Speaker 1: Approche production.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the
Speaker 2: Muscle comments. Welcome back to the Secrets of the Underworld.
Speaker 2: In this episode, I'm gonna be sitting down with one
Speaker 2: of my producers having a Q and A from fans
Speaker 2: and himself, which I am nervous as fuck. But anyway,
Speaker 2: let's get on the way.
Speaker 1: Let's go, mate. It sounds a bit more enthusiastic about.
Speaker 2: I don't like being under the fucking under the spotlight,
Speaker 2: and I don't like getting interviewed.
Speaker 1: So I've worked as a as a like a doormant
Speaker 1: at the cross during like hectic times you've been shot
Speaker 1: at before.
Speaker 2: I don't talk.
Speaker 1: I've well, you can't. You can't knock me, mate, It's
Speaker 1: all on camera, so don't be too mean about it.
Speaker 1: This is fine. We've got a whole bunch of different questions.
Speaker 1: Stuff to do with the questions, that's the problem. But
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of it. Made to ask you anything,
Speaker 1: and that's what we're going with. We'll start off nice
Speaker 1: and easy in hew some some more personal questions.
Speaker 2: Oh they're not easy.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. This is an interesting question
Speaker 1: because we know what you've done for a living. But
Speaker 1: what did you what did you want to be when
Speaker 1: you grew up when you were younger, what did you
Speaker 1: dream of.
Speaker 2: Actually being a soccer player footballer?
Speaker 1: Really? And what happened there.
Speaker 2: When I when I with my mates got pissed fucking
Speaker 2: mcgirl's fucking nightclubs and they all went down.
Speaker 1: Did you get anywhere with it?
Speaker 2: Or I did in the UK? Yeah? I must have
Speaker 2: met in the UK? Did you know? I was on
Speaker 2: the Pools books. Then I went to Bristol City. Then
Speaker 2: I went to Shrewsbury, which is not big clubs, and
Speaker 2: you know it's I came over to it here for
Speaker 2: a new challenge. And I didn't realize in Australia was
Speaker 2: ten years behind every fucking cunt okay, And it was
Speaker 2: because when I got there, you know, I was down
Speaker 2: in Wollongong and the first thing they said to me,
Speaker 2: have you got a job? And I said, why do
Speaker 2: we need a job for? And then they said you
Speaker 2: need the job to fucking help?
Speaker 1: Was being a dorm in your first job? When your
Speaker 1: candles right?
Speaker 2: No? No?
Speaker 1: What was some of the previous jobs? Yet?
Speaker 2: I worked in a fruit market and I worked at
Speaker 2: the I also worked at Flemington's fruit market too.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, doing like doing the.
Speaker 2: Lifting heavy spuds and onions and all that ship.
Speaker 1: They didn't have you. You weren't going you know, twenty.
Speaker 2: Five nah fuck no, oh no, not with this accent,
Speaker 2: No fucking way. But I actually enjoyed that driving the
Speaker 2: forklts and that was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, but you're you're a big unit. You're a
Speaker 1: big guy.
Speaker 2: I'll take that as a compliment.
Speaker 1: You're lifting, is that where it started? Like you're bodybuilding?
Speaker 2: Like, no, I've always even when I was playing soccer,
Speaker 2: I always tried to, you know, go the way to
Speaker 2: do the weights and lift heavy. Like I remember when
Speaker 2: I was in the markets, I lifted three bags of
Speaker 2: spuds on my shoulders, which is the spuds with fifty
Speaker 2: kilo bags, so the undred and fifty kilos on my shoulders.
Speaker 1: Wow, this question is I love this question because now
Speaker 1: talking about you know, your physic, how much you lift?
Speaker 2: Why is everyone fucking that's a typical fucking male, fucking
Speaker 2: thing to say. I don't know, Like I've benched two
Speaker 2: twenty two twenty in my prime two twenty and that
Speaker 2: was only fucking five years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, so you passed your prime now.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not past my fucking prime. It's just when
Speaker 2: I was fucking more into it and like I was
Speaker 2: trying to compete. So I'm not past my fucking prime.
Speaker 2: Two twenty twenty twenty and I've done six six twenty
Speaker 2: on leg press.
Speaker 1: Wow, keeping this nice? This is I'm going to keep
Speaker 1: it nice and that's all right. Do you have any pets?
Speaker 2: Fuck? Yeah, I have. I have two dogs, British bulldogs,
Speaker 2: two cats.
Speaker 1: What's your preference? Are you a cat man or a
Speaker 1: dog man?
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm a dog man, but the cats
Speaker 2: make me relax. Yeah, It's it's funny how the cat
Speaker 2: can make me relax because I look at it and
Speaker 2: it's like a big fucking tiger. But my dogs, and
Speaker 2: my dogs like the loyalist, fucking I love the way
Speaker 2: the loyal to me and the girl for walks with me.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so I'm a dog man, but I love
Speaker 2: my cat. They make me, as I said, relaxed one tomorrow,
Speaker 2: I'm stressed.
Speaker 1: There's something something kind of cute about you know, more
Speaker 1: like you just pating little kittens on your cout. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always want pussies on my cou.
Speaker 1: You know, you sound like a sweetheart just for a
Speaker 1: split second. For those that don't know, I really stir
Speaker 1: you a lot producing this podcast. You give me a
Speaker 1: hard time, I do give you a hard time, so
Speaker 1: that that's not going to change.
