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Speaker 1: On scorn Leeds Australia.

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Speaker 2: This is the Wider Panalty Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the readA Panety Show coming

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Speaker 3: up tonight, A packed program. The Great Douglas Murray joins

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Speaker 3: me shortly to discuss everything from Oprah and Jasinda Dern's

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Speaker 3: seconding love into the Australian Left fawning over Greta Thunberg.

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Speaker 3: Senator Drinda Cox accuses the Greens of being deeply racist

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Speaker 3: and tolerating a culture of violence. The panel will be

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Speaker 3: here to cover that and much more. We'll have the

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Speaker 3: latest from the US as whole show, Donald Trump recording

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Speaker 3: a huge surge in support from migrant voters, legal migrants,

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Speaker 3: and left is losing. It features more than one Democrat

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Speaker 3: lying about the riots, including this congress woman.

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Speaker 2: Don't miss the part you are.

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Speaker 4: Don't think that somehow because they called out the National Guard,

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Speaker 4: there was valor, there was no violence.

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Speaker 5: But first let's bring in the panel.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now to this gus Today's headlines is Sky

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Speaker 3: News contributor Primi Sween and research fellow at the Institute

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Speaker 3: of Public Affairs Saxon Davidson.

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Speaker 5: Let's start with the Greens.

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Speaker 3: Their well former Green turned Labor senator during the Cox

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Speaker 3: has accused the party of tolerating a culture that permits

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Speaker 3: violence against First Nations women within its structures, and in

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Speaker 3: her resignation letter, she also said that the party is

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Speaker 3: deeply racist, while referring to an incident where she says

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Speaker 3: she was assaulted at Perth Airport by a party member,

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Speaker 3: which was ignored. Indeed, I was advised not to report

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Speaker 3: it to police. And incidents involving my staff who were

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Speaker 3: isolated by the state and other MP's officers pro.

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Speaker 5: I'll start with you.

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Speaker 3: This is a pretty serious allegations right here. Do the

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Speaker 3: Greens have a problem with race? Are they a racist party?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't think so when you look at the makeup

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Speaker 6: of the Greens. But this is one angry woman, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: You know she's just going to get even as much

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Speaker 6: as she can. I believe she approached Labor and joined

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Speaker 6: them because she had a hissy fit because she wasn't

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Speaker 6: voted Green leader. She thought that the Grass was going

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Speaker 6: to be greener with Labor. But of course, prior to that,

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Speaker 6: when she'd left Labor to join the Greens, she found

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Speaker 6: them really patronizing towards women and indigenous people.

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Speaker 2: So now of course.

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Speaker 6: She's back, and I think she'll fit really well into

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Speaker 6: labor because she's a mean girl.

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Speaker 5: And it's full of mean girls.

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Speaker 6: But to be making these accusations she's a political opportunitist.

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Speaker 5: Well Saxon.

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Speaker 3: If she has been a victim of violence or that

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Speaker 3: incident at Perth Airport where she said she was assaulted,

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Speaker 3: I think it's really quite important that she takes action,

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Speaker 3: whether she lodges a formal complaint with the party or

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Speaker 3: with police. I know she says she was told not

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Speaker 3: to at the time, but she's no longer a member

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Speaker 3: of the Greens and you would think it would be

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Speaker 3: the responsible thing to do to report this matter.

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Speaker 7: It's absolutely the responsible thing to do that if you've

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Speaker 7: been assaulted, as Senator Derindacox has alleged, that you report

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Speaker 7: it to the police. It's the natural thing to do

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Speaker 7: and the right thing to do. But I just wanted

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Speaker 7: to add to this whole thing is that the Greens

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Speaker 7: are the party that represents the most extreme version of wokness,

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Speaker 7: the most extreme version of identity politics, and it is

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Speaker 7: the natural consequence of all these ideas put into one

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Speaker 7: that they're going to turn into each other because all

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Speaker 7: of their policies pit everybody against each other. That is

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Speaker 7: the natural consequence of this extreme form of wokeness that

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Speaker 7: they all represent. And so of course the party members

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Speaker 7: are going to go after one another because they've been

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Speaker 7: trying to piece Australians and the general public of Australians

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: I find that those who are obsessed with race and

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Speaker 3: of these issues because they see everything through that filter

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Speaker 3: of racial politics. Now, US Secretary of State Mark or

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Speaker 3: Arubio has unleashed on a number of nations, including Australia,

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Speaker 3: for placing sanctions on two senior Israeli ministers, the National

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Speaker 3: Security Minister and the Finance Minister. Ribio said in a

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Speaker 3: statement that these sanctions do not advance US led efforts

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Speaker 3: to cheap a cease fire, bring all hostages home, and

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Speaker 3: reversal of the sanctions and stands shoulder to shoulder with Israel.

