1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Appod Jake Production. 2 00:00:15,201 --> 00:00:18,681 Speaker 2: Well, hi everyone, and welcome back to the Missing Matter. 3 00:00:18,801 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: This is actually going to be just a chat with 4 00:00:21,121 --> 00:00:24,041 Speaker 2: Jay and I. We are doing a rap. I guess 5 00:00:24,401 --> 00:00:27,361 Speaker 2: it's been a very busy few months for me, and 6 00:00:27,401 --> 00:00:32,121 Speaker 2: what probably started off as just doing a podcast about 7 00:00:32,161 --> 00:00:35,401 Speaker 2: what Joanie and I had done on our overseas trip 8 00:00:35,441 --> 00:00:37,681 Speaker 2: and a little bit of background information on what we 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,921 Speaker 2: had done after the inquest happened, and then I sort 10 00:00:41,921 --> 00:00:44,601 Speaker 2: of just had this idea that maybe I could help 11 00:00:44,641 --> 00:00:48,081 Speaker 2: other people tell their stories in a similar way that 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,281 Speaker 2: I did, because I feel like there is a lot 13 00:00:50,321 --> 00:00:52,561 Speaker 2: more value in listening to the people who are living 14 00:00:52,601 --> 00:00:55,881 Speaker 2: it rather than journalists telling stories. And I'm not a 15 00:00:55,961 --> 00:00:58,801 Speaker 2: journal I'm certainly not a podcaster. 16 00:00:59,081 --> 00:01:00,921 Speaker 1: People might suggest otherwise. 17 00:01:00,961 --> 00:01:06,481 Speaker 2: I feel about thirty episodes down and I'm writing those episodes. 18 00:01:06,681 --> 00:01:10,641 Speaker 2: I'm making contact with the families in a very gentle, 19 00:01:11,241 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: careful process because I understand the empathy and the compassion 20 00:01:16,121 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: that you need to show when you're doing these sorts 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,681 Speaker 2: of things. It's very hard for people to pull themselves 22 00:01:20,761 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: out of a very raw situation and actually tell these stories. 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,761 Speaker 1: So I don't rush it. 24 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,641 Speaker 2: I don't have generic questions I do a lot of 25 00:01:28,681 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: research and a lot of background into the stories to 26 00:01:31,121 --> 00:01:33,121 Speaker 2: make sure that we can talk about things that maybe 27 00:01:33,121 --> 00:01:36,361 Speaker 2: people haven't heard about as well and their experiences. So 28 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,521 Speaker 2: sometimes the episodes we can talk for two hours each episode. 29 00:01:40,521 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: And hence why I don't have much of a voice 30 00:01:42,601 --> 00:01:45,521 Speaker 2: of late, because I've recorded three episodes this week. But 31 00:01:45,721 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: we are going to have a little bit of a 32 00:01:46,881 --> 00:01:52,441 Speaker 2: break over Christmas and before the next season happens, And yeah, 33 00:01:52,521 --> 00:01:54,161 Speaker 2: Jay and I thought we might jump in and have 34 00:01:54,241 --> 00:01:55,281 Speaker 2: a chat about how. 35 00:01:55,121 --> 00:01:56,721 Speaker 1: This has rolled out. 36 00:01:56,881 --> 00:01:59,321 Speaker 3: And so what's interesting about this is today I'll be 37 00:01:59,361 --> 00:02:01,681 Speaker 3: asking the questions and you'll be answering them. 38 00:02:01,681 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: If that's okay, that's perfectly fine, and I'll. 39 00:02:03,761 --> 00:02:05,961 Speaker 4: Be gentle like kill gentlemen. I'll try it to be. 40 00:02:06,481 --> 00:02:09,401 Speaker 3: My first question for you, sala is putting aside the 41 00:02:09,521 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: work you did with Joni at the start of the 42 00:02:11,441 --> 00:02:14,761 Speaker 3: Missing Matter when we launched, and really these last sixteen 43 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,161 Speaker 3: episodes that you've done around other people's missing persons cases. 44 00:02:19,281 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: How you feeling. 45 00:02:20,641 --> 00:02:24,601 Speaker 2: I really appreciate the opportunity that these people give me 46 00:02:24,721 --> 00:02:26,601 Speaker 2: to be able to tell their stories. 47 00:02:26,921 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie. 48 00:02:27,881 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: I'm a little exhausted because I take it on board, 49 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,761 Speaker 2: and every time I'm telling a story or doing research, 50 00:02:35,081 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: I'm triggered again by the fact that this is still 51 00:02:38,881 --> 00:02:41,881 Speaker 2: happening in today's Well, my mum's been missing twenty eight years. 52 00:02:41,921 --> 00:02:45,281 Speaker 2: I really would have hoped that by bringing awareness and 53 00:02:45,321 --> 00:02:48,121 Speaker 2: doing podcasts like The Lady Vanishers and The Teacher's Pet 54 00:02:48,161 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: and Bromwin, that things would be done differently and better. 55 00:02:52,641 --> 00:02:53,441 Speaker 1: And it's just not. 56 00:02:54,481 --> 00:02:57,001 Speaker 3: And is that when you're hearing known in the last 57 00:02:57,041 --> 00:03:00,601 Speaker 3: couple of conversations you've had where police have done nothing 58 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,921 Speaker 3: or all of those sort of things that have happened 59 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,521 Speaker 3: in your mum's case, you're hearing back from other people. 60 00:03:07,601 --> 00:03:10,761 Speaker 3: And in one of the recent episodes that we've just released, 61 00:03:11,161 --> 00:03:13,841 Speaker 3: you talk to someone who's missing person has just really 62 00:03:13,881 --> 00:03:17,241 Speaker 3: happened like five months ago, and so you're going, Okay, well, 63 00:03:17,281 --> 00:03:20,441 Speaker 3: my mom went missing twenty eight years ago, and not lots. 64 00:03:20,641 --> 00:03:22,521 Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like a lot's changed. 