1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Gooday, thank you for joining us today on this body 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: in Soul podcast called Healthy Ish. I am Felicity Halle. 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: I have some bad news. Chances are you're probably wearing 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: an ill fitting sports bras, so we can't find any 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: concrete evidence or research, but there are a lot of 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: figures being thrown around out there, figures like eighty percent 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: of us, ninety percent of us. Today we're joined by 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Nike's Women's Research director, doctor Bridget Munro to get the facts, 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: to discuss the science behind sports bras and how to 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: get the right fit. If you want more from Bridget, 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: listen to our sister podcast Extra Healthy Ish, where we 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: take a deeper dive into this subject and talk also 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: about the gender bias in active where you can grab 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: that chat wherever you get your podcasts. Bridget, Welcome to 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Healthy Ish. Nice to have you on the podcasts from 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: the USA. 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: Thanks for Lystie. It's great to be here and nice 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: to meet you. 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking forward to chatting to this about this. 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: I feel like so many of us have questions about 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: wearing the right sports brat. Before you answer that, tell 22 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: us how many of us are actually wearing the wrong one? 23 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: You know, for listener. That's a great question, and it's 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 2: one that we often talk about. And I would say 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: that there's so many different stats out there and if 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: we just really think about the problem or the situation. 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: At Nike, we know female bodies, We know how they 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: change during different life stages, over a menstrual cycle, and 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: so we really respect that each athlete or person like 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 2: we say that if you have a body at Nike, 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: we consider you an athlete. So every athlete that you 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: know your own body and we really want to work 33 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: with you to make sure we can find you the 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: best bra that matches your body shape and what you 35 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: want to do in the bra so you're comfortable, you 36 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: feel great, you want to be active and get your 37 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: best performance. 38 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: So you're not really putting a number on those stats 39 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: because I've seen you know, stats floating around like eighty 40 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: percent and basically a lot of us, perhaps we can 41 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: say that a lot of us, and perhaps this is 42 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: a time for you know, listeners to check in with 43 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: as to where they're wearing the right one. 44 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really trying to get out what 45 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: is the right bra for you? Knowing that our bodies 46 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: continue to change over our whole life, we probably aren't 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: the same size as we wear many years ago, and 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: so at Nike we are consistently listening to the voice 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 2: of the athlete. We're really trying to update our bra 50 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: products with her needs or where she wants to go. 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 2: And so as we build new product, as we really 52 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: regenerate sizing, it's important to keep trying new new bras. 53 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: And it's not always the most fun because there might 54 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: be another one out there that's great for you, and 55 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: it's not just based on a static size. So I 56 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: just really want to make sure we do the right 57 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: the right BRAM match. 58 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, So why is it important to wear the right one? 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? So the bra is one of our most essential 60 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: pieces of sports equipment, and we will typically say no brah, 61 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: no sport. So it's important that we really find the 62 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: bra that suits your body and movement choice. Like I 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: really want to combine those two. Otherwise we can have pain, discomfort, 64 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: whether it's chafing, whether it's neck pain, those sorts of issues, 65 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 2: and when you're not feeling good or you've got pain, 66 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: you're probably not going to be active and you're not 67 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: going to do sport. And that's really the exact opposite 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: of what we want for that benefit of a healthy lifestyle, 69 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: and because all of our bodies are really different and 70 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: we use them in different ways. At Nike, we're really 71 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: trying to do work to make sure that we can 72 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: provide choice to our athlete, to make sure that she 73 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: is finding that bra that makes her look good and 74 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: feel good and move more freely. And that's why I 75 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: keep reiterating, like, go and get yourself measured again, go 76 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: and try on new products, but just really try and 77 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: find that bra that is right for your body, respecting 78 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: how you need to feel, what movement you want to do, 79 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: and then really working with our product experts. 80 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: Are giving us an excuse to buy a different bra 81 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: for every different sort of some exercise we do. Okay, 82 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm doing yoga, I need this one, Doing politic, I 83 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: need this one. Okay, I like that. Now there's a 84 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: bit of a science in creating a sports bruh. And 85 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: I actually found this really interesting myself talk us through this. 86 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, being in the Nike Sport Research Lab, we really 87 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: are working with so many experts. We're working with our 88 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: digital partners, We're working with our product teams and design teams, 89 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: and all of this leads us to really building innovations 90 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: tailored for women and girls, and throughout that process we 91 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: do a number of different things. The first is that 92 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: studies in the lab where we investigate things like how 93 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: your breasts are composed, what is the morphology of the 94 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 2: breast shape, what is the biomechanics of breast motion, what 95 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: are the thermoregulation implications of wearing a bra? What are 96 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: the product used for your bra comfort, material feel, and 97 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: how you want to look. So you're putting all of 98 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: that together. We can do that in and outside of 99 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: the lab. We have some fantastic robots. We built a 100 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: soft tissue robot and we test new bra innovations on 101 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: our bra bot, which tries to simulate multidirectional breast movement 102 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: of our female athletes so that we can iterate quickly. 