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Speaker 1: Mid price madness is back. Selecting a player at a

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Speaker 1: one of the best feelings in Supercoach. A lot more

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Speaker 1: mid price picks blow up than become season long keepers,

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Speaker 1: but those players are out there every year and if

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Speaker 1: on the competition. So who will be the elliot EO

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. Hello, Welcome to the official Supercoach

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Speaker 1: AFL show. Today we are talking mid prices, which we

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Speaker 1: are classifying as players price between three hundred and five

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: To start the year.

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Speaker 1: Basically, if you're not a premium and you're not a rookie,

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Speaker 1: you're a mid pricer and our job today is to

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Speaker 1: sort the contenders from the pretenders. I'm your host, Al Payton,

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Speaker 1: joined by some Supercoach luminaries for a really which would

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Speaker 1: be a really fun discussion today with me in the

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Speaker 1: studio in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: Here is Chloe Williams.

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Speaker 1: Chloe, welcome back for your first appearance in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five and ten to get into some mid price chat.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Yes, I am a bit of

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Speaker 3: a sucker for a mid price pick, so I'm very

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Speaker 3: keen to discuss these, and You're right, they do tend

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Speaker 3: to blow up fairly often. But hopefully this will be

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Speaker 3: the year that I finally nail one.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, one, and hopefully we can get a few

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Speaker 2: more than one. That'll be the aim.

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Speaker 1: At the end of this show, DOSSI back with us again.

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Speaker 1: You've got some a lot of eagles on your hit list,

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll try, and I'll try and keep the bias

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Speaker 4: down as much as I possibly can, but no, I'm

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Speaker 4: also a sucker for a mid price pick. Traditionally. It

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Speaker 4: has ruined many of my seasons in the past, and look,

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Speaker 4: here's hoping for another season ruined this year because there

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Speaker 4: are so many mid prices this year that are tempting,

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Speaker 4: perhaps more than ever I can remember in the last

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Speaker 4: maybe five years. There's just so many that have caught

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Speaker 4: my eye. Keen to get stuck into this discussion, I'm

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Speaker 4: sure there's plenty that we won't be able to touch

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Speaker 4: on today because there's just that many available.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And of course we have a special guest

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Speaker 1: with us again today, joining us from the Coaches Panel

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Speaker 1: podcast or YouTube show. It's on all the great platforms,

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Speaker 1: and if you haven't caught it already, MJ starting the famous,

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Speaker 1: world famous countdown of his fifty most relevant players for

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Speaker 1: super Coaching Fantasy for twenty twenty five. He's about five

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Speaker 1: and listen to those first few, and now that'll be

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Speaker 1: counting down all the way through to round one. But MJ,

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Speaker 1: thanks for jumping on today, and hopefully there'll be a

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Speaker 1: few of these mid prices on that list in the

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much for having me on the podcast. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I gotta admit I could do a fifty most relevant

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Speaker 5: on mid prices, couldn't I know? There is so many

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Speaker 5: that we could spend our time on. I promise I

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Speaker 5: haven't done that with the countdown, but absolutely thrill today

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Speaker 5: I spend some time talking with a few guys that

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Speaker 5: We'll see how we go.

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Speaker 2: Yes, excellent.

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Speaker 1: So the format today, guys, will be something a bit

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Speaker 1: our favorite mid price gambles for twenty twenty five. If

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Speaker 2: And the order that Dossie says he used some kind

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Speaker 1: I didn't see it, but the audio he came out

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Speaker 1: with was Chloe with the number one pick, doss in

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Speaker 1: But Chloe, do you want to kick us off in

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Speaker 1: a minute? Before you do that, we better remind people

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Speaker 1: There's a mountain of great podcast the video content heading

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Speaker 1: you away this preseason. And final reminder, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: I means some of the really popular value options we're

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Speaker 1: pick Caleb Daniel in this podcast, but we will have

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Speaker 1: a special show dedicated to those guys next week, so

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Speaker 1: stay tuned for that. So we better kick it off, Chloe,

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Speaker 1: I suppose the question off the top is what is

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Speaker 3: Well, I can give you my personal opinion. My favorite

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Speaker 1: So who's on your hit list? Coming in hot at

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Speaker 3: So I do as I said, love a mid priser.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they absolutely can. And what Chloe's pointed out beautifully

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Speaker 4: with forty two disposals per game, one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: Anyone got any concerns about Jack McCrae. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Concerns that McCray won't be able to get back to

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Speaker 5: Assume so, and especially just look at the ownership percentage

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Speaker 5: where it's a higher percentage threshold, you're kind of protected

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Speaker 5: It's just that balance of that midfield. I'm curious. It's

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Speaker 5: Does wind Hager still play that negating midfield a role

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Speaker 5: to sinclear pop a little bit more center bouts opportunities

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Speaker 5: But yeah, there's there's a lot of pretty positive signs

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so what's the third name you can give

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I'd say it's my number one pick.

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Speaker 5: It's one I like to talk about though, brand new

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Speaker 5: the mix of three hundred and fifty two thousand, eight

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Speaker 5: is just wild value because he had seven games last

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Speaker 5: look at games he plays in full. He's gone at

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Speaker 5: if he picks up the centerbounts opportunities that I'm certain

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Speaker 5: he will get at Adelaide. When a third of the

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Speaker 5: you get to dictate so much about where and why

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Speaker 5: because when he got fifty percent of Centabounce's last year

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Speaker 5: ninety eight point three in super Coach. So now this

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Speaker 5: perform right on the ledge of a premium Petling does that,

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Speaker 5: and he sits that Crows game style so beautifully. They're

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Speaker 5: a high repetition stoppage team. The way Riley O'Brien hits

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Speaker 5: it just creates a lot of contested footy, a lot

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Speaker 5: just his ability to tackle with ferocity. I know, Dossy,

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Speaker 5: he can just run through with a tackle. So to me,

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Speaker 5: I look at all these elements and go, I really

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Speaker 5: to me, if you're shopping in that mid price range

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Speaker 4: Could I just ask you, MJ, what sort of role

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Speaker 4: what's your gut feel on how much sort of time

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's probably going to be a sixty

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Speaker 5: of player. He is a clearance and a stoppage and

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Speaker 5: it's really pretty clear. I think what they've done with

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Speaker 5: that midfil field looks pretty solid to me. Of Dawson

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Speaker 5: I know I don't see a room for a mat Crouch.

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Speaker 1: No cluely, you'll be a little bit annoyed that pick

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Speaker 2: But is he in your team at the moment.

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Speaker 3: He's actually not in my team at the moment, but

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Speaker 3: is what I usually do, but I definitely think he

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Speaker 3: this time. Just also that defensive element of his game

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Speaker 3: So that's that's always a bonus as well. And I

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Speaker 1: So if we're sticking me, I'll keep us in the midfield,

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Speaker 1: because yeah, this does great really interesting question about how

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Speaker 1: So hey, you can make the jigsaw all fit together,

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Speaker 1: I think we have to. Is Clayton Oliver four hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty five thousand, which is just an insane price.

