1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: It's Friday, October eleventh. Prime Minister Anthony Albaniezi has called 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: out China's maneuvering in the South China Sea in a 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: speech to the Asian Summit. The PM says international waterways 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: should remain open. A bombshell revelation from a new episode 6 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: of the Australian's investigative podcast Bromwyn. John Winfield fathered a 7 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: child in nineteen seventy two when he was a teenager. 8 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Now his long lost daughter has come forward to try 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: and help solve the suspected murder of the woman Winfield 10 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: married more than a decade later. John Winfield has always 11 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: denied any involvement in Bromwin's disappearance or suspected murder. Episode 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: thirteen of Bromwyn is available now for the Australian subscribers 13 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: us to listen at Bromwin podcast dot com. Abortion was 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: not an issue in the Queensland election until suddenly it 15 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: very much was today. How a rogue issue took off 16 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: in the down and dirty campaign that's suddenly taken an 17 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: unexpected twist. 18 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: Do you know my position neither of those part of 19 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: our plan. 20 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: And this is Queensland Opposition leader David Chris a fully 21 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: on the campaign trail as he storms through Queensland, and. 22 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: I have been very, very firmly I'm not going. 23 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: To And this is The Australian's reporter, Lydia Lynch, and. 24 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: My position is there will be no change. I'm being 25 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: upfront with you. 26 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm telling you there will be no change. 27 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: Can you please? That is as definitive as I can be. 28 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: And on either of those issues. 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: I've been very upcut Lydia has been on the trail 30 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: with Chris fully visiting farms and factories and burning up 31 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: miles of freeway and every time he steps off the bus, Lydia, 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: is there too. 33 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: That others are trained see from the people in your 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: own party that are talking about it, mister Chrystal fully so, 35 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: I think it's a fair question to ask if your 36 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: positioned from twenty twenty two. 37 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: It's about abortion, an issue that has done what issues 38 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: do to leaders in election campaigns, that is, it's gone wild. 39 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: Abortion as a policy went from being a nothing burger 40 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: to a very big something burger that no matter what 41 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: he does, Chris Fooley can't get rid of. 42 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 4: In Queensland. 43 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: Usually a politician can be facing scrutiny and then just 44 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: stuck up to the regions for a couple of days 45 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: to take the heat off. But in an election campaign 46 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: there's an entire contingent of press gallery journalists following them 47 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: around all day, every day, so that scrutiny just is magnified. 48 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: Here's Lydia. She's us come from a sugar refinery visit 49 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: with Chris A Foley. 50 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: We went down the road about an hour from Makai 51 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 3: today to a town called Serena and we did a 52 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: bit of a tour of a sugar refinery there and 53 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 3: we got to watch over chrisa fully taste. I don't 54 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: know how many different types of rum he tasted, but 55 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: I'm sure he was happy. 56 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 4: He did the press conference before that tour. 57 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Did you get any room? No? 58 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 4: I stayed clear. I had stories left to right. 59 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Here's the state of play in Queensland. As in the 60 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: rest of Australia, abortion is basically safe, legal and rare. 61 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, the Labor government in Queensland removed abortion 62 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: from the criminal Code. 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: Before that, it was a crime to have an abortion 64 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: in Queensland. When the laws passed in twenty eighteen, the 65 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: l ANDP gave its MPs a conscience vote on the bill, 66 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: which means they're allowed to vote how they personally feel, 67 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: they don't have to vote on party line, and every 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: single LMP MP voted to keep abortion in the criminal 69 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 3: Code except for three MPs. That was Tim Nichols, Jan 70 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: Stuckey and Steve Minniken. They faced serious styclash from party 71 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 3: members and also from the Liberal National Party headquarters, which 72 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: threatened all three of their pre selections for the next election. 73 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: So ahead of the last election, I put questions to 74 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: the then leader deb Preclington asking what the plans were 75 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: on abortion. 76 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 4: She said to me, if. 77 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: They were elected, she would bring about a review to 78 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: look at lowering that gestation limit from twenty two weeks 79 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: and maybe putting in some sort of compulsory counseling for 80 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 3: women that were seeking an abortion. 81 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 4: They didn't win that election, so this issue kind of 82 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 4: died off. 83 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: Everything changed this week when video emerged two of David 84 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 3: Chrisofulli's LMP MPs making comments. 85 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 4: Of public forums. 86 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: One of those was Tony Perritt, he's a front bed, 87 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: he's a member for Gimp He was asked about abortion 88 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: at a public forum and he said, you know, I've 89 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: always voted against it and I'll continue to do so 90 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: into the future. But really the big quotes that really 91 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: kicked it off was from a long serving backbench at 92 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: John Crowsey. He represents the area of scenic Rim, which 93 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: is just sort of southwest of Brisbane. 94 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: I see some serious issues with the present law and 95 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 2: would certainly be a part of bringing about like minded 96 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: members to try and deal with those issues. 97 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 3: That really sent a red flag out to voters that 98 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 3: it might not be such a decided issue amongst the 99 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 3: L and P if there's people inside David Chrysofili's party 100 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: room that are signaling their plans to either roll back 101 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 3: the legislation or at least put in some more restrictions 102 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 3: around abortion. 