1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approche production. 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the 3 00:00:13,361 --> 00:00:19,921 Speaker 2: Muscle comments. Welcome back to the Secrets of the Underworld. 4 00:00:20,281 --> 00:00:22,961 Speaker 2: In this episode, I'm gonna be sitting down with one 5 00:00:23,001 --> 00:00:27,361 Speaker 2: of my producers having a Q and A from fans 6 00:00:27,441 --> 00:00:31,321 Speaker 2: and himself, which I am nervous as fuck. But anyway, 7 00:00:31,401 --> 00:00:32,921 Speaker 2: let's get on the way. 8 00:00:33,721 --> 00:00:36,601 Speaker 1: Let's go, mate. It sounds a bit more enthusiastic about. 9 00:00:36,601 --> 00:00:40,081 Speaker 2: I don't like being under the fucking under the spotlight, 10 00:00:40,161 --> 00:00:41,401 Speaker 2: and I don't like getting interviewed. 11 00:00:41,441 --> 00:00:43,961 Speaker 1: So I've worked as a as a like a doormant 12 00:00:43,961 --> 00:00:47,161 Speaker 1: at the cross during like hectic times you've been shot 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: at before. 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,161 Speaker 2: I don't talk. 15 00:00:48,601 --> 00:00:53,201 Speaker 1: I've well, you can't. You can't knock me, mate, It's 16 00:00:53,241 --> 00:00:55,761 Speaker 1: all on camera, so don't be too mean about it. 17 00:00:55,761 --> 00:00:58,241 Speaker 1: This is fine. We've got a whole bunch of different questions. 18 00:00:58,801 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: Stuff to do with the questions, that's the problem. But 19 00:01:01,601 --> 00:01:03,681 Speaker 1: that's the beauty of it. Made to ask you anything, 20 00:01:03,761 --> 00:01:05,521 Speaker 1: and that's what we're going with. We'll start off nice 21 00:01:05,561 --> 00:01:07,961 Speaker 1: and easy in hew some some more personal questions. 22 00:01:08,001 --> 00:01:10,681 Speaker 2: Oh they're not easy. 23 00:01:12,161 --> 00:01:14,361 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. This is an interesting question 24 00:01:14,441 --> 00:01:16,321 Speaker 1: because we know what you've done for a living. But 25 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,601 Speaker 1: what did you what did you want to be when 26 00:01:18,681 --> 00:01:20,241 Speaker 1: you grew up when you were younger, what did you 27 00:01:20,321 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: dream of. 28 00:01:20,681 --> 00:01:22,681 Speaker 2: Actually being a soccer player footballer? 29 00:01:22,881 --> 00:01:25,601 Speaker 1: Really? And what happened there. 30 00:01:27,881 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: When I when I with my mates got pissed fucking 31 00:01:30,681 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: mcgirl's fucking nightclubs and they all went down. 32 00:01:35,321 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: Did you get anywhere with it? 33 00:01:36,481 --> 00:01:38,721 Speaker 2: Or I did in the UK? Yeah? I must have 34 00:01:38,761 --> 00:01:40,601 Speaker 2: met in the UK? Did you know? I was on 35 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: the Pools books. Then I went to Bristol City. Then 36 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,921 Speaker 2: I went to Shrewsbury, which is not big clubs, and 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,561 Speaker 2: you know it's I came over to it here for 38 00:01:49,601 --> 00:01:51,881 Speaker 2: a new challenge. And I didn't realize in Australia was 39 00:01:51,881 --> 00:01:55,761 Speaker 2: ten years behind every fucking cunt okay, And it was 40 00:01:55,881 --> 00:01:58,081 Speaker 2: because when I got there, you know, I was down 41 00:01:58,081 --> 00:02:00,241 Speaker 2: in Wollongong and the first thing they said to me, 42 00:02:00,321 --> 00:02:02,161 Speaker 2: have you got a job? And I said, why do 43 00:02:02,201 --> 00:02:03,841 Speaker 2: we need a job for? And then they said you 44 00:02:03,841 --> 00:02:06,441 Speaker 2: need the job to fucking help? 45 00:02:08,401 --> 00:02:10,121 Speaker 1: Was being a dorm in your first job? When your 46 00:02:10,121 --> 00:02:10,721 Speaker 1: candles right? 47 00:02:11,521 --> 00:02:12,561 Speaker 2: No? No? 48 00:02:13,441 --> 00:02:14,881 Speaker 1: What was some of the previous jobs? Yet? 49 00:02:15,721 --> 00:02:17,761 Speaker 2: I worked in a fruit market and I worked at 50 00:02:17,761 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: the I also worked at Flemington's fruit market too. 51 00:02:21,401 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: Really yeah, doing like doing the. 52 00:02:23,601 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: Lifting heavy spuds and onions and all that ship. 53 00:02:26,321 --> 00:02:29,081 Speaker 1: They didn't have you. You weren't going you know, twenty. 54 00:02:28,881 --> 00:02:31,761 Speaker 2: Five nah fuck no, oh no, not with this accent, 55 00:02:32,401 --> 00:02:35,081 Speaker 2: No fucking way. But I actually enjoyed that driving the 56 00:02:35,121 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: forklts and that was good. 57 00:02:36,321 --> 00:02:39,241 Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, but you're you're a big unit. You're a 58 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:39,601 Speaker 1: big guy. 59 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:40,841 Speaker 2: I'll take that as a compliment. 60 00:02:40,881 --> 00:02:43,921 Speaker 1: You're lifting, is that where it started? Like you're bodybuilding? 61 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,881 Speaker 2: Like, no, I've always even when I was playing soccer, 62 00:02:47,921 --> 00:02:49,561 Speaker 2: I always tried to, you know, go the way to 63 00:02:49,641 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: do the weights and lift heavy. Like I remember when 64 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,561 Speaker 2: I was in the markets, I lifted three bags of 65 00:02:54,601 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: spuds on my shoulders, which is the spuds with fifty 66 00:02:57,321 --> 00:03:00,001 Speaker 2: kilo bags, so the undred and fifty kilos on my shoulders. 67 00:03:00,201 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: Wow, this question is I love this question because now 68 00:03:05,201 --> 00:03:08,521 Speaker 1: talking about you know, your physic, how much you lift? 69 00:03:10,001 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: Why is everyone fucking that's a typical fucking male, fucking 70 00:03:13,401 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: thing to say. I don't know, Like I've benched two 71 00:03:18,201 --> 00:03:21,281 Speaker 2: twenty two twenty in my prime two twenty and that 72 00:03:21,321 --> 00:03:22,761 Speaker 2: was only fucking five years ago. 73 00:03:23,041 --> 00:03:25,201 Speaker 1: Yeah right, so you passed your prime now. 74 00:03:25,041 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: Now, I'm not past my fucking prime. It's just when 75 00:03:27,121 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: I was fucking more into it and like I was 76 00:03:29,561 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: trying to compete. So I'm not past my fucking prime. 77 00:03:32,881 --> 00:03:37,041 Speaker 2: Two twenty twenty twenty and I've done six six twenty 78 00:03:37,121 --> 00:03:38,481 Speaker 2: on leg press. 79 00:03:38,521 --> 00:03:40,961 Speaker 1: Wow, keeping this nice? This is I'm going to keep 80 00:03:40,961 --> 00:03:43,841 Speaker 1: it nice and that's all right. Do you have any pets? 81 00:03:45,041 --> 00:03:49,961 Speaker 2: Fuck? Yeah, I have. I have two dogs, British bulldogs, 82 00:03:50,361 --> 00:03:51,201 Speaker 2: two cats. 83 00:03:51,681 --> 00:03:53,641 Speaker 1: What's your preference? Are you a cat man or a 84 00:03:53,721 --> 00:03:54,121 Speaker 1: dog man? 85 00:03:54,161 --> 00:03:58,001 Speaker 2: You know what, I'm a dog man, but the cats 86 00:03:58,281 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: make me relax. Yeah, It's it's funny how the cat 87 00:04:01,441 --> 00:04:03,241 Speaker 2: can make me relax because I look at it and 88 00:04:03,241 --> 00:04:06,241 Speaker 2: it's like a big fucking tiger. But my dogs, and 89 00:04:06,281 --> 00:04:08,961 Speaker 2: my dogs like the loyalist, fucking I love the way 90 00:04:09,521 --> 00:04:11,281 Speaker 2: the loyal to me and the girl for walks with me. 91 00:04:11,321 --> 00:04:13,321 Speaker 2: And yeah, so I'm a dog man, but I love 92 00:04:13,361 --> 00:04:15,961 Speaker 2: my cat. They make me, as I said, relaxed one tomorrow, 93 00:04:16,081 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: I'm stressed. 94 00:04:16,841 --> 00:04:21,281 Speaker 1: There's something something kind of cute about you know, more 95 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,521 Speaker 1: like you just pating little kittens on your cout. Yeah. 96 00:04:26,361 --> 00:04:27,801 Speaker 2: I always want pussies on my cou. 97 00:04:32,281 --> 00:04:34,001 Speaker 1: You know, you sound like a sweetheart just for a 98 00:04:34,081 --> 00:04:39,761 Speaker 1: split second. For those that don't know, I really stir 99 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,041 Speaker 1: you a lot producing this podcast. You give me a 100 00:04:42,041 --> 00:04:43,761 Speaker 1: hard time, I do give you a hard time, so 101 00:04:43,841 --> 00:04:45,041 Speaker 1: that that's not going to change. 102 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,121 Speaker 2: This especially does my reels every week. 103 00:04:47,281 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the one that does reels every week and 104 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,121 Speaker 1: then deals with your complaining all the time. Let's look 105 00:04:53,121 --> 00:04:55,921 Speaker 1: at let's get into your life as a as a bodyguard. 