WEBVTT - Credlin | 19 October

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<v Speaker 1>Good evening. Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on Credlin. Tonight, Europe on its knees as violent riots

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<v Speaker 1>erupt across major cities and political leaders again calling for calm.

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<v Speaker 1>But most are willfully blind as to the real cause

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<v Speaker 1>of the chaos. I'll have the latest for you shortly.

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<v Speaker 1>The Albanese government comes unstuck as it's revealed that ministers

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<v Speaker 1>knew about the ATO credit ban months before they told

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<v Speaker 1>you and small business. As left-leaning think tank the Grattan

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<v Speaker 1>Institute joins Josh Frydenberg in arguing for an increase to

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<v Speaker 1>the GST. From Mao's communist China to the world stage,

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<v Speaker 1>the extraordinary Li Shunzhen joins me tonight. For the next

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable chapter in his story, this is the sequel to

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<v Speaker 1>that much-loved bestseller, Mal's Last Dancer. And Victoria, the billion-dollar

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<v Speaker 1>basket case says the true extent of the state's debt

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<v Speaker 1>is revealed. The opposition leader joins me on her plans

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<v Speaker 1>to turn the state around. We'll also discuss her tough

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<v Speaker 1>comments today not to fund mosques or preachers that spew hate.

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<v Speaker 2>And under a government I lead, there will be no

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer money that goes to organisations where hate preachers are

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<v Speaker 2>saying it is OK to rape and beat your wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Jess Wilson joins me shortly, but first to those violent

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<v Speaker 1>scenes that we witnessed over the weekend in Paris, Marseille,

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<v Speaker 1>Le Mange, right across France. in Milan and Bologna, in

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<v Speaker 1>northern Italy as well. Now, it's hard to overstate the

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<v Speaker 1>significance of these events, not just to Europe, but the

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<v Speaker 1>wider Western world. These were not scenes of democratic protests

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<v Speaker 1>or demonstrations of justifiable grievance. They were riots, violent riots,

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<v Speaker 1>pure and simple, and there is a difference.

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<v Speaker 3>APPLAUSE Stop! Stop! Stop! Freeze! Freeze!

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<v Speaker 1>Although whether or not you were told the truth depended

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<v Speaker 1>very much on who you read or listened to, like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night's lead news story on the taxpayer-funded SBS in Australia. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>to SBS, these riots were just mere protests about cost

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<v Speaker 1>of living and general student anger.

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<v Speaker 4>At least 1,200 people were arrested. It follows three weeks

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<v Speaker 4>of student-led protests... now broadened into action over soaring cost

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<v Speaker 4>of living and declining public services. And widespread political discontent

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<v Speaker 4>is spreading across Europe, where hundreds of thousands of people

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<v Speaker 4>have protested against the rising cost of living and calling

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<v Speaker 4>for the toppling of their leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>Cost of living? Cost of living? Nothing screams cost of

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<v Speaker 1>living more than balaclava-wearing pro-Palestinian thugs looting high-end stores like

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Dior and Hermes. At the time, the riots began

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday night. Emmanuel Macron and his wife, well, they

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<v Speaker 1>were on the balcony to watch Celine Dion's last concert

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris. And I can't be the only one struck

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<v Speaker 1>by his complete detachment from the cultural implosion playing out

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<v Speaker 1>across the French capital. In the morning, amidst the smouldering rubble,

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<v Speaker 1>Macron spoke to the French people for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>And while saying he would not tolerate the violence, he

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<v Speaker 1>said he understood the grievance of the students and and

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<v Speaker 1>wanted people to know that they only lashed out because

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<v Speaker 1>they were so fearful about their future.

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<v Speaker 5>Nothing can justify their actions, nothing can explain their actions

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<v Speaker 5>and nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>Will excuse their actions.

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<v Speaker 5>We all tonight feel angry, we feel shame as well,

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<v Speaker 5>seeing the disasters that have unfolded in our streets. We

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<v Speaker 5>should never mix up those People, those men and women

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<v Speaker 5>who protested peacefully with looters and rioters, the youth of

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<v Speaker 5>our nation are expressing great anguish and concern about the future,

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<v Speaker 5>the conditions of where their careers will take them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the reality is a long way from Macron's spin.

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<v Speaker 1>By and large, the people out on the streets of

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<v Speaker 1>France over the weekend were anarchists. They were activists. They

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<v Speaker 1>were looters and they were Islamists, far more than they

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<v Speaker 1>were upset students. An entire population that's now in France

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<v Speaker 1>who quite literally want to burn the country down. Shops

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<v Speaker 1>were sacked, cobblestones were dug up from roads and thrown

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<v Speaker 1>at police and buildings, reports of synagogues trashed, statues defaced

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<v Speaker 1>and the Palestinian flag flown from monuments across France and

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<v Speaker 1>across Europe. And the anger and dismay of Parisians, well,

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<v Speaker 1>come Sunday morning, that was palpable.

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<v Speaker 7>Like always, always similar situations, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the people who pay the cost, all the costs.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Macron lost totally his trail, really.

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<v Speaker 8>Have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Weak Macron's only himself to blame because he's long failed

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<v Speaker 1>to tackle decades of unrest amongst Muslim migrants from the

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<v Speaker 1>former French colonies in North Africa that have metastasised behind

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<v Speaker 1>the pro-Palestinian cause into the sort of mobs we saw

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<v Speaker 1>on the weekend. Now, this is not just Macron's fault.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes back decades in France, but he has made

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<v Speaker 1>it so much worse than ever before. In recent years,

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<v Speaker 1>there have been Christian churches burned down across France Priests

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<v Speaker 1>beheaded while saying mass. In 2020, we had the French

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<v Speaker 1>teacher Samuel Patti beheaded outside a school near Paris by

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<v Speaker 1>an 18-year-old Islamist radical. And who can ever forget the

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<v Speaker 1>200 people killed in those two Islamist attacks in Paris

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<v Speaker 1>and Nice in 2015 and 2016, respectively. It was only

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<v Speaker 1>a mere decade ago that French citizens took to the

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<v Speaker 1>street chanting Je suis Charlie in solidarity with the murdered

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<v Speaker 1>journalists who worked for the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

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<v Speaker 6>Je suis Charlie!

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<v Speaker 3>Je suis Charlie! Je suis Charlie! Je suis Charlie!

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<v Speaker 1>Nous sommes Charlie!

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<v Speaker 3>Nous sommes Charlie!

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<v Speaker 6>Nous sommes Charlie!

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<v Speaker 3>Nous sommes Charlie!