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Speaker 1: That's more than two hundred grand less than he was

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Speaker 1: just there's obviously, you know, we want to track his

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Speaker 1: where he wanted to be and everything. But I just

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Speaker 2: How could it possibly go worse than last year?

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Speaker 1: So it's going to be very hard to I can't

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Speaker 4: We talked about McCrae's history as well. I mean, Clayton

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Speaker 4: his rookie season and last season as well. So another

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Speaker 4: guy was just supreme super coach talent. I can't believe

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Speaker 4: he played twenty one game. Yeah, it's a surprising surprising

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Speaker 1: Al yeah, I think we can pretty much agree on

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Speaker 3: Yes, I might go to a new spot on the ground.

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Speaker 3: I might just dabble in the defense for a little minute.

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Speaker 3: Caane Farrell at four hundred and forty five K price

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Speaker 3: But you know, he's just such a good scorer already

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Speaker 1: But Logan Evans your man. Yeah, I know picked him

437
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 1: last year. That was such a good pick.

438
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he did get some big on him actually,

439
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 3: But you know, I think that the role will go

440
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 3: to Farrell and his kickins. He was the number one

441
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 3: last year for Port with eighty five ninety six percent

442
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 3: to play on.

443
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, and Houston was number two with eighty so

444
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 1: they basically had a fifty fifty split on the kickings.

445
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 1: So it's really where do those kickings go. And obviously

446
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 1: Farrell gets all of them, that's a pretty easy way

447
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: to boost his average. But there's a few other players

448
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 1: in the mix, but we'll get to we'll get a

449
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 1: look at that over the preseason, I guess. I mean

450
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 1: m Jo Josh Sin is another one that some people

451
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: have some more hopes for, But do you think Kane

452
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,360
Speaker 1: Farrell is the I know he's one of your favorites, but.

453
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 2: Is Farrell the leading contender over there? Anything?

454
00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 5: I think he's a contender. He's already getting so much

455
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 5: the ball and has to be a preseason watch, doesn't

456
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 5: he Like Chloe's talked about the vacancy that's existing and

457
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 5: the opportunity for scoring, and so there's absolutely that room

458
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 5: for you, and has to be a preseason watch for

459
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 5: how Ports structure up their ball movement. If they start

460
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 5: to move the ball a little bit faster. They've been

461
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 5: notoriously quite short, sharp kicks and then players like Farrell

462
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 5: and Houston is the only longer booming kicks that kind

463
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 5: of deliver the ball forward fifty of the ball. If

464
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 5: they change up that Ken Hinckley game style a little bit,

465
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 5: well it might not help us regardless who gets some

466
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 5: of that line's share, but he's got to be someone

467
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 5: you watch, whether again it's Evans, Burton, se In, any

468
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 5: of these other names, I think we do need to watch.

469
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 5: When such an important player to Port's ball movement has left,

470
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 5: someone's got to pick up some of that share. And

471
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 5: if it is Farrell, who's right one of those contenders,

472
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 5: then yeah, this is someone that's going to present some

473
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 5: value with a great early fixture and again no early buys.

474
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: And they have the port has a great mid year

475
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: by as well if we get through that far, just

476
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 1: sharing the boy with the Saints in round thirteen, so

477
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: he's easy to cover in as well. But Doss quick

478
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 1: onan on him at four forty five k are we

479
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: getting into awkward territory with I mean, does he really

480
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 1: have to be a keeper of that price or it

481
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: could be afward to make one hundred grand and sell

482
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: him off.

483
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, like it is awkward. You'd want him

484
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 4: to be a premium, but somebody does have to take

485
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 4: that role. So he's one to watch and I think

486
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 4: it is. It's a massive preseason watch. And he's probably

487
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 4: not again, not a name that you know, stacks of

488
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 4: coaches are just immediately pegging into their starting team because

489
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 4: he's not that sexy name that we've heard in the

490
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 4: past in super coach. You know, he's more of a

491
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 4: draft player traditionally, but without Dan Houston in the side,

492
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 4: there is that room for opportunity. But I do think

493
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 4: to your point out, he probably does have to be

494
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 4: more of a premium at sort of that price, And

495
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 4: I guess to that point as well, a lot of

496
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 4: these guys priced in that eighty to eighty five or

497
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 4: upputs of ninety, which is what up to five hundred

498
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 4: k would be. I think that's what you'd probably want.

499
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: Now.

500
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 4: I know MJ probably can speak to this a bit more.

501
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 4: He's a bit more in the weeds as well with

502
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 4: his most relevant But is that what you're after in

503
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 4: a mid price at that price?

504
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 5: To a degree it is. I think it also just

505
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 5: depends what your profile of how many mid prices you've

506
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 5: got and how you like to trade. Super Coach is

507
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 5: so much about the trading games and with the boosts

508
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 5: that we've got and now the additional position on field

509
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 5: of the flex, how much do you back yourself in

510
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 5: as a strong aggressive trader, Because to make that one

511
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 5: hundred k and get a ninety five ish sort of

512
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 5: average that might be enough for others and others that

513
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 5: are like no, I like to be a bit different

514
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 5: with my upgrade cadence of how I move, So I

515
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 5: don't think he has to be a keeper in that spot.

516
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 5: But if he's not, you want him knocking on the

517
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 5: door pretty hard. That's for sure.

518
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: Yep, does it Europe next with your second pick in

519
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: this sort of draft, if we're going to call it that,

520
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: But who.

521
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: You got for is yeah. I've traditionally been known as

522
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 4: the one to go for the sort of the outside picks,

523
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 4: but today I'm going real straight bat. Bailey Smith is

524
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 4: my second pick. Ano another one that we just have

525
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 4: to talk about, given his value and given he'll be

526
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 4: one of the most owned players in Super Coach unless

527
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 4: injury or otherwise strikes before the round one occurs. But

528
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 4: three hundred and eighty nine thousand mid forward for Bailey Smith,

529
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 4: priced at seventy two, missed the entirety of last year

530
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: with the ACL. Now he's at the Cats as well.

531
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 4: So the issues that he had in twenty twenty three

532
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 4: at the Western Bulldogs not really getting exposed to that

533
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: midfield time, or at least not starting in the midfield.

