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Speaker 1: there at typ Central just killing it. She's training for

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Speaker 2: I'm loving at Harps. I'm do you know how funny

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Speaker 1: Well, I definitely don't be starstruck because I'm just an

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Speaker 2: You what the Harp's novelty never wears off. It never

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Speaker 1: Well, I think I've trained you twice in your life,

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Speaker 1: and I trained you on the So Tif's doing a thing.

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Speaker 1: You literally sent me a message stay saying I fucking

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Speaker 1: as I'm doing it for nothing. I'm an only child.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't even playing that app eitherhaps they were true emotions.

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Speaker 1: welcome to you, just bloody Marko. Welcome to the show, sir, great,

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Speaker 1: thanks to really happy to be here. What do you

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Speaker 1: Anyway, enough about my bullshit, give us the you know

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Speaker 3: So I'm just a human being trying to work out

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Speaker 3: So I did Western medicine, I did Chinese medicine, I

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Speaker 3: Fashion, if you want you want to have wings in

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Speaker 3: the future, they'll be you'll be able to order which

437
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Speaker 3: we want and they'll be part of your body.

438
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Speaker 1: You know, if you want to.

439
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Speaker 3: Have an extra ear or pix pixi ears or whatever

440
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Speaker 3: shape you want.

441
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Speaker 1: This is all coming.

442
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Speaker 3: The synthetic biology and that it's not even just synthetic,

443
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Speaker 3: it's it's you can actually transform real biology. And we're

444
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Speaker 3: doing that already with you know, Crisper, and there's these

445
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Speaker 3: biohackers and inject themselves with gene editing technology to grow

446
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Speaker 3: their muscles or you know that you can buy gene

447
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Speaker 3: editing stuff online to make glow in.

448
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Speaker 1: The dark beer.

449
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Speaker 3: So you yeah, it's I mean it's really crazy the

450
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Speaker 3: technology that we're coming up, and it is this merging of.

451
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Speaker 1: The inanimate world with the animate world, you know.

452
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Speaker 3: And if you go back to the angel and ancient wisdom,

453
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Speaker 3: I really like combining advanced signs with ancient wisdom. I mean,

454
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 3: everything was alive. There was no distinction betweenimate and animates.

455
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Speaker 3: And I think we're coming back to that, you know,

456
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Speaker 3: as a big sort of spiraling back, but with using

457
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Speaker 3: modern technology for that realization.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a long long time ago, as a

459
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Speaker 1: species and as individuals within that species, because of the

460
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Speaker 1: environment that we lived in and what we did and

461
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Speaker 1: what we didn't have, I feel like we were much

462
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Speaker 1: more connected with our body and our physiology and biology,

463
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Speaker 1: and that we were much more intuitive and instinctive. And

464
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Speaker 1: in twoenty and twenty three, where you've got access to

465
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Speaker 1: everything you know in terms of food and booze and

466
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Speaker 1: drugs and everything to change your state is just you know,

467
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Speaker 1: three feet away, we've kind of become disconnected from that biofeedback.

468
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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: I think we have lost our own intuitive sense of

470
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Speaker 3: who we are, and I think that you can reclaim

471
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Speaker 3: that and a lot of the things I talk about

472
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Speaker 3: are trying to reconnect people to that sense of their

473
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Speaker 3: own biology, of their own physiology, and I think there

474
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Speaker 3: is a danger, you know, with all these biometric devices

475
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: now you know the fits and the aura rings and stuff,

476
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Speaker 3: where you know, it's nice to know how well you

477
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Speaker 3: sleep and how many steps you've done, but you sort

478
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Speaker 3: of it detaches.

479
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Speaker 1: You from your own intuition.

480
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Speaker 3: You lose faith in your own intuitive sense of your body,

481
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Speaker 3: and you're trusting output from some device.

482
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, there'll be a circling back.

483
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Speaker 3: So we're actually not going to need this technology at all,

484
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Speaker 3: but we're not there yet.

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Speaker 1: They're still That's such a good point, Like when we

486
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Speaker 1: would look at a number that's on our watch and

487
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Speaker 1: would feel good or bad based on that number. Yeah,

488
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Speaker 1: not how well you sleep.

489
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Speaker 3: Oh look, you know my watch that tells me how

490
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Speaker 3: well I sleept, rather than knowing when I wake up

491
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Speaker 3: in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that was a good night's sleep. So over the years,

493
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Speaker 1: dock one of the things that I did thousands of times,

494
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Speaker 1: which I wouldn't do anymore. But back then we didn't

495
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Speaker 1: know any better. But in the old days, in the

496
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Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, we would weigh members or weigh clients

497
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Speaker 1: every whatever, once a week or something. People would want

498
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Speaker 1: to be weighed. And somebody could be having a great day,

499
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Speaker 1: they're happy, everything's good, and they stand on the scales

500
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Speaker 1: and they look at a number that appears between their

501
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Speaker 1: toes and then all of a sudden, life shit, they're

502
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Speaker 1: having a bad day. They're depressed, they're you know, because

503
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Speaker 1: some number appears between their toes that isn't the number

504
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Speaker 1: that they want. But thirty seconds ago, they felt really

505
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Speaker 1: good physically, mentally, emotionally, felt really good. And then now

506
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Speaker 1: they've got a new bit of information. Now they feel

507
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Speaker 1: terrible despite all the physiological kind of stuff that was,

508
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Speaker 1: you know, a minute ago, they were good.