65 00:03:23,321 --> 00:03:27,161 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's really really stressful actually to talk to 66 00:03:27,201 --> 00:03:29,721 Speaker 2: those people, and you know, I put myself in their position, 67 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: and I bring myself back to when I was two 68 00:03:32,161 --> 00:03:34,321 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty days missing with my mum and how 69 00:03:34,361 --> 00:03:37,041 Speaker 2: I was feeling fast forward that too. I don't even 70 00:03:37,081 --> 00:03:39,121 Speaker 2: know how many days my mom's been missing now, it's 71 00:03:39,121 --> 00:03:41,401 Speaker 2: probably fourteen thousand, some crazy number. 72 00:03:42,321 --> 00:03:43,401 Speaker 1: You know, it's. 73 00:03:43,121 --> 00:03:46,641 Speaker 2: Challenging, it's I feel that it's rewarding in a way 74 00:03:46,641 --> 00:03:48,681 Speaker 2: as well, because we're giving them a voice. And that's 75 00:03:48,721 --> 00:03:50,041 Speaker 2: why I wanted to say to you, or you do 76 00:03:50,121 --> 00:03:53,321 Speaker 2: this with me and help me to edit them and 77 00:03:53,401 --> 00:03:57,081 Speaker 2: produce them in a really great way so that it's 78 00:03:57,121 --> 00:03:59,761 Speaker 2: easy listening for people. You know, I've learned a lot 79 00:03:59,881 --> 00:04:04,001 Speaker 2: through doing episodes, and I take on everyone's feedback to 80 00:04:04,161 --> 00:04:06,081 Speaker 2: you know, if that music's too or you know, you're 81 00:04:06,121 --> 00:04:08,401 Speaker 2: in a cafe and we can't hear you, and sometimes 82 00:04:08,481 --> 00:04:11,521 Speaker 2: they're just reality of where you are and what's happening 83 00:04:11,601 --> 00:04:13,361 Speaker 2: at that moment. You might be driving in a car 84 00:04:13,481 --> 00:04:16,561 Speaker 2: and you want to try and capture something. But it's 85 00:04:16,601 --> 00:04:19,041 Speaker 2: a huge privilege to be able to do this, you know, 86 00:04:19,401 --> 00:04:22,041 Speaker 2: the idea of doing the missing matter on an individual 87 00:04:22,121 --> 00:04:26,441 Speaker 2: storyline basis and having an hour given dedicated to one 88 00:04:26,481 --> 00:04:29,241 Speaker 2: person's case, which you know, in the scheme of things, 89 00:04:29,281 --> 00:04:31,121 Speaker 2: is not even a lot, right, like we should be 90 00:04:31,161 --> 00:04:34,481 Speaker 2: dedicating a lot more, but it's better than nothing, and 91 00:04:34,601 --> 00:04:37,601 Speaker 2: it's giving those families a voice in a safe space 92 00:04:37,801 --> 00:04:40,801 Speaker 2: to tell us their stories, tell us how they're feeling. 93 00:04:40,921 --> 00:04:44,241 Speaker 2: I've become connected with those people on a different level too, 94 00:04:44,401 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: because you dive right in right like, I'm becoming friends 95 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,841 Speaker 2: with these people and wanting to help them and guide 96 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: them if I can, or just be there as a 97 00:04:51,521 --> 00:04:56,001 Speaker 2: support person. But you know, I initially thought of doing 98 00:04:56,041 --> 00:04:57,881 Speaker 2: this because I think I said to you, I had 99 00:04:57,921 --> 00:05:00,841 Speaker 2: a lady who actually said to me when I was 100 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,801 Speaker 2: doing the lady vanishes, She's like, oh my gosh, like 101 00:05:02,841 --> 00:05:05,361 Speaker 2: I just really want someone to do something about my 102 00:05:05,361 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: my dad matters. And you've got this big podcast and 103 00:05:08,401 --> 00:05:10,601 Speaker 2: everyone's talking about your missing person, but no one's talking 104 00:05:10,601 --> 00:05:13,481 Speaker 2: about my missing person. And that's kind of where this 105 00:05:13,561 --> 00:05:16,161 Speaker 2: all came from and stemmed from. And I thought, you know, 106 00:05:16,641 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: there are people who get lots of attention in the media. 107 00:05:20,121 --> 00:05:24,601 Speaker 2: It's usually trauma driven, which is really disappointing, but that's 108 00:05:24,641 --> 00:05:28,361 Speaker 2: what selles newspapers and people turn on the TV for unfortunately, 109 00:05:29,001 --> 00:05:30,921 Speaker 2: and I wanted to be able to share it with 110 00:05:30,961 --> 00:05:34,801 Speaker 2: people who had no media and had no platform. 111 00:05:35,241 --> 00:05:36,801 Speaker 1: So that's where how this whole thing started. 112 00:05:36,921 --> 00:05:40,401 Speaker 2: And then I've realized as I've been journeying through and 113 00:05:40,601 --> 00:05:44,481 Speaker 2: approaching people. So the people who are active and are 114 00:05:44,481 --> 00:05:47,161 Speaker 2: on social media and are trying to do Missing Persons 115 00:05:47,161 --> 00:05:50,881 Speaker 2: Week and doing whatever news and media they can, they're 116 00:05:50,921 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: the ones that had jumped in straight away. And the 117 00:05:53,241 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: people that haven't got it are the people that I've 118 00:05:56,241 --> 00:05:58,281 Speaker 2: approached and they've said, oh, yes, I'd really like to, 119 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,521 Speaker 2: but then I never hear from them again. So this 120 00:06:01,641 --> 00:06:05,241 Speaker 2: podcast will only keep working if people actually want to 121 00:06:05,241 --> 00:06:09,561 Speaker 2: help share their stories. And we do have a little 122 00:06:09,601 --> 00:06:11,561 Speaker 2: bit of a lineup for next year already. I've been 123 00:06:11,601 --> 00:06:15,881 Speaker 2: talking to some people and some really important and unbelievable 124 00:06:15,921 --> 00:06:18,921 Speaker 2: stories actually of what's coming in the next season. But 125 00:06:19,121 --> 00:06:21,721 Speaker 2: it does come down to the fact that it's up 126 00:06:21,761 --> 00:06:24,561 Speaker 2: to the families if they would like to join us 127 00:06:24,801 --> 00:06:26,481 Speaker 2: and telling their stories and. 128 00:06:26,401 --> 00:06:29,121 Speaker 3: Helping them, and if you're happy for me to talk 129 00:06:29,161 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: about it. I think we had a conversation no less 130 00:06:32,761 --> 00:06:36,561 Speaker 3: than three weeks ago where yourself, myself, Chris, and Lauren 131 00:06:37,081 --> 00:06:40,921 Speaker 3: sat down and talked about whether the Missing Matter would continue. 