534
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 4: He'd often start on a half forward, which is why

535
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 4: we've got that forward status. You'd expect him to move

536
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 4: into a more midfield friendly role at the Cats. But

537
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 4: also just the price, regardless of where he plays on

538
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 4: the field seventy two, He's never averaged under that in

539
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 4: his career. Even in his rookie year he was averaging

540
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 4: seventy five the coach or close to seventy six, so

541
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 4: typically plays a lot of games as well, aside from

542
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 4: obviously missing the entirety of last season. So I just

543
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 4: look at the Cat's midfield as well, and this is

544
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 4: where it kind of excites me in terms of what

545
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 4: role we're going to see. The Cat's midfield just really

546
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 4: doesn't have an identity at the moment. I feel like

547
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 4: they're going to move into that this season in really

548
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 4: understanding what that identity is. Look at the center bounce

549
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 4: attendants as last year for the Cats. Dangerfield's still up there.

550
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 4: As I'm ignoring the Rucks here, So dangerfield sixty six percent,

551
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 4: So that's pretty low attendee attendance as anyway for a

552
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 4: prime mid Tanner Bruin fifty seven percent, Brandon Path at

553
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 4: fifty five, Tom Atkins fifty four. Like this is the

554
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 4: midfield mix you've got. You've got Jack Bow's, Jay Clark,

555
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 4: Cam Guthrie who barely played as well last year. Max

556
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 4: Holmes sort of started to get exposed to I think

557
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 4: we'll probably see a bit more. And then Tom Stewart

558
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 4: was thrown in and switched with Max Holmes almost towards

559
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 4: the back end the last year. So Bailey Smith just

560
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 4: has a role in there. We've already heard from Dangerfield

561
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 4: that he's going to be part of that midfield unit.

562
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 4: It's just a bargain. I don't really need to say

563
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: much more than that. He's under four hundred k Bailey

564
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 4: Smith as a forward, another potential lock for our super

565
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 4: coach starting squads.

566
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: The only sort of little red flag that came up

567
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: when you were talking them was I think quite a

568
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: few people picked tann and bruin last year even the

569
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: year before.

570
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 2: Was it on very similar logic. I don't know how

571
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: Geelong keeps doing this.

572
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: They keep making finals and being successful and you look

573
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: at their midfield and think, well, who's in there, and

574
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: you know there's anyone who comes from another club can

575
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: just walk in and be their number one center bounds

576
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: mid and it doesn't seem to always work out that way.

577
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: But as you say, at the price that he's at,

578
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: you can't really go wrong with Beslinka, can you no?

579
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 4: Just a quick quick talk about someone else who came

580
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 4: there with a bit of an injury history. Last season,

581
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 4: Jack Bows managed twenty two games last season and managed

582
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 4: to average eighty two, which is, you know, close to

583
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 4: one of his best seasons as well. So just the

584
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 4: fact that he managed to play so many games as

585
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 4: well and even had got some exposure thirty nine percent

586
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: center bounces for him, which he hadn't played really much

587
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 4: midfield before arriving there. They just need some more pizaz

588
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: in there, I think, al But interested in your thoughts

589
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: as well, Chloe, Is he just a lock?

590
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: Definitely a lock for me? I think that. Yeah, We've

591
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: touched on it bit Geelong. I think, yes, it's been

592
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: a bit haphazard, but they are kind of crying out

593
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: for that anchor. And I think obviously some of us

594
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: falling into the trap with Tanner Brewin that was actually

595
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: one that I didn't fall into, lucky me. But yeah,

596
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: I think that someone like Bailey Smith, you know, heads

597
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: above no offense to Turner Bruin, but I think that

598
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: he'll definitely lock down that role in there, So I

599
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: don't have too many qualms about picking him in my side.

600
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean we talked about some guys coming

601
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: back off long term injuries, and Smith did his ACL

602
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: in December twenty twenty three. What was it, So yeah,

603
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: so he's had heaves of times the recovery's back in

604
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: full training already, where some of the others might be

605
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: making a bit more of a later run at it,

606
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: so he should be absolutely fitting, firing, ready.

607
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: To go out to euro Summer in there too. So yeah,

608
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: I guess the only thing we need to which will

609
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: come up repeatedly.

610
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: In fact, I might even tied, and he's just a

611
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: segway beautifully into The guy that I want to talk

612
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: about too, is that he does have the Round three

613
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: by which is the one that I think he's going

614
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: to potentially trip up people next year. You know, we

615
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: generally want to avoid plays with the early buys. Maybe

616
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: you can get away with it if you've only got

617
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: one or two players missing, but we're talking about in

618
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: round three.

619
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: If I find my little list, he we've got.

620
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: Geelong, Sydney, Collingwood and Brisbane all missing, so it is

621
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: best at in scoring.

622
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: We have the flex so there's a bit of back

623
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: up there to help us out.

624
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: But if we're already looking at picking, you know, Bailey

625
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Smith and maybe you've got a Nashcroft or two and

626
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: Kitty Coleman's very cheap. He will be potentially, I think

627
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about him on the next Little Bargain Show.

628
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: Below three hundred K guys, so can you fit into

629
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: Bailey Smith and Callum Mills who I mean, just at

630
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: the price is very hard to leave out. He is

631
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: priced at sixty six points a game and in twenty

632
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: twenty two he averaged one hundred and sixteen, so we know,

633
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: you know that was a career best. But he's average

634
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: hundred and twelve in a season before he does get

635
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: thrown around a bit, or he has in the past.

636
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: But now the Swan's have a new coach, so we'll

637
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: keep an eye on what Dean Cox wants to do

638
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: with him. But never got going last year, had that

639
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: ridiculous bad Monday shoulder injury, only played six home in

640
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: away games in the end, So ideally I think we'd

641
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: want to see him in the center bounces. But he's

642
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 1: only at three point fifty six K, so he's one

643
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: of these guys that you know, I mean, I could see.

644
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: Him becoming a season long keeper.

645
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: But even if he gets up to a ninety something average,

646
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: which I think is easily within his wheelhouse, he'd make

647
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: us enough money that you could then potentially trade him on.

648
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: So if it wasn't for that round three boy, I

649
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: think I'd just be locking him in and throwing away

650
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: the key. But then it becomes a real juggling act.

651
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if someone else will throw it. But

652
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: there's another Swan's name in a similar price bracket also

653
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: in the defense, which doesn't help things. And you know,

654
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: Kiddi Coleman's back there as well. So yeah, it's going

655
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: to be a tricky one managing how many we can

656
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: carry on that round three by. But yeah, I do

657
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: really like Callum Mills as a super coach.

658
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 4: Pick wow, and I'll just sleep frogging MJ in our draft.

659
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: Oh did I jump?

660
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 4: I did too, Bacon Callum Mills home.

661
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: The seguay was too good. I had to jump into.

662
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: Wasn't next on the board there, MJ. Foy, He wasn't there.

