 1: so just explain to people. They people who have never

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Speaker 1: seen this, so they pick pick it up off the ground.

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Speaker 1: So the balls on the ground, everybody, or the stone,

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Speaker 1: let's just call it a ball because it's easy to

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Speaker 1: it's a fucking concrete And what's in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the heavy ones? Did you say lead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the original stones were carved from sandstone, right,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, typically, I think the attitude in strength sports

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Speaker 3: over the years has been, oh, you know, the whole joke,

435
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 3: our five repses cardioh blah blah blah.

436
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: That's all.

437
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: That's all great, that's a great joke and all that.

438
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 3: But I don't know where along the way we got

439
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 3: lost in the point where being fitter and healthier overall would.

440
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 2: Make you a worse athlete.

441
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 3: So it's sort of it's sort of got lost along

442
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Speaker 3: the way, But I think it's in to turn around

443
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 3: a little bit more these days, and because of the

444
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 3: sports have become a lot more professional, I think the

445
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 3: approaches to them have become a lot more professional. You've

446
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 3: got better coaches and better mentors involved in the sports.

447
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 3: People are actually starting to wake up and realize that

448
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 3: at least heart health and some lung capacity goes a

449
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 3: long way when it comes to well longevity in the sport,

450
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: but also your overall ability. So you're seeing big one

451
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 3: hundred and six seven, six eighty six nine athletes walking around,

452
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 3: you know, one hundred and seventy hundred and eighty, but

453
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 3: they're walking around with almost visible abs these days. They

454
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 3: are a lot leaner than some of the ones, some

455
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Speaker 3: of your athletes back in yesteryear that were at those

456
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Speaker 3: kinds of body weights. Me personally, I like to do

457
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Speaker 3: a lot of rucking. I'll take the dog out hiking

458
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Speaker 3: in the bush trails. I live in the Blue Mountains,

459
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 3: so I've access to a lot of trails. But I

460
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 3: check the dog out there, he goes for a trot,

461
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 3: and I'll put on a weight vest myself. I might

462
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Speaker 3: chuck twenty kilos on and I'll go do a few miles.

463
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 3: I'm walking a lot with the dog anyway, So none

464
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Speaker 3: of this is overly specific sort of canitioning work. But

465
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Speaker 3: then when it comes to actual strongman stuff, I'll do

466
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 3: a lot of sled work because the capacity required for

467
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 3: strong men is typically sixty seconds to ninety seconds, so

468
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 3: you need to sort of have your anaerobic capacity quite

469
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: high in those.

470
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Speaker 2: Sort of ranges.

471
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Speaker 3: But yeah, anybody watching this is in strong man and

472
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Speaker 3: isn't doing some sort of general conditioning like some GPP

473
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: some walking, some hiking, things like that. You need to

474
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 3: get your head red, because it's silly to think that

475
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Speaker 3: that general health benefits wouldn't make you a better athlete.

476
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Speaker 1: I remember not too long ago watching I don't know

477
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Speaker 1: if this is a strong man event specifically, or it

478
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 1: was just an event where these dudes would deadlift. I

479
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: think you'll correct me, but it seems like they started

480
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Speaker 1: at one fifty, then when one seven or eighty, then

481
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Speaker 1: two hundred, and then to twenty two forty, and they

482
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Speaker 1: basically they obviously deadlift weight, then jog fucking three steps

483
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Speaker 1: to the next way.

484
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: And deadlift ladder almost yeah, yeah, yeah, correct, absolutely, And

485
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 3: it was like a couple of the lads by the

486
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Speaker 3: time they got to the heaviest weight.

487
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Speaker 1: I think it was more they were just aerobically fucked

488
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: than strength, you know. I mean, I'm sure it was both.

489
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Speaker 1: But their heart rate, I mean I was looking at

490
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Speaker 1: one dude. If his heart rate wasn't two hundred, I

491
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Speaker 1: don't know anything.

492
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and I mean it depends on their strength

493
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Speaker 3: level as well, because they participating in a say a

494
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 3: five bar deadlift ladder, and you get into the final

495
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: one and you're talking your fifth rep and it's you know,

496
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 3: maybe your absolute max and you've been asked to do

497
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: that as your fifth rep. Your blood pressure and your

498
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 3: heart rate's going to be skyrocketed anyway because you've been

499
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 3: working in such high percentages back to back to back

500
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Speaker 3: within say a sixty to ninety second time limit.

501
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 2: The other part of being well.

502
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 3: Conditioned for strength sports is that we're not like say

503
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Speaker 3: a thrower or something, where you do six throwers and

504
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: the days over in half an hour.

505
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Speaker 2: A strong man event.

506
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: Like competition may be over multiple days or at maybe

507
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: eight to ten events in one day, so everybody's a

508
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 3: world champion in event.

509
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: One and two.

510
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: So you know, it doesn't matter how well you are

511
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: a those it's who's still conditioned enough to perform well

512
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 3: at the end of the day when you've done six, seven,

513
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: eight events and a lot of that being able to

514
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 3: come up and down between events, you know, across an

515
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: eight hour day is a huge thing, and conditioning plays

516
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 3: a huge part in that.

517
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Speaker 1: So it's so interesting because it's it's like when I

518
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought about that, but doing multiple events,

519
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like the strong man to cathlon

520
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: or heptathlon's.

521
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,479
Speaker 3: Read there was a decathlon of strength before strong Man,

522
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 3: and I think it's a pretty good way to put it.

523
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Speaker 1: One hundred and I would imagine, like when I think

524
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: from science point of view, I think about the training,

525
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: the specificity of the base, training, nutrition, recovery, rehab, sleep supplements,

526
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: fucking even managing your mind. Like I would think, if

527
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: you get everything physiologically right, sleep, training, recovery, food, but

528
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: you can't perform under pressure mentally and emotionally, you lose

529
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: your shit.

