1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Business Interview. I'm Sean, Alma. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Something a little different for you today. You might have 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: noticed in recent weeks a growing campaign to limit the 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: exposure of children to social media. Currently, kids are allowed 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: to have their own profiles on most platforms from the 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: age of thirteen, but there's a push to increase to sixteen, 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: when they may be a little more resilient, a bit 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: less vulnerable, and better equipped to deal with what these 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: platforms throw at them. The campaign is called thirty six Months, 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: representing the three years between thirteen and sixteen, and one 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: of the organizers of the campaign is radio presenter Michael Whipley, 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: better known as whip in fact universally known as Whipper. 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: One third of the Nova Sydney Breakfast Show FITSI and 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: Whipper with Kate Richie. Of course, Fear and Greed is 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: a proud partner of Nova Entertainment. Whipper. Welcome to Fear 16 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: and Greed. 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: Sean, thank you mate. 18 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: Just to clarify, you would agree that I am the 19 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: most crucial one third of Breakfast Show. 20 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 21 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: I like to put the emphasis on the middle syllable, 22 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: the middle person. In that instance, it's a Whipper and 23 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: kate Y. Yeah, I'm with you, Tyler, thank you. 24 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: As much as we love them, I'm without question the 25 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: most important in that lineup, Sean, thank you for having 26 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: me on mate, and thank you for taking an interest 27 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 3: in thirty six months. 28 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: So three extra years. How much difference would it make 29 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: between thirteen and sixteen. 30 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would make a hell of a lot. 31 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: There's two parts to it, and I think the first 32 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: part is if we look at what goes on in 33 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: the adolescent years and how challenging that is when you 34 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: throw social media and smart algorithms into the mix, when 35 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 3: you have vulnerable kids that are trying to discover themselves, 36 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 3: that's a dangerous play. The other side of the coin 37 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: is considering thirty six months, that three years to give back, like, 38 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: what can we do in those three years if the 39 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: kids aren't on social media, and what skills can they 40 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: acquire and learn? Knowing that if they choose to get 41 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: onto social media at the age of sixteen, they can 42 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: be armed with everything to expect and know what to 43 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: do and how to handle themselves if required. 44 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: So I suppose when I was reading up about thirty 45 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: six months, my youngest is fifteen and she is on 46 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: social media, and that's exactly I thought, what how would 47 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: I do it? And what would I do with all 48 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: that spare time she has. 49 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing to talk about. And you know, 50 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 3: there's some horror stories out there, as you'd know, Sean, 51 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 3: and you know a lot of those stories sort of 52 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: led us to where we are now. But if we 53 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: do consider the idea that that thirty six months is 54 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 3: handed back and that's a chance for families to reunite, 55 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: that's a chance for kids to discover themselves. You know, 56 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 3: the program and the teaching in there. You know, I 57 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: want my kids if you know, when they're old enough. 58 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 3: My oldest is nine tens on the nine years old, 59 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: but he's already talking about snapchat. But I love the 60 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: idea that he'll have the right teachings that if he's 61 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: approached inappropriately, or he feels flat or left out, or 62 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: he feels judged. And at the moment, that's what the 63 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: kids are doing. They constantly feel judged, And sadly, a 64 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: lot of this is to do with teenage girls as well, 65 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: and young girls who constantly feel like on a daily 66 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: basis they are being ranked. So they're being ranked on 67 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: these platforms, They go to bed feeling judged and ranked, 68 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: and then they wake up to see where they stand 69 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: and how they're ranked on that morning, and then their 70 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 3: day continues again, and that has had a huge psychological 71 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 3: change and is causing great psychological damage. 72 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: The amazing even if you take it before the ages 73 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: of thirteen. I think there's an e Safety Commissioner report 74 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: which said that kids age twelve to thirteen aren't just 75 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: on one platform, They're already, on average they're using three 76 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: different apps. I suppose the question is has a horse 77 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: boult of for kids at thirteen now? And are we 78 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: talking about the five and six and seven year olds 79 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: and doing what we can for them. 80 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: It's a great point because I think if you were 81 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: to bring this law in which we're hoping we can 82 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: push through and I think we'll get there, you have 83 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: to consider that those that are sort of in you'd 84 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: have to grandfather. Those that are in are in, and 85 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: then those that are under I mean it would be 86 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: a government decision. Those that are under an't. So it 87 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: would be an investment in the future for our kids. 88 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: But you know what, even just doing that, if you 89 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: consider sean changing the law to sixteen that's one thing. 