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<v Speaker 1>Eleven years ago, And yet look where France is now,

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<v Speaker 1>gangs of violent thugs, mainly men, dressed in black, wearing balaclavas,

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<v Speaker 1>determined to tear down any symbol of French civilisation. How

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<v Speaker 1>quickly a country can turn on itself. Much of what

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<v Speaker 1>we are watching play out in Paris. was sadly predicted

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<v Speaker 1>by the journalist and author Douglas Murray in his 2017 book,

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<v Speaker 1>The Strange Death of Europe. A deep analytical book, Murray

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<v Speaker 1>chronicled the issues of immigration, identity and Islam across the

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<v Speaker 1>countries of Europe. And if you haven't read this book,

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<v Speaker 1>I urge you, get a copy. Because if you think

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<v Speaker 1>Islam as terror and loss of cultural identity is just

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<v Speaker 1>a problem for Europe, then think again. as the events

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<v Speaker 1>of Bondi last year show us all too well. In

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<v Speaker 1>six months time, France will hold its presidential elections and

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<v Speaker 1>Macron is term limited. meaning he can't run again. Without

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<v Speaker 1>a doubt, the events of the weekend will make an

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<v Speaker 1>already tinderbox election race ignite. And as we've seen already

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<v Speaker 1>in recent German elections with the elevation of AFD, polarisation

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<v Speaker 1>of politics between the far left and the far right

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<v Speaker 1>will continue now at pace. Many years ago, our geography

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<v Speaker 1>here was seen as a problem. That famous line, the

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<v Speaker 1>tyranny of distance, left many fearing we would be a

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<v Speaker 1>cultural backwater. But for many decades, this in fact was

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<v Speaker 1>our salvation. It meant that the troubles elsewhere either never

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<v Speaker 1>made it to Australia, or when they did, we had

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<v Speaker 1>sufficient time and notice to avoid the worst of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Not so anymore, given the huge unfettered immigration numbers allowed

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<v Speaker 1>in under the Albanese government. Four years now of record

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<v Speaker 1>high immigration from areas of the world where our values

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<v Speaker 1>are not shared. Again, it's staggering that Australia took in

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<v Speaker 1>over 3,000 people from war-torn Gaza with scarcely any security vetting,

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<v Speaker 1>with the vast bulk of them having never returned despite

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<v Speaker 1>the war ending. Worse still, the government reports now that

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of them have lodged refugee applications to stay

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia permanently. Whistleblowers are now telling me that the

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<v Speaker 1>Albanese government's rapidly approving citizenship in many cases, within 12

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<v Speaker 1>to 18 months. The city committee says this has nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with good process and everything to do with

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<v Speaker 1>trying to lock in a new pro-Labour voter base before

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<v Speaker 1>the next federal election. Whatever it takes is the Labor motto.

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<v Speaker 1>And with increasing pressure from Muslim political groups like Muslim

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<v Speaker 1>Votes Matter and Muslim Voice in key seats in Melbourne

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<v Speaker 1>and Sydney, capitulation and appeasement now appears to be the

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<v Speaker 1>Labor way. And yet when I speak to Muslim leaders overseas,

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<v Speaker 1>their message is precisely the opposite. It's one of warning,

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<v Speaker 1>not appeasement. as it was in June when I sat

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<v Speaker 1>down with Amjad Tahir, an expert in Middle Eastern politics

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<v Speaker 1>and strategy, a Muslim man based in the United Arab Emirates.

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<v Speaker 6>This is a problem.

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<v Speaker 9>Some people in Australia, they're trying to be more Muslim

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<v Speaker 9>than I. You will not be more Arab than I.

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<v Speaker 9>You will not be more Muslim than me. And I'm

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<v Speaker 9>telling you, ban the Muslim Brotherhood.

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<v Speaker 1>So is the long game to take over these Western countries,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the long game? for the Muslim Brotherhood?

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, there will come a point right now where I

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<v Speaker 9>believe we're going to be in the time of action.

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<v Speaker 9>The next step is action, which means they're already recruited,

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<v Speaker 9>especially after the 7th of October. He gave them enough

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<v Speaker 9>place to recruit people and use that emotion and grab

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<v Speaker 9>on them.

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<v Speaker 6>And then they went through the education system also.

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<v Speaker 9>So now they have enough fund in terms of the

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<v Speaker 9>charities that they use and the umbrella of the charities.

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<v Speaker 6>And they have enough imams, and they have enough recruitments.

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<v Speaker 6>The next is action. They will carry terrorist attacks.

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<v Speaker 9>More terrorist attacks are coming to Australia, more coming to

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<v Speaker 9>the United Kingdom. There will be terrorist attack. And you

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<v Speaker 9>will go back into this interview that we're having to

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<v Speaker 9>remind people, we did warn about this. It's not because

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<v Speaker 9>we're very smart and clever about this, and we have,

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<v Speaker 9>it's because the Middle East understand that these terrorists.

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<v Speaker 6>Because we suffer.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your message to Australia?

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<v Speaker 6>Ban the Muslim Brotherhood.

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<v Speaker 9>Do not tolerate people who do not tolerate you. And

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<v Speaker 9>treat your country like your home.

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<v Speaker 6>And treat the citizens like your children. Care about them.

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<v Speaker 9>Future is really dark if you're going to allow these

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<v Speaker 9>guys to be the elites, the Muslim Brotherhood to be

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<v Speaker 9>the elites of your society.

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<v Speaker 6>You have a great history. Protect your civilization.

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<v Speaker 1>And this, a seminal speech in 2017 from the UAE's

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<v Speaker 1>foreign minister, Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahan, who gave

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<v Speaker 1>the politicians of Europe a massive wake-up call. Speaking at

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<v Speaker 1>an event in Saudi Arabia, he predicted that Europe would

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<v Speaker 1>eventually see a greater number of radical extremists and terrorists

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<v Speaker 1>emerging from its own borders than from the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 1>And he blamed this on the lack of decisive political

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<v Speaker 1>action from Western leaders, and their obsession with political correctness,

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<v Speaker 1>calling out Muslim organisations in the West who he described

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<v Speaker 1>as acting as incubators of terror. And to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>his message was heard loud and clear, the UAE foreign

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<v Speaker 1>minister deliberately switched from Arabic to English mid-speech so that

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<v Speaker 1>his message could be directly understood without translation drift or ambiguity.

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<v Speaker 10>And let me say this in English so you can

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<v Speaker 10>understand what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I have translation.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I know you have translation, but I just want

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<v Speaker 10>to make sure you get it right. There will come

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<v Speaker 10>a day that we will see far more radical extremists

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<v Speaker 10>and terrorists coming out of Europe because of lack of

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<v Speaker 10>decision making, trying to be politically correct, or assuming that

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<v Speaker 10>they know the Middle East and they know Islam and

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<v Speaker 10>they know the others far better than we do. And

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<v Speaker 10>I'm sorry, but that's pure ignorance.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. That's a warning from a Muslim leader

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<v Speaker 1>there that could not have been any clearer. Import the

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<v Speaker 1>third world and those values that hate who you are

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<v Speaker 1>and don't be surprised by what happens. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>head to Canberra now for tonight's political headlines with our reporter,

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Redden. Good evening.

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<v Speaker 11>A beef over meat exports is threatening to derail a

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<v Speaker 11>free trade agreement with Europe.

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<v Speaker 6>We've called this the worst trade deal ever from day one.

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<v Speaker 11>The agreement was inked in March after eight years of negotiation.

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<v Speaker 11>But to take effect, it has to first pass the parliament.

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<v Speaker 8>We get one opportunity to reach an agreement with the Europeans.

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<v Speaker 5>This is it.

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<v Speaker 11>The nationals are withholding support, arguing it's a dud deal

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<v Speaker 11>for farmers.