Speaker 2: This especially does my reels every week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the one that does reels every week and
Speaker 1: then deals with your complaining all the time. Let's look
Speaker 1: at let's get into your life as a as a bodyguard.
Speaker 1: I know that in other episodes we've spoken about this before.
Speaker 1: What was your first day like on the doors when
Speaker 1: you got to the infamous level of you working the
Speaker 1: cross and working with John?
Speaker 2: Like, so, what was like working for John on the
Speaker 2: doors the first time? My first time working for John
Speaker 2: on the doors was I must admit it was. It
Speaker 2: was nerve wracking because I knew whose door it was.
Speaker 2: I was nervous as fuck in case I made a mistake.
Speaker 2: And yet I've been doing it prior to this, probably
Speaker 2: how many years been seven years prior to be working
Speaker 2: on his doors, and I felt like it was my
Speaker 2: first time on the doors. I just didn't want to
Speaker 2: make a mistake and I wanted to show that I
Speaker 2: was worthy to be on his doors. And as I said,
Speaker 2: when I first found seeing Tongue and Sam and I
Speaker 2: said low to him, I wanted this job, That's what
Speaker 2: I wanted. I remember shaking his hand and saying, I
Speaker 2: want your fucking job, And that's that was my aim.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I never want to just be a dormant.
Speaker 2: I never wanted die. I wanted to be more than
Speaker 2: what just the dormant. What was the more than a dormant?
Speaker 1: You wanted to do that?
Speaker 2: I wanted to be a body guy. If I was
Speaker 2: going to do security, it was always a bodyguard, not
Speaker 2: to like John and it was I never thought of that.
Speaker 2: It was just that if I'm going to do security,
Speaker 2: it's got to be for a purpose. And that was
Speaker 2: the purpose, to be a bodygud.
Speaker 1: So you spent a lot of time work the doors
Speaker 1: in King's Cross and looking after all kinds of people
Speaker 1: that would come into the place. For a person like
Speaker 1: me who gets denied all the time for what she is,
Speaker 1: I'm wearing what actually happens in the VIP room and
Speaker 1: what is some of the craziest things you've seen happen
Speaker 1: in there?
Speaker 2: What of my what's the craziest thing? Listen, It depends
Speaker 2: whose VIP room it is like ritually, you know what
Speaker 2: it does. It depends whose VIP. If you're if you're somebody,
Speaker 2: you'll get away with it. If you're nobody and you've
Speaker 2: just fucking hide it, then you're just a normal person.
Speaker 2: I've seen people have sex in the VIP rooms openly
Speaker 2: have it, you know. I've seen fucking drugs all of
Speaker 2: the tables, and there's no hide in it. It's it
Speaker 2: just depends whose it is, whose VIP is. There's probably
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of sex, a lot of sex,
Speaker 2: a lot of sex.
Speaker 1: Have you ever a partagon?
Speaker 2: I have not such a part in it, the VIP sex.
Speaker 2: And I didn't watch. I just see and I went, well,
Speaker 2: ship and then let's let's make sure no one's looking
Speaker 2: at that one.
Speaker 1: He didn't watch.
Speaker 2: No, definitely didn't watch, especially with the people I knew
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: It was who's the who is like, who is the
Speaker 1: biggest name you've seen getting up to that kind of
Speaker 1: mischief in the VIP room? Fuck plot?
Speaker 2: Okay, probably the biggest person. I'll go a little bit
Speaker 2: down because he's not the biggest, but he's his father's
Speaker 2: big would be what's his name that his father owns Virgin.
Speaker 1: Ransom.
Speaker 2: Yes, his son, his son was having sex in the
Speaker 2: VIP room and so and and King's Cross.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you just sat and watched.
Speaker 2: Well in the day, I was looking after him that night.
Speaker 1: And so when something like that happens and you're looking
Speaker 1: after someone, do you have to stay there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But you know what you can if either turned
Speaker 2: the blind guy as long as no one else sees it,
Speaker 2: and as long as a girl is like five of it,
Speaker 2: and she was because she was that was his missus.
Speaker 2: And they just got a bit too much on the
Speaker 2: drugs and that's it. But then they went to finish
Speaker 2: it off downstairs and the.
Speaker 1: Toilet, and you had to allow that as well.
Speaker 2: Well. I had to walk with him to make sure
Speaker 2: the one got in the fucker disabled.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm a knock back a person in a wheelchair,
Speaker 1: because that's quite a job. How did you start working
Speaker 1: with more high profile people? What was the gateway to
Speaker 1: that was?
Speaker 2: That was was probably my look that probably got me
Speaker 2: into a lot of jobs. My luck, my posture and
Speaker 2: probably be me in too professional I am. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: very professional at my job. I tried, you know, if
Speaker 2: my standards tie whatever, job I'm doing in that kind
Speaker 2: of industry, and that's always been but it'd be mostly
Speaker 2: my posture it guess me, and you're just standing tall,
Speaker 2: standing tall, and the staunch they.
Speaker 1: Go kids, work on your prospects, stand up.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Uh. Sticking with like nightclub stuff. You mentioned drug use
Speaker 1: in the VIP room. What's the most amount of gear
Speaker 1: you've ever seen in this been in the same.
Speaker 2: Room, Oh, because the most master gear I've seen. Well,
Speaker 2: now this is testing, because it's just gonna get me interrot.
