1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Crickets Podcast. 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: The follow on. My name is Courtney Welsh's senior reporter 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: at Fox Sports Australia, delighted to be joined by Michael Vaughan, 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: the former England captain and a long time favorite of Fox, 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: member of the family for many years. Ahead of the Ashes, 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: which shapes us an enthralling series to come. 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: How are you, Michael, Yeah, I'm great. 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 3: You know, I've been coming to Australia for a number 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 3: of years and been here for many Ashley series, but 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: I've never known a build up like this one. I'm 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 3: here a bit earlier, so I'm getting to get a 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: feel for everything that's happening, both on an Australian sense 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: and obviously with England arriving in Perth in the last 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: few days from an England sense. But you always know 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 3: the ashes of around when cricket's on the front pages. 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: I was going to say, we talk about the front 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: pages and it's a front page today in Western Australia 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: which you may not have come across. It's Joe Route 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: arriving and they've rolled through his numbers. I think that 20 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: they did the same thing over there for ben stakes 21 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: and from memory you probably would have done it pre 22 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: set well a pre eshes pepsim perth yourself going back 23 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: in five certainly I know they didn't know seven. So 24 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: not unfamiliar territory for the English players to arrive. And 25 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: the Copper I suppose an evil when they're giving the 26 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: when they landed per the airport. 27 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: Well, the problem with that is the modern person hasn't 28 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: got a clue what paper is. They may have seen it, 29 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: but they don't really look at papers these days. It's 30 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 3: all part of being an England player arriving down under. 31 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 3: You know that you're going to copy it, you know 32 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: you're going to have a headline or two. You know 33 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: they're going to follow you. And I guess that's going 34 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: to be the skill set of the England players over 35 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 3: the next week or So's to make sure there's no controversy. 36 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: They can't let their guards slip off the field. They've 37 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 3: got to make sure that you know, they practice hard, 38 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: they prepare well for the twenty first of November, and 39 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: that they can shut have quite a few editors by 40 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: just playing good cricket and winning. That's the only thing 41 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: you can concentrate on as an England player down here 42 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: is playing well, doing well, getting hundreds again, a few wickets, 43 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: taking a few catches. If you do that, you end 44 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: up winning a few games and the headlines will soon change. 45 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: Just in terms of this podcast, slightly un Orthodox, we're 46 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: going to talk about the Eshes. Well, we'll touch on it. 47 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: A couple of questions about your own series in two 48 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: thousand and five, which is considered one of the great ones. 49 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: A couple of great moments from Esh's history with your 50 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: old mate Shane warn and a couple of old opponents 51 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: Steve war I think your time in the commentary box 52 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: you've seen a lot in terms of this great rivalry 53 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: between Australia and England over the over your career. 54 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: I guess yeah. 55 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned some moments there. I mean I 56 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: was there for Scotty Berland six or seven at the 57 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: g with Howie saying build him a statue. I was 58 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: at silly point for Steve Wall when he got one 59 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: hundred off the last ball of that second day in 60 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 3: two thousand and three. 61 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: Shane Warner. I was in the country, but I wasn't 62 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: in Melbourne. 63 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: He got his seven hundreds against Sir Andrew Strauss I 64 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 3: was headly in twenty nineteen when Ben Stokes play one 65 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: of the greatest thinnings of all time, getting England over 66 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: the line. 67 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: I was at Lord's for the Johnny baarstoincident. 68 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 3: I've seen some special moments in Ashley's history, and I'm 69 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: pretty sure over the next seven or eight weeks we're 70 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: going to have a few more. 71 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: Well, Mike Raddle through a couple of those ones. You 72 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: were standing the point when Steve Wall makes that last 73 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: ball century. I believe the spin and bowler introduced himself 74 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: now is a bowler who who bowled the ball at 75 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: Steve Ward made his last ball century from one of 76 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: your teammates. His names just escaped me for a second there, 77 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: Richard Dawson. That's right. Sorry, Matt Cueman was telling me 78 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: that when he when he arrived for County Cricket, Richard 79 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: Dawson introduced himself that way to him. What was he 80 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: getting to feel like at this CG that day and 81 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: as a rival as an opponent, are you looking at 82 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: that anticipation? You're doing all you came to stop him 83 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: from from getting to that milestone? 