103 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: We also have a female form thermal mannequin, so she's 104 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: a sweating mannequin, and that allows us to again test 105 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: the thermal benefits and risks for each product before we 106 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 2: even go to athlete testing. So we've run in lab testing, 107 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: we've learned some things. We can put some of those 108 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: products onto our robots. We go back into the lab 109 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: and use iterative testing to build better product. And then 110 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: finally we wear test and validate all of our innovations 111 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: on female athletes of all ages or skill levels or 112 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: movement types or body shapes and types and. 113 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: Breast sizes and all their breath sizes are so different. 114 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: They're so vary, don't they They are? To give us 115 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: some of your tips, I mean, you're working in it, 116 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: You're creating the products, the bras and the workout tops. 117 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: What are some of your tips for you know, if 118 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: we're going in to try them on to pick the 119 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: right fit. 120 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: If we think about going into a change room, we 121 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: really think about what is our size and shape statically, 122 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 2: So let's measure what is our body doing, what is 123 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: our breast size and shape? But then from there we 124 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: need to think about We're probably not just going to 125 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: stand in this bra, so what are we thinking about 126 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: for the bra dynamically when I'm moving? How do I 127 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: want that bra to function? And then also how do 128 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: I want to look in that bra? How do I 129 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: want to feel in that bra? And then could that 130 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: bra give me a performance advantage? So we're thinking for 131 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: all of these things. 132 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: So you're giving us permission to jump up and down 133 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: in the change rooms, go for a run, tell the shops, 134 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: isn't it No, we have to run around the store 135 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: here exactly. 136 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: I think like jumping up and down is one thing. 137 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: It's vertical doing sidesteps, I jump, that would do things. 138 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: I've had people doing yoga poses to see do I 139 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: fall out the top? So I think doing those those movements, 140 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: making sure you're moving around in the bra is really 141 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: important to understand you're probably not going to sit there. 142 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: If you are going to sit there, then there's a 143 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: different way of maybe assessing that. 144 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're so right about the falling out. 145 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: I've got a yoga bro and I did yoga the 146 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: other day. It's an old one and I put it 147 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: on and see, that's an evident that your breasts. I mean, 148 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: I've fed three kids out of my breast, and I 149 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: think I bought it before that. And then I did 150 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: a yoga posset the other day yogurt, and I was 151 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: coming out the top. I'm like, whoa, whoa, what is 152 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: going on here? 153 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: I think? And then if we keep thinking about that choice, 154 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: some women like padding, removable or integrated padding. We've been 155 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: working on modesty options. We're thinking about like the straps, 156 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: the height. All of these sorts of things really are 157 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: trying to allow women to have choice and really find 158 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: the thing that's working for them. 159 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: Now, this is actually my own personal question. Sorry listeners, 160 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure it applies to a few of you, but 161 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: have you got any tips for getting a stinch out 162 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: of sports brus and am I running ones? I just 163 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: can't get it out well. 164 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: Ideally, after you've sweated in it, you take it off 165 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: and wash it immediately. If you're probably like me, it's 166 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: in your gym bag for the rest of the day, 167 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: so then you get home you have to wash it 168 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: when you go home. The best way to wash it 169 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: is by hand or in a lingerie or garment bag 170 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: with eco friendly laundry soap, perhaps a fabric booster, and 171 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: then air dry lying flat. Some people are using fabric softeners. 172 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: They can clog the fibers of our sports bra and 173 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: then trap in sweat and dirt, so that can prevent 174 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: also the fabric from wicking the sweat, so that can 175 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 2: affect the performance of the fabric. Yeah, and so trying 176 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: like putting the bra in the dryer, all of those 177 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: could affect the performance of If it's a dry fit 178 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: fabric or those things that we look for in a bra, 179 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: and so that could lead to more odor and then 180 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: it's we're just going to have to buy a new bro. 181 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you doubt to buy a new bra, bridget 182 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming on healthy, Thanks for having me. Well, 183 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: if you ever needed an excuse to go and buy 184 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: some new active where this is it, go and do it. 185 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed this chat. 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