Speaker 1: Allegedly for.
Speaker 2: See this this two incidence here. Okay, there's there's been
Speaker 2: like a lot of parties I've been to in the
Speaker 2: hotel rooms where I've seen like a lot of fucking
Speaker 2: cocaine on a table and it's filled the whole fucking
Speaker 2: table and then we've made a massive line from it.
Speaker 2: But then again, I've also been in a room where
Speaker 2: I've probably seen on a on a dining table probably
Speaker 2: maybe one hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Pills one hundred thousand, yeah wow.
Speaker 2: And they're putting them into bags.
Speaker 1: So a room with some people that probably shouldn't get
Speaker 1: caught with Yeah wow, Hey, I hour of a thousand
Speaker 1: pills is crazy, Like did you see how these kind
Speaker 1: of came about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a there was a time when I
Speaker 2: went with a mate and he said, I've got to
Speaker 2: go to seven eleven and I said what for? And
Speaker 2: he says, I've just got to get some loaves of
Speaker 2: bread and I've got to drop some off to my
Speaker 2: to my mates because you know they've for lunch and
Speaker 2: all like that. So that quickly had to go for
Speaker 2: a run in the car. I said, all right, I
Speaker 2: fucking know, I'm thinking, why is this so for an
Speaker 2: agent to go for a fucking life of this fucking
Speaker 2: bread man?
Speaker 1: What time is this you're talking You're talking.
Speaker 2: About nine o'clock at night, and I'm thinking, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: So we were driving in the car and back then
Speaker 2: you know, you got you're in a fucking old commodore
Speaker 2: and you're fucking driving around s s and then fucking
Speaker 2: all of a sudden he stops in the middle of
Speaker 2: the road and I go, are you doing it? And
Speaker 2: he goes, wait, they're coming to they're picking up my loaf.
Speaker 2: And now was what what are you talking about? And
Speaker 2: this car would stop. Why is winning down? He put
Speaker 2: his winner down? Look for bed, go over the over
Speaker 2: to him and go, what the fuck you do? What
Speaker 2: the fuck are you seriously, You're just going to seven
Speaker 2: to eleven himself.
Speaker 1: This is like a drive by. Yeah, breadeck change, bread exchange.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, like when we get back,
Speaker 2: he goes what the fuck was all that about? And
Speaker 2: he just goes bro and then he opens up the
Speaker 2: bread and he just goes see and he got it's
Speaker 2: all cut. The bread was all cut in the middle,
Speaker 2: and there's all the fucking drugs stuck in the middle
Speaker 2: of the bread, the loaf of bread. So fucking what's
Speaker 2: it called fucking wonder wall whatever it's called? Fucking I
Speaker 2: was gonna say, what fucking whole meal is fucking get
Speaker 2: spread around? Or would you want multi grain or do
Speaker 2: you want fucking white? Like what what the fuckro you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? But it was just that's how
Speaker 2: they used to do it back in the day.
Speaker 1: Just bread runs, bread runs.
Speaker 2: But I didn't know I was going to drop off,
Speaker 2: that's the thing. Well, I just thought I was just
Speaker 2: going for fucking like a legit, going to pick up bread,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then he tells me
Speaker 2: when he gets home and here like he oms up
Speaker 2: the bread and it's got it. It is. It was
Speaker 2: just like a fucking you know when you get a
Speaker 2: sudge on the and the sausage in the middle and
Speaker 2: then you just see it. It's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Okay? And what's the most amount of cash you've said?
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of cash because I used to
Speaker 2: do a lot of collecting.
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of a lot of collecting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the most amount you've had to collect?
Speaker 2: Uh, what I've succeeded with it? Or of or about
Speaker 2: to go and get give me that you're probably looking about.
Speaker 2: I want to collect, but maybe six k that's it.
Speaker 2: But then the most I have in my hands legitly
Speaker 2: legit Umm, you're probably maybe talking maybe two hundred k,
Speaker 2: two hundred k in nuts? Yeah, have is that?
Speaker 1: Did you feel it? You've covered that much cash?
Speaker 2: And there I was. I wasn't feeling. I was just
Speaker 2: looking at it saying, funk, I'm going to get away
Speaker 2: with this.
Speaker 3: How can I do a sneaky on?
Speaker 1: And have you ever No, I don't know that's a professionalism.
Speaker 1: Have you you speaking about the amount of a lot
Speaker 1: of drugs you've seen.
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of drugs.
Speaker 1: Have you ever partagon in drugs?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah, I've always been. I'm ashamed to say
Speaker 2: that I've partaken. I've had my fun with drugs.
Speaker 1: Right, had your phone?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Have my phone?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: What about when it came to working out? Did you
Speaker 1: ever get on the gear? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not ashamed to say, yeah, I've abused the gear.
Speaker 2: I've abused the gear more than I abused party drugs.
Speaker 2: You know. I used to abuse it so much that
Speaker 2: you know, I could put five meals in one day,
Speaker 2: and then five and probably maybe four hours later, ten
Speaker 2: meals in one day because I thought I was shrinking,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, for my shirts were loose
Speaker 2: on me. Then I think I was shrinking. So I
Speaker 2: go to the fucking my mate put front of five
Speaker 2: meals in me. Then I take probably in a carry
Speaker 2: the Dinabol pills, which you know were oral pills. When
Speaker 2: I was on the doors, I probably could carry about
Speaker 2: maybe thirty to forty pills in my pocket and taken
Speaker 2: my night in case I shrunk. It was that bad?
