1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, February four, twenty twenty six. Police are worried 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: there are major security challenges surrounding next week's visit by 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: Israeli President Isaac Hertzog. He will visit Sydney, Canberra and 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: Melbourne and copse embracing for pro Palestine rallies and demonstrations. 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: That mean every event has to have a detailed evacuation 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: plan and a way to keep Jewish community members safe. 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: That's an exclusive live now at Beaustralian dot com dot au. 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison faces new accusations he froze 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: out and victimized a senior staffer after the rape of 11 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: Brittany Higgins. It comes from Fiona Brown, whose career was 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: destroyed by false allegations from Higgins that she tried to 13 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: cover up the rape. Now Brown says, in a statement 14 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: of claim lodged with the Federal Court that the former 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: PM's top advisors gagged her and that she felt frightened 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: and intimidated by Morrison's actions. That's today's story. When Brittaney 17 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: Higgins in twenty twenty one, told her story of having 18 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: been raped inside Parliament House two years earlier, allegedly by 19 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: fellow staff of Bruce Lahman. It wasn't just a story 20 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: of rape. It was the tale of how she was 21 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: pressured by senior government figures not to pursue the story 22 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: for fear of damaging Scott Morrison's chances of reelection, And 23 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: so I would. 24 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: I would try and raise it, and I would try 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: and bring it up. 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 3: Then it was always it always sort of came back 27 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: to sort of being a mere issue. 28 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: And I say, if you can't deal with it, then 29 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: you can leave. 30 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Morrison initially tried to tough it out, but quickly buckled 31 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: under immense public pressure to seem as if he understood. 32 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 4: Jenny and I spoke last night and she said to me, 33 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 4: you have to think about this as a father first. 34 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: What would you want to happen if it were our girls? 35 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 4: Jenny has a way of clarifying things, always has. 36 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't enough for Higgins. I didn't want his sympathy 37 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: as a father. 38 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 4: I wanted him to use his power as Prime minister. 39 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: Nor for activist Grace Tame, who rode a wave of 40 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: public anger and what were seen as Morrison's failings. 41 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: On the seventeenth of August last year, not five months 42 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 3: after being named Australian of the Year, I received a 43 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 3: threatening phone call from a senior member of a government 44 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: funded organization asking for my word that I wouldn't say 45 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 3: anything damning about the Prime Minister, you know, with an 46 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: election coming soon. 47 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: And in Parliament the then Labor opposition tried to make 48 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: the most of the rage. Does the Minister accept that 49 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: Miss Higgins felt pressured not to proceed. In her original 50 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: Project interview, Brittany Higgins described in detail the actions she 51 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: said constituted pressure from her former bosses, Minister Linda Reynolds 52 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: and Chief of Staff Fiona Brown, minimizing and ignoring her rape. 53 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 5: She made me in that program with the Project, more 54 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 5: of the villain than Bruce Lahman. I was framed as 55 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 5: the perpetrator in that interview. 56 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: This is Fiona Brown talking to the Australians Stephen Rice 57 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: and Janet Albretson in twenty twenty three. 58 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 5: All you have is your name. That's what you come 59 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 5: in with, is what you go out with your name, 60 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 5: and so that's what I did. 61 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: The Federal Court has found that on the balance of probabilities. 62 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: Brittany Higgins was raped by Bruce Laman, a charge he denies. 63 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: Justice Michael Lee also found there was no evidence of 64 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: a conspiracy to cover up the rape, a finding backed 65 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: in a separate court proceeding by West Australian Supreme Court 66 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: Judge Paul Tottle, who said this of Higgins, we've used 67 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: a voice actor to bring you his words. 68 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: The defendant had persuaded herself there had been a cover up, 69 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: even though that conclusion was not supported by the facts. 70 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Fiona Brown has always told a very different story. Brown 71 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: says that when she realized something had happened late at 72 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: night to Brittney Higgins, she personally walked Higgins to the 73 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: police office within Parliament House and offered her counseling and assistance. 74 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 1: In the Federal Court trial, Brown gave evidence that instead 75 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: of covering up the rape, Linda Reynolds had ordered Brown 76 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: to go to the police, but that Brown resisted, saying 77 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: she wanted to support Higgins, who at that time was 78 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: saying she didn't want cops involved. And now Fiona Brown 79 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: has filed papers of her own in the Federal Court 80 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: in which she tells a remarkable story that brings it 81 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: all back around to Scott Morrison. Stephen Rice is The 82 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: Australian's New South Wales editor, Ricey. We rarely get an 83 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: insight into how government at the most senior levels operates. 84 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: This is a pretty secret world. Fiona Brown paints a 85 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: picture of the Prime Minister's office in panic when they 86 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: first started hearing that stories were coming about Britney Higgins. 87 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: How according to Fiona Brown in her statement of claim, 88 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: did the staff in Morrison's office react to her and 89 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: ask her to behave. 90 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: Well, they reacted very badly as far as Fiona was concerned. 91 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: They wanted to shut the whole thing down, and they 92 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: appear to have felt that the best way to get 93 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: rid of it was to freeze Fiona Brown out of 94 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: all of it and just take it on themselves to 95 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: try to kill the story, deal with the story as 96 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: best they can. But part of their feeling seems to be, 97 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: at least what they were telling her was it'll all 98 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: go away, don't worry about it. These things don't last. 99 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: Even without the benefit of hindsight. That was, you know, 100 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: for some pretty experienced media hands. They clearly didn't have 101 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: any idea how to deal with something of this magnitude. 