WEBVTT - AFL, we have a problem

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<v Speaker 1>When Robo declares it's the worst he's seeing in thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years of covering the game. AFL, we have a problem

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<v Speaker 1>with umpiring, no matter what you say. In signing off

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<v Speaker 1>on contentious calls, Hello and welcome to the Herald Sun

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<v Speaker 1>Footy Podcast. I'm Andy Belaise. Today Glenn McFarlan will join

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<v Speaker 1>me to chat about the recent umpiring decisions that have

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<v Speaker 1>footy fans up in arms and what the AFL needs

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<v Speaker 1>to do about it. And the Hawks they're the most

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<v Speaker 1>exciting team in footy right now and can they, heaven

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<v Speaker 1>forbid make the finals this year? Well, let's get into

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<v Speaker 1>it with Macca and here again on the Herald Sun

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<v Speaker 1>Footy Podcast. Glenn McFarlan joins me Ko maca.

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<v Speaker 2>Andy, how are you well? I'm all right, but the

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<v Speaker 2>umpires angst about it? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>There is that basically all that we've been talking about

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<v Speaker 1>for two days. And it really kind of has overshadowed

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<v Speaker 1>what was an incredible comeback win by calling it one.

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<v Speaker 3>For the ages it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it sort of overshadowed the last few rounds,

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't it. It's been probably a pretty difficult last three

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<v Speaker 2>or four weeks for the umpires, and we don't blame

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<v Speaker 2>them in their entirety.

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<v Speaker 3>They have got the hardest job in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll preface what I'm going to say by this

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<v Speaker 2>little rider to say that they have got the hardest

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<v Speaker 2>job in the world and they're asked to officiate in

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<v Speaker 2>almost unbearable circumstances sometimes, but when they get it wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to say they got it wrong. Yes, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's there in front of us. We can see that

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<v Speaker 2>the mistakes that they actually make, and.

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<v Speaker 1>These days even more so because there out there are

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<v Speaker 1>multiple angles. There's absolutely slow motion behind the goals is

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<v Speaker 1>up in the sky. There's all these angles that where

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<v Speaker 1>we can pinpoint yes, that was a throw, even though

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<v Speaker 1>it may not have looked like it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, in real.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, and I copped the throw bits. I cop that

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<v Speaker 2>because umpires can't. We're basing it on the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>we're watching it on the camera. And as you say,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got the best angles. Sometimes there's a player in

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<v Speaker 2>front of them, or sometimes they're out of position. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there's four of them out there. I'm of the theory

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<v Speaker 2>there still should be three. But in regard to that,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're in a position that they're going to miss

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<v Speaker 2>some throws or some you know, non disposals properly. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's the ones like the non fifty meter penalty you

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<v Speaker 2>know that should have been paid on, you know, on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>They're the ones that you go, well, this is where

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<v Speaker 3>the umpire got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And Laura Kay and she you know, probably confused everyone

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit yesterday by talking about you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>where things were going with that and sort of supporting

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<v Speaker 2>the upile. The umpire got it wrong in the first

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<v Speaker 2>part where he needed to call play on and he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't call play on when a couple of calling of

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<v Speaker 2>players over the mark. Forget for a moment that Bailey

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<v Speaker 2>Scott's moved off his line until the umpire actually calls on,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not play.

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<v Speaker 1>On exactly, and so it's one of the others. It's

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<v Speaker 1>play on, yep, or it's a fifty correct, it's one

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<v Speaker 1>or the other. If the whistle wasn't blown for play on,

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<v Speaker 1>it has to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be hundred percent. And that's the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the problem with what Laura K said. Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>it that she created this, She did this this gray

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<v Speaker 1>area of well it should have been play on, so

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<v Speaker 1>the players.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very confusing and underwater and I'm one

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<v Speaker 2>of those people that and Robo interesting column today he

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<v Speaker 2>said it's the worst officiating he'd seen in thirty years.

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<v Speaker 3>It is damning, and I get where he's coming from.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it is because I've seen some instances

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, but I get where he's coming from.