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Speaker 5: Here's what Australia is.

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Speaker 3: A Foreign Minister, Penny Wong had to say about this matter.

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Speaker 8: Australia has applied targeted financial sanctions and travel bands to

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Speaker 8: two senior ministers in the Israeli government it Ministers Bengevie

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Speaker 8: and Smotrich, for their role in serious human rights violations

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Speaker 8: and abuses relating to Israeli settler violence in the West Bank.

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Speaker 8: We have applied those measures in coordination with Canada, New Zealand,

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Speaker 8: Norway and the United Kingdom, and together these countries are

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Speaker 8: sending a message you have ignored the international community and

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Speaker 8: we do not tolerate it.

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Speaker 3: Saxon, what is this action by Australia and a bunch

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Speaker 3: of other countries, UK, Canada, Norway, New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: What's it likely to achieve.

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Speaker 7: It's probably going to worsen the massive anti Semitism crisis

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Speaker 7: that we have here in Australia that we've witnessed ever

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Speaker 7: since October seventh and twenty twenty three. I mean, other

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Speaker 7: than that, I don't see any point why we should

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Speaker 7: involve ourselves in a conflict in the Middle East, particularly,

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Speaker 7: and also we should not be undermining the only liberal

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Speaker 7: democracy in the Middle East in a war against terrorism.

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Speaker 7: I don't think this is will achieved months much in

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Speaker 7: the broader global politic, but it will certainly found the

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly upset the Americans prove. I mean, that is

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Speaker 3: not a good situation. Right before the PM is due

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Speaker 3: to meet with President Trump. To have the US condemning

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Speaker 3: our action, you really have got to wonder what we

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Speaker 3: are thinking.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be quite an uncomfortable meeting. I think

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Speaker 6: for alban easy with Trump because we're out of step

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Speaker 6: with them in so many ways. But this in particular,

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Speaker 6: this government hasn't got a mandate. They didn't go to

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Speaker 6: the voters and say that this is what they're going

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Speaker 6: to do to Israel.

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Speaker 2: How dare they?

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Speaker 6: And it's so extraordinary that we have this situation where

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Speaker 6: we have a democracy, the only democracy that in the

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Speaker 6: Middle East, that is being attacked and sanctioned by so.

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Speaker 2: You know the rest of US.

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Speaker 5: And it's appalling what's going on.

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Speaker 6: What about the misdirection of your anks to ham us

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Speaker 6: the terrorists, That's what you sho should be doing. And

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Speaker 6: the fact that Albanize is going to be, you know,

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Speaker 6: coming cap in hand to Trump about the tariffs and

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Speaker 6: the trade. Plus of course he's got to somehow's you know,

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Speaker 6: defend his lack of spending on defense and now this

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Speaker 6: it's going to be a very uncomfortable meeting.

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Speaker 5: It's not making it easy for himself.

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Speaker 3: Now, before you go to go, I need to get

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Speaker 3: your take on the project being no more. It's been

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Speaker 3: revealed now that nearly one hundred jobs will be impacted

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Speaker 3: by Channel ten's decision to acts. It's a flagship current

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Speaker 3: carent affairs program. It's been on air sixteen years. There

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Speaker 3: were reportedly proof tears in the newsroom as a Channel

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Speaker 3: ten president Beverly mcgavey address staffed and told them that

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Speaker 3: the lefty talkfest shouldn't call it that.

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Speaker 5: That's my term.

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Speaker 3: She said, it just doesn't stack up any longer. She

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Speaker 3: also said it's a click baity show and you guys

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Speaker 3: had to live through that. But I think more than anything,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot to be proud of, and we're really

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Speaker 3: proud of the show, and we're really sad this day

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Speaker 3: did well. I don't know how sad she is. Those

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Speaker 3: comments are a little bit all over the place. Proue

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Speaker 3: are you going to miss the project? And know some

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Speaker 3: people like hate watching.

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Speaker 6: It, Well, frankly, I've never I can't stand it. I

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Speaker 6: would never watch it because a bunch of poor community

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Speaker 6: medians trying to be funny about, you know, woke things

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Speaker 6: just doesn't cut it. And the writing's been on the

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Speaker 6: wall for that show. It's been on borrowed time for

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Speaker 6: so long because the ratings have been so pathetic and

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Speaker 6: they've been out of sync. That and Q and A

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Speaker 6: I will be dancing on their graves. I'm very sad

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Speaker 6: for the people who've lost their jobs, the people behind

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Speaker 6: the news, the cameras, But otherwise, good riddance.