663
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 5: But I will naturally pick up out of the player. No,

664
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 5: not at all, I'll pick up on the player he's

665
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 5: alluded to in Matt Roberts edit number two for US

666
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 5: their defender four point thirty four eight hundred last year,

667
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 5: an average of eighty point seven. It's pretty rare a

668
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 5: player does one of two things for you in the

669
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: same year. They become a valuable cash cow and they

670
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 5: become a premium performer in the same season like this

671
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 5: is Sheeeesel Decos Roberts are kind of some that have

672
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 5: done it in recent seasons for us. He inherited a

673
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 5: new role in the back half of the year, and

674
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 5: I think it's completely aligned to the injury of Justin

675
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: McInerney because he only really got going in the last

676
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 5: seven games of the year. He goes a one to

677
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 5: ten average in those last seven. McInerney goes down injured

678
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 5: halfway through one of those games, and then in the

679
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 5: last six of the year he goes at that average

680
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 5: of one hundred and thirteen point seven, which that's thirty

681
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 5: plus points per game. Of value we're talking about if

682
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 5: he can maintain that for the season based on what

683
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 5: he's going to potentially deliver for us. But it's so

684
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 5: challenging because not only have you got the McInerney back

685
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 5: into the side, you've got moving pieces that are now

686
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: uncertain Mills, as Als mentioned, is he back as a

687
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 5: center bouts midfielder. Is he in the wings? He's played

688
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 5: half forward and then been an interceptor through that defensive line,

689
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 5: so that changes how Mills impacts Roberts. Does McInerney start

690
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 5: to come back in and cut off some of that

691
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 5: ball movement of Roberts. They picked up Riley Biss through

692
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 5: the draft, who's a real dashing defender and is really

693
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 5: impressing the club at the moment. Does this see all

694
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 5: of a sudden, now some more movement shakes around and

695
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 5: then the dreaded buyers of well, if you're keen on Meals,

696
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: which Al's talked about, and you think Kitty Coleman's undeniable value, well,

697
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 5: how are you going to fit Roberts in? And that's

698
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 5: just the defensive line let alone. You're looking at Ashcroft,

699
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 5: Neil Dunky, Decos Smith Degoye like all of a sudden,

700
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter if it's best eighteen, you're heading towards

701
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: fourteen on field. So you've really got to tear out

702
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 5: who do you like more, Who's got not only just

703
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 5: a security of scoring, but security of role. And there

704
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: is a world I can see Meals back in the

705
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 5: center bouts and he Neey pushing more forward because their

706
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 5: forward line looked impotent at times last year, and he

707
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 5: is their best non tall, non small hybrid that it

708
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 5: makes a lot of sense to go. He Ney helped

709
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 5: fix out forward line Mills. We know you can sort

710
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 5: our midfield out and Roberts, yep, you and Blake he

711
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 5: sort it out. So there's a world where all these

712
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 5: moving pieces could just tinge on one or two people.

713
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, massive Braiden Campbell's the other one who you think

714
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: at some stage he's going to get a crack at

715
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: a regular sort of best twenty two spot, and we

716
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: know what he can do, plays again a very similar role.

717
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: Probably Jake Lloyd's the one we've loved in the past,

718
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: but he's maybe been pushed out by those other guys.

719
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: But there's yeah, there's no shortage of options for them

720
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: back there. Swinging back around to Chloe your third pick,

721
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make sure I get the order righte

722
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: this dump, but apologies for that.

723
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: But do you like Risia?

724
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: So my final pick he was also in my team

725
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: at the moment, is will Day Hawthorne four hundred sorry

726
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: and ninety one point three K So I did have

727
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: him at the back end of last year, and I did,

728
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: unfortunately have to ride that whole series of events with

729
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: the tag and the subbed off and then the collar bone.

730
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: It wasn't the best ride, but his averages have been

731
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: in the nineties the past two years, so I think

732
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: this will finally be the year where he can average

733
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: one hundred plus, just mainly due to natural progression, to

734
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: be honest, And I just see him as such an

735
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: integral part of that Hawthorne team obviously missing finals. Maybe

736
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 3: if he was there they could have got over the line.

737
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: You just never know, so I do think he's a

738
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 3: bit of a game changer for the Hawks, and yeah,

739
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: he's in my team, just mainly due to natural progression.

740
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 3: It's not like some of these other guys with role

741
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: change or like I mean, he did have quite an

742
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: injury interrupted year, but not as as stressful super coach

743
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: wise as someone like a Chera, so I think it's

744
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 3: a bit less risky. But he does have that Round

745
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: four by as well, priced at ninety one, so he'd

746
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 3: have to keep consistent with his current average, But I think,

747
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: as I said, he will go above that and be

748
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: able to string together a one hundred plus average this year.

749
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: We take get two or three of those injury effect

750
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: the game that immediately bumps him up a few points.

751
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: And he had a great run last year between rounds

752
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: ten and twenty where he averaged one hundred and fourteen actually,

753
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: and he's nine out of those ten games over one

754
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: hundred and I think the other one was in the nineties,

755
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: So he has shown he can do it. I mean,

756
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, obviously extremely skillful player, another mid pricer in

757
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: the midfield.

758
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 2: DOSSI, what do you think on will Day?

759
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: Yeah? I do love will Day. I think he's probably

760
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 4: not been as much in my planning given that buy.

761
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 4: But aside from that, we've seen him sort of he's

762
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 4: in that mold of a Jordan Dawson or a Hayden

763
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 4: Young who can potentially go you know, one hundred to

764
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: one hundred and five as a basement. So it's just

765
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: he's so clean with it, he can tackle, he does

766
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 4: it all and he's super efficient. So I love will

767
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 4: Day as a player and certainly as a super coach prospect. Yeah,

768
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 4: like you said, he had a few issues last year,

769
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: but he's one that without the buy, I think he'd

770
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 4: be straight into my squad. I was iron him off

771
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 4: all last season saying, you know, all these things going wrong,

772
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: Krim this year is going to be his year. So

773
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 4: look out for will Day And I suppose if you've

774
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: got room and you can balance those buyers, he's one

775
00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: to consider.

776
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: So shares Hawthorne and Essen and share a buy in

777
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: round four. So just the two teams, and if you

778
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: don't have many other Hawks or Bombers, you could maybe

779
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: afford to carry one of them.

780
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: I mean MJ.

781
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: His injuries something we have to factor in. It's one

782
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: of these guys, you just it's not like a chair

783
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: that does his hamstering every two or three months. He

784
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: just always seems to find a way to get hurt

785
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: or something some kind of misapp sidelines him in some stage.

786
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a bit lucky Whitfield like, isn't it. It's

787
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 5: like it's just some kind of medical warfare game where

788
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 5: he finds a way to hurt himself and none of

789
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 5: them feel connected whatsoever. It's just like he's spun a

790
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 5: wheel of injuries and whatever it lands on, that's what

791
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 5: he's going to go down with. I think it's just

792
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 5: balancing a selection like him with what are your other

793
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 5: injury risk profile players that you're going to look for.