84 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so. 85 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm pretty sure Gilly was at the end 86 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: just knocking seen to try and get Steve Wore on strike. 87 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: It was an amazing atmosphere. We were four nil down 88 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: in this series. We've got an half decent number on 89 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: the board. And then Steve Wore came out to about 90 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: on date two. He wasn't in great nick, you know, 91 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: he'd not had a series like he had in previous 92 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: as series and suddenly started to play a few shots 93 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 3: and the atmosphere was all there for him to get 94 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 3: the three figures. We tried everything to try and I 95 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: guess delay that and try and take it into day three. 96 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: But it was a special moment. 97 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 3: No idea what I was doing at silly points, to 98 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: be honest, but Richard Dawson bowled him a nice little 99 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 3: ball outside off and he crashed it past my left 100 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: shin and I guess the rest is history. But he 101 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 3: was out pretty cheap with the next day and we 102 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: actually won that game, you know, we actually we didn't 103 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 3: get whitewash. 104 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: We managed to lose for one and win that Test match. 105 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 3: But it was a special moment to be out there 106 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 3: witnessing the atmosphere. 107 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: At the SCG. 108 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: We talked about Shane Warnson and you said you were 109 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: in the country, what were you doing and did you 110 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: keep an eye on it? It was the type of 111 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: I suppose moment that that I suppose Will Cricket would 112 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: have stood and watched in applauded. 113 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and it was always going to be 114 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 3: the case at the MCG that he was going to 115 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: get that historic number. Well, I was injured, so I 116 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: was preparing to get fit and I played in the 117 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: one day series after the sixty seven but. 118 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: One. 119 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: He used to write his own scripts and to deliver 120 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 3: it on that given day at the MCG in front 121 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 3: of near on one hundred thousand people. Great sports people, 122 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: as I said, they write their own scripts and they 123 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: deliver when the fans expect, when the media expects, and 124 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 3: when the individual expects. And that's exactly what Warned did 125 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: on that occasion. 126 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: Ben Stokes, she touched on him. And this is more 127 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: broadly for this series as well. But they're twenty nineteen. 128 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: If in the game the effort at Lord's were they 129 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: didn't quite get over the line in twenty twenty three, 130 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: but it was still one of he needs from him 131 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: in the tists that they were beaten in there, that 132 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: moment in twenty nine. But also what does he mean 133 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: for English cricket and what does he mean for this 134 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: sir summary head? 135 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: He is everything for the Sengland team. You know, I've 136 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: said it regularly over the last year or so with 137 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: Ben Stokes to compete absolutely anybody in any conditions. Without 138 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: Ben Stokes, and without Ben Stokes as the all rounder 139 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: who can't bowl, they can lose to anybody. You know, 140 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 3: is that important? Here is the real cog in the 141 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: wheel that needs to operate. First and foremost, he has 142 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: to get fit. He has to be ad a bowl, 143 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 3: he has to be ad a bat and he obviously 144 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 3: has to be able to move in the field. And 145 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 3: if he can and he can stay fit for five 146 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,559 Speaker 3: Test matches, he'll give Australia a run for the money. 147 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: He's just got that mentality, He's got that drive, he's 148 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: got that light in both them like Shane warn these 149 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: you know, these legendary players that have played the game. 150 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: He has that real will to win and he'll drive 151 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,559 Speaker 3: the team forward if he's bowling, isn't able to deliver 152 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: like he did against India. For the few Test matches 153 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: that evolved, he was England's best Seemer by a country mile. 154 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 3: If he can get fit to ball with five Test matches, 155 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: he will give Australia a real run for his money. 