Speaker 1: And what made you like because obviously you don't seem
Speaker 1: to be that bad now.
Speaker 2: No, I've contained it, I think, what more helped me
Speaker 2: was when I started to compete, and then I started
Speaker 2: talking to people you know about the gear and they
Speaker 2: knew it because they were bodybuilders, and how to you know,
Speaker 2: do it properly? But before that, you know, I was
Speaker 2: I was banging it in my chest, banging it in
Speaker 2: my arms everywhere, just to make things grow here.
Speaker 1: What's agerally, feel like you're your ideal size now? No?
Speaker 1: Never fucking way you want to do the girl small?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel so. I'm small at the moment.
Speaker 2: This is small for me now.
Speaker 1: I know why when I say you're looking a bit thin,
Speaker 1: you get to King's Cross has a pretty notorious reputation,
Speaker 1: especially back in the day. What's your view of the
Speaker 1: Cross now?
Speaker 2: Shit? Absolutely, shit, terrible. Like as I said to people,
Speaker 2: you go on the Cross now, it's not about the
Speaker 2: Coca cola sound, It's about the Wolff sound on the
Speaker 2: left hand side. It's it's all family orientated. Now there's
Speaker 2: people pushing prems. You wouldn't see that, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's terrible. No nightlife anymore. It's all derelict. It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if you've got a few night clubs still left there.
Speaker 2: The place is gone. To shit.
Speaker 1: It's terrible, and do you think like obviously lockout laws
Speaker 1: were a big, massive part of that, but you were
Speaker 1: kind of there as that era.
Speaker 2: I got out in two thousand and and just on
Speaker 2: twenty forty I got it.
Speaker 1: So you were there when lockolence on the cross was
Speaker 1: mass closing an issuhuge that.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that was should have been the
Speaker 2: main issue for the cross, because there was a violence
Speaker 2: all over Sydney. You know, the George Street ivy had
Speaker 2: the same thing, the same deal, Circular Key had the
Speaker 2: same deal. You go down to Wollongong and they sayd
Speaker 2: the same deal. But the Cross was made as a
Speaker 2: point because of the cross, and they closed it down
Speaker 2: because they always think it's biking instead of starting the tuble.
Speaker 2: It was never bikings, it was it was just okay,
Speaker 2: there was a few instances that shouldn't have happened, but
Speaker 2: the end of the day, instance happened all over Sydney,
Speaker 2: all over for Queensland, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: it shouldn't be just one area, but I know it
Speaker 2: was generated everywhere. But that's an iconic place, King's Cross
Speaker 2: where everyone you you come over from overseas and that's
Speaker 2: what you're f this and you want to see King's
Speaker 2: Cross because the coke sign. You know, back in the day,
Speaker 2: they came to see the trainneys, they came to see
Speaker 2: the fucking ship clubs. And now it's just gone.
Speaker 1: Do you miss it?
Speaker 2: Do I miss King Truss? Yeah? Yeah, But I'd never
Speaker 2: go back now because it's not an error to go back.
Speaker 2: It's just it's the young generation of ruined it.
Speaker 1: You say, like other people have ruined it. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't just bikes. And we'll get into the bike stuff
Speaker 1: a bit later. Who are the worst people to say
Speaker 1: lined up to come into a club? I think the
Speaker 1: category of people that are kind of coming.
Speaker 3: For Paramata gonn this fuck fucking hell.
Speaker 2: Anyone who wore tns there you go. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: the fucking mullets, the fucking rats tails. Then you know
Speaker 2: you are, you're walking in with for your Paramta, but
Speaker 2: you're not what I mean, fuck you.
Speaker 1: Know they were like I asked me this, then, is
Speaker 1: there someone in the tarns from Paramount in your line?
Speaker 1: Are they worse? What's worse that person that you just
Speaker 1: described or seven wines deep blonde woman.
Speaker 2: The end?
Speaker 1: Still I would have thought some of the ladies would
Speaker 1: have been really difficult to do with.
Speaker 2: The ladies with the trainees were really the trainees were terrible.
Speaker 2: And some of the trainees that I believe or not,
Speaker 2: would turn up and they've got a driver's license with
Speaker 2: a male on it, but they're fucking dressed as a female.
Speaker 2: How then am I supposed to recognize you?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So when I go, that's
Speaker 2: not you, what do you think do you think they're
Speaker 2: gonna one took the fucking shoe off.
Speaker 3: To throw at me, and it was, yeah, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: But it's the girls were never that bad. Actually, it's that,
Speaker 2: you know, you get some guys who would be in
Speaker 2: the line and they'd stand there by some fucking hot
Speaker 2: girls and they go, this is my girlfriend And I go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: what's this and she go, oh, sure, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, because that's how they used to get them,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's it was always the
Speaker 2: ones with the tns couldn't get in, so they get
Speaker 2: the hottest girls to walk in. What's their birthday? It's
Speaker 2: a birthday party? Can we come in? Oh what's your
Speaker 2: date of birth? Or what's this or what's your girlfriend's name?
Speaker 2: Or whose birthday is it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Whose birthday is it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's but why wouldn't you just let people in the like?
Speaker 1: Because I've done that. We've all done that way with
Speaker 1: the girls.
