Speaker 1: Oh, Tiffany and Cook, David, Brian Kevin, Patrick Gillespie, Craig
Speaker 1: Anthew Harper. It's the project, that's you, it's us. What
Speaker 1: have you been up to today? Cook? Have you been
Speaker 1: talking to people? Have you been therapizing yourself or anyone else?
Speaker 1: Have you been punching shit?
Speaker 2: I have been.
Speaker 3: I've trained a couple of clients, made them punch them shit.
Speaker 3: I have had a bit of a chat to people.
Speaker 3: I've had a bit of therapy myself. That's always a joy.
Speaker 3: I've lifted heavy things and here I am. And I
Speaker 3: even had a nap today.
Speaker 1: What a great little nana nap. How's doctor Bill going?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you making any progress? Are you still
Speaker 1: like whereabouts on the operational functional scale? Are you like
Speaker 1: your ten being like no issues, one being all the issues?
Speaker 1: What number are you probably?
Speaker 3: I've rocket it up to a good three and a
Speaker 3: three point five? I reckon, So I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: You're approaching, You're you're driving into Normalsville. You're just sitting
Speaker 1: on the almost normal highway, just cruising into town.
Speaker 3: Close.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it's good things psychologies or bullshit, isn't it David?
Speaker 2: It is, yes, it is a good thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, expensive bullshit but now nonetheless bullshit.
Speaker 1: Spoken authorized by David Gillespie. Now you wrote something, well, firstly,
Speaker 1: how are you before I talk about the funny thing?
Speaker 1: Any news on planet you anything you need to tell
Speaker 1: any like, any breaking news on planet.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: There's no sound effects coming forward.
Speaker 2: Sound effects.
Speaker 1: We're saving up for a new bit of what do
Speaker 1: you call this stuff? Foam on the edge of my filter? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're saving up for one of those. I think Melissa
Speaker 1: has to sell a kidney, but I'll get one anytime, anytime.
Speaker 1: So you wrote a funny article which I started reading
Speaker 1: and I did. I wasn't really expecting for it to
Speaker 1: be a tongue in cheek kind of affair with you
Speaker 1: talking about the the impending inclusion of ozen pic or
Speaker 1: the like in the drinking water. Was it meant to
Speaker 1: be Australia or America that?
Speaker 4: But but the piece was, Yeah, the piece was was America.
Speaker 4: But I was, I guess kind of trying to make
Speaker 4: a point about mass medication. Is you read that piece
Speaker 4: and you see the way the politicians sell it. You know,
Speaker 4: we put a zen pick into the drinking spy will
Speaker 4: solve the obesity crisis. We'll solve the affordability crisis because.
Speaker 2: You won't be able to afford to buy EU. You
Speaker 2: won't buy.
Speaker 4: As much food, so it will cost you less. And
Speaker 4: we'll even you know, solve the airline seat crisis. You know,
Speaker 4: you'll everyone will be able to fit into their airline seats.
Speaker 4: Everyone basically flying first clas So all good all around.
Speaker 4: What's the downside? You have to buy a bit of
Speaker 4: a zimpic and put it into the drinking supply, and
Speaker 4: I guess lose the will to live because it does
Speaker 4: have an an hedonic effect on people. But the point
Speaker 4: I guess I was trying to make is often that's
Speaker 4: how mass medication appeals. You could make exactly the same
Speaker 4: arguments for fluoridation. There's a hard way to fix the
Speaker 4: fact that we're wrecking everybody's teeth, which is we have
Speaker 4: to stop them consuming vast amounts of sugar. The only
Speaker 4: thing that destroys teeth is sugar. We know that that's
Speaker 4: not controversial science, And instead of doing something about that,
Speaker 4: our solution is to put a chemical in the water
Speaker 4: supply that does a little bit about it but doesn't
Speaker 4: fix the problem. And may have its own problems itself.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of what I was getting at with
Speaker 4: this article. And this isn't the first time that really
Speaker 4: odd things have been seriously suggested as being added to
Speaker 4: the water supply. There was a serious attempt to add
Speaker 4: statins into the water supply in Japan, the thinking being yeah,
Speaker 4: the thinking being, well, you know, let's prevent everybody's heart attack,
Speaker 4: you know, put.
Speaker 2: It into the water supply.
Speaker 4: And this is the way the thinking goes, is what's
Speaker 4: the harm? And we've talked about a few things where
Speaker 4: there've been mass medication.
Speaker 2: For very very good reasons, you know, you know.
