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Speaker 2: Just killing it.

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Speaker 1: She's training for a mystery, something that will all be

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Speaker 1: revealed eventually, but she's training like a mofo at the moment.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to say too much, but how is

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Speaker 3: I'm loving at Harps. I'm do you know how funny

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Speaker 3: it is to work with you for this long? And

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Speaker 3: still we're a bit starstruck that I got to train

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Speaker 3: with Craig Anthony Halfer this week. Craig style.

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Speaker 1: Well, I definitely don't be starstruck because I'm just an

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Speaker 1: old dickhead that you tell.

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Speaker 3: You what the Harp's novelty never wears off. It never

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Speaker 3: wears off. You'd think it might.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think I've trained you twice in your life,

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Speaker 1: and I trained you on the So Tif's doing a thing.

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Speaker 1: We can't say what it is.

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Speaker 2: At the moment.

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Speaker 1: Well we can, but I told her I don't want

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Speaker 1: it to and I will be revealed why. But I'm

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Speaker 1: overseeing her training at the moment, and it's fair to

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Speaker 1: say that it's not easy, and it's fair to say that.

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Speaker 1: You literally sent me a message stay saying I fucking

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Speaker 1: hate you, which was quite hurtful I feel, especially seeing

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Speaker 1: as I'm doing it for nothing.

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Speaker 2: I'm an only child. I'm insecure.

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Speaker 1: A couple of pats on the back wouldn't go Australia.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't even playing that app eitherhaps they were true emotions.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, keep training.

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Speaker 1: Professor Mark Cohen, Doctor Mark Cohen, Mark Cohen, welcome to you.

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Speaker 2: Just bloody Marko.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show, sir, great, thanks to really happy

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Speaker 1: What do you think about the relationship between Tiff and

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Speaker 1: I do there's a bit of passive aggressive stuff going on.

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Speaker 2: She kind of it seems like your old buddies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but then that that trainer sort of coach and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we it's being a You probably don't know this,

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Speaker 4: There's differ approaches in molly colleen or slapping around all that.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, enough about my bullshit, give us the you know

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Speaker 1: what your buio was so long, you've done so much stuff.

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Speaker 1: Rather than me read the two hour kind of thing

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Speaker 4: So I'm just a human being trying to work out

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Speaker 4: thirty eight years at university studying wellness to try and

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Speaker 4: find out how I can have a fun, unhappy life.

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Speaker 4: So I did Western medicine, I did Chinese medicine, I

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Speaker 4: did psychology, I did electrical computer systems engineering. I spent

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Speaker 4: As a professor at r MIT, I created wellness as

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Speaker 4: But it's got no money behind it, no research but

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Speaker 4: You know, herbal medicine. I've written big textbooks on herbal

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Speaker 4: That I quit my job as a pro a full

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Speaker 4: more than one hundred research papers and textbooks. And lately

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you could possibly squeeze all that in.

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Speaker 2: But what a bloody interesting life.

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Speaker 1: So like a lot of people in their career are

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about synthetic biology and we're talking about

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Speaker 1: genetic engineering and programming cells and like totally personalized drugs

441
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Speaker 1: built for your DNA, and it's it's it's bloody overwhelming.

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Speaker 2: It's the stuff I being really.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they can already they can they can three

444
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Speaker 4: D print an ear or a bladder and body parts,

445
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Speaker 4: so they take stem cells and they can take a skin,

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Speaker 4: you know, skin scaffold. So you're talking about body modification.

447
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Speaker 2: So just for.

448
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Speaker 4: Fashion, if you want, you know, you want to have

449
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Speaker 4: wings in the future, they'll be you'll be able to

450
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Speaker 4: order which we want and they'll be part of your body.

451
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Speaker 2: You know, if you want to.

452
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 4: Have an extra ear or pix pixi ears or whatever

453
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Speaker 4: shape you want.

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Speaker 2: This is all coming.

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Speaker 4: The synthetic biology and that it's not even just synthetic,

456
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 4: it's it's you can actually transform real biology. And we're

457
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Speaker 4: doing that already with you know, Crisper, and there's these

458
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Speaker 4: biohackers and inject themselves with gene editing technology to grow

459
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Speaker 4: their muscles or you know that you can buy gene

460
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Speaker 4: editing stuff online to make glow in.

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Speaker 2: The dark beer.

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Speaker 4: So you yeah, it's I mean, it's really crazy the

463
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Speaker 4: technology that we're coming up, and it is this merging

464
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Speaker 4: of the inanimate world with the animate world, you know,

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Speaker 4: And if you go back to the angel and ancient wisdom,

466
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Speaker 4: I really like combining advanced signs with ancient wisdom. I mean,

467
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Speaker 4: everything was alive. There was no distinction betweenimate and animates.

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Speaker 4: And I think we're coming back to that, you know,

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Speaker 4: as a big sort of spiraling back, but with using

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Speaker 4: modern technology for that realization.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a long long time ago, as a

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Speaker 1: species and as individuals within that species, because of the

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Speaker 1: environment that we lived in and what we did and

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Speaker 1: what we didn't have, I feel like we were much

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Speaker 1: more connected with our body and our physiology and biology,

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Speaker 1: and that we were much more intuitive and instinctive. And

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Speaker 1: in twoenty and twenty three, where you've got access to everything,

478
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Speaker 1: you know, in terms of food and booze and drugs

479
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Speaker 1: and everything to change your state is just you know,

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Speaker 1: three feet away, we've kind of become disconnected from that biofeedback.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 4: I think we have lost our own intuitive sense of

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Speaker 4: who we are, and I think that you can reclaim that.

