WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 11 June

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<v Speaker 1>On scorn Leeds Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Wider Panalty Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Good evening and welcome to the readA Panety Show coming

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<v Speaker 3>up tonight, A packed program. The Great Douglas Murray joins

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<v Speaker 3>me shortly to discuss everything from Oprah and Jasinda Dern's

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<v Speaker 3>seconding love into the Australian Left fawning over Greta Thunberg.

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<v Speaker 3>Senator Drinda Cox accuses the Greens of being deeply racist

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<v Speaker 3>and tolerating a culture of violence. The panel will be

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<v Speaker 3>here to cover that and much more. We'll have the

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<v Speaker 3>latest from the US as whole show, Donald Trump recording

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<v Speaker 3>a huge surge in support from migrant voters, legal migrants,

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<v Speaker 3>and left is losing. It features more than one Democrat

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<v Speaker 3>lying about the riots, including this congress woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't miss the part you are.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't think that somehow because they called out the National Guard,

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<v Speaker 4>there was valor, there was no violence.

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<v Speaker 5>But first let's bring in the panel.

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<v Speaker 3>Joining me now to this gus Today's headlines is Sky

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<v Speaker 3>News contributor Primi Sween and research fellow at the Institute

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<v Speaker 3>of Public Affairs Saxon Davidson.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's start with the Greens.

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<v Speaker 3>Their well former Green turned Labor senator during the Cox

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<v Speaker 3>has accused the party of tolerating a culture that permits

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<v Speaker 3>violence against First Nations women within its structures, and in

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<v Speaker 3>her resignation letter, she also said that the party is

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<v Speaker 3>deeply racist, while referring to an incident where she says

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<v Speaker 3>she was assaulted at Perth Airport by a party member,

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<v Speaker 3>which was ignored. Indeed, I was advised not to report

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<v Speaker 3>it to police. And incidents involving my staff who were

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<v Speaker 3>isolated by the state and other MP's officers pro.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll start with you.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a pretty serious allegations right here. Do the

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<v Speaker 3>Greens have a problem with race? Are they a racist party?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 6>I wouldn't think so when you look at the makeup

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<v Speaker 6>of the Greens. But this is one angry woman, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 6>You know she's just going to get even as much

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<v Speaker 6>as she can. I believe she approached Labor and joined

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<v Speaker 6>them because she had a hissy fit because she wasn't

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<v Speaker 6>voted Green leader. She thought that the Grass was going

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<v Speaker 6>to be greener with Labor. But of course, prior to that,

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<v Speaker 6>when she'd left Labor to join the Greens, she found

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<v Speaker 6>them really patronizing towards women and indigenous people.

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<v Speaker 2>So now of course.

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<v Speaker 6>She's back, and I think she'll fit really well into

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<v Speaker 6>labor because she's a mean girl.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's full of mean girls.

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<v Speaker 6>But to be making these accusations she's a political opportunitist.

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<v Speaker 5>Well Saxon.

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<v Speaker 3>If she has been a victim of violence or that

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<v Speaker 3>incident at Perth Airport where she said she was assaulted,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's really quite important that she takes action,

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<v Speaker 3>whether she lodges a formal complaint with the party or

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<v Speaker 3>with police. I know she says she was told not

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<v Speaker 3>to at the time, but she's no longer a member

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<v Speaker 3>of the Greens and you would think it would be

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<v Speaker 3>the responsible thing to do to report this matter.

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<v Speaker 7>It's absolutely the responsible thing to do that if you've

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<v Speaker 7>been assaulted, as Senator Derindacox has alleged, that you report

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<v Speaker 7>it to the police. It's the natural thing to do

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<v Speaker 7>and the right thing to do. But I just wanted

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<v Speaker 7>to add to this whole thing is that the Greens

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<v Speaker 7>are the party that represents the most extreme version of wokness,

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<v Speaker 7>the most extreme version of identity politics, and it is

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<v Speaker 7>the natural consequence of all these ideas put into one

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<v Speaker 7>that they're going to turn into each other because all

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<v Speaker 7>of their policies pit everybody against each other. That is

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<v Speaker 7>the natural consequence of this extreme form of wokeness that

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<v Speaker 7>they all represent. And so of course the party members

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<v Speaker 7>are going to go after one another because they've been

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<v Speaker 7>trying to piece Australians and the general public of Australians

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<v Speaker 7>again each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I find that those who are obsessed with race and

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<v Speaker 3>racial issues often do find themselves on the wrong side

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<v Speaker 3>of these issues because they see everything through that filter

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<v Speaker 3>of racial politics. Now, US Secretary of State Mark or

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<v Speaker 3>Arubio has unleashed on a number of nations, including Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>for placing sanctions on two senior Israeli ministers, the National

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<v Speaker 3>Security Minister and the Finance Minister. Ribio said in a

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<v Speaker 3>statement that these sanctions do not advance US led efforts

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<v Speaker 3>to cheap a cease fire, bring all hostages home, and

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<v Speaker 3>end the war, and that the United States urges the

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<v Speaker 3>reversal of the sanctions and stands shoulder to shoulder with Israel.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's what Australia is.

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<v Speaker 3>A Foreign Minister, Penny Wong had to say about this matter.

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<v Speaker 8>Australia has applied targeted financial sanctions and travel bands to

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<v Speaker 8>two senior ministers in the Israeli government it Ministers Bengevie

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<v Speaker 8>and Smotrich, for their role in serious human rights violations

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<v Speaker 8>and abuses relating to Israeli settler violence in the West Bank.

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<v Speaker 8>We have applied those measures in coordination with Canada, New Zealand,

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<v Speaker 8>Norway and the United Kingdom, and together these countries are

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<v Speaker 8>sending a message you have ignored the international community and

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<v Speaker 8>we do not tolerate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Saxon, what is this action by Australia and a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of other countries, UK, Canada, Norway, New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 5>What's it likely to achieve.