Speaker 4: Such as preventing birth defects and so on, but without
Speaker 4: any real regard to the potential side effects of it,
Speaker 4: and without any real regard to is this really a
Speaker 4: good idea to give this to everybody in the population.
Speaker 2: And because we're in.
Speaker 4: A situation where that is the mindset for our public
Speaker 4: health people, which is the first thing they reach for,
Speaker 4: is the equivalent of fluoridation of the water supply. Me
Speaker 4: writing a piece something putting a zepic in the water
Speaker 4: supply to some people will sound like a suggestion.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Well, when I was reading that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so ludicrous and ridiculous. It actually confused me because
Speaker 1: I never expected you and maybe you've done it. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've done it before, but I hadn't read it.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I never expected you to write satire. I
Speaker 1: never expected and I'm reading it and I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: really well written, and it's written as though it's real.
Speaker 1: So there was this kind of this inner conflict and
Speaker 1: I'm like, this cannot be possibly, like sure, like I
Speaker 1: knew it couldn't be real. And I'm like, surely Gillespo
Speaker 1: hasn't got this so wrong that he's actually writing this,
Speaker 1: because this is literally impossible that this would happen for
Speaker 1: a myriad of reasons. And then of course it's not.
Speaker 1: It's bullshit. It's tongue in cheek and you say essentially
Speaker 1: that at the end. But I'm amused that people actually
Speaker 1: well one that I saw anyway, a lady like she
Speaker 1: clearly didn't read it, and she's like, I hope this
Speaker 1: is not true, and I'm like, well, just keep reading.
Speaker 1: It's not true, but it's it is. It is indicative
Speaker 1: or it is kind of insightful of you know what,
Speaker 1: what can happen. I think RFK is anti fluoride, isn't
Speaker 1: he like? I think he's a big hat.
Speaker 2: I think that's yeah. I think that's one of the things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got a whole bloody shopping list
Speaker 1: of things he wants to get rid of.
Speaker 4: Hell, that's starting with the podole, of course, which apparently
Speaker 4: causes autism. No, it does turn you into a psychopath,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't cause autism.
Speaker 1: That is funny. That is I was about to say
Speaker 1: it doesn't it make you a doesn't what is it? Paracetamol?
Speaker 1: Doesn't it make you a temporary sociopath for a few
Speaker 1: hours or more? Lightheled down the sociopath scale. Yeah, tell
Speaker 1: me the mechanism. Tell me the mechanism again, I forget
Speaker 1: you explained to us.
Speaker 2: So it's.
Speaker 4: We've known for a long time that obviously it's a painkiller,
Speaker 4: but we don't. No one's ever really been certain about
Speaker 4: the mechanism for that, just they know that it works.
Speaker 4: And so there have been some studies done, you know,
Speaker 4: those sort of university psychology studies where they try all
Speaker 4: sorts of things, you know, just to keep themselves entertained.
Speaker 4: And one of the ones they did was one where
Speaker 4: they tested people's levels of empathy both when they were
Speaker 4: on paracetamol and when they weren't, and much to everyone's surprise,
Speaker 4: there were significant and measurable differences. Now, there is a
Speaker 4: biochemical reason for it, in that it impairs a certain
Speaker 4: circuit in the brain where essentially empathy lives in humans
Speaker 4: and in psychopaths, those neurons, which are called one economone neurons,
Speaker 4: very very less active, they have a lower density, and
Speaker 4: so they have no empathy. But what happens when you
Speaker 4: take paracetamol is that those the function of those neurons
Speaker 4: get suppressed by the paracetamol and essentially you turn yourself
Speaker 4: into a psychopath for the four or so hours that
Speaker 4: the thing works.
Speaker 1: It's bloody hilarious. It's like that. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to not feel like if you had to go
Speaker 1: into a situation where empathy was going to be a
Speaker 1: limitation for you temporarily, like in terms of having to
Speaker 1: do something, and that was going to so.