Speaker 2: Back back then, there was a certain crowd that was
Speaker 2: that had to come into that club, and then it
Speaker 2: deteriorated over the over the years. But the thing is,
Speaker 2: I was told, don't let this this kind of criteria
Speaker 2: into the club, and it was always the same ones.
Speaker 2: You know, I've cut people's hair on the door to
Speaker 2: let them in. I used to have scissors on the
Speaker 2: door to cut people's hair, and I used to collect
Speaker 2: them in the in the meter box. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: I used to make a serial killer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to cut them off. They've been kept,
Speaker 2: they've been grown their hair for fifteen twenty eight years,
Speaker 2: and I cut it off just so that you get
Speaker 2: in the club.
Speaker 1: You still got some of that hare.
Speaker 2: I actually went to DC's not longer for a re union.
Speaker 2: I've seen that. I opened up the box to sieve
Speaker 2: there's any hair left in there.
Speaker 1: None left? Well, you were you worked for John in
Speaker 1: some of his big clubs. Ye, have you ever been
Speaker 1: shot at?
Speaker 2: Yep, what happened? They missed? Obviously pretty shit shot.
Speaker 1: You're a big target.
Speaker 2: Yeah, d CMS was the first one. They've done a
Speaker 2: drive by d CMS, the first that the week before.
Speaker 2: Actually they've done the proper run. They've done a practice
Speaker 2: run in the car. They sat in it and we
Speaker 2: all just thought they were messing around, like they came past,
Speaker 2: made a noise, but maybe five of them, six of
Speaker 2: them in the car, and they put their fingers outside
Speaker 2: the windows like a pointed like a gun and laughed
Speaker 2: and sped off. And then the next week it was
Speaker 2: for real. But it was by chance that you know,
Speaker 2: God knows why I touch toward why I did it.
Speaker 2: But ten minutes before the shooting happened, I moved the
Speaker 2: ballyards closest to the door, and I usually stand right
Speaker 2: by where the bullets hit where there's a there's a
Speaker 2: hair dressers next to d c MS the main door,
Speaker 2: and I moved them to buy outside the main entrance,
Speaker 2: and all the bullets hit where I usually stand.
Speaker 1: Wow, but they weren't like they weren't coming for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was a hit on me. That
Speaker 2: was a hit for me because because because I was
Speaker 2: one of the main boys for John, so it was
Speaker 2: come to take me out.
Speaker 1: Wow, but here was a hit. Did that make you
Speaker 1: consider quitting?
Speaker 2: Now? My whole life in you're in a bubble for that.
Speaker 2: For that, there's no scared about being scared or in
Speaker 2: situations you back off. You you were always I wanted
Speaker 2: to be first.
Speaker 1: There is that them? You said that was the first one?
Speaker 1: How many times does this.
Speaker 2: One? I've had a gun pointed to my head that
Speaker 2: was a King's cross when he went to go into
Speaker 2: dream Girls, and then I had butted them twice and
Speaker 2: he dropped the gun. And then there was a drive
Speaker 2: by my unit in Neutral Bay.
Speaker 1: What are you thinking when a gun is pointed at
Speaker 1: your head?
Speaker 2: To get the gun out of it as soon as possible,
Speaker 2: Because I thought he was gonna shoot youjun So when
Speaker 2: I was when he when he made the run for
Speaker 2: the door, he was doing it for a couple of minutes,
Speaker 2: walking past past me all the time, and I thought, Fuck,
Speaker 2: what's up this guy? And then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: I watched him again, and he unzipped his jacket and
Speaker 2: went for inside it and put his hand inside and
Speaker 2: went well, and then all of a sudden, he just
Speaker 2: pulled it ran to the door, and I ran with him.
Speaker 2: And then as we're on the stairs, as if you know,
Speaker 2: if you go down the stairs, that's where dream Girls is,
Speaker 2: you're on stairs, he put the gun to my head
Speaker 2: and he had it on my on my my probably
Speaker 2: on my temple. And then I just kept head buttoning
Speaker 2: until he dropped it, and then I threw him down
Speaker 2: the stairs.
Speaker 1: So did you in that moment when you decided to
Speaker 1: like fight back, because most people would freeze and be
Speaker 1: like whoa, whoa, WHOA?
Speaker 2: I know, I did.
Speaker 1: You just know he wasn't going to die.
Speaker 2: And I knew. I knew I had him in a
Speaker 2: good position and he wasn't as built as me, so
Speaker 2: I knew I had, you know, over him to do it.
Speaker 1: Has there ever been a moment that you were scared?
Speaker 1: Then you're talking like you weren't really scared.
Speaker 2: Because you're in the moment, And the fact is, you
Speaker 2: know you're in this bubble where the power that you have,
Speaker 2: you're not scared. It's only when you know what it's
Speaker 2: only when you I walked away and then I see
Speaker 2: the situations that I was in, Then you really know
Speaker 2: what you've been in and you've done, then you think
Speaker 2: fuck even though it's gone, then you think fuck that
Speaker 2: was scary.
Speaker 1: Like you've got kids. If either of your or any
Speaker 1: of your kids were like I'm going to get into
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: Not a chance, right, no chance, no chance, I'd fucking
Speaker 2: slap them.
Speaker 1: So you're like, it's not a way to live.