794
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 5: And so someone we kicked off the fifty most relevant

795
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 5: with you a Sean Darcy, who I know, Dossy you're

796
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 5: on this year, but we've got to stick into the

797
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: mid price lane for it is just a type of

798
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 5: players that if you put him in the mix, do

799
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 5: you pick others that we've talked through that have injury histories,

800
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, your risk profile gets really really

801
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: high and you can really quickly burn a lot of

802
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 5: trades if it all goes wrong. So I think he

803
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 5: has to be in that mix, and he looks so

804
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 5: good in that Hawthorne structure. I don't think it's an

805
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 5: incidental occurrence that he comes back into that side and

806
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 5: they instantly start winning last year and they structures up

807
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 5: that midfield so much better. So to me, it's just

808
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 5: balancing out where you want to take your risk profile

809
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 5: with injuries, and if you're on day well, it's going

810
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 5: to be harder to be on a Cherit type or

811
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 5: others in the same line alone across the team. Otherwise,

812
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 5: if it all goes well, you're laughing in and you're

813
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 5: three weeks ahead of the pack, but it goes to

814
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 5: two or three injuries in around and all of a

815
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 5: sudden you're looking at super Coach twenty twenty six.

816
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: Does he use your final pick in today's mid PRSCE show.

817
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 4: Now, I think I'd love to go with a Harley Read.

818
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 4: I would love to go there, but I think I've

819
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: already mentioned him fifteen times on about on every show

820
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: we've done so far, so I'll skip over that. If

821
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: anyone's got him, that's all right. But the reason I'm

822
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 4: not talking about him is because all of the improvement

823
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 4: is relying on natural progression. There's no other real upside

824
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 4: in terms of he's already played full time midfield. He's

825
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 4: just going into his second year, so I'm just banking

826
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: you'd be banking on like a Nick Dakos improvement and

827
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: a Cheesel improvement, which I think even them they kind

828
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 4: of saw better role changes in you two. So I'll

829
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: just skip past Harley Read. I really want to talk

830
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 4: about him. I'm going to talk about a player that

831
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: has been sort of in a bit buzzing in the

832
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 4: supercoach community. And I've seen in a fair few teams,

833
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 4: or at least a few teams that you have some

834
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: idea of what they're doing, and that's Jaden short for Richmond.

835
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 4: He's coming in at a nice cheap price. Compared to

836
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 4: what he's done in the past several seasons over ninety five,

837
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: so he's passed four seasons before twenty twenty four have

838
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 4: been ninety five, plus this last season eighty two in

839
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: a dismal Richmond team. Now, I do have some concerns,

840
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 4: like I'm sort of being the devil's advocate bringing him up.

841
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: I have some concerns in that Richmond were already shocking

842
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 4: last year. No offense our so really they were in

843
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 4: being in that back line last season. That was the

844
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: year to feast. He had ninety five kick ins, which

845
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 4: we've only got kicking data from about twenty twenty one,

846
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: and he only had slightly less than that, so scoring

847
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: eighty two Super Coach points. He had his traditional kick

848
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: to handball ratio, which is ludicrous, nearly eighteen kicks to

849
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: five hanballs, so knows how to kick the pill. Jadan

850
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: Shorts just wanted to watch. With all those veterans moving

851
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 4: out of the team, You've got a Liam Baker leaving,

852
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 4: a Shavee Bolton leaving, Dusty Martin retiring, so there's just

853
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 4: going to be lots of Sharon, a lot of kids

854
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 4: in that team this year. I'll pass over to you

855
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 4: our as the Richmond fan, to sort of speak more

856
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 4: about this pick. But I've seen Jaden Short as a

857
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: really popular option early days, plenty of seasons, averaging over

858
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: ninety in there. Yeah, So I think the idea is

859
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: that veterans moving out, it's going to be in Richmond's

860
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: defense a lot this year. If he's retaining that role,

861
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 4: he's going to take all the kick ins like he

862
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 4: always does and just feedback there and essentially just go

863
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 4: from eighty two, he'll improve at least ten points.

864
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: Say, yeah, I mean you mentioned those names leaving, and

865
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: the key one I think when it comes to Jayden

866
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: Short is Dan Rioli.

867
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 4: Sorry, is the one I missed.

868
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't a big kick in taker, and he took

869
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: thirty four last year compared to say, George ninety five

870
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, so it's not a heap of extra

871
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: kick ins to pick up.

872
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: But he was clearly the.

873
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: Go to man coming out of defense if there was

874
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: any kind of rebound or attack out of there for Richmond,

875
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: which there wasn't a whole lot, as you said, we

876
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: really was the one doing it. So with him gone,

877
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: I've heard some talk about, you know, some of the

878
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: kids getting a bit more opportunity at Sam Banks, these

879
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: kind of guys. But yeah, Short obviously premiership veteran now

880
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: really and there will be a lot of responsibility to

881
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: go back on someone like him.

882
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: I mean Nick f Loos Stones there as well.

883
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: He's always someone who's teases a little bit in Super Coach,

884
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: but he's not really your attacking defender, more of an interceptor.

885
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of the foot he will

886
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: go through Short.

887
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: The only thing is that just makes me nervous is

888
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: you know last year he sucked a lot of people in.

889
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: He's got abou one hundred and thirty in opening round

890
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: and I know our good friend Tim Mitchell picked him

891
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: in his starting team and then he was really pretty

892
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 1: terrible for a fair chunk of the season. And looking

893
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: at over his numbers and trying to compare them to

894
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: those years where he did average around I think he

895
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: averaged ninety eight three years in a row or something,

896
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: it's a sort of hard to pinpoint exactly what changed,

897
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: you know with you know, his role seemed pretty similar.

898
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: I know Damian Hardwick liked to throw him into the

899
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: midfield and he bob up in sort of weird positions occasionally,

900
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: but I think Adam Muse played him basically in that

901
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: same sort of role across half back and maybe a

902
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: bit on the wing, but it just didn't happen for

903
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: him last year. And as you say, Richmond, we're not

904
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: expecting them to improve a whole lot in twenty twenty five.

905
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: So how many points are they going to be there for?

906
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: Richmond plays in the defense, but yeah, I'd be surprised

907
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: if he averaged under ninety. It's just, you know, is

908
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: there enough of a bump there to boy picking him

909
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: in there in the back line down there when we

910
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of players competing for those spots. But

911
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: any thoughts on we haven't seen short in the top

912
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: fifty yet. Mjy z someone who might appear down the track,

913
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: no comment yet.

914
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 5: I think something's got to change for Richmond, doesn't it.

915
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 5: With that ball movement, you don't lose a quarter of

916
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 5: your best twenty two And one of the biggest gravy

917
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 5: trains for super Coach has been teams that are developing

918
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 5: heavily through youth. The experience is there needs to take

919
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 5: some of the pressure off that and hold the ball,

920
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 5: and we saw that towards the back of last year,

921
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 5: Richmond's game style evolved a little bit and they did

922
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 5: start to possess the ball a little bit more heavily.