156 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: He's just got this amazing ability to crack open a game, 157 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: whether it's with the bat in hand, with the ball 158 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: in hand. Is it as calma batter that I've ever 159 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: seen under pressure when the real moments on, Ben Stokes 160 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: generally delivers with the bat and in recent times against 161 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: India with the ball. 162 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: He was the. 163 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: Person the player that he turned to to try and 164 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: crack open the game, and he did it on a 165 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: regular basis. 166 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: So it's very important that he stays fit. 167 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: I was speaking to one of your former teammates, Jorane Jones, recently, 168 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: and he said to him from a far looked like 169 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: he was the being sociogial version of an injury flintoff, 170 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: a guy who would just give him, give his all 171 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: and do all he could and then wondering in the 172 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: change him afterwards and slapping the chair. But he knew 173 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: that he just delivered and lift everything out there on 174 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: the on the field. Do you see that with Stoke? 175 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: Yes? 176 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can remember his captain, you know, Freddie captain 177 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: here in six seven wasn't easy against that legendary Australian side. 178 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: But Ben's been captain in the Test team now for 179 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: a while and he's a remarkable leader, a really good tactician. 180 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: We don't really mention how clever he is with his tactics, 181 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: but he's a real good tactician. 182 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: You know. 183 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's everything to this England team, but 184 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to try and take Australia on in 185 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: their own backyard without a Ben Stokes that can play 186 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: all the facets in the game. So England have to 187 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 3: manage him. But I guess it's not England who have 188 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: to manage it. He has to manage himself. He's going 189 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: to really look after that body. We've seen involved ten 190 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 3: over spells, twelve over spells in the series in New 191 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: Zealand in the summer against India and he couldn't finish 192 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: the series. So it's very, very important that he manages 193 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: that body because he can't evolve in the Mammas spells 194 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: in the heat of Australia. He's got to manage himself 195 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: because he's the only person that can manage him himself. 196 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: You you talked about what we discussed Joe Reid arriving 197 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: in the country overnight. I think one of the I 198 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: suppose one of the things that people are looking forward 199 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: to the most is watching Smith and going against each 200 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: other again. You know, two champion number fours. We've had 201 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: a couple of other great number fours in recent years 202 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: in Leedston and obviously Coley, but these two, what what 203 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: defines them as is great of I suppose of all time. 204 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: What's made them two of the most special betteries in 205 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: the world. 206 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: Well, they're just so consistent and they delivering all conditions. 207 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: That's why they're great players. They can play the pace, 208 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 3: they can play the spin, they can play at home, 209 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: they can play away. 210 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: I know Joe's not got one hundred here, but I'll. 211 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: Be staggered if he doesn't get one hundred and five 212 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: matches in Australia. He's playing with such a calmness, and 213 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: he had a little bit of a moment where he 214 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 3: played a little bit much like the bass ballers. He 215 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: had a little bit of a stumble, but it was 216 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: a massive stumb but he was still averaging plenty. But 217 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 3: I'm delighted to see him just playing the Joe Root 218 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: weigh and if he can just play his way and 219 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: he can be that glue of consistency at number four, 220 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: the likes of Ben duck At at the top, Zat Crawley, 221 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: Harry Brook at five, James Smith at seven, Ben Stokes 222 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: at six, they can just play their natural, aggressive way. 223 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 3: But I wouldn't want to see them try and play 224 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: that way if Joe roots out early, you know, I 225 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 3: think Joe's going to have to be the clue in 226 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: the kind. 227 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: Of rock for England, as is Steve Smith. 228 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 3: Steve Smith we've seen him in many Ashley series that 229 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 3: if he gets an early score he'll have a big, 230 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: big series. So it's very important that you can find 231 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: a method and a way to try and keep Steve 232 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: Smith quite. He's come to Australia, got one hundred for 233 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: New South Wales his first time of asking at the Gabba, 234 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: and from what I've seen, he looks like he's really 235 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: geared up to this ASHES series. He's clearly going to 236 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 3: captain at the start. His record as a captain is exceptional. 