Speaker 2: Being an executioner for example.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you had to chop someone's head off,
Speaker 1: take a couple of panadol, bibity bobbedy boot as long
Speaker 1: as you do it within that four hour window, you good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll certainly help. There actually have been some serious
Speaker 4: recommendations around people having to do things which require harming
Speaker 4: others and being given parasitmol for exactly a tempathy lowering effect. So,
Speaker 4: for example, surgeons and so on.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Tiff I was explained to her,
Speaker 1: I heard this story about in the First World War
Speaker 1: when they were sending this was an American podcast I
Speaker 1: was listening to, but allegedly they were sending all these
Speaker 1: young you know, farm boys and you know city boys.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what is at nineteen fourteen, the
Speaker 1: First World War pre television, pre movies essentially pre all
Speaker 1: that kind of that type of propaganda where all of
Speaker 1: these kids were just getting shipped off, here's a gun,
Speaker 1: here's seven minutes of training, go shoot that bloke in
Speaker 1: the head. And there were like allegedly thousands of them
Speaker 1: that didn't want to do it, like they didn't want
Speaker 1: to kill people. So they're shooting above their head or
Speaker 1: beside them. And one of the things that they did
Speaker 1: in an attempt to alleviate this lack of drive to
Speaker 1: kill people was they started creating all these kind of
Speaker 1: essentially these propaganda movies elevating the status of or promoting
Speaker 1: the alpha maleness and desirability of soldiers and war and
Speaker 1: all of this kind of stuff in an attempt to
Speaker 1: get these young guys more emotionally and psychologically prepared to
Speaker 1: go and kill the enemy. Like I never thought of that.
Speaker 4: Well, the other thing they did was the other thing
Speaker 4: they did was give them masses of cocaine.
Speaker 2: So so it was a real problem.
Speaker 4: Around twenty percent of the population are so empathetic that
Speaker 4: they would struggle to kill another human no matter what
Speaker 4: the circumstances, which is a bit of a problem in
Speaker 4: the military, and so it's always I mean in the
Speaker 4: US military to this day works very very hard against that,
Speaker 4: using combat simulation, video games and so on to try
Speaker 4: and lower people's empathy about killing others. But yeah, it
Speaker 4: was a big problem in World War One, and one
Speaker 4: of the things they did to combat it, and also
Speaker 4: to combat the other thing which was PTSD as a
Speaker 4: result of killing people or seeing people be killed around you,
Speaker 4: was to give them large amounts of cocaine. So cocaine
Speaker 4: was dispensed liberally to the troops. Most of them were
Speaker 4: a significant proportion of them became serious cocaine addicts, and
Speaker 4: when they came back to Australia, they brought that addiction
Speaker 4: with them. Luckily it wasn't legal then, I guess, and
Speaker 4: so you could just love off to your local pharmacy
Speaker 4: and pick up some cocaine over the counter and no
Speaker 4: trouble whatsoever. And so the addictive state actually spread pretty
Speaker 4: significant amongst Australian population, and at one stage during the
Speaker 4: nineteen twenties, Australia was the highest per capita cocaine consumer
Speaker 4: in the world as a direct result of it being
Speaker 4: freely available.
Speaker 2: Well not free, but you know, it wasn't against the law.
Speaker 4: You could readily available to see, yeah.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 4: Us introducing it en mass into the population through the
Speaker 4: troops that were coming back from the war.
Speaker 1: TIF can you find out when it became a legal
Speaker 1: cocaine use became illegal in Australia. I'd like to know that.
Speaker 4: That must have I can tell you a little bit
Speaker 4: about it. So in the nineteen thirties, the government was
Speaker 4: starting to get a bit worried about the fact that
Speaker 4: everyone was a cocaine addict and felt that it might
Speaker 4: be impairing productivity, and so they did bring in regulations
Speaker 4: requiring pharmacists to only issue cocaine with a script. Pharmacists
Speaker 4: initially just completely ignored that and the governments did nothing
Speaker 4: to enforce it. By the time we got through the
Speaker 4: Great Depression, he was starting to be enforced pretty regularly,
Speaker 4: and you pretty much needed a script to get cocaine.
Speaker 1: M wow, did you find anything tip like an absolute
Speaker 1: illegal by date? You can get back to it.
Speaker 3: I have taught it to ramble on a lot before
Speaker 3: giving straight answer.
Speaker 1: There's a speak just we'll get onto another top.
Speaker 2: To give you a straight answer to you. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1: There's a show on and I don't promote a Netflix
Speaker 1: really ever, but there's a show on Netflix at the
Speaker 1: moment called In Waves and More. It might be in
Speaker 1: War and Waves the other way around, but it's basically
Speaker 1: about all these Tier one operators that come back from
Speaker 1: More completely fucked up. It's and all the trauma, and
Speaker 1: there's a new drug that they're using. I'm only like
Speaker 1: a third of the way through so it so far,
Speaker 1: it's fascinating, So I can't say the whole thing, but
Speaker 1: I mean enjoying it. But there's a drug called iber
Speaker 1: Game that they're using now have you heard of that?