923
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 5: If that happens, all these kind of pathways can lead

924
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 5: towards short pushing back into that high nineties average without doubt. Now,

925
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 5: is it going to be Jack Zebel Aaron Hall in

926
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 5: North Melbourne Territory. I don't think it'll get to those

927
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 5: sort of heights, but definitely to me, hear what you're

928
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 5: talking about with Richmond and go, yeah, there's a world

929
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 5: where short's pretty good for us.

930
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I think, no doubt.

931
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: For the preseason, there'll be plenty of talk about the Tigers,

932
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: and you know, the obvious thing to think about is,

933
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, all these kids coming in and they're going

934
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: to get opportunities. But as you say, yeah, what tends

935
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: to happen in those situations into very very young teams

936
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: is that, Yeah, some of those older guys who have

937
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: hung around need to take on a bit more responsibility,

938
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: and especially I can see being a bit of a

939
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: rough certainly, you know, first half of the year for

940
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: the Tigers with you know, a lot of those draftees

941
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily going to be playing straight away, and they've

942
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: got some of these, you know, Josh gIBIS types coming

943
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 1: back off injury who might not be ready to start

944
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: the year either. So yeah, someone like Shorty hopefully we'll

945
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: step up and fill some of that voide.

946
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: My bad opportunity is there forgetting Dan ree Olo there.

947
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 4: I think I'm just so used to seeing him on

948
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: the Beauty in the beautiful Red on Red already that

949
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 4: just skip so actually way more tempted now that I

950
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 4: just skipped over him. So yeah, Jaden short certainly an option.

951
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: And here you got for us with your final mid

952
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: price pick. MJ.

953
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 5: Look, let's go back to the field for Yeah, yeah,

954
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 5: that's right. Let's go back to the midfield show. Let

955
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 5: me give you some some hundreds and some averages just

956
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 5: to tease out the player. A little bit. Seasonal average

957
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 5: of one hundred and fourteen point one with fifteen tons,

958
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 5: a seasonal average of one hundred and ten point nine

959
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 5: with twelve tons, and a seasonal average of one hundred

960
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 5: and eight with thirteen tons. That's what this player did

961
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 5: in twenty one, twenty two, and twenty three, and he's

962
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 5: coming in at a price point of four hundred and

963
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 5: eighty one thousand, four hundred dollars this year and an

964
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 5: average of eighty nine point three. Darcy Parish, we probably

965
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 5: should put some respect on his name a little bit, shouldn't.

966
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: We were talking about a player that when he's on

967
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 5: the field, he's not just limping over the line to

968
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 5: a low one hundred and putting that dilemma point that

969
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 5: you brought up out during the podcast of or is

970
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 5: it enough to keep you're trading at the by how

971
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 5: do you manage it? This is a guy that is

972
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 5: right on the ledges of the top ten of our

973
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 5: premium midfielders for three seasons in a row, and now

974
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 5: we've got, if you want to go off his best

975
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 5: year twenty five points per game of value based on

976
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 5: his current price point to what he did in twenty

977
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 5: twenty one, which at a guy at ninety is just

978
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 5: wild levels of value. His percentage dropped away in center

979
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 5: bounces and in disposals, but we know injuries was the

980
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 5: causation for that. Some are really fascinated at how Essendon's

981
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 5: midfield mix looks like. To me, merit is unquestionable in

982
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 5: that center bounce role and Parish is not too far

983
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 5: behind it as far as I'm concerned, they can do

984
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 5: a bunch of other different things with that side. They

985
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 5: do have a lot of versatility. But to me, i'd

986
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 5: absolutely put him there soon is the injuries that are

987
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 5: there with twelve games, eighteen game, sixteen games in the

988
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 5: pre three prior seasons. But again, if you don't like

989
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 5: any of the other kind of mid prices that we're

990
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: sitting in there, then I don't mind a piece of him,

991
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 5: that's for sure.

992
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just look at a sort of an average

993
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: season by him is sort of you know, one ten,

994
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: which is yeah, but you'd be pretty happy with that

995
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: at that price, that's for sure. Just yeah, I know

996
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: your essen and supporters sometimes not necessarily does he Perish's

997
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: biggest fan, so it's hard to get a real read

998
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: on where he fits in.

999
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 2: But he pretty much plays midfield, doesn't he. There's no

1000
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: real other spot for.

1001
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 3: Him, so I think as well with that one, especially

1002
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 3: this year, more so, we really just saw Merritt cop

1003
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 3: the brunner of the tags when he wasn't there, So

1004
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure teams will still look to target Merit this

1005
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 3: year just because he was had such a great year

1006
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: last year. So I think that even opens up even

1007
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 3: more scoring potential for someone like Parish.

1008
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah he has he has had some tags in the past,

1009
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: so yeah, you think hopefully that won't be such a

1010
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: big issue this year.

1011
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: So we've been going for a while trying.

1012
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: I've got plenty of names here that we haven't had

1013
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: time to get through, but we might do a very

1014
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: quick run through at the end of some of the

1015
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: names we haven't discussed, and there's something that I still

1016
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: really like, but I'm going to check up one that

1017
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: I just would be keen to hear other people's thoughts

1018
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: on because I'm still not one hundred percent sure, and

1019
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: I think he's a great, great player to discuss, and

1020
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: that is Matthaeus Philip who at three hundred and thirteeny

1021
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: eight hundred, he's a mid forward, so he'd be picking

1022
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: him in your forward line or potentially in the flex

1023
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: if there's so many good mid prices you can't fit

1024
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: them all in, which is where I'm kind of sitting

1025
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: at at the moment. But Price, at just fifty eight,

1026
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: had a really interesting year last year where he really

1027
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: battled in the first half of the year, averaged forty

1028
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: two super Coach points over the first ten rounds, and

1029
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: he went back to the VFL, reportedly told ross Line,

1030
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: I want to go back there and just give me

1031
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: some midfield time and let me learn how to play there,

1032
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: because that's what I want to do. And that's what

1033
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: he did and had some good numbers in the VFL,

1034
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: then came back in round seventeen into the AFL team

1035
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: scored one hundred and twelve in his first game back.

1036
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: Look fantastic, then one hundred and one the next game,

1037
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: had over sixty and cbas in both those games. So

1038
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: he was someone that jumped onto a lot of people's

1039
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: radar and then unfortunately the last month of the year

1040
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: got a little bit derailed. He had a hit problem,

1041
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: missed a couple of games, came back in and scored okay,

1042
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: sort of more in the eighties in his last couple.

1043
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, just leaves him in a really interesting spot

1044
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: coming into twenty twenty five.

1045
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: I mean dots.