106 00:04:55,961 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: I know that in other episodes we've spoken about this before. 107 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,961 Speaker 1: What was your first day like on the doors when 108 00:05:02,961 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: you got to the infamous level of you working the 109 00:05:05,681 --> 00:05:06,681 Speaker 1: cross and working with John? 110 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,161 Speaker 2: Like, so, what was like working for John on the 111 00:05:09,201 --> 00:05:12,121 Speaker 2: doors the first time? My first time working for John 112 00:05:12,161 --> 00:05:14,201 Speaker 2: on the doors was I must admit it was. It 113 00:05:14,281 --> 00:05:16,641 Speaker 2: was nerve wracking because I knew whose door it was. 114 00:05:17,121 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: I was nervous as fuck in case I made a mistake. 115 00:05:20,641 --> 00:05:23,361 Speaker 2: And yet I've been doing it prior to this, probably 116 00:05:23,641 --> 00:05:26,681 Speaker 2: how many years been seven years prior to be working 117 00:05:26,681 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: on his doors, and I felt like it was my 118 00:05:28,201 --> 00:05:30,801 Speaker 2: first time on the doors. I just didn't want to 119 00:05:30,801 --> 00:05:33,161 Speaker 2: make a mistake and I wanted to show that I 120 00:05:33,201 --> 00:05:35,401 Speaker 2: was worthy to be on his doors. And as I said, 121 00:05:35,521 --> 00:05:37,561 Speaker 2: when I first found seeing Tongue and Sam and I 122 00:05:37,561 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: said low to him, I wanted this job, That's what 123 00:05:40,481 --> 00:05:42,321 Speaker 2: I wanted. I remember shaking his hand and saying, I 124 00:05:42,361 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: want your fucking job, And that's that was my aim. 125 00:05:45,161 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: I didn't. I never want to just be a dormant. 126 00:05:46,801 --> 00:05:48,961 Speaker 2: I never wanted die. I wanted to be more than 127 00:05:48,961 --> 00:05:52,361 Speaker 2: what just the dormant. What was the more than a dormant? 128 00:05:52,401 --> 00:05:52,841 Speaker 1: You wanted to do that? 129 00:05:52,921 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to be a body guy. If I was 130 00:05:54,401 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: going to do security, it was always a bodyguard, not 131 00:05:56,561 --> 00:05:58,761 Speaker 2: to like John and it was I never thought of that. 132 00:05:58,841 --> 00:06:00,481 Speaker 2: It was just that if I'm going to do security, 133 00:06:00,601 --> 00:06:02,721 Speaker 2: it's got to be for a purpose. And that was 134 00:06:02,761 --> 00:06:04,201 Speaker 2: the purpose, to be a bodygud. 135 00:06:04,841 --> 00:06:08,241 Speaker 1: So you spent a lot of time work the doors 136 00:06:08,281 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: in King's Cross and looking after all kinds of people 137 00:06:11,481 --> 00:06:14,361 Speaker 1: that would come into the place. For a person like 138 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,121 Speaker 1: me who gets denied all the time for what she is, 139 00:06:16,121 --> 00:06:21,081 Speaker 1: I'm wearing what actually happens in the VIP room and 140 00:06:21,281 --> 00:06:23,241 Speaker 1: what is some of the craziest things you've seen happen 141 00:06:23,281 --> 00:06:23,521 Speaker 1: in there? 142 00:06:25,161 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: What of my what's the craziest thing? Listen, It depends 143 00:06:28,641 --> 00:06:32,401 Speaker 2: whose VIP room it is like ritually, you know what 144 00:06:32,801 --> 00:06:35,401 Speaker 2: it does. It depends whose VIP. If you're if you're somebody, 145 00:06:35,521 --> 00:06:37,801 Speaker 2: you'll get away with it. If you're nobody and you've 146 00:06:37,841 --> 00:06:40,401 Speaker 2: just fucking hide it, then you're just a normal person. 147 00:06:40,601 --> 00:06:43,801 Speaker 2: I've seen people have sex in the VIP rooms openly 148 00:06:43,841 --> 00:06:47,241 Speaker 2: have it, you know. I've seen fucking drugs all of 149 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:52,041 Speaker 2: the tables, and there's no hide in it. It's it 150 00:06:52,161 --> 00:06:55,641 Speaker 2: just depends whose it is, whose VIP is. There's probably 151 00:06:56,201 --> 00:06:58,281 Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of sex, a lot of sex, 152 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,001 Speaker 2: a lot of sex. 153 00:06:59,161 --> 00:07:00,161 Speaker 1: Have you ever a partagon? 154 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,561 Speaker 2: I have not such a part in it, the VIP sex. 155 00:07:06,721 --> 00:07:08,521 Speaker 2: And I didn't watch. I just see and I went, well, 156 00:07:08,601 --> 00:07:10,601 Speaker 2: ship and then let's let's make sure no one's looking 157 00:07:10,601 --> 00:07:11,041 Speaker 2: at that one. 158 00:07:11,081 --> 00:07:11,681 Speaker 1: He didn't watch. 159 00:07:12,001 --> 00:07:15,081 Speaker 2: No, definitely didn't watch, especially with the people I knew 160 00:07:15,081 --> 00:07:15,321 Speaker 2: it was. 161 00:07:15,321 --> 00:07:19,241 Speaker 1: It was who's the who is like, who is the 162 00:07:19,281 --> 00:07:22,281 Speaker 1: biggest name you've seen getting up to that kind of 163 00:07:22,281 --> 00:07:27,441 Speaker 1: mischief in the VIP room? Fuck plot? 164 00:07:31,001 --> 00:07:35,361 Speaker 2: Okay, probably the biggest person. I'll go a little bit 165 00:07:35,401 --> 00:07:38,041 Speaker 2: down because he's not the biggest, but he's his father's 166 00:07:38,081 --> 00:07:43,641 Speaker 2: big would be what's his name that his father owns Virgin. 167 00:07:44,921 --> 00:07:45,401 Speaker 1: Ransom. 168 00:07:45,601 --> 00:07:49,761 Speaker 2: Yes, his son, his son was having sex in the 169 00:07:49,841 --> 00:07:54,001 Speaker 2: VIP room and so and and King's Cross. 170 00:07:54,241 --> 00:07:57,121 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you just sat and watched. 171 00:07:57,441 --> 00:07:59,321 Speaker 2: Well in the day, I was looking after him that night. 172 00:07:59,401 --> 00:08:02,801 Speaker 1: And so when something like that happens and you're looking 173 00:08:02,841 --> 00:08:04,361 Speaker 1: after someone, do you have to stay there? 174 00:08:04,841 --> 00:08:08,281 Speaker 2: Yeah? But you know what you can if either turned 175 00:08:08,281 --> 00:08:10,121 Speaker 2: the blind guy as long as no one else sees it, 176 00:08:10,881 --> 00:08:13,721 Speaker 2: and as long as a girl is like five of it, 177 00:08:13,801 --> 00:08:15,881 Speaker 2: and she was because she was that was his missus. 178 00:08:16,161 --> 00:08:17,561 Speaker 2: And they just got a bit too much on the 179 00:08:17,641 --> 00:08:19,801 Speaker 2: drugs and that's it. But then they went to finish 180 00:08:19,801 --> 00:08:20,721 Speaker 2: it off downstairs and the. 181 00:08:20,641 --> 00:08:23,321 Speaker 1: Toilet, and you had to allow that as well. 182 00:08:23,361 --> 00:08:24,521 Speaker 2: Well. I had to walk with him to make sure 183 00:08:24,601 --> 00:08:25,801 Speaker 2: the one got in the fucker disabled. 184 00:08:27,241 --> 00:08:31,561 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm a knock back a person in a wheelchair, 185 00:08:31,601 --> 00:08:36,481 Speaker 1: because that's quite a job. How did you start working 186 00:08:36,521 --> 00:08:39,601 Speaker 1: with more high profile people? What was the gateway to 187 00:08:39,641 --> 00:08:40,241 Speaker 1: that was? 188 00:08:40,321 --> 00:08:43,201 Speaker 2: That was was probably my look that probably got me 189 00:08:43,241 --> 00:08:45,921 Speaker 2: into a lot of jobs. My luck, my posture and 190 00:08:47,001 --> 00:08:50,761 Speaker 2: probably be me in too professional I am. I'm I'm 191 00:08:50,961 --> 00:08:54,281 Speaker 2: very professional at my job. I tried, you know, if 192 00:08:54,481 --> 00:08:57,041 Speaker 2: my standards tie whatever, job I'm doing in that kind 193 00:08:57,081 --> 00:08:59,721 Speaker 2: of industry, and that's always been but it'd be mostly 194 00:08:59,721 --> 00:09:03,001 Speaker 2: my posture it guess me, and you're just standing tall, 195 00:09:03,081 --> 00:09:05,041 Speaker 2: standing tall, and the staunch they. 196 00:09:05,121 --> 00:09:09,081 Speaker 1: Go kids, work on your prospects, stand up. 197 00:09:10,281 --> 00:09:10,641 Speaker 2: Okay. 198 00:09:11,481 --> 00:09:15,001 Speaker 1: Uh. Sticking with like nightclub stuff. You mentioned drug use 199 00:09:15,041 --> 00:09:20,281 Speaker 1: in the VIP room. What's the most amount of gear 200 00:09:21,081 --> 00:09:23,921 Speaker 1: you've ever seen in this been in the same. 201 00:09:23,801 --> 00:09:28,361 Speaker 2: Room, Oh, because the most master gear I've seen. Well, 202 00:09:28,481 --> 00:09:31,241 Speaker 2: now this is testing, because it's just gonna get me interrot. 203 00:09:33,081 --> 00:09:35,641 Speaker 1: Allegedly for. 204 00:09:37,161 --> 00:09:40,681 Speaker 2: See this this two incidence here. Okay, there's there's been 205 00:09:41,001 --> 00:09:43,281 Speaker 2: like a lot of parties I've been to in the 206 00:09:43,321 --> 00:09:46,921 Speaker 2: hotel rooms where I've seen like a lot of fucking 207 00:09:46,961 --> 00:09:50,401 Speaker 2: cocaine on a table and it's filled the whole fucking 208 00:09:50,441 --> 00:09:52,881 Speaker 2: table and then we've made a massive line from it. 209 00:09:53,521 --> 00:09:56,721 Speaker 2: But then again, I've also been in a room where 210 00:09:56,721 --> 00:10:01,241 Speaker 2: I've probably seen on a on a dining table probably 211 00:10:01,281 --> 00:10:04,521 Speaker 2: maybe one hundred thousand. 