237 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: He hasn't lost yet when he's coming as an interim 238 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 3: for Pac Cummins and he'll want that record to carry on. 239 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: Similarly, sort of I suppose hid to hit battles and 240 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: in Gilchrist one he said he's looking forward to the 241 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: most is the foo keepers. He's a keeper, of course, 242 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: for he was a fantastic batsman. But Kerrie and Smith, 243 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: we haven't seen Smith down here. What does Smith bring 244 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: to the equation and what can all the audiences look for. 245 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: He's a fine player. 246 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: He's kind of taken to international cricket so easily with 247 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: some incredible innings. Is glove work is very efficient. You 248 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: don't generally notice him, which is a good sign for 249 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 3: a keeper. He doesn't make too many mistakes, or he 250 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: hasn't to date. With the bat in hand, he's very destructive. 251 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: He can be very dangerous. I mean in recent times 252 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 3: at the back end of the Indian series he looked 253 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 3: a bit jaded and tired and made a few mistakes 254 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: with the bat in hand. He's not quite got the 255 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: runs in New Zealand in the white ball game, and 256 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 3: he's been getting out quite cheaply. But all these England 257 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 3: players know that this is their moment and Jamie Smith 258 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: will be back for the next tour. 259 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: I have no doubt. 260 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: But for this team that have been developed now for 261 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: three or four years playing this way, inexpansive, flamboyant, great 262 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 3: to watch. They yet to win a five match series, 263 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 3: you know, in England won a five match series since 264 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. And they may have to change their method 265 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: and they may have to just go down in the 266 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: gears slightly in Australia, because I can't see how you 267 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: beat in Australian side by just playing one way which 268 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: is ultra aggressive all the time. So I have seen 269 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 3: him in recent times a team that have been able 270 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 3: to just do it slightly differently. 271 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: But they're going to have to be very very smart 272 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: over here in Australia. 273 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 3: I think they're going to attack Josh Hazel with that 274 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: new cooker or a ball on a regular basis. I 275 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: think there'll be three and four wickets down quite quickly 276 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: on a regular basis. So I'm really intrigued to see 277 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: whether they can go up and down in the gears. 278 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: If they can and they can be clever and smart 279 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: at the right times, I think they're going to give 280 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: Australia a run for the money. 281 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: There were some comments from mitchtak overnight he took five 282 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: wickets or four wickets for and you Saith wills against 283 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: Victoria in a shoe game featuring a lot of the 284 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: Australian players. Point was made to him, do we want 285 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: five day tests with the pictures of flat and cricket 286 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: Australia makes a lot of money? He says. His responsible was, 287 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: we want the pitches we've had the last couple of 288 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: years with I Supposeally Green Mamber a bit of venom 289 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: in them. Which way do you think they'll go? Which 290 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: way do you think cricket Australia will go? Given we 291 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: know that there's tender twenty thousand English fans, the Barmai 292 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: Army making the trick down, it's a long way to 293 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: come at a lot of a lot of bees to 294 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: be drunk, a lot of a lot of I suppose 295 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: merchandise to be sold. If you get five days at 296 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: each test. 297 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, I think what we've seen 298 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: in recent times in Australia pitchers have done plenty, so 299 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 3: it's not been easy for the batter is if you 300 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: get those kind of pitches, I guess you look at 301 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: Australia's experience with the ball in hand there that could 302 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 3: be the difference. But I'm always intrigued with the modern player, 303 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: because they all speaking somebody that they want five day 304 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 3: Test match cricket, but they want three day four day wickets. 305 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: So you know they've got. 306 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: To decide if you want a five day match where 307 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to plan pitches that are a little 308 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: bit better and a little bit harder for balling. If 309 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 3: you want the pitchers to offer plenty for the ballers 310 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: and for the ball to do all sorts, well, we 311 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: don't need five days because it's not going to last 312 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: five days. It's going to cost the game too much money. 