132 00:06:41,601 --> 00:06:43,561 Speaker 3: There was a bunch of things going on at that time. 133 00:06:43,641 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 3: There's you, which is you bear the brunch of these conversations, 134 00:06:48,041 --> 00:06:50,801 Speaker 3: not taking away from anyone that's sharing the conversation with you, 135 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: but there are a lot to take Equally, what you 136 00:06:54,641 --> 00:06:57,961 Speaker 3: thought would be a plethora of people who hadn't had 137 00:06:57,961 --> 00:07:02,241 Speaker 3: their stories told are harder to find, and some don't 138 00:07:02,561 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: want to tell their story. And so I think what 139 00:07:05,241 --> 00:07:07,801 Speaker 3: you're saying is that if you do know someone or 140 00:07:07,841 --> 00:07:11,201 Speaker 3: have someone that's that's been impacted by a missing person 141 00:07:11,321 --> 00:07:14,641 Speaker 3: story and hasn't had their story told, then this is 142 00:07:14,681 --> 00:07:17,721 Speaker 3: a safe, gentle space to tell that story. 143 00:07:18,281 --> 00:07:21,121 Speaker 2: And I think the feedback that we keep getting is 144 00:07:21,201 --> 00:07:25,321 Speaker 2: that the podcast is excellent, Like I'm getting such good feedback. 145 00:07:25,361 --> 00:07:27,881 Speaker 2: And I woke up yesterday morning actually and my daughter 146 00:07:27,961 --> 00:07:31,441 Speaker 2: and her partner they're all texting me because they're at work, 147 00:07:31,481 --> 00:07:33,961 Speaker 2: and everyone was like, oh my god, your mum's podcast 148 00:07:33,961 --> 00:07:36,881 Speaker 2: has made the top twenty five for twenty twenty five. 149 00:07:37,081 --> 00:07:40,921 Speaker 2: Wrappa episodes are wrapped, and that was actually it wasn't 150 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:43,041 Speaker 2: the Missing Matter, but it was me talking about the 151 00:07:43,081 --> 00:07:46,001 Speaker 2: Missing Matter with Gary Jubilan, which made the top twenty 152 00:07:46,081 --> 00:07:46,881 Speaker 2: five episodes. 153 00:07:46,921 --> 00:07:51,641 Speaker 3: And to capture that, I was doing something yesterday and 154 00:07:51,841 --> 00:07:54,041 Speaker 3: I've got a bunch of friends that obviously listen to 155 00:07:54,921 --> 00:07:57,601 Speaker 3: podcasts that we make, and we obviously make a few, 156 00:07:57,641 --> 00:08:00,521 Speaker 3: and I had a few. Text me wan Amanda in particular, 157 00:08:00,561 --> 00:08:04,081 Speaker 3: who her top show for twenty twenty five was The 158 00:08:04,081 --> 00:08:06,521 Speaker 3: Missing Matter. Yeah right, and she said I'll post it 159 00:08:06,561 --> 00:08:09,081 Speaker 3: later and I was like, oh, that's lovely. And she 160 00:08:09,121 --> 00:08:11,441 Speaker 3: doesn't have a missing person, but she's interested in hearing 161 00:08:11,481 --> 00:08:12,841 Speaker 3: the stories to try and help me. 162 00:08:12,841 --> 00:08:13,481 Speaker 4: Wherever she can. 163 00:08:13,721 --> 00:08:16,401 Speaker 2: And look, I've always been a big put my hand 164 00:08:16,441 --> 00:08:19,081 Speaker 2: on my heart and say, this is not about winning awards, right, 165 00:08:19,121 --> 00:08:23,561 Speaker 2: this is about reach ye, and it's about exposure and 166 00:08:24,001 --> 00:08:27,881 Speaker 2: understanding and teachings. Because the amount of people that I 167 00:08:27,921 --> 00:08:29,601 Speaker 2: talk to and they don't know what a piece of 168 00:08:29,641 --> 00:08:31,641 Speaker 2: an NIB form is or they don't know what a 169 00:08:31,721 --> 00:08:34,841 Speaker 2: grant approbate is, so they don't understand that going through 170 00:08:34,881 --> 00:08:38,161 Speaker 2: the stress of trying to get a death certificate when 171 00:08:38,161 --> 00:08:41,521 Speaker 2: you have a missing person. And I'm sure Cas won't 172 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:43,761 Speaker 2: mind me mentioning this, but she texts me this morning 173 00:08:43,921 --> 00:08:46,001 Speaker 2: and said, sal I'm getting ready to do my death 174 00:08:46,001 --> 00:08:50,721 Speaker 2: certificate for Aaron, but it says where was his body located? 175 00:08:51,481 --> 00:08:53,841 Speaker 1: She's like, He's not located, Like, how do I. 176 00:08:53,921 --> 00:08:56,561 Speaker 2: And so this is this is the problem right that 177 00:08:56,601 --> 00:08:59,721 Speaker 2: we're faced in the missing space, and it's just about 178 00:09:00,481 --> 00:09:04,241 Speaker 2: bringing some awareness, bringing a lot of support, is what 179 00:09:04,281 --> 00:09:06,201 Speaker 2: that's about. And I sort of thought about it the 180 00:09:06,241 --> 00:09:07,921 Speaker 2: other day and I thought, you know, people could email 181 00:09:08,001 --> 00:09:11,681 Speaker 2: me at info at the missingmatter dot com, just a nice, 182 00:09:11,761 --> 00:09:15,081 Speaker 2: gentle letter, just like go back to old times. I 183 00:09:15,081 --> 00:09:17,841 Speaker 2: know we don't post letters anymore, but you know, maybe 184 00:09:17,881 --> 00:09:20,561 Speaker 2: it's coming up to Christmas. Maybe some of those families, 185 00:09:20,561 --> 00:09:23,121 Speaker 2: if you've heard a podcast episode that's really touched you, 186 00:09:23,161 --> 00:09:25,881 Speaker 2: maybe maybe right to that person and send it to 187 00:09:25,961 --> 00:09:27,761 Speaker 2: me and all forward it to them so that they 188 00:09:27,761 --> 00:09:30,921 Speaker 2: can actually read and just get some nice words and 189 00:09:31,041 --> 00:09:34,081 Speaker 2: nice support at a very hard time. Christmas is a 190 00:09:34,081 --> 00:09:37,001 Speaker 2: hard time for everybody in a missing space. And you know, 191 00:09:37,081 --> 00:09:39,641 Speaker 2: this year has been particularly tricky for me. I've had 192 00:09:39,681 --> 00:09:42,241 Speaker 2: lots of things going on, my dad being probably the 193 00:09:42,241 --> 00:09:44,841 Speaker 2: main thing, and I've had to sort of you will know, Jay, 194 00:09:44,881 --> 00:09:46,241 Speaker 2: like I've been in here and I'm like, I've got 195 00:09:46,241 --> 00:09:47,961 Speaker 2: to run to the nursing home straight from here, and 196 00:09:48,001 --> 00:09:49,801 Speaker 2: I've run out to where I had to go, and 197 00:09:50,121 --> 00:09:52,561 Speaker 2: he was forty minutes from where I was living, and 198 00:09:52,921 --> 00:09:54,881 Speaker 2: so I have been running around like a chuck with 199 00:09:54,921 --> 00:09:57,521 Speaker 2: my head cut off. I still work full time, and 200 00:09:57,681 --> 00:10:00,081 Speaker 2: you know, I've had Caleb finishing school, I've had Darcy 201 00:10:00,081 --> 00:10:00,841 Speaker 2: finishing UNI. 202 00:10:01,881 --> 00:10:03,921 Speaker 1: I've been a lot, been a lot. 203 00:10:03,961 --> 00:10:05,761 Speaker 4: And so we definitely need a break. 