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<v Speaker 7>It's probably going to worsen the massive anti Semitism crisis

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<v Speaker 7>that we have here in Australia that we've witnessed ever

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<v Speaker 7>since October seventh and twenty twenty three. I mean, other

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<v Speaker 7>than that, I don't see any point why we should

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<v Speaker 7>involve ourselves in a conflict in the Middle East, particularly,

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<v Speaker 7>and also we should not be undermining the only liberal

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<v Speaker 7>democracy in the Middle East in a war against terrorism.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think this is will achieved months much in

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<v Speaker 7>the broader global politic, but it will certainly found the

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<v Speaker 7>flames of anti sensus.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, certainly upset the Americans prove. I mean, that is

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<v Speaker 3>not a good situation. Right before the PM is due

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<v Speaker 3>to meet with President Trump. To have the US condemning

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<v Speaker 3>our action, you really have got to wonder what we

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<v Speaker 3>are thinking.

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<v Speaker 6>It's going to be quite an uncomfortable meeting. I think

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<v Speaker 6>for alban easy with Trump because we're out of step

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<v Speaker 6>with them in so many ways. But this in particular,

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<v Speaker 6>this government hasn't got a mandate. They didn't go to

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<v Speaker 6>the voters and say that this is what they're going

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<v Speaker 6>to do to Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>How dare they?

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<v Speaker 6>And it's so extraordinary that we have this situation where

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<v Speaker 6>we have a democracy, the only democracy that in the

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<v Speaker 6>Middle East, that is being attacked and sanctioned by so.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the rest of US.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's appalling what's going on.

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<v Speaker 6>What about the misdirection of your anks to ham us

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<v Speaker 6>the terrorists, That's what you sho should be doing. And

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<v Speaker 6>the fact that Albanize is going to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>coming cap in hand to Trump about the tariffs and

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<v Speaker 6>the trade. Plus of course he's got to somehow's you know,

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<v Speaker 6>defend his lack of spending on defense and now this

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<v Speaker 6>it's going to be a very uncomfortable meeting.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not making it easy for himself.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, before you go to go, I need to get

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<v Speaker 3>your take on the project being no more. It's been

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<v Speaker 3>revealed now that nearly one hundred jobs will be impacted

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<v Speaker 3>by Channel ten's decision to acts. It's a flagship current

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<v Speaker 3>carent affairs program. It's been on air sixteen years. There

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<v Speaker 3>were reportedly proof tears in the newsroom as a Channel

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<v Speaker 3>ten president Beverly mcgavey address staffed and told them that

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<v Speaker 3>the lefty talkfest shouldn't call it that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's my term.

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<v Speaker 3>She said, it just doesn't stack up any longer. She

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<v Speaker 3>also said it's a click baity show and you guys

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<v Speaker 3>had to live through that. But I think more than anything,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot to be proud of, and we're really

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<v Speaker 3>proud of the show, and we're really sad this day

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<v Speaker 3>had to come, and it's just a reality that it

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<v Speaker 3>did well. I don't know how sad she is. Those

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<v Speaker 3>comments are a little bit all over the place. Proue

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<v Speaker 3>are you going to miss the project? And know some

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<v Speaker 3>people like hate watching.

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<v Speaker 6>It, Well, frankly, I've never I can't stand it. I

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<v Speaker 6>would never watch it because a bunch of poor community

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<v Speaker 6>medians trying to be funny about, you know, woke things

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<v Speaker 6>just doesn't cut it. And the writing's been on the

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<v Speaker 6>wall for that show. It's been on borrowed time for

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<v Speaker 6>so long because the ratings have been so pathetic and

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<v Speaker 6>they've been out of sync. That and Q and A

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<v Speaker 6>I will be dancing on their graves. I'm very sad

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<v Speaker 6>for the people who've lost their jobs, the people behind

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<v Speaker 6>the news, the cameras, But otherwise, good riddance.

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<v Speaker 5>Saxon.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a millennial, You're the target demographic for this program.

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<v Speaker 5>Will you miss it?

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<v Speaker 3>Have you been hate watching it or in fact admiring it?

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<v Speaker 5>No, I will not miss it.

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<v Speaker 7>And this whole thing really I mean, if a tree

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<v Speaker 7>falls in the forest and no one sees, it didn't

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<v Speaker 7>really happen. It's the same with Q and A. As

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<v Speaker 7>Pruce said, this isn't going to really change the media

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<v Speaker 7>diet of many Australians. I'm surprised it's survived for sixteen years.

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<v Speaker 7>Considering that, I mean, the ratings have been suffering ever

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<v Speaker 7>since or twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, it's almost a decade ago. Now,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm really surprised it has lasted this long and I

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<v Speaker 7>don't think this will meaningfully change any Australian's life.

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<v Speaker 5>Well no, but it will.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we have enjoyed the content occasionally because it

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<v Speaker 3>does give me a little bit of a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of content to play with for Lefties Losing It and

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<v Speaker 3>other related segments.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, I'm getting no love for the program.

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<v Speaker 3>This is now the second night where I've had just

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<v Speaker 3>a panel who refused to have watched this program. How

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<v Speaker 3>can this be sixteen years? It's one logis Saxon Davidson.

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<v Speaker 5>From McSween thank you for your time tonight, joining.

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<v Speaker 3>Me now is one of the finest thinkers of his generation,

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<v Speaker 3>an author of best selling works, including his latest on

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<v Speaker 3>democracies and death cults.

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<v Speaker 5>Douglas Murray.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a new author who hopes to be an international

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<v Speaker 3>best seller to She has a book called A Different

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of Power, and she's got oprah sprooking it.

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<v Speaker 2>The different kind of power is kindness.

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely, It's all those things that you think are weaknesses

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<v Speaker 9>or a taught a weaknesses.

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<v Speaker 6>Empathy, sensitivity, self doubt and humility.

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<v Speaker 2>That powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>Douglas, you've called Lisinda Adirn, the Queen of performative.

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<v Speaker 5>Caring in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>Did she exercise what she preaches when she was Prime

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<v Speaker 3>Minister of New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, very much not.

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<v Speaker 9>And it's so bewildering that clip with Oprah because Jasindra

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<v Speaker 9>Arden says all the things we're taught the weaknesses like empathy.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm sorry, as I know in the education systems across

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<v Speaker 9>Western countries it's nothing but empathy. Most of politics, the

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<v Speaker 9>media and education is all that we should all be

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<v Speaker 9>as empathetic as possible and we have to understand other people,

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<v Speaker 9>and we're not taught that that's a weakness. If anything,

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<v Speaker 9>everyone is overstuffed with the idea that it's the single

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<v Speaker 9>greatest virtue and as just into our edit, shwe and

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<v Speaker 9>demonstrated I when she was premier. The fact is that

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<v Speaker 9>it doesn't get you very far, certainly doesn't get you everywhere.