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Speaker 3: And I think, I mean, I see that a lot

510
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Speaker 3: in medicine. So for example, there's this been trend in medicine,

511
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Speaker 3: especially natural medicine, where they'll do still a whole lot

512
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Speaker 3: of testing, yeah, just your blood, you know, seerum, rhubarb

513
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Speaker 3: and minerals and whatever, rather than actually find out what

514
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Speaker 3: what symptoms you have and treating the patient.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I think you know when.

516
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Speaker 3: You when you actually really and it does take a

517
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Speaker 3: lot of skill to take a good history and you

518
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Speaker 3: inquire into a patient how they're feeling, and you know

519
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Speaker 3: when do that starts and really investigating what's happened. So

520
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Speaker 3: it's very easy just to order a pathology test and

521
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Speaker 3: seeing your minerals, your blood levels or whatever, and then

522
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Speaker 3: treating the numbers on the pathology test rather than actually

523
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Speaker 3: treating the patient. And I think there is a place

524
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Speaker 3: for both. I mean, it's really good to have information,

525
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Speaker 3: and the more information you've got you can make better decisions.

526
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Speaker 3: But to rely just on that information field decision making

527
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Speaker 3: and not rely on the intuitive side and the experiential

528
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Speaker 3: side of what's actually happening, I think the danger there

529
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Speaker 3: will we're sort of the technology becomes between us and

530
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Speaker 3: our intuition.

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Speaker 1: I know you don't see patients too often these days,

532
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Speaker 1: but when you do, when somebody comes to you as

533
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Speaker 1: a you know, a medical doctor, do you ever put

534
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Speaker 1: on another hat and go I actually think you should

535
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Speaker 1: go and work in the garden, or go for a jog,

536
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 1: or it's some acupuncture or you know, play with your

537
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Speaker 1: puppy seven times a day.

538
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Speaker 3: Well, I've been I guess I'm famous for doing that

539
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Speaker 3: for the last thirty years, where I'd write prescriptions which would

540
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Speaker 3: be going to play with your puppy, or draw dragons,

541
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Speaker 3: or go dancing. And but what I do is actually

542
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Speaker 3: ask people what do you do that. When you do it,

543
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: you lose track of time. You're so absorbed in the activity.

544
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Speaker 3: You're not worrying about the future, you're not feeling guilty

545
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Speaker 3: about the past. You're just absorbed in that activity. And

546
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Speaker 3: often you you know, some people would say I don't

547
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Speaker 3: have anything like that, and they were the really sick ones.

548
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Speaker 3: And other people wud say, oh, yeah, I used to

549
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Speaker 3: do ballroom dancing, or I used to paint, or I

550
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: used to garden. And you'd inquire and you'd see how

551
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: that their illness actually deteriorated when they stopped doing those activities.

552
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Speaker 3: So I would prescribe. I'd get a script pad out.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've been seeing patients this morning. Actually I

554
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Speaker 3: get to that out and I'd actually write, you know,

555
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Speaker 3: gardening three times a week or no ballroom dancing three

556
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Speaker 3: times a week. I'd say, you know, put this on

557
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: your fridge. This is your prescription. This is what you

558
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Speaker 3: need to do. And it was amazing the change you're

559
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Speaker 3: getting people. Yes, and either when you get people to

560
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: talk about the things they love, because as a doctor.

561
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Speaker 3: You know, you're asking about their pain and you know

562
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Speaker 3: to travel here and there and how does it come

563
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Speaker 3: on and off? So you're asking people about negative things

564
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Speaker 3: in their lives. I would take a pleasure history. What

565
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: are the most fun things you have in your life?

566
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Speaker 3: What's your reason for living? What are the things you

567
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Speaker 3: do but you really enjoy? And when people start to

568
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: talk about those things, their voice changes, their posture changes.

569
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Speaker 3: You can see them in live and in front of you,

570
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Speaker 3: just as they're sharing with you. You know, the activities

571
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Speaker 3: that they really enjoyed. And that was really powerful to

572
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Speaker 3: focus on. So I mean, one example, I remember I

573
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Speaker 3: had an old patient who was a Vietnam vest. He'd

574
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Speaker 3: broken everybody bone in his body as a paratrooper, and

575
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Speaker 3: he had this ronic pain condition and he was getting

576
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Speaker 3: pathodene injections and there was not even off space in

577
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Speaker 3: his body to put the injections because it was all

578
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: freybrosed up. But the one thing he did with fly

579
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Speaker 3: remote control aeroplanes. This is in the nineteen nineties, and

580
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Speaker 3: when he was focusing on and he was like austrange

581
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Speaker 3: champion at it. But when he was focusing on airplanes,

582
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: his pain wasn't an issue, wow, But the rest of

583
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Speaker 3: the time it was so you know, having something that

584
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Speaker 3: you love to do and you focus on that, that's

585
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Speaker 3: actually medicine, and that's what i'd prescribe.