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<v Speaker 8>In particular, dairy industry will face massively unfair competition from

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<v Speaker 8>European cheesemakers.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not perfect. But we don't think there's a reason

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<v Speaker 6>there to say that this should be held back. We

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<v Speaker 6>want the parliament to get behind it.

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<v Speaker 11>One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is refusing to apologise for

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<v Speaker 11>the latest cartoon controversy, this time for an episode mocking

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<v Speaker 11>the private health battles of independent Senator Jackie Lambie.

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<v Speaker 4>Decent leaders don't stir up hatred, pushing us towards bloody anarchy,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's exactly what she's doing.

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<v Speaker 11>Have a bit of a laugh, Jackie, and lighten up.

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<v Speaker 6>I physically can't care. It's called satire. That's what we do.

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<v Speaker 11>Cameron Redden, News 24, Canberra.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's go now to the latest controversy surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>the Melbourne Muslim organisation, My Centre, and its leader, Samir

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<v Speaker 1>Abu Hamza Mokhtari. We discussed this at length, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>last week. The Premier has today contemned the comments from

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<v Speaker 1>this imam regarding family violence and rape. but stopped short

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<v Speaker 1>of ruling out further community funding for the group, in

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<v Speaker 1>particular to expand their current facilities out in Melbourne's northern suburbs.

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<v Speaker 1>They want, of course, to build Australia's largest Islamic centre

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<v Speaker 1>in the Melbourne area of Mickleham. Now, a reminder here,

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<v Speaker 1>the site in question has been promised some $ 600, 000 in

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<v Speaker 1>funding from state governments, but when pressed on the matter,

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<v Speaker 1>the Premier said it was McTardy's leadership that was under question...

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<v Speaker 1>but that the centre itself did good work. He then

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<v Speaker 1>said that the opposition leader, Jess Wilson's comments about the issue,

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<v Speaker 1>which included her saying that the Liberals would stop funding

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<v Speaker 1>my centre, were, quote, loose with the truth.

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<v Speaker 10>That's, again, her being very loose with the truth.

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<v Speaker 6>I caution her.

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<v Speaker 4>To be very careful about the accusations she has made

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<v Speaker 4>on social media today.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we'll get into that in a moment, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bring in the opposition leader because we've got some

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<v Speaker 1>really disturbing, worrying news just breaking now in relation to

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<v Speaker 1>Helen Haynes, who, of course, is the independent MP in

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<v Speaker 1>the seat at Indi, a federal seat up near sort

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<v Speaker 1>of Wangaratta Way. Reports are this afternoon, Jess, that she

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<v Speaker 1>has been struck by a car. What we're hearing is

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<v Speaker 1>she may have lost a limb, lost a leg, and

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<v Speaker 1>there is some suggestion, unconfirmed, but a suggestion that she

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<v Speaker 1>may have been targeted.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my thoughts are with Helen and her family. This

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like an absolutely shocking incident. I cannot imagine the

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<v Speaker 2>fear and the trauma that her family is going through

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<v Speaker 2>right now and my.

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<v Speaker 1>Thoughts are with her and as this incident unfolds. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's just a reminder, isn't it, that

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<v Speaker 1>when the hurly-gurly of politics, whatever the circumstances here, you

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<v Speaker 1>all wish each other well. Of course you do. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course you do.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all people at the end of the day and

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<v Speaker 2>my best wishes are with Helen and her family right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Premier says today when you speak out about

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<v Speaker 1>the sermon from Abu Hamza, the Imam, and his comments

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<v Speaker 1>in relation to, you know, it's okay to rape a

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<v Speaker 1>wife in marriage, it's okay to beat your wife, provided

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<v Speaker 1>there's no blood and no bruising. When you speak out

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<v Speaker 1>in relation to that, you're loose with the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is appalling by the Premier, his comments today.

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<v Speaker 2>This man, this hate preacher, to your point, has said

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<v Speaker 2>that it's OK to rape your wife or to beat

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<v Speaker 2>your wife in Victoria. That is disgusting behaviour. And I

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<v Speaker 2>will call that out, Peter. I will always call that out.

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<v Speaker 2>And to see Victorian taxpayer money go and fund this

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<v Speaker 2>centre where this man is the preacher is unacceptable. And

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<v Speaker 2>I will be direct. I will not allow that to

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<v Speaker 2>happen under my leadership. I will not allow there to

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<v Speaker 2>be further permit approvals when it comes to the expansion

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<v Speaker 2>of this site because I will always ensure that we

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<v Speaker 2>are putting people's safety first and we are standing up

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<v Speaker 2>for our Australian values.

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<v Speaker 1>So these comments were made I think in about 2003,

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<v Speaker 1>but they resurfaced in 2007. They drew the attention of

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Rudd. He was Prime Minister at the time. Plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of headlines. You go from 2007 to a whole series

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<v Speaker 1>of payments made by to this organisation and organisations connected

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<v Speaker 1>to Samir Moqtadi, after he says that.

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<v Speaker 2>How does that happen? How does that happen? And this

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<v Speaker 2>was raised with the government. We have raised this in

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<v Speaker 2>the parliament here, our concerns about this organisation and this

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<v Speaker 2>individual receiving taxpayer funding. And yet the government has continued

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<v Speaker 2>to allow it to happen. And I think Victorians have

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<v Speaker 2>had enough of this. They've had enough of the Premier

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<v Speaker 2>standing up and saying one thing, but then continuing to

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<v Speaker 2>see taxpayer dollars fund this, funding this type of behaviour,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, he wants to build, my centre has an offshoot

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<v Speaker 1>called My College, he wants to build a largest ever

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic centre. There'll be a huge mosque, primary schools for

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<v Speaker 1>girls and boys, primary schools, high schools for boys and girls,

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<v Speaker 1>all segregated, of course. And he wants to do this

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<v Speaker 1>There's about $ 11 million already raised by the organisation. He

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<v Speaker 1>put an application in earlier this year, Jess. It is

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<v Speaker 1>on the desk of Sonia Kilkenny, the Planning Minister. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got an election, what, a month away now. How does

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<v Speaker 1>that get stopped or do you inherit that? this Islamic

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<v Speaker 1>centre involving this man?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we say to the planning minister, do not approve

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<v Speaker 2>this planning permit. Do not do so before the election.

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<v Speaker 2>We have an election in 40 days. There is no

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<v Speaker 2>need to approve this now. But as I said this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and I will be very direct again with your viewers tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>I will not allow this to proceed. I will not

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<v Speaker 2>approve this planning permit and we will not see another

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer dollar go to this centre.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you wake up On the Sunday after the

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<v Speaker 1>election and you're the Premier, will you tear it up

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<v Speaker 1>if it's been made?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 6>You will?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. That simple.

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<v Speaker 2>We are not seeing hate preachers, people talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that it is OK to rape your wife or

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<v Speaker 2>to beat your wife. That is disgusting. And at a

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<v Speaker 2>time in Victoria when we are seeing community safety put

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the priorities from this government, but

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<v Speaker 2>also the amount of family violence increasing It is not

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<v Speaker 2>good enough and I will put an end to it.