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<v Speaker 2>And the front part of it is from his perspective

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I think is the frustration that you know

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<v Speaker 2>things are happening like that.

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<v Speaker 3>We get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me be clear and say I make mistakes every

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<v Speaker 2>single day, like I'm probably making one. By the end

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<v Speaker 2>of this podcast here I will have made several. But

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<v Speaker 2>the point I'm trying to make is we all make

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<v Speaker 2>mistakes own up to them. I actually respect people that say, geez,

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<v Speaker 2>we got this wrong, We're going to fix it, We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to try not to do this again. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think the umpires, I don't know what we do at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of this year, because we've had some you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a couple of weeks ago when I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing the Sunday Tackle and really tearing my hair out

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<v Speaker 2>watching all the games, and that was the day that

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<v Speaker 2>we had the Alliot Yo scenario, which I still the AFL.

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<v Speaker 3>Tick that off and I'm like, how can you tick

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<v Speaker 3>that off?

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<v Speaker 2>And also the mac Andrew one, which fortunately enough, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not fortunately enough for Gold Coast, but fortunately enough

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<v Speaker 2>for those of us watching, they did come out and

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<v Speaker 2>say they got that one wrong, which was horribly wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>We've just had a you know, a two.

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<v Speaker 2>To three week period where it's been really tough, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to continue to grow the talk about umpires.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's be honest when we've made a mistake. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>say we've made a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, because they get as you say, they get so

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<v Speaker 1>much right, so absolutely, no one, no one begrudges. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day when there was one umpire, absolutely and

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<v Speaker 1>so many mistakes, people just laughed about correct and they'd

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<v Speaker 1>pull the umpire, pull a free kick out fifty meters away,

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<v Speaker 1>blow the whistle, and everyone to be up in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it happens.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, isn't it weird that these things happen, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes towards the end of the game.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure if it happened in the second quarter, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to really matter. You don't talk about it

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<v Speaker 3>as much.

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<v Speaker 2>And back then, really, when we're talking about third years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we were really seeing a couple of games

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<v Speaker 2>a weekend. We weren't watching every single game World Wars,

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<v Speaker 2>all the replays correct, correct, But I just just I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what what what the what we do?

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<v Speaker 3>How do we fix this scenario?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think it's always a worry when you're

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<v Speaker 2>changing interpretation through the year. I think that's always a problem,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's always a concern. I think they're in a

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<v Speaker 2>way second guessing themselves, the umpires they are.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a very interesting Josh Barnes as the piece that

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<v Speaker 1>went lives today online. It's in today's papers how much

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<v Speaker 1>the controversial calls that have impacted games, and when you

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<v Speaker 1>go back through them, it's amazing how yes, one decision

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't cost a team because there's a whole game correct,

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<v Speaker 1>But these these calls that that were very you know

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<v Speaker 1>towards the end of the game in the defensive war

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<v Speaker 1>offensive fifty, that that could have really swung the results

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<v Speaker 1>the way. It's quite amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>And you look at the Grand fightal last year, you

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<v Speaker 3>look at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you look at that in the in the

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<v Speaker 2>dying moments, so You've got so many moments there it

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<v Speaker 2>is there been one that stood out for you that

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<v Speaker 2>has had you tearing your hair out.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, my love of Melourn football clubs well known, Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was that I just had to bring this out.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, I mean, you don't. You don't get thirty

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<v Speaker 1>odd points down and expect to win. So I'll preface

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<v Speaker 1>it with that. But against Carton in round nine, the

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob van roy and dangerous tackle and I think Steve mcbernie,

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<v Speaker 1>the umpire's boss, came out and said that was probably

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<v Speaker 1>milked free kick so they might have put their half

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<v Speaker 1>a hand up and said that was kind of wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>but that that cost Melbourne the game. It did because

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<v Speaker 1>they were coming and they got to with one within

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<v Speaker 1>one point within with twenty seconds to go, so with

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<v Speaker 1>that extra goal they would have.