530
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

531
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Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many variables that impact performance

532
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: in every sport, but I would think that that is

533
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: definitely a sport where if you get one thing significantly wrong,

534
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: you might be fucked.

535
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, big time.

536
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: And like I said before, pretty much everyone's strong, Like

537
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 3: everyone's turning up strong and you see it on social

538
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 3: media a lot. People are turning out records and prs

539
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: and all kinds of things in the gym all the time.

540
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 3: But it matters who can actually bring it to the day.

541
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: And it's hard for everybody traveling and competing internationally. But

542
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 3: once you're on an international level, like traveling across ten

543
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: time zones, and this gase for anybody in any sport

544
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 3: really traveling across say ten time zones, and then us

545
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 3: into different food, different times, different everything, and then having

546
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: to perform against hometown athletes. Yeah, it's very hard. So

547
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: that becomes comes down to how well you sort of

548
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: prepare and can manage that. But it also is a

549
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: big part of how you can cope with that mentally,

550
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: especially if things do start to go wrong. But yeah,

551
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: I've seen people crumble often in long events, over long

552
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 3: days because they mentally just don't have it, and it's

553
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: probably something that everybody needs to work on.

554
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: Do you think that. I mean, you're not a psychologist,

555
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: but you're an elite athlete and you do a lot

556
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: of hard, hard shit voluntarily, so we are questioning your

557
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: mental state right now. But anyway, I think everybody would

558
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: choosing to do that shit. What's wrong with him? Everyone?

559
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: But do you think like it's like I've worked with

560
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: I've worked in and around the elite sport. I'm the

561
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: least a lad athlete on the planet, but I've worked

562
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: in and around a lot of elite athletes and trained

563
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: olympians and work with you know, and blah blah blahlah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

564
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: and I see you know, lots of athletically gifted, physiologically

565
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: genetically gifted people obviously because they're doing what they're doing.

566
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: But it's like sometimes for many people it is that

567
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: thing where they You know, when you think about an

568
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: AFL player who's fucking fifteen meters in front of goal

569
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: and he misses the whole fucking goals which are six

570
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: meters wide. Well and he's straight in front, you go, well,

571
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: that's not about biology or genetics or fucking training.

572
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: Or the kick he's done ten million times before.

573
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: So how much do you reckon resilience and that ability

574
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: to be calm in the chaos? How much do you

575
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: think that is about genetics? How much do you think

576
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: is about just time under tension, so to speak, just

577
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: fucking repetition and showing up and doing it. And how

578
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: much of it like so one genetics too, just doing

579
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: it a lot or three? You know, perhaps fuck, I

580
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: don't know. Mental training.

581
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, that's that's a great question. Actually, look genetically,

582
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think environmentally probably probably is more important.

583
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: I think exposure to hardship creates toughness over time, the

584
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: capacity to draw back on experiences where like, fuck, I've

585
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: been in this ship before. I've been in harder situations

586
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: than this, or equally as hard situations, and I survived it,

587
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: I performed in it. I can draw down on that

588
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: and do it over again. But yeah, look, I've seen

589
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: some pretty incredible stuff in strong men's sports where people

590
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: have the capacity to put themselves through ridiculous pain, break themselves,

591
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: have horrendous injuries like you know, maybe an achilles rupture

592
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: and still pull a truck and things like that. So

593
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: resilience is everything, and I think the biggest thing is

594
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: choosing to do hard things and choosing to do them

595
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: often just creates a different kind of mindset and understanding

596
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: that it's what you're going to need. And if you

597
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: can draw down on that during the heat of competition

598
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: in front of people, in front of CREATI in front

599
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: of television, when everybody's watching, I think you'll be successful

600
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: over even people who may be way more genetically gifted,

601
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: or you know, their training may have even been going better.

602
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's I mean, this is not a

603
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: new kind of insight, but I think there's something to

604
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: be said that it's it's a of course, it's about

605
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, the competition and the result, but it's almost

606
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: like who you become on the journey, right. It's like,

607
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: in the middle of all that adversity and pain and

608
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: bullshit and fucking you know whatever, that chaos and mayhem,

609
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of who you're becoming. I reckon. That's the gift.

610
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: I reckon. It's great to get the accolades and the outcome,

611
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: of course, but when you do as you said, when

612
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: you consistently do hard shit, yep, when hardship shows up,

613
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: you're okay, you know, And.

614
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: That extrapolates out nicely to your life as well, because

615
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: we all do go through shit our lives and things

616
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: like that. And I think sport is a really good

617
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: thing and very important for adults, but also equally important

618
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: for children to develop that resilience to then cope with

619
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: shit when it happens in your life and be able

620
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: to deal with your emotions.

621
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: Now.

622
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: I lose my control of my emotions a lot as well,

623
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: just like every adult does. But I think the capacity

624
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: to understand that no matter what falls in your way,

625
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: you can actually survive it because you've been through some

626
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: you know, some rugged shit, whether it's psychologically or physically,

627
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: you can do it with pain. Yeah, I think it's

628
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: something that goes to transcends sport. Absolutely.

629
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I just said, I want to be around you when

630
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: you lose control of your emotions. Could you just just

631
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: fucking do that somewhere else? Tell me about how's your

632
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: body these days? So you're thirty nine, you're kind of

633
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: sliding towards the finish line, I guess of your professional

634
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: strong man's stuff. I could be wrong there, but like

635
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: you're on the home straight, how's your body?

636
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: Look?

637
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: I've been at it a long time, Like typically you

638
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 3: wouldn't see somebody like I guess. I started younger than

639
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: quite a few people. People tend to come over to

640
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: this sport in their mid twenties, late twenties.

641
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes.

642
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: I sort of entered in my early twenties, which was

643
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: young at the time. I was sort of one of

644
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: the youngest around it then. So but I've been at

645
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: it for seventeen nearly eighteen years now, so I've had

646
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: probably every injury under the sun that you can name.