102 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: In almost the most surprising of ways, Ricey. This is 103 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: coming back around to Scott Morrison. The allegation from Brittany Higgins, 104 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: which Morrison has always denied, was that there was a 105 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: cover up at the highest levels and it was all 106 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: about making sure Scott Morrison got reelected. Brown and Linda 107 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: Reynolds have said and two courts have agreed that they 108 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: were not part of any conspiracy at all. But what 109 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: Fiona Brown is describing is senior staff who were reacting 110 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: to this as a political story, weren't they They were. 111 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: I mean, let's get one thing very clear that neither 112 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds nor Fiona Brown was involved in any kind 113 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: of cover up, and that's been established now by two 114 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: very senior judges. But it does appear that when this 115 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: story broke, there were senior people in the Morrison government 116 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: who were prepared to I won't say go to any lengths, 117 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: but who I think acted from what Fiona Brown is saying, 118 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: who acted poorly in the way that they dealt with this. 119 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: And part of that was that they literally froze Fiona 120 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: Brown out of the whole process. They wouldn't let her 121 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: in on their meetings. They asked her for her evidence, 122 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: but then apparently didn't do anything with it. At times, 123 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: it seems they actually hid questions from her that were 124 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: being asked by the media. For what reason, who knows, 125 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: but it didn't give her any opportunity to respond. I mean, 126 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: not forget. There was a conflagration going on outside. The 127 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: media was hounding her. There were questions being asked under 128 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: parliamentary privilege in Parliament that completely skewered Fiona Brown as 129 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: having in some way connived in or overlooked the rape 130 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: of Britney Higgins for political reasons. It was a very 131 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: febrile atmosphere and Fiona Brown was really given no chance 132 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 2: at all to present her side of the story. 133 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 1: Especially when Fiona Brown's story, as she has always maintained it, 134 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: this is her version of events, was good for the government, 135 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: according to her. She took Brittany Higgins to the police 136 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: office in Parliament House she encouraged. She in fact received 137 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: warm text messages from Britney Higgins thanking her for her help. 138 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: You've been around politics and around journalism for a long time, Ricey. 139 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: We've seen what happens when politicians don't know how to respond, 140 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: But it seems very unusual that they would not reveal 141 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: information at that stage that would have helped them. 142 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: Look, it doesn't make sense. I find it inexplicable that 143 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: you had these very seasoned political operatives in Morrison's office 144 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: who had a good message to sell. It was Fiona 145 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: Brown who had led Britney Higgins down to the AFP 146 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 2: office in Parliament House to report this. As you say, 147 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: they had a glowing text that Brittany had sent to 148 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 2: Fiona Brown only a couple of months after the incident, 149 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: which was absolutely praising Fiona for the great help that 150 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: she'd given her during that whole period. They had that 151 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: in their hands. Why didn't they offer that to the media. 152 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: They didn't Scott. 153 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: Morrison as the kind of lightning rod for rage and 154 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: anger about this whole issue. I think it was treated 155 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: a little bit unfairly in some public discourse. You know, 156 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: he was slated for saying, oh, I talked to Jenny, 157 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: and Jenny talked me through why this was significant. I 158 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: think he was reacting like many middle aged men might, 159 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: a little bit clumsily in his language, but there's no 160 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: suggestion that he didn't actually grasp that a rape was 161 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: bad or was serious. But it's Scott Morrison's interactions with 162 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: Fiona Brown that are odd and interesting if we had 163 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: to believe what she says in her statement of claim. 164 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: Fiona Brown says that Morrison initially shunned her completely, then 165 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: said publicly that he had spoken to her, and then, 166 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: according to her, kind of lent on her to make 167 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: that true, even though it wasn't. 168 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: Said we've spoken, haven't we, When she says that was 169 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 2: absolutely untrue. They had never done that, and she says 170 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 2: that she was intimidated by that. She immediately agreed and 171 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: she was bewildered. She actually didn't know what was happening 172 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: at that point until she thought about it afterwards and 173 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: realized that he was trying to put into her mouth 174 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: something that didn't actually happen. 175 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: Coming up more of my conversation with Stephen Rice. Now, 176 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: of course Scott Morrison has always denied wrongdoing. This is 177 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: a statement of claim, so she gets to have her say. 178 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: We're not going to hear his side of the story 179 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: for a very long time until and if this matter 180 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: makes its way to court. But this is part of 181 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: a fair work claim by Fiona Brown against the Commonwealth. 182 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: What does she want. 183 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: She wants an acknowledgment that she was wronged by the government. 184 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: In legal terms, she wants the court to find that 185 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: there was a breach of the Fair Work Act, that 186 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: the Commonwealth did not live up to its responsibilities to 187 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: keep her safe in her working environment, and she wants 188 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: some damages for that. Let's not forget that her life 189 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: was destroyed by this whole episode. She hasn't been able 190 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 2: to work since, her mental health in particular has been devastated, 191 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: so she's hoping to get some justice out of this case. 192 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: The Commonwealth is, though robustly defending this with some pretty 193 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: expensive lawyers on they. 194 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: Extraordinary the amount of money that they have thrown at 195 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: defending this case. It would be remarkable enough anyway, even 196 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 2: if you didn't contrast it to the amount of scrutiny 197 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: that they gave to the two point four million dollars 198 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 2: that they gave to Britney Higgins, which was no scrutiny 199 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 2: at all. And part of Fiona Brown's claim is that 200 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: she was further damaged because she was never given an 201 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: opportunity to challenge the settlement that Britney Higgins got. Most 202 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: people after that thought, well she got two point four 203 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: million dollars. Her story must have been right, her story 204 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: must have been examined properly, and therefore the allegations against 205 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: Fiona Brown must be true. All of this just multiplied 206 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: in terms of the damage that it was doing to 207 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: Fiona Brown. 208 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: Stephen Rice is The Australian's new South Wales editor. You 209 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: can read this story and all Rice is reporting right 210 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: now at the Australian dot com. Do reju