90 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: Enforcing it in the platforms that's another thing. But at 91 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: least it would give the power back to the parents. 92 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 3: It would be you'd be able to sit there as 93 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: a parent and say, no, you don't do that because 94 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: it's the same as robbing a bank or I don't know, 95 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: shooting a gun. You don't do that because it's illegal. 96 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: Guys, correct. 97 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: I mean, imagine if it was just left to the parents, 98 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 3: so you could go down to the bottle shop and 99 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: walk in there and grab a bottle of whiskey and say, well, 100 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: dad said it would be all right. 101 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: That's just not how it should be. 102 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: And now that it's been so long, a good ten 103 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: to fifteen years of data, now is the time to 104 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: pull the trigger on it and be brave enough and 105 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: as a government, have the guts to say we now 106 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 3: have the data that says this does not work. Social 107 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: media has its place, absolutely, smartphones have their place. That's 108 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: not a war against social media or smartphones. It's a 109 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: war against trying to preserve our kids' mental health in 110 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: those ages of thirteen to sixteen. 111 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so you need legislation. I mean your point there, 112 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: which is it is up to the parents of course, 113 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: but if there's legislation that says it's illegal, it probably 114 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: makes it easier for the parent's argument to the children. 115 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: Where's the legislation up to it's federal legislation. 116 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: I presume it is federal legislation, and at the moment 117 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: the E Safety Commissioner is able to try and enforce because, 118 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: as we say, there's no real age gait if you 119 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: were to take a lot of these platforms. There's a 120 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: parental law out of the US which was governed in 121 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight which roughly has the age of thirteen, 122 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 3: and that exists also here in Australia. But has it 123 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: been enforced or is it enforceable. No, So what we 124 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: need to do is lift that to sixteen, make it hardcore, hardcore, 125 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: make it illegal that you can't be on these platforms 126 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: up nder the age of sixteen, and therefore have it 127 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: understood by everybody, have it actually listed, named and spoken about. 128 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: So we do have that law in place and the 129 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: parents can be empowered once again to have the right 130 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: influence on the kids that they should have. 131 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: Stay with me, whip up, we'll be back in a minute. 132 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm speaking to radio presenter Michael whip up Whipley. What 133 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: about platforms like meta, which of course is Facebook and 134 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: instant and TikTok and snapchat and LinkedIn or probably LinkedIn 135 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: does isn't quite appropriate or isn't relevant? But what about 136 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: those platforms? Have you had any engagement with them? Because 137 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: it's against their interests? 138 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: I'd imagine, well, it is against their interantce. 139 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 3: But what's interesting is as a country, imagine if we 140 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: were able to put our hand up and say as 141 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 3: a nation that we're one of the first to be 142 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 3: able to say this doesn't work for our kids, So 143 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: we could be world leaders in this. I mean, it's 144 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: state by state in America, and that's kind of what 145 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,239 Speaker 3: we've been encouraged by as well. Because as you list 146 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: the different types of platforms, yes, they fall under social 147 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 3: media the social media category, which is any platform that 148 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: creates engagement by addictive features. So it's your continuous scrollings, 149 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: it's you like your shares, all those things that make 150 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: your child the product. Because if the kids went on 151 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: there and there wasn't, it wouldn't exist. They'd be like 152 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: horse racing without gambling. So the reality is that these 153 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: platforms are selling your child's attention span. That's how they 154 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: make their money. 155 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's frightening. You've already got some backing for the 156 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 1: campaign obviously. I know in New South Wales Chris Mins, 157 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: the Premier has come out and support How important is 158 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: that you get high profile as well as people signing 159 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: petitions and things like that behind it. 160 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's been fantastic. Premier Men's came out and said 161 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: something needs to be done, which was great, so we 162 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: continue that conversation. The Prime Minister also congratulated thirty six 163 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: months as an initiative worth following. Even on a corporate front, 164 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: we had here and I join us the other day. 165 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 3: They put their hand up. They've got a program which 166 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: is called Progress for Humanity and that certainly aligns with 167 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: what we're doing at thirty six months. So we're encouraging 168 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: people to go to thirty six months dot com dot 169 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: au to sign the petition, but also we're throwing it 170 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: out there as well. 171 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: And this has been a great reality check. 