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Speaker 5: Saxon.

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Speaker 3: You're a millennial, You're the target demographic for this program.

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Speaker 5: Will you miss it?

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Speaker 3: Have you been hate watching it or in fact admiring it?

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Speaker 5: No, I will not miss it.

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Speaker 7: And this whole thing really I mean, if a tree

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Speaker 7: falls in the forest and no one sees, it didn't

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Speaker 7: really happen. It's the same with Q and A. As

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Speaker 7: Pruce said, this isn't going to really change the media

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Speaker 7: diet of many Australians. I'm surprised it's survived for sixteen years.

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Speaker 7: Considering that, I mean, the ratings have been suffering ever

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Speaker 7: since or twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, it's almost a decade ago. Now,

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Speaker 7: I'm really surprised it has lasted this long and I

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Speaker 7: don't think this will meaningfully change any Australian's life.

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Speaker 5: Well no, but it will.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have enjoyed the content occasionally because it

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Speaker 3: of content to play with for Lefties Losing It and

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Speaker 3: other related segments.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I'm getting no love for the program.

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Speaker 3: This is now the second night where I've had just

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Speaker 3: a panel who refused to have watched this program. How

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Speaker 3: can this be sixteen years? It's one logis Saxon Davidson.

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Speaker 5: From McSween thank you for your time tonight, joining.

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Speaker 3: Me now is one of the finest thinkers of his generation,

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Speaker 3: an author of best selling works, including his latest on

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Speaker 3: democracies and death cults.

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Speaker 5: Douglas Murray.

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Speaker 3: There's a new author who hopes to be an international

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Speaker 3: best seller to She has a book called A Different

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Speaker 3: Kind of Power, and she's got oprah sprooking it.

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Speaker 2: The different kind of power is kindness.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, It's all those things that you think are weaknesses

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Speaker 9: or a taught a weaknesses.

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Speaker 6: Empathy, sensitivity, self doubt and humility.

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Speaker 2: That powerful.

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Speaker 3: Douglas, you've called Lisinda Adirn, the Queen of performative.

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Speaker 5: Caring in the past.

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Speaker 3: Did she exercise what she preaches when she was Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister of New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Well, very much not.

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Speaker 9: And it's so bewildering that clip with Oprah because Jasindra

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Speaker 9: Arden says all the things we're taught the weaknesses like empathy.

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, as I know in the education systems across

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Speaker 9: Western countries it's nothing but empathy. Most of politics, the

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Speaker 9: media and education is all that we should all be

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Speaker 9: as empathetic as possible and we have to understand other people,

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Speaker 9: and we're not taught that that's a weakness. If anything,

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Speaker 9: everyone is overstuffed with the idea that it's the single

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Speaker 9: greatest virtue and as just into our edit, shwe and

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Speaker 9: demonstrated I when she was premier. The fact is that

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Speaker 9: it doesn't get you very far, certainly doesn't get you everywhere.

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Speaker 9: Simply being somebody who says they feel empathy or speaking

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Speaker 9: in a sort of broken husky voice, sounds like it's

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Speaker 9: going to crack with emotion at any moment because you're

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Speaker 9: just so overwhelmed with empathy. Can actually do some pretty

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Speaker 9: mean and unpleasant things to people, like going through the

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Speaker 9: harshest lockdowns of I think any country outside of the

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Speaker 9: communist world during the COVID pandemic, it's quite extraordinary. And

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Speaker 9: also from somebody who says that things like self doubt

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Speaker 3: There's this self loathing that is so prevalent, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Still to karma lefties losing it.

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Speaker 3: Plus Donald Trump records a huge surge and support from.

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Speaker 5: Migrant at the left, and see that coming. Tinum McQueen

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Speaker 3: You're watching the Rita Patty Show, and it's time for

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Speaker 4: Even those who were out of step with what we're advocating.

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Speaker 4: Martial law is called, what are you going to say?

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Speaker 4: Know, and I went from downtown Detention back out into

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Speaker 4: the community talking to people. What happened in Paramount, what

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Speaker 4: happened in come To, what happened in Inglewood. So first

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Speaker 4: of all, get it straight and don't just rely on

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Speaker 4: what you've been told.

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Speaker 2: Are the few incidents that you start.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no violence. You all are just believe Maxine Waters.

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Speaker 3: Don't believe your lying eyes. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is wondering

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Speaker 3: whether all the violence and arson is the work of

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Speaker 3: mysterious anarchists or is it just the exuberance of the moment.

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Speaker 12: When there is a gathering, a large gathering of people,

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Speaker 12: the anarchists see it as an opportunity and they move in.

