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Speaker 1: Happy mid Healthy is Year. Welcome to the daily podcast

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Speaker 1: and Body and Soul called healthy Ish of course with

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Speaker 1: me your host Felicity Harley for some extra mid year inspiration.

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Speaker 1: This week we're dropping the most popular episodes from the

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Speaker 1: past six months now. This episode we recorded back in January.

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Speaker 1: I was joined in the studio by the delightful nutritionist

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Speaker 1: and wellness entrepreneur Jessica Sepaul. She chats about how she

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Speaker 1: has learnt to stop being so harsh on her body.

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Speaker 1: If you want more from jess she is up on

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Speaker 1: extra Healthy Ish where she opened up about her struggles

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Speaker 1: with perfectionism. You can search for that wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. Welcome into Body and Soul HQ.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: So nice to see you remember in person.

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Speaker 4: And I remember actually coming and having a lunch meeting

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Speaker 4: with Bodies of the beginning of my career. I studied

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Speaker 4: around the corner and I remember getting my first interview

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Speaker 4: with the journalist A Body and Soul literally at the cafe.

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Speaker 2: Next door, and I remember that was just such a

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Speaker 2: career highlight for me.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: Probably, yeah, I think it was when janev Rosen was

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Speaker 4: yes Gin Yeah, she's so amazing and look what you've.

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Speaker 3: Done in ten years. Well done.

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Speaker 1: Now, I just want to pick up on something that

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Speaker 1: you have written on your website, which I think is

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Speaker 1: really pertinent for this time of year. You're passionate about

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Speaker 1: empowering people to give up dieting, nourish their bodies, and

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Speaker 1: find balance with food and fitness for life. At this

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Speaker 1: time of year, so many of us are probably more

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Speaker 1: than likely bombarded, yes with diets.

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Speaker 2: The noise from the diet industry. How do you do

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Speaker 2: health industry?

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Speaker 3: But for yourself from this.

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Speaker 2: And this is my passion.

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Speaker 4: That's really why I started Jay is Health because I

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Speaker 4: myself was so confused and overwhelmed from that bombardment from

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Speaker 4: the diet industry.

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Speaker 2: Just so confusing because everyone's telling you to do something different.

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Speaker 4: By the end of it, you're totally connected from your

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Speaker 4: own self and your own body, and unfortunately, it really

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Speaker 4: distresses your relationship with food and your body for the

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Speaker 4: long term. And so I started jay Yourself as a

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Speaker 4: way to prove to women and myself there's a better

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Speaker 4: way to live a healthy life. It took me ten

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Speaker 4: years to undiet, by the way, because from the age

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Speaker 4: of about fourteen, I was a chronic fad dieter, just

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Speaker 4: obsessed with the number and the scale, calorie counting, just

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Speaker 4: numbers in general, and it really distressed my relationship with

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Speaker 4: myself with food, my body. It was a tormented relationship.

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Speaker 4: And I went and studied a Bachelor of Health for

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Speaker 4: three years and then nutritional medicine for two and slowly, slowly,

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Speaker 4: also through therapy, started undieting and I honestly found freedom

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Speaker 4: with food, which to this day I'm still so grateful

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Speaker 4: for I'm proud of because in this moment, maybe fifteen

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Speaker 4: years later, my relationship with food has never been stronger.

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Speaker 4: And I have not weighed myself. I've not looked at

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Speaker 4: a calorie counting app. I have not measured how many

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Speaker 4: carbohydrates are in something. I'm able to eat a meal

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Speaker 4: or the gelato that was presented to me on a

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Speaker 4: I'm so grateful to have that peaceful relationship with food,

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Speaker 4: and that's really what started Jay's health. I was like,

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to scream to the world, especially to

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Speaker 4: to live a healthy, balanced life and you don't need

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Speaker 4: to be entrenched in that tormented cycle of restriction deprivation

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Speaker 4: followed by overreading and binge eating. And got my first

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Speaker 4: book deal I think it was like now ten years ago,

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Speaker 4: which was just which was amazing because it gave me

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Speaker 4: that platform to show women that.

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Speaker 2: There is a better way. It was called The Healthy Life.

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Speaker 3: I still got that book, by the way, on my

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: For anyone who is feeling the pressure of the diet culture, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what would be your advice?

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Speaker 2: Ironestly as simple as blocking it out?

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Speaker 4: Like if you're following people on social media who are

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Speaker 4: so biochemically unique. Honestly, what works for me may not

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Speaker 4: the more your relationship with food heels, the better you

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Speaker 4: become at tuning into your body. Become an intuitive eater

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Speaker 4: is what we call it. And there is nothing better

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Speaker 4: because you realize how good you start to feel. But

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Speaker 4: first thing is to actually disconnect from that noise. However,

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Speaker 4: you can, like the conversations around it, the people you're following.