212 00:10:04,241 --> 00:10:07,721 Speaker 1: Pills one hundred thousand, yeah wow. 213 00:10:07,521 --> 00:10:09,841 Speaker 2: And they're putting them into bags. 214 00:10:09,241 --> 00:10:13,321 Speaker 1: So a room with some people that probably shouldn't get 215 00:10:13,321 --> 00:10:16,201 Speaker 1: caught with Yeah wow, Hey, I hour of a thousand 216 00:10:16,281 --> 00:10:19,441 Speaker 1: pills is crazy, Like did you see how these kind 217 00:10:19,441 --> 00:10:20,121 Speaker 1: of came about? 218 00:10:20,921 --> 00:10:24,281 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a there was a time when I 219 00:10:24,321 --> 00:10:26,281 Speaker 2: went with a mate and he said, I've got to 220 00:10:26,281 --> 00:10:28,081 Speaker 2: go to seven eleven and I said what for? And 221 00:10:28,081 --> 00:10:29,321 Speaker 2: he says, I've just got to get some loaves of 222 00:10:29,321 --> 00:10:30,721 Speaker 2: bread and I've got to drop some off to my 223 00:10:30,921 --> 00:10:33,481 Speaker 2: to my mates because you know they've for lunch and 224 00:10:33,481 --> 00:10:35,161 Speaker 2: all like that. So that quickly had to go for 225 00:10:35,161 --> 00:10:37,441 Speaker 2: a run in the car. I said, all right, I 226 00:10:37,481 --> 00:10:38,961 Speaker 2: fucking know, I'm thinking, why is this so for an 227 00:10:39,001 --> 00:10:40,801 Speaker 2: agent to go for a fucking life of this fucking 228 00:10:40,801 --> 00:10:41,241 Speaker 2: bread man? 229 00:10:41,401 --> 00:10:43,561 Speaker 1: What time is this you're talking You're talking. 230 00:10:43,321 --> 00:10:45,521 Speaker 2: About nine o'clock at night, and I'm thinking, what the fuck? 231 00:10:45,881 --> 00:10:47,641 Speaker 2: So we were driving in the car and back then 232 00:10:47,681 --> 00:10:49,441 Speaker 2: you know, you got you're in a fucking old commodore 233 00:10:49,441 --> 00:10:51,921 Speaker 2: and you're fucking driving around s s and then fucking 234 00:10:51,921 --> 00:10:53,081 Speaker 2: all of a sudden he stops in the middle of 235 00:10:53,081 --> 00:10:54,161 Speaker 2: the road and I go, are you doing it? And 236 00:10:54,161 --> 00:10:56,521 Speaker 2: he goes, wait, they're coming to they're picking up my loaf. 237 00:10:56,561 --> 00:10:58,241 Speaker 2: And now was what what are you talking about? And 238 00:10:58,281 --> 00:11:00,321 Speaker 2: this car would stop. Why is winning down? He put 239 00:11:00,321 --> 00:11:02,361 Speaker 2: his winner down? Look for bed, go over the over 240 00:11:02,361 --> 00:11:04,201 Speaker 2: to him and go, what the fuck you do? What 241 00:11:04,241 --> 00:11:06,801 Speaker 2: the fuck are you seriously, You're just going to seven 242 00:11:06,801 --> 00:11:07,521 Speaker 2: to eleven himself. 243 00:11:07,561 --> 00:11:10,961 Speaker 1: This is like a drive by. Yeah, breadeck change, bread exchange. 244 00:11:11,001 --> 00:11:13,281 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, like when we get back, 245 00:11:13,361 --> 00:11:15,281 Speaker 2: he goes what the fuck was all that about? And 246 00:11:15,281 --> 00:11:17,801 Speaker 2: he just goes bro and then he opens up the 247 00:11:17,841 --> 00:11:20,121 Speaker 2: bread and he just goes see and he got it's 248 00:11:20,281 --> 00:11:22,041 Speaker 2: all cut. The bread was all cut in the middle, 249 00:11:22,401 --> 00:11:24,081 Speaker 2: and there's all the fucking drugs stuck in the middle 250 00:11:24,081 --> 00:11:26,761 Speaker 2: of the bread, the loaf of bread. So fucking what's 251 00:11:26,761 --> 00:11:29,441 Speaker 2: it called fucking wonder wall whatever it's called? Fucking I 252 00:11:29,521 --> 00:11:34,281 Speaker 2: was gonna say, what fucking whole meal is fucking get 253 00:11:34,321 --> 00:11:36,161 Speaker 2: spread around? Or would you want multi grain or do 254 00:11:36,201 --> 00:11:39,721 Speaker 2: you want fucking white? Like what what the fuckro you 255 00:11:39,801 --> 00:11:41,041 Speaker 2: know what I mean? But it was just that's how 256 00:11:41,081 --> 00:11:42,321 Speaker 2: they used to do it back in the day. 257 00:11:42,641 --> 00:11:43,921 Speaker 1: Just bread runs, bread runs. 258 00:11:43,921 --> 00:11:45,201 Speaker 2: But I didn't know I was going to drop off, 259 00:11:45,241 --> 00:11:49,041 Speaker 2: that's the thing. Well, I just thought I was just 260 00:11:49,081 --> 00:11:51,841 Speaker 2: going for fucking like a legit, going to pick up bread, 261 00:11:52,321 --> 00:11:53,881 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then he tells me 262 00:11:53,921 --> 00:11:55,361 Speaker 2: when he gets home and here like he oms up 263 00:11:55,361 --> 00:11:56,801 Speaker 2: the bread and it's got it. It is. It was 264 00:11:56,841 --> 00:11:58,201 Speaker 2: just like a fucking you know when you get a 265 00:11:58,241 --> 00:12:00,161 Speaker 2: sudge on the and the sausage in the middle and 266 00:12:00,201 --> 00:12:01,881 Speaker 2: then you just see it. It's like, what the fuck? 267 00:12:05,241 --> 00:12:07,401 Speaker 1: Okay? And what's the most amount of cash you've said? 268 00:12:08,321 --> 00:12:09,721 Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of cash because I used to 269 00:12:09,721 --> 00:12:10,441 Speaker 2: do a lot of collecting. 270 00:12:11,281 --> 00:12:13,041 Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of a lot of collecting. 271 00:12:13,441 --> 00:12:15,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the most amount you've had to collect? 272 00:12:16,601 --> 00:12:20,561 Speaker 2: Uh, what I've succeeded with it? Or of or about 273 00:12:20,601 --> 00:12:23,961 Speaker 2: to go and get give me that you're probably looking about. 274 00:12:24,121 --> 00:12:27,001 Speaker 2: I want to collect, but maybe six k that's it. 275 00:12:27,041 --> 00:12:31,121 Speaker 2: But then the most I have in my hands legitly 276 00:12:31,601 --> 00:12:37,961 Speaker 2: legit Umm, you're probably maybe talking maybe two hundred k, 277 00:12:38,561 --> 00:12:42,561 Speaker 2: two hundred k in nuts? Yeah, have is that? 278 00:12:43,801 --> 00:12:45,761 Speaker 1: Did you feel it? You've covered that much cash? 279 00:12:45,801 --> 00:12:47,361 Speaker 2: And there I was. I wasn't feeling. I was just 280 00:12:47,361 --> 00:12:48,881 Speaker 2: looking at it saying, funk, I'm going to get away 281 00:12:48,921 --> 00:12:49,121 Speaker 2: with this. 282 00:12:51,241 --> 00:12:53,001 Speaker 3: How can I do a sneaky on? 283 00:12:55,841 --> 00:12:59,441 Speaker 1: And have you ever No, I don't know that's a professionalism. 284 00:12:59,721 --> 00:13:02,601 Speaker 1: Have you you speaking about the amount of a lot 285 00:13:02,641 --> 00:13:03,521 Speaker 1: of drugs you've seen. 286 00:13:03,641 --> 00:13:04,601 Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of drugs. 287 00:13:04,641 --> 00:13:06,681 Speaker 1: Have you ever partagon in drugs? 288 00:13:06,801 --> 00:13:09,721 Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah, I've always been. I'm ashamed to say 289 00:13:09,721 --> 00:13:12,121 Speaker 2: that I've partaken. I've had my fun with drugs. 290 00:13:12,401 --> 00:13:13,841 Speaker 1: Right, had your phone? 291 00:13:14,001 --> 00:13:14,761 Speaker 2: Yeah? Have my phone? 292 00:13:14,881 --> 00:13:15,121 Speaker 1: Yeah? 293 00:13:15,201 --> 00:13:15,441 Speaker 2: Right? 294 00:13:16,201 --> 00:13:18,561 Speaker 1: What about when it came to working out? Did you 295 00:13:18,561 --> 00:13:19,961 Speaker 1: ever get on the gear? Yeah? 296 00:13:20,041 --> 00:13:22,801 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not ashamed to say, yeah, I've abused the gear. 297 00:13:23,081 --> 00:13:26,201 Speaker 2: I've abused the gear more than I abused party drugs. 298 00:13:26,641 --> 00:13:28,561 Speaker 2: You know. I used to abuse it so much that 299 00:13:28,641 --> 00:13:30,241 Speaker 2: you know, I could put five meals in one day, 300 00:13:30,281 --> 00:13:33,641 Speaker 2: and then five and probably maybe four hours later, ten 301 00:13:33,681 --> 00:13:36,561 Speaker 2: meals in one day because I thought I was shrinking, 302 00:13:36,921 --> 00:13:38,841 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, for my shirts were loose 303 00:13:38,881 --> 00:13:40,361 Speaker 2: on me. Then I think I was shrinking. So I 304 00:13:40,481 --> 00:13:42,641 Speaker 2: go to the fucking my mate put front of five 305 00:13:42,681 --> 00:13:46,081 Speaker 2: meals in me. Then I take probably in a carry 306 00:13:47,281 --> 00:13:52,001 Speaker 2: the Dinabol pills, which you know were oral pills. When 307 00:13:52,001 --> 00:13:54,361 Speaker 2: I was on the doors, I probably could carry about 308 00:13:54,361 --> 00:13:56,321 Speaker 2: maybe thirty to forty pills in my pocket and taken 309 00:13:56,321 --> 00:13:59,561 Speaker 2: my night in case I shrunk. It was that bad? 310 00:14:00,241 --> 00:14:02,441 Speaker 1: And what made you like because obviously you don't seem 311 00:14:02,481 --> 00:14:04,241 Speaker 1: to be that bad now. 312 00:14:04,361 --> 00:14:07,361 Speaker 2: No, I've contained it, I think, what more helped me 313 00:14:07,481 --> 00:14:10,321 Speaker 2: was when I started to compete, and then I started 314 00:14:10,361 --> 00:14:13,041 Speaker 2: talking to people you know about the gear and they 315 00:14:13,081 --> 00:14:15,321 Speaker 2: knew it because they were bodybuilders, and how to you know, 316 00:14:15,681 --> 00:14:17,681 Speaker 2: do it properly? But before that, you know, I was 317 00:14:17,761 --> 00:14:19,241 Speaker 2: I was banging it in my chest, banging it in 318 00:14:19,321 --> 00:14:22,081 Speaker 2: my arms everywhere, just to make things grow here. 319 00:14:22,801 --> 00:14:25,361 Speaker 1: What's agerally, feel like you're your ideal size now? No? 320 00:14:25,681 --> 00:14:27,561 Speaker 1: Never fucking way you want to do the girl small? 