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Speaker 1: This is the City and with her with Kate Richie Podcast.

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Speaker 2: But my god, it's been a little bit juicy on

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Speaker 2: merrit at first sight, and things have really hated up

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Speaker 2: with one girl in particular. Her name is Sarah. She

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Speaker 2: joined us in the studio. Thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Thank you guys for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, where do we start?

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Speaker 4: Are you a bit nervously?

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Speaker 1: I am a brave girl. Aren't I coming in here today?

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Speaker 2: You are? But you know what, you seem quite calm,

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Speaker 2: and you seem quite relaxed.

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Speaker 1: Oh I just had another interview, so I know what's

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Speaker 1: coming from.

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Speaker 2: Well, then let's get it out of the way. Have

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Speaker 2: you ever cheated on a partner?

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Speaker 4: Are you calling me out?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever cheated on a partner?

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Speaker 2: Throw me off?

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Speaker 4: What you did?

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Speaker 2: You said?

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Speaker 1: It's questioning my moral is chin on me?

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Speaker 4: It's on the.

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Speaker 1: Weekenday, okay, guys? Can I just say you guys are

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Speaker 1: questioning my morals and my past.

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Speaker 5: But how many of you are this table.

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Speaker 2: Up cheating on a partner? Man?

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Speaker 4: Kate, Kate put your hands in directing it at you.

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Speaker 3: I'm baffled because even before you walked into the studio,

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Speaker 3: just trying to put together all of the pieces of

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Speaker 3: the puzzle. I mean not only the dinner parties, but

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Speaker 3: the meeting up with the X before the experiment and

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Speaker 3: then catching up and then did you catch up? And

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Speaker 3: then you were just babysitting puppies, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot going on. I saw a lot

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Speaker 1: of context that's also missing.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was wondering, are we seeing things as

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Speaker 3: they happen?

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Speaker 1: So look, when I walked into that dinner party, I

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Speaker 1: was getting it left, right and center. Like there were

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Speaker 1: like questions were coming from all directions, and at that

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Speaker 1: point I could barely get a word in. And it

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Speaker 1: looks like everyone's quiet and I'm just saying my piece.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't that. Like everyone's MIC's were turned off

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Speaker 1: clearly at that on that episode, and it just looked

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Speaker 1: like I was calmly saying or not calmly, but like

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Speaker 1: saying my piece. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I could not get a word. And so at that

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Speaker 1: point when everyone was asking me questions, I was like, yep, yep, yep, yep,

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Speaker 1: just kind of agreeing to a lot of things. When

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Speaker 1: I walked in, Tim had told someone something that I

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Speaker 1: had told him in private, which was that I had

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Speaker 1: slept with an X before the experiment. Funny thing is

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Speaker 1: that it's not the same ex in question. However, I

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Speaker 1: didn't go into detail about it because I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to confuse everybody with already all the stuff that was

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Speaker 1: called two xes. Yes, there is two exits.

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Speaker 2: You hooked up with twoxes.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no one I hooked it with.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So the ex that you caught up with before

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Speaker 3: the experiment is not the question you went to meet

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Speaker 4: Okay, But see the thing? Okay, So I think the

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Speaker 4: problem that everyone has though sare, is that you refuse,

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Speaker 4: you refuse to apologize. And the moral question is, and

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Speaker 4: I would like to ask you now, and we've been

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Speaker 4: talking about this before you actually got into the studio today,

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Speaker 4: is it cheating when we know you didn't do anything

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Speaker 4: with your ex. You went and met him with some

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Speaker 4: friends that night, and you didn't do any thing. That's fine.

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Speaker 4: But because you didn't tell Tim and you did it secretly,

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Speaker 4: is that regarded as cheating micro cheating?

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Speaker 1: Well, I would say it's definitely an emotional cheat. I

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Speaker 1: definitely take on board that what I did was wrong,

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Speaker 1: and I think one of my major regrets was not

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Speaker 1: I think in that moment, my heart came out of

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Speaker 1: my ass a little and I was like, holy crap.