204 00:10:06,481 --> 00:10:07,681 Speaker 1: We definitely need a break. 205 00:10:07,761 --> 00:10:11,201 Speaker 3: Yes, So before we go any further, I wanted to 206 00:10:11,241 --> 00:10:14,841 Speaker 3: know whether you want to see some stats about Oh sure, yeah, 207 00:10:14,921 --> 00:10:16,121 Speaker 3: I share with the audience. 208 00:10:16,441 --> 00:10:18,281 Speaker 4: I've got my laptop, so let me go that first. 209 00:10:18,401 --> 00:10:19,961 Speaker 1: Yeah, going back to that too. 210 00:10:20,041 --> 00:10:22,921 Speaker 2: I think I've been being able to reflect on my 211 00:10:23,721 --> 00:10:27,041 Speaker 2: past experiences with, say doing The Lady Vanishers, which was 212 00:10:27,121 --> 00:10:30,241 Speaker 2: driven by Channel seven. So you know, if there was 213 00:10:30,281 --> 00:10:33,001 Speaker 2: something happening or a podcast episode was coming out, Channel 214 00:10:33,001 --> 00:10:36,281 Speaker 2: seven could do a news flash at the end of 215 00:10:36,441 --> 00:10:39,041 Speaker 2: the news and everyone could see that, you know, oh 216 00:10:39,081 --> 00:10:40,881 Speaker 2: there's a new episode coming out and this is what's 217 00:10:40,881 --> 00:10:44,001 Speaker 2: in the episode and this and that drives listeners. 218 00:10:44,041 --> 00:10:46,041 Speaker 1: That drives people to see and hear. 219 00:10:46,201 --> 00:10:48,201 Speaker 2: And it's the same with you know, Dear Rochelle was 220 00:10:48,241 --> 00:10:51,721 Speaker 2: such a popular podcast and it had the backing from 221 00:10:51,961 --> 00:10:54,801 Speaker 2: NewsCorp and through the Daily Telegraph, so it's on front 222 00:10:54,841 --> 00:10:57,001 Speaker 2: page of the paper and people who don't listen to 223 00:10:57,041 --> 00:10:58,921 Speaker 2: podcasts might go, oh, my gosh, I didn't know about 224 00:10:58,961 --> 00:11:01,201 Speaker 2: that story, and that does make a big difference when 225 00:11:01,561 --> 00:11:04,121 Speaker 2: you're trying to get the reach. And I think I'm 226 00:11:04,121 --> 00:11:06,481 Speaker 2: pretty proud of the fact that all the people who 227 00:11:06,521 --> 00:11:10,201 Speaker 2: are listening to us right now, they're the ones responsible 228 00:11:10,281 --> 00:11:12,721 Speaker 2: for helping with that reach because they're sharing it, they're 229 00:11:12,761 --> 00:11:18,641 Speaker 2: talking about it, they're listening, they're subscribing, they're downloading the episodes, 230 00:11:18,721 --> 00:11:21,201 Speaker 2: and that actually just helps building our algorithm to get 231 00:11:21,281 --> 00:11:23,881 Speaker 2: us to where we are. And that's really just comes 232 00:11:23,921 --> 00:11:26,041 Speaker 2: down to the more people that hear it, the more 233 00:11:26,161 --> 00:11:27,641 Speaker 2: chance we have of finding answers. 234 00:11:28,921 --> 00:11:32,121 Speaker 3: Well, the show's been going for seven months and five days, okay, 235 00:11:32,281 --> 00:11:35,081 Speaker 3: so just to let you know this is this will 236 00:11:35,121 --> 00:11:36,881 Speaker 3: be about episode nineteen. 237 00:11:36,961 --> 00:11:40,241 Speaker 1: I think if you include Mum's episodes thirty. 238 00:11:40,361 --> 00:11:43,801 Speaker 3: Yeah, so nineteen of the Missing Matter version two YEP 239 00:11:44,401 --> 00:11:47,121 Speaker 3: so far six hundred and eighty five, one hundred and 240 00:11:47,201 --> 00:11:50,161 Speaker 3: ninety downloads, So by the end of the year, I 241 00:11:50,161 --> 00:11:53,561 Speaker 3: would expect that to be closer to about nine hundred thousand, 242 00:11:53,601 --> 00:11:57,761 Speaker 3: close to the million, which is phenomenal. Anyone that's listened 243 00:11:57,761 --> 00:12:01,281 Speaker 3: to a podcast or ever started a podcast knows that 244 00:12:01,281 --> 00:12:04,961 Speaker 3: that number is pretty bloody good and then I love 245 00:12:05,121 --> 00:12:07,321 Speaker 3: looking at the stats on where people are listening. So 246 00:12:07,401 --> 00:12:10,481 Speaker 3: of course Australia is the biggest place that everyone listens, 247 00:12:10,481 --> 00:12:13,641 Speaker 3: but I like to go to the smallest place where 248 00:12:13,681 --> 00:12:18,201 Speaker 3: people listen. So you have a listener in Syria, you 249 00:12:18,241 --> 00:12:21,841 Speaker 3: have a listener in Cuba, you have two listeners in Yemen, 250 00:12:22,721 --> 00:12:25,401 Speaker 3: two in Palestine. And then if you go to the 251 00:12:25,521 --> 00:12:32,761 Speaker 3: top ten countries Australia, the United Kingdom, New Zealand, the US, Ireland, Canada, Netherlands, 252 00:12:32,801 --> 00:12:37,601 Speaker 3: South Africa, Germany and Spain, it's pretty amazing. So what 253 00:12:37,921 --> 00:12:42,281 Speaker 3: you hoped was sharing stories around Australian missing persons has 254 00:12:42,321 --> 00:12:46,721 Speaker 3: actually gone international. You actually have a good sized audience 255 00:12:46,841 --> 00:12:51,041 Speaker 3: in the UK, New Zealand and the US, and so 256 00:12:51,961 --> 00:12:55,961 Speaker 3: these stories are transcending not just people who have missing 257 00:12:56,001 --> 00:12:58,401 Speaker 3: love to ones in Australia. And I know that we've 258 00:12:58,441 --> 00:13:00,721 Speaker 3: already done a couple of interviews with people in the 259 00:13:00,761 --> 00:13:02,361 Speaker 3: States and the UK. 260 00:13:02,761 --> 00:13:05,041 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a bonus episode coming out in January, 261 00:13:05,241 --> 00:13:07,481 Speaker 2: which isn't about a missing person, but just about the 262 00:13:07,561 --> 00:13:10,841 Speaker 2: interesting reach that podcasts and the platform have. 263 00:13:11,081 --> 00:13:13,641 Speaker 3: Correct And that's someone that heard your story. It was 264 00:13:13,681 --> 00:13:14,681 Speaker 3: like I need to talk to. 265 00:13:14,641 --> 00:13:17,481 Speaker 1: Her, and she has a very interesting story herself. 