647
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: And I played rugby league for ten years beforehand, and

648
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: then I also rode dirt bikes when I was young,

649
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: and I also did a little bit of MMA and

650
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: a bit of stuff like that. So I certainly had

651
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: the line's share of injuries over my life, like you know,

652
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: broken ankles, nosejaw, wrists, bone grafts, blown acls, minisculta stairs

653
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: three or four times, hamstring tears, run of the mill,

654
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: blown peck but detached both biceps like I could just go.

655
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: On and on and on.

656
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: And look, I guess when it comes back to the

657
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: resilience thing, most people would have walked away. And I've

658
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: seen more talented athletes than me over the years come

659
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: and go the second they hit a catastrophic injury, they

660
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: did walk away, which in a sport that is as

661
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: hard as what we do, that doesn't necessarily have the

662
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: financial return that you would like for such effort. I

663
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: guess people have walked away and made decisions, probably maybe

664
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: better life decisions than me around that.

665
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: But look at the moment.

666
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: Having brought my body weight down over about the last

667
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: four years, and a lot of that's been to do

668
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: with the acting side of things. I needed to look

669
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: a certain way versus necessarily be able to perform a

670
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: certain way. The grip stuff. Again, I don't need to

671
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: be as heavy, but bringing the body weight down, I

672
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: feel better these days, regardless of the conditioning I ever did.

673
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: As far as injuries.

674
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: They look, I get the odd tweak and things like that,

675
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: but I'm not trying to achieve the same numbers I

676
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: used to either, So what isn't look. I went to

677
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: the Short Classic a couple.

678
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: Of weeks ago.

679
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: I was there for the arm lifting again, but I

680
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: watched the Strongest Man on Earth competition. I was you know,

681
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: I was there with all the guys that I used

682
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: to compete against in the pro strong and scene, and

683
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 3: it kind of got me hungry. So if you look

684
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 3: on my feet, I've started long lifting again and doing

685
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: a few strong man movements again with a I don't know,

686
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: a bit of an idea reaching in the back of

687
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 3: my head that I might come back into a bit

688
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: of strong man.

689
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, look at the moment, my body feels good.

690
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess I've been at it for so

691
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 3: long I don't even know what normal is anymore.

692
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: Well, everyone who was just thinking about potentially getting involved,

693
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: they just jumped right the fuck off. So that was

694
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: the worst advertisement ever for strong Man. No, I'm I'm

695
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: fucking with you.

696
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: That was that was run away. There's other options, go

697
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: somewhere else.

698
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but think about the glory everyone that's right.

699
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: So who's the who's the goat? Like who's the goat

700
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: in strong Man? Who's the greatest of all time?

701
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: I think is that on?

702
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: That is that art for the debate.

703
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: Look, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone

704
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: who'd argue that it's that it's Drena Civicus. It's definitely

705
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: big Z from Lithuania.

706
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Now, ninety eight per cent my audience don't know. I

707
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: have never heard that name. Tell us about him.

708
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: Look Zadrena Civicus from Lithuania. He's in his mid forties now.

709
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: I had the honor of competing against him in my

710
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 3: first ever pro show at the Arnold in twenty sixteen

711
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: in Australia, which was probably one of his last pro shows.

712
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: It was always a big point of mind that I

713
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: want to do at least stand in a lineup against

714
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: that man before he retired, because he is the greatest

715
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: of my era but also the greatest of all time.

716
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: He's held you probably fifty world records. He's a four

717
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: times World Strongest Man winner, eight times Arnold Strongman winner,

718
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: countless millionaire competitions.

719
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: He basically helped drag.

720
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: The sport into the modernier Him and Murray's Pudzanovski and

721
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: a bunch of the other Europeans during the two thousands

722
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 3: dragged it into the modern era. Other guys in that

723
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: conversation Murrays Pujanowski five times world strongest Man, Brian Shaw,

724
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: you know the namesake of the shore classic that I mentioned,

725
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: Brian Shaws the four times the World's strongest Man, win

726
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: three times Arnold strong man.

727
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: See the dude from the UK? Is he the UK dude?

728
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: Or no, No, he's American Eddie. Eddie Hall's probably who

729
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, as I'm concerned.

730
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: They did. They have a fucking punch on? Was it

731
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: them two that got in the room?

732
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 3: That was That was Thor Bejonsen from Iceland. So the mountain,

733
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: the mountain out in the mountain from Game of Thrones, Look, Thor.

734
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 3: Thor is definitely there and thereabouts he's probably Look it's

735
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 3: a funny way to put it, but twenty eighteen Thor

736
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: was sublime. He won everything. He was breaking world records left,

737
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: front and center. And this is just before he then

738
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: stepped away and took a break from strong men. Did

739
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: the fight thing I'd argue that twenty eighteen Thought is

740
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: actually the strongest strong man ever, but Davicus is the

741
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: greatest strong man ever. However, Thor is still competing. He's

742
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: made his comeback sort of late last year early this year.

743
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: He's he's looking really good at the moment. If he

744
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: continues in his form, he could go down as definitely

745
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: one of the goats. He's probably in the top five

746
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: conversation anyway, Eddie Hall, as far as I'm concerned, you know,

747
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 3: and strongly and purist, he's not in the conversation at all. However,

748
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 3: he was the first to break that five hundred kilo

749
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: deadlift barrier. He did with the strongest man, so he's

750
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: definitely up there as a great and he was insanely strong,

751
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: but he's not in the in the goat conversation as

752
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: far as I'm concerned.

753
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's hands down to Durna Civicus.

754
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: For the career longevity, what he did for the sport

755
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: and continues to do for the sports. Excuse me, and

756
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: just just the records he established, yeah, just just insane.