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<v Speaker 1>This would make the first premier, in fact, first political

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<v Speaker 1>leader in the country right now to do more than just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, decry hate speeches, Jess, if he actually took

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<v Speaker 1>a stand against them.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always said, Peter, that, you know, people can stand

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<v Speaker 2>up and they can say that anti-Semitism has no place.

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<v Speaker 2>They can stand up that hate speech has no place.

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<v Speaker 1>But words are cheap.

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<v Speaker 2>You actually need to take action and that is the

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<v Speaker 2>exact type of premier that I will be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's go to other issues. Debt obviously is a

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<v Speaker 1>huge focus. Reports out today the Victoria situation is worsening

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<v Speaker 1>by the moment. We know we have concerns from rating agencies.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people are saying you've got to get tough,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to deliver sort of an austerity budget and

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<v Speaker 1>turn things around. There's no more taxes Victorians can pay.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the most taxed individuals and businesses in the

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<v Speaker 1>country are Can you turn this around and can you

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<v Speaker 1>turn this around and not make it even harder for Victorians?

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<v Speaker 2>We have to turn this around. And when I became

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<v Speaker 2>the leader, I said my number one priority was repairing

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<v Speaker 2>the budget. Because unless we repair the budget, we cannot

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<v Speaker 2>fund the essential services that Victorians rely on. Our healthcare services,

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<v Speaker 2>investing in more police, making sure that kids here have

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<v Speaker 2>the best possible education. That is what is at stake here.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why we have outlined our 10-year economic vision

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<v Speaker 2>for this state. We have committed to a cash surplus

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<v Speaker 2>by 2032. And in simple terms, Peter, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>this means. That means that there is more money coming

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<v Speaker 2>in than what is going out. And only then can

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<v Speaker 2>you stop borrowing and start to reduce the debt and

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<v Speaker 2>reduce the interest repayments so we can guarantee the essential services.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you cut the back end, Jess? Because everyone wants

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<v Speaker 1>more police. We want more ambulances so we don't have ramping.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've never seen a more bloated public servants bureaucracy

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<v Speaker 1>class in Victoria. And we saw from that IBAC report

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<v Speaker 1>last week, you know, $ 300 million given to people who

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<v Speaker 1>were never eligible for those business loans and then covered

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<v Speaker 1>up by this very same bureaucracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we've seen Victoria's public service grow by 60% over

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<v Speaker 2>the past decade, while population growth has only been 19% here.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly why we announced that we will put

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<v Speaker 2>a hiring freeze on the back end of the public service. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't affect our teachers, our fireys, our nurses, our doctors,

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<v Speaker 2>our police officers, but it stops the growth of the

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<v Speaker 2>back end, the bureaucrats in the public service. so that

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<v Speaker 2>we can actually invest in those frontline and essential services.

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<v Speaker 2>That delivers us a $ 22 billion saving over the next decade.

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<v Speaker 2>They are the disciplined and responsible decisions that we must

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<v Speaker 2>make to repair the budget. But most importantly, to your

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<v Speaker 2>first point, we can't keep taxing Victorians. We need to

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<v Speaker 2>grow our economy here. We need to attract investment back

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<v Speaker 2>to this state. And that's why we've made a number

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<v Speaker 2>of announcements around reducing taxes of businesses on individuals. to

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<v Speaker 2>put more money back into the pockets of Victorians, to

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<v Speaker 2>grow our economy here. But most importantly, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>ensure that we repair the budget so we can guarantee

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<v Speaker 2>the essential services. I have the team, I have the plan,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have the experience to get this done. And

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<v Speaker 2>we are absolutely determined that we can see all Victorians

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<v Speaker 2>share in a growing economy.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. Thank you, Jess. Thanks, Peter. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back to the issue of the rights. Breaking

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<v Speaker 1>out across Europe, of course, and ramifications for here at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Joining me now, our political contributor, News24, Chris Ullman. Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Ullman coming to us from Canberra, of course. Chris, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I played a bit earlier in the program some comments

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<v Speaker 1>from Macron. basically saying it was wayward students and who

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<v Speaker 1>can be upset with them given their cost of living anger.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've seen the footage, we've all seen the footage,

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of Palestinian flags in the crowd. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to globalise the intifada, Chris, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, isn't it interesting, Peter, how the Palestinian flag

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<v Speaker 7>has kind of become the flag of convenience for all

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<v Speaker 7>the grievances of the left and it just bobs up everywhere.

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<v Speaker 7>And when you combine all of those grievances together, it

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<v Speaker 7>appears to be a grievance... with the West in general.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's not sugarcoat this. Those protests, the ones that turned violent,

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<v Speaker 7>are being driven by the far left in France. The

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<v Speaker 7>French government has no doubt that that is certainly the case. Now,

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<v Speaker 7>if this was a far right protest, I know how

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<v Speaker 7>those protests would be being reported at the moment as

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<v Speaker 7>the streets of Paris burned. What we're seeing at the

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<v Speaker 7>moment is an uprising inside France the French community. There's

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<v Speaker 7>an enormous amount of debt there.

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<v Speaker 6>There are enormous amount.

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<v Speaker 7>Of problems there, but nothing can justify the violence that

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<v Speaker 7>we've seen on the streets as we head towards a

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<v Speaker 7>presidential election. And this may be just a taste of

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<v Speaker 7>things to come.

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<v Speaker 1>And we saw this with AFD in Germany. I think this,

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<v Speaker 1>the events of the last few hours, the weekend, are

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<v Speaker 1>really going to play into what is already a tinderbox,

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<v Speaker 1>as we know, with Le Pen and others in France.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know, obviously, that Macron can't run again. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's going to be a very troublesome six months

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<v Speaker 1>for France.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think that we'll see more violence from the

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<v Speaker 7>left in particular as we head towards that election. And

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<v Speaker 7>let's not forget the fact that we have seen violence

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<v Speaker 7>from the left on the streets around the world, dismissed

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<v Speaker 7>by leaders from the left forever let's go back to

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<v Speaker 7>2000 the city of melbourne you'll remember that when we

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<v Speaker 7>had the s11 protesters against the trade meeting that was

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<v Speaker 7>held there i can go back into the 1990s and

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<v Speaker 7>know that there was a conference an adex defense conference

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<v Speaker 7>that used to be held in canberra and the recourse

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<v Speaker 7>to violence that we saw there so yeah i think

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<v Speaker 7>it's very troubling time ahead for france as it heads

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<v Speaker 7>towards that next election and don't forget too that what

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<v Speaker 7>normally happens if they end up in a runoff and

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<v Speaker 7>that's le pen up against the a leader of the

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<v Speaker 7>far left, then usually what happens is there is a

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<v Speaker 7>firewall where everyone votes and gangs up against the right. Now,

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<v Speaker 7>if Le Pen gets a fairly significant percentage of the

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<v Speaker 7>vote in France, I don't know that things are going

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:30.260
<v Speaker 7>to settle down after that election.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'll leave it here and I'll come back

0:27:34.550 --> 0:27:35.929
<v Speaker 1>to it a bit later in the program. I want

0:27:35.950 --> 0:27:39.850
<v Speaker 1>to go to those comments from... Our former Finance Minister,

0:27:39.869 --> 0:27:44.389
<v Speaker 1>of course, now OECD Secretary-General, Mathias Cormann in Australia, warning

0:27:44.550 --> 0:27:48.260
<v Speaker 1>the country about Australia's stalled productivity, highlighting it as a

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 1>key factor in the nation's cost of living crisis. These

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:54.160
<v Speaker 1>are remarks over the weekend. He told The Australian, you

0:27:54.180 --> 0:27:57.630
<v Speaker 1>either produce more or you borrow from your children. When

0:27:57.710 --> 0:28:01.230
<v Speaker 1>competition weakens, as it has, prices rise faster than they should.