266 00:13:17,161 --> 00:13:19,921 Speaker 3: Phenomenal story, right, So that'll come out in sort of 267 00:13:20,041 --> 00:13:23,321 Speaker 3: mid January. But I know we've spoken about a plan 268 00:13:23,401 --> 00:13:27,481 Speaker 3: that maybe we'll talk about some international cases in coming seasons, 269 00:13:27,561 --> 00:13:27,721 Speaker 3: and I. 270 00:13:27,681 --> 00:13:28,761 Speaker 1: Would like to do that too. 271 00:13:28,881 --> 00:13:31,321 Speaker 2: And I think one of the things you told me 272 00:13:31,361 --> 00:13:34,961 Speaker 2: a while ago is that in podcasting, because obviously I've 273 00:13:35,001 --> 00:13:37,521 Speaker 2: never been in the back end of podcasting, I'm usually 274 00:13:37,601 --> 00:13:39,961 Speaker 2: just Allison always used to refer to me as the talent. 275 00:13:40,801 --> 00:13:43,321 Speaker 2: What I found interesting the most was that you said 276 00:13:43,361 --> 00:13:45,201 Speaker 2: to me that I don't know what the number was, 277 00:13:45,241 --> 00:13:47,801 Speaker 2: but it was pretty high. A high percentage of people 278 00:13:47,841 --> 00:13:51,841 Speaker 2: listening to The Missing Matter are listening through the whole episode. 279 00:13:52,041 --> 00:13:54,081 Speaker 2: If you're only listening and tapping in for ten minutes 280 00:13:54,121 --> 00:13:58,241 Speaker 2: and then tapping out, maybe you're not invested in the story. 281 00:13:58,281 --> 00:14:01,561 Speaker 2: But in The Missing Matter, we've got this huge statistic, 282 00:14:02,241 --> 00:14:05,681 Speaker 2: a fact that people are actually listening to the entire episode, 283 00:14:06,321 --> 00:14:09,441 Speaker 2: which is really important to hear because we start with 284 00:14:09,521 --> 00:14:12,641 Speaker 2: a very important topic of who this person is and 285 00:14:12,641 --> 00:14:14,801 Speaker 2: we finish with why they matter. So it's really important 286 00:14:14,801 --> 00:14:18,921 Speaker 2: that people do listen the entirety of the episode. 287 00:14:18,961 --> 00:14:21,201 Speaker 3: And those thatats are ninety seven percent of people that 288 00:14:21,241 --> 00:14:23,641 Speaker 3: listen to the episodes follow them through right to the 289 00:14:23,721 --> 00:14:27,921 Speaker 3: end of which phenomenal, which means you're making an impact 290 00:14:27,921 --> 00:14:31,161 Speaker 3: in a way that people are firstly interested in hearing 291 00:14:31,281 --> 00:14:35,561 Speaker 3: the start and the end of an episode. So we've 292 00:14:35,601 --> 00:14:38,481 Speaker 3: got a little bit of time between this episode and 293 00:14:38,521 --> 00:14:40,721 Speaker 3: when we release a new episode. Obviously the one with 294 00:14:40,761 --> 00:14:44,121 Speaker 3: Stephanie will be in mid January. We also know that 295 00:14:44,201 --> 00:14:48,401 Speaker 3: January is quite a different time for people. Kids aren't 296 00:14:48,401 --> 00:14:51,721 Speaker 3: back at school, there's no commute really going on up 297 00:14:51,801 --> 00:14:54,761 Speaker 3: until that sort of twenty fifth of January. We have 298 00:14:54,961 --> 00:14:58,801 Speaker 3: different vibes, so you need a break, and then we're 299 00:14:58,841 --> 00:15:02,881 Speaker 3: coming back sort of early feb with our first episode 300 00:15:02,881 --> 00:15:04,361 Speaker 3: of season three of The Missing Matter. 301 00:15:05,081 --> 00:15:06,241 Speaker 4: What are you going to do over the break? 302 00:15:06,321 --> 00:15:11,961 Speaker 2: So no, I actually have to do my submission for 303 00:15:12,001 --> 00:15:16,481 Speaker 2: the parliamentary inquiry actually, so I'm having I'm having the 304 00:15:16,481 --> 00:15:19,321 Speaker 2: rest of December off. I'm Chris and I and the 305 00:15:19,401 --> 00:15:22,521 Speaker 2: kids are doing some nice things together, which I think 306 00:15:22,561 --> 00:15:25,121 Speaker 2: is really important and brings a lot of value to 307 00:15:25,241 --> 00:15:28,881 Speaker 2: your families when you are having very busy times. Chris 308 00:15:28,921 --> 00:15:31,321 Speaker 2: has always been supportive, as everyone knows, and the kids 309 00:15:31,321 --> 00:15:33,201 Speaker 2: are great, but there's. 310 00:15:33,041 --> 00:15:34,641 Speaker 1: A lot happening in our world too. 311 00:15:34,961 --> 00:15:37,761 Speaker 2: Caleb's already had an offer for university to go and 312 00:15:37,801 --> 00:15:40,921 Speaker 2: do law away from Brisbane, so that means that he 313 00:15:40,961 --> 00:15:45,801 Speaker 2: will have to board and potentially starting in early January. 314 00:15:45,441 --> 00:15:46,801 Speaker 4: So Mum feeling about that. 315 00:15:48,761 --> 00:15:49,441 Speaker 1: I don't know who. 316 00:15:50,681 --> 00:15:53,801 Speaker 2: His ATA obviously comes out in a couple of weeks, 317 00:15:53,841 --> 00:15:56,281 Speaker 2: so if I can convince him to stay in Brisbane, 318 00:15:56,321 --> 00:15:57,921 Speaker 2: I'll try my hardest. 319 00:15:58,081 --> 00:16:00,921 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to hear that, but he's got a 320 00:16:00,961 --> 00:16:01,761 Speaker 1: podcast now. 321 00:16:02,041 --> 00:16:04,001 Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's got his heart set on doing that, 322 00:16:04,041 --> 00:16:06,681 Speaker 2: and it's all about supporting them and doing what's right 323 00:16:06,761 --> 00:16:09,001 Speaker 2: for them. And you know, he's got big dreams and 324 00:16:09,081 --> 00:16:13,121 Speaker 2: he's a highly motivated individual who does his own thing 325 00:16:13,161 --> 00:16:15,521 Speaker 2: and writes his own book, which I love and I 326 00:16:15,601 --> 00:16:19,081 Speaker 2: encourage a lot. And you know our Darcy girl, she's 327 00:16:19,921 --> 00:16:22,841 Speaker 2: finishing her degree in fashion design and it sort of 328 00:16:22,881 --> 00:16:24,921 Speaker 2: warms my heart because I know my mum would just 329 00:16:24,961 --> 00:16:28,481 Speaker 2: be absolutely tiggle pink that one of her children. 330 00:16:28,801 --> 00:16:30,361 Speaker 1: She's be proud of all her grandchildren. 