313 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: So I just want a fair balance. You want to 314 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 3: balance where it offers a little bit for the seamers 315 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: and then it becomes a good pitch for batting and 316 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: then spin might come into the equation. You know, you 317 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 3: got the one facet from both sides which stands out 318 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 3: a mild to me is that Australia have a world 319 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: class spinner. I'm going to have a very young spinner 320 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: and Showy bush Year is just starting out. But there's 321 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: some glaring stats you know that you look at across 322 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: the two teams and you know we're going to have 323 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 3: got one player in Australian conditions with one hundred and 324 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: that's Ben Stokes and that was eight years ago Australia. 325 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: Whoever they played with that Perth will have around fifty 326 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: odd hundreds. Steve Smith alone has twenty six hundred here 327 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: in Australia. So you've got fifty hundreds or around that 328 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: number against one. And then the attack of Australian methan 329 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: lion plays in Australia and I guess he will do 330 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: in Perth. He's got two hundred and sixty eight wickets 331 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: alone here in Australia, and then Tat will have around 332 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: seven hundred wickets in Australian conditions. And in England played 333 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: Mark Wood, Ben Stokes and Joe Root, which I'm pretty 334 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: sure they will. 335 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: They're all fit. 336 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: They're the only three bowlders in the England team that 337 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: I've got wickets Here in Australia they've got forty three. 338 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: So you've got fifty odd hundreds versus one, and you've 339 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: got over seven hundred wickets versus forty three, of which 340 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: seven have come from the offspin of Joe Route. There 341 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 3: is a huge gulf in experience in these conditions. England 342 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: will hope that best went fresh. They'll hope that this 343 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: energized team can surprise Australia and in a few weeks 344 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 3: time we'll be saying, you know, when you come to Australia, 345 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 3: you actually don't need that much experience. I have a 346 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: little bit of a worry that all that experience of 347 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: Australia might be just too powerful for this England side. 348 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: I saw something pretty fascinating. Well, I thought it was 349 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: really interesting. That's part of us. One of the one 350 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: of the programs you do back in the UK, I 351 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: think it was BBC where you have audience Engagement and 352 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: you were talking about this series coming up, and one 353 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: of the questions was with an Australian fan in the 354 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: stands and it was about Basball and why else he's 355 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: get so wound up by bas Ball? Why is it? 356 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: Do you think that it sort of rills us? What 357 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: do you think it or do you think it riles us? 358 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: And that sort of I suppose coverage of it, the 359 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: discussion of it, the bar chat about it. How have 360 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: you viewed that debate? Does it give you a laugh? 361 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: Do you take some amusement in Australia seeing me bagged 362 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: by it? 363 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 364 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 3: I mean that was on Stick to Cricket, Yes, on 365 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: the new podcast YouTube show that we're doing in the UK, 366 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: which is actually coming to Australia, which will be on 367 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 3: Fox and Co, which will be great fun. I don't 368 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: know if it winds Australia or but I think Australia, 369 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: like most cricket fans around the world, kind of look 370 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: at who's winning. You know, who's lifting the Wild Test 371 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: Chamionship Final. What's South Africa it last year because they'd 372 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 3: beat Australia in the final the previous one Australia won it. 373 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: You know, in the previous Ashes it was too old 374 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 3: and in the series against Injury it was too all. 375 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 3: In the twenty nineteen series it was too old. And 376 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 3: the last time England were in Australia was Fourny. So 377 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 3: I think most cricket fans around the world they actually 378 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,239 Speaker 3: like watching England play because they play expansively, but they 379 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 3: yet to win a big series and that's the big 380 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 3: stepping stone now for Ben Stokes and Bas McCullum. 381 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: They have to win. 382 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 3: They have to have that earning their hands on January 383 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 3: the eighth, and the way to do that is you 384 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: can't just basball your way to winning an ASHES series. 