484
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Speaker 4: And a lot of the things I talk about are

485
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Speaker 4: trying to reconnect people to that sense of their own biology,

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Speaker 4: of their own physiology. And I think there is a danger,

487
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Speaker 4: you know, with all these biometric devices now you know

488
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Speaker 4: the fits and the aura rings and stuff, where you know,

489
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Speaker 4: it's nice to know how well you sleep and how

490
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Speaker 4: many steps you've done, but you sort of it detaches.

491
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Speaker 2: You from your own intuition.

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Speaker 4: You lose faith in your own intuitive sense of your body,

493
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Speaker 4: and you're trusting output from some device. I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: there'll be a circling back. So we're actually not going

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Speaker 4: to need this technology at all, but we're not there yet.

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Speaker 1: They're still That's such a good point, Like when we

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Speaker 1: would look at a number that's on our watch and

498
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Speaker 1: would feel good or bad based on that number.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not how well you sleep.

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Speaker 4: Oh look, you know my watch that tells me how

501
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Speaker 4: well I sleept, rather than knowing when I wake up

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Speaker 4: in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that was a good night's sleep.

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Speaker 1: So over the years, dock one of the things that

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Speaker 1: I did thousands of times, which I wouldn't do anymore.

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Speaker 2: But back then we didn't know any better.

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Speaker 1: But in the old days, in the eighties and nineties,

508
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Speaker 1: we would weigh members or weigh clients every whatever, once

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Speaker 1: a week or something.

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Speaker 2: People would want to be weighed.

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Speaker 1: And somebody could be having a great day, they're happy,

512
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Speaker 1: everything's good, and they stand on the scales and they

513
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Speaker 1: look at a number that appears between their toes and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, life shit, they're having a

515
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Speaker 1: bad day. They're depressed, they're you know, because some number

516
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Speaker 1: appears between their toes that isn't the number that they want.

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Speaker 1: But thirty seconds ago, they felt really good physically, mentally, emotionally,

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Speaker 1: felt really good. And then now they've got a new

519
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Speaker 1: bit of information. Now they feel terrible despite all the

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Speaker 1: physiological kind of stuff that was, you know, a minute ago,

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Speaker 1: they were good.

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Speaker 4: And I think, I mean, I see that a lot

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Speaker 4: in medicine. So for example, there's this been trend in medicine,

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Speaker 4: especially natural medicine, where they'll do still a whole lot

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Speaker 4: of testing, yeah, just your blood, you know, seerum, rhubarb

526
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Speaker 4: and minerals and whatever, rather than actually find out what

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Speaker 4: what symptoms you have and treating the patient.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I think you know when.

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Speaker 4: You when you actually really and it does take a

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Speaker 4: lot of skill to take a good history and you

531
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Speaker 4: inquire into a patient how they're feeling, and you know

532
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Speaker 4: when do that starts and really investigating what's happened. So

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Speaker 4: it's very easy just to order a pathology test and

534
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Speaker 4: seeing your minerals, your blood levels or whatever, and then

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Speaker 4: treating the numbers on the pathology test rather than actually

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Speaker 4: treating the patient. And I think there is a place

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Speaker 4: for both. I mean, it's really good to have information,

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Speaker 4: and the more information you've got you can make better decisions.

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Speaker 4: But to rely just on that information field decision making

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Speaker 4: and not rely on the intuitive side and the experiential

541
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Speaker 4: side of what's actually happening, I think the danger there

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Speaker 4: will we're sort of the technology becomes between us and

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Speaker 4: our intuition.

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Speaker 1: I know you don't see patients too often these days,

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Speaker 1: but when you do, when somebody comes to you as

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Speaker 1: a you know, a medical doctor, do you ever put

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Speaker 1: on another hat and go I actually think you should

548
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Speaker 1: go and work in the garden, or go for a jog,

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Speaker 1: or it's some acupuncture or you know, play with your

550
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Speaker 1: puppy seven times a day.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been I guess I'm famous for doing that

552
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Speaker 4: for the last thirty years, where I'd write prescriptions which would

553
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Speaker 4: be going to play with your puppy, or draw dragons,

554
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Speaker 4: or go dancing. And but what I do is actually

555
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 4: ask people what do you do that. When you do it,

556
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Speaker 4: you lose track of time. You're so absorbed in the activity.

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Speaker 4: You're not worrying about the future, you're not feeling guilty

558
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Speaker 4: about the past. You're just absorbed in that activity. And

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00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: often you you know, some people would say I don't

560
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Speaker 4: have anything like that, and they were the really sick ones.

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Speaker 4: And other people wud say, oh, yeah, I used to

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Speaker 4: do ballroom dancing, or I used to paint, or I

563
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: used to garden. And you'd inquire and you'd see how

564
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Speaker 4: that their illness actually deteriorated when they stopped doing those activities.

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Speaker 4: So I would prescribe. I'd get a script pad out.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've been seeing patients this morning. Actually I

567
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Speaker 4: get to that out and I'd actually write, you know,

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Speaker 4: gardening three times a week or no ballroom dancing three

569
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Speaker 4: times a week. I'd say, you know, put this on

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Speaker 4: your fridge. This is your prescription. This is what you

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Speaker 4: need to do. And it was amazing the change you're

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Speaker 4: getting people. Yes, and either when you get people to

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Speaker 4: talk about the things they love, because as a doctor.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're asking about their pain, and you know

575
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Speaker 4: to travel here and there and how does it come

576
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Speaker 4: on and off? So you're asking people about negative things

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Speaker 4: in their lives. I would take a pleasure history. What

578
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: are the most fun things you have in your life?