586
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I do that commonly, isn't it? Do you

587
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: find it in Probably people listen to you and respect

588
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: you a lot more than they do me. But I

589
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: find it interesting sometimes when people talk to you about,

590
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Speaker 1: you know, if they're flat or they're depressed or they're anxious,

591
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about doing something that is like we

592
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Speaker 1: spoke about like playing hanging out with your animals or

593
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: being in nature or listening to music or meditating, or

594
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Speaker 1: they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but what do you

595
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: think is xanax? Yeah? I'm like, well, one, I'm not

596
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Speaker 1: a doctor, but two, you know, why don't we like

597
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: a We're a culture that seems to have more faith

598
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: in drugs than I mean, there are so many things

599
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: that can lower your heart rate and lower your blood

600
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Speaker 1: pressure and reduce anxiety and that that don't involve any

601
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Speaker 1: kind of drug. So I've got a poem for this.

602
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: At the start of the pandemic, I was thinking, you know,

603
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Speaker 3: because I've studied all these complimentary medicines.

604
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Speaker 1: I've written all these research.

605
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Speaker 3: Papers on them, So I saying, what are all the

606
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Speaker 3: activities you can do at home with no cost, no training,

607
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: and no equipment that have research evidence that they reduce anxiety,

608
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Speaker 3: improve immunity.

609
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, they've got evidence behind them.

610
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Speaker 3: So I've started writing these out and it came and

611
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Speaker 3: it came out of the poem. So this I'm sort

612
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Speaker 3: of I'm proud of this poment. It's got fifty activities

613
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Speaker 3: in it, hear it. If you go to my website,

614
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: you can click on each of these activities and it

615
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: will link to the research behind it's.

616
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Speaker 1: You know what, We've never in five years and one

617
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Speaker 1: thousand and nearly eleven hundred episodes, we've never had anyone

618
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: share a pime. So this is the debut for typ pimes.

619
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Speaker 3: And this is a systematic review poem, so it's evidence

620
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: based poem. I call it the World of Wellness and

621
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Speaker 3: it goes like this, Hold someone's hand, gaze into their eyes,

622
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: go barefoot in nature, bask in sunrise, choose a dance

623
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: partner and go find your groove, do tuch your yoga

624
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: and mindfully move, share a massage, enjoy healing, touch focus

625
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: on one thing and don't think too much. Make time

626
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: for a hobby, play chess, fly kite, make use of

627
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: your hands, draw paint, so or right. Help someone in need,

628
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: Donate to a cause, play games, meditate, read stuff from bookstores,

629
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: turn off your screens, get a good sleep, declutter, spark

630
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: joy and love.

631
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Speaker 1: What you keep.

632
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: Dig around in the garden, pick up a guitar, Slip

633
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: into a bathtub, sauna or spa. Care for a pet,

634
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: take up a sport, Go on vacation and make your

635
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: home a resort. Lie in a hammock relief pent up stress,

636
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: relax and do nothing and then do even less. Laugh

637
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: out loud, share a joke, give someone a kiss, say

638
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: a prayer, chant a mantra, and follow your bliss.

639
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: So that that's pretty amazing. I love that. Where can people

640
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: find that mark on my website?

641
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: Doctor mark dot co, d r M A r C

642
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: dot co and forward slash poems.

643
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: And all research backed. That's all research back.

644
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Speaker 3: So each one of those activities has a link to

645
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: the to the systematic review or the randomized control trial that.

646
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: That's backing it.

647
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Speaker 3: And I give I think of that that poem to

648
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Speaker 3: my patience, I say, have include as many of these

649
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: activities in your life you can.

650
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Speaker 1: You know what I laughed is just before when you

651
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Speaker 1: said I've been seeing patients this morning and you held

652
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Speaker 1: up a script pad there, I would think, one because

653
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Speaker 1: you're a medical doctor, and two because you're writing. Even

654
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: if it's like go dancing, or even if it's you know,

655
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a day line the floor with your dog,

656
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, or twice a day, but it's on a

657
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Speaker 1: script pad. It's given to me by a doctor. I'm

658
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: much more likely to do it. That's it. You just

659
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: told me to do it. I'm less likely. But if

660
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: you write it out on a script I feel like, well, shit,

661
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: this is clinical. I've got to do this.

662
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Speaker 3: That's right, and put it on your fridge, you know,

663
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: the fringe magnet. Yeah, so it gives it some authority

664
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Speaker 3: to do that. At the moment, I just write scripts

665
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: of medical cannabis, so I don't really write other other scripts.

666
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: Well, now you're going to get in undated. I don't

667
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: need more patient. Don't really know. One of the things

668
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: that we've spoken about I reckon five times in a

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Speaker 1: thousand episodes. I'm interested in your take on it, and

670
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: in fact, Tiff and I spoke about a guy that

671
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: we've both spoken with a bit called Professor Jeffrey Reddicker

672
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: from Harvard who is a researcher and but specializes or

673
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: spends a lot of time and effort researching spontaneous healing

674
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: and plus ebos and all of that. What do you

675
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: think of all that?