Speaker 2: David? Oh? What is it? Is it a synthetic something?
Speaker 1: Rather, it's a h it's not an opioid, it's a
Speaker 1: what do they call it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: God, everyone, We just had a little melt down there.
Speaker 1: We were trying to come up with a word, and
Speaker 1: David Gillespie, who knows all the words, couldn't fucking come
Speaker 1: up with the words. So I blame him. Too late
Speaker 1: in the day. For me, it's too late and I'm
Speaker 1: sixty two, So fucking keep your expectations low. Diff who's
Speaker 1: literally got one job and that's just define words, couldn't
Speaker 1: fucking find it with her fat little fingers on her
Speaker 1: keyboard over there? Could She couldn't. She couldn't do the
Speaker 1: one thing she got to do, one thing in half
Speaker 1: an hour, find a word? All right? Enough about getting
Speaker 1: high and avoiding shooting people in war and drugs that
Speaker 1: make you psychopathic. So you wrote an article today about
Speaker 1: microplastics and the relationship with those on sperm count and fertility.
Speaker 1: Do tell, Do tell? What's happening there?
Speaker 4: Interesting study came out about a month ago. Two hundred
Speaker 4: men in China having microplastics measured. This is so microplastics
Speaker 4: are really just particles of PBC or polystyrene.
Speaker 2: Mostly it's where most of it.
Speaker 4: Measuring how much of it was present in their sperm,
Speaker 4: And the reason for that was that though first of
Speaker 4: all wanting to know whether there was any they found
Speaker 4: rather disturbingly that fifty six percent of them had significant
Speaker 4: abortion or measurable amounts of microplastics in their sperm. But
Speaker 4: more disturbingly, they found that that wasn't just interesting fact,
Speaker 4: it was that there was a direct association between the
Speaker 4: amount of microplastic in sperm and your fertility. So now
Speaker 4: we've talked about fertility a bit over the time, because
Speaker 4: we really do have a world wide problem with fertility.
Speaker 4: It's male fertility has been dropping at one percent a
Speaker 4: year since nineteen thirty eight, so I don't know how
Speaker 4: many years that.
Speaker 2: That's a lot. Eighty seven years, Yeah, so eighty seven
Speaker 2: percent drop.
Speaker 4: Except it's worse than that because since two thousand it's
Speaker 4: been two and a half percent drop per year, so
Speaker 4: it's accelerating.
Speaker 2: It's accelerating.
Speaker 4: So we're in a position now where, you know, finding
Speaker 4: a fertile mail is starting to get almost impossible, and
Speaker 4: these guys, you know, there's a lot of people running
Speaker 4: aroun waving their hands and saying I've got the answer.
Speaker 4: I understand why this is so, but very few people
Speaker 4: have been able to nail anything down. Definitive sort of
Speaker 4: people a sort of saying, oh, modern life, plastics, radiation,
Speaker 4: you name it. Everyone's got a reason. These guys were
Speaker 4: trying to nail down one of the excuses that's often given,
Speaker 4: which is well, that is given frequently the microplastics. And
Speaker 4: what they found is yes, there is indeed an association
Speaker 4: between micropa microplastics, and in particular, if you are in
Speaker 4: the habit of regularly, and these guys were using them
Speaker 4: every day, using plastic cut aalry, then you're likely to
Speaker 4: be most at risk. I guess it's got to do
Speaker 4: with it. It's in direct contact with your food. Bits
Speaker 4: of plastic, tiny microscopic bits of plastic are being broken
Speaker 4: off the surfaces of that food, of those utensils every day.
Speaker 4: So using plastic cut rorery had the biggest effect, but
Speaker 4: there was a big effect in general from heating food
Speaker 4: in plastics to so on. The reason I thought this
Speaker 4: was study was interesting was not so much because of
Speaker 4: the newsworthy worthiness of that, and there have been news
Speaker 4: stories over the last few days about this, don't use
Speaker 4: a plastic knife and fork, It'll make you infertile, which
Speaker 4: I guess is where you could go from this study.