579
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Speaker 4: What's your reason for living? What are the things you

580
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Speaker 4: do but you really enjoy? And when people start to

581
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 4: talk about those things, their voice changes, their posture changes.

582
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Speaker 4: You can see them in live and in front of you,

583
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Speaker 4: just as they're sharing with you. You know, the activities

584
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Speaker 4: that they really enjoyed. And that was really powerful to

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Speaker 4: focus on. So I mean, one example, I remember I

586
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Speaker 4: had an old patient who was a Vietnam vest. He'd

587
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 4: broken everybody bone in his body as a paratrooper, and

588
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 4: he had this ronic pain condition and he was getting

589
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 4: pathodene injections and there was not even off space in

590
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 4: his body to put the injections because it was all

591
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Speaker 4: Frey braised up. But the one thing he did with

592
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: fly remote control aeroplanes. This is in the nineteen nineties,

593
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Speaker 4: and when he was focusing on and he was like

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Speaker 4: austrange champion at it. But when he was focusing on airplanes,

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Speaker 4: his pain wasn't an issue. Wow, But the rest of

596
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Speaker 4: the time it was so you know, having something that

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Speaker 4: you love to do and you focus on that, that's

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Speaker 4: actually medicine, and that's what i'd prescribe.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I do that commonly, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: Do you find it in Probably people listen to you

601
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: and respect you a lot more than they do me.

602
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: But I find it interesting sometimes when people talk to

603
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: you about, you know, if they're flat or they're depressed

604
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: or they're anxious, and we'll talk about, you know, doing

605
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Speaker 1: something that is like we spoke about, like playing hanging

606
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: out with your animals or being in nature or listening

607
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: to music or meditating, or they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

608
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Speaker 1: but what do you think is xanax?

609
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, one, I'm not a doctor, but two,

611
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, why don't we like a We're a culture

612
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: that seems to have more faith in drugs than I mean,

613
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: there are so many things that can lower your heart

614
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: rate and lower your blood pressure and reduce anxiety and

615
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: that that don't involve any kind of drug.

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Speaker 2: So I've got a poem for this.

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Speaker 4: At the start of the pandemic, I was thinking, you know,

618
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Speaker 4: because I've studied all these complimentary medicines. I've written all

619
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Speaker 4: these research papers on them, So I saying, what are

620
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Speaker 4: all the activities you can do at home with no cost,

621
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Speaker 4: no training, and no equipment that have research evidence that

622
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Speaker 4: they reduce anxiety, improve immunity. And yeah, they've got evidence

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Speaker 4: behind them. So I've started writing these out and it

624
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Speaker 4: came and it came out of the poem. So this

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Speaker 4: I'm sort of I'm proud of this poment. It's got

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Speaker 4: fifty activities in it, hear it. If you go to

627
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Speaker 4: my website, you can click on each of these activities

628
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Speaker 4: and it will link to the research behind it's.

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Speaker 1: You know what, We've never in five years and one

630
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Speaker 1: thousand and nearly eleven hundred episodes, we've never had anyone

631
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Speaker 1: share a pime. So this is the debut for typ pimes.

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Speaker 4: And this is a systematic review poem, so it's evidence

633
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: based poem. I call it the World of Wellness and

634
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: it goes like this, Hold someone's hand, gaze into their eyes,

635
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 4: go barefoot in nature, bask in sunrise, choose a dance

636
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 4: partner and go find your groove, do tuch your yoga

637
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: and mindfully move, share a massage, enjoy healing, touch, Focus

638
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 4: on one thing and don't think too much. Make time

639
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: for a hobby, play chess, fly kite, make use of

640
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 4: your hands, draw paint so or right. Help someone in need,

641
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 4: Donate to a cause, play games, meditate, read stuff from bookstores,

642
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: turn off your screens, get a good sleep, declutter, spark,

643
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 4: joy and love.

644
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: What you keep.

645
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 4: Dig around in the garden, pick up a guitar, Slip

646
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 4: into a bathtub, sauna or spa. Care for a pet,

647
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: take up a sport, Go on vacation and make your

648
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: home a resort. Lie in a hammock relief pent up stress,

649
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: relax and do nothing and then do even less. Laugh

650
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: out loud, share a joke, give someone a kiss, say

651
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: a prayer, chant a mantra, and follow your bliss.

652
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Speaker 2: So that that's pretty amazing. I love that. Where can people

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Speaker 2: find that mark on.

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Speaker 4: My website doctor mark dot co, d r M A

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Speaker 4: r C dot co and forward slash poems.

656
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Speaker 2: And all research backed. That's all research back.

657
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Speaker 4: So each one of those activities has a link to

658
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Speaker 4: the to the systematic review or the randomized control trial that.

659
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Speaker 2: That's backing it.

660
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Speaker 4: And I give I think of that that poem to

661
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: my patience I say, have include as many of these

662
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 4: activities in your life you can.

663
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Speaker 1: You know what I laughed is just before when you

664
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Speaker 1: said I've been seeing patients this morning and you held

665
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: up a script pad there, I would think, one because

666
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: you're a medical doctor, and two because you're writing. Even

667
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: if it's like go dancing, or even if it's you know,

668
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a day line the floor with your dog,

669
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, or twice a day, but it's on a

670
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Speaker 1: script pad. It's given to me by a doctor. I'm

671
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: much more likely.