Speaker 2: Nah, no fucking way, no way, no way. As I said,
Speaker 2: I got in by chance. It wasn't that I wanted
Speaker 2: to be what I ended up being. It was by chance,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, when I got my
Speaker 2: security license and I started straight away, you know, I
Speaker 2: was virtually one of the the main dormant on Home nightclub,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, for your first job. That
Speaker 2: was a fucking big thing for me. And then within
Speaker 2: what maybe six weeks, I was given the role to
Speaker 2: be undercover for the drug run in the Home Light club,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. The power that I got
Speaker 2: in the early days. And then from there I moved
Speaker 2: to Soho and I was head dorming there and working
Speaker 2: for the owner. It was just massive. So every time
Speaker 2: I went to a venue, I was given, you know,
Speaker 2: a massive role. So it just led to bigger things,
Speaker 2: and then you see what's going on in the end,
Speaker 2: and then you think, I want that, I want that.
Speaker 2: And I remember when I worked for John I. He
Speaker 2: was this fucking big guy and it was Tongue and Sam,
Speaker 2: I want his job.
Speaker 1: And you told Tongue and Sam, Yeah, And what was
Speaker 1: his reaction?
Speaker 2: Laughed at me. He laughed at me, laughed at me
Speaker 2: and put his big hands on my shoulder and pattered
Speaker 2: me and then walked off.
Speaker 1: And now then I give it.
Speaker 2: Still, I'm going to get your job.
Speaker 1: You say that you wouldn't let your kids do it,
Speaker 1: but you still kind of delve back into that world.
Speaker 1: So the regret mustn't be that strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't go back into it as the
Speaker 2: as I used to im A m I, you know,
Speaker 2: hang around or I do a few things. But I've
Speaker 2: learned my lesson from when I was Australia's most wanted
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I was used and abused
Speaker 2: for that situation, and I told myself I'd never go
Speaker 2: down that path again. And when i've when I left John,
Speaker 2: I realized I was just a number in the end.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't as close as you think you are.
Speaker 2: To people that you know you are and you be
Speaker 2: just you leave and you say, well, look where are
Speaker 2: they now when you need them? Or they didn't. No,
Speaker 2: you're just a number that you've been replaced.
Speaker 1: Speaking of John, do you know what he thinks of
Speaker 1: you doing this podcast? You've been doing it for a
Speaker 1: few years.
Speaker 2: If he didn't like it, I would he would have
Speaker 2: reached out and told.
Speaker 1: Me, hey, is that the kind of level of Nah?
Speaker 2: Listen, John? Wouldn't John. John's John, his own thing. He
Speaker 2: gets on with his own stuff. I don't even think
Speaker 2: he would, you know, pat me on the back. If
Speaker 2: if this became a fucking, you know, massive in America,
Speaker 2: if the fucking it became the best podcast on Wild,
Speaker 2: I still probably wouldn't get a phone call saying well done,
Speaker 2: that's John.
Speaker 1: Have you watched The Last King of the Cross?
Speaker 2: Yes, what's the Last King? I knew this was coming,
Speaker 2: I've watched it. Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 1: To be honest, be truthful to your podcast, To be honest, I.
Speaker 2: Don't like it. Why so, it's it's not how I
Speaker 2: I've seen the Cross. To me, it's like watching John Wick.
Speaker 2: It's not It's not Least of the King's Cross. It's
Speaker 2: nothing about King's Cross. There's too much fucking I don't know,
Speaker 2: like John's John. But I've never seen anyone get thrown
Speaker 2: off a fucking cliff yet. But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's just too much fantasy in it. And I get you,
Speaker 2: one of you want to sell a show overseas and
Speaker 2: make it hype it up a lot. But to me,
Speaker 2: I'd rather see the story that everyone wants to see about.
Speaker 2: You know, your life and what happened. I know you
Speaker 2: can't tell too much about it because of you know,
Speaker 2: circumstances and noting like that, But I want to see
Speaker 2: it real, you know what I mean? The characters, You
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I'm lost.
Speaker 1: And you've been around a lot of crazy moments. You
Speaker 1: know you've seen in there are actually confrontations between gang
Speaker 1: members and whatnot. Have you ever been involved in an
Speaker 1: altercation where you caused a lot of hardness on it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh should you?
Speaker 1: What did you do?
Speaker 2: I won't. I won't deny that because the end of
Speaker 2: the day, if I don't, it's ever I get killed
Speaker 2: or for the hospital. So back then, yeah, if there's
Speaker 2: been a lot like I couldn't even tell you this.
Speaker 2: There's been so many you know what I mean. I've
Speaker 2: been in Manly King's Cross, Oxford Street and if a
Speaker 2: fight broke out between rivals or someone was in the
Speaker 2: wrong area at the wrong time and it just goes
Speaker 2: toe for toe, you just got to do it. You
Speaker 2: can't back out. And if you back out, then you're
Speaker 2: made to look stupid. And you know, if if you
Speaker 2: if you think something's going to happen, you've got to
Speaker 2: fight to see you you gotta win like you can't. Yeah, man, like,
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of ship like that.
Speaker 1: What's the worst fight you've been in?
Speaker 2: The worst fight in what way? Like? What are you
Speaker 2: talking like? Well? Like winning fighting? How bad it's got too?
Speaker 1: What? Okay, well let's start with this. What have you
Speaker 1: ever been beating up?
Speaker 2: No? No, not touch would have never been beaten up. Okay,
Speaker 2: And don't fucking everyone start fucking. It's not happening.