321 00:14:27,601 --> 00:14:29,081 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel so. I'm small at the moment. 322 00:14:29,121 --> 00:14:30,881 Speaker 2: This is small for me now. 323 00:14:30,921 --> 00:14:32,481 Speaker 1: I know why when I say you're looking a bit thin, 324 00:14:32,521 --> 00:14:38,641 Speaker 1: you get to King's Cross has a pretty notorious reputation, 325 00:14:39,241 --> 00:14:42,001 Speaker 1: especially back in the day. What's your view of the 326 00:14:42,001 --> 00:14:42,561 Speaker 1: Cross now? 327 00:14:42,721 --> 00:14:48,641 Speaker 2: Shit? Absolutely, shit, terrible. Like as I said to people, 328 00:14:48,761 --> 00:14:51,041 Speaker 2: you go on the Cross now, it's not about the 329 00:14:51,041 --> 00:14:52,921 Speaker 2: Coca cola sound, It's about the Wolff sound on the 330 00:14:52,961 --> 00:14:56,841 Speaker 2: left hand side. It's it's all family orientated. Now there's 331 00:14:56,841 --> 00:14:59,601 Speaker 2: people pushing prems. You wouldn't see that, you know. I mean, 332 00:14:59,601 --> 00:15:03,841 Speaker 2: it's terrible. No nightlife anymore. It's all derelict. It doesn't 333 00:15:03,841 --> 00:15:06,841 Speaker 2: matter if you've got a few night clubs still left there. 334 00:15:07,441 --> 00:15:08,761 Speaker 2: The place is gone. To shit. 335 00:15:09,001 --> 00:15:12,961 Speaker 1: It's terrible, and do you think like obviously lockout laws 336 00:15:12,961 --> 00:15:15,441 Speaker 1: were a big, massive part of that, but you were 337 00:15:15,481 --> 00:15:16,841 Speaker 1: kind of there as that era. 338 00:15:17,201 --> 00:15:19,321 Speaker 2: I got out in two thousand and and just on 339 00:15:19,361 --> 00:15:20,721 Speaker 2: twenty forty I got it. 340 00:15:20,681 --> 00:15:23,601 Speaker 1: So you were there when lockolence on the cross was 341 00:15:23,881 --> 00:15:25,881 Speaker 1: mass closing an issuhuge that. 342 00:15:25,921 --> 00:15:27,321 Speaker 2: But I don't think that was should have been the 343 00:15:27,321 --> 00:15:29,161 Speaker 2: main issue for the cross, because there was a violence 344 00:15:29,201 --> 00:15:31,921 Speaker 2: all over Sydney. You know, the George Street ivy had 345 00:15:31,921 --> 00:15:34,561 Speaker 2: the same thing, the same deal, Circular Key had the 346 00:15:34,561 --> 00:15:36,961 Speaker 2: same deal. You go down to Wollongong and they sayd 347 00:15:37,001 --> 00:15:40,681 Speaker 2: the same deal. But the Cross was made as a 348 00:15:40,761 --> 00:15:43,561 Speaker 2: point because of the cross, and they closed it down 349 00:15:43,561 --> 00:15:46,241 Speaker 2: because they always think it's biking instead of starting the tuble. 350 00:15:46,321 --> 00:15:48,721 Speaker 2: It was never bikings, it was it was just okay, 351 00:15:48,721 --> 00:15:51,201 Speaker 2: there was a few instances that shouldn't have happened, but 352 00:15:51,281 --> 00:15:53,281 Speaker 2: the end of the day, instance happened all over Sydney, 353 00:15:53,281 --> 00:15:55,121 Speaker 2: all over for Queensland, you know what I mean. So 354 00:15:55,121 --> 00:15:56,721 Speaker 2: it shouldn't be just one area, but I know it 355 00:15:56,761 --> 00:16:00,201 Speaker 2: was generated everywhere. But that's an iconic place, King's Cross 356 00:16:00,241 --> 00:16:03,281 Speaker 2: where everyone you you come over from overseas and that's 357 00:16:03,281 --> 00:16:04,641 Speaker 2: what you're f this and you want to see King's 358 00:16:04,641 --> 00:16:07,121 Speaker 2: Cross because the coke sign. You know, back in the day, 359 00:16:07,161 --> 00:16:09,161 Speaker 2: they came to see the trainneys, they came to see 360 00:16:09,201 --> 00:16:11,641 Speaker 2: the fucking ship clubs. And now it's just gone. 361 00:16:13,081 --> 00:16:13,641 Speaker 1: Do you miss it? 362 00:16:14,041 --> 00:16:16,321 Speaker 2: Do I miss King Truss? Yeah? Yeah, But I'd never 363 00:16:16,361 --> 00:16:19,081 Speaker 2: go back now because it's not an error to go back. 364 00:16:19,121 --> 00:16:22,081 Speaker 2: It's just it's the young generation of ruined it. 365 00:16:24,241 --> 00:16:25,961 Speaker 1: You say, like other people have ruined it. And it 366 00:16:26,041 --> 00:16:28,281 Speaker 1: wasn't just bikes. And we'll get into the bike stuff 367 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:30,881 Speaker 1: a bit later. Who are the worst people to say 368 00:16:30,921 --> 00:16:34,761 Speaker 1: lined up to come into a club? I think the 369 00:16:34,801 --> 00:16:36,641 Speaker 1: category of people that are kind of coming. 370 00:16:39,321 --> 00:16:49,881 Speaker 3: For Paramata gonn this fuck fucking hell. 371 00:16:50,241 --> 00:16:55,481 Speaker 2: Anyone who wore tns there you go. I mean, that's 372 00:16:55,601 --> 00:16:59,721 Speaker 2: the fucking mullets, the fucking rats tails. Then you know 373 00:16:59,921 --> 00:17:03,121 Speaker 2: you are, you're walking in with for your Paramta, but 374 00:17:03,161 --> 00:17:05,721 Speaker 2: you're not what I mean, fuck you. 375 00:17:05,761 --> 00:17:09,961 Speaker 1: Know they were like I asked me this, then, is 376 00:17:10,001 --> 00:17:12,201 Speaker 1: there someone in the tarns from Paramount in your line? 377 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: Are they worse? What's worse that person that you just 378 00:17:15,961 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: described or seven wines deep blonde woman. 379 00:17:24,961 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: The end? 380 00:17:26,321 --> 00:17:28,521 Speaker 1: Still I would have thought some of the ladies would 381 00:17:28,521 --> 00:17:29,561 Speaker 1: have been really difficult to do with. 382 00:17:29,961 --> 00:17:32,521 Speaker 2: The ladies with the trainees were really the trainees were terrible. 383 00:17:32,961 --> 00:17:35,041 Speaker 2: And some of the trainees that I believe or not, 384 00:17:35,241 --> 00:17:38,721 Speaker 2: would turn up and they've got a driver's license with 385 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: a male on it, but they're fucking dressed as a female. 386 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: How then am I supposed to recognize you? 387 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: Like? 388 00:17:43,561 --> 00:17:45,001 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So when I go, that's 389 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,321 Speaker 2: not you, what do you think do you think they're 390 00:17:47,321 --> 00:17:49,201 Speaker 2: gonna one took the fucking shoe off. 391 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 3: To throw at me, and it was, yeah, you know 392 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: what I mean. 393 00:17:53,281 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: But it's the girls were never that bad. Actually, it's that, 394 00:17:56,681 --> 00:17:58,521 Speaker 2: you know, you get some guys who would be in 395 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,081 Speaker 2: the line and they'd stand there by some fucking hot 396 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,521 Speaker 2: girls and they go, this is my girlfriend And I go, oh, yeah, 397 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: what's this and she go, oh, sure, you know what 398 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: I mean, because that's how they used to get them, 399 00:18:10,241 --> 00:18:12,041 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's it was always the 400 00:18:12,441 --> 00:18:14,961 Speaker 2: ones with the tns couldn't get in, so they get 401 00:18:15,001 --> 00:18:17,321 Speaker 2: the hottest girls to walk in. What's their birthday? It's 402 00:18:17,321 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: a birthday party? Can we come in? Oh what's your 403 00:18:19,921 --> 00:18:22,561 Speaker 2: date of birth? Or what's this or what's your girlfriend's name? 404 00:18:22,721 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 2: Or whose birthday is it? 405 00:18:23,801 --> 00:18:23,961 Speaker 1: Oh? 406 00:18:24,441 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: Whose birthday is it? You know what I mean? 407 00:18:25,761 --> 00:18:28,281 Speaker 1: It's but why wouldn't you just let people in the like? 408 00:18:28,521 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: Because I've done that. We've all done that way with 409 00:18:30,281 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: the girls. 410 00:18:31,481 --> 00:18:34,721 Speaker 2: Back back then, there was a certain crowd that was 411 00:18:35,441 --> 00:18:37,481 Speaker 2: that had to come into that club, and then it 412 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: deteriorated over the over the years. But the thing is, 413 00:18:40,521 --> 00:18:44,761 Speaker 2: I was told, don't let this this kind of criteria 414 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,521 Speaker 2: into the club, and it was always the same ones. 415 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 2: You know, I've cut people's hair on the door to 416 00:18:49,481 --> 00:18:51,321 Speaker 2: let them in. I used to have scissors on the 417 00:18:51,441 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 2: door to cut people's hair, and I used to collect 418 00:18:54,201 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: them in the in the meter box. You know what 419 00:18:56,241 --> 00:18:56,521 Speaker 2: I mean. 420 00:18:57,001 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: I used to make a serial killer. 