757
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: Tell me about we're jumping all around a little bit,

758
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: but tell me mate about long term health, like I'm

759
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: not talking about gear or anything like that. I'm just

760
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: talking about the stress that you put on your body.

761
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about walking around like some of these guys

762
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: at fucking one hundred and seventy or eighty kilos, even

763
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: if you're super tall, that's a lot of weight to

764
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: carry for a long time. I would imagine a lot

765
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: of them have blood pressure issues or some would you know,

766
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: just a lot of wear and tear. And that's like,

767
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: will you get to a point where, I mean, you're

768
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: you're not out of shape anyway, Like you're one fifty

769
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: and in good shape, but like when you're done and dusted,

770
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: will you go, fuck it, I'm going to get down

771
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: to one twenty or thirty and be, you know, not

772
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: worry to just walk around at a light relative for you,

773
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: a light weight, and just focus on health.

774
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

775
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I haven't thought about retiring yet from from

776
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: full blown strong man, but yeah, it's I'm happier these

777
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: days to be fair walking around at around one fifty

778
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: that I wasn't one seventy five ish one seventy three

779
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: is like I felt horremndous. I was insanely strong, and

780
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 3: I loved competing at the top level and that.

781
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, I certainly was uncomfortable a lot of the time.

782
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: You know, guys like your Brian Shaws and your Thor Bjornson's,

783
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: they're walking around, they're six foot eight, six foot nine,

784
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: you know, six foot ten. We're walking around at two

785
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: hundred plus kilos in competition form. Like we're talking some

786
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: of the largest humans ever to walk the planet. And

787
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: like I said, walking around with blurry abs like that's

788
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 3: that is so much mass to carry on a frame

789
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: that isn't just shit mass either.

790
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

791
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 3: Look, I think the moves I will make once I'm

792
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: sort of eventually, I guess done with full blown strong man.

793
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: I'd be happy to drift down under one forty one

794
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: point thirty, be you know, lean, and probably pushed back

795
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: towards the throw inside a bit more with the Highland Games.

796
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: I don't have to be as big to do that

797
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: and stick with the grip stuff the arm lifting. I

798
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: don't need to be super huge for that. I like

799
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: being you know, strong at that, but I don't have

800
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: to be one hundred and seventy kilos for it. So yeah, yeah,

801
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: long term, absolutely, guys like Sadrena Civicis we're a good

802
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: example to others out there.

803
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: Strongmen who are watching this.

804
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: What he'd do in an off season, if he ever

805
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: got an off season, was because he used to walk

806
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: around Sodurnas is only about sixty two sixty three, but

807
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: he'd walk around in competition shape a one hundred and

808
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: eighty five kilos, a very large man. But in the

809
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: off season he'd be down around one forty one thirty five.

810
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: He'd let his body wait, come down, you know, come

811
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: off everything, and lean up and working his health for

812
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: a bit, and then blowback up when he needed to.

813
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: It's and that's you know, we're talking a guy that

814
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: was at the top level for the nearly thirty years.

815
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 3: Longevity like that comes from treating your body intelligently and

816
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: chasing it. So, yeah, I'd like to be leaner and

817
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: sort of smaller, I guess long term, because yeah.

818
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid mate and I

819
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: just like I've been training with Waites for a few years,

820
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: and I went into a big boy gym like I

821
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: was Ada, and I had no idea what I was doing.

822
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: But there was these two bullfas in there. To me,

823
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: they were they were like you. They weren't like you,

824
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: but to me, they were right, Yeah, our powerlifters, and

825
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: there was this one guy squatting and it put his

826
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: It put his put his traps and shoulders and neck

827
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: under the bar, and before he'd lift off the rack,

828
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: the other guy would hit him so fucking hard on

829
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: the shoulders like it would and he like it must

830
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: have bruised him. I mean, he hit him so hard, right,

831
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: and he was smashing the fuck out of him to

832
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: get for the other guy to get whatever adrenaline get

833
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: him in state. And you know, I've been to not many,

834
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: but a few. I've been to a million bodybuilding shows

835
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: and quite a few powerlifting e meats. But but I

836
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: would imagine there must be some kind of pre event

837
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: ritual or protocol or some like. You can't just fucking

838
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: go from lying on your back listening to en you're

839
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: in your headphones to just lifting two hundred pound rocks,

840
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: like yeah, do you have or do the athletes have

841
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: a process of getting themselves in that kind of states.

842
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: That's a great question again, Craig. It depends on the

843
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: person and the personality. So me, when you see me compete,

844
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: I'm actually in between events. I'm actually quite jovial and

845
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 3: quite relaxed, and then I guess it's an experiencing. Myself

846
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: and Jordan Stefan's who I mentioned earlier, we were both

847
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 3: always like this. It's probably an experience thing, but we

848
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 3: were very chilled. We'd be mucking around between events, having

849
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 3: a bit of a joke, taking what we were doing seriously,

850
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: but then we would be able to flip this switch.

851
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: About thirty seconds before the event came on, we were

852
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: already switched on. We knew what we were doing, we

853
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: were aware, we had all our equipment there, our warm

854
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: ups were good, but then about thirty seconds before we left,

855
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: you go bang straight into game mode and then you

856
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: do the event, apply the correct level of arousal to it,

857
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: I guess, and then once the event's done, calm back down,

858
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: switch it off, and then eat or rest because it

859
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: maybe an hour before your next event, you know, or more.