Speaker 1: It's not happening. What's the worst thing you've done to someone.
Speaker 2: In a fight? But you know what I'll give, I'll give.
Speaker 2: I will give myself a rappier I've never used a
Speaker 2: weapon in a fight, and all I've used is my fists.
Speaker 2: I've never kicked anyone in a fight. I don't believe
Speaker 2: in that because I was a boxer, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, in my younger days. So I've never believed
Speaker 2: in kicking anyone while they're down, or trying to kick
Speaker 2: them to get them down. I've always I've always punched,
Speaker 2: that's it punched, and then ended up slapping because I
Speaker 2: was leaving too many marks. But I will say the
Speaker 2: craziest I wouldn't say it's a fight because it didn't
Speaker 2: end up in a fight, because I knocked him out
Speaker 2: with one punch. But the craziest hits I've ever done
Speaker 2: on someone was it was an islander bloke in King's
Speaker 2: Cross and he was coming around terrorizing a lot of venues.
Speaker 2: And I remember he put it. He he sexually tried
Speaker 2: to touch one of the bar maids up and steal
Speaker 2: a handbag and money from the bar. So I waited
Speaker 2: for him to come past on this Saturday night, and
Speaker 2: when he did, I pulled him aside on the front
Speaker 2: door and I told him I'm going to fucking knock you,
Speaker 2: and he goes fucking try it, and I lined him
Speaker 2: up and I knocked him one punch and I had
Speaker 2: no word of a lie. That punch. I remember today.
Speaker 2: It was the last time I fucking ever hit someone
Speaker 2: with a fist and his nose both all of his
Speaker 2: nose went through both cheeks, so I'm talking, his nose
Speaker 2: was here, the other part of his nose was there.
Speaker 2: He had nothing there, nothing, And I felt I felt
Speaker 2: that bad that I put him into a taxi and
Speaker 2: told the taxi driver to go to the King's Ross
Speaker 2: Hotel as the hospital.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, sending him to.
Speaker 2: The hospital. I sent him to the hospital, and that
Speaker 2: was the last time I ever punched anybody.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: I slapped him after that because I was I couldn't
Speaker 2: believe how much I'd fucking destroyed this guy's face, but
Speaker 2: I wanted to because he was fucking at the time
Speaker 2: the girl who he fucking tried to touch, I was,
Speaker 2: I was dating.
Speaker 1: Right, Is that the worst thing you've done? Someone Viva
Speaker 1: killed someone.
Speaker 2: Someone has died after me knocking them out. But then
Speaker 2: I was told by the the police that it wasn't
Speaker 2: It wasn't me that inflicted it. It was because he
Speaker 2: was high on and on heroin. That must have been
Speaker 2: a heavy It was heavy because at that time I
Speaker 2: wasn't a dormant at the time. Well I was was
Speaker 2: just starting off, but I was. I was working as
Speaker 2: a security guard in Westfield and he kept stealing all
Speaker 2: these dicing vacuums from David Jones, and then I caught
Speaker 2: him with his two mates. He was carrying an empty
Speaker 2: shyringe and the other one was full of blood. So
Speaker 2: that's why I did what I did, because he was
Speaker 2: trying to stab me with them and then I launched
Speaker 2: him and fucking apparently passed away that but they said
Speaker 2: he was high on.
Speaker 1: You've had a lot of sex workers on the podcast
Speaker 1: these past couple of seasons. Some people have loved it,
Speaker 1: some people have hated it.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: What's the craziest sexual thing that you have done?
Speaker 2: The most sexual craziest thing I've done.
Speaker 1: This is a great question because anyone who listens to
Speaker 1: the podcast would know how shocked you always are at
Speaker 1: you know, the crazy things people get up to. Do
Speaker 1: you want me to run through a list.
Speaker 2: But I do know there's a topics because something I
Speaker 2: haven't told you.
Speaker 1: These are topics covered by some of the people that
Speaker 1: have been on your podcast. You know the Karli electrics.
Speaker 1: I know Leilani's and whatnot.
Speaker 2: That's why I bring them on because I've never fucking
Speaker 2: edited this ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because to be honest, like for me, like editing
Speaker 1: the podcast and hearing you have these chats with these people.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be rude, Neil, but you kind
Speaker 1: of sound like a bit of a prude, not very
Speaker 1: adventurous in.
Speaker 2: The I don't really know what to say to this
Speaker 2: one because I'm a bit lost.
Speaker 1: He's just got a big missionary only vibe about you.
Speaker 2: Couldn't really answer that one, sorry.
Speaker 1: Just participated in the VIP room.
Speaker 2: Didn't even do that.
Speaker 1: Who is the worst person you've had to look after?
Speaker 2: The worst person? I'd say the worst person was probably
Speaker 2: Brian McFadden. I didn't never like them. I didn't like him.
Speaker 2: He was he was a tosser and I'll gladly say that.
Speaker 2: You know, he thought he was somebody and he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Didn't like the way he was dating Delta. She was
Speaker 2: too good for him, So that was another fucking reason.
Speaker 2: And he's an Irish count, so that's it, simple as.
Speaker 1: That, simple as that.
Speaker 2: Never liked what was it boyson? He was boson. I
Speaker 2: didn't like.