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<v Speaker 9>Simply being somebody who says they feel empathy or speaking

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<v Speaker 9>in a sort of broken husky voice, sounds like it's

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<v Speaker 9>going to crack with emotion at any moment because you're

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<v Speaker 9>just so overwhelmed with empathy. Can actually do some pretty

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<v Speaker 9>mean and unpleasant things to people, like going through the

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<v Speaker 9>harshest lockdowns of I think any country outside of the

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<v Speaker 9>communist world during the COVID pandemic, it's quite extraordinary. And

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<v Speaker 9>also from somebody who says that things like self doubt

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<v Speaker 9>taught as sort of things that are problems. Again, no,

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<v Speaker 9>I mean I wish Cindra Aden had had more self doubt.

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<v Speaker 9>She said on the recent book tour that she think

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<v Speaker 9>she wasn't sort of suited to be Prime minister. I

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<v Speaker 9>wish she'd have that self doubt a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 9>because she could have saved her countrymen an awful lot

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<v Speaker 9>of heartache.

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<v Speaker 3>She could have had all that sensitivity and empathy was

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<v Speaker 3>missing when she was even preventing doug pregnant New Zealand

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<v Speaker 3>women from returning home. There was a case I covered

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<v Speaker 3>at the time of a woman who had to reach

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<v Speaker 3>out to the Taliban for help because she was in

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<v Speaker 3>Afghanistan because New Zealand would not permit her to return

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<v Speaker 3>to give birth to her child.

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<v Speaker 5>But while we're.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking about performative caring, Greta Thunberg has been deported from

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<v Speaker 3>Israel in economy class the humanity or dear and Douglas.

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<v Speaker 3>President Donald Trump wants her to consider anger management classes.

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<v Speaker 10>She's a strange person. She's a young, angry person. I

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<v Speaker 10>don't know if it's real anger. It's hard to believe, actually,

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<v Speaker 10>but I saw what happened anger management. I think she

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<v Speaker 10>has to go to an anger management class. That's my

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<v Speaker 10>primary recommendation for her.

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<v Speaker 3>But Greta remains a heroine too many, including to this

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<v Speaker 3>far left activist in Australia. She's an influencer who recently

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<v Speaker 3>Douglas gave an address at the National Press.

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<v Speaker 11>Club raising awareness, drawing attention to, and growing media coverage

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<v Speaker 11>for this genocide that Israel is perpetraarying against Palestinians is

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<v Speaker 11>not Instagram activism or social media selfies. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 11>the fact that raising awareness is not weakness and that's

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<v Speaker 11>not performative.

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<v Speaker 5>Douglas, what's your response to that? Is that heroism?

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<v Speaker 3>Is she using her privilege for good as that activist claims.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, first of all, I've never been a fan of

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<v Speaker 9>Greta Thunberg. I wasn't a fan of hers, even when

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<v Speaker 9>she was effectively created as a construct to make people

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<v Speaker 9>make it masic. It impossible to oppose her because you remember,

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<v Speaker 9>she was a school truned from Sweden, and not only

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<v Speaker 9>was she a child, but she was also was she

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<v Speaker 9>autistic or something so you couldn't criticize her or everyone said,

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<v Speaker 9>why are you beating up on the autistic girl child

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<v Speaker 9>who simply wants to wreck all of our economies? And like,

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<v Speaker 9>why would you, why would you say anything negative about her?

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<v Speaker 9>And of course it was just it was a total

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<v Speaker 9>political stunt. She's clearly just sort of created in more

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<v Speaker 9>than one ways by her parents to sort of be

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<v Speaker 9>this weapon against fossil fuels and so on. I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>she knew nothing about that. She knew nothing about energy

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<v Speaker 9>costs or fossil fuel extraction or anything else. I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>she just left school early to be demonstrably even more

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<v Speaker 9>ignorant than she would have been. And then through some

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<v Speaker 9>weird part of her autism, perhaps she moved from loving

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<v Speaker 9>the green movement to loving the green movement of Hamas

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<v Speaker 9>and so often said, she's color consistent at any rate,

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<v Speaker 9>they talk about a genocide which is not going on.

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<v Speaker 9>But as we now know from this, yes obviously performative

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<v Speaker 9>piece of activism where they turned up with a boat

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<v Speaker 9>full of Instagrammers and less aid than Israel gets in

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<v Speaker 9>every other hour in normal times. This performative thing of

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<v Speaker 9>trying to land in Gaza. I mean, in a way

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<v Speaker 9>I was sorry that she didn't land, because it would

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<v Speaker 9>have been interesting to see the welcome that Hamaz might

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<v Speaker 9>have given her. But of course, what we know about

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<v Speaker 9>Greta Funberg and this is her unbelievable ignorance of the

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<v Speaker 9>conflict that she was actually trying to sail into this time.

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<v Speaker 9>The reports are that when the Israelis board of the

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<v Speaker 9>ship took them safely to port in I think an

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<v Speaker 9>ash DoD, and they were trying to show the activists

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<v Speaker 9>the footage that Hamas took themselves on October seventh of

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<v Speaker 9>their enormous pride in earth raping and butchering as ready

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<v Speaker 9>women and others, and Greta Thunberg and co. Apparently turned

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<v Speaker 9>their faces away because they didn't want to see the

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<v Speaker 9>reality that started this war. Certainly this phase of the wall,

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<v Speaker 9>they didn't want to see it. So once again, these

0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.479
<v Speaker 9>people are about raising awareness and someone they will literally

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<v Speaker 9>turn their faces away from reality if it doesn't fit

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<v Speaker 9>their bigoted, blinkered picture an idea of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And she was asked about that once she got off

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<v Speaker 3>the plane Douglas and she I think referred to the

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<v Speaker 3>footage as propaganda and she wasn't going to watch that propaganda.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is quite incredible because, as you know, you've

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<v Speaker 3>seen that footage.

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<v Speaker 5>I've seen that footage.

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<v Speaker 3>It comes mainly from her mass they're the ones who

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<v Speaker 3>filmed it, and it's the work they're very proud of.