672
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Speaker 2: To do it. That's it.

673
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: You just told me to do it. I'm less likely.

674
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: But if you write it out on a script I

675
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: feel like, well, shit, this is clinical.

676
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: I've got to do this.

677
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Speaker 4: That's right, and put it on your fridge, you know,

678
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 4: the fringe magnet. Yeah, so it gives it some authority

679
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: to do that. At the moment, I just write scripts

680
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 4: of medical cannabis, so I don't really write other other scripts.

681
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: Well, now you're going to get in undated. I don't

682
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: need more patient. Don't really know.

683
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Speaker 1: One of the things that we've spoken about I reckon

684
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Speaker 1: five times in a thousand episodes. I'm interested in your

685
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: take on it and in fact, Tiff and I spoke

686
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: about a guy that we've both spoken with a bit

687
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: called Professor Jeffrey Reddicker from Harvard who is a researcher

688
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: and but specializes or spends a lot of time and

689
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: effort researching spontaneous healing and plus ebos and all of that.

690
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: What do you think of all that?

691
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: Do you?

692
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: Where do you sit with the you know, our ability

693
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Speaker 1: to heal ourselves from things that apparently are death sentences.

694
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Speaker 4: Or terminal Yeah, I mean, I believe nature has infinite

695
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 4: healing power.

696
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Speaker 2: And I've because I've been.

697
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Speaker 4: In this natural medicine world for thirty plus years, I've

698
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: seen so many cases of dramatic healing.

699
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a good friend with Ian Gawler.

700
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a case study of you know, he had

701
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 4: these cannonball lesions in his lungs and the bony cancers

702
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 4: all the way through his lungs and given six weeks

703
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: to live and what forty years later he's still around

704
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: and you know, transformed his life through you know, sort

705
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: of meditation and you know, lifestyle change. So I've seen

706
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 4: some really dramatic turnarounds.

707
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Speaker 2: Yes, And I.

708
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: Mean, if you have a look what humans are capable

709
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: of it's mind blowing. You know, some of these amazing

710
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 4: YouTube videos of what people can do, and now how

711
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 4: to turn that on? Because the one thing to say, Okay,

712
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: there's these examples of it, how do you actually activate it?

713
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 4: And some of those activities in my poem and those activities,

714
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 4: but when you move track of time so you're sort

715
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Speaker 4: of at one with the universe, that's there. They're the

716
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 4: activities that can potentially turn that on. But there is

717
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 4: no answer of how to know switch that on for everybody,

718
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: and not that you want to. I mean, in Western medicine,

719
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 4: we see death as the enemy and you know, fight

720
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 4: it at all costs. But I've seen people have amazing, beautiful,

721
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: really wanted and welcome death and they were really successful.

722
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Speaker 4: But Western medicine still sees that as a failure as

723
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Speaker 4: a death.

724
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I.

725
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 4: Think we have incredible power. I mean, the whole placebo effect.

726
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 4: I mean, it's so powerful you have to control for

727
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 4: it and all these experiments because it works. Yeah, it

728
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 4: works a lot of the time.

729
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: What about one of the great challenges, especially twenty twenty three,

730
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: I think its been around forever really about post pandemic.

731
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation around anxiety. Is anxiety produced

732
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: more by the situation and circumstance or more by the

733
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: individual in the middle of it.

734
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 2: Oh, certainly by the individual.

735
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 4: And a lot of the stuff I've been teaching people

736
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: now and working on is how you can remain really

737
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 4: calm and relaxed in the midst of a really chaotic

738
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 4: and stressful situation. So there's things like I did a

739
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 4: two with Bim Half and you know, how to teaching

740
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: people how to stay in an ice bath, which is

741
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: not really comfortable, but how do you then relax when

742
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 4: you're in an ice bath? And the work we did

743
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 4: with Lauren actually Lauren Burns using gold medice in taekwondo,

744
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 4: and she was one of my PhD students, and we

745
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 4: investigated these world champion athletes who'd be multiple world champions

746
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: and said, how do you stay in the top of

747
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 4: the world in your sport for so many years? I mean,

748
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 4: what you eat, what do you think? How do you live?

749
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 4: And we found out that they all did ice bathing,

750
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 4: and they did it for the mental health benefits of

751
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: how to relax in a stressful situation. And I think

752
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 4: that's a really important skill. I mean yoga gives you

753
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 4: that skill. When you do a yoga stretch, you sort

754
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 4: of go to the edge of your stretch, and there's

755
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 4: a point that I call the point of forced mindfulness.

756
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 4: That's the point where your body says, don't go any further.

757
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: You're going to hurt yourself. You don't stretch any further.

758
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 4: And if you do stretch, if you try and push

759
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 4: past that, you're going to tear a muscle and you

760
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 4: reduce your flexibility. If you just go to that point

761
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 4: of where you're feeling quite stress and you're at the

762
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 4: edge of your tolerance, and then you practice relaxing and breathing,

763
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 4: so you're relaxing in that stressful situation. The same thing

764
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: happens in a sauna or an ice bath. There's a

765
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 4: point where your body says, get out, it's too much,

766
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 4: when you're about to tap out. And at that point,

767
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 4: if you can just relax and practice being relaxed under stress,

768
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: that builds up your resilience. But if you do that

769
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 4: what I recommend, and this naturally happens in the open class,

770
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: so you know you're doing your stretches and your stretch

771
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: one side and the other side, and you go to

772
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 4: the point of that no forced mindfulness, you'll being comfortably uncomfortable.