421 00:18:58,521 --> 00:19:00,001 Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to cut them off. They've been kept, 422 00:19:00,001 --> 00:19:02,041 Speaker 2: they've been grown their hair for fifteen twenty eight years, 423 00:19:02,041 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: and I cut it off just so that you get 424 00:19:03,241 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 2: in the club. 425 00:19:06,201 --> 00:19:07,201 Speaker 1: You still got some of that hare. 426 00:19:07,721 --> 00:19:09,721 Speaker 2: I actually went to DC's not longer for a re union. 427 00:19:09,761 --> 00:19:12,441 Speaker 2: I've seen that. I opened up the box to sieve 428 00:19:12,441 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 2: there's any hair left in there. 429 00:19:14,801 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: None left? Well, you were you worked for John in 430 00:19:17,201 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: some of his big clubs. Ye, have you ever been 431 00:19:21,201 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: shot at? 432 00:19:22,961 --> 00:19:30,721 Speaker 2: Yep, what happened? They missed? Obviously pretty shit shot. 433 00:19:30,761 --> 00:19:31,521 Speaker 1: You're a big target. 434 00:19:32,241 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, d CMS was the first one. They've done a 435 00:19:34,681 --> 00:19:37,161 Speaker 2: drive by d CMS, the first that the week before. 436 00:19:37,201 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: Actually they've done the proper run. They've done a practice 437 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 2: run in the car. They sat in it and we 438 00:19:42,441 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: all just thought they were messing around, like they came past, 439 00:19:44,681 --> 00:19:46,761 Speaker 2: made a noise, but maybe five of them, six of 440 00:19:46,761 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: them in the car, and they put their fingers outside 441 00:19:48,921 --> 00:19:51,761 Speaker 2: the windows like a pointed like a gun and laughed 442 00:19:51,801 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: and sped off. And then the next week it was 443 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 2: for real. But it was by chance that you know, 444 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 2: God knows why I touch toward why I did it. 445 00:19:58,761 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: But ten minutes before the shooting happened, I moved the 446 00:20:01,481 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: ballyards closest to the door, and I usually stand right 447 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:08,801 Speaker 2: by where the bullets hit where there's a there's a 448 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: hair dressers next to d c MS the main door, 449 00:20:11,521 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: and I moved them to buy outside the main entrance, 450 00:20:14,561 --> 00:20:16,481 Speaker 2: and all the bullets hit where I usually stand. 451 00:20:17,481 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: Wow, but they weren't like they weren't coming for you. 452 00:20:21,441 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was a hit on me. That 453 00:20:23,761 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 2: was a hit for me because because because I was 454 00:20:27,201 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 2: one of the main boys for John, so it was 455 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: come to take me out. 456 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,961 Speaker 1: Wow, but here was a hit. Did that make you 457 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:35,241 Speaker 1: consider quitting? 458 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,801 Speaker 2: Now? My whole life in you're in a bubble for that. 459 00:20:38,921 --> 00:20:43,321 Speaker 2: For that, there's no scared about being scared or in 460 00:20:43,441 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 2: situations you back off. You you were always I wanted 461 00:20:46,441 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: to be first. 462 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,801 Speaker 1: There is that them? You said that was the first one? 463 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: How many times does this. 464 00:20:56,041 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: One? I've had a gun pointed to my head that 465 00:20:58,561 --> 00:21:01,161 Speaker 2: was a King's cross when he went to go into 466 00:21:01,721 --> 00:21:04,281 Speaker 2: dream Girls, and then I had butted them twice and 467 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:06,401 Speaker 2: he dropped the gun. And then there was a drive 468 00:21:06,481 --> 00:21:08,481 Speaker 2: by my unit in Neutral Bay. 469 00:21:09,521 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: What are you thinking when a gun is pointed at 470 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:12,721 Speaker 1: your head? 471 00:21:13,001 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: To get the gun out of it as soon as possible, 472 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:17,321 Speaker 2: Because I thought he was gonna shoot youjun So when 473 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:19,041 Speaker 2: I was when he when he made the run for 474 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,321 Speaker 2: the door, he was doing it for a couple of minutes, 475 00:21:21,561 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: walking past past me all the time, and I thought, Fuck, 476 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: what's up this guy? And then all of a sudden 477 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 2: I watched him again, and he unzipped his jacket and 478 00:21:28,321 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 2: went for inside it and put his hand inside and 479 00:21:30,201 --> 00:21:31,481 Speaker 2: went well, and then all of a sudden, he just 480 00:21:31,561 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: pulled it ran to the door, and I ran with him. 481 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,521 Speaker 2: And then as we're on the stairs, as if you know, 482 00:21:35,561 --> 00:21:37,481 Speaker 2: if you go down the stairs, that's where dream Girls is, 483 00:21:37,521 --> 00:21:39,601 Speaker 2: you're on stairs, he put the gun to my head 484 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,521 Speaker 2: and he had it on my on my my probably 485 00:21:41,561 --> 00:21:43,561 Speaker 2: on my temple. And then I just kept head buttoning 486 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:44,921 Speaker 2: until he dropped it, and then I threw him down 487 00:21:44,921 --> 00:21:45,241 Speaker 2: the stairs. 488 00:21:46,041 --> 00:21:49,281 Speaker 1: So did you in that moment when you decided to 489 00:21:49,441 --> 00:21:51,961 Speaker 1: like fight back, because most people would freeze and be 490 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:52,881 Speaker 1: like whoa, whoa, WHOA? 491 00:21:53,681 --> 00:21:54,321 Speaker 2: I know, I did. 492 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:55,561 Speaker 1: You just know he wasn't going to die. 493 00:21:55,521 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: And I knew. I knew I had him in a 494 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: good position and he wasn't as built as me, so 495 00:21:58,761 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 2: I knew I had, you know, over him to do it. 496 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,321 Speaker 1: Has there ever been a moment that you were scared? 497 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:06,401 Speaker 1: Then you're talking like you weren't really scared. 498 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,241 Speaker 2: Because you're in the moment, And the fact is, you 499 00:22:08,321 --> 00:22:11,721 Speaker 2: know you're in this bubble where the power that you have, 500 00:22:12,241 --> 00:22:15,161 Speaker 2: you're not scared. It's only when you know what it's 501 00:22:15,201 --> 00:22:17,761 Speaker 2: only when you I walked away and then I see 502 00:22:17,801 --> 00:22:20,521 Speaker 2: the situations that I was in, Then you really know 503 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,201 Speaker 2: what you've been in and you've done, then you think 504 00:22:23,281 --> 00:22:25,761 Speaker 2: fuck even though it's gone, then you think fuck that 505 00:22:25,921 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 2: was scary. 