860
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: The problem is I see with a lot of people

861
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: coming into the sport is they might be very aggressive competitors,

862
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 3: which is great if that's how you lift, and I

863
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: fire up when I need to. But the problem is

864
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: I see a lot of new people come in the

865
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: head button squad racks and head button the wall and

866
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: going crazy and ape shit before they've even done anything,

867
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: and the amount of anxious energy they burn by staying

868
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 3: up in this insanely heightened arousal level, smelling salts and

869
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: pre workouts and caffeine enough to kill a fucking rhino

870
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: and all this shit. And then they get to the

871
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 3: event itself and they're exhausted from all this extracurricular shit

872
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: they've done before they even lift a thing, and they

873
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: either perform poorly and then they get more frustrated, so

874
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 3: they try to get more angry, or they perform okay

875
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 3: in the first couple of events, but then again they

876
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: don't come back down. Which is what a good game

877
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: day coach is good for in a strength sport is

878
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: they have the capacity to bring their athlete up when

879
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: they need to and then let them come back down

880
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: between events, keep them mildly around. But you've got to have,

881
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 3: you know, come down to the point where you can

882
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: can come back up, but where you're not just wasting

883
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: energy between events. So yeah, there are there are a

884
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: lot of rituals that people will go through a lot

885
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: a lot of people obviously like the zone out, chuck

886
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 3: the music in the years and things like that. I'm

887
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: usually fairly sort of. I don't really do the music thing.

888
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: I just chill, I observe what's going on. I pay attention,

889
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 3: but I'm usually pretty calm as a competitor, and then

890
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: and then switch it.

891
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: On when I need to.

892
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: I think that's an important skill set, is the capacity

893
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: to turn it up when you need it, but turn

894
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: it off when you don't.

895
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: So yeahah, do you know the story about my training

896
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: partner not going. So my training partner's name is Mark Lampard.

897
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: Shout out to him, who I lovingly refer to as

898
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: the Crab because when he was multiple mister Australia IFBB

899
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: pro fucking unit right yep, kind of looks and walks

900
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: like a crab. Ergo the name. So was it four

901
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: or five years ago? I think it's coming up to

902
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: five years So we were training. It was Friday night

903
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: and he'd been down he's got a property. He'd been

904
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: down to his property. I think it was November. It

905
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: was hot, he'd worked out day outside all day. He

906
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: was dehydrated, I'm sure, and he had about five fucking

907
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: caffeine drinks, which is awesome when you're in your fifties, right, Yeah, No,

908
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: it's beautiful and also dehydrated and so not stressful on

909
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: the cardiovascular system or the old fucking heart.

910
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: No, not at all.

911
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: Nah, brilliant, and then comes to the him, does a

912
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: set of chins, does twenty chins and holds his breath. Right,

913
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: so does twenty chins, hold his breath, His head turns purple,

914
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: and then he falls on the floor. Then he gets

915
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: on the floor on his hands and knees. I thought

916
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: he was having a seizure. He had a complete cardiac arrest,

917
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: so flat lined seventeen minutes.

918
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: Fuck dead on the floor, actually dead, Ye're dead, dude.

919
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: Dead five five to five twenty two, seventeen minutes. So, yeah,

920
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: I when I see guys lifting and doing shit, that's

921
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: right on the edge. I've been around that a few times.

922
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was when it's the work. Oh dude, Well,

923
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: I literally it's interesting. It ain't about me, but it's

924
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: interesting when that happens you the So I looked at

925
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: him and he was dead, and that's funny because the

926
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: stage was about one oh five or one ten. But

927
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: he's small, like he's short, but I flipped him over

928
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: like he was fucking forty kilos It's funny when in

929
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: the middle in a crisis, right and turning over a big, strong,

930
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: like a heavy.

931
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: Bloke when his body's all it is not easy.

932
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: It's fucking hard, right. Anyway, it was effortless and I

933
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: started working on him straight away. But what is and this,

934
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, what is interesting is the way that people

935
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: respond in the middle of that. There was probably twenty

936
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: people in the gym, and not one person, not one

937
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: person said can I help? Can I what do you

938
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: want me to do? So I was doing everything right,

939
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: I was working on him, I was doing CPR on him,

940
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's like you just if you're going to

941
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: have that happen, you want to make sure that it's

942
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: near somebody who will fucking step in, because look, maybe

943
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: somebody would have stepped in if I wasn't there. But

944
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: on that particular day, I literally I ended up screaming

945
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: at one bloke and to come and give me a hand. Yeah,

946
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: you said, I don't know what to do. I said,

947
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: I know what to do, Just fucking get over here, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

948
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: So but yeah.

949
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: It's funny those situations, and even the most highly trained

950
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: people can sometimes falter in those situations when the when

951
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 3: the shit it's a fan and the pressure's on, it's

952
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 3: I guess none of us know how we'll actually react

953
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: until we're placed into those situations. And like I said,

954
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: even the most highly trained will freeze up sometimes like that. Yeah,

955
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: it's I don't know if it's a modern symptom of

956
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: people do sometimes as well. They just don't want to

957
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: become embroiled in anything because they're trying to avoid drama

958
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: or whatever. They don't want to do the wrong thing.

959
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: But I think I think if somebody's collapsing on the ground,

960
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 3: you do what you can to bloody will help you,

961
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 3: just even if you don't know what the fuck you're doing.

962
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: Just while we're talking about it. And again this remember everyone,

963
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a dietitian, neither Luke. This is just two

964
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: blokes talking about something. So I don't see it as

965
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: a prescription or a recommendation. What are your thoughts on?

966
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: Like I owned gyms for years, I don't own a

967
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: gym anymore. I just trained a gym. And one of

968
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: my observations is a fucking shitload of sixteen year olds,

969
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: fifteen year olds using pre workout, which is essentially well,

970
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: it's not Essentially, it's a stimulant, right, what's your observation

971
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: or maybe you're not in that environment much like in

972
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: a normal gym, But I tell you what, they give

973
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: that stuff a big nudge. Mate, there's fucking I would

974
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: say eighty percent of the boys, maybe ninety percent of

975
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: the boys, the young teenagers in the gym I go to,

976
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: they just pump this shit in their body. It's a

977
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: sympathetic nervous system stimulant elevates heart rate, blood pressure, adrenaline, cortisol.

978
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: It's like and they drink it like water. Fucking is me?