385 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: In Australia and that's why I say they're going to 386 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: have to be smart. They're going to have to go 387 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: up and down in the gears. I do believe they've 388 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: got the skill sets and the mindset to do that. 389 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 3: It's just whether when the pressure gets really hot, and 390 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 3: it will that first few days in Perth it is 391 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 3: going to be crucial. You know, you've got an Australian 392 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 3: side that looks to me if you go back twelve 393 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: months ago when they played Indian Perth, they weren't quite prepared. 394 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: They were a little bit undercout going into that first Test. 395 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: They got beat. Andrew McDonald and his staff they look 396 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 3: to me from the outside that they're saying now, that's 397 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 3: not going to happen again. I know pack Cummins isn't 398 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 3: going to play, but all the players are playing state cricket. 399 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 3: I know it's been Quijous missing out this week, but 400 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 3: he's played three rounds already. Every single Australia play will 401 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: be game ready by November the twenty first. They're going 402 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: to have been in New Zealand for a white ball series. 403 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 3: Not done great, no problem with having a few days off. 404 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 3: They've played a bit of golf that are arriving in Perth. 405 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 3: They're going to play a three day one game amongst 406 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 3: themselves that we all know is never as intense as 407 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 3: a proper first class fiction on a pitch that's not 408 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: going to bounce a great deal at Lylett Hill, and 409 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 3: then a few days later play at the per Stadium. 410 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: They have to play well because you know, they don't 411 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 3: play well and they look under cooked and they don't 412 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 3: look prepared properly for that first game. They're going to 413 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 3: get a huge amount of criticism. But what I admire 414 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 3: about this thing them so they're doing it their way. 415 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 3: They're doing it the way that they believe works for them, 416 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 3: and they'll be judged. They'll be judged at the end 417 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: of the series whether it's worked or not. And if 418 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: it's worked, great, they'll get a huge amount of credit. 419 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 3: If it goes the other way and it doesn't work, 420 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 3: and we've seen this movie before in Australia, and there'll 421 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: be a few people under a lot of pressure. 422 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: Now, as we do each summer with Fox Sports and 423 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: Fox Sports St Coram Dot You, we have looked at 424 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 1: all the great series last years. It was Australia versus India, 425 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: we went through the five great Tests. The one we've 426 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: opted for this year is the two thousand and five 427 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: Acus series, of which you were captain, and it was 428 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: a famous one and widely considered one of the greatest. 429 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 1: Now not necessarily one you want to talk about all 430 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: the time. I understand, Michael. It's probably when you've covered 431 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,239 Speaker 1: a lot through the years, might just hit you up 432 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: on a couple of key moments or a couple of 433 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: you sort of thoughts. Twenty years on a couple of 434 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: key moments. Gilly said that he knew England was coming. 435 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: He felt from a white ball series leading into that 436 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: ashes going back a few months before that they were coming. 437 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: But then you get to the first sess that Lords 438 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: Australia get through. But he said after that it wasn't 439 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: much of a chat and he thought, oh, this is 440 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: an England team that really desperately wants this actual serious. 441 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: Can you remember that sort of build up and at 442 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: the end of that first Test. 443 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the build up started in 444 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 3: two thousand and four when we won seven Test matches 445 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 3: at home, so we kind of got a mechanism of 446 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: knowing how to win. We got over the line on 447 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 3: a couple of tight occasions. We then went to South Africa. 448 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 3: We won in South Africa, which was a big, big 449 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 3: series win for us because we were just this developing side. 450 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 3: We had some good bowlders and that was the key, 451 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 3: you know, when youve got Freddie flint Off, Steve Harmers 452 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 3: and Matthew Hoggard, Simon Jones. You know, Ashley Garles was 453 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 3: doing the joffredge. You could see that we had an 454 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 3: attack that should be able to get twenty wickets, and 455 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: then he was just down to trying to free up 456 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: the mindset of the players with the bat in hand, 457 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 3: to try and try and play sensibly, get in but 458 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 3: then don't be scared of being risky against the delights of 459 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 3: Shane Warning Glenn McGraw. You know, we had to find 460 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 3: a way of scoring against them, you know, if you 461 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: just sat and just letting them bowl like we did 462 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: at Law. Actually we didn't play well enough at Laws. 463 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: Were a little bit frozen on the stage. I thought 464 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: we're bowl gray. I thought we were decent in the field, 465 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: but with the bat in hand we weren't quite what 466 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: we've been. So that was the area that we had 467 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 3: to get right for the second game. And when you've 468 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: got people like Kevin Peterson, they can really challenge any bowler. 