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<v Speaker 3>So for her not to even have a look at

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<v Speaker 3>what started this war just shows you where she's at.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go to the La riots. We've seen incredible scenes

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<v Speaker 3>of violence and destruction, lootying, arson, police officers being attacked,

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<v Speaker 3>and curiously, or perhaps not curiously, we've seen the Mexican

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<v Speaker 3>flag flying high through a lot of these protests, whilst

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<v Speaker 3>the American flag has been burnt, it's been spat on,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been stomped on. Here is one protester explaining why

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<v Speaker 3>he's desecrating the American flag.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dragging them because they're dragging us. Immigrants built this city.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no denying that, and when they're trying to take

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<v Speaker 2>that out, it's not okay.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just not okay, Douglas.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump could not have hoped for a better ad

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<v Speaker 3>for his immigration and his deportation policies then what we

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<v Speaker 3>are seeing in La right now. Just the violence and

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<v Speaker 3>destruction and lawlessness is I think just lending further weight

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<v Speaker 3>to his policies.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, if, funny enough, all of this ties up together,

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<v Speaker 9>doesn't it reta? I mean the Democrat policy of sanctuary cities,

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<v Speaker 9>where if people break into America illegally and then are

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<v Speaker 9>in the these cities will act as sanctuaries for them

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<v Speaker 9>have caused cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco to

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<v Speaker 9>become even Slamia than they were in the lead up

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<v Speaker 9>to this under massive amounts of Democrat rule. I mean

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<v Speaker 9>up to twelve million people around that as a conservative estimate,

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<v Speaker 9>broke illegally into the United States during the Biden administration,

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<v Speaker 9>and the Trump administration has said that they want to

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<v Speaker 9>prioritize deporting the more than half a million illegal migrants

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<v Speaker 9>who have criminal records, and it was a raided to

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<v Speaker 9>try to arrest criminals in Los Angeles that has led

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<v Speaker 9>to this outburst of rioting, of attacks on American lease

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<v Speaker 9>and others. And once again we see this odd thing

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<v Speaker 9>in our time. The Democrats when they decided not to

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<v Speaker 9>police the border and just to encourage people in, and

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<v Speaker 9>to encourage people in that include criminals, and yes, include

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<v Speaker 9>some people who want to be law abiding once they're

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<v Speaker 9>in the United States, but are costing American taxpayers whilst

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<v Speaker 9>they're being there by their presence, by Social Security that

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<v Speaker 9>they sign up for, and much more. It's they still

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<v Speaker 9>pretend that it's the empathetic good thing to do to

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<v Speaker 9>encourage from the border onwards literal lawlessness, and that anyone,

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<v Speaker 9>including federal agents who are trying to enforce the law,

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<v Speaker 9>are the bad guys. I mean, this is upside down

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<v Speaker 9>to a crazy extent, and your right reader, there couldn't

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<v Speaker 9>be a better boost to what President Trump is actually

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<v Speaker 9>trying to do, because he keeps saying these people who

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<v Speaker 9>are coming include people who hate our country. And then

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<v Speaker 9>the American public see people lauding the Mexican flag and

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<v Speaker 9>Palestinian flags and all of the others of course, and

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<v Speaker 9>literally burning the American flag, protecting foreign criminals, and assaulting

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<v Speaker 9>American police officers. I don't doubt that in a small

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<v Speaker 9>amount of the online left and fairly large numbers of

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<v Speaker 9>people on the streets of LA they want to back

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<v Speaker 9>the lawlessness and attack the police. But I think the

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<v Speaker 9>American public, as they demonstrated last year when they voted

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<v Speaker 9>Donald Trump back into office, have demonstrated that actually they

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<v Speaker 9>do side with the police. The American public do side

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<v Speaker 9>with law and order. They don't side with people who

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<v Speaker 9>pretend that it's the police that provoke disorder rather than

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<v Speaker 9>the rioters. They don't fall for this idea that innocent

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<v Speaker 9>people are just expressing their fear about about ice or

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<v Speaker 9>anything else, and that therefore they can't resist going and

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<v Speaker 9>looting the local apple store in la I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 9>so upside down all of this. And until we get

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<v Speaker 9>past this era in which doing the wrong thing is

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<v Speaker 9>celebrated and doing the right thing is condemned, we are

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<v Speaker 9>going to continue to be in all of our countries

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<v Speaker 9>in unbelievable trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, before you go, I want to ask about the

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<v Speaker 3>fantastic piece you had for this Spectator in recent days

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<v Speaker 3>on Richard Hermer's campaign against Britain. That's the headline. Douglas

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<v Speaker 3>is the Attorney General. He says he just wants to

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<v Speaker 3>make the world a better place. Why do you say

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<v Speaker 3>he has a campaign against Britain.

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<v Speaker 9>Once again, somebody who just wants to make the world

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<v Speaker 9>a better place. And in the case of the Attorney

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<v Speaker 9>General of England and Wales has in doing so, consistently

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<v Speaker 9>warred against his own country. He's getting cover from other

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<v Speaker 9>lawyers about this, you say, oh, no, he just accidentally

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<v Speaker 9>ended up as the lawyer for shin fein IRA's Jerry Adams.

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<v Speaker 9>He just you know, it happened to be his turn

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<v Speaker 9>to represent al Qaeda terrorists, after al Qaeda terrorists, Isis

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<v Speaker 9>families and so on, as if it could have happened

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<v Speaker 9>to anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>But that wasn't the case.

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<v Speaker 9>Hermer's campaign for years as a lawyer has picked up

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<v Speaker 9>every sort of anti British person he could and represented

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<v Speaker 9>them as hard as he could. It's again, it's it's

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<v Speaker 9>so bewildering in so many of our countries that in

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<v Speaker 9>the West that we have so many people in very

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<v Speaker 9>powerful positions who are who are against the countries whose

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<v Speaker 9>people they're meant to be supporting they're meant to be representing.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I'm just amazed.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 9>I would like the British government to have the interests

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<v Speaker 9>of the British people at heart, as I would like

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<v Speaker 9>the Australian government to have the cares of the Australian

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<v Speaker 9>people at heart, and the American government have the cares

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<v Speaker 9>of the American people at heart. But again and again

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:05.000
<v Speaker 9>we have elected and in this case unelected representatives who

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<v Speaker 9>just seem to have spent their career hating the country

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<v Speaker 9>that they then want to represent. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 9>we've done in all of our countries to deserve people

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<v Speaker 9>at the top of our societies who are meant to

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<v Speaker 9>be looking out for us, looking out for everyone apart

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<v Speaker 9>from us.