676
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: Do you?

677
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: Where do you sit with the you know, our ability

678
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: to heal ourselves from things that apparently are death sentences.

679
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: Or terminal Yeah, I mean, I believe nature has infinite

680
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 3: healing power.

681
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: And I've because I've.

682
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: Been in this natural medicine world for thirty plus years,

683
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: I've seen so many cases of dramatic healing.

684
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a good friend with Ian Gawler.

685
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a case study of you know, he had

686
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: these cannonball lesions in his lungs and the bony cancers

687
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 3: all the way through his lungs and given six weeks

688
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: to live and what forty years later he's still around

689
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: and you know, transformed his life through you know, sort

690
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: of meditation and you know, lifestyle change. So I've seen

691
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: some really dramatic turnarounds.

692
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Speaker 1: Yes, And I.

693
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Speaker 3: Mean, if you have a look what humans are capable

694
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: of it's mind blowing, you know, some of these amazing

695
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: YouTube videos of what people can do, and now how

696
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: to turn that on? Because the one thing to say, Okay,

697
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: there's these examples of it, how do you actually activate it?

698
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 3: And some of those activities in my poem and those activities,

699
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: but when you move track of time so you're sort

700
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: of at one with the universe, that's there. They're the

701
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 3: activities that can potentially turn that on. But there is

702
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: no answer of how to know switch that on for everybody,

703
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: and not that you want to. I mean, in Western medicine,

704
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 3: we see death as the enemy and you know, fight

705
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: it at all costs. But I've seen people have amazing, beautiful,

706
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: really wanted and welcome death and they were really successful.

707
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Speaker 3: But Western medicine still sees that as a failure as

708
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Speaker 3: a death.

709
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I.

710
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: Think we have incredible power. I mean, the whole placebo effect.

711
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so powerful you have to control for

712
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: it and all these experiments because it works. Yeah, it

713
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: works a lot of the time.

714
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Speaker 1: What about one of the great challenges, especially twenty twenty three,

715
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Speaker 1: I think its been around forever really about post pandemic.

716
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation around anxiety. Is anxiety produced

717
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: more by the situation and circumstance or more by the

718
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: individual in the middle of it. Oh, certainly by the individual.

719
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: And a lot of the stuff I've been teaching people

720
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: now and working on is how you can remain really

721
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 3: calm and relaxed in the midst of a really chaotic

722
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 3: and stressful situation. So there's things like I did a

723
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: too with Bim Half and you know, how to teaching

724
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: people how to stay in an ice bath, which is

725
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: not really comfortable, but how do you then relax when

726
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: you're in an ice bath? And the work we did

727
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: with Lauren actually, Lauren Burns is using gold medice in taekwondo,

728
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: and she was one of my PhD students, and we

729
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: investigated these world champion athletes who'd be multiple world champions

730
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: and said, how do you stay in the top of

731
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: the world in your sport for so many years? I mean,

732
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: what you eat, what do you think? How do you live?

733
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: And we found out that they all did ice bathing,

734
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: and they did it for the mental health benefits of

735
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: how to relax in a stressful situation. And I think

736
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 3: that's a really important skill. I mean yoga gives you

737
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 3: that skill. When you do a yoga stretch, you sort

738
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 3: of go to the edge of your stretch, and there's

739
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: a point that I call the point of forced mindfulness.

740
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 3: That's the point where your body says, don't go any further.

741
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: You're going to hurt yourself. You don't stretch any further.

742
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: And if you do stretch, if you try and push

743
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: past that, you're going to tear a muscle and you

744
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 3: reduce your flexibility. If you just go to that point

745
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 3: of where you're feeling quite stress and you're at the

746
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 3: edge of your tolerance, and then you practice relaxing and breathing,

747
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: so you're relaxing in that stressful situation. The same thing

748
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: happens in a sauna or an ice bath. There's a

749
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: point where your body says, get out, it's too much,

750
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: when you're about to tap out. And at that point,

751
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 3: if you can just relax and practice being relaxed under stress,

752
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: that builds up your resilience. But if you do that

753
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 3: what I recommend, and this naturally happens in the open class,

754
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: so you know you're doing your stretches and your stretch

755
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: one side and the other side, and you go to

756
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: the point of that no forced mindfulness, you'll being comfortably uncomfortable.

757
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: So you practice being relaxed under stress.

758
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: But then at the end of the class you go

759
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: into schvacinating at the corpse pose and you do a

760
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: deep relaxation and then you're practicing relaxing while you're relaxed.

761
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: And when you do that, you go.

762
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: Much deeper into the relaxation because you've stressed yourself earlier,

763
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 3: so the contrast between the stress and the relaxation is greater.

764
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: And when you really relax deeply like that, all your

765
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 3: stress hormones can't fall back into balance, your mental activity

766
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: comes back into balance, and you really get in touch

767
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: with your inner self. That's a great time to make

768
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: decisions if you have to have to make an important

769
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: decision because you're or in touch with yourself literally and

770
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 3: it's a really good time to heal.