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Speaker 12: So always have to be careful whether you see a

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Speaker 12: burned car or broken window or whatever it is. It

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Speaker 12: may be the exuberance of the moment, but it may

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Speaker 12: be the anarchist setting.

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Speaker 5: In exuberance of the moment. Unbelievable. But the lines did

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Speaker 5: not stop there from Nancy.

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Speaker 3: She also said this earlier today, and what you're about

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Speaker 3: to hear is the opposite of what actually happened on

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Speaker 3: January sixth.

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Speaker 5: You know, the only riot in.

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Speaker 3: The past decade the Democrats haven't loved.

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Speaker 12: On January sixth, with violence against the Constitution, against the Congress,

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Speaker 12: and against the United States Capital. We begged the President

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Speaker 12: of the United States to send in the National Guard.

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Speaker 12: He would not do it. Not only would he not

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Speaker 12: do it when law enforcement people were being harmed. Let

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Speaker 12: some leader have died. Who will not send it in?

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Speaker 3: Where does one start? No, Nancy did not request the

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Speaker 3: National Guard. It was Donald Trump who urged their use.

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Speaker 3: It was Nancy Pelosi, who was speaker then, who ignored

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Speaker 3: that urging and ignored the desperate cause of the Capitol

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Speaker 3: police chief who wanted back up, and of course no

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Speaker 3: cops were killed on January sixth, or because of January sixth.

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Speaker 5: All these people do is lie and.

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Speaker 3: These protests, these it's are spreading to other Democrat strongholds

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Speaker 3: like New York, Chicago, San Francisco. Let's see this interaction

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Speaker 3: in New York and doesn't this sum up the anti

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Speaker 3: Trump left. Watch these two white protesters mock a black

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Speaker 3: woman who just wants to go to work to feed

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Speaker 3: her kids.

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Speaker 2: I can't know, you could just know.

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Speaker 5: How is it the people.

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Speaker 3: Not only do they ignore her please and lecture her

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Speaker 3: that this is peace as they block the roads, they

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Speaker 3: then laugh at her for wanting to go to work.

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Speaker 8: An white people feel about starting a black woman from

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Speaker 8: going to.

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Speaker 13: Work, Oh no, not worse.

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Speaker 8: So you don't care about starting black people from going

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Speaker 8: to work.

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Speaker 3: And this is what immigrant voters really think about Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump immigration and deportation policy.

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Speaker 14: Take it away CNN, Immigrant citizens, immigrant voters, foreign born

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Speaker 14: voters have gone tremendously to the right on this issue

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Speaker 14: in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five versus where

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Speaker 14: they were in twenty twenty closest to or trust more

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Speaker 14: in immigration.

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Speaker 2: You go back to twenty twenty.

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Speaker 14: Democrats get this, held a thirty two point lead on

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Speaker 14: this issue. Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump

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Speaker 14: forward to twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. Look

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Speaker 14: at that shift, a forty point shift to the right

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Speaker 14: among immigrant voters. Republicans now lead on this issue by

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Speaker 14: eight points over Democrats, more so than any other group

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Speaker 14: that I could find. The group of voters who became

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Speaker 14: more hawkish on immigration were in fact immigrants themselves, immigrants

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Speaker 14: who were registered to vote in this country.

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Speaker 3: And those immigrant voters are becoming increasingly pro Trump. Despite

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Speaker 3: the NonStop lies and hysteria from the media painting Trump

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Speaker 3: of some sort of racist.

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Speaker 14: There is no block voters that shifted more to the

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Speaker 14: rate from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four than immigrant voters,

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Speaker 14: and Donald Trump, at least in some surveys, actually won

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Speaker 14: that vote. On average, it's about equal.

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Speaker 2: So there may be all this.

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Speaker 14: Stuff right about undocumented immigrants and Trump being harsh on them,

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Speaker 14: but immigrant voters themselves have increasingly liked Donald Trump and

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Speaker 14: have increasingly moved to the right on immigration into the

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Speaker 14: Republican camp.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Sky News contributor Tina McQueen. Tina,

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Speaker 3: no group of voters has more strongly moved into the

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Speaker 3: Trump camp than immigrants, legal immigrants, and that's something that

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Speaker 3: would blow the mind of the average political pundit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 15: Look, most of these legal immigrants have left countries where

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Speaker 15: they're fearful of gangs of you know, turmoil, So they're

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Speaker 15: very protective of their status in America and are very

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Speaker 15: reluctant and do not want these violent thugs, illegal thugs

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Speaker 15: from other countries entering at all.

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Speaker 3: And one of the reasons for Trump having such strong

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Speaker 3: backing on this issue from immigrants is that their view

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Speaker 3: of illegal immigrants has changed markedly, really shifted dramatically in

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Speaker 3: a few years.