0:28:01.780 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>When productivity stalls, says Matthias Cormann, as it has, wages

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:10.670
<v Speaker 1>rise more slowly than they should. Well, all of that's right,

0:28:11.250 --> 0:28:12.890
<v Speaker 1>but who's doing anything about it, Chris?

0:28:14.690 --> 0:28:16.869
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Peter, and Matthias really didn't tell us anything that

0:28:16.910 --> 0:28:19.640
<v Speaker 7>we didn't know. And, you know, I know and respect him.

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 7>I think he's doing a very good job where he

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:22.619
<v Speaker 7>is at the moment. But the one thing that I

0:28:22.660 --> 0:28:25.810
<v Speaker 7>will say, Wes, was A glaring absence from his speech

0:28:25.890 --> 0:28:28.510
<v Speaker 7>is any talk about what's happening to our energy system

0:28:28.810 --> 0:28:31.650
<v Speaker 7>and net zero. Now, he seems to embrace that since

0:28:31.670 --> 0:28:34.010
<v Speaker 7>he got the top job at the OECD. It's doing

0:28:34.070 --> 0:28:35.750
<v Speaker 7>us no favours. And if he wants to do us

0:28:35.850 --> 0:28:38.060
<v Speaker 7>a favour, then he could actually draw a big circle

0:28:38.100 --> 0:28:40.100
<v Speaker 7>around that and say that that might be part of

0:28:40.130 --> 0:28:43.340
<v Speaker 7>the problem that we have with productivity. Until we fix that,

0:28:43.700 --> 0:28:45.420
<v Speaker 7>we won't fix the rest of it. So I thank

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.540
<v Speaker 7>him for his observation. I think it could have been

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 7>a bit broader.

0:28:49.770 --> 0:28:52.690
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do think he has drunk the clean energy Kool-Aid,

0:28:52.710 --> 0:28:54.410
<v Speaker 1>but I think that's the blood price for getting these

0:28:54.430 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of international appointments. But it's all going to be

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>sorted out by Chris Bowen. Apparently we will be told

0:28:59.880 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>by the end of the week on what it really

0:29:02.740 --> 0:29:07.660
<v Speaker 1>will cost for Snowy Hydro 2.0. Malcolm Turnbull said it

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>would be $ 2 billion and done in about six years. Well,

0:29:12.340 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>we're way over budget. We're way over time. Where do

0:29:15.020 --> 0:29:15.860
<v Speaker 1>you think it's going to land?

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:18.820
<v Speaker 7>I can tell you, Peter, I have it on very

0:29:18.860 --> 0:29:21.580
<v Speaker 7>good authority that the Snow Hydro project itself, let's leave

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 7>aside the transmission lines, but that $ 2 billion project that

0:29:25.140 --> 0:29:27.810
<v Speaker 7>you talked about when Malcolm Turnbull first raised it, which

0:29:27.830 --> 0:29:30.070
<v Speaker 7>was going to be done in four years, well, it's

0:29:30.110 --> 0:29:32.090
<v Speaker 7>now going to be $ 22 billion.

0:29:31.470 --> 0:29:33.290
<v Speaker 1>To cost of completion.

0:29:33.290 --> 0:29:35.450
<v Speaker 6>$ 22 billion. That is 10 times the initial....

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:40.719
<v Speaker 8>Cost.

0:29:41.220 --> 0:29:43.300
<v Speaker 7>I don't know what the date of completion is now,

0:29:43.340 --> 0:29:46.330
<v Speaker 7>but we do know that that has blown out to

0:29:46.330 --> 0:29:48.210
<v Speaker 7>2027 in their official plan. And by the way, this

0:29:48.250 --> 0:29:51.510
<v Speaker 7>is an estimate of that total cost. It's not the

0:29:51.690 --> 0:29:54.390
<v Speaker 7>actual total cost. We'll only know that when this project

0:29:54.450 --> 0:29:58.230
<v Speaker 7>is completed. This is a farce. And let's not forget, too,

0:29:58.290 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 7>that when this project is completed, if it is ever completed,

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 7>this will be a net consumer of electricity. What you

0:30:05.820 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 7>do with pumped hydro is you pump water uphill when

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 7>it's cheap and let it flow downhill when it's not.

0:30:10.660 --> 0:30:15.220
<v Speaker 7>It does not generate electricity. It shifts electricity in time.

0:30:15.300 --> 0:30:18.020
<v Speaker 7>That's its process. As Malcolm Turnbull said, the battery of

0:30:18.060 --> 0:30:20.490
<v Speaker 7>the nation. Well, this is One hell of a cost

0:30:20.530 --> 0:30:23.050
<v Speaker 7>for a great big battery. And by the way, even

0:30:23.070 --> 0:30:27.050
<v Speaker 7>looking at the CSIRO's report, it would be cheaper to

0:30:27.150 --> 0:30:31.930
<v Speaker 7>build a gigantic nuclear power plant which would generate power

0:30:31.950 --> 0:30:34.290
<v Speaker 7>24-7 and run for 100 years.

0:30:36.190 --> 0:30:38.310
<v Speaker 1>Oh, my goodness, Chris. It gets worse and worse. And

0:30:38.330 --> 0:30:41.250
<v Speaker 1>if Bowen says it's $ 22 billion, you reckon it'll be

0:30:41.290 --> 0:30:44.350
<v Speaker 1>double that before it is ever built if, as you say...

0:30:44.770 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>that ever happens. Chris Yeoman, thank you. All right, quick break.

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:52.140
<v Speaker 1>After the break, more on the carnage in Europe. Open

0:30:52.180 --> 0:30:56.130
<v Speaker 1>borders are a big problem for the West. How is

0:30:56.190 --> 0:31:05.110
<v Speaker 1>Australia faring, though? That's next. Welcome back. Coming up, the

0:31:05.150 --> 0:31:09.220
<v Speaker 1>wonderful story of Mal's last dancer. You'll know that. Well,

0:31:09.500 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you're going to meet the man, my good friend, the

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Brisbane dance legend, Lee Swingsen. He's got a new book,

0:31:15.500 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the sequel to that global bestseller. He'll join me at

0:31:18.220 --> 0:31:20.860
<v Speaker 1>the desk in a moment. But let's return to Europe.

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>But before I do, I just want to update you.

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:27.130
<v Speaker 1>There's been a press conference alert put out by the

0:31:27.170 --> 0:31:31.370
<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister and Tony Burke, and Tony Burke's inclusion is interesting.