979
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it's well overdone. I personally done

980
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: them in news pre workout, so I used them over

981
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 3: the years occasionally and then sort of realized I didn't

982
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 3: really need it.

983
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:16,479
Speaker 2: I guess. For me, training is almost second nature.

984
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: I've been doing it for nearly thirty years, you know,

985
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: in some form or more, you know when it comes

986
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: to sports and things like that. So for me, it's

987
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 3: more about having your structure in place, having your discipline

988
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 3: in place, and understanding how to get in that.

989
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: State of arousal. Now.

990
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 3: I love a coffee and that sort of thing as

991
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: much as the next person, and probably consume too much

992
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: of it sometimes, but as far as I'm concerned, something

993
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: to eat and a coffee is probably sufficient for you know,

994
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 3: a vast ninety ob percent of gym attendees as a

995
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: pre workout. Now having been around strength sports, and I

996
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: don't want to go too deeply into it. I've seen

997
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 3: some wild shit over the years that people will consume

998
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: pre training and pre contest. I haven't necessarily seen them

999
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: do any better than athletes.

1000
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: Who don't do that over the years.

1001
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: As far as kids and sixteen year olds and all

1002
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: this sort of shit, Like I've been lifted in gym

1003
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 3: since I was twelve, but you know, kids down around

1004
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 3: that age, or anybody really if they're especially if they're

1005
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: in the beginner phase of what they're doing, I don't

1006
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: see that, you know, overdoing stimulants is necessarily important.

1007
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: More what would be important.

1008
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: Is getting some structure around your training, some consistency around

1009
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: your training, and just continue to.

1010
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: Turn up, seek some advice and things like that.

1011
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 3: And I sound like an old man and you know,

1012
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 3: like this sort of thing, but really that's what everybody's lacking.

1013
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: There's some bloody direction, some focus, and some consistency in

1014
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 3: the training. That would be way more advantageous than looking

1015
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 3: for a magic pill or a bloody pre workout to

1016
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 3: kick out the ass for a workout one hundred percent.

1017
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: All right, So I want to know, if not necessarily

1018
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: the day that you performed best in competition, maybe it's

1019
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: that day, but I want to know your favorite day,

1020
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: the day that you look back on and go, fuck,

1021
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: I love that day, or I was awesome more that

1022
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: was amazing to tell us about, if not that day,

1023
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: a day in sporting terms, yeah, in terms of your

1024
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: strong man stuff or anything you know, in the space

1025
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: of athletic performance.

1026
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 3: That's a hard one because I've done so much over

1027
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: so many years. I think for me, standing in pro

1028
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: lineups against guys who I'd looked up to my whole career,

1029
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 3: like Sadurna Civicis and liked Thorbiance and things like that

1030
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 3: being counted amongst them, even if I took the hiding

1031
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: of a lifetime in some of those competitions, I'm finally

1032
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: arriving at that pro level was a big deal for

1033
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: me because something I'd wanted for a long time, and

1034
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 3: I've been in the sport for a good eight years

1035
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 3: before I really started to reach that level. So each

1036
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 3: and every time I took the field against those elite

1037
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 3: level guys, and the same with you know, the sports

1038
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: I'm in now, it's always a privilege to me and

1039
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 3: I always thoroughly enjoy those. For me, the win that

1040
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 3: mattered the most to me and still does matter the

1041
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 3: most to me, was when I won. Now, there's a

1042
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 3: competition down south at a Scottish gathering called Bandon Brigadoon

1043
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: so bund Is in the southern Highlands of New South Wales.

1044
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: Those guys that I talked about earlier, David Huxley from

1045
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: the Wide World of Sports. He was one of Australia's

1046
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: greatest of a strong man back through the nineties and

1047
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 3: a very good hammer thrower.

1048
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: He set up a competition down.

1049
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: There in the early eighties doing stone lifting demonstrations and

1050
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: things like that.

1051
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: It ended up turning into the Bundon and Stones of.

1052
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 3: Manhood competition and they would have the top Swedes and

1053
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 3: the top world strongest man guys from around the world

1054
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: come out and contest those events. Now, by the time

1055
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 3: I entered the sport, it had been going for about

1056
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: twenty five years that event down there, And forgive me

1057
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 3: if some of my timings were a bit out with

1058
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 3: the chronology, but it was a title that I coveted heavily.

1059
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: I was against all my heroes, some of the biggest

1060
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: names in the sport had won that title. It was

1061
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: something that I just wanted and it was one of

1062
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 3: my first earliest opportunities, I guess. So each year in

1063
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 3: April I'd head down the Southern Highlands against the best

1064
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: stone lifters in the country and we battled out and

1065
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: for eight years straight, I couldn't do any better than second.

1066
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 3: Sometimes I finished fourth, fifth, well down the lineups. Each

1067
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: year I said that's the last time. Each year I

1068
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: would be invited back because I was still one of

1069
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: the best stone lifters in the country, and I would

1070
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 3: go back there and on my ninth attempt against Jordan

1071
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: again I mentioned him often because we battled often, even

1072
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 3: though we're good mates. He'd won it three times consecutively,

1073
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 3: and on his goal at his fourth one, I came

1074
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 3: out and won my first first bundernoon title, and that

1075
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 3: was a huge one because we have crowds of fifteen

1076
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 3: to twenty thousand people. It's like a big, big sort

1077
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 3: of colosseum down there. If you like it's mister Montminson.

1078
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: That one for me was a really big deal because

1079
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 3: for nine years, nine years, I'd attempted to win this

1080
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: one title. Yes, I've done all this other stuff as

1081
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: strong man, it was the title I just could not crack.

1082
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 3: It was the one I wanted the most, and it

1083
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 3: was all down to a single stone run five stones

1084
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: on barrels. Just be fastest, be the strongest, to be

1085
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 3: the fastest, and for nine years I couldn't do it.