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<v Speaker 3>Won the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you've got that off your chest. You did

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<v Speaker 2>tell me to raise that one, No you didn't, listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>he did not. But yeah, and I'm the obboste you

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<v Speaker 2>know who I barrick for in that sense. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying that was a that was a fifty meter penalty

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday without any shadow it out now he's still

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<v Speaker 2>got to kick the goal. Yes, you're probably going to

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<v Speaker 2>kick the goal. You're going to be close enough mcearroy

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<v Speaker 2>and make the part correct or.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't make the part.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's no given certainty about anything like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you think about, you know, scenarios like that, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>always go that way. All I will say is that

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<v Speaker 2>there is a lack of confidence. And if there is

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<v Speaker 2>from the fans, imagine how it is for the players

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<v Speaker 2>who have then got to work out on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what are we going to do? We're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>instances of players and even from a tackling perspective or

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<v Speaker 2>who are not necessarily going to the ball now, which

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<v Speaker 2>that's when I'm not sure that's the game that we

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<v Speaker 2>all know and love so well. I think maybe over

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<v Speaker 2>summer we need a summit, an umpire summit, where we

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<v Speaker 2>sit down and we work out what is going on

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<v Speaker 2>with this game and let's not change any more interpretations

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<v Speaker 2>during the year.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. I think that's enough of the negative. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk positive. After the break, we're going to talk Hawks

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<v Speaker 1>and you're back here on the Herald Sun Footy podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Andy Belaiz, I'm with Glenn McFarlan and Macha. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk the most exciting team in footy right now. I

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<v Speaker 1>know we wouldn't have said this at the start of

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<v Speaker 1>the years. They're a happy team at Hawforlle and they

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<v Speaker 1>really are a happy team. I love the selfie shot

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of every game. I love the energy,

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<v Speaker 1>the vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>I made a few comments a few weeks ago that

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to be, you know, in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be destination Dingley because everyone's going to

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<v Speaker 2>want to play there because of the way they're playing

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<v Speaker 2>their footy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's exciting, it's a very good brand.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got an exceptional coach and their list what they've

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<v Speaker 2>been able to put together. Imagine if they play finals

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<v Speaker 2>after losing the first five games. I've got a little

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<v Speaker 2>scenario where I reckon they can if everything goes right.

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<v Speaker 1>If you remember the start of the season fair March,

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<v Speaker 1>when Will Day went down and they had a multitude

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<v Speaker 1>of injuries and they couldn't work out who was going

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<v Speaker 1>to play where Mitch Lewis was iffy and then was

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<v Speaker 1>injured and they were just it was. It was devastation Dingley,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. But now it's destination. They're they're exciting, they're fun,

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<v Speaker 1>they're playing a brand of footy that every team.

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<v Speaker 2>Would like to they are and I think that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to attract This is the powerful thing as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only is it good on the ladder. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're at Waverley at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>By the end of next year they'll be into this

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<v Speaker 2>multi million dollar Dingley.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the end of next year.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to entice some really good players there to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Dingley's a fair way out as we do know,

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<v Speaker 2>but they've got this huge, unbelievable setup they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have there and they are on the lookout for talents.

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<v Speaker 2>So while they've got some great talent in there at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, they are going to be incredibly aggressive, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>for a defender. They're heavily into you know, Josh Battle,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get Josh Battle there. There's others as well

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<v Speaker 2>that Hawthorne are trying to get into the club now.

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<v Speaker 2>So they are exciting right now. And could they play finals,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be a remarkable comeback.

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<v Speaker 1>What have they got? What's their run had?

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<v Speaker 2>This is an interesting one. Let's run through it and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what you're going to give them as well.

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<v Speaker 2>They're currently seven to seven. They're worry at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the ninety two point seven percentage. That's a real worry.