771
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: That's when your body doesn't healing.

772
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I really encourage people to go to the

773
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 3: limits of their stress and practical relaxing while they're stressed,

774
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: but then balance that with having a deep relaxation and

775
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 3: practicing being relaxed while you're relaxed.

776
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Speaker 1: Shout out to Lauren if Lauren's listening. We love you your

777
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: ace and thanks for connecting the doc and us. It's

778
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: much appreciated. Yeah, that's that that equanimity, that calm in

779
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: the chaos, right, That being able to, you know, despite

780
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: what's going on around, you self regulate and to be

781
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: able to as much as James Bond effect. Right.

782
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: We love about James Bond because you know, there's all

783
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: these chaos going around, but he knows who to shoot

784
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: and who to care for you to go through and

785
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 3: you know.

786
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do I make good decisions and do smart

787
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: things and act and react the way that is optimal

788
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of the shipfest that's going That's right,

789
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: that's going on around.

790
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: But the way to do it is you create a

791
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: ship best and you practice doing that and then when

792
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: life throws it at you, then you can deal with it.

793
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: That's so true. Is like we in fact back to TIFFs.

794
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: So TIFF's training for this thing that will remain nameless,

795
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: but it's going to be horrible potentially, And so I

796
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: said to her, like the other day, I've been getting

797
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: it to do things that a lot of them are

798
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: fucking horrible, and I go, you need to be used

799
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: to horrible because if we just get you traditionally fit,

800
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's great, but if we're doing it in

801
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: a methodical, reasonable, comfortable, sensible way. When you get in

802
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: the middle of this thing that you're training for where

803
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: it isn't predictable, it isn't nice, it isn't comfortable, it

804
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: isn't familiar, it's freezing, you're in the middle of water,

805
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: you're here, you're there. There's all this shit going on

806
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: that you haven't dealt with, Like you know, for me,

807
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: even as an exercise physiologist, I think it's thirty percent

808
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: about your body and seventy percent about all the other stuff.

809
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: You know, so me trying to get and the same

810
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: with you know, I've worked with lots of professional athletes,

811
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: and you know, understanding what their body needs to be

812
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: doing to execute what they need to do for their

813
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: sport or task or activity is fundamental. But you can

814
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: get any brilliant, genetically gifted athlete who's beautifully trained, but

815
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: if they can't perform under pressure, they're fucked. You can't

816
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: be a Lauren Burns, no matter how great your body

817
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: or genetics or skill or talent is, if you can't

818
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: go to the Olympic Games and under extreme pressure execute,

819
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: you know. And that's the thing is, so it's like, yeah, fit, strong, functional,

820
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: specifically trained, well nourished, well slept, you know, all the

821
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: all the physiological buttons pushed. Yep, sure, but can you

822
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: deal with shit? Can you do what most people would

823
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: give up on?

824
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: And that's where you know, you can recreate a ship

825
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 3: storm and practice it exhibiting the ship storm and then

826
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: and then then you actually feel it.

827
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: That does It.

828
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: Builds your physiological resilience. It also builds your confidence because

829
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: when you can do that, you feel like you can

830
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 3: handle anything. You feel invincible. And yeah, that's what I

831
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: really know. I love teaching people that and I do

832
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 3: a lot through bathing because bathings. Most people think bathing's

833
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: really comfortable. You know, you go to hot springs and

834
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: your lie in hot water. It's really and it is,

835
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: that's super relaxing and super comfortable. But you go into

836
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: an ice bath and after a minute or two you

837
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: really want to get out, Or you go into a

838
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: sauna and after ten, fifteen, twenty minutes you really want

839
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: to get out because your body is suffering and dealing

840
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 3: with that.

841
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: And as you've got another little poem here.

842
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: So the last poem was all about the chronic things

843
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: you can do to keep yourself relaxed. So this is

844
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 3: in the acute situation, when the ship storm is hitting you,

845
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: there's what you want to do is activate your parasympathetic

846
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: nervous system because normally, you know when the ship storm hits,

847
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 3: you've got your sympathetic nervous system where it's fight and flight,

848
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: so you know up and your adrenalines up. But when

849
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: you're in fight and flight, often that's fearful and your

850
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 3: brain turns off. In that fight and fight, you don't

851
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: want to think about it. You want to act instinctively,

852
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: so you don't have time or should I do this

853
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: or that? But if you can calm yourself down, you

854
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: can make a better decision. And there's a way to

855
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: do that to stimulate your rest and digest your parasympathetic

856
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: nervous system. And there are things you can do with

857
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: your body, very simple things that will activate your parasympathetic

858
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: nervous system. And like all these things, the ten hacks

859
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: to relax, and it's super simple. It's touch all your fingers,

860
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: wiggle your toes, soften your stomach, breathe through your nose, thigh, smile,

861
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 3: wallow thing, flutter your eyelids, and focus within. Now, all

862
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: of those activities activate your parasympathetic nervous system. And there

863
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: are all activities you do when you're safe in your cave,

864
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: when you're running away from the tied or fighting a battle.