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Speaker 16: Let's have a look at that data, how immigrant citizens

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Speaker 16: voters feel about people in the country illegally.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and this is where it all kind of comes together,

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Speaker 14: Cape Paul. When look at this the net favorable rating

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Speaker 14: immigrants who are here illegally among immigrants citizens again, those

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Speaker 14: registered to vote in twenty twenty, look at this plus

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Speaker 14: twenty three points on the net favorable rating.

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Speaker 2: But look at where we were in.

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Speaker 14: Twenty twenty four minus six points underwater. So immigrant citizens

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Speaker 14: have become increasingly unfavorable in their views of those immigrants

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Speaker 14: who are here illegally.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's so important when we're.

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Speaker 14: Talking about this debate from a political angle, to separate

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Speaker 14: those out who are undocumented immigrants versus those who are

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Speaker 14: here legally and those who are citizens and those who

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Speaker 14: are voters.

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Speaker 3: And Tina think a lot of legal immigrants are seek

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Speaker 3: of being compared to illegal immigrants, having the issue conflated

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Speaker 3: as if the term immigrant covers both groups when it doesn't,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of people on the left, a lot

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Speaker 3: of the so called liberals in America make that mistake

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Speaker 3: consistently now. Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, claimed today

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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump has not called him, not even left

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Speaker 3: a voicemail.

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Speaker 5: He also said.

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Speaker 3: Americans should be alarmed that a president deploying marines onto

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Speaker 3: our streets doesn't even know who he's talking to. That's

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Speaker 3: what newsm claimed that prompted Donald Trump to show the receipts.

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Speaker 2: He said.

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Speaker 16: The first call the Gavin Newsom was not picked up.

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Speaker 16: The second call Gavin picked up. We spoke for sixteen

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Speaker 16: minutes I told him to essentially quote, and this is

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Speaker 16: quoting the president, get his ass and gear and stop

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Speaker 16: the riots which were out of control. More than anything else,

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Speaker 16: this shows what a liar he is. Said, I never called.

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Speaker 16: So here is the evidence, and here is the call

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Speaker 16: log that the President sent me from his phone. This

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Speaker 16: was Dune the seventh.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's so much to unpack there, but let's start

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Speaker 3: off with how does the governor forget a sixteen minute

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Speaker 3: phone call with the president?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 15: Look, he's got selective memory. It's just ridiculous. And what

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Speaker 15: discussed me more about Gavin Newsom. He is such a

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Speaker 15: liar today. I watched that speech that he tried to

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Speaker 15: put out, but there were so many technical difficulties. He

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Speaker 15: said that Trump was holding a military parade for his

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Speaker 15: birthday on June the fourteenth. So deceptive. It's the US

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Speaker 15: Army's two hundred and fiftieth birthday on June fifteenth. It's

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Speaker 15: also flat day that has been celebrated since seventeen seventy seven.

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Speaker 15: I can't believe that Newsom gets away with this. He's

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Speaker 15: a deceptive liar trying to damage Trump. And this has

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Speaker 15: to be called out consistently.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think a lot of people see this

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Speaker 3: as a big win for Gavin Neuism, that all the

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Speaker 3: lefties and calor going to band around backing him and

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Speaker 3: he'll again be the favorite to be the next Democrat

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Speaker 3: presidential candidate. But I can't see how he is going

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Speaker 3: to win holding these positions. He is just going radically

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Speaker 3: left again. After showing signs of moderating now played earlier

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Speaker 3: Maxine Waters Congresswoman Maxine Waters claiming that there is no

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Speaker 3: violence or lawlesseners during these protests.

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Speaker 4: Don't think that somehow because they called out the National.

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Speaker 2: Guard there was violence. There was no validce. I was

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Speaker 2: on the street.

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Speaker 4: I know, get a street, and don't just rely on

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Speaker 4: what you're being told. Are the few incidents that you

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Speaker 4: saw there was no valid Of.

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Speaker 3: Course, the footage of what's really happening has been a

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Speaker 3: superpose behind her there. But what do you make of

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Speaker 3: how the Democrats have responded to these rides. She's a

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Speaker 3: veteran congresswoman and she not alone and trying to deny

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Speaker 3: the violence and just standing with these rioters.

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Speaker 15: Look, they're delusional, And I think going back to the

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Speaker 15: Black Lives Matter movement and the George Floyd, I think

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Speaker 15: they think it worked for them men, when there is

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Speaker 15: such an anti Trump feelings, it's not working.

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Speaker 5: Now people are waking up to it.