506 00:22:26,921 --> 00:22:30,601 Speaker 1: Like you've got kids. If either of your or any 507 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,601 Speaker 1: of your kids were like I'm going to get into 508 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,241 Speaker 1: the game. 509 00:22:34,481 --> 00:22:37,401 Speaker 2: Not a chance, right, no chance, no chance, I'd fucking 510 00:22:37,441 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: slap them. 511 00:22:38,961 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: So you're like, it's not a way to live. 512 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,001 Speaker 2: Nah, no fucking way, no way, no way. As I said, 513 00:22:43,041 --> 00:22:45,001 Speaker 2: I got in by chance. It wasn't that I wanted 514 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,801 Speaker 2: to be what I ended up being. It was by chance, 515 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,961 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, when I got my 516 00:22:50,041 --> 00:22:52,961 Speaker 2: security license and I started straight away, you know, I 517 00:22:53,041 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 2: was virtually one of the the main dormant on Home nightclub, 518 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,281 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, for your first job. That 519 00:22:58,481 --> 00:23:00,161 Speaker 2: was a fucking big thing for me. And then within 520 00:23:00,561 --> 00:23:02,961 Speaker 2: what maybe six weeks, I was given the role to 521 00:23:03,001 --> 00:23:06,241 Speaker 2: be undercover for the drug run in the Home Light club, 522 00:23:06,801 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. The power that I got 523 00:23:09,321 --> 00:23:11,801 Speaker 2: in the early days. And then from there I moved 524 00:23:12,441 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: to Soho and I was head dorming there and working 525 00:23:15,441 --> 00:23:17,881 Speaker 2: for the owner. It was just massive. So every time 526 00:23:17,921 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: I went to a venue, I was given, you know, 527 00:23:20,921 --> 00:23:24,681 Speaker 2: a massive role. So it just led to bigger things, 528 00:23:24,721 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: and then you see what's going on in the end, 529 00:23:26,761 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 2: and then you think, I want that, I want that. 530 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,001 Speaker 2: And I remember when I worked for John I. He 531 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:34,161 Speaker 2: was this fucking big guy and it was Tongue and Sam, 532 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,041 Speaker 2: I want his job. 533 00:23:35,801 --> 00:23:38,281 Speaker 1: And you told Tongue and Sam, Yeah, And what was 534 00:23:38,321 --> 00:23:38,761 Speaker 1: his reaction? 535 00:23:39,201 --> 00:23:42,561 Speaker 2: Laughed at me. He laughed at me, laughed at me 536 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 2: and put his big hands on my shoulder and pattered 537 00:23:44,481 --> 00:23:45,161 Speaker 2: me and then walked off. 538 00:23:46,761 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: And now then I give it. 539 00:23:48,201 --> 00:23:49,201 Speaker 2: Still, I'm going to get your job. 540 00:23:53,761 --> 00:23:56,041 Speaker 1: You say that you wouldn't let your kids do it, 541 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:59,281 Speaker 1: but you still kind of delve back into that world. 542 00:23:59,801 --> 00:24:02,521 Speaker 1: So the regret mustn't be that strong. 543 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't go back into it as the 544 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: as I used to im A m I, you know, 545 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,841 Speaker 2: hang around or I do a few things. But I've 546 00:24:09,961 --> 00:24:13,001 Speaker 2: learned my lesson from when I was Australia's most wanted 547 00:24:13,241 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I was used and abused 548 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 2: for that situation, and I told myself I'd never go 549 00:24:18,241 --> 00:24:20,321 Speaker 2: down that path again. And when i've when I left John, 550 00:24:21,041 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: I realized I was just a number in the end. 551 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't as close as you think you are. 552 00:24:25,521 --> 00:24:28,961 Speaker 2: To people that you know you are and you be 553 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: just you leave and you say, well, look where are 554 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:32,801 Speaker 2: they now when you need them? Or they didn't. No, 555 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,521 Speaker 2: you're just a number that you've been replaced. 556 00:24:35,201 --> 00:24:37,961 Speaker 1: Speaking of John, do you know what he thinks of 557 00:24:38,001 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: you doing this podcast? You've been doing it for a 558 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:40,721 Speaker 1: few years. 559 00:24:41,801 --> 00:24:43,241 Speaker 2: If he didn't like it, I would he would have 560 00:24:43,241 --> 00:24:44,001 Speaker 2: reached out and told. 561 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,721 Speaker 1: Me, hey, is that the kind of level of Nah? 562 00:24:47,481 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: Listen, John? Wouldn't John. John's John, his own thing. He 563 00:24:50,681 --> 00:24:53,201 Speaker 2: gets on with his own stuff. I don't even think 564 00:24:53,241 --> 00:24:55,321 Speaker 2: he would, you know, pat me on the back. If 565 00:24:55,521 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 2: if this became a fucking, you know, massive in America, 566 00:24:58,321 --> 00:25:00,161 Speaker 2: if the fucking it became the best podcast on Wild, 567 00:25:00,241 --> 00:25:02,201 Speaker 2: I still probably wouldn't get a phone call saying well done, 568 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: that's John. 569 00:25:04,481 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: Have you watched The Last King of the Cross? 570 00:25:06,481 --> 00:25:08,441 Speaker 2: Yes, what's the Last King? I knew this was coming, 571 00:25:08,761 --> 00:25:11,761 Speaker 2: I've watched it. Yeah, what do you think? 572 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: To be honest, be truthful to your podcast, To be honest, I. 573 00:25:15,681 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: Don't like it. Why so, it's it's not how I 574 00:25:20,281 --> 00:25:23,121 Speaker 2: I've seen the Cross. To me, it's like watching John Wick. 575 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: It's not It's not Least of the King's Cross. It's 576 00:25:25,961 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: nothing about King's Cross. There's too much fucking I don't know, 577 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,721 Speaker 2: like John's John. But I've never seen anyone get thrown 578 00:25:33,721 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 2: off a fucking cliff yet. But you know, I don't know. 579 00:25:36,321 --> 00:25:38,041 Speaker 2: There's just too much fantasy in it. And I get you, 580 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,241 Speaker 2: one of you want to sell a show overseas and 581 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: make it hype it up a lot. But to me, 582 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,041 Speaker 2: I'd rather see the story that everyone wants to see about. 583 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,961 Speaker 2: You know, your life and what happened. I know you 584 00:25:49,041 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 2: can't tell too much about it because of you know, 585 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,681 Speaker 2: circumstances and noting like that, But I want to see 586 00:25:53,721 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: it real, you know what I mean? The characters, You 587 00:25:55,481 --> 00:25:57,441 Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I'm lost. 588 00:25:58,241 --> 00:26:03,521 Speaker 1: And you've been around a lot of crazy moments. You 589 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,001 Speaker 1: know you've seen in there are actually confrontations between gang 590 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: members and whatnot. Have you ever been involved in an 591 00:26:12,241 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: altercation where you caused a lot of hardness on it? 592 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:16,321 Speaker 2: Oh? 593 00:26:16,441 --> 00:26:16,641 Speaker 1: Yeah? 594 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 2: Oh should you? 595 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: What did you do? 596 00:26:18,561 --> 00:26:20,321 Speaker 2: I won't. I won't deny that because the end of 597 00:26:20,321 --> 00:26:22,161 Speaker 2: the day, if I don't, it's ever I get killed 598 00:26:22,241 --> 00:26:26,321 Speaker 2: or for the hospital. So back then, yeah, if there's 599 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: been a lot like I couldn't even tell you this. 600 00:26:29,041 --> 00:26:31,241 Speaker 2: There's been so many you know what I mean. I've 601 00:26:31,321 --> 00:26:36,281 Speaker 2: been in Manly King's Cross, Oxford Street and if a 602 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: fight broke out between rivals or someone was in the 603 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,401 Speaker 2: wrong area at the wrong time and it just goes 604 00:26:41,441 --> 00:26:43,321 Speaker 2: toe for toe, you just got to do it. You 605 00:26:43,441 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: can't back out. And if you back out, then you're 606 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: made to look stupid. And you know, if if you 607 00:26:48,481 --> 00:26:50,321 Speaker 2: if you think something's going to happen, you've got to 608 00:26:50,321 --> 00:26:53,761 Speaker 2: fight to see you you gotta win like you can't. Yeah, man, like, 609 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,281 Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of ship like that. 610 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: What's the worst fight you've been in? 611 00:26:57,961 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: The worst fight in what way? Like? What are you 612 00:26:59,921 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: talking like? Well? Like winning fighting? How bad it's got too? 613 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: What? Okay, well let's start with this. What have you 614 00:27:05,681 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: ever been beating up? 615 00:27:06,681 --> 00:27:10,761 Speaker 2: No? No, not touch would have never been beaten up. Okay, 616 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 2: And don't fucking everyone start fucking. It's not happening. 