Speaker 4: The more interesting thing is what they did after they
Speaker 4: found that, which is that they went to look at
Speaker 4: what was the mechanism, So why would microplastics affect your
Speaker 4: ability to conceive? And what they found is that what
Speaker 4: it was doing was triggering, triggering a sort of a
Speaker 4: panic button, if you like, in in sperm cells, which
Speaker 4: is something triggered by oxidative stress. So when when cells
Speaker 4: are under oxidative stress, they usually are triggered to die,
Speaker 4: particularly where they're important cells carrying DNA that are being
Speaker 4: used to create the next generation. Then you don't want
Speaker 4: that DMA being damaged by something and then going on
Speaker 4: to make you know, a baby that may not be
Speaker 4: getting the correct DNA set, and you can have all
Speaker 4: sorts of introgen generational disease being caused then, so lots
Speaker 4: of things that are often blamed on those sorts of things,
Speaker 4: you know, such as autism and down syndrome and so on.
Speaker 4: So the body protects itself by self destructing the sperm
Speaker 4: that it detects have error and usually pretty good at it,
Speaker 4: and the ones that misses are also protected by a
Speaker 4: secondary and similar scene in the female which results in
Speaker 4: a miscarriage. So that's all well and good, and that's
Speaker 4: how the microplastics are doing it, and none of that
Speaker 4: is a particular surprise, except that exactly the same pathway
Speaker 4: is triggered, and we have known has been triggered for
Speaker 4: a long time by smoking, for example, So smoking we
Speaker 4: know does the same thing, and we also know that
Speaker 4: the cure for that is to tell a man who's
Speaker 4: thinking about having a baby to stop smoking if he
Speaker 4: does three months beforehand, because it takes three months to
Speaker 4: clear out the sperm, if you like, have them refreshed
Speaker 4: with a brand new lot that aren't affected by whatever
Speaker 4: it is you've been doing, consuming microplastics or smoking. And
Speaker 4: the reason for that is that smoking introduces a whole
Speaker 4: lot of aldehydes into the system.
Speaker 2: And we've talked about aldehydes before that.
Speaker 4: Cause DNA disruption and destroy and damage the DNA in
Speaker 4: sperm cells in particular, which are not very well protected
Speaker 4: in the body because they make so many of them.
Speaker 4: So the body's going down the big pen route rather
Speaker 4: than the long block pen, which is it's better to
Speaker 4: have a thousand bad ones that you can throw out
Speaker 4: if they don't work, then have one really really good one.
Speaker 4: So so that's why that advice has always been given
Speaker 4: about smoking. At the start, when they were giving that advice,
Speaker 4: it was just from observing that ten men tended to
Speaker 4: have more luck getting women pregnant if they weren't smokers.
Speaker 4: And then later on the science caught up and we
Speaker 4: figured out the aldehyde triggering that autooxidation pathway, which is
Speaker 4: exactly the same thing that they're now picking up with
Speaker 4: the microplastics. So smoking microplastics very very bad if you
Speaker 4: want to have babies. The other one that's recently been
Speaker 4: picked up is alcohol. Of course, we've always known heavy
Speaker 4: drinking is bad for conception in males. Now we know
Speaker 4: why once again, big big producer of aldehydes which have
Speaker 4: that DNA destructive thing. Once again, cure is the same,
Speaker 4: stop drinking ninety days before you intend to and eve
Speaker 4: and everything should be fine. And then there's the really
Speaker 4: really big and nasty one that we've talked about before,
Speaker 4: but which is really really nasty because it's less easy
Speaker 4: to fix and that is seed oils, so the canola, sunflower, soybean,
Speaker 4: almond oil, pinut oil, all those sorts of things, the
Speaker 4: seed oils that are now entrenched in our food supply
Speaker 4: because they're cheap and theoretically healthy. That's what all the
Speaker 4: health authorities tell us. But so they've replaced all the
Speaker 4: animal fats and so on, and our foods fly. Everything's
Speaker 4: full of the stuff that produces a particularly nasty aldehyde
Speaker 4: called for HNE, and four HNE is just as destructive
Speaker 4: as the alcohol, the ones from alcohol and smoking and microplastics.
Speaker 2: The problem with.
Speaker 4: It is that, unlike those other three, we don't hang
Speaker 4: on to microplastics in our our bodies.
Speaker 2: We don't hang on too cigaret.
Speaker 4: We don't stash a few diurries away for later when
Speaker 4: we're having a cigarette.
Speaker 2: It's a one and done kind of thing. And the
Speaker 2: same goes for alcohol.
Speaker 4: We spend a considerable amount of time and energy getting
Speaker 4: the alcohol out of our system because it's a poison.
Speaker 2: So we don't hang onto that either.
Speaker 4: The fats, however, because they are pretty handy for building
Speaker 4: baby brains, get hung onto and we hang onto them
Speaker 4: for as long as we possibly can. Because in our
Speaker 4: natural environment, they're pretty rare. In fact, we hang onto
Speaker 4: them were on average about six hundred days, so we
Speaker 4: store them for about six hundred days, so two years.
