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Speaker 1: Seeing Whipper with Kate Richie podcast. Well it is.

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Speaker 2: It's an iconic Australian song, how to Make Gravy Paul

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Speaker 2: Kelly And if anyone's seen this live, actually when it

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Speaker 2: was first released, it wasn't that popular, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: And as it's grown on people, the twenty first of

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Speaker 2: December means a lot to a lot of Australians around

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Speaker 2: here just because of that song. But it's now been

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Speaker 2: adapted for the screen and I am so excited for

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Speaker 2: this because at premiere is this Sunday on Binge, It's

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Speaker 2: how to Make Gravy and a man that is starring

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Speaker 2: in it is one of our greatest actors of all time,

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Speaker 2: Hugo Weaving.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody, Thank you. You know Hugo. When you look.

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Speaker 3: At how to Make Gravy and the song, it's adapting

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Speaker 3: a song to the show that you've done. What's fantastic

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Speaker 3: is it's really celebrating the true storytelling that Paul Kelly

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Speaker 3: was able to put into his songs because you can

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Speaker 3: feel the life in the songs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the song's beautiful, isn't it any meeting? Yeah? It

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Speaker 1: is movie and the film is a very moving films

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Speaker 1: there's nothing sent him about it, but it's it feels

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Speaker 1: very true, feels very true to who we are actually

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Speaker 1: Australia's particular this time of year, love that, you know,

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Speaker 1: celebrating family, missing your family, so it feels and Paul

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Speaker 1: gave it his Paul gave Megan Washington and Nick Waterman,

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Speaker 1: who are the directors and sure writers of them. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: you know, carte blanche to go go ahead and adapt it.

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Speaker 4: It would be really interesting to see purely because a

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Speaker 4: song like that, the amount of times that you have

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Speaker 4: listened to it, you've kind of concocted your own characters

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Speaker 4: and story in your head anyway. So I think what

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Speaker 4: I will find most interesting is to sit down and think, oh, these.

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Speaker 1: Are the people that's I know that. Of course, then sorry,

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Speaker 1: they've They've had to create new characters as well, because

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Speaker 1: Joe's writing from prisons, so there's a there's sort of

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Speaker 1: two families. It's the family back at home and takes

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Speaker 1: place over two Christmases. Really starts with one and then

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Speaker 1: jumps forward to the next. I won't ruin it for you,

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Speaker 1: but but then there's obviously the prison family as well,

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Speaker 1: so then had to create characters that weren't written in

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Speaker 1: the song. But clever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, And that's how you are your No,

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Speaker 2: you're a veteran lifer in there, but you're sort of

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Speaker 2: a father figur in prison, aren't you? Or is there

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Speaker 2: a dark side to no, Hugo.

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Speaker 1: No, not No. The lovely thing about knowledge, he feels

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Speaker 1: it feels, it feels grounded in something, something obviously happened

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Speaker 1: to him. He's a lifer, so he's in prison for life.

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Speaker 1: He's obviously done something a long time ago. But he's

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Speaker 1: very much he's very much the father figure, and he's

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Speaker 1: very much the he's like I suppose he's like the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he runs the men's group, and he runs the kitchen

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Speaker 1: and he's yeah, but he's very he keeps the peace

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Speaker 1: helping other guys to do the same thing. So the

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Speaker 1: officials love him because he's actually doing their job for them. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, you are so good at playing the villain though,

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Speaker 2: Hugo Woomi. And this is why I think you are

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite Australian movies you we were just

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Speaker 2: talking about it before, is the interview in ninety ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: If you've never seen that movie before, it is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Go and see it. But you have played so many

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Speaker 2: villains in movies over the years. Are you happy to

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Speaker 2: Are you ready to go?

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Speaker 3: Can you scare them?

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Speaker 1: As well as nice about getting this role of nol

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Speaker 1: and how to make gravy? Is that? I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I don't think of roles as been

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Speaker 2: Is it true that you were right? You were close

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Well, they actually offered it to me?

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Speaker 1: But I definite does that happen a bit a little bit,

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I love about you, Hugo, is

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Speaker 4: that you've had such an incredible career and you've you're

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Speaker 4: a Hollywood star, but you seem to and like with

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Speaker 4: continue to tell great Australian stories. And I mean on

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Speaker 1: I live here, and yeah, no, I've never lived in

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Speaker 1: a Hollywood actor at all. Honestly, I hate the place.

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Speaker 1: I've hardly worked there. And in fact, you think Matrix

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Speaker 1: and Priscilla was and so yeah, I've always lived lived

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Speaker 1: absolutely Yeah, that's what you do.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite character here you go that

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Speaker 2: you've played over the years. Is it is it from Priscilla?

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Speaker 2: Is it is it from Lord of the Rings? Is

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Speaker 1: That you play? Yeah? I think Priscilla was special. The

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Speaker 3: Any other films you've turned down, like roles where you've thought.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, they offered me the role of the Queen.

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Speaker 3: It was a weird one I thought I would have been.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't see the fit.

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Speaker 2: I'm really trying to work this out, and I know

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Speaker 2: you don't want to give too much away on how

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Speaker 2: to make Gravy, but we just know it from the song.

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Speaker 2: But it looks quite emotional and it looks quite heartbreaking

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Speaker 1: Here go Well, I've seen it twice and I cried

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Speaker 1: both times. I tell you why. Because Paul obviously, Paul's

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Speaker 1: Meghan's also wonderful singer songwriter. Course she's written the most

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Speaker 1: getting towards Christmas. The bier is rehearsing, so you hear

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Speaker 1: I didn't have to do anything. Music is really very

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Speaker 1: beautiful and it is about family, and it is about

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Speaker 1: about taking responsibility as a man and stop. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's taking taking taking your place in the family. And

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Speaker 1: it's about all of those things. So it's not sentimental,

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Speaker 1: but it feels very real. It feels true, and it's

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Speaker 1: very moving and it's funny too. There's some great, great

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Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 3: And you told us there's definitely going to be another Priscilla,

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Speaker 3: which was great. He announced that today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what about what about a matrix?

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Speaker 2: Have you heard anything about a matrix? Hugo?

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Speaker 1: Well, there was I didn't do with fourth No last year,

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Speaker 1: and I think there's something happening, but no, I won't

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Speaker 1: be I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Come on, you're a very good one.

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Speaker 2: Just before you go, you're just talking about how important

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Speaker 2: the Australian film industry are you and we need to

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Speaker 2: put more money. The government needs to get involved because

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Speaker 2: it's it's amazing. I would love to know what's Hugo

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Speaker 2: Weaving's greatest Australian movie of all time?

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite movie?

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe Ten Canoes? Yes, yeah, unbelievable, but.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to pick one that You're not in,

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Speaker 2: You know you are a treasure to this country and

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Speaker 2: we loved having you in. How to Make Gravy premieres

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Speaker 2: this Sunday on Bingch. Thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Guys, Thank you, Waite, thanks you.

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