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Speaker 15: They don't want violence in their cities and to be

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Speaker 15: the normal American just looks at them and scratches their head.

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Speaker 15: Then what are you going on about? Turn the television on,

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Speaker 15: look at the vision. It's absolutely insane that they continue

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Speaker 15: to say that these are peaceful protests. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Reader, Well, we know they're not peaceful because even the

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Speaker 3: Democrat mayor of LA has now instituted a curfew, so

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Speaker 3: they don't do that lightly. But she said that there's

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Speaker 3: just so much violence and lawlessness, so many shops being looted,

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Speaker 3: so much damage being done to.

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Speaker 5: That she's had to take this action now to.

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Speaker 15: Five days or sorry read, it's a shame it took

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Speaker 15: her five days to instill that.

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Speaker 3: But well, exactly because she was amongst the head in

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Speaker 3: the sand cruz In claiming that, yeah, there was nothing

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Speaker 3: to see here, and Donald Trump was overreacting, calling the

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Speaker 3: National Guard in Now.

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Speaker 5: President Trump announced earlier.

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Speaker 3: Today that he will restore the names of Fort Robert E.

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Speaker 3: Lee and six other military bases that honor Confederate War

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Speaker 3: leaders for a.

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Speaker 10: Little breaking news. We are also going to be restoring

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Speaker 10: the names.

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Speaker 17: To Fort Pickett, Fort Hood, Fort Gordon, Fort Brooker, Fort Polk,

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Speaker 17: Fort ap Hill, and Fort Robert E.

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Speaker 5: Lee.

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Speaker 2: We won a lot of battles out of those forts.

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Speaker 2: It's snooked time.

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Speaker 3: Jange, Tina, Joe Biden renamed those bases honoring the Confederates.

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Speaker 3: Back in twenty twenty three, the nation's largest base, brag

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Speaker 3: was briefly known as Fort Liberty.

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Speaker 5: But all that is over, Tina.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, and I think, look, it's a great thing to do,

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Speaker 15: as I said, particularly on the two hundred and fiftieth

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Speaker 15: and birth of the US Army, to honor these legends

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Speaker 15: that the military have a great respect for. And we're

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Speaker 15: absolutely disgusted when Joe Biden did what he did and

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Speaker 15: renamed them.

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Speaker 3: Well, the military has really been boosted under Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: hasn't it. We've seen record recruitment numbers, we're hearing morale

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Speaker 3: is high again, and there's just been such a dramatic

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Speaker 3: shift in the culture of the place.

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Speaker 15: There's now a great respect for the military, and you've

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Speaker 15: got Pete Heskeith doing a fabulous job, and you know,

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Speaker 15: people are proud now to join a four that they

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Speaker 15: see is honorable and doing the right thing. And you know,

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Speaker 15: you don't have to be some sort of DEI program

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Speaker 15: to further your career in the army. They see as

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Speaker 15: a legitimate career move. So it's a good thing.

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Speaker 5: RETA. It's great to see.

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Speaker 15: I wish it would happen in Australia quite.

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Speaker 3: Frankly, absolutely return meritocracy to the military.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 3: There has been some disquiet from elements of the Trump

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Speaker 3: base about the lack of arrests by the FBI, some

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Speaker 3: criticism of cash Patel. Here is Cash Pateel, the FBI director,

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Speaker 3: explaining what his team is finding and what they're doing.

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Speaker 18: When I first got to the bureau, found a room

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Speaker 18: that Comy and others hid from the world in the

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Speaker 18: Hoover Building, full of documents and computer hard draves that

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Speaker 18: no one had ever seen or heard of. Lock the

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Speaker 18: key and hit access and just said, no one's ever

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Speaker 18: going to find this place.

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Speaker 3: What.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, So my guys are going through that rate now,

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Speaker 18: what's in there?

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Speaker 2: A lot of stuff?

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Speaker 18: I mean, that's the thing. People are like, well, okay,

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Speaker 18: go arrest them, and I'm like, okay, well how about

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Speaker 18: you let me run a methodical investigation.

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Speaker 3: Ah, this is going to take time, Tina, And that's

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Speaker 3: if they find.

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Speaker 5: Evidence of criminality.

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Speaker 3: You would think whoever's been guilty there has had plenty

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Speaker 3: of time to destroy the evidence.

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Speaker 5: They knew there was going to be a change in administration.

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Speaker 3: Are we going to see those arrests that so many

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Speaker 3: in the BASEA wanting to see?

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Speaker 15: Look, I think you will, but as you said, it

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Speaker 15: takes time. And it's great to see such transparency and

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Speaker 15: such honesty from the government, but it will take time.