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<v Speaker 3>There's this self loathing that is so prevalent, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>And in the political class, in the activist academic class,

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<v Speaker 3>amongst celebrities, it's fairly dominant in the culture, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty disturbing. And I noticed the Attorney General recently compared

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<v Speaker 3>the Tories and reformed to the Nazis, so he's as

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<v Speaker 3>a great thinker as well.

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<v Speaker 5>They're Douglas Murray. He has apologized for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Great pleasure as always.

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<v Speaker 5>Still to karma lefties losing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus Donald Trump records a huge surge and support from.

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<v Speaker 5>Migrant at the left, and see that coming. Tinum McQueen

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<v Speaker 5>has the lagers.

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<v Speaker 3>You're watching the Rita Patty Show, and it's time for

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<v Speaker 3>lefties losing it and the hopeless. LA Mayor has called

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<v Speaker 3>for a curfew as a violence and destruction continues. But

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<v Speaker 3>don't tell Maxine Waters that. No, the veteran Democrat congresswoman

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<v Speaker 3>claims there's no violence.

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<v Speaker 4>Even those who were out of step with what we're advocating.

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<v Speaker 2>Peaceful protest did not create any violence. Nobody was shock,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody was killed. Get it in your head. And so when.

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<v Speaker 4>Martial law is called, what are you going to say?

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<v Speaker 4>I missed the pont don't miss the point. You all

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<v Speaker 4>don't think that somehow because they called out the National

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<v Speaker 4>Guard there was vital There was no violence.

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<v Speaker 2>I was on the street, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, and I went from downtown Detention back out into

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<v Speaker 4>the community talking to people. What happened in Paramount, what

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<v Speaker 4>happened in come To, what happened in Inglewood. So first

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<v Speaker 4>of all, get it straight and don't just rely on

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<v Speaker 4>what you've been told.

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<v Speaker 2>Are the few incidents that you start.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no violence. You all are just believe Maxine Waters.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't believe your lying eyes. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is wondering

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<v Speaker 3>whether all the violence and arson is the work of

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<v Speaker 3>mysterious anarchists or is it just the exuberance of the moment.

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<v Speaker 12>When there is a gathering, a large gathering of people,

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<v Speaker 12>the anarchists see it as an opportunity and they move in.

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<v Speaker 12>So always have to be careful whether you see a

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<v Speaker 12>burned car or broken window or whatever it is. It

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<v Speaker 12>may be the exuberance of the moment, but it may

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<v Speaker 12>be the anarchist setting.

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<v Speaker 5>In exuberance of the moment. Unbelievable. But the lines did

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<v Speaker 5>not stop there from Nancy.

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<v Speaker 3>She also said this earlier today, and what you're about

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<v Speaker 3>to hear is the opposite of what actually happened on

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<v Speaker 3>January sixth.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the only riot in.

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<v Speaker 3>The past decade the Democrats haven't loved.

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<v Speaker 12>On January sixth, with violence against the Constitution, against the Congress,

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:18.880
<v Speaker 12>and against the United States Capital. We begged the President

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 12>of the United States to send in the National Guard.

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 12>He would not do it. Not only would he not

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 12>do it when law enforcement people were being harmed. Let

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 12>some leader have died. Who will not send it in?

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<v Speaker 3>Where does one start? No, Nancy did not request the

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:42.880
<v Speaker 3>National Guard. It was Donald Trump who urged their use.

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:45.880
<v Speaker 3>It was Nancy Pelosi, who was speaker then, who ignored

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:49.119
<v Speaker 3>that urging and ignored the desperate cause of the Capitol

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 3>police chief who wanted back up, and of course no

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 3>cops were killed on January sixth, or because of January sixth.

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<v Speaker 5>All these people do is lie and.

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 3>These protests, these it's are spreading to other Democrat strongholds

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:06.879
<v Speaker 3>like New York, Chicago, San Francisco. Let's see this interaction

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 3>in New York and doesn't this sum up the anti

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 3>Trump left. Watch these two white protesters mock a black

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:17.440
<v Speaker 3>woman who just wants to go to work to feed

0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:28.440
<v Speaker 3>her kids.

0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 2>I can't know, you could just know.

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 5>How is it the people.

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Not only do they ignore her please and lecture her

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 3>that this is peace as they block the roads, they

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 3>then laugh at her for wanting to go to work.

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 8>An white people feel about starting a black woman from

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<v Speaker 8>going to.

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<v Speaker 13>Work, Oh no, not worse.

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 8>So you don't care about starting black people from going

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 8>to work.

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 3>And this is what immigrant voters really think about Donald

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 3>Trump immigration and deportation policy.

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<v Speaker 14>Take it away CNN, Immigrant citizens, immigrant voters, foreign born

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 14>voters have gone tremendously to the right on this issue

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 14>in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five versus where

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 14>they were in twenty twenty closest to or trust more

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 14>in immigration.

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>You go back to twenty twenty.

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 14>Democrats get this, held a thirty two point lead on

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 14>this issue. Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 14>forward to twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. Look

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 14>at that shift, a forty point shift to the right

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 14>among immigrant voters. Republicans now lead on this issue by

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 14>eight points over Democrats, more so than any other group

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 14>that I could find. The group of voters who became

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 14>more hawkish on immigration were in fact immigrants themselves, immigrants

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 14>who were registered to vote in this country.

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 3>And those immigrant voters are becoming increasingly pro Trump. Despite

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 3>the NonStop lies and hysteria from the media painting Trump

0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 3>of some sort of racist.

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 14>There is no block voters that shifted more to the

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 14>rate from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four than immigrant voters,

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 14>and Donald Trump, at least in some surveys, actually won

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 14>that vote. On average, it's about equal.

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>So there may be all this.

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 14>Stuff right about undocumented immigrants and Trump being harsh on them,

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 14>but immigrant voters themselves have increasingly liked Donald Trump and

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 14>have increasingly moved to the right on immigration into the

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 14>Republican camp.