617 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: It's not happening. What's the worst thing you've done to someone. 618 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,281 Speaker 2: In a fight? But you know what I'll give, I'll give. 619 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 2: I will give myself a rappier I've never used a 620 00:27:27,681 --> 00:27:31,041 Speaker 2: weapon in a fight, and all I've used is my fists. 621 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,521 Speaker 2: I've never kicked anyone in a fight. I don't believe 622 00:27:33,561 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: in that because I was a boxer, you know what 623 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,041 Speaker 2: I mean, in my younger days. So I've never believed 624 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 2: in kicking anyone while they're down, or trying to kick 625 00:27:38,961 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: them to get them down. I've always I've always punched, 626 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,001 Speaker 2: that's it punched, and then ended up slapping because I 627 00:27:44,001 --> 00:27:47,721 Speaker 2: was leaving too many marks. But I will say the 628 00:27:48,801 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 2: craziest I wouldn't say it's a fight because it didn't 629 00:27:52,481 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: end up in a fight, because I knocked him out 630 00:27:53,961 --> 00:27:57,921 Speaker 2: with one punch. But the craziest hits I've ever done 631 00:27:57,961 --> 00:28:01,961 Speaker 2: on someone was it was an islander bloke in King's 632 00:28:02,001 --> 00:28:04,761 Speaker 2: Cross and he was coming around terrorizing a lot of venues. 633 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,401 Speaker 2: And I remember he put it. He he sexually tried 634 00:28:10,481 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: to touch one of the bar maids up and steal 635 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: a handbag and money from the bar. So I waited 636 00:28:16,201 --> 00:28:18,481 Speaker 2: for him to come past on this Saturday night, and 637 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,761 Speaker 2: when he did, I pulled him aside on the front 638 00:28:21,801 --> 00:28:24,961 Speaker 2: door and I told him I'm going to fucking knock you, 639 00:28:25,201 --> 00:28:27,041 Speaker 2: and he goes fucking try it, and I lined him 640 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: up and I knocked him one punch and I had 641 00:28:29,481 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 2: no word of a lie. That punch. I remember today. 642 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,321 Speaker 2: It was the last time I fucking ever hit someone 643 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 2: with a fist and his nose both all of his 644 00:28:38,001 --> 00:28:41,201 Speaker 2: nose went through both cheeks, so I'm talking, his nose 645 00:28:41,361 --> 00:28:43,881 Speaker 2: was here, the other part of his nose was there. 646 00:28:44,201 --> 00:28:46,681 Speaker 2: He had nothing there, nothing, And I felt I felt 647 00:28:46,721 --> 00:28:48,641 Speaker 2: that bad that I put him into a taxi and 648 00:28:48,721 --> 00:28:50,561 Speaker 2: told the taxi driver to go to the King's Ross 649 00:28:50,561 --> 00:28:53,241 Speaker 2: Hotel as the hospital. 650 00:28:53,281 --> 00:28:54,361 Speaker 1: I was going to say, sending him to. 651 00:28:56,081 --> 00:28:58,361 Speaker 2: The hospital. I sent him to the hospital, and that 652 00:28:58,481 --> 00:29:00,281 Speaker 2: was the last time I ever punched anybody. 653 00:29:00,641 --> 00:29:00,881 Speaker 1: Really. 654 00:29:01,001 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: I slapped him after that because I was I couldn't 655 00:29:03,761 --> 00:29:07,561 Speaker 2: believe how much I'd fucking destroyed this guy's face, but 656 00:29:07,921 --> 00:29:10,801 Speaker 2: I wanted to because he was fucking at the time 657 00:29:10,881 --> 00:29:12,721 Speaker 2: the girl who he fucking tried to touch, I was, 658 00:29:12,801 --> 00:29:13,601 Speaker 2: I was dating. 659 00:29:13,801 --> 00:29:17,921 Speaker 1: Right, Is that the worst thing you've done? Someone Viva 660 00:29:18,001 --> 00:29:18,681 Speaker 1: killed someone. 661 00:29:22,721 --> 00:29:28,361 Speaker 2: Someone has died after me knocking them out. But then 662 00:29:28,401 --> 00:29:31,841 Speaker 2: I was told by the the police that it wasn't 663 00:29:32,561 --> 00:29:34,721 Speaker 2: It wasn't me that inflicted it. It was because he 664 00:29:34,841 --> 00:29:38,761 Speaker 2: was high on and on heroin. That must have been 665 00:29:38,801 --> 00:29:42,401 Speaker 2: a heavy It was heavy because at that time I 666 00:29:42,481 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: wasn't a dormant at the time. Well I was was 667 00:29:44,481 --> 00:29:47,081 Speaker 2: just starting off, but I was. I was working as 668 00:29:47,121 --> 00:29:51,201 Speaker 2: a security guard in Westfield and he kept stealing all 669 00:29:51,281 --> 00:29:56,481 Speaker 2: these dicing vacuums from David Jones, and then I caught 670 00:29:56,561 --> 00:29:59,841 Speaker 2: him with his two mates. He was carrying an empty 671 00:29:59,921 --> 00:30:03,801 Speaker 2: shyringe and the other one was full of blood. So 672 00:30:04,361 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: that's why I did what I did, because he was 673 00:30:06,441 --> 00:30:08,881 Speaker 2: trying to stab me with them and then I launched 674 00:30:08,961 --> 00:30:12,761 Speaker 2: him and fucking apparently passed away that but they said 675 00:30:12,761 --> 00:30:13,281 Speaker 2: he was high on. 676 00:30:16,041 --> 00:30:20,281 Speaker 1: You've had a lot of sex workers on the podcast 677 00:30:20,441 --> 00:30:23,241 Speaker 1: these past couple of seasons. Some people have loved it, 678 00:30:23,521 --> 00:30:24,481 Speaker 1: some people have hated it. 679 00:30:24,721 --> 00:30:24,921 Speaker 2: Yep. 680 00:30:26,281 --> 00:30:29,281 Speaker 1: What's the craziest sexual thing that you have done? 681 00:30:31,641 --> 00:30:33,641 Speaker 2: The most sexual craziest thing I've done. 682 00:30:33,721 --> 00:30:35,841 Speaker 1: This is a great question because anyone who listens to 683 00:30:35,881 --> 00:30:39,641 Speaker 1: the podcast would know how shocked you always are at 684 00:30:40,201 --> 00:30:42,521 Speaker 1: you know, the crazy things people get up to. Do 685 00:30:42,561 --> 00:30:43,881 Speaker 1: you want me to run through a list. 686 00:30:45,241 --> 00:30:47,601 Speaker 2: But I do know there's a topics because something I 687 00:30:47,641 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 2: haven't told you. 688 00:30:49,081 --> 00:30:50,841 Speaker 1: These are topics covered by some of the people that 689 00:30:50,921 --> 00:30:52,841 Speaker 1: have been on your podcast. You know the Karli electrics. 690 00:30:53,161 --> 00:30:54,361 Speaker 1: I know Leilani's and whatnot. 691 00:30:54,441 --> 00:30:55,881 Speaker 2: That's why I bring them on because I've never fucking 692 00:30:55,961 --> 00:30:56,401 Speaker 2: edited this ship. 693 00:30:56,481 --> 00:30:59,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, because to be honest, like for me, like editing 694 00:30:59,481 --> 00:31:01,481 Speaker 1: the podcast and hearing you have these chats with these people. 695 00:31:01,921 --> 00:31:03,641 Speaker 1: I don't want to be rude, Neil, but you kind 696 00:31:03,681 --> 00:31:06,561 Speaker 1: of sound like a bit of a prude, not very 697 00:31:06,601 --> 00:31:07,161 Speaker 1: adventurous in. 698 00:31:07,161 --> 00:31:12,561 Speaker 2: The I don't really know what to say to this 699 00:31:12,641 --> 00:31:13,801 Speaker 2: one because I'm a bit lost. 700 00:31:13,881 --> 00:31:16,241 Speaker 1: He's just got a big missionary only vibe about you. 701 00:31:20,281 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: Couldn't really answer that one, sorry. 702 00:31:22,321 --> 00:31:23,801 Speaker 1: Just participated in the VIP room. 703 00:31:24,961 --> 00:31:25,561 Speaker 2: Didn't even do that. 704 00:31:27,121 --> 00:31:29,281 Speaker 1: Who is the worst person you've had to look after? 705 00:31:31,241 --> 00:31:35,481 Speaker 2: The worst person? I'd say the worst person was probably 706 00:31:37,121 --> 00:31:40,921 Speaker 2: Brian McFadden. I didn't never like them. I didn't like him. 707 00:31:41,001 --> 00:31:44,001 Speaker 2: He was he was a tosser and I'll gladly say that. 708 00:31:44,201 --> 00:31:46,081 Speaker 2: You know, he thought he was somebody and he wasn't. 709 00:31:46,201 --> 00:31:48,081 Speaker 2: Didn't like the way he was dating Delta. She was 710 00:31:48,081 --> 00:31:50,401 Speaker 2: too good for him, So that was another fucking reason. 711 00:31:50,961 --> 00:31:55,441 Speaker 2: And he's an Irish count, so that's it, simple as. 712 00:31:55,361 --> 00:31:56,241 Speaker 1: That, simple as that. 713 00:31:56,441 --> 00:31:59,401 Speaker 2: Never liked what was it boyson? He was boson. I 714 00:31:59,441 --> 00:31:59,761 Speaker 2: didn't like. 715 00:32:01,361 --> 00:32:02,641 Speaker 1: I only know him was dating Delta. 