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Speaker 15: But I think, yeah, Cash Betel, he's not going to

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Speaker 15: muck around readA, not at all.

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Speaker 5: No, No, I don't think you will.

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Speaker 3: Before you go, I've played examples of the American media

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Speaker 3: doing its best to paint these violent protests as mostly peaceful,

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Speaker 3: just like they did with BLM and Antifa. They're blaming

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Speaker 3: the administration for the violence that's happening. And one man

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Speaker 3: who would ordinarily be doing that, but he's not at

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Speaker 3: the moment, Tina, because he's been suspended by his employer.

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Speaker 3: That's ABC's Terry Moran. He was suspended after this bizarre

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Speaker 3: tirade against President Trump and Steven Miller.

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Speaker 5: Part of it I'll just read you a little bit

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Speaker 5: of it, because it went on for some time.

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Speaker 3: He said, it's not brains, it's bile. Miller is a

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Speaker 3: man who is richly endowed with a capacity for hatred.

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Speaker 3: He's a world class hater. And he also said you

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Speaker 3: can see this just by looking at him, because you

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Speaker 3: can see that his hatreds are his spiritual nourishment. He

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Speaker 3: eats his hate. I mean, the whole thing was crazy.

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Speaker 3: And now there's reports coming out of the ABC that

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Speaker 3: his colleagues, at least some of them who are talking

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Speaker 3: to the New York Posts, are saying they want to

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Speaker 3: see him sack. They don't want to just see his

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Speaker 3: suspension because it makes all of them look terrible.

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Speaker 15: Well not an that it's costs ABC millions of dollars,

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Speaker 15: So presenters are now going to tread more carefully regarding Trump.

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Speaker 15: They don't want to cost their jobs and television stations

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Speaker 15: any more any more money. But yeah, I think they

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Speaker 15: are calling for you sack, and hopefully he will be

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Speaker 15: sack and tautal lesson.

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Speaker 3: And it was only a few weeks ago that he

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Speaker 3: got a one on one interview with Donald Trumps and

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Speaker 3: how quickly things changed Tina McQueen, Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for your time tonight.

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Speaker 5: Thanks reata still to come.

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Speaker 3: An Australian Ivy League student blows the lid on the

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Speaker 3: culture of censorship at Harvard.

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Speaker 5: David Hogan joins me next. Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now is an Australian Ivy League student who

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Speaker 3: has experienced first hand the climate of hostility and censorship

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Speaker 3: at Harvard University, where he's studying for his master's degree.

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Speaker 3: David Hogan, Welcome to the program. David, what do you

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Speaker 3: make of these accusations? We keep hearing of anti semitism

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Speaker 3: at Harvard and even coordination with the Chinese Communist Party

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Speaker 3: at the university. The Trump administration is certainly at war

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Speaker 3: with the university. What has been your on campus experience?

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Speaker 1: So thanks for having me read.

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Speaker 13: Obviously, these are very serious allegations and serious issues that

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Speaker 13: I think all people can come and agree that it

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Speaker 13: shouldn't be happening in terms of anti Semitism and any

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Speaker 13: other accusations. I've personally had a fantastic experience. I've always

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Speaker 13: wanted to attend Harvard and I've had a great time

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Speaker 13: with great academics, and luckily I did miss most of

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Speaker 13: the protests in terms of guys that have happened more

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Speaker 13: immediately after October seventh than also last year.

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Speaker 1: But overall I've had a great time.

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Speaker 13: But as others have mentioned before, our free speech is

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Speaker 13: still something that I've encountered and had slightly on campus,

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Speaker 13: and that something that I think these actions from the

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Speaker 13: administration are correct and taking on.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we do know that treatment of Jews has

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Speaker 3: been fairly horrendous at Harvard, particularly since October seven.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned free speech, What are your concerns with that?

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Speaker 3: Are you concerned about how people with conservative views are treated?

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Speaker 1: That's definitely the point that I'm referring to.

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Speaker 13: So I think, like many universities across the West, Harvard

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Speaker 13: and others in the US in terms of the IP League.

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Speaker 1: Do at times have an environment where it isn't.

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Speaker 13: Always entirely accepted or looked upon favorably for people to

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Speaker 13: have conservative viewpoints. I have a lot of friends and

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Speaker 13: a lot of fellow students that often aren't comfortable to

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Speaker 13: express viewpoints given that they are shot down often rapidly

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Speaker 13: and can impact people's academic performance. So it's something that

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Speaker 13: I think really needs to be sorted out broadly across

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Speaker 13: the West, not only at Harvard, but this is something

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Speaker 13: that is so crucial to the continuation of our civilization

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Speaker 13: and the continuing excellence of our academic institutions. People should

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Speaker 13: be able to speak freely, particularly with conservative views, which

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Speaker 13: we know, say, for example, in the US, were the

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Speaker 13: majority of the last election. So I think this is

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Speaker 13: something that people really need to be able to feel

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Speaker 13: comfortable enough, and that comes not only from their fellow

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Speaker 13: students acting respectfully, but also from having academics and professors

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Speaker 13: that are open to these views won't look to shut.