0:31:31.830 --> 0:31:35.610
<v Speaker 1>It's for 7 o'clock tonight at the Commonwealth Parliamentary Offices

0:31:35.790 --> 0:31:39.030
<v Speaker 1>in Sydney. We have been told it has something to

0:31:39.070 --> 0:31:43.020
<v Speaker 1>do with Helen Haynes. I have not seen confirmed reports

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:46.180
<v Speaker 1>of that earlier claim that she was targeted, but we

0:31:46.620 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 1>do know it's a terrible injury that looks like it

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.870
<v Speaker 1>has been suffered by the independent member for Indi. If

0:31:53.900 --> 0:31:57.130
<v Speaker 1>there's more, I will alert you straight away. But let's

0:31:57.210 --> 0:32:01.750
<v Speaker 1>now bring in Peter Jennings, our Defence Secretary, expert here

0:32:01.810 --> 0:32:05.230
<v Speaker 1>on News24 to discuss Europe and a bit more than that,

0:32:05.370 --> 0:32:09.410
<v Speaker 1>if I can. Peter, you know, on one hand, you've

0:32:09.450 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 1>got Macron who's saying, don't confuse these legitimate demands of

0:32:13.540 --> 0:32:16.100
<v Speaker 1>the young people. They're right to be upset about a

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>cost of living. But in every image I saw over

0:32:20.380 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the weekend... This wasn't student protests. This wasn't, you know,

0:32:25.620 --> 0:32:30.110
<v Speaker 1>French flags flying. It wasn't the stuff we've seen before

0:32:30.150 --> 0:32:33.910
<v Speaker 1>from French students or even the yellow vest crowd from

0:32:33.950 --> 0:32:38.230
<v Speaker 1>a few years ago. This was violence. It was thuggery.

0:32:38.730 --> 0:32:42.450
<v Speaker 1>And there was a sea of Palestinian flags everywhere I looked.

0:32:42.690 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>This looked more like Gaza, to be honest, Peter, than Paris.

0:32:48.030 --> 0:32:52.230
<v Speaker 12>Yes, Peter, there's a coalition group known as the Black Bloc,

0:32:52.330 --> 0:32:55.989
<v Speaker 12>which has been active in the violent end of these protests.

0:32:56.090 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 12>And it brings together anarchists, communists and socialists of all

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 12>different stripes. They're also active in Belgium, by the way.

0:33:04.980 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 12>And these are the people who are particularly attacking government

0:33:08.700 --> 0:33:13.530
<v Speaker 12>buildings and seeking to pick fights with the police. And

0:33:13.570 --> 0:33:15.090
<v Speaker 12>they're there in significant numbers.

0:33:16.290 --> 0:33:17.090
<v Speaker 6>We're all used.

0:33:16.970 --> 0:33:20.729
<v Speaker 12>To riots in France, I guess, over the decades. But

0:33:20.770 --> 0:33:22.610
<v Speaker 12>this is different, I think, for a number of reasons.

0:33:22.810 --> 0:33:26.450
<v Speaker 12>It's much bigger. It's hundreds of thousands of people. It's

0:33:26.570 --> 0:33:30.190
<v Speaker 12>much more widespread across the country. It's not just in France.

0:33:31.290 --> 0:33:35.130
<v Speaker 12>And the extent of the violence is very significant. I

0:33:35.170 --> 0:33:39.730
<v Speaker 12>believe hundreds and hundreds of police injured and several thousand

0:33:39.770 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 12>people arrested, Peter. So, you know, I think this is something,

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 12>if it continues for a few more days, we will

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.219
<v Speaker 12>be talking about the security of the Fifth Republic and

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:52.420
<v Speaker 12>wondering if it's going to somehow change as a result

0:33:52.460 --> 0:33:55.650
<v Speaker 12>of this. And clearly, one final point, it's been an

0:33:55.710 --> 0:33:59.850
<v Speaker 12>intelligence failure. Domestic security has failed to anticipate that this

0:33:59.910 --> 0:34:01.250
<v Speaker 12>was going to happen, that it was going to be

0:34:01.310 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 12>as directed and violent as it was. And I think that,

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.100
<v Speaker 12>you know, this is going to be a serious political

0:34:07.140 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 12>crisis for France all the way up to the next election.

0:34:12.610 --> 0:34:18.300
<v Speaker 1>A reference at the top to 2015, 2016. the Batalan attacks,

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:22.500
<v Speaker 1>Jali Abdo. I mean, there's been a terrible history over

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:26.020
<v Speaker 1>the last 20 years of Islamist attacks in France. We've

0:34:26.060 --> 0:34:32.890
<v Speaker 1>seen smaller attacks on priests and churchgoers. We've seen, obviously,

0:34:32.930 --> 0:34:37.089
<v Speaker 1>the attacks against teachers. Any mere mention of Muhammad and

0:34:37.110 --> 0:34:42.950
<v Speaker 1>there is a risk of life. There's that saying, Peter,

0:34:42.969 --> 0:34:49.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, that demography is destiny. I look at France

0:34:49.540 --> 0:34:51.450
<v Speaker 1>and I've gone there for many, many years. I look

0:34:51.489 --> 0:34:53.970
<v Speaker 1>at France now and I wonder whether it's too far gone.

0:34:54.890 --> 0:34:55.489
<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

0:34:55.730 --> 0:34:59.540
<v Speaker 12>Yes, it's changed so dramatically and very quickly, frankly, in

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:03.140
<v Speaker 12>the last 10 years or so because of the pickup

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:06.660
<v Speaker 12>in the pace of migration. And the same is true

0:35:06.890 --> 0:35:10.549
<v Speaker 12>in Belgium. We're all aware of the significant problems that

0:35:10.610 --> 0:35:14.219
<v Speaker 12>has been created in Germany with Angela Merkel bringing in

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.960
<v Speaker 12>so many people from Syria. So there's a massive problem

0:35:18.140 --> 0:35:23.270
<v Speaker 12>all across Europe And it certainly feeds into the political

0:35:23.489 --> 0:35:27.110
<v Speaker 12>crisis that we see on the streets of French cities today.

0:35:28.300 --> 0:35:32.660
<v Speaker 12>One synagogue, by the way, I notice, destroyed in Paris

0:35:32.700 --> 0:35:35.279
<v Speaker 12>as well. So there's a strong anti-Semitic element to it

0:35:35.340 --> 0:35:38.790
<v Speaker 12>as well. This is the left turning on the European

0:35:38.850 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 12>political system. and goodness knows how far it's going to

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 12>go because the immediate challenge is for the police to

0:35:45.860 --> 0:35:48.850
<v Speaker 12>get the streets back under control, and that doesn't seem

0:35:48.870 --> 0:35:50.450
<v Speaker 12>to be happening easily in France.

0:35:51.969 --> 0:35:54.629
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we saw a little outbreak in northern Italy that

0:35:54.790 --> 0:35:57.810
<v Speaker 1>has been quashed pretty quickly in Milan and elsewhere. I

0:35:57.830 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 1>think it was Bologna, and Giorgio Bologna doesn't muck around.