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<v Speaker 3>Joining me now is Sky News contributor Tina McQueen. Tina,

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<v Speaker 3>no group of voters has more strongly moved into the

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Trump camp than immigrants, legal immigrants, and that's something that

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 3>would blow the mind of the average political pundit.

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly right.

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<v Speaker 15>Look, most of these legal immigrants have left countries where

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 15>they're fearful of gangs of you know, turmoil, So they're

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 15>very protective of their status in America and are very

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 15>reluctant and do not want these violent thugs, illegal thugs

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 15>from other countries entering at all.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the reasons for Trump having such strong

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 3>backing on this issue from immigrants is that their view

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 3>of illegal immigrants has changed markedly, really shifted dramatically in

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 3>a few years.

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 16>Let's have a look at that data, how immigrant citizens

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 16>voters feel about people in the country illegally.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, and this is where it all kind of comes together,

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 14>Cape Paul. When look at this the net favorable rating

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 14>immigrants who are here illegally among immigrants citizens again, those

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 14>registered to vote in twenty twenty, look at this plus

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 14>twenty three points on the net favorable rating.

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 2>But look at where we were in.

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 14>Twenty twenty four minus six points underwater. So immigrant citizens

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 14>have become increasingly unfavorable in their views of those immigrants

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 14>who are here illegally.

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>So I think it's so important when we're.

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 14>Talking about this debate from a political angle, to separate

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 14>those out who are undocumented immigrants versus those who are

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.479
<v Speaker 14>here legally and those who are citizens and those who

0:31:58.560 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 14>are voters.

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 3>And Tina think a lot of legal immigrants are seek

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 3>of being compared to illegal immigrants, having the issue conflated

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 3>as if the term immigrant covers both groups when it doesn't,

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of people on the left, a lot

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 3>of the so called liberals in America make that mistake

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 3>consistently now. Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, claimed today

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 3>that Donald Trump has not called him, not even left

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 3>a voicemail.

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 5>He also said.

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Americans should be alarmed that a president deploying marines onto

0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 3>our streets doesn't even know who he's talking to. That's

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 3>what newsm claimed that prompted Donald Trump to show the receipts.

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 2>He said.

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<v Speaker 16>The first call the Gavin Newsom was not picked up.

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 16>The second call Gavin picked up. We spoke for sixteen

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 16>minutes I told him to essentially quote, and this is

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 16>quoting the president, get his ass and gear and stop

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 16>the riots which were out of control. More than anything else,

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 16>this shows what a liar he is. Said, I never called.

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 16>So here is the evidence, and here is the call

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 16>log that the President sent me from his phone. This

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 16>was Dune the seventh.

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh, there's so much to unpack there, but let's start

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 3>off with how does the governor forget a sixteen minute

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 3>phone call with the president?

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 15>Look, he's got selective memory. It's just ridiculous. And what

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 15>discussed me more about Gavin Newsom. He is such a

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 15>liar today. I watched that speech that he tried to

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 15>put out, but there were so many technical difficulties. He

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 15>said that Trump was holding a military parade for his

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 15>birthday on June the fourteenth. So deceptive. It's the US

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 15>Army's two hundred and fiftieth birthday on June fifteenth. It's

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 15>also flat day that has been celebrated since seventeen seventy seven.

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 15>I can't believe that Newsom gets away with this. He's

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 15>a deceptive liar trying to damage Trump. And this has

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 15>to be called out consistently.

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, And I think a lot of people see this

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 3>as a big win for Gavin Neuism, that all the

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 3>lefties and calor going to band around backing him and

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 3>he'll again be the favorite to be the next Democrat

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 3>presidential candidate. But I can't see how he is going

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 3>to win holding these positions. He is just going radically

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 3>left again. After showing signs of moderating now played earlier

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Maxine Waters Congresswoman Maxine Waters claiming that there is no

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 3>violence or lawlesseners during these protests.

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Don't think that somehow because they called out the National.

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Guard there was violence. There was no validce. I was

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:35.760
<v Speaker 2>on the street.

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 4>I know, get a street, and don't just rely on

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 4>what you're being told. Are the few incidents that you

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 4>saw there was no valid Of.

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Course, the footage of what's really happening has been a

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.759
<v Speaker 3>superpose behind her there. But what do you make of

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:57.279
<v Speaker 3>how the Democrats have responded to these rides. She's a

0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 3>veteran congresswoman and she not alone and trying to deny

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 3>the violence and just standing with these rioters.

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.319
<v Speaker 15>Look, they're delusional, And I think going back to the

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:12.839
<v Speaker 15>Black Lives Matter movement and the George Floyd, I think

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 15>they think it worked for them men, when there is

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:19.720
<v Speaker 15>such an anti Trump feelings, it's not working.

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:21.319
<v Speaker 5>Now people are waking up to it.

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 15>They don't want violence in their cities and to be

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 15>the normal American just looks at them and scratches their head.

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 15>Then what are you going on about? Turn the television on,

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 15>look at the vision. It's absolutely insane that they continue

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 15>to say that these are peaceful protests. It's unbelievable.

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Reader, Well, we know they're not peaceful because even the

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:48.759
<v Speaker 3>Democrat mayor of LA has now instituted a curfew, so

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:52.959
<v Speaker 3>they don't do that lightly. But she said that there's

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 3>just so much violence and lawlessness, so many shops being looted,

0:35:57.680 --> 0:35:59.359
<v Speaker 3>so much damage being done to.

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 5>That she's had to take this action now to.

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 15>Five days or sorry read, it's a shame it took

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 15>her five days to instill that.

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 3>But well, exactly because she was amongst the head in

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 3>the sand cruz In claiming that, yeah, there was nothing

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 3>to see here, and Donald Trump was overreacting, calling the

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 3>National Guard in Now.

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 5>President Trump announced earlier.

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 3>Today that he will restore the names of Fort Robert E.

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:33.879
<v Speaker 3>Lee and six other military bases that honor Confederate War

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:34.879
<v Speaker 3>leaders for a.

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 10>Little breaking news. We are also going to be restoring

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 10>the names.