865
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so smart that you do that. I mean,

866
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: it's so smart that you you're teaching people, you know,

867
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: because people can memorize that quite easily, and recall.

868
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: That I was teaching to a patient this morning with

869
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: PTSD and anxiety and having panic attacks. And when the

870
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: panic attack comes on, if you've got things you can

871
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: do that give you a sense of control, but they

872
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: actually calm your nervous system. And this is you know

873
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 3: the you know, the power of Vaguel, you know the

874
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: Vagel theory where you can have sympathetic nervous system high

875
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: because you're in a high adrenaline situation, but then you

876
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: can increase your vagual activity, your parasympathetic so you can

877
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: still be relaxed in that chaotic situation. And that's when

878
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 3: you make the best decisions. That's when you can get

879
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 3: the edge over your component, your opponent, and.

880
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: Where you for much better.

881
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 3: So it's how do you stop panicking and stay calm

882
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: when the ship storm hits. And these sort of tricks

883
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: can help, so.

884
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: You can be cognitively and physiologically optimal at the same time. Now,

885
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: maybe forty percent of my audience, I'm guessing do not

886
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: know who wim Hoff is. I do. I'm a fan.

887
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: Tif you know, of course, don't you. Yep, one tell

888
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: us who he is and tell us what you did

889
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: with him. So whims they call him the iceman. So

890
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: he sort of made ice fading quite famous.

891
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: He has a method that involves breathing where you breathe

892
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 3: as much as you can so hyperventilate and blow off

893
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: all your carbon dogs side and get dizzy and lightheaded

894
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: and really uncomfortable, and then you hold your breath for

895
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: as long as you can. And it just happens when

896
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: you if you blow off all your carbon dox side

897
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: and hold your breath, you can hold your breath.

898
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: For a long time, and anyone can do that.

899
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 3: And then he also promoted he had the world record

900
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: for many years of the longest spent in an ice

901
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: bath over an hour. He can spend in full ice

902
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: and control his body temperature and then no one could

903
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: believe that he could train anyone else to do that.

904
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 3: And they actually tested him. They did some research on

905
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: him where they gave him injected him with the poison

906
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: around E.

907
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: Coli.

908
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: So it's it's pretending you've got a blood infection without

909
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: active bacteria. So it's the lipoprotein coat around the bacteria.

910
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: That's what your body reacts to when you've got septocemia

911
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: or blood infection. So they gave that to him and

912
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: he did his breathing, did his thing, and he didn't

913
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: get affected by it at all, and they couldn't believe.

914
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: And he's this amazing charismatic dutch Man who's got a

915
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: lot of bravado and a lot of self confidence. And

916
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: they said, you know, oh yeah, you can do that

917
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: because you're a freak. He goes, no, I can teach

918
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: anyone to do it, And they said, how long you

919
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 3: take a year of training on? Take them on the weekend,

920
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: and they said, oh yeah, sure, And he did it.

921
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: He took a group of about twenty five people away

922
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: in Poland and I think maybe he took him for

923
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: five days or a week and trained him on the

924
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 3: training them on the breathing trained them on the ice bathing.

925
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 3: They did end up walking up a mountain in the

926
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: snow in their in their board shorts, and a week

927
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: later they all tested with the same injection of what

928
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: should have been a sept to see me, which gives

929
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: you fever and chills and pains for twenty four hours,

930
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: and they were able to do it as well. So

931
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: he has this whim half method, which is the breathing

932
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: and the ice bathing where he trains people to overcome

933
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 3: their own sort of body, their own physiology. And he

934
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: came to Australia about five years ago, especially living up

935
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: in NUSA at the moment, I think, and I sort

936
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: of toured with him giving the lecture on the science

937
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: behind the whim half method. And it was really interesting

938
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 3: for me to formula research there because I had already

939
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: done a lot of research on breathing practices and bathing

940
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 3: practices and stuff. So I sort of condensed that together.

941
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 3: And so you know, we went to Brisbane and Sydney

942
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: in Melbourne and we had like five hundred people would

943
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 3: come to an event and they'd all do two minutes

944
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: in an ice bath.

945
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: And when you do two minutes on an ice bath,

946
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: you feel amazing. When you get out, it is.

947
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: In doorphin rush and you feel really powerful. So they're

948
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: really sort of high vibing events, and so I traveled

949
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 3: with him. I ended up doing some research which you

950
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: never fully got published that will we in survey. One

951
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: of my PhD students surveyed about four thousand people doing

952
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: the whim Hoff met and saying, you know, why do

953
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 3: you do it?

954
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: What effects do you get? What are the benefits?

955
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: And it was amazing that people get incredible benefits from

956
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 3: PTSD and anxiety, from depression, and from back pain and

957
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: joint pains and fibromyalga and chronic pain. They were like

958
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 3: the big ticket items that people got benefits from. And

959
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: I think it's especially with the anxiety and the PTSD,

960
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: is like when you go into an ice bath, you

961
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: naturally you had to ventilate, and that reproduces the breathing

962
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: pattern and the body chemistry of anxiety of trauma.

963
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: You know, when I was.