0:36:00.820 --> 0:36:03.580
<v Speaker 1>It'll be interesting to see whether it, you know, finds

0:36:03.620 --> 0:36:06.299
<v Speaker 1>its way to Spain with the left government there has

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 1>basically opened the door, as you know, to a whole

0:36:08.180 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 1>lot of of undocumented migrants. Just quickly, this story out

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.089
<v Speaker 1>of London. There's a man on the screen I'll show you,

0:36:14.390 --> 0:36:18.450
<v Speaker 1>Mohammed Yassin, part of al-Qaeda, part of the unit that

0:36:18.489 --> 0:36:23.169
<v Speaker 1>beheaded the British man Ken Bigley. He joined ISIS, ended

0:36:23.250 --> 0:36:26.489
<v Speaker 1>up in Germany, then made his way to Britain illegally.

0:36:26.989 --> 0:36:29.340
<v Speaker 1>He was locked up for six months of a two-year

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:33.299
<v Speaker 1>sentence and now is reportedly out free and living in

0:36:33.340 --> 0:36:39.759
<v Speaker 1>a taxpayer-funded hostel in Britain. How absurd is this?

0:36:41.780 --> 0:36:42.739
<v Speaker 6>It's just outrageous.

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:46.930
<v Speaker 12>I understand he also did a five-year term in Germany

0:36:46.989 --> 0:36:51.170
<v Speaker 12>convicted of the most heinous terrorist crimes. And then the

0:36:51.190 --> 0:36:55.210
<v Speaker 12>Germans tried to deport him to Iraq and he was

0:36:55.290 --> 0:36:57.970
<v Speaker 12>not allowed to be deported for fear of his safety

0:36:58.030 --> 0:37:00.870
<v Speaker 12>if he went back to Iraq. Now he's managed to

0:37:01.350 --> 0:37:04.360
<v Speaker 12>end up in the UK. And, you know, we have

0:37:04.390 --> 0:37:06.990
<v Speaker 12>a situation here where so often it seems the legal

0:37:07.050 --> 0:37:11.250
<v Speaker 12>systems of Western democracies is being used against us to

0:37:11.330 --> 0:37:13.950
<v Speaker 12>privilege the interests of people who should not be in

0:37:14.030 --> 0:37:14.830
<v Speaker 12>our societies.

0:37:14.910 --> 0:37:15.830
<v Speaker 3>It's outrageous.

0:37:16.370 --> 0:37:18.010
<v Speaker 12>And I think this will just add to the sense

0:37:18.050 --> 0:37:22.690
<v Speaker 12>of political anger that exists in the UK right now. And, again,

0:37:22.850 --> 0:37:25.570
<v Speaker 12>let's not underestimate the potential for the sort of violence

0:37:25.610 --> 0:37:28.629
<v Speaker 12>we've seen on the streets in France. to cross over

0:37:28.670 --> 0:37:32.470
<v Speaker 12>to the Channel and potentially start to impact in the UK.

0:37:32.510 --> 0:37:35.209
<v Speaker 12>There's an awful lot of copycat violence in these circumstances.

0:37:35.739 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 12>So it's something we should be concerned about, I think,

0:37:38.180 --> 0:37:38.940
<v Speaker 12>also in Australia.

0:37:40.500 --> 0:37:42.380
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's shocking. It's a shocking weekend of news, I

0:37:42.380 --> 0:37:45.060
<v Speaker 1>have to say. Thank you, Peter Jennings. After the break,

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 1>we'll have a bit of hope, a change of pace.

0:37:47.820 --> 0:37:51.940
<v Speaker 1>One of my favourite authors, the wonderful man Lee Shwing Sen,

0:37:52.070 --> 0:37:55.690
<v Speaker 1>the author of Mao's Last Dancer, joins me in the studio.

0:38:01.219 --> 0:38:04.110
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. Seven o'clock, press conference, Prime Minister and Tony

0:38:04.130 --> 0:38:08.009
<v Speaker 1>Burke in relation to a horrific accident today suffered by

0:38:08.370 --> 0:38:12.049
<v Speaker 1>Helen Haynes, the independent MP in the city of Indi

0:38:12.140 --> 0:38:15.180
<v Speaker 1>in Victoria. We'll know more about that in a moment.

0:38:15.219 --> 0:38:18.020
<v Speaker 1>But now, hope. We need some hope, don't we? It's

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.460
<v Speaker 1>been a pretty tough show tonight. Let's go to the

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>remarkable story of Li Shui-Shen. Born into utter poverty in

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.590
<v Speaker 1>Mao's communist China, he was selected as a child to

0:38:27.630 --> 0:38:32.130
<v Speaker 1>train at Madame Mao's Beijing Dance Academy, beginning a journey

0:38:32.150 --> 0:38:36.820
<v Speaker 1>that would take him from that brutal seven-year training regime...

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:40.460
<v Speaker 1>to becoming one of the world's great ballet dancers. It's

0:38:40.500 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 1>an extraordinary story. And it, of course, was the book,

0:38:43.980 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 1>Mao's Last Dancer, that he authored. It's an autobiography, but

0:38:49.820 --> 0:38:54.420
<v Speaker 1>was also made into that award winning international film. He's

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:58.569
<v Speaker 1>a much loved Australian. He left dance, went to finance

0:38:58.690 --> 0:39:02.140
<v Speaker 1>and then came back to lead the Australian ballet for

0:39:02.140 --> 0:39:07.940
<v Speaker 1>12 years, transforming it into a world-class dance company. But

0:39:07.980 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>there's more. He's got a new book out now. It's

0:39:10.780 --> 0:39:15.740
<v Speaker 1>the sequel to Mal's Last Dancer. It's called The Lucky Son.

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:19.330
<v Speaker 1>I'm pleased to say I'm proud to call him a

0:39:19.430 --> 0:39:23.529
<v Speaker 1>friend and he joins me now in the studio. This

0:39:23.590 --> 0:39:28.540
<v Speaker 1>is a fantastic book. coming into Christmas, but not least

0:39:28.610 --> 0:39:32.650
<v Speaker 1>of all, you are now part of the Australian migrant story.

0:39:33.130 --> 0:39:36.580
<v Speaker 1>And I think around the country, particularly after your first book,

0:39:37.580 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 1>everyone's just taken you to Hartley. You know, you are,

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>you and that book and the story you told is

0:39:45.900 --> 0:39:50.260
<v Speaker 1>something we hold very dear. What prompted you to write

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.620
<v Speaker 1>this next, I guess I can call it a chapter

0:39:54.180 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 1>of your life story? Yes.

0:39:56.160 --> 0:40:01.020
<v Speaker 13>Miles Last Dancer's story finished in 1988. So it's been

0:40:01.460 --> 0:40:05.980
<v Speaker 13>really 38 years ago. And ever since then, of course,

0:40:06.060 --> 0:40:09.339
<v Speaker 13>readers from all around the world have been asking me

0:40:09.820 --> 0:40:12.459
<v Speaker 13>to write a follow-up. They want to know more about

0:40:12.500 --> 0:40:16.580
<v Speaker 13>my life, my wife's life, my parents, six brothers and

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 13>all the people involved that they really cared deeply about

0:40:21.260 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 13>in My Last Answer. But it really took me 23

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:29.060
<v Speaker 13>years since the publication of My Last Answer to really

0:40:29.100 --> 0:40:32.980
<v Speaker 13>decide what I was going to write next. And the

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<v Speaker 13>time feels right. Yes. After I retired from the Queensland Ballet,

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<v Speaker 13>I felt a follow-up, a sequel, is the right thing

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<v Speaker 13>to write.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've got a copy of it here. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>The Lucky Son. I mean... That's a beautiful title. Why

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<v Speaker 1>do you regard yourself as the lucky son?