773
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 2: So you practice being relaxed under stress.

774
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 4: But then at the end of the class you go

775
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: into schvacinating at the corpse pose and you do a

776
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 4: deep relaxation and then you're practicing relaxing while you're relaxed.

777
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: And when you do that, you go.

778
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 4: Much deeper into the relaxation because you've stressed yourself earlier,

779
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 4: so the contrast between the stress and the relaxation is greater.

780
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: And when you really relax deeply like that, all your

781
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 4: stress hormones can't fall back into balance, your mental activity

782
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 4: comes back into balance, and you really get in touch

783
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 4: with your inner self. That's a great time to make

784
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 4: decisions if you have to have to make an important

785
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: decision because you're or in touch with yourself literally and

786
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 4: it's a really good time to heal.

787
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: That's when your body doesn't healing.

788
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 4: So yeah, I really encourage people to go to the

789
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 4: limits of their stress and practical relaxing while they're stressed,

790
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 4: but then balance that with having a deep relaxation and

791
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 4: practicing being relaxed while you're relaxed.

792
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: Shout out to Lauren if Lauren's listening. We love you your

793
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: ace and thanks for connecting the doc and us. It's

794
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: much appreciated. Yeah, that's that that equanimity, that calm in

795
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: the chaos, right, That being able to, you know, despite

796
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: what's going on around, you self regulate and to.

797
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: Be able to as much as James Bond effect. Right.

798
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: We love about James Bond because you know, there's all

799
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 4: these chaos going around, but he knows who to shoot

800
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: and who to care for you to go through and

801
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 4: you know.

802
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do I make good decisions and do smart

803
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: things and act and react the way that is optimal

804
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of the shipfest that's going That's right,

805
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: that's going on around.

806
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 4: But the way to do it is you create a

807
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: ship best and you practice doing that and then when

808
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 4: life throws it at you, then you can deal with it.

809
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: That's so true. Is like we.

810
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: In fact back to TIFFs. So TIFF's training for this

811
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: thing that will remain nameless, but it's going to be

812
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: horrible potentially, And so I said to her, like the

813
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: other day, I've been getting it to do things that

814
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: a lot of them are fucking horrible, and I go,

815
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: you need to be used to horrible because if we

816
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: just get you traditionally fit, you know, that's great, but

817
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,479
Speaker 1: if we're doing it in a methodical, reasonable, comfortable, sensible way.

818
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: When you get in the middle of this thing that

819
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: you're training for where it isn't predictable, it isn't nice,

820
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: it isn't comfortable, it isn't familiar, it's freezing, you're in

821
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: the middle of water, you're here, you're there. There's all

822
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: this shit going on that you haven't dealt with, Like

823
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, for me, even as an exercise physiologist, I

824
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: think it's thirty percent about your body and seventy percent

825
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: about all the other stuff. You know, so me trying

826
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: to get and the same with you know, I've worked

827
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: with lots of professional athletes, and you know, understanding what

828
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: their body needs to be doing to execute what they

829
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: need to do for their sport or task or activity

830
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: is fundamental. But you can get any brilliant, genetically gifted

831
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: athlete who's beautifully trained, but if they can't perform under pressure,

832
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: they're fucked. You can't be a Lauren Burns, no matter

833
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: how great your body or genetics or skill or talent is,

834
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: if you can't go to the Olympic Games and under

835
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: extreme pressure execute, you know. And that's the thing is,

836
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: so it's like, yeah, fit, strong, functional, specifically trained, well nourished,

837
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: well slept, you know, all the all the physiological buttons pushed. Yep, sure,

838
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: but can you deal with shit? Can you do what

839
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: most people would give up on?

840
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 4: And that's where you know, you can recreate a ship

841
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 4: storm and practice it exhibiting the ship storm and then

842
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 4: and then then you actually feel it.

843
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: That does It.

844
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 4: Builds your physiological resilience. It also builds your confidence because

845
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 4: when you can do that, you feel like you can

846
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 4: handle anything. You feel invincible. And yeah, that's what I

847
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 4: really I love teaching people that and I do a

848
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 4: lot through bathing because bathings. Most people think bathing's really comfortable.

849
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 4: You know, you go to hot springs and your lie

850
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 4: in hot water. It's really and it is, that's super

851
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 4: relaxing and super comfortable. But you go into an ice

852
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 4: bath and after a minute or two you really want

853
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 4: to get out, Or you go into a sauna and

854
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 4: after ten, fifteen, twenty minutes you really want to get

855
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 4: out because your body is suffering and dealing with that,

856
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 4: and acs you've got another little poem here. So the

857
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 4: last poem was all about the chronic things you can

858
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 4: do to keep yourself relaxed.

859
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: So this is in the acute situation, when the ship

860
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: storm is hitting you, there's what you.

861
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 4: Want to do is activate your parasympathetic nervous system because normally,

862
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: you know when the ship storm hits, you've got your

863
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 4: sympathetic nervous system where it's fight and flight, so you

864
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 4: know up and your adrenalines up. But when you're in

865
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 4: fight and flight, often that's fearful and your brain turns off.