103 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: What do you make of the way he's responding to it, Lydia, 104 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: He just doesn't want to talk about it, does he? 105 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: All Right? I think I've asked him about abortion for 106 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: four or five days in a row. It became again 107 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: a more heightened issue for him when Robbie Cutter, who's 108 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: a crossbencher in Queensland, he committed to introducing legislation straight 109 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: away into the Parliament after the election that would either 110 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: repeal or make it harder to get an abortion in Queensland. 111 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 4: Essentially. 112 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: Traditionally in the LMP, there's a really long standing practice 113 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: that on matters of life or death, MPs are given 114 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 3: a conscience vote, so they don't have to vote on 115 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:35,119 Speaker 3: the party lines. 116 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 4: They can make up their own mind. 117 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: But David crucifully for four days, has refused to guarantee 118 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 3: that his MPs will have a conscience vote on this. 119 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: He can say every day it's not part of my plan, 120 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: and it might not be part of his plan, but 121 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: it's part of Robbie Cutter's plan to introduce this legislation. 122 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: And there are quite a number of MPs in the 123 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 3: L and P party room and also candidates that are 124 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: running and winnable seats who have very staunch pro life views. 125 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: And I don't think on an issue like abortion, which 126 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: is a very emotive issue for a lot of people 127 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: and a lot of MPs, if there's a bill before 128 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: the House and that's going to put some restrictions around it, 129 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: and you're a very pro life person, it's hard to 130 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: see how they would not vote to support that legislation. 131 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: So Labor has very successfully set a trap or created 132 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: a wedge where Chris and Foley is now every day 133 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: having to talk about this the thing that he wants 134 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: to talk about. 135 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: Least right, he's completely wedged on this issue, and that's 136 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: why he's not saying whether or not he's going to 137 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: give his MPs a conscience vote, because if he does 138 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: give them a conscience vote, he'll be very likely renegging 139 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: on his promise that there'll be no changes. But if 140 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 3: he doesn't give them a conscience vote, they'll be complete 141 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 3: uproar in the LMP, because, like I said, it's a 142 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: really long standing practice in the party that they can 143 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: vote freely on matters of life and death. I think 144 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: the way that it will have the most cut through 145 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: is with social media, and Labour's really ramming this on 146 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: their social media advertising. 147 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: Coming up the Labor candidate's own car crash moment. In 148 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: every election campaign, there's a lot of serious policy being 149 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: discussed and then there's just silly moments of joy that 150 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: must make your life with living as a reporter on 151 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: the campaign trail, Lidia, like when the premier forgot the 152 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: name of his own Labor candidate, tell me what happened. 153 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: Oh, yes, I was fun. 154 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: We were out following Steven Miles as he was campaigning 155 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: in one of the cada's Australia Party seats of Morani. 156 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: The premier spent two days in that seat and a 157 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: few of US journalists noticed that we hadn't seen Labour's 158 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: key ended it for that seat, despite two visits in 159 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: two days. So one of the other reporters asked him, 160 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: you know where is your candidate for Marannie and the 161 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: Premier's answer he said, oh, I'm not sure where they are. 162 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: I'll find out. I'll find out where the how I 163 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 4: let you know. And as soon as he said day, 164 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: I got a bit suspicious. 165 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: I thought, Oh, he doesn't know this candidate's name. 166 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 4: Candidate, I don't have that detail in front of me. 167 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 3: You don't know the name of the cadidate that's running 168 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 3: in the seat that you're in today. 169 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 4: Susan, Yeah, of course it's Susan. Yeah. I was with 170 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 4: it the other night. 171 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: Luckily for the Premier, his deputy Cameron Dick was standing 172 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: behind him and could offer up Susan Teddy's name to 173 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: the Premier. But I was a bad gaff and really 174 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 3: you think the premier would be being briefed by the 175 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: gaggle of advisors that are following him around the state. 176 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: How did he recover from that and what do you 177 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: think it tells us about how he's enjoying the campaign. 178 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: The Premier does seem to be pretty upbeat throughout the 179 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: campaign for somebody that's on track to lose according to 180 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 3: every opinion poll that's been published for a year. 181 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 4: Though he didn't seem too happy with the media. 182 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 3: The next day, he didn't go as far as apologizing 183 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: to Susan Tedder for forgetting her name, but you know, 184 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: he said, I'm going to forget things from time to 185 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: time and if you all want to make that your 186 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: the lead of your bulletins, that's up to you. 187 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: He's taken a bit of a hospital pass, has any 188 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: of this premiere He took over from Anastasia Palache, a 189 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: long serving and very dominant character in Queensland politics, and 190 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: now he's the one left to steer the ship away 191 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: from the rocks, if you can. 192 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: And that's the feedback that we're already hearing, or I 193 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: guess the line that's already been fed to some journalists 194 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: from people inside the Labor government is that Anasja Palache 195 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: should have left sooner to give Stephen Miles time to 196 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: make his mark. But you know, Queensland is a weird 197 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 3: stage and although all signs are pointing to a pretty 198 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: strong Labor defeat, things can change here. As Scott Morrison 199 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: discovered at the twenty twenty two election, Queensland was a 200 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: state that delivered him that miracle victory. So it'll really 201 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: depend on how the next two weeks of campaigning goes 202 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 3: for both leaders. 203 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 4: I think. 204 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: Biddy Lynch is the Australian's Queensland political reporter. 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