964
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: Working in emergency departments, you'd have people coming into the

965
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 3: emergency department thinking they having a heart attack, but they're

966
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 3: hype of ventilating. They're having a panic attack. But it's

967
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 3: the same sort of feeling that you're having, well you're

968
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 3: about to die and having a panic attack, and you

969
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: can simulate that by going to an ice bath. But

970
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: then if you can control your breathing and overcome that,

971
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 3: it gives you the chance, well, I can overcome this panic.

972
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 3: And it can be dangerous if you've had really severe

973
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 3: trauma in the past and you do that to someone unexpected,

974
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: you can reactivate that trauma. But if you do that

975
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: in a very controlled environment where they can get out

976
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: anytime they want, they're in full control of the situation.

977
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 3: There's a hot bath or a sauna or something that

978
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: can warm up so they're not going to freeze, then

979
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 3: they can actually reproduce that previous trauma, that panic in

980
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 3: a way that they're in control of it. And then

981
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: they can overcome and they can control their breath and

982
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: relax their breathing down, and suddenly they've got mastery over

983
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: their own body when they didn't have it before, and

984
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: that could be super powerful. And often when you're doing

985
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: big public events or five hundred people sitting in nice bars,

986
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: you need to watch out for the people who are

987
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: getting triggered by that who and with a bit of coaching,

988
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 3: pretty much everybody gets through it. But it's a really

989
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: empowering thing for people to do. But you do have

990
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 3: to be a little bit careful because some people are

991
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 3: more sensitive. To give people that feeling of control over panic,

992
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: it's such a gift to give to people, do you know.

993
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: You know, so I remember hearing about that where he

994
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: was in that hospital and they injected him with that

995
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: whatever it was that made people. Typically it would make

996
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: people really unwell for a period of time, and he

997
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: went give it to me, and they gave it to

998
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: him and he was completely fine and there. Yeah, and

999
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: then he trained all those people that were not handpicked

1000
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: by him. I don't think. I think they're actually chosen

1001
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 1: by the researchers or whatever. Yeah. No, and I hadn't

1002
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: done anything special before. And no, just here I can't like.

1003
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: What I don't get is why does that not blow

1004
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: everyone's socks off. Let's research that. Let's lean into Like,

1005
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: here's all of these people doing shit that is not

1006
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: meant to be possible. Why are we not pushing into that?

1007
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: Is it because it makes no money? There's no money

1008
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: in it?

1009
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 3: I mean what I mean, He's and now you know

1010
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: all the stuff in that poem.

1011
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: I just read. You know, those activities don't cost anything

1012
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: and they don't make money for any organizations, do they.

1013
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: That's right, well, suddenly, I mean the wellness industry and

1014
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: the spa industry in Hot Springs. I mean, yes, nice

1015
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: and boring, but it's not it's not really a blockbuster

1016
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: drug that you can make a billion dollars or you know,

1017
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 3: many boultiple billions of dollars out of a molecule by

1018
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 3: doing that. These are activities. I mean, so for example,

1019
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 3: I really I've got to I think I call the

1020
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: cold water hockey pokey, which is a way of so

1021
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: because after the wim Hoff thing and traveling in the

1022
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: ice spading, I was going to lectures, you know, plays

1023
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: like wing Ghana, which is like this luxury health retreat

1024
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: and tell people to you know, going to use cold water.

1025
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: And most people say, I know, we hate cold water.

1026
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 3: We can't tolerate it, you know, because people are pretty

1027
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: wimpy generally. So I thought, and you know, wim just

1028
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: do it, you know, get in there. And but the

1029
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 3: people who come to wim hoffa then, or the alpha

1030
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 3: males or the alpha females or you know, the firefighters

1031
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: and the martial artists and the footballer, and I.

1032
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: Was talking to elder women and people.

1033
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 3: Who are more sort of relaxed, so though, there must

1034
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 3: be a way to do this that's gentle, and I

1035
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: came up with this what I call the cold water

1036
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: hokey pokey.

1037
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: And you can do it at home in the shower.

1038
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't cost any money.

1039
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 3: You see, just basically you start off with a hot shower,

1040
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: and then at the end of your nice hot shower,

1041
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 3: you turn the heat up a little bit so you

1042
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 3: become a bit uncomfortably hot and a bit flushed. And

1043
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: at that point you stand back and you turn the

1044
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 3: hot water off and the cold water on. But you

1045
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: just get your left foot. It's okay, you've been really hot,

1046
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: and you put your left foot can handle the cold water,

1047
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: and then you put your left leg in, and you put

1048
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: your right foot and your leg and then your left

1049
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: hand and arm and your other hand and arm. And

1050
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 3: what that does it constricts the blood and your limbs

1051
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 3: and sends that hot blood into the core of your body.