866
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: In that fight and fight, you don't want to think

867
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 4: about it. You want to act instinctively, so you don't

868
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: have time or should I do this or that? But

869
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 4: if you can calm yourself down, you can make a

870
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 4: better decision. And there's a way to do that to

871
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 4: stimulate your rest and digest your parasympathetic nervous system. And

872
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 4: there are things you can do with your body, very

873
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 4: simple things that will activate your parasympathetic nervous system. And

874
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: like all these things, the ten hacks to relax, and

875
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 4: it's super simple. It's touch all your fingers, wiggle your toes,

876
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 4: soften your stomach, breathe through your nose, thy smile, wallow thing,

877
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 4: flutter your eyelids, and focus within. Now, all of those

878
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 4: activities activate your parasympathetic nervous system. And there are all

879
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 4: activities you do when you're safe in your cave, when

880
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: you're running away from the tied or fighting a battle.

881
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so smart that you do that. I mean,

882
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: it's so smart that you you're teaching people, you know,

883
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: because people can memorize that quite easily and recall that you.

884
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 4: I was teaching to a patient this morning with PTSD

885
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 4: and anxiety and having panic attacks. And when the panic

886
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 4: attack comes on, if you've got things you can do

887
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 4: that give you a sense of control, but they actually

888
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 4: calm your nervous system. And this is you know the

889
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 4: you know the power of Vaguel, you know the Vagel

890
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 4: theory where you can have sympathetic nervous system high because

891
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 4: you're in a high adrenaline situation, but then you can

892
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 4: increase your vagual activity, your parasympathetic so you can still

893
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 4: be relaxed in that chaotic situation. And that's when you

894
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 4: make the best decisions. That's when you can get the

895
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 4: edge over your component, your opponent, and.

896
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: Where you for much better.

897
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 4: So it's how do you stop panicking and stay calm

898
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 4: when the ship storm hits. And these sort of tricks

899
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 4: can help, so.

900
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: You can be cognitively and physiologically optimal at the same time. Now,

901
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: maybe forty percent of my audience, I'm guessing do not

902
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: know who wim Hoff is.

903
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 2: I do. I'm a fan.

904
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: Tif you know, of course, don't you. Yep, one tell

905
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: us who he is and tell us what you did

906
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: with him.

907
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: So whims they call him the iceman. So he sort

908
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 4: of made ice fading quite famous. He has a method

909
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: that involves breathing where you breathe as much as you

910
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: can so hyperventilate and blow off all your carbon dogs

911
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 4: side and get dizzy and lightheaded and really uncomfortable, and

912
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 4: then you hold your breath for as long as you can.

913
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 4: And it just happens when you if you blow off

914
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 4: all your carbon dox side and hold your breath, you

915
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 4: can hold your breath.

916
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 2: For a long time, and anyone can do that.

917
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 4: And then he also promoted he had the world record

918
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 4: for many years of the longest spent in an ice

919
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 4: bath over an hour. He can spend in full ice

920
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 4: and control his body temperature and then no one could

921
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 4: believe that he could train anyone else to do that.

922
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 4: And they actually tested him. They did some research on

923
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: him where they gave him injected him with the poison

924
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 4: around E.

925
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: Coli.

926
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 4: So it's it's pretending you've got a blood infection without

927
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 4: active bacteria. So it's the lipoprotein coat around the bacteria.

928
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 4: That's what your body reacts to when you've got septocemia

929
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 4: or blood infection. So they gave that to him and

930
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 4: he did his breathing, did his thing, and he didn't

931
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 4: get affected by it at all, and they couldn't believe.

932
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 4: And he's this amazing charismatic dutch Man who's got a

933
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 4: lot of bravado and a lot of self confidence. And

934
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 4: they said, you know, oh yeah, you can do that

935
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 4: because you're a freak. He goes, no, I can teach

936
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 4: anyone to do it, And they said, how long you

937
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 4: take a year of training on? Take them on the weekend,

938
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 4: and they said, oh yeah, sure, And he did it.

939
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 4: He took a group of about twenty five people away

940
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 4: in Poland and I think maybe he took him for

941
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: five days or a week and trained him on the

942
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 4: training them on the breathing trained them on the ice bathing.

943
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 4: They did end up walking up a mountain in the

944
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 4: snow in their in their board shorts, and a week

945
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 4: later they all tested with the same injection of what

946
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 4: should have been a sept to see me, which gives

947
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: you fever and chills and pains for twenty four hours,

948
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 4: and they were able to do it as well. So

949
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 4: he has this whim half method, which is the breathing

950
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 4: and the ice bathing where he trains people to overcome

951
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 4: their own sort of body, their own physiology. And he

952
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 4: came to Australia about five years ago, especially living up

953
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 4: in NUSA at the moment, I think, and I sort

954
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 4: of toured with him giving the lecture on the science

955
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: behind the whim half method. And it was really interesting

956
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 4: for me to formula research there because I had already

957
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 4: done a lot of research on breathing practices and bathing

958
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 4: practices and stuff. So I sort of condensed that together.

959
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 4: And so you know, we went to Brisbane and Sydney

960
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 4: in Melbourne and we had like five hundred people would

961
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 4: come to an event and they'd all do two minutes

962
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 4: in an ice bath. And when you do two minutes

963
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 4: on an ice bath, you feel amazing when you get

964
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 4: out in this indorphin rush and you feel really powerful.

965
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: So they're really sort of high vibing events, and so

966
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 4: I traveled with him. I ended up doing some research

967
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 4: which you never fully got published that will we in survey.

968
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: One of my PhD students surveyed about four thousand people

969
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 4: doing the whim Hoff met and saying, you know, why

970
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 4: do you do it?

971
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: What effects do you get? What are the benefits?