469 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 3: And when you've got likes of Trustcothic and Strauss at 470 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 3: the top of the order that theyre just rock solid 471 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: human beings, you know, freeing them up to be risky 472 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: and if you want to play dangerous cricket, we could, 473 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 3: but it wasn't just dangerous all the time. 474 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: And I think. 475 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: The first day at Age Baston really one of that 476 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: actually serious because we lost the toss and we were 477 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: asked about but it's the way that we batted in 478 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 3: the intent that we batted with to get four hundred 479 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 3: and I think seventy nine overs, which I guess is 480 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 3: very similar to the basballers. 481 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: You know. 482 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: From then on in we felt we had a way 483 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 3: of playing and a confidence within the group to potentially 484 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 3: put this Australian side under a huge amount of pressure, 485 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: that we had the element to fortune. 486 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: Glen ma Gar trips on a board. 487 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: The decision at the toss, one of two decisions went 488 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: our way, particularly at trent Bridge. I thought that has 489 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: got a couple of elvies that were shocking, but we'll 490 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 3: take it. And then we had Flint hop that just 491 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 3: found his mojo. You know, people are saying that this 492 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: series is it's got a similar kind of look to 493 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: what that was back then with this team and the 494 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 3: way that they've played. And the one thing is we 495 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: just have players that found form, you know, and that's 496 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 3: what eOne have to do here. 497 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: They'll have to have all their players finding formed. 498 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: They'll have to have their their senior pros being consistent 499 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 3: and two or three players can't win you an ASHES series. 500 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: And if you look at five, every single player from 501 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 3: one to element and even Paul Collinwood that came in 502 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: for the last Test match, he played a crucial innings 503 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 3: on that last day and everyone at certain times contributed 504 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: and to win against good teams, that's what has to happen, 505 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: and that's what will have to happen here in Australia. 506 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 3: Every single player at certain times a critical moment. So 507 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 3: we'll have to play that part. 508 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: It was said to me, Old Trafford, you look across 509 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: and see the showing celebrating and draw heap pointing had 510 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: battered magnificently to hold on and you know a couple 511 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: of thrilling I suppose conclusions in that match you got 512 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: the better Bermingham with the Kaspa which dismissal the Aussies 513 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: hold on for that draw for one of all, when 514 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: you saw them celebrating, do you think this is an 515 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: unusual thing that we're right in this? And I guess 516 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: the the other one was And Brittlee talked about this, 517 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: the Gary Pratt moment where he executes a brilliant run out. 518 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: Have you spoken to Ricky since it was he was 519 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: it something that he still wants to talk about now 520 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: or won't talk about now? 521 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean Old Traffic. 522 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: We played great, that was the best performance we gave, 523 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 3: but we didn't win because of an incredible innings by 524 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: Ricky Pinson. But I don't know, when you're the leader 525 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 3: and a captain, you do things just instinctive lout I 526 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 3: always say to young captains or people that cap and 527 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: then just react, you know, whatever the situation just could 528 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: to have that mechanism to react. And you know, I've 529 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 3: never seen Australia celebrate and drawing my life. 530 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: You know, they don't draw many full stop. 531 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 3: But to see them bouncing on the back of each 532 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 3: other at Old Traff and it just showed to me 533 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: that we've got them into a position that. You know, 534 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 3: I'm not not sure they were scared of us, but 535 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 3: I knew that they that they respected us and celebrating 536 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: and draw. I think it's the ultimate respect in a 537 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: way that great Australian side. So I just wanted to 538 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: play to know at the end of the game that 539 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: giving it everything. Look at that that they're celebrating and 540 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: on the back of Garrett actually the moment where he 541 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 3: round Ricky out probably for the only time in that series. 