172 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: We've been encouraging people on Instagram and I do see 173 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: the irony. We're encouraging them to post it a photo 174 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: of when they were thirteen, and that's a great reality 175 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: check because you look back at that photo, and I 176 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: certainly know the age of thirteen for who I was 177 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: as I stood there in my hard Rock Cafe T 178 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 3: shirt at a tennis lesson, I know that I wouldn't 179 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 3: have been mentally able to handle the impact and the 180 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: challenge that social media can bring on young minds. 181 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: What's the size of the prize here? If we can 182 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: get the age to sixteen and we can limit, if 183 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: not totally abolish use of social media for kids under 184 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: that age, what is the prize. 185 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: The prize for me is being able to hand out 186 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: the education required. The prize for me is being able 187 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: to give the kids back to the families and the parents. 188 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 3: Because if you could imagine having a stranger come into 189 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: your house who then chooses what they're going to show 190 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: your kids to influence them, that's really what you're doing. 191 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: You're inviting your kids into another world where they're attracted 192 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: by the smart algorithm. So if you can cut that 193 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: off and say, hey, come back into the family, come 194 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: back into this world and learn the skills through thirty 195 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: six months dot com dot au, we can give you 196 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 3: the skills that will actually take you into that next 197 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: phase of your life. And the other thing is too. 198 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: Once you're given back and once you're out of that 199 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: world of social media. As a young person, you don't realize, 200 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: but the natural skills and the resilience that you need 201 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: in life that's organically created by you doing other things 202 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: with your friends is huge. So that parental free play 203 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: amongst peers is another part to this. So get them 204 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: off the screens, get them back with their friends, get 205 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: them riding around the streets. 206 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: Do what you're meant to do as kid. 207 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: That's part of the decision making, that's part of the growth, 208 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: that's part of the resilience required to be a young adult. 209 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: It's very listening to you, Whippa. I just have a 210 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: sense of guilt, but I think that's okay. My kids 211 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: mentioned my youngest is fifteen, but I have a sense 212 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: of guilt now just thinking about this because I have 213 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: allowed them to do that. Sean probably is okay because 214 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: it's just realization. 215 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: That is realization. And I've guilt myself because I mean, 216 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: we talk about sixteen and we want that age change, 217 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 3: and we think that's an achievable outcome. A lot of 218 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 3: the parents are saying make it eighteen, and a lot 219 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: of parents are saying, well, I've got a problem, and 220 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: I fall into that category. I've got the problem of 221 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: sitting there and if it's quiet time, as much as 222 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 3: I'm watching a movie with the kids, I'm on the 223 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: phone and I'm on social media, and I'm doing things 224 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: and I'm wanting to be keeping up to speed with things, 225 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: and it becomes a trap. And you know, it's sad 226 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: when you find yourself lying in bed next to your 227 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: wife you might both be on social media, or you 228 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: go out for dinner and one runs to the bathroom 229 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: and then you're back on social media again. You feel 230 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: that trap and you feel that pull. But I'm forty 231 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: four years old, so I understand and I recognize it. 232 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 3: For a young mind, and that prefrontal cortex that the 233 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: professionals talk about that doesn't finish developing until you're twenty 234 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: years old. That's part of your emotion, that's part of 235 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: your decision making, that's part of your growth. That part 236 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: you know that awareness doesn't exist in that underdeveloped mind. 237 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: So I just can't imagine what it would be like 238 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 3: for the young ones. 239 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm toatally on board. I'm going to go and try 240 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: and find a photo of myself when. 241 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: I was eighteen and everyone. 242 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you for talking to Fear and Greed. 243 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: I really appreciate the time mate, Thanks for the. 244 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: Care that was Michael Whipper Whippley one third of the 245 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: Nova Sydney Breakfast team FITSI and Whipper with Kate Richie. 246 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: This is the Fear and Greed Business Interview. Joined us 247 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: every morning for the full episode of Fear and Greed 248 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: daily business use for people who make their own decisions. 249 00:11:53,120 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm Sean Elmer. Enjoy your day.