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Speaker 2: Block it out.

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Speaker 4: Secondly, I'm not a fan of number counting, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Back early in the early days of Jay's Health, it

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Speaker 4: was so cool when Instagram first started. I used to

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Speaker 4: get videos of the Jay's Health girls we call them

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Speaker 4: throwing literally taking their scales and throwing it into the skip,

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Speaker 4: which was so empowering because why should that number dictate

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Speaker 4: your self worth? For me, but ten years, that number

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Speaker 4: on the scale would determine my self worse. I can't

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Speaker 4: even like I just I'm sorry, I'm just picturing weighing

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Speaker 4: who was my husband. He was my boyfriend at the time,

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Speaker 4: my husband now, and he said, yes, enough is enough,

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Speaker 4: and we together walked to the Skippin and throughout the scale.

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Speaker 2: And that was the last time I ever owned a scale.

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Speaker 3: You must have felt so empowered doing that.

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Speaker 4: It was actually it wasn't in that moment. In that moment,

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Speaker 4: I said to myself, don't worry your secretly, go back

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Speaker 3: It like our literal lines work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was not actually freeing for me in

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Speaker 4: that moment. That's what I like to say to women.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to feel easy initially, but the freedom

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Speaker 4: self worth and your health status is extremely freeing, but

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Speaker 4: also so good for your relationship with your body in

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Speaker 4: the long term, for your body image. For you know,

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Speaker 4: It just comes with being a fad diet honestly in

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Speaker 4: you'll see how freeing it becomes and how much stronger

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Speaker 3: How do you.

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Speaker 1: Nourish your body today? Talk to us about how you

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Speaker 1: tune into your body.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have to say, like at this time,

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Speaker 4: exciting for everyone else out there because it can become

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Speaker 4: your natural way too. But it takes time. It takes

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Speaker 4: time to figure out which foods work for you. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we know those nutritious whole foods. We've heard it time

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Speaker 4: and time again on your incredible podcasts and all the

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Speaker 4: podcasts of what.

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Speaker 2: We should be eating, but.

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Speaker 4: Also letting go of the restriction and deprivation and giving

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Speaker 4: yourself permission to enjoy. I think, I think the joy

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Speaker 4: many ways. Like sometimes I catch myself still because I

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Speaker 4: was a fat diet for so many years, feeling guilt

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Speaker 3: All women do that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do that, don't they?

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Speaker 4: And I sort of practice, Okay, why am I still

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Speaker 4: feeling that guilt? And how important it is for me

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Speaker 4: to indulge without the guilt and actually enjoy. But it's

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Speaker 4: mindful eating, And I know again we've heard that time

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Speaker 4: How many of us are actually sitting in front of

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Speaker 4: our meals slowly like eating, mindfully, connecting to that food,

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Speaker 4: being grateful for that food. I know it sounds corny,

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Speaker 4: being a mindful eater, but that is actually essentially what

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Speaker 4: allows you to reconnect to food and your body. Sitting

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Speaker 4: understanding how you feel afterwards.

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Speaker 4: And slowly you'll realize that meal that includes protein, good fats,

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Speaker 4: I don't feels energized, or if you don't have that protein.

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Speaker 2: My big thing is protein and good fats at lunch

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Speaker 2: So just starting to connect.

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Speaker 4: it doesn't make me energize. It makes me extremely tired.

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Speaker 4: And we know that caffeine has such an impact on

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Speaker 4: our cortisole levels, our adrenaline can affect the sleep cycle,

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Speaker 4: to one coffee a day before eleven am, which is

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Speaker 4: my rule because of how much what energized I feel,

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Speaker 4: or I call it the Ja's Health four to five

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Speaker 4: pm snack. You have that protein rich snack which I

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Speaker 3: What do you so?

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Speaker 4: Either Greek yogurt with cinnamon, a Jay's Health protein bar,

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Speaker 4: could be a boiled egg, could be carrots with homers.

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Speaker 4: It could be any protein bar. You can find green

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Speaker 4: apples with umbla. I love at the moment, But those

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Speaker 4: are little changes. Implementations can make such a big difference

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Speaker 4: to how you feel. Ultimately, the whole point of this

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Speaker 4: is to feel good. What is allowing you to feel good?

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Speaker 3: Well, said Jess.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on help me, Thank you, thanks for

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Speaker 1: tuning in to this midyear best of series. We will

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Speaker 1: hopefully tomorrow, stay healthy,