972
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: And it was amazing that people get incredible benefits from

973
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 4: PTSD and anxiety, from depression, and from back pain and

974
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 4: joint pains and fibromyalga and chronic pain. They were like

975
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 4: the big ticket items that people got benefits from. And

976
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: I think it's especially with the anxiety and the PTSD,

977
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 4: is like when you go into an ice bath, you

978
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 4: naturally you had to ventilate, and that reproduces the breathing

979
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 4: pattern and the body chemistry of anxiety of trauma.

980
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: You know, when I.

981
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 4: Was working in emergency departments, you'd have people coming into

982
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 4: the emergency department thinking they having a heart attack, but

983
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 4: they're hype of ventilating. They're having a panic attack. But

984
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 4: it's the same sort of feeling that you're having well

985
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 4: you're about to die and having a panic attack, and

986
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 4: you can simulate that by going to an ice bath.

987
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 4: But then if you can control your breathing and overcome that,

988
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 4: it gives you the chance, well, I can overcome this panic.

989
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 4: And it can be dangerous if you've had really severe

990
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 4: trauma in the past and you do that to someone unexpected,

991
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 4: you can reactivate that trauma.

992
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: But if you do that in a.

993
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,479
Speaker 4: Very controlled environment where they can get out anytime they want,

994
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: they're in full control of the situation. There's a hot

995
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 4: bath or a sauna or something that can warm up

996
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: so they're not going to freeze, then they can actually

997
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 4: reproduce that previous trauma, that panic in a way that

998
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: they're in control of it. And then they can overcome

999
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 4: and they can control their breath and relax their breathing down,

1000
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 4: and suddenly they've got mastery over their own body when

1001
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 4: they didn't have it before, and that could be super powerful.

1002
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 4: And often when you're doing big public events or five

1003
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 4: hundred people sitting in nice bars, you need to watch

1004
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 4: out for the people who are getting triggered by that

1005
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: who and with a bit of coaching, pretty much everybody

1006
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 4: gets through it. But it's a really empowering thing for

1007
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 4: people to do. But you do have to be a

1008
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 4: little bit careful because some people are more sensitive. To

1009
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: give people that feeling of control over panic, it's such

1010
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 4: a gift to give to people, do you know.

1011
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: You know, so I remember hearing about that where he

1012
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: was in that hospital and they injected him with that

1013
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: whatever it was that made people. Typically it would make

1014
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: people really unwell for a period of time, and he

1015
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: went give it to me, and they gave it to

1016
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: him and he was completely fine and there. Yeah, and

1017
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: then he trained all those people that were not handpicked

1018
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: by him.

1019
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 2: I don't think.

1020
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: I think they're actually chosen by the researchers or whatever.

1021
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, and I hadn't done anything special before. And no,

1022
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: just here I can't like.

1023
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: What I don't get is why does that not blow

1024
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: everyone's socks off. Let's research that. Let's lean into Like,

1025
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: here's all of these people doing shit that is not

1026
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: meant to be possible. Why are we not pushing into that?

1027
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: Is it because it makes no money?

1028
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: There's no money in it?

1029
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 4: I mean what I mean, He's and now you know

1030
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 4: all the stuff in that poem I just read you know,

1031
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 4: those activities don't cost anything.

1032
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: And they don't make money for any organizations, do they.

1033
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 4: That's right, well, suddenly, I mean the wellness industry and

1034
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 4: the spa industry in Hot Springs. I mean, yes, nice

1035
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 4: and boring, but it's not it's not really a blockbuster

1036
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 4: drug that you can make a billion dollars or you know,

1037
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 4: many boultiple billions of dollars out of a molecule by

1038
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 4: doing that. These are activities. I mean, so for example,

1039
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 4: I really I've got to I think I call the

1040
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 4: cold water hockey pokey, which is a way of so

1041
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 4: because after the wim Hoff thing and traveling in the

1042
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 4: ice spading, I was going to lectures, you know, plays

1043
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 4: like wing Ghana, which is like this luxury health retreat

1044
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: and tell people to you know, going to use cold water.

1045
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 4: And most people say, I know, we hate cold water.

1046
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 4: We can't tolerate it, you know, because people are pretty

1047
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 4: wimpy generally. So I thought, and you know, wim just

1048
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 4: do it, you know, get in there. And but the

1049
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 4: people who come to wim hoffa then, or the alpha

1050
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 4: males or the alpha females or you know, the firefighters

1051
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 4: and the martial artists and the footballer, and I was.

1052
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: Talking to elder women and people.

1053
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 4: Who are more sort of relaxed, so though, there must

1054
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 4: be a way to do this that's gentle, and I

1055
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 4: came up with this what I call the cold water

1056
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 4: hokey pokey.

1057
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: And you can do it at home in the shower.

1058
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: It doesn't cost any money.

1059
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 4: You see, just basically you start off with a hot shower,

1060
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 4: and then at the end of your nice hot shower,

1061
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 4: you turn the heat up a little bit so you

1062
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 4: become a bit uncomfortably hot and a bit flushed. And

1063
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 4: at that point you stand back and you turn the

1064
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 4: hot water off and the cold water on. But you

1065
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 4: just get your left foot. It's okay, you've been really hot,

1066
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: and you put your left foot can handle the cold water,

1067
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 4: and then you put your left leg in, and you put

1068
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 4: your right foot and your leg and then your left

1069
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 4: hand and arm and your other hand and arm. And

1070
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 4: what that does it constricts the blood and your limbs

1071
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 4: and sends that hot blood into the core of your body.

1072
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 4: But you're still feeling okay even though you've got the

1073
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 4: cold water on your limbs. And then you keep breathing

1074
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 4: calmly and you smile to yourself, because that's what it's

1075
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 4: all about.