331 00:16:30,401 --> 00:16:32,881 Speaker 2: But you know, she was such a fashionist to herself 332 00:16:32,921 --> 00:16:35,721 Speaker 2: and always was wearing something very different to what anyone 333 00:16:35,721 --> 00:16:38,041 Speaker 2: else would wear. You'd never see anybody wearing what my 334 00:16:38,121 --> 00:16:40,761 Speaker 2: mum was wearing because she'd found it at some boutique place, 335 00:16:40,921 --> 00:16:44,041 Speaker 2: or she'd had it designed herself and made, so I 336 00:16:44,041 --> 00:16:47,361 Speaker 2: think she'd be totally chuffed. We're going down to Melbourne 337 00:16:47,401 --> 00:16:51,041 Speaker 2: actually to go and watch Darcy's graduation, which is where 338 00:16:51,081 --> 00:16:54,201 Speaker 2: they actually have all of their collections, all their collections 339 00:16:54,201 --> 00:16:56,081 Speaker 2: on the runway, so she has to come out at 340 00:16:56,081 --> 00:16:57,321 Speaker 2: the end of the runway and stand. 341 00:16:57,321 --> 00:16:59,881 Speaker 1: They're like the fashion designer that she's going to be. 342 00:17:00,001 --> 00:17:03,201 Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's pretty cool that she's looking to 343 00:17:03,201 --> 00:17:05,721 Speaker 2: move to Sydney as well. So Chris like, very well, 344 00:17:05,761 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: maybe empty nesters next year, And I'm not sure how 345 00:17:09,001 --> 00:17:11,721 Speaker 2: I feel about that either, but we have two dogs, 346 00:17:11,921 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: so maybe the dogs will just be allowed upstairs. 347 00:17:15,921 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. 348 00:17:17,041 --> 00:17:19,561 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but you know, you just you want 349 00:17:19,561 --> 00:17:21,161 Speaker 2: the best for your family, and you want the best 350 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,961 Speaker 2: for the kids, and you know, our family has had 351 00:17:24,521 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: quite a lot of big hurdles I would say to 352 00:17:27,041 --> 00:17:30,521 Speaker 2: jump over, and you know, I'm really just happy that 353 00:17:30,721 --> 00:17:34,521 Speaker 2: they all seemingly healthy and well and doing what they 354 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 2: want to do in life and being nice people and 355 00:17:37,681 --> 00:17:38,321 Speaker 2: happy people. 356 00:17:38,561 --> 00:17:39,321 Speaker 1: That's the goal. 357 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 2: But we'll see what happens, see what the world brings. 358 00:17:44,441 --> 00:17:47,001 Speaker 2: I guess if I'm happy to keep I really like 359 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 2: doing the podcast. I get a lot of it's a 360 00:17:51,201 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: hard word to work out what it is. No, it's 361 00:17:54,321 --> 00:17:58,441 Speaker 2: definitely not joyful. It gives me a purpose I feel, maybe, 362 00:17:58,521 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: and feeling like I'm doing something good in this space 363 00:18:01,721 --> 00:18:05,521 Speaker 2: to help others. And the other thing to me two 364 00:18:05,681 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: is I had a meeting this week. 365 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: Now. 366 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: This was set up by a listener of the podcast, 367 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,041 Speaker 2: so she had heard about. 368 00:18:11,801 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: The green seat project. 369 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: She lives up in North Queensland and she just contacted 370 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,681 Speaker 2: me and said, hey, I've spoken to my local mayor's 371 00:18:17,721 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: office and they've said I can have a meeting with 372 00:18:20,721 --> 00:18:24,041 Speaker 2: him in his office. I think it was the third 373 00:18:24,241 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: of December. And I said, oh, well, I'm happy to 374 00:18:26,961 --> 00:18:29,281 Speaker 2: jump in if you're happy for me to contact them. 375 00:18:29,321 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 2: And we've done a flyer and we've captured the article 376 00:18:33,201 --> 00:18:35,681 Speaker 2: out of The Australian that Dave Murray did, which was awesome, 377 00:18:36,001 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 2: which just shows it's probably clout's the right word, but 378 00:18:38,961 --> 00:18:42,481 Speaker 2: it's not clout that we're seeking. It's just some verification 379 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: that this is actually a good purpose and going into 380 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,921 Speaker 2: a well renowned newspaper like the Australian and what we're 381 00:18:49,961 --> 00:18:51,121 Speaker 2: doing in that space. 382 00:18:51,481 --> 00:18:52,721 Speaker 1: So we had the meeting. 383 00:18:52,761 --> 00:18:55,281 Speaker 2: I jumped in via zoom and there was three gentlemen 384 00:18:55,321 --> 00:18:57,561 Speaker 2: there and they all just were like, this is such. 385 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: A great idea. 386 00:18:58,201 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 2: We want to support you and everybody who has a 387 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:06,001 Speaker 2: missing person. Very typically councils and local areas will not 388 00:19:06,481 --> 00:19:10,441 Speaker 2: promote doing memorials for people for individual people, but they said, 389 00:19:10,481 --> 00:19:12,561 Speaker 2: we can see that this is a bigger picture than 390 00:19:12,561 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 2: what you're trying to achieve here by doing this for 391 00:19:15,441 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: all the missing and they do matter, and we would 392 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: definitely like to jump on board and help you. So 393 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:24,441 Speaker 2: in the new year, they're even potentially talking about doing 394 00:19:24,521 --> 00:19:27,801 Speaker 2: a couple maybe not just one in that location. And 395 00:19:28,001 --> 00:19:30,001 Speaker 2: I guess I'm at the point with the green seat 396 00:19:30,041 --> 00:19:33,001 Speaker 2: project that i can't do it all by myself. So 397 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: if you live in an area and you have contacts 398 00:19:35,441 --> 00:19:37,761 Speaker 2: or you have someone, I'm going to say, i haven't 399 00:19:37,761 --> 00:19:39,881 Speaker 2: had a lot of luck with counsel, but I've had 400 00:19:39,921 --> 00:19:42,321 Speaker 2: a lot of luck with private entities who are run 401 00:19:42,321 --> 00:19:46,121 Speaker 2: by the government, like the Gold Coast Waterways Authority for example, 402 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 2: who did the first green seat down at the spit 403 00:19:48,441 --> 00:19:50,521 Speaker 2: on the Gold Coast, and I have lots of people 404 00:19:50,521 --> 00:19:52,961 Speaker 2: sending me photos of them going to the seat, sitting 405 00:19:53,001 --> 00:19:55,321 Speaker 2: on the seat, having some fish and chips there, which 406 00:19:55,481 --> 00:19:57,561 Speaker 2: my mum would have loved to have done, looking out 407 00:19:57,561 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: to a beautiful location. And I would just really like 408 00:20:00,321 --> 00:20:04,001 Speaker 2: to see that progress. And so I just encourage anybody 409 00:20:04,041 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: if you do have it in you and you would 410 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,761 Speaker 2: like to contact your local mayor or a local area 411 00:20:08,801 --> 00:20:10,241 Speaker 2: that you think we could. 412 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:10,801 Speaker 1: Put a seat. 413 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,681 Speaker 2: The repurposing seems to be the way to go because 414 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:15,801 Speaker 2: the seats to put a brand new seat in is 415 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,521 Speaker 2: so expensive. I just posted it on my Facebook page 416 00:20:18,521 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: the other day because I was absolutely astounded that Brisbane 417 00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:23,801 Speaker 2: City Council were charging fifteen thousand dollars for a bench 418 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 2: seat to go in in or can Flour and I. 419 00:20:26,801 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: Was like, what to you talking about? That's ridiculous. 420 00:20:29,241 --> 00:20:33,401 Speaker 2: So but the problem is they have different stipulations, right, 421 00:20:33,481 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 2: so if it's in an area it needs concrete, it 422 00:20:35,441 --> 00:20:37,041 Speaker 2: needs to be setting concrete and then it needs a 423 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,681 Speaker 2: crane to be craning the seat into position and then 424 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 2: they do that. They could put them in concrete a 425 00:20:41,921 --> 00:20:44,041 Speaker 2: lot I've learnt because they don't want to whip a 426 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,041 Speaker 2: snip around the edge of the base of the seat, 427 00:20:47,201 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: and then some seats need arms at the end of 428 00:20:49,761 --> 00:20:53,281 Speaker 2: them so disabled people can sit for disability purposes, so 429 00:20:53,321 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: people can get up out of the seat. But you know, 430 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,721 Speaker 2: just having a chair that we could repaint and put 431 00:20:58,761 --> 00:21:01,881 Speaker 2: the plaque on and take them with that QR code 432 00:21:01,921 --> 00:21:05,321 Speaker 2: to the website, that would probably be the cheapest and 433 00:21:05,441 --> 00:21:08,681 Speaker 2: the quickest and the easiest way for everybody to move 434 00:21:08,721 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 2: forward in this space. But again, like Karen did, she 435 00:21:12,321 --> 00:21:15,441 Speaker 2: just reached out to me via my email which is 436 00:21:15,681 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: Sally at Sally Laden dot com or info at missingmatter 437 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 2: dot com and I was able to then call the 438 00:21:21,721 --> 00:21:22,321 Speaker 2: mayor's office. 439 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:25,081 Speaker 1: I had a good chat with Nikki up there and. 440 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: She was like, we love this idea, we want to 441 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: support you and get behind it. It took two months 442 00:21:29,761 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: to get to the meeting with the mayor because they're busy, 443 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: but I was able to then send her a fly 444 00:21:34,761 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: that we've done. I've sent her the article from The 445 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: Australian and given her my voice as to why this 446 00:21:40,041 --> 00:21:43,441 Speaker 2: is important, and they're all, you know, jumped on board 447 00:21:43,521 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: straight away. So I would encourage anybody else to do 448 00:21:46,201 --> 00:21:48,041 Speaker 2: the same. And I want to do that internationally. I 449 00:21:48,041 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: don't see why it has to just be Australia, Like, 450 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 2: why can't we do one in Scotland, Why can't we 451 00:21:52,241 --> 00:21:53,041 Speaker 2: do them in New Zealand. 452 00:21:53,041 --> 00:21:55,281 Speaker 1: There are people missing everywhere in the world. 453 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: So the story has become international based on, you know, 454 00:21:58,921 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: the fact that my mum was overseas, and then we've 455 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: got a certain human in the space as well who 456 00:22:03,761 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: obviously went differently with different people, and. 457 00:22:07,321 --> 00:22:09,721 Speaker 1: We need to just bring awareness to all those spaces. 