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Speaker 1: Like I was like, I'm on national television. Everyone's going

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Speaker 1: to think I'm a cheater, and I didn't cheat. So

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Speaker 1: I think I went into defense mode, which obviously wasn't

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Speaker 1: the best thing to do. I obviously should have just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so just clarify this for me. There's the guy

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Speaker 2: who had the girlfriend of six years. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 2: did you hook up with him?

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Speaker 1: So for the after me and him broke up, for

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Speaker 1: the first four years, we hooked up while he was

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Speaker 2: His girlfriend broke up, do you know the girlfriend?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't know her personally, know, see,

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Speaker 1: but then it was a lot of damage done.

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Speaker 4: See the way that I look at I look at

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Speaker 4: you on the show. Let's I want to be honest,

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Speaker 4: you you never you never had eyes for Tim, and

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Speaker 4: you knew from the start. You knew from the start

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Speaker 4: that you weren't attracted to him and it wasn't going

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Speaker 4: to work. And there was a moment at the start

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Speaker 4: you were too hungover, and you you missed out on

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Speaker 4: three dates. Then they gave you a RAS, the judges

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Speaker 4: of the experts, and they said, look, you've got to

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Speaker 4: get into this. And you know what, then you started

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Speaker 4: making an effort with Tim, but you never you were

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Speaker 4: never really into Tim, and then this whole thing blew up.

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Speaker 4: Do you wish he got out a little bit earlier, sir?

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Speaker 1: I don't, purely because I did have glimmers of hope.

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Speaker 1: Tim and I did have good moments. And well, while

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Speaker 1: you're you're very right in the sense of saying that

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Speaker 1: I probably wasn't into him as much as he was

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Speaker 1: into me, I did want to give the experiment a chance,

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Speaker 1: and I did want to hold on to hope and

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Speaker 1: those little glimmers of like special moments that we did have,

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Speaker 1: as you can see, every time I was on the couch,

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Speaker 1: whenever they would say we would do that week and

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Speaker 1: we would get better.

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Speaker 2: What was the most beautiful moment you had with Tim?

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Speaker 2: About those glimmers?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we got into some really deep emotional

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Speaker 1: conversations once once we actually started spending time together, and I,

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Speaker 1: as you could probably see last night in the episode,

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Speaker 1: I say to him, like, you're really emotionally intelligent, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we could both kind of see where we

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Speaker 1: were faulting in this relationship.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: He definitely realized that he could step up and be

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Speaker 2: It's an opportunity missed. I mean, Tim looks like a

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Speaker 2: great kissers, a good kisser.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great kiss and I just.

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Speaker 2: Feel like when I saw moments of Sparks.

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Speaker 1: Well someone's a great kiss Tim and I had great

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Speaker 1: sexual chemistry. I think that was a major explosive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like we had we had really good sexual chemistry. So

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Speaker 1: that was a lot of what was keeping us together

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Speaker 1: at that point in time when things weren't necessarily showing

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Speaker 1: on screen that we were getting along, but it did build.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's the whole point of the

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Speaker 1: experiment is to kind of you you're meeting a complete stranger,

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Speaker 1: and some people were luckier than others to meet someone

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Speaker 1: that they just got along with.

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Speaker 2: Your emotional when you see photos of him with the

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Speaker 2: new Brazilian girlfriend?

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Speaker 1: What Brazilian girlfriend?

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Speaker 2: That one?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Those when those were taken with miss Brazil?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean what do you know about that?

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Speaker 1: I know nothing?

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Speaker 4: So are you Are you currently in a relationship at

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Speaker 4: the moment, Sarah?

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Speaker 1: I can't say you're just gonna have.

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Speaker 4: Can I have you been having correspondence with your ex?

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Speaker 4: After all this has happened on Meredith first, So I

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Speaker 1: I will say that the episode caused a bit of

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Speaker 1: It's not great and I feel terrible that I've involved

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Speaker 1: other people in my drama. It wasn't fair. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: look after the whole thing happened with my ex, I

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Speaker 1: and messaged me about it.