1086
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 3: And then I won three in a row.

1087
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: Wow.

1088
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that that first bunder Noon, I think

1089
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 3: is the one that means the most to me.

1090
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: Out of all my career things.

1091
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 3: I've done much higher profile things, I think that's still

1092
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 3: the biggest one. I think because for nearly a decade

1093
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 3: I just kept bashing myself up against the best and

1094
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: I eventually cracked it.

1095
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: And did you did you did? I read that you

1096
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: competed in the Highland Games and like, is it called

1097
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: kaber tossing?

1098
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 3: I share, and yeah, I competed at the Australian Highlander

1099
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. Actually that was I kind

1100
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: of jumped in last minute off the plane from America,

1101
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: so I didn't perform the.

1102
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: Best, but no, it was. Yeah. I've done a lot

1103
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: of hiding games over the years as well.

1104
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, where the fuck do you sit on a plane?

1105
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 2: Surely sit wherever I can. I wish you could lay

1106
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: in the aisle sometimes so I could stretch out.

1107
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: You can't. Don't tell me you sit in economy.

1108
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, this is not a rich sport.

1109
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: So can you just yeah, I didn't mean that.

1110
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: Leaders that's all right.

1111
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: I've become very good at somehow landing, you know, an

1112
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: empty seat next to me, So I try to aim

1113
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 3: for that each time.

1114
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: If I can get a couple of seats i can.

1115
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: I'm okay.

1116
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: Maybe if I'm ever flying somewhere economy and I see

1117
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: you fucking making you awards me, I'm going to start

1118
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: having a fucking convulsion or something.

1119
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: I just to enjoy.

1120
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 3: Get on the plane with a couple of the boys,

1121
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 3: a couple of us, you know, six six sixty seven,

1122
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy hundred and eighty k and we're

1123
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 3: walking down the plane together and everybody's like going off,

1124
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 3: don't sit next to me, and Web He's like staring

1125
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 3: at people, trying to freak him out a bit like, yeah,

1126
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: we'll come for your seat and then walk past them

1127
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 3: and watch them breathe a sigh of relief. Believe me,

1128
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 3: anybody who ends up sitting next to me, the flight

1129
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 3: is worse for me than it is for you. And

1130
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 3: I'm actually a very conscientious flyer. I try to make

1131
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 3: it as as less an impact on those around me

1132
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: as I can, so extend the courtesy back.

1133
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: Thanks.

1134
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: Are kids scared of you or intrigued by you? Or

1135
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: a bit of both? Like i'd imagine little kids would

1136
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god.

1137
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:26,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.

1138
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: I guess it depends how you carry yourself, but I

1139
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 3: think generally kids are sort of more fascinated. We got

1140
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 3: to have, you know, a lot of the events we do,

1141
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: we try to the kids are our fans sort of things,

1142
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 3: so they generally love what we're doing more than the parents,

1143
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: you know, almost in a super sense, I guess. So

1144
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: it's always cool. The kids are always a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah,

1145
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 3: they usually. I don't think they're scared, they're more fascinated.

1146
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: What's your actual job, mate, What are you at the moment?

1147
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: What do you do when you're not lifting heavy shit?

1148
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 3: I'm operations manager for a timber company, right, yeah, timber wholesaler.

1149
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: Funny enough. So that's the thing with a lot of

1150
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 3: these strength sports. Even the guys at the very top

1151
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 3: often have regular jobs. There's very few as full time pros.

1152
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and Ebody for your Life.

1153
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, come on, there's a lot of territory

1154
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: on his body. There's a tuck. I'll tell you what.

1155
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: If he's wearing a T shirt with your brand on it,

1156
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: it's going to be seen from bar. And what was

1157
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: I going to say? What about I mean, this is

1158
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: a big conversation, I guess, but just quickly, can we

1159
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: just quickly talk about food? Just ballpark? What is a

1160
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: I know it varies day to day, but like I

1161
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: eat fuck all. I eat two meals a day because

1162
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: I spend I train every day. But I also spend

1163
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 1: a lot of time doing what I'm doing now, which

1164
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: is either studying, researching, interviewing people. So spent a lot

1165
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: of time on my ass. I'd imagine you'd be Do

1166
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: you actually track calories or do you eat in stinctively?

1167
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: Is it strategic or is it just fucking how you

1168
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: feel on the day.

1169
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 3: To be honest, nutrition has probably been my worst thing

1170
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 3: over the years. Which is silly in hindsight, but hindsight's

1171
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. Yeah, it's probably more instinctive eating. I guess

1172
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: my coach used to hammer me for it, and she

1173
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 3: always tried to take control of it a lot more.

1174
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's something I've struggled with. I guess, even

1175
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 3: at my biggest I've never had a great appetite. So

1176
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 3: eating you know, five, six, seven thousand calories a day

1177
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: at those sort of sizes is it became a real

1178
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 3: chore and I kind of had to force it. And

1179
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 3: even guys like Brian Shaw, who were probably eating closer

1180
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 3: to ten thousand calories a day, you often hear him

1181
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 3: speak about it, saying he got to the point where

1182
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 3: he actually hated food because it became such a chore.

1183
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: Literally just hadn't force it into himself to maintain you know,

1184
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 3: say two hundred dolos body weight. When it comes to me, yeah,

1185
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 3: I changed my mind often. So eating the same thing

1186
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 3: repetitively is something that frustrates me. So I got to,

1187
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: I guess, lean into discipline a little bit there. These days,

1188
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 3: I lean quite heavily into your musclemeel type things that

1189
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: are already prepared and ready to rock and roll and

1190
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: very convenience, so I can shot that in the microwave,

1191
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: have a quick glance at the macros and make sure

1192
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 3: I'm sort of getting.

1193
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: A rough, rough sort of what I would like to consume.