Speaker 4: So the advice is the same if you want to conceive,
Speaker 4: you know, don't do this thing, except that they don't
Speaker 4: do this thing is eat anything containing seed oils, which
Speaker 4: is just about about anything, and don't do it for
Speaker 4: two years. And when you know that, is it any
Speaker 4: wonder that male fertility rate is plummeting. It's not just
Speaker 4: because we use it because we're smoking, drinking. Smoking and
Speaker 4: drinking have actually improved significantly, but we probably are using
Speaker 4: more micro more plastic stuff. But nothing that would explain
Speaker 4: two and a half percent a year. The thing that
Speaker 4: explains that is the massive increase in seed oils in
Speaker 4: our food.
Speaker 1: Supply, bloody hell. I wonder like one percent a year
Speaker 1: since nineteen thirty eight yep, thirty eight, you know, which
Speaker 1: was whatever, eighty seven percent and now it's gone up.
Speaker 1: The rate has increased. I mean, if there's no intervention
Speaker 1: or effective intervention, or there's no strategy or there's no
Speaker 1: I mean what we've spoken about this a little bit,
Speaker 1: or we haven't spoken about the thalatees or the plastics
Speaker 1: or the you know whatever. But but like, this is
Speaker 1: not something that's generally been discussed. It's something that affects everyone,
Speaker 1: men and women. Like this is a catastrophic health issue.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you think, well, I wonder in twenty and fifty,
Speaker 1: which ain't really that far away, you know, so twenty
Speaker 1: five years from now, at the current rate of progression,
Speaker 1: what's happening, Like, what's the population of Australia, what's the
Speaker 1: how many babies are being born here, what's the infertility rate,
Speaker 1: what's you know, I wonder what the real world reality
Speaker 1: will be.
Speaker 4: Then increasingly we'll be relying on what we would describe
Speaker 4: as third world countries where the seed oil conglomerates haven't
Speaker 4: bothered destroying the food supply. Because this seed oil issue
Speaker 4: is largely a Western problem, because it's it's in our
Speaker 4: takeaway food, it's in all of our fried food, and
Speaker 4: it's on it is much less of a problem in
Speaker 4: countries that aren't exposed to the standard American diet.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 4: The breeders, if you like that, the people who will
Speaker 4: still be able to conceive reasonably easily are going to
Speaker 4: be people who are not exposed to that diet in
Speaker 4: any significant quantity, and so you will increasingly see countries
Speaker 4: like Australia and the United States and the UK and
Speaker 4: Europe and someone relying on immigrants for children and less
Speaker 4: on their own population growth. And you can already see
Speaker 4: that in the population numbers. And there's lots of lovely
Speaker 4: narratives about why that is. Oh, we're richer, you know,
Speaker 4: women work more, et cetera, et cetera, and all those
Speaker 4: things are true, but there's also this underlying thing going on,
Speaker 4: which is biochemically, we're destroying our ability to reproduce, and
Speaker 4: no one seems to be doing much about it because
Speaker 4: everyone's running around looking for these far fetched explanations like
Speaker 4: whether not you use plastic knives and forks, which do
Speaker 4: explain a bit of it, but which are nowhere near
Speaker 4: the real problem.
Speaker 1: I wonder, is the impact on women the same, Like,
Speaker 1: is it a comparable impact physiological consequence for women and men?
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 4: So women are actually pretty well protected against this stuff.
Speaker 4: They have a fairly good redundant protection protection system. You
Speaker 4: want to remember, it's a different They are using the
Speaker 4: mont Blanc method. They get all the eggs they're going
Speaker 4: to get right from the start.
Speaker 1: If I hope you take I hope you're taking notes
Speaker 1: with yeah there.
Speaker 4: So they're going with the do it properly protected well method,
Speaker 4: whereas sperm's going with NA make three hundred million of them.
Speaker 2: What happens if we lose a few hundred million doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Only one's got work.
Speaker 1: So, Tiff, are you a little bit?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: That happens to the man, and this happens to the women.
Speaker 1: Are you a little bit? What about me?
Speaker 3: Though? I haven't be on what what about the hybrids?
Speaker 1: What about Tiff and her hybrid friends who have got
Speaker 1: one foot in each camp?