542 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: We were in our right to have Gary out there 543 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 3: because Simon Jones was in hospital it'd bolded over or 544 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 3: too in the second innings. 545 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: And nebul player. 546 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 3: Yeah he was great, Simon, yeah, and you know he 547 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: never played for England again, so he was off the 548 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: field getting scanned in hospitals. 549 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: So we were allowed at twelveth man at the. 550 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 3: Stage on that particularly occasion where by the way, it 551 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: was a shocking run. No one talks about the call 552 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 3: from Damian Martin, but the skill of Gary Pratton they 553 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 3: delivered the runout. Just again, we've mentioned special Ashes moments 554 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: and I guess in the history that's always a moment 555 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 3: that people talk about, you know, fielding, I'll keep. 556 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: Saying about winning here in Australia. 557 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: In recent times England have struggled and they've dropped a 558 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 3: lot of catches, you know, and England are going to 559 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 3: have to catch well on that cordon whoever they end 560 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 3: up having in the cord, and Joe Root will be 561 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 3: at first slip. Zach Crawley are being in around there, 562 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 3: Ben Ducketts in and around there. But generally Australia don't 563 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 3: drop the ball and in recent times England have dropped 564 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 3: a number of chances here in Australia. 565 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: And fielding is going to be a big, big part 566 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: in the series. 567 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: I know we've got in the midst of a mecha's shooting. 568 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: Really grateful for your time, Michael. Will you keep an 569 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: eye on the Shield Mets this week or Lilac Hill? 570 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: Which one will have more interest for you? 571 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: Well, that the. 572 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: Shield games will finish the day that the Lilac Hill 573 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 3: game starts. 574 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: A lot of killers. 575 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: I don't have a great deal of interest in it, 576 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 3: to be honest, because I've seen those games before. I've 577 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 3: been in teams and squads where you're playing amongst yourselves 578 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 3: and the intensity that they might say, so it's never there. 579 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 3: England are running the risk of arriving in per for 580 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: that first game. You know, bearing in mind Pack Cummings 581 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 3: isn't there. It's a hugely risk, risky tactic that they've 582 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 3: gone for with. You know, Zach Crawley's not played cricket 583 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 3: I think since August the twenty third, that was one 584 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: hundred ball game. Mark Wood hasn't played cricket for a 585 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 3: long while because of his injury. You know, Ben Duckett's 586 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 3: just derived from his wedding. He played a few innings 587 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 3: in New Zealand. Olive Poach's not played any cricket for 588 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 3: a number of months. Joff for Archis hadn't played any cricket. 589 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 3: They're running the risk that some of their players potentially 590 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: could have could have done with a bit more of 591 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: an out in those players that have played all the formats. 592 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 3: I can completely understand because you're not always guaranteed to 593 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 3: get the quality of opposition. 594 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: But well, I think they're running a risk. 595 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 3: Could that Crawley have arrived early and played a couple 596 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 3: of great games just to get used to Australian conditions. 597 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: Could Olipope have done the same, you know, just a 598 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: three day game amongst your your pals, really you know 599 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 3: your pals are your play against week in week out 600 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: on a pitch that's not going to bound. Is that 601 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: that good enough preparation. We'll find out. We'll find out. 602 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 3: But as I said that they're running the risk and 603 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 3: what I do enjoy in management and in leadership, teams 604 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: have just gone out this is the way we go 605 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: about a business. But ultimately by doing it that way 606 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 3: they run the risk for a huge amount of criticism 607 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 3: if it doesn't go. 608 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: Right, and that's what the England side have done. 609 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: Well. Thanks so much Michael for your insights to the 610 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: follow one. Really looking forward to chatting through the summer 611 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: should be a great one. Good luck with the mechas 612 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: today done it too much? 613 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, just mate. Thank you