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Speaker 4: Did you did you date Olie from last season's last

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Speaker 5: No, because that's what everyone's sing about Tany that his

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Speaker 5: wife on the show, who he was with for quite

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Speaker 5: a while, has outed you saying that's you're saying not

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Speaker 5: nice things about Tim, But you actually went out with Olie?

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Speaker 4: Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: No? I didn't go out with Oli.

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Speaker 2: He did. Look, did you hook up with Olie? No?

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Speaker 1: I did not hook up for I've never met the guy.

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Speaker 2: I've never actually met him standing in a photo with him.

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Speaker 2: What that's so you didn't look up with him?

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Speaker 1: No? No. He did a podcast on like advice for

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Speaker 1: current Maths contestants and I was really struggling at the

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Speaker 1: honeymoon with Tim and I was like, look, like, what

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Speaker 1: do I do? Like do I stick it out? Like

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Speaker 1: it's too early? And he was like, you know what, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he gave me some really good advice. I did say

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Speaker 1: some of the issues that I was having with Tim,

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Speaker 1: and maybe that's what Tony meant about not so nice things.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was a point in time where Tim

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Speaker 1: just very like needy. It's just a lot for me

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Speaker 2: And maybe that's what the getting around is that you

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Speaker 1: Jayden, who's en hair Eden's partner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now you're just running through a list of rooms.

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Speaker 3: Can I just ask you, are you enjoying all of this?

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Speaker 3: Because even now that we're sitting in the studio and

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Speaker 3: there's my questions being fired at your left front and center.

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Speaker 3: This part of me, part of me that feels for you.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's it's been really hard. I think what they're

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Speaker 1: showing is so one dimensional, and no one is one dimensional. Like,

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Speaker 1: of course I made mistakes and I own that, and

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Speaker 1: I watching it back felt absolutely terrible. But I do

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Speaker 1: have good sides to me, and it's a shame that

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Speaker 1: those aren't shown because I'm not just a horrible person.

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Speaker 2: I've been I mean a lot of it, yes, or

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Speaker 2: where we are all like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but Sarah, you must have known, and this is

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Speaker 4: what I ask every contestant who goes I'm married at

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Speaker 4: first sight. You must have known that they're not going

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Speaker 4: to look after your babolutely no.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought that that would be the case.

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Speaker 1: I'm a very outspoken person. I always kind of had

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Speaker 1: that idea that I was going to be a villain,

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Speaker 1: and I was. I was prepared for it. Thought I

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Speaker 4: So when you when you were texting Eden a friend

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Speaker 4: female friend on the show, and you were saying, I'm

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Speaker 4: catching up with the X can I borrow a shirt emoji?

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Speaker 4: This kind of stuff. You must have known in your

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Speaker 4: mind that this is going to get back somehow and

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Speaker 4: this is going to blow up.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think my problem is I trust too easily.

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Speaker 1: That's always been my issue. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: a strength or a weakness, but I definitely felt like

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Speaker 1: I could trust Eden, and as a girlfriend, I was

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Speaker 1: just like, oh, my ex is going to be there,

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Speaker 1: top calque. Sorry, but if you don't want to look

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Speaker 1: cute for your ex and you're lying, you're.

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Speaker 4: Doing everything every time you I can't see you lasting

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Speaker 4: much longer.

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Speaker 2: It's over. It's over. It's definitely over.

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Speaker 4: But but we haven't had a partner shop on maths yet.

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Speaker 4: So Sarah, unless you hook up with another husband and

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Speaker 4: I swap with.

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Speaker 1: No one, I got the best out of the bar. No,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: See you and Tim getting it on Tim Timothy.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love Timothy. I actually would have gotten along

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Speaker 1: with him quite well.

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Speaker 2: Could you look, we spoke about our mass dinner party

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Speaker 2: at the start of this chat. We would love you

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Speaker 2: to come along. Would you like to come along time

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Speaker 2: married at first sight dinner party that we hosted.

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Speaker 1: Course, I would love that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Bring your ex and Tim many.

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Speaker 1: Tickets, perfect covering all of them.

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