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Speaker 1: Them down and penalize them as soon as they're.

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Speaker 3: Express Well, it seems incredible that mainstream views and you said,

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Speaker 3: you know, we've just had an election and Trump one

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Speaker 3: in the landslide. But if you express those views that

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Speaker 3: are held by the mainstream, you can find yourself on

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Speaker 3: the outer or at a university like Harvard. Do conservatives

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Speaker 3: self censor they or do they speak freely and risk

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Speaker 3: having their mark affected or having hostility from the other students.

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Speaker 13: I'd say yes, certainly. It's something that people are very

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Speaker 13: aware of. We obviously are prioritizing getting through our degree

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Speaker 13: and getting through it as smoothly and efficiently as possible

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Speaker 13: in terms of academic performance. So people definitely do self

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Speaker 13: censor in the sense of not fully expressing their views

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Speaker 13: at times in order to try and appease the markers

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Speaker 13: and fellow classmates.

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Speaker 1: At times.

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Speaker 13: I've had an instance where I was told that it

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Speaker 13: was better for me not to express conservative views, would

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Speaker 13: have a specific professor just given that they had quite

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Speaker 13: an opposite world view to mind at times, and that

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Speaker 13: would just be easier for the class and for my

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Speaker 13: academic performance in terms of that, well, those explicit instances

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Speaker 13: might be rare. There is typically a general feeling that

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Speaker 13: it's better just to keep those use to yourself and

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Speaker 13: keep them for the pub after class. But as I said,

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Speaker 13: I think this is something that's happening across the West,

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Speaker 13: it's happening back in Australia unfortunately as well, and it's

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Speaker 13: something that again I think our broader education system needs

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Speaker 13: to deal with, and really I think it's an existential thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's definitely happening right here in Australia and have

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Speaker 3: plenty of students who self censor, who put things down

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Speaker 3: in assignments to appease their lecturers, who obviously are very left,

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Speaker 3: so they know they've got to get a better mark

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Speaker 3: if they regurgitate those views back to the lecturers. Tell

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Speaker 3: me about that example you just mentioned. Did you end

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Speaker 3: up self censoring there or not expressing yourself freely to

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Speaker 3: make sure you didn't fall out of the lecturer?

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Speaker 13: Well, I did, Excuse me, I did in that instance,

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Speaker 13: just I wanted to get through the class and I

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Speaker 13: suppose it's about picking a battles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did have to in.

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Speaker 13: That instance, and I thought I'd be doing my classmates

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Speaker 13: a favor if I wasn't pulling up there like through

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Speaker 13: every time they said something.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think a lot that's happening a

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Speaker 3: great deal, which is such a shame because university should

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Speaker 3: be exposed to diverse views and really be able to

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Speaker 3: engage in some critical thinking. Now, right now, you may

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Speaker 3: be in a bit of limbo, along with about one

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Speaker 3: hundred other Australian students caught up in Donald Trump's decision

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Speaker 3: to revoke Harvard's Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification. Do

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Speaker 3: you expect to finish your degree at Harvard? We've had

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Speaker 3: the US Secretary of Education Linda McMahon just saying recently

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Speaker 3: she needs Harvard to show that they are serious about

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Speaker 3: combating anti semitism and to better screen foreign students. Do

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Speaker 3: you expect to finish your degree at Harvard?

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Speaker 1: I definitely do. I'm on track to finish at the

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Speaker 1: end of August.

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Speaker 13: I've finished by exams, and now in the next few

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Speaker 13: weeks I've got a practical internship compon. My understanding is

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Speaker 13: that a lot of the provisions and a lot of

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Speaker 13: the talk from the administration at the moment is particularly

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Speaker 13: centered upon incoming students for becoming in August later this year.

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Speaker 13: So in terms of current students and people like myself

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Speaker 13: that are finishing off their degree at the moment, let's.

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Speaker 3: Hope that is the case, because we'd like you to

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Speaker 3: see you finish. But I think the policy to better

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Speaker 3: screen foreign students is one that is fairly popular with

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Speaker 3: the Trump base, so I think they're going to stick

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Speaker 3: to that. David Hogan, thank you so much for your

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Speaker 3: time tonight, Thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 5: And that's it from me. Up next is News Night.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night.