458 00:22:10,281 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: I'm going to wrap this episode up because I know 459 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 3: you've got an appointment and it's almost Christmas, yep, And 460 00:22:17,441 --> 00:22:20,241 Speaker 3: I'm going to do what you do when you talk 461 00:22:20,321 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 3: to guests on the missing matter. Why do the missing 462 00:22:25,201 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 3: matter this Christmas? 463 00:22:29,281 --> 00:22:32,641 Speaker 2: The missing matter every day, but it's a hard time 464 00:22:32,681 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 2: at Christmas. And I think bringing their memories to the 465 00:22:35,961 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: forefront in the families and making sure that they're not 466 00:22:38,201 --> 00:22:43,641 Speaker 2: forgotten is valuable to not just the people who knew them, 467 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,921 Speaker 2: but those that didn't know them, because they are their 468 00:22:46,961 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 2: relation and they are connected to them someway. And I 469 00:22:49,681 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: think talking about them in a positive way is really important, 470 00:22:54,241 --> 00:22:58,521 Speaker 2: and sharing funny stories and stories that warm your heart 471 00:22:58,761 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: does make a difference. It makes it a little bit 472 00:23:00,761 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: easier to manage and a little bit easier to remember 473 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: them because there's so much sadness it comes around a 474 00:23:06,201 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 2: missing person. And I know, even with my kids, if 475 00:23:08,921 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 2: I always talked about the sad times, they'd be quite depressed, 476 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,561 Speaker 2: I think. But we talk about my mum in the 477 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,881 Speaker 2: good ways that she was, and we laugh about her. 478 00:23:16,961 --> 00:23:20,201 Speaker 2: And you know, all my Mum's friends called her Masa, 479 00:23:20,281 --> 00:23:22,161 Speaker 2: and she used to get called mad Marian because she'd 480 00:23:22,201 --> 00:23:24,041 Speaker 2: be running around like I took with her head cut 481 00:23:24,041 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: off at school and whatnot. So you know, Darcy for example, 482 00:23:27,761 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: refers to her as Masa and I love that because 483 00:23:31,001 --> 00:23:33,961 Speaker 2: it brings a warmth to her. And they're learning about 484 00:23:33,961 --> 00:23:36,201 Speaker 2: who their grandmother was even though they've never met her. 485 00:23:36,281 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 2: And I think just remember bring them in a good 486 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,521 Speaker 2: way is important, not just at Christmas but every day, 487 00:23:42,681 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: and just knowing that they're not forgotten. Thank you for 488 00:23:46,241 --> 00:23:49,161 Speaker 2: helping me make this podcast every week. 489 00:23:49,961 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: You did say to me at the beginning. 490 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: I said, I don't know if I can do it 491 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,241 Speaker 2: every week, and you said, I'm going to hold you 492 00:23:54,321 --> 00:23:54,561 Speaker 2: to it. 493 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:59,321 Speaker 1: So here I am managed to manage to roll it out, 494 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: So we are going to try. 495 00:24:00,961 --> 00:24:02,721 Speaker 2: I'm not promising it it's going to happen, but we're 496 00:24:02,721 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: going to try and do this little cool video for 497 00:24:04,681 --> 00:24:07,961 Speaker 2: those that have featured on The Missing Matter in season two, 498 00:24:08,481 --> 00:24:12,921 Speaker 2: which we will hopefully post before Christmas. And I'm looking 499 00:24:13,041 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 2: and I have reached out to a few of them 500 00:24:14,681 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 2: as well and just said, look, we might do a 501 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: catch up episode in the new year as well once 502 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: we're back, just to see what's happening, because I know 503 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,361 Speaker 2: there's been a new search with one of them. There's 504 00:24:24,441 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 2: an upcoming search that's happening with fundraising and things like 505 00:24:27,201 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: that ever happened. We've got more people who assigned petitions, 506 00:24:30,761 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: and we've got people who we were looking for and 507 00:24:34,041 --> 00:24:36,201 Speaker 2: we put it out on social media and we found 508 00:24:36,721 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: information about that person. And I think it's just valuable 509 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 2: to let people know that things do come from doing this. 510 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:46,521 Speaker 2: It's not just about sitting here talking for an hour. 511 00:24:46,561 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: It's about remembering someone helping a family, show support, bring 512 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,281 Speaker 2: a community to that family, but also what comes from 513 00:24:54,281 --> 00:24:55,361 Speaker 2: that when people. 514 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,921 Speaker 1: Share and care. Very Christmas self, Merry Christmas Day,