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 17>To Fort Pickett, Fort Hood, Fort Gordon, Fort Brooker, Fort Polk,

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 17>Fort ap Hill, and Fort Robert E.

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:51.880
<v Speaker 5>Lee.

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 2>We won a lot of battles out of those forts.

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 2>It's snooked time.

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Jange, Tina, Joe Biden renamed those bases honoring the Confederates.

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Back in twenty twenty three, the nation's largest base, brag

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 3>was briefly known as Fort Liberty.

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 5>But all that is over, Tina.

0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, and I think, look, it's a great thing to do,

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 15>as I said, particularly on the two hundred and fiftieth

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 15>and birth of the US Army, to honor these legends

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.359
<v Speaker 15>that the military have a great respect for. And we're

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 15>absolutely disgusted when Joe Biden did what he did and

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 15>renamed them.

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:39.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, the military has really been boosted under Donald Trump,

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 3>hasn't it. We've seen record recruitment numbers, we're hearing morale

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 3>is high again, and there's just been such a dramatic

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 3>shift in the culture of the place.

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 15>There's now a great respect for the military, and you've

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 15>got Pete Heskeith doing a fabulous job, and you know,

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 15>people are proud now to join a four that they

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 15>see is honorable and doing the right thing. And you know,

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:07.320
<v Speaker 15>you don't have to be some sort of DEI program

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 15>to further your career in the army. They see as

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 15>a legitimate career move. So it's a good thing.

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 5>RETA. It's great to see.

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:15.760
<v Speaker 15>I wish it would happen in Australia quite.

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Frankly, absolutely return meritocracy to the military.

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 9>Now.

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 3>There has been some disquiet from elements of the Trump

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 3>base about the lack of arrests by the FBI, some

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 3>criticism of cash Patel. Here is Cash Pateel, the FBI director,

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 3>explaining what his team is finding and what they're doing.

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.760
<v Speaker 18>When I first got to the bureau, found a room

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 18>that Comy and others hid from the world in the

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 18>Hoover Building, full of documents and computer hard draves that

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 18>no one had ever seen or heard of. Lock the

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 18>key and hit access and just said, no one's ever

0:38:58.080 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 18>going to find this place.

0:38:59.320 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 3>What.

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.800
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, So my guys are going through that rate now,

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 18>what's in there?

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 2>A lot of stuff?

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 18>I mean, that's the thing. People are like, well, okay,

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 18>go arrest them, and I'm like, okay, well how about

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 18>you let me run a methodical investigation.

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.879
<v Speaker 3>Ah, this is going to take time, Tina, And that's

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 3>if they find.

0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 5>Evidence of criminality.

0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 3>You would think whoever's been guilty there has had plenty

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 3>of time to destroy the evidence.

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 5>They knew there was going to be a change in administration.

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:28.439
<v Speaker 3>Are we going to see those arrests that so many

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.280
<v Speaker 3>in the BASEA wanting to see?

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 15>Look, I think you will, but as you said, it

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 15>takes time. And it's great to see such transparency and

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 15>such honesty from the government, but it will take time.

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:43.440
<v Speaker 15>But I think, yeah, Cash Betel, he's not going to

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 15>muck around readA, not at all.

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 5>No, No, I don't think you will.

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<v Speaker 3>Before you go, I've played examples of the American media

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<v Speaker 3>doing its best to paint these violent protests as mostly peaceful,

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<v Speaker 3>just like they did with BLM and Antifa. They're blaming

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<v Speaker 3>the administration for the violence that's happening. And one man

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<v Speaker 3>who would ordinarily be doing that, but he's not at

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<v Speaker 3>the moment, Tina, because he's been suspended by his employer.

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<v Speaker 3>That's ABC's Terry Moran. He was suspended after this bizarre

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<v Speaker 3>tirade against President Trump and Steven Miller.

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<v Speaker 5>Part of it I'll just read you a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>of it, because it went on for some time.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, it's not brains, it's bile. Miller is a

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<v Speaker 3>man who is richly endowed with a capacity for hatred.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a world class hater. And he also said you

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<v Speaker 3>can see this just by looking at him, because you

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<v Speaker 3>can see that his hatreds are his spiritual nourishment. He

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<v Speaker 3>eats his hate. I mean, the whole thing was crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>And now there's reports coming out of the ABC that

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<v Speaker 3>his colleagues, at least some of them who are talking

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<v Speaker 3>to the New York Posts, are saying they want to

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<v Speaker 3>see him sack. They don't want to just see his

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<v Speaker 3>suspension because it makes all of them look terrible.

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<v Speaker 15>Well not an that it's costs ABC millions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 15>So presenters are now going to tread more carefully regarding Trump.

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<v Speaker 15>They don't want to cost their jobs and television stations

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<v Speaker 15>any more any more money. But yeah, I think they

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<v Speaker 15>are calling for you sack, and hopefully he will be

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<v Speaker 15>sack and tautal lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was only a few weeks ago that he

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<v Speaker 3>got a one on one interview with Donald Trumps and

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<v Speaker 3>how quickly things changed Tina McQueen, Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 3>for your time tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks reata still to come.

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<v Speaker 3>An Australian Ivy League student blows the lid on the

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<v Speaker 3>culture of censorship at Harvard.

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<v Speaker 5>David Hogan joins me next. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Joining me now is an Australian Ivy League student who

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<v Speaker 3>has experienced first hand the climate of hostility and censorship

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<v Speaker 3>at Harvard University, where he's studying for his master's degree.

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<v Speaker 3>David Hogan, Welcome to the program. David, what do you

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<v Speaker 3>make of these accusations? We keep hearing of anti semitism

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<v Speaker 3>at Harvard and even coordination with the Chinese Communist Party

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<v Speaker 3>at the university. The Trump administration is certainly at war

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<v Speaker 3>with the university. What has been your on campus experience?

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<v Speaker 1>So thanks for having me read.

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<v Speaker 13>Obviously, these are very serious allegations and serious issues that

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<v Speaker 13>I think all people can come and agree that it

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<v Speaker 13>shouldn't be happening in terms of anti Semitism and any

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<v Speaker 13>other accusations. I've personally had a fantastic experience. I've always

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<v Speaker 13>wanted to attend Harvard and I've had a great time

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<v Speaker 13>with great academics, and luckily I did miss most of

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<v Speaker 13>the protests in terms of guys that have happened more

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<v Speaker 13>immediately after October seventh than also last year.