Speaker 1: I only know him was dating Delta.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I didn't like that either, so fucking you
Speaker 2: looked Delta. Yeah when she used to come across yet
Speaker 2: and was that during the Yeah, she never came back
Speaker 2: up that because I told her, why the fuck would
Speaker 2: you come here? Like? I remember that time when she
Speaker 2: told me to walk into a car when she had
Speaker 2: a big argument with Brian and she was just saying,
Speaker 2: I hate the King's Cross And I said to her,
Speaker 2: I remember saying, walking down there William Street with her,
Speaker 2: I said, I don't even know why you come mere,
Speaker 2: It's terrible, it's not like you. And then she just
Speaker 2: like she laughed like that, and it was the last
Speaker 2: time I spoke to her. She never came back up there.
Speaker 1: Right, Do you still tay in touch with some of
Speaker 1: the celebrities that you've worked for? Are some? Not?
Speaker 2: Most? Not most?
Speaker 1: It's just a burn and turned to the last hole.
Speaker 2: Depends who they are, you know. If I if I
Speaker 2: if we hit it off good, then I do. If
Speaker 2: if we don't, then see her later.
Speaker 1: How did working for Underworld Figures shape your perspective on loyalty,
Speaker 1: trot and trust?
Speaker 2: Is there is no loyalty, there is no trust. Definitely not.
Speaker 2: I've seen that. Now. At the start, you think there is,
Speaker 2: because they're all patent on your back because they need you,
Speaker 2: they want you to be with them, They want to
Speaker 2: say that they have you and in their circle. But
Speaker 2: then once they're done with you and they spit you out.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean that if you're ever in trouble,
Speaker 2: are they there for you? But we're you make sure
Speaker 2: you're there for them. So, as I said, I was
Speaker 2: just a number.
Speaker 1: Were there any moments in your job as a bodyguard
Speaker 1: or dorman where you cross the realm from uh working
Speaker 1: a door into organized crime?
Speaker 2: I might open a couple of times. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 2: because of the fact of who was in our circle
Speaker 2: and I had to to protect the venue.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into any more of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: fair enough, the room just got a colder. What do
Speaker 1: you reckon is the biggest, if any misconception of the
Speaker 1: nightlife and working the doors and stuff in the old
Speaker 1: King's Cross days.
Speaker 2: You know, people used to come to Cross to see
Speaker 2: people like John Abraham, to see the bikers, to see
Speaker 2: the gangsters. But you know what, you could never see them.
Speaker 2: And I still get them people messaging me now saying
Speaker 2: when I was in the Cross, I could never see
Speaker 2: all these people because we know what we mingled. We
Speaker 2: were sitting far corners watching from afar, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. We didn't want to stand out, so we
Speaker 2: were there, but we didn't make noise unless we had
Speaker 2: to make noise.
Speaker 1: Who's the most surprising person you've seen come into the club?
Speaker 1: You've got celebrities, that kind of makes sense, but was
Speaker 1: there anyone who saw coming to the club.
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, yeah, Carl Sandlance.
Speaker 1: That doesn't seem like a surprise. I feel like he
Speaker 1: would have been a bit of a club guy that's
Speaker 1: good mates with John.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but why was he good mates? It was like
Speaker 2: when he started coming, like what the fuck are you
Speaker 2: doing here? Like that was a big surprise to me.
Speaker 2: That one that was a surprise because it even though
Speaker 2: he tried to fit in, he didn't fit in. Mmm,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And it was just the
Speaker 2: person you see on the radio was not the person
Speaker 2: you've seen in the clubs and King's Cross. It was
Speaker 2: a totally different person. He was trying to be someone
Speaker 2: who was not. He was trying to be a gangster. Really,
Speaker 2: he would love to be a game. He'd love to
Speaker 2: be John A. Brown, He'd love to be.
Speaker 1: And what's next for Neil? Obviously the podcast is going well,
Speaker 1: but what's on the horizon? What projects do you want
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: Well? I've got the sports podcast coming out. I wanted
Speaker 2: a TV show that's my main thing. Maybe a documentary
Speaker 2: myself on my life, or maybe just a TV show
Speaker 2: down the line, doing something else towards I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'd love I'd love a radio show.
Speaker 1: Radio is dead, mate's ap podcasts you get more on
Speaker 1: Amazons and podcast and a lot of fucking radio show
Speaker 1: that much.
Speaker 2: Plus I've got a book.
Speaker 1: This could be a sense of a question. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: but do you want to Neil? Do you want to
Speaker 1: be famous?
Speaker 2: I am famous? Answer your question? Google me.
Speaker 1: I can google plenty of faithful. Do you think you're frivs?
Speaker 2: I'm thinking well known.
Speaker 1: Why do you do the podcast?
Speaker 2: Well? Because I love it. I've always I did it
Speaker 2: because I wanted to get my story out at the start,
Speaker 2: because I didn't never think the book reached its potential
Speaker 2: to do that. So when I started doing it was
Speaker 2: about the Cross and me and what I seen and
Speaker 2: what I did. Then it eventuated to like other people
Speaker 2: in who were in my era, and that what the
Speaker 2: biggest thing that hit me doing a podcast was and
Speaker 2: it helped me a lot. Was doing the James English podcast.
Speaker 2: That opened a lot of doors for me in different
Speaker 2: different ways on how to operate a podcast with guests
Speaker 2: and then on what paths to go down. That really
Speaker 2: opened the doors for me.
Speaker 1: Well, that wasn't too that.
Speaker 2: I thought, you're going to show me more than what
Speaker 2: you did.