716 00:32:02,761 --> 00:32:04,681 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I didn't like that either, so fucking you 717 00:32:04,721 --> 00:32:07,241 Speaker 2: looked Delta. Yeah when she used to come across yet 718 00:32:07,641 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: and was that during the Yeah, she never came back 719 00:32:10,521 --> 00:32:11,801 Speaker 2: up that because I told her, why the fuck would 720 00:32:11,801 --> 00:32:13,681 Speaker 2: you come here? Like? I remember that time when she 721 00:32:13,761 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 2: told me to walk into a car when she had 722 00:32:16,201 --> 00:32:18,961 Speaker 2: a big argument with Brian and she was just saying, 723 00:32:19,041 --> 00:32:20,561 Speaker 2: I hate the King's Cross And I said to her, 724 00:32:20,561 --> 00:32:22,521 Speaker 2: I remember saying, walking down there William Street with her, 725 00:32:22,521 --> 00:32:24,081 Speaker 2: I said, I don't even know why you come mere, 726 00:32:24,121 --> 00:32:26,361 Speaker 2: It's terrible, it's not like you. And then she just 727 00:32:26,481 --> 00:32:28,681 Speaker 2: like she laughed like that, and it was the last 728 00:32:28,681 --> 00:32:30,161 Speaker 2: time I spoke to her. She never came back up there. 729 00:32:31,201 --> 00:32:33,001 Speaker 1: Right, Do you still tay in touch with some of 730 00:32:33,041 --> 00:32:36,241 Speaker 1: the celebrities that you've worked for? Are some? Not? 731 00:32:36,441 --> 00:32:37,561 Speaker 2: Most? Not most? 732 00:32:38,281 --> 00:32:39,961 Speaker 1: It's just a burn and turned to the last hole. 733 00:32:40,961 --> 00:32:42,641 Speaker 2: Depends who they are, you know. If I if I 734 00:32:42,761 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 2: if we hit it off good, then I do. If 735 00:32:44,401 --> 00:32:45,481 Speaker 2: if we don't, then see her later. 736 00:32:46,281 --> 00:32:51,521 Speaker 1: How did working for Underworld Figures shape your perspective on loyalty, 737 00:32:51,881 --> 00:32:52,881 Speaker 1: trot and trust? 738 00:32:53,121 --> 00:32:57,321 Speaker 2: Is there is no loyalty, there is no trust. Definitely not. 739 00:32:57,401 --> 00:32:59,801 Speaker 2: I've seen that. Now. At the start, you think there is, 740 00:32:59,961 --> 00:33:01,841 Speaker 2: because they're all patent on your back because they need you, 741 00:33:02,121 --> 00:33:03,761 Speaker 2: they want you to be with them, They want to 742 00:33:03,801 --> 00:33:06,521 Speaker 2: say that they have you and in their circle. But 743 00:33:06,641 --> 00:33:09,081 Speaker 2: then once they're done with you and they spit you out. 744 00:33:10,161 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: You know what I mean that if you're ever in trouble, 745 00:33:12,721 --> 00:33:14,721 Speaker 2: are they there for you? But we're you make sure 746 00:33:14,721 --> 00:33:16,721 Speaker 2: you're there for them. So, as I said, I was 747 00:33:16,801 --> 00:33:17,281 Speaker 2: just a number. 748 00:33:17,961 --> 00:33:21,561 Speaker 1: Were there any moments in your job as a bodyguard 749 00:33:21,801 --> 00:33:26,761 Speaker 1: or dorman where you cross the realm from uh working 750 00:33:26,841 --> 00:33:28,241 Speaker 1: a door into organized crime? 751 00:33:30,121 --> 00:33:33,481 Speaker 2: I might open a couple of times. Yeah, but that's 752 00:33:33,641 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: because of the fact of who was in our circle 753 00:33:36,561 --> 00:33:39,201 Speaker 2: and I had to to protect the venue. 754 00:33:40,681 --> 00:33:43,401 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into any more of it. Okay, 755 00:33:43,721 --> 00:33:49,161 Speaker 1: fair enough, the room just got a colder. What do 756 00:33:49,201 --> 00:33:52,721 Speaker 1: you reckon is the biggest, if any misconception of the 757 00:33:53,281 --> 00:33:55,601 Speaker 1: nightlife and working the doors and stuff in the old 758 00:33:55,721 --> 00:33:56,601 Speaker 1: King's Cross days. 759 00:33:57,121 --> 00:33:59,281 Speaker 2: You know, people used to come to Cross to see 760 00:33:59,401 --> 00:34:02,881 Speaker 2: people like John Abraham, to see the bikers, to see 761 00:34:02,961 --> 00:34:05,761 Speaker 2: the gangsters. But you know what, you could never see them. 762 00:34:05,801 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 2: And I still get them people messaging me now saying 763 00:34:08,201 --> 00:34:09,641 Speaker 2: when I was in the Cross, I could never see 764 00:34:09,681 --> 00:34:12,881 Speaker 2: all these people because we know what we mingled. We 765 00:34:13,001 --> 00:34:16,001 Speaker 2: were sitting far corners watching from afar, you know what 766 00:34:16,001 --> 00:34:19,281 Speaker 2: I mean. We didn't want to stand out, so we 767 00:34:19,441 --> 00:34:22,081 Speaker 2: were there, but we didn't make noise unless we had 768 00:34:22,161 --> 00:34:22,721 Speaker 2: to make noise. 769 00:34:23,681 --> 00:34:26,921 Speaker 1: Who's the most surprising person you've seen come into the club? 770 00:34:27,281 --> 00:34:29,641 Speaker 1: You've got celebrities, that kind of makes sense, but was 771 00:34:29,681 --> 00:34:31,001 Speaker 1: there anyone who saw coming to the club. 772 00:34:31,041 --> 00:34:35,881 Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, yeah, Carl Sandlance. 773 00:34:36,841 --> 00:34:38,521 Speaker 1: That doesn't seem like a surprise. I feel like he 774 00:34:38,521 --> 00:34:40,201 Speaker 1: would have been a bit of a club guy that's 775 00:34:40,361 --> 00:34:41,161 Speaker 1: good mates with John. 776 00:34:41,401 --> 00:34:43,001 Speaker 2: Yeah, but why was he good mates? It was like 777 00:34:43,041 --> 00:34:44,481 Speaker 2: when he started coming, like what the fuck are you 778 00:34:44,481 --> 00:34:46,401 Speaker 2: doing here? Like that was a big surprise to me. 779 00:34:46,481 --> 00:34:50,241 Speaker 2: That one that was a surprise because it even though 780 00:34:50,321 --> 00:34:54,001 Speaker 2: he tried to fit in, he didn't fit in. Mmm, 781 00:34:54,281 --> 00:34:55,841 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And it was just the 782 00:34:55,961 --> 00:34:58,801 Speaker 2: person you see on the radio was not the person 783 00:34:58,881 --> 00:35:01,321 Speaker 2: you've seen in the clubs and King's Cross. It was 784 00:35:01,401 --> 00:35:03,921 Speaker 2: a totally different person. He was trying to be someone 785 00:35:03,921 --> 00:35:06,841 Speaker 2: who was not. He was trying to be a gangster. Really, 786 00:35:07,321 --> 00:35:08,601 Speaker 2: he would love to be a game. He'd love to 787 00:35:08,641 --> 00:35:10,561 Speaker 2: be John A. Brown, He'd love to be. 788 00:35:11,441 --> 00:35:16,681 Speaker 1: And what's next for Neil? Obviously the podcast is going well, 789 00:35:17,361 --> 00:35:20,921 Speaker 1: but what's on the horizon? What projects do you want 790 00:35:21,001 --> 00:35:21,121 Speaker 1: to do. 791 00:35:23,081 --> 00:35:25,801 Speaker 2: Well? I've got the sports podcast coming out. I wanted 792 00:35:25,881 --> 00:35:31,801 Speaker 2: a TV show that's my main thing. Maybe a documentary 793 00:35:31,881 --> 00:35:37,401 Speaker 2: myself on my life, or maybe just a TV show 794 00:35:38,041 --> 00:35:40,481 Speaker 2: down the line, doing something else towards I don't know. 795 00:35:40,601 --> 00:35:41,921 Speaker 2: I'd love I'd love a radio show. 796 00:35:42,921 --> 00:35:46,561 Speaker 1: Radio is dead, mate's ap podcasts you get more on 797 00:35:46,601 --> 00:35:48,521 Speaker 1: Amazons and podcast and a lot of fucking radio show 798 00:35:48,801 --> 00:35:49,121 Speaker 1: that much. 799 00:35:49,641 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 2: Plus I've got a book. 800 00:35:51,281 --> 00:35:53,121 Speaker 1: This could be a sense of a question. Oh my god, 801 00:35:54,241 --> 00:35:57,361 Speaker 1: but do you want to Neil? Do you want to 802 00:35:57,401 --> 00:35:57,921 Speaker 1: be famous? 803 00:35:59,481 --> 00:36:07,361 Speaker 2: I am famous? Answer your question? Google me. 804 00:36:10,601 --> 00:36:14,801 Speaker 1: I can google plenty of faithful. Do you think you're frivs? 805 00:36:15,361 --> 00:36:16,241 Speaker 2: I'm thinking well known. 806 00:36:17,001 --> 00:36:18,081 Speaker 1: Why do you do the podcast? 807 00:36:18,961 --> 00:36:20,961 Speaker 2: Well? Because I love it. I've always I did it 808 00:36:21,041 --> 00:36:23,161 Speaker 2: because I wanted to get my story out at the start, 809 00:36:23,201 --> 00:36:25,761 Speaker 2: because I didn't never think the book reached its potential 810 00:36:25,841 --> 00:36:28,121 Speaker 2: to do that. So when I started doing it was 811 00:36:28,121 --> 00:36:30,681 Speaker 2: about the Cross and me and what I seen and 812 00:36:30,761 --> 00:36:33,921 Speaker 2: what I did. Then it eventuated to like other people 813 00:36:34,041 --> 00:36:36,001 Speaker 2: in who were in my era, and that what the 814 00:36:36,121 --> 00:36:39,641 Speaker 2: biggest thing that hit me doing a podcast was and 815 00:36:39,761 --> 00:36:43,201 Speaker 2: it helped me a lot. Was doing the James English podcast. 816 00:36:43,561 --> 00:36:46,281 Speaker 2: That opened a lot of doors for me in different 817 00:36:46,801 --> 00:36:50,401 Speaker 2: different ways on how to operate a podcast with guests 818 00:36:50,881 --> 00:36:53,761 Speaker 2: and then on what paths to go down. That really 819 00:36:54,001 --> 00:36:55,201 Speaker 2: opened the doors for me. 820 00:36:55,881 --> 00:36:56,721 Speaker 1: Well, that wasn't too that. 821 00:36:57,841 --> 00:36:59,041 Speaker 2: I thought, you're going to show me more than what 822 00:36:59,121 --> 00:36:59,361 Speaker 2: you did.