1194
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: I can keep an eye on what my body weight's

1195
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 3: doing and that sort of thing, but as far as

1196
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 3: tracking goes, I'm pretty shit at that, to be fair,

1197
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 3: be completely honest.

1198
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: Well it's kind of gone. Okay, all right before we

1199
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: wind up, mate, Firstly, thank you chatting on fucking This

1200
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: is the easiest chat I've had in a long.

1201
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: Time at all.

1202
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: So there's a show on NBC called Young Rock, which

1203
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: is correct me if I'm wrong, but it's about the

1204
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: rock Dwayne Johnson's kind of youth and early years and

1205
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: you play and you're in that, and you play a

1206
01:00:55,160 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: WWE wrestler called Hillbilly Jim. Where's tell us about that?

1207
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: That must have been well maybe it wasn't, but it

1208
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: seems like it would be fun.

1209
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that was Actually that was awesome. I love

1210
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 2: that gig.

1211
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 3: End of twenty twenty, I started doing some acting, picked

1212
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 3: up an agent manager which I still work with.

1213
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: He's really good.

1214
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 3: So I'm on You're tell you a fair bit these days,

1215
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 3: and a lot of TVCs and that sort of thing.

1216
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 3: Done a few shows. I've got another show this month.

1217
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 3: I'm sort of filming and whatever. But yeah, Young Rock

1218
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 3: was really really cool. It was sort of during the

1219
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 3: middle of COVID. It was late twenty twenty one. I

1220
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 3: actually had to fly toquains and then lockdown for a

1221
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 3: couple of weeks up there to a hotel before I

1222
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 3: was allowed near the set and all that jazz. But yeah,

1223
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 3: I cast for a couple of rolls, but I cast

1224
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 3: for Hillbilly Jim, so I sent her back then and

1225
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 3: it's sort of continued post COVID. The way you audition

1226
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 3: these days is called a self test audition, where you

1227
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 3: film yourself basically just on your phone or with the camera,

1228
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 3: and they'll send you the scenes and you sort of

1229
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 3: act it out and then fire it off, and then

1230
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: after that you might get a call back in that

1231
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 3: week's second audition, and then you might get the gig.

1232
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: So the cool thing was because it was Dwayne's baby.

1233
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 3: He was the one actually vetting my my audition and

1234
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 3: was the one who sort of rubber stamped me getting

1235
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 3: the gig. So it was really cool to have you know,

1236
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 3: the Rock. I never ever, I never actually made him

1237
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 3: because he couldn't come out here because of COVID unfortunately,

1238
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, I got the thumbs up to play you know,

1239
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 3: w w F w w w F Hall of Famer Hillbilly, Jim,

1240
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 3: Jim Morris and I had a lot of fun with it.

1241
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 3: It was it was really cool. I'm in season two

1242
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 3: in quite a few episodes, and yeah, we did some

1243
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: really good scenes in the in the ring against you know,

1244
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: obviously actors, but you know guys like Rick Flair and

1245
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,959
Speaker 3: Bolkov and the Iron Chic and.

1246
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 2: It was quite a fun show.

1247
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: There were there were three seasons. I was in season

1248
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 3: two only, which we filmed on the Gold Coast. They

1249
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 3: filmed the first two seasons here and then season three,

1250
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 3: once COVID lifted, they shot it in the States and

1251
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 3: then it was unfortunately canceled.

1252
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: But now I had a ball with that. We worked.

1253
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 3: We worked closely the stunt coordinator and fight scene coordinator

1254
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 3: with Chavo Guerrero of the Fine Guerrero Wwin Family and

1255
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 3: awesome Guy and yeah, no, I had a ton of

1256
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 3: fun with that man. That was That was one of

1257
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 3: the probably the best gig I've done so far.

1258
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: Good for you, brother, that's amazing. Well, hopefully if you

1259
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: get more, get more acting work, we can get you

1260
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: out of economy into business somebody.

1261
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 3: It doesn't unless you're Chrissworth. It doesn't necessarily pay you

1262
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 3: well either. So anyway, it's all good. It's all good.

1263
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard of him. He does. Okay, Hey mate,

1264
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: where can people find you? Follow you, connect with you?

1265
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: If you want to be connected with what's or if

1266
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: you want to plug anything, hit us up what's going on?

1267
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, the easiest way is just just give me

1268
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 3: a follow. On Instagram is sort of where I do

1269
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 3: most of my contact with people. Luke, Blue Mountains, Reynolds,

1270
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 3: Luke's so it's Luke Underscore, Blue Mountain Underscore, Reynolds. Yeah,

1271
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 3: and that's where my biggest presence is. I guess On there,

1272
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 3: I just want to give a shout out. I got

1273
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 3: physically fortified. That's the jail House Strong tea on there.

1274
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 3: That's anybody who follows anyone's strength related. That's Tom Haveln's

1275
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 3: stuff and Jeff Bryant's stuff. There are awesome guys. I

1276
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 3: train out of last round training facility in North Richmond,

1277
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 3: and that's that's probably about it for now.

1278
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's give him all the ship that Tom Havelyn

1279
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: is a fucking unit, isn't he And awesome guy. I

1280
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: follow him as well.

1281
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 3: He's if people are following him, they're insane. He's the

1282
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 3: coolest guy on the on the fucking Internet, and he's

1283
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:39,959
Speaker 3: a lovely dude.

1284
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: He's a really good guy.

1285
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an enigma. Ye, hey mate, we'll say goodbye affair,

1286
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: but yep, Yeah, it's been awesome. It's been really nice

1287
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: to meet you, Luke, and I appreciate your time and

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Speaker 1: i'd love to actually get you back because there's so

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Speaker 1: many more things we could chat about, and there aren't

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Speaker 1: too many Luke Reynold that have been on the show.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you the tip where nearly seventeen hundred episodes

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Speaker 1: in and you're a unicorn. So thanks, mister unicorn. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it, mate, thanks for having me on