Speaker 2: I can't comment on the biology of tift friend.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, so I mean, yeah, wow. So I guess
Speaker 1: the or part of the solution is just education and
Speaker 1: awareness and you getting out there with your little bloody
Speaker 1: megaphone at every opportunity and just informing the masses. But
Speaker 1: there's no there's no quick fix, is there, Because it's
Speaker 1: not I mean, what you bring to our attention is
Speaker 1: not something that's uh spoken about a lot or or
Speaker 1: you know, in fact, it's you know, I'm sure there
Speaker 1: are people who go David Gillespie doesn't know what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. I believe you, I'm sure of I'm sure
Speaker 1: of your research, and I tell people about seed oils
Speaker 1: as well. But there are a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are out there sharing a different idea or a different message.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: But if you take the chain of things that I
Speaker 4: was talking about there, so the oxidation, the four HNE,
Speaker 4: the damage to DNA, all of those things. You take
Speaker 4: that chain of things, so you will find really really
Speaker 4: high quality science supporting every single one of those statements.
Speaker 4: There are very few people putting them together and saying, well,
Speaker 4: if all of these things are true, then you have
Speaker 4: an explanation.
Speaker 2: But it is the case.
Speaker 4: There's not one element of that where someone could seriously
Speaker 4: come to you and say, now, what he said about
Speaker 4: four HME is a load of rubbish.
Speaker 2: It's perfectly harmless.
Speaker 4: Every scientist on the planet would agree, No, it is
Speaker 4: extremely dangerous aldehyde, and it does just r upstan and
Speaker 4: it is a bad thing to introduce a sperm. All
Speaker 4: of those individual facts, you will find plenty of very
Speaker 4: reputable scientists who will agree on. What you won't find
Speaker 4: too many of is people who put all of those
Speaker 4: things together in a line and saying, yeah, but what
Speaker 4: does this add up to and is there a possibility
Speaker 4: that explains why we're blowing away our ability to reproduce
Speaker 4: at the rate of two and a half percent a year.
Speaker 4: By the way, it's slightly higher illustrate. It's about three
Speaker 4: percent a year in Australia, but the world average is
Speaker 4: two and a half.
Speaker 1: That is a staggering like three percent doesn't seem much,
Speaker 1: but every year is terrifying.
Speaker 2: Particularly when we're approaching the floor.
Speaker 4: So the flaw of viable reproductive capacity is around the
Speaker 4: ten million mark. And you know there are now average
Speaker 4: readings in the Australian population that are between twenty and
Speaker 4: thirty million, and readings from the nineteen forties were up
Speaker 4: in the hundreds of millions, three and four hundred minute,
Speaker 4: so you know we're already approaching the floor.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. Well, so it's a good thing. I'm past
Speaker 1: my use by dat. I don't need to worry. I'm
Speaker 1: like fucking old cart and the milk just sitting on
Speaker 1: the fucking shelf, just fucking next to it, next to
Speaker 1: a wilted flour. Somebody just come along and fucking pop
Speaker 1: me in the bin. If I was going to ask
Speaker 1: you what oils you use to Do you cook with
Speaker 1: oil or do you just put cold oil on salads?
Speaker 1: Or like, what's your go to?
Speaker 3: I use olive oil and coconut oil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, both good calls.
Speaker 4: But it's not so much the the oil you add yourself.
Speaker 2: It's the oil that's hidden in food you buy.
Speaker 3: So speak to the cookie shop lady and see what
Speaker 3: she's using.
Speaker 2: Usually the answer.
Speaker 4: Usually the answer is the cheapest one they can get,
Speaker 4: because no one can taste the difference.
Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of oils, do you know what phenoles are?
Speaker 1: Have you heard of that PhD in ols? That like
Speaker 1: the levels of phenols in oil and in olive oil
Speaker 1: in that so, yeah, you can tell me about this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is bullshit, but they say
Speaker 1: that high. I think in olive oil, like in Australia
Speaker 1: it's typically under three hundred whatever's per desoleta.
Speaker 4: Or I have every now and then looked at this
Speaker 4: phenol thing and never been able to find any convincing
Speaker 4: science about it. I know that it comes in waves
Speaker 4: of people worrying about it, but I honestly there's some
Speaker 4: stuff there, but nothing that convinces me that it's even
Speaker 4: worth writing a piece about.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I coach I won't say who, and obviously, but
Speaker 1: I coach someone who owns an olive grove and they
Speaker 1: produce this and the all over it like they are
Speaker 1: very high phenol. I think it's like six hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty plus per whatever. Whatever the measurement is, the normal
Speaker 1: measurements under two fifty. This is like three or four
Speaker 1: x that, and they rave about it anyway.