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<v Speaker 2>So the same amount of wins as they were last

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<v Speaker 2>year right now ready, which is quite amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>So West Coast in Perth, it's a fifty to fifty

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<v Speaker 3>I reckon, it's a tick. I'll give them that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Geelong at gmhbae Long the vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 3>They're beatable.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty to fifty game. I reckon, maybe if you free

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<v Speaker 2>Maddle and Tazzy, I'm giving them that. I saw Freematal

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<v Speaker 2>on the weekend. Hawthorne play Tazzy really well. Collingwood at

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<v Speaker 2>the MCG tough, yeah, but they not without a chance

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<v Speaker 2>fifty As long as I for as long as I

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<v Speaker 2>can remember, Hawthorn's always played well against Collingwood Adelaide at

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<v Speaker 2>the Adelaide Oval. You give them a week, give them

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<v Speaker 2>a win there, GWS and Canberra there's a chance, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a chance, there's a chance Carlton the MCG is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be tough. Then they come home with these two

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<v Speaker 2>Richmond the MCG tick, North Melbourne in Tazzy Launceston tick

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<v Speaker 2>possible percentage exactly and that's what they need to do

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<v Speaker 2>to boost. If not, they're going to need to win,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the percentage is going to be a huge problem,

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<v Speaker 2>so that means they need to win an extra game.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm looking at the certainty for their making is

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<v Speaker 2>to win seven of the nine. Now that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty tough. Could they win six of the nine

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<v Speaker 2>possibly and go pretty close that to get them to

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen wins last year to get into the finals, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to have twelve wins and a draw.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're going to be line ball.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a number of teams in that yep, six

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<v Speaker 1>to ten position on the ladder, though at the moment

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<v Speaker 1>aren't there.

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<v Speaker 3>There are?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what makes this season so interesting is

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<v Speaker 1>that anyone, not even within reason, any team can beat

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<v Speaker 1>any team in a yeah, and I think we said

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<v Speaker 1>here last week or the week before that.

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon there's probably three really strong winning premiership chances.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sticking to that, and then there's some really even

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<v Speaker 2>sides well, and then one about.

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<v Speaker 1>One of your premiership chances was fifty four points down

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<v Speaker 1>against the bottom team, you know, halfway through the third quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, any team.

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<v Speaker 2>And any team you can do it. Fly two Denis

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<v Speaker 2>did it again, didn't they? So but it is and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a fascinating year. And I'll tell you what though,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they do this year Hawthorne, if they just miss

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<v Speaker 2>out or whatever, I'm always a subscriber. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some people say, don't play finals if you're not ready,

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<v Speaker 2>that's garbage, that's crap. You play finals if you can,

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<v Speaker 2>because you get the advantage of having that experience, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're getting that. They got some great experience on the

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<v Speaker 2>weekend in front of ninety two thousand fans. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I think, not only this year, they are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a power and a force. Know, these these poor

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<v Speaker 2>Hawthorne supporters have had this long drought, long Premiership drought,

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<v Speaker 2>and haven't had a lot of success.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight years in our finals Macher, I mean no, they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't won a flag in ten years. It's just so sad.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel for them. But I'm sure they'll get through.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think they will. I think it's at least

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<v Speaker 1>please not be another three pete. Let's never hear the

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<v Speaker 1>word Forethorn again. But they are going to They are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a good coach though, he is a really good coach.

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<v Speaker 2>He's done it the right way. He's changed his in

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<v Speaker 2>a way, he's changed a bit of his personality. He's hard,

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<v Speaker 2>he's still got the hard edge, but he's got a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of fun about it as well, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>see that they're really responding to about the players.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, watch this space with the Hawks finals.

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<v Speaker 2>We're giving him maybe maybe, Thanks Macher, Thanks Andy Chiz,

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<v Speaker 2>that'll do us.

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<v Speaker 1>On today's Harold's On Footy podcast, I'm Andy BelAZ and

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<v Speaker 1>my thanks to Glenn McFarlan for joining me today. Make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you keep an eye out for all the coverage

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<v Speaker 1>from the Australian Football Hall of Fame on Tuesday night,

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<v Speaker 1>then trade buzz from Moneyball on Wednesday morning, Nick mcguon's

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<v Speaker 1>analysis Thursday lunchtime, all the game day coverage over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>and then as always Robbos can't misstackle on Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll catch you next week.