1076
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 2: How do you stay calm and you have that inner piece,

1077
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: and then then.

1078
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 4: You take a big breath in and before you put

1079
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 4: your left side in, you start to sigh out. And

1080
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 4: then you put your left side in, and when the

1081
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 4: water hits your neck and your sort of upper body.

1082
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 4: Normally that would when you go oh, it would make

1083
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 4: you have a big gasp because your blood dessels are

1084
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 4: close to the surface there and that gives you that shock.

1085
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 4: But if you're already going as you do that, you

1086
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 4: feel the cold, but you don't get the shock, so

1087
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 4: it takes the emotional reaction away from it. So you

1088
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 4: take a big sigh and you put your left side in,

1089
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 4: your right side in, your front side in, and you

1090
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 4: turn yourself around and you keeping calmly and smile to yourself,

1091
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 4: because that's what it's all about. And then you put

1092
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 4: your whole head in and then you move your head around,

1093
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: you know, standstill, get a drenching, slowly, turn yourself around,

1094
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 4: continue breathing, calmly.

1095
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: Smile to yourself. That's what it's all about.

1096
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 4: And then you can put the cold water on your

1097
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 4: kidneys when you're growing and on your arm pits, there

1098
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 4: are places where your bloodvessels are close to the surface,

1099
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 4: so it sort of chills your body a little bit.

1100
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 4: And you'll find after doing that, you'll be standing in

1101
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 4: the cold water and you say, oh, it's all right,

1102
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 4: I can do this, And at that point you're breathing calmly,

1103
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 4: you're in the cold water. You get out and you

1104
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 4: start your day. And it takes about a minute, like

1105
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 4: literally one minute to do that. And if you do it,

1106
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 4: you started your day singing and dancing. You come out

1107
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 4: feeling amazingly alive and invincible. Your hair and your skin

1108
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 4: improoves because cold water actually is really good for your

1109
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 4: hair and your skin, and you feel like you can

1110
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 4: do anything. And the hardest part of that whole thing

1111
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 4: is the decision to do it. It doesn't cost any money,

1112
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 4: it doesn't take any time. I mean saves money, you're

1113
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 4: saving hot water. But that decision to do it is

1114
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 4: that barrier. But if you can overcome that barrier, that

1115
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 4: procrastination barrier, that can then have like a rollover effect

1116
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 4: for the rest of your life. So that difficult conversation

1117
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 4: you want to you had to have, or that job,

1118
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 4: that shitty job you really didn't want to do Suddenly, okay,

1119
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 4: I can just do it, and you just make the

1120
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 4: decision to do it, and you do it knowing that

1121
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 4: it's not the best thing to do. You know, it's

1122
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 4: not the most fun thing to do, but it's actually

1123
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 4: fun overcoming.

1124
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: That hurdle once we get fully immersed, Mark, once I'm

1125
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: all in head, yeah, everything pits knackers. How how long

1126
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: do I stay and need to stay under there? Thirty

1127
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: sixty not.

1128
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: Even just to the point where you're breathing comfortably, right,

1129
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 4: so that once you're breathing comfortably, that's the biggest hurdle.

1130
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 4: Now there is an added benefit if you can get

1131
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 4: to the point where you become shivery. So at the

1132
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 4: point of you're not shivering and chattering, but if you're

1133
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 4: a little bit shivery, then what you've dropped, you've dropped

1134
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 4: your body temperature, and that does things like activate brown fat,

1135
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 4: which helps you burn white fat, and that turns on

1136
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 4: your metabolism, has other benefits. But just the benefit of

1137
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 4: overcoming the cold and showing that you can actually overcome

1138
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 4: a difficult situation of be calm just to the point

1139
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 4: where you're in the cold, breathing calmly that's all you need.

1140
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: At that point, you're good to go. Well, if you

1141
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: know what today's activity is, don't you? Thanks Hi, Mark,

1142
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: You're amazing. We know you've got another podcast coming up.

1143
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: How do people find you? Follow you, connect with you,

1144
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: read your poems and learn more about you and your work.

1145
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 4: So my website is Dr Mark Dr M A r

1146
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 4: C dot Co. I post a bit on Facebook and

1147
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 4: on LinkedIn. I'm not really on Instagram. I need to

1148
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 4: up my social media. But yeah, on my website of

1149
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 4: Facebook or LinkedIn the main sort of avenues, they can

1150
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 4: email me info I n FO at doctor Mark dot Co.

1151
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: They can email me for people you know want to

1152
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 4: communicate with me at all. Yeah, and I'm upgrading my website.

1153
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 4: But all my poems and stuff are there at the moment,

1154
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 4: and they're all three and I'm happy to share.

1155
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: Well, we would love to have you back because you're

1156
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: a killer, But we'll say goodbye.

1157
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: We'll say goodbye off air in a moment, but for

1158
00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 2: the minute.

1159
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming to have a chat with

1160
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: us on typ We really appreciate it.

1161
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 4: I've been a pleasure, Craig, and I'm good luck with

1162
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 4: your training. Tipt sounds like you can be doing.

1163
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: Thank you, Mark. It'd be rude for me to have

1164
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 3: a favorite on typ but I think I just have one.

1165
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: I think Mark's just Yeah, you're amazing.

1166
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: I love that I've got more poems I can share

1167
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: next time. Yeah, stay there, mate, we'll say goodbye. Thanks everyone.

1168
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: Now you've got lots of things to action, because that

1169
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: was fantastic