Speaker 4: I'd much I'd be much more interested in an olive
Speaker 4: oil in what percentage of the olive oil is a
Speaker 4: Mega six fat? So it varies quite a bit with
Speaker 4: olive oil, and some of them can are not necessarily
Speaker 4: better than the seed oils they're replacing, and some of
Speaker 4: them are a lot better. So that varies between about
Speaker 4: ten percent and up to around twenty percent. And I
Speaker 4: wish people would focus on that rather than the phenoles.
Speaker 1: On the world famous David Gillespie fat scale, ten out
Speaker 1: of ten being the healthiest yep on your scale the
Speaker 1: Gillespie scale, what do you give olive oil?
Speaker 4: What numbers are it's on the borderline, like it's on
Speaker 4: the it'll do right if if you if you must
Speaker 4: have a liquid fat.
Speaker 2: There aren't a lot of choices. It'll do.
Speaker 4: It's on the arginly safe side of the borderline. So
Speaker 4: I'm not going to against not going to say to
Speaker 4: people they shouldn't have olive oil.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's also not something i'd rave about.
Speaker 1: So you'd give it a six maybe out of ten?
Speaker 2: Yeah, six, seven, something like that.
Speaker 1: And what would you give butter?
Speaker 4: Oh nine, that's ten. Nine depends what the cow eight?
Speaker 4: But yeah, nine or ten?
Speaker 1: And what would you give lard.
Speaker 2: Ten?
Speaker 4: No, it depends what the pig eight Because pigs so
Speaker 4: lard obviously it's pig fat.
Speaker 2: But and pigs are omnivores like us.
Speaker 4: So if the pig was raised on a grain diet,
Speaker 4: was a grain fed pig like ninety seven percent of
Speaker 4: pigs in Australia, then it's probably a three or a four.
Speaker 4: If the pig was raised, you know, on open forage,
Speaker 4: then it's probably an eight or nine. Because they're omnivores
Speaker 4: like us, they store all the amega six they eat,
Speaker 4: and of their eat they're fed a lot of omega six.
Speaker 4: They've got a lot of omega six in their fat.
Speaker 1: And I'm guessing it's a similar story for tallow.
Speaker 2: So tallow is beef fat.
Speaker 4: It's always going to be a ten, simple because ruminants
Speaker 4: like cows don't store any more than about three percent
Speaker 4: of their body fat has polyunsaturate, so it doesn't really
Speaker 4: matter what they're fed. I know, people get all up
Speaker 4: and down about you know, he's a grass feed is
Speaker 4: a grain fed. Yeah, there'll be slightly worse fat profile
Speaker 4: in a grain fed beef, but not that much worse
Speaker 4: because the absolute limit is three percent.
Speaker 1: Anyway, what did you say you have tiff? Did you
Speaker 1: say coconut oil? Did you say that? Or did you coconut?
Speaker 2: What is a good nine or ten?
Speaker 1: Is there anyone that I've missed out that you want
Speaker 1: to give a tick?
Speaker 4: There's that one to know the name of the name
Speaker 4: escapes me. The one that's very very popular in India
Speaker 4: that's basically rendered butter.
Speaker 2: Note gee, that's the one. Yeah, yeah, very very very
Speaker 2: high that one.
Speaker 4: But if you're going to cook, if you're going to
Speaker 4: do frying in oil, the best one is to pop
Speaker 4: down to the supermarket and get super fry, which is
Speaker 4: sold in the little red cubes of foil and that's
Speaker 4: just rendered beef fat.
Speaker 2: Very good choice.
Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. I'm actually getting a
Speaker 1: little bit hungry now, but we've got another podcast straight
Speaker 1: after this, so that's kind of inconvenient. Yeah, perfect. Where
Speaker 1: can people find you and follow you? And is there
Speaker 1: anything you want to plug? You're pushing a book, you're pushing.
Speaker 4: We will be pushing a book next year, but at
Speaker 4: the moment we're not pushing a book. But if you
Speaker 4: want to read the articles that I've been talking about,
Speaker 4: including the zempic one, then you can just go over
Speaker 4: to David Gillespie dot org. So just my name dot
Speaker 4: org and you'll be able to find all this stuff there,
Speaker 4: including this interview.
Speaker 1: Well you're perfect. Yes, I saw that. We've better wrap
Speaker 1: this up so I can tell you tip secret.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm desperate.
Speaker 1: Maybe she can