1052
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: But you're still feeling okay even though you've got the

1053
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 3: cold water on your limbs. And then you keep breathing

1054
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 3: calmly and you smile to yourself, because that's what it's

1055
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: all about. How do you stay calm and have that

1056
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: inner piece, And then then you take a big breath

1057
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: in and before you put your left side in, you

1058
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: start to sigh out. And then you put your left

1059
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 3: side in, and when the water hits your neck and

1060
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 3: your sort of upper body. Normally that would when you

1061
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: go oh, it would make you have a big gasp

1062
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 3: because your blood dessels are close to the surface there

1063
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 3: and that gives you that shock. But if you're already

1064
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: going as you do that, you feel the cold, but

1065
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 3: you don't get the shock, so it takes the emotional

1066
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 3: reaction away from it. So you take a big sigh

1067
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: and you put your left side in, your right side in,

1068
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: your front side in, and you turn yourself around and

1069
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 3: you keeping calmly and smile to yourself, because that's what

1070
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: it's all about. And then you put your whole head

1071
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: in and then you move your head around, you know, standstill,

1072
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: get a drenching, slowly, turn yourself around, continue breathing, calmly.

1073
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: Smile to yourself. That's what it's all about.

1074
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 3: And then you can put the cold water on your

1075
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: kidneys when you're growing and on your arm pits, there

1076
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 3: are places where your bloodvessels are close to the surface,

1077
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 3: so it sort of chills your body a little bit.

1078
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: And you'll find after doing that, you'll be standing in

1079
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 3: the cold water and you say, oh, it's all right,

1080
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 3: I can do this, And at that point you're breathing calmly,

1081
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: you're in the cold water. You get out and you

1082
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 3: start your day. And it takes about a minute, like

1083
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: literally one minute to do that. And if you do it,

1084
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 3: you started your day singing and dancing. You come out

1085
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: feeling amazingly alive and invincible. Your hair and your skin

1086
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: improoves because cold water actually is really good for your

1087
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: hair and your skin, and you feel like you can

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00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: do anything. And the hardest part of that whole thing

1089
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: is the decision to do it. It doesn't cost any money,

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00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 3: it doesn't take any time. I mean saves money, you're

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00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 3: saving hot water. But that decision to do it is

1092
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: that barrier. But if you can overcome that barrier, that

1093
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 3: procrastination barrier, that can then have like a rollover effect

1094
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 3: for the rest of your life. So that difficult conversation

1095
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: you want to you had to have, or that job,

1096
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 3: that shitty job you really didn't want to do Suddenly, okay,

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00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 3: I can just do it, and you just make the

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00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 3: decision to do it, and you do it knowing that

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Speaker 3: it's not the best thing to do. You know, it's

1100
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Speaker 3: not the most fun thing to do, but it's actually

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00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 3: fun overcoming.

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Speaker 1: That hurdle once we get fully immersed, Mark, once I'm

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Speaker 1: all in head, yeah, everything pits knackers. How how long

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00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: do I stay and need to stay under there? Thirty

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Speaker 1: sixty not.

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Speaker 3: Even just to the point where you're breathing comfortably, right,

1107
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 3: so that once you're breathing comfortably, that's the biggest hurdle.

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Speaker 3: Now there is an added benefit if you can get

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00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 3: to the point where you become shivery. So at the

1110
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 3: point of you're not shivering and chattering, but if you're

1111
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 3: a little bit shivery, then what you've dropped, you've dropped

1112
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Speaker 3: your body temperature, and that does things like activate brown fat,

1113
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: which helps you burn white fat, and that turns on

1114
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: your metabolism, has other benefits. But just the benefit of

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Speaker 3: overcoming the cold and showing that you can actually overcome

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Speaker 3: a difficult situation of be calm just to the point

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Speaker 3: where you're in the cold, breathing calmly that's all you need.

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Speaker 1: At that point, you're good to go. Well, if you

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Speaker 1: know what today's activity is, don't you? Hi, Mark, You're amazing.

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Speaker 1: We know you've got another podcast coming up. How do

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00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: people find you? Follow you, connect with you, read your

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Speaker 1: poems and learn more about you and your work.

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Speaker 3: So my website is Dr Mark Dr M A r

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Speaker 3: C dot Co. I post a bit on Facebook and

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Speaker 3: on LinkedIn. I'm not really on Instagram. I need to

1126
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 3: up my social media. But yeah, on my website of

1127
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 3: Facebook or LinkedIn the main sort of avenues, they can

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Speaker 3: email me info I n fo at doctor Mark dot Co.

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00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 3: They can email me for people you know want to

1130
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 3: communicate with me at all. Yeah, and I'm upgrading my website.

1131
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Speaker 3: But all my poems and stuff are there at the moment,

1132
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Speaker 3: and they're all free, and I'm happy to share.

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Speaker 1: Well, we would love to have you back because you're

1134
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: a killer, But we'll say goodbye. We'll say goodbye off

1135
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: air in a moment, but for the minute. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for coming to have a chat with us on

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Speaker 1: typ We really appreciate it. I've been a pleasure, Craig,

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Speaker 1: and I'm good luck with your training. Tipt sounds like

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00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: you can be doing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mark. It'd be rude for me to have

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00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 2: a favorite on typ but I think I just have one.

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Speaker 2: I think Mark's just Yeah, you're amazing. I love that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've got more poems I can share next time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stay there, mate, we'll say goodbye. Thanks everyone. Now

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Speaker 1: you've got lots of things to action, because that was

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Speaker 1: fantastic