1046
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: He talked about Geelong needing a bit of pizaz in

1047
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: the midfield. Willson Kilda, you know you can take that

1048
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: and sort of double it really, you know. They brought

1049
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: in Jack McCrae, who we know is a real workhorse,

1050
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: but he's not exactly a sort of a highlights real

1051
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: kind of player, but Mattheas has shown he can be

1052
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: that obviously sort of what they wanted when they picked him,

1053
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: and I think picked ten in the draft. So yeah,

1054
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: the potential is definitely there, and he's very, very cheap.

1055
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: But even you know, those scores at the end of

1056
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: last year were sort of low tons even sort of

1057
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: more in the eighties. So I guess I think he's

1058
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: definitely a you know, someone who's going to be on

1059
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: the up this year. But how high and expectation can

1060
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: we put on him? I guess it's just probably the

1061
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: thing we need to need to be maybe a little

1062
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: bit wary of. But where do you sit on that,

1063
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: MJO without giving too much away, because I'm sure he's

1064
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: someone who will bob up in the top fifty some stage.

1065
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it don't have to be as hiding that one. Yeah,

1066
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 5: he does appear in the fiftieth, it's pretty safe to say.

1067
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 5: I think you're right about balancing out our expectations because

1068
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 5: a lot has changed it some and Kilda's ball movement

1069
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 5: with the arrival of Jack mccraathey, does anything like Doss

1070
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 5: has suggested in terms of midfield opportunity and market share

1071
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 5: of ball. Brad Krauch wasn't in the side last year anyway.

1072
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 5: Sab Ross was barely in the side through the midfield anyway.

1073
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,959
Speaker 5: So that's the only thing I would say is potentially

1074
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 5: there's a maybe not that premium at a value price

1075
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 5: we all think he's going to be and a season

1076
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 5: long hold. He's going to make us money though, isn't

1077
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 5: he If he's getting through that midfield, he's going to

1078
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 5: generate cash. I fully expect him to be a popular

1079
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 5: mid price for us in super coach. I'd probably just

1080
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 5: temper expect a little bit because McCrae coming in is

1081
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 5: going to take a chunk of that market share of scoring.

1082
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: And bet you, Chloe where you sit on matthaias is

1083
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: he walk up start for you in twenty twenty five.

1084
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 3: Yes he is, But I do share the concern ree

1085
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 3: McCrae's role. But I do still think, yeah, as you said, MJ,

1086
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: he'll definitely make a favorite of money. I will just

1087
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: not as well those last two games where he didn't

1088
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: really have many cbas scored around the eighties. I didn't

1089
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 3: watch the game against Geelong, but I know that the

1090
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 3: game against Carlton final round, Leamstocker was actually in the

1091
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: middle tagging Patrick cripp so that obviously takes one of

1092
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 3: those centabount spots away. So I do really think it

1093
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 3: depends on you know, Ross and his magnets and what

1094
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: he plans to do, which is always a bit of

1095
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: an issue. But I think that Philip is someone who

1096
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: he definitely would have in that spot. I did go

1097
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: down to sid Kilda at the end of last year

1098
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: now we can say last year twenty twenty four, and

1099
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 3: he was looking good. But I think that there's definitely

1100
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 3: a role there for him. But at the same time,

1101
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 3: they do also have Trevalia to try and fit in.

1102
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: Potentially potentially Wilson might roll through there, and then players

1103
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 3: like win Hagar Hunter Clark. So then they also brought

1104
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: in Jack Carroll, so I would just oh and Patti

1105
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 3: Dowe they've got as well. How comes again, so there's

1106
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 3: if you're locking in Steele and McCrae, Yeah, I do

1107
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: think we should temper expectations. I don't think he's necessarily

1108
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 3: a lock in their midfield when you've got so many

1109
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: of those other names floating around that they the club

1110
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 3: also do seem to rate a few of those guys too,

1111
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: so it will definitely be an interesting watch. But maybe

1112
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: some quick early money and move him on, but I

1113
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: definitely plan to start him in my side.

1114
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's where a lot of us sit

1115
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: at this stage, but as always, the preseason will tell

1116
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: us a lot more. But Doc, I know you've got

1117
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: a little list where it's probably not a little list

1118
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: because there's a even of other names that we didn't

1119
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: get and we put out some social media call out.

1120
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: Was there anybody that people wanted us to talk about

1121
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: them we've missed.

1122
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's stacks obviously, but I'll just touch

1123
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 4: on some of the names, and you know, if anyone

1124
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 4: here wants to have a quick word about any go ahead.

1125
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 4: Otherwise I might just throw it to one or two

1126
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 4: really key names before we sign off. But Colby mccirtcheer

1127
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 4: is one that's been mentioned. He's just under five hundred,

1128
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 4: He's at four seventy six k. Plenty of names we

1129
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 4: did mention, by the way getting repeatedly mentioned. So I

1130
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 4: think we have touched on some of the real popular

1131
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 4: ones here. Harry Perryman is one, We've got, Finn Callahan

1132
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: was an interesting one, you know, given GWS did lose

1133
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 4: James Petling, that could be a really interesting one to

1134
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 4: see who fits in their midfield this year. George Wardlow

1135
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 4: the phantoms man in there as well. For sixty k

1136
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 4: for George Wardlaw you have to pay very awkward price.

1137
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 4: Jake Saligo. Even one really popular one that we haven't mentioned,

1138
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 4: Will Ashcroft at four hundred and forty one k, has

1139
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 4: been mentioned a couple of times. I've seen sort of

1140
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 4: a mixed mixed feeling in the community just because of

1141
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 4: that early buy I think for Will Ashcroft. But Chloe,

1142
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 4: we haven't had you on the show so far this year.

1143
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 4: What's your thoughts on on Will Ashcroft? Starting with him

1144
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: this year the reigning Norm Smith medallist.

1145
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: This is probably bad, but I actually can't remember off

1146
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: the top of my head whether he's in my current

1147
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: team picker because I've done that many of them. But yes,

1148
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: most of the time, four hundred and forty is a

1149
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: bit of an awkward price, but I think for him

1150
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 3: it could turn out.

1151
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: To be quite as steal.

1152
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: Obviously they've already got a great midfield up at the

1153
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 3: lines anyway, But I mean we all saw what he

1154
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 3: did in the Grand Finals, and to do have that

1155
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: much impact after coming off the ACL. Everybody knows, it's

1156
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: documented all over his socials, how hard he works, how

1157
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: much he trains. So I just think you can't question

1158
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 3: the fact that he'll get even better. So in the

1159
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: finals one hundred and thirteen, the seventy four and then

1160
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty eight super coach in the Grand Final.

1161
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: That's just insane considering it's a Grand Final. So I

1162
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 3: think that you definitely, yeah, he's definitely you have to consider,

1163
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: as I said, one hundred percent or that he's in

1164
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: there at the moment. But if he isn't, then the

1165
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: plan is to get him in after that. Buy it,

1166
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 3: because yeah, I think he's in for a strong year.