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<v Speaker 1>But overall I've had a great time.

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<v Speaker 13>But as others have mentioned before, our free speech is

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<v Speaker 13>still something that I've encountered and had slightly on campus,

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<v Speaker 13>and that something that I think these actions from the

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<v Speaker 13>administration are correct and taking on.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, we do know that treatment of Jews has

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<v Speaker 3>been fairly horrendous at Harvard, particularly since October seven.

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<v Speaker 5>You mentioned free speech, What are your concerns with that?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you concerned about how people with conservative views are treated?

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<v Speaker 1>That's definitely the point that I'm referring to.

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<v Speaker 13>So I think, like many universities across the West, Harvard

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<v Speaker 13>and others in the US in terms of the IP League.

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<v Speaker 1>Do at times have an environment where it isn't.

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<v Speaker 13>Always entirely accepted or looked upon favorably for people to

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<v Speaker 13>have conservative viewpoints. I have a lot of friends and

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<v Speaker 13>a lot of fellow students that often aren't comfortable to

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<v Speaker 13>express viewpoints given that they are shot down often rapidly

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<v Speaker 13>and can impact people's academic performance. So it's something that

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<v Speaker 13>I think really needs to be sorted out broadly across

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<v Speaker 13>the West, not only at Harvard, but this is something

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<v Speaker 13>that is so crucial to the continuation of our civilization

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<v Speaker 13>and the continuing excellence of our academic institutions. People should

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<v Speaker 13>be able to speak freely, particularly with conservative views, which

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<v Speaker 13>we know, say, for example, in the US, were the

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<v Speaker 13>majority of the last election. So I think this is

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<v Speaker 13>something that people really need to be able to feel

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<v Speaker 13>comfortable enough, and that comes not only from their fellow

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<v Speaker 13>students acting respectfully, but also from having academics and professors

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<v Speaker 13>that are open to these views won't look to shut.

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<v Speaker 1>Them down and penalize them as soon as they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Express Well, it seems incredible that mainstream views and you said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we've just had an election and Trump one

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<v Speaker 3>in the landslide. But if you express those views that

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<v Speaker 3>are held by the mainstream, you can find yourself on

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<v Speaker 3>the outer or at a university like Harvard. Do conservatives

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<v Speaker 3>self censor they or do they speak freely and risk

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<v Speaker 3>having their mark affected or having hostility from the other students.

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<v Speaker 13>I'd say yes, certainly. It's something that people are very

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<v Speaker 13>aware of. We obviously are prioritizing getting through our degree

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<v Speaker 13>and getting through it as smoothly and efficiently as possible

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<v Speaker 13>in terms of academic performance. So people definitely do self

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<v Speaker 13>censor in the sense of not fully expressing their views

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<v Speaker 13>at times in order to try and appease the markers

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<v Speaker 13>and fellow classmates.

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<v Speaker 1>At times.

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<v Speaker 13>I've had an instance where I was told that it

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<v Speaker 13>was better for me not to express conservative views, would

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<v Speaker 13>have a specific professor just given that they had quite

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<v Speaker 13>an opposite world view to mind at times, and that

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<v Speaker 13>would just be easier for the class and for my

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<v Speaker 13>academic performance in terms of that, well, those explicit instances

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<v Speaker 13>might be rare. There is typically a general feeling that

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<v Speaker 13>it's better just to keep those use to yourself and

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<v Speaker 13>keep them for the pub after class. But as I said,

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<v Speaker 13>I think this is something that's happening across the West,

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<v Speaker 13>it's happening back in Australia unfortunately as well, and it's

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<v Speaker 13>something that again I think our broader education system needs

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<v Speaker 13>to deal with, and really I think it's an existential thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's definitely happening right here in Australia and have

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<v Speaker 3>plenty of students who self censor, who put things down

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<v Speaker 3>in assignments to appease their lecturers, who obviously are very left,

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<v Speaker 3>so they know they've got to get a better mark

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<v Speaker 3>if they regurgitate those views back to the lecturers. Tell

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<v Speaker 3>me about that example you just mentioned. Did you end

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<v Speaker 3>up self censoring there or not expressing yourself freely to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure you didn't fall out of the lecturer?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, I did, Excuse me, I did in that instance,

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<v Speaker 13>just I wanted to get through the class and I

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<v Speaker 13>suppose it's about picking a battles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did have to in.

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<v Speaker 13>That instance, and I thought I'd be doing my classmates

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<v Speaker 13>a favor if I wasn't pulling up there like through

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<v Speaker 13>every time they said something.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, I think a lot that's happening a

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<v Speaker 3>great deal, which is such a shame because university should

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<v Speaker 3>be exposed to diverse views and really be able to

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<v Speaker 3>engage in some critical thinking. Now, right now, you may

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<v Speaker 3>be in a bit of limbo, along with about one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred other Australian students caught up in Donald Trump's decision

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<v Speaker 3>to revoke Harvard's Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you expect to finish your degree at Harvard? We've had

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<v Speaker 3>the US Secretary of Education Linda McMahon just saying recently

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<v Speaker 3>she needs Harvard to show that they are serious about

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<v Speaker 3>combating anti semitism and to better screen foreign students. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you expect to finish your degree at Harvard?

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely do. I'm on track to finish at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of August.

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<v Speaker 13>I've finished by exams, and now in the next few

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<v Speaker 13>weeks I've got a practical internship compon. My understanding is

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<v Speaker 13>that a lot of the provisions and a lot of

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<v Speaker 13>the talk from the administration at the moment is particularly

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<v Speaker 13>centered upon incoming students for becoming in August later this year.

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<v Speaker 13>So in terms of current students and people like myself

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<v Speaker 13>that are finishing off their degree at the moment, let's.

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<v Speaker 3>Hope that is the case, because we'd like you to

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<v Speaker 3>see you finish. But I think the policy to better

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<v Speaker 3>screen foreign students is one that is fairly popular with

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<v Speaker 3>the Trump base, so I think they're going to stick

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<v Speaker 3>to that. David Hogan, thank you so much for your

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<v Speaker 3>time tonight, Thanks for joining me.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's it from me. Up next is News Night.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night.