1167
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's such a tough one in that they've just

1168
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: got such a loaded midfield. But are we just ignoring

1169
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 4: something that's just so obvious. This guy's continually improving, he's

1170
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 4: likely going to be in that midfield mix. And if

1171
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 4: he's not, he's still just a natural scorer on the outside,

1172
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 4: can do it all, you know, stood up in the

1173
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 4: on the biggest stage on the planet. Do we just

1174
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 4: ignore his buy and bring him in? I know MJ.

1175
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 4: He will no doubt be another one that is appearing.

1176
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 4: But your just brief thoughts on Willer Ashcroft for this

1177
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: coming season.

1178
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 5: The beautiful thing is we're protected with Opening Round, aren't

1179
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 5: we. We get a look at and a sea of it,

1180
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 5: and he's only going to have the one price movement

1181
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 5: in Super Coach before he hits the buy and gets

1182
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 5: on buy, and we can almost take a little bit

1183
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 5: of a luxury look and see, not just with what

1184
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 5: he does in Opening Around, but if any of these

1185
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 5: mid prices through the midfield that we've mentioned, let alone

1186
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 5: more that I'm sure of the social media questions there, Dossie,

1187
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 5: if one of them just die for you, it's like

1188
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 5: it's a really easy parachute option over to Ashcroft. So

1189
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 5: the beauty of him is, even if he does come

1190
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 5: out of the gates and go ninety five to one

1191
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 5: hundred and you're like, oh, it's not bad, it's not amazing,

1192
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 5: it's still good. You can jump over to him really easy,

1193
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 5: and what maybe thirty to fifty thousand dollars eighty thousand

1194
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 5: dollars that you're not banking on. So just because you

1195
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 5: don't start him, I think he's still pretty relevant regardless.

1196
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great point opening around something that we

1197
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 4: should consider that. You know, all our teams are going

1198
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 4: to just drastically change after that, and we'll have to

1199
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 4: talk to a massive podcast after that one to just

1200
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,479
Speaker 4: take in all that information out. But yeah, look, we've

1201
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 4: touched on a bunch of the people that people want

1202
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 4: to hear about on social So I think I'm pretty

1203
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 4: happy with that al and a pretty solid podcast. I'll

1204
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 4: hand it over to you.

1205
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's a few other names among as.

1206
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: We can have another month or two to talk about

1207
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 2: all these guys, but Luke Park is one.

1208
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: That I initially thought, well, he's probably just going to

1209
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: be too expensive, but he's actually really jeep, so just

1210
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: just don't don't forget about him. I mean, North's going

1211
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: to be really hard. You mentioned even Kobe McKercher. You know,

1212
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: we probably want to pick Harry. She's all, you know,

1213
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: able to use getting a lot of talk as well,

1214
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: like how many of these North guys can we actually

1215
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: pick in who's going to get the midfield minutes? But yeah,

1216
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: Park is one that's just to keep an eye at

1217
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: only three hundred and forty k so three forty three,

1218
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: so yeah, a lot of value there.

1219
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: And another guy.

1220
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: Which I'm not very happy with the fact that he

1221
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: left Richmond, but I think Shae Bolden is going to

1222
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: slot in at Fremantle and I can just maybe it's

1223
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: my pessimistic Tiger fan thinking, but I can just see

1224
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: him being in an absolute star there. Just seems to

1225
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: me the exact type of player that they need. We

1226
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: talk about Bizaz and adding a bit of spark, whether

1227
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: it's in the midfield or in the fur line. You'll

1228
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: probably start forward of center most of the time, I imagine,

1229
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: But doesn't mean he can't score super coach points because

1230
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: all those goals and score involvements and inside fifties and

1231
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: things are are all good for scoring. And we know

1232
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: he's a guy who has shown he has a massive ceiling.

1233
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: You can drop a really bad game every now and then,

1234
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: but with the flex maybe that gives you cover for

1235
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: you can can get away with a few of those

1236
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: over the course of the year and just really enjoy

1237
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: those really really massive scores, which.

1238
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: I expect will be coming again. Frio have a great draw.

1239
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: I think they do play the Tigers fairly early on,

1240
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: and they've got a derby against the Eagles early too,

1241
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: so there's a potential there to bank some early points.

1242
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: So he's another name that might somehow try and fit

1243
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: into my forward line. I mean, I thought the forward

1244
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: line was going to be the spot for all the

1245
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: mid prices, but after today there's there's a heap in

1246
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: the midfield as well. So yeah, you could, as we

1247
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: said off the top, you can nearly pick a whole

1248
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: team of them going into twenty twenty five. But yeah,

1249
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: plenty plenty more to talk about over the coming months

1250
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: and in well month or two in pre season. And

1251
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: as I said, there's a whole other batch of guys

1252
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: even cheaper than.

1253
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: That that we can look at as well.

1254
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: That will be there was too many of them to

1255
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: fit into this show, so we've had to break it

1256
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: out and give them a whole show to themselves next week.

1257
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 1: So plenty of cheap are your names to talk about

1258
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: in Super Coach year for sure.

1259
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 4: No doubt. Yeah we've got that coming. We're going to

1260
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 4: talk premiums as well, obviously, the guys that are going

1261
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 4: to hold our team together. But thanks so much for

1262
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 4: joining us, MJ. Just give us. But anyone that hasn't

1263
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 4: listened to your fantastic show and I just saw you know,

1264
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 4: the number forty four and the most relevant Adam Cher.

1265
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to go listen to that podcast

1266
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 4: after here, but just give us a shout out to

1267
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 4: where we can find you.

1268
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can search for the Coaches panel anywhere across

1269
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 5: social media x, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. We're all there. Yep,

1270
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 5: my forty year old man on TikTok. I'm really devastated

1271
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 5: by that, but that's totally okay. Wherever you get your

1272
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 5: audio podcasts, just simply search for the Coaches panel and

1273
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 5: then we're on YouTube as well with the video feed,

1274
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 5: so make sure you check it out. We're collaborating with

1275
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 5: some of the great Super Coach content creators and Dossi

1276
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 5: as well will also be in that.

1277
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 4: No worries Well, thanks everyone for listening. Thanks Al and

1278
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 4: Chloe as well for jumping on. And you can find

1279
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 4: us obviously as well on YouTube Code Sports if you're

1280
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 4: not already watching here, that's where you can find all

1281
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 4: the Supercoach AFL shows and then Spotify Apple would really

1282
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 4: appreciate a rating and review. Going to be plenty more

1283
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 4: shows to come, Like I said, next up, we've got

1284
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 4: bargains below three hundred K, then we're going to be

1285
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 4: talking some premiums, and it just goes on in pre season.

1286
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 4: So thanks everyone for listening and we'll see you next time.