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<v Speaker 13>My mother always called me her lucky son because the

0:40:57.410 --> 0:41:03.630
<v Speaker 13>luck comes with responsibility. Ever since a child living in China,

0:41:04.010 --> 0:41:07.910
<v Speaker 13>my aspiration, my dream was to help my family, my

0:41:07.950 --> 0:41:11.529
<v Speaker 13>parents and six brothers, to help them to improve their

0:41:11.690 --> 0:41:17.140
<v Speaker 13>living standard because we were born in such poverty. peasants

0:41:17.219 --> 0:41:21.460
<v Speaker 13>even at tree blocks to survive in some of the years.

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<v Speaker 13>So for me, that willingness and that desire to help

0:41:25.980 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 13>my family always motivated me to try harder in life.

0:41:31.070 --> 0:41:35.050
<v Speaker 13>And also, I count myself very fortunate. Along the journey,

0:41:35.510 --> 0:41:39.790
<v Speaker 13>some special people have helped me to reach my potential

0:41:40.350 --> 0:41:42.550
<v Speaker 13>and to become one of the top dancers in the world.

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<v Speaker 13>So I feel so grateful for all the things happened

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<v Speaker 13>to me in my life and to be grateful to

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<v Speaker 13>be in this beautiful country.

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<v Speaker 1>They say, though, don't they, that people sort of make

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:58.219
<v Speaker 1>their own luck as well. I mean, don't underplay your

0:41:58.340 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>own sense of drive and doggedness, resilience and those things.

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.790
<v Speaker 1>Do you think we've lost that a little bit in humanity,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in a wealthy country like Australia? Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>we are determined enough to make our success or do

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<v Speaker 1>we think it's got to be handed to us.

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<v Speaker 8>On a plate.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, I think things came quite easily for the young generation.

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<v Speaker 13>And I do worry about my own children as well,

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<v Speaker 13>because by going through very tough experiences in my early

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:34.100
<v Speaker 13>childhood had made me more resilient, more determined to make

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:37.970
<v Speaker 13>things work. And when opportunity came my way, I tried

0:42:38.050 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 13>my best to make something out of it. So I

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<v Speaker 13>think you do create your own luck. And I think

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<v Speaker 13>the harder I work, the luckier I got. I truly

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<v Speaker 13>feel that way. And then the more success emerge from

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:52.219
<v Speaker 13>the hard work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you weren't just a world-class dancer. I mean, you

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:57.450
<v Speaker 1>go from nothing to that. Then you take on finance.

0:42:57.469 --> 0:43:00.950
<v Speaker 1>You become incredibly successful in that world. And then you

0:43:00.969 --> 0:43:04.590
<v Speaker 1>take on the Queensland Ballet and take it from a

0:43:04.650 --> 0:43:11.870
<v Speaker 1>relatively provincial organisation to to a world-leading dance company. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what makes you special to touch all these different things

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<v Speaker 1>and make such a success of them?

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<v Speaker 13>I guess I can put down to the thirst to learn,

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<v Speaker 13>to improve, to have an open mind with new opportunities

0:43:29.930 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 13>and to be adaptable, willing to reinvent yourself along the way.

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<v Speaker 13>Because I always get excited when opportunities come my way.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm always thinking, how could I make the very best

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<v Speaker 13>of these opportunities? And because they are rare.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at someone with your upbringing and the country

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<v Speaker 1>that you came from, and I sometimes think that we

0:43:55.280 --> 0:44:00.700
<v Speaker 1>in Australia don't cherish our democracy and our freedoms as

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<v Speaker 1>we should. What are your lessons for Australia?

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<v Speaker 13>Oh, I value freedom above anything. For me to have

0:44:10.570 --> 0:44:12.210
<v Speaker 13>gained freedom, I nearly.

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<v Speaker 6>Sacrificed my life over it.

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<v Speaker 13>But it was worth that sacrifice. Freedom have given me

0:44:20.170 --> 0:44:26.390
<v Speaker 13>boundless opportunities and to give me such freedom to pursue

0:44:26.489 --> 0:44:29.830
<v Speaker 13>my dreams, whatever I want to do in the world,

0:44:30.250 --> 0:44:33.990
<v Speaker 13>in a country like Australia. So there's no excuse for

0:44:34.050 --> 0:44:38.239
<v Speaker 13>young generation can't really achieve their best and make their

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<v Speaker 13>own contributions to our country.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you, Lee.

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful book. Can't wait to get into it. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for joining me tonight.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Shwing-San, you're looking for Christmas gift. There it is.

0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.270
<v Speaker 1>Penguin Books. Get in and buy it. If it's like

0:44:53.290 --> 0:44:55.670
<v Speaker 1>the first one, it'll sell out fast. He's a magnificent

0:44:55.710 --> 0:44:57.799
<v Speaker 1>human being. All right, quick break. After the break, we'll

0:44:57.820 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 1>get into an update. If I've got you for something

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<v Speaker 1>on Helen Haynes and my panel, Nicole Flint and James Morrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. I was going to bring in my panel

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<v Speaker 1>to run through a whole lot of other issues, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think we'll bring in Andrew Clennell, who joins us

0:45:16.530 --> 0:45:18.469
<v Speaker 1>in a moment. He's our political editor, of course, here

0:45:18.489 --> 0:45:21.779
<v Speaker 1>at News24 for an update today. In relation to an

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:27.860
<v Speaker 1>incident involving the Indi independent MP, Helen Haynes, she's 65

0:45:27.860 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 1>years of age. She has been that member, first elected

0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:34.380
<v Speaker 1>in 2019, re-elected in 2022. So this is her second

0:45:34.420 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 1>term in parliament. It seems that she was struck by

0:45:38.140 --> 0:45:42.279
<v Speaker 1>a car this afternoon in Wangaratta. That's the main... a

0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:45.609
<v Speaker 1>provincial town of the seat of Indi. But as to

0:45:45.690 --> 0:45:50.469
<v Speaker 1>details from that on, from then on, there's very little around.

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<v Speaker 1>But the man who will know is my colleague, Andrew Clennell,

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<v Speaker 1>who joins me now live on the phone. Andrew, shocking news.

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<v Speaker 1>It broke just as I went to air and I

0:45:59.180 --> 0:46:02.360
<v Speaker 1>spoke to Jess Wilson about it, of course, here at

0:46:02.380 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 1>the desk. What can you tell us?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, good evening, Peter. It is shocking news and it's horrifying.

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<v Speaker 8>And look, there's no doubt in the minds tonight of

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<v Speaker 8>the Prime Minister or Home Affairs Minister that it's a

0:46:15.570 --> 0:46:22.440
<v Speaker 8>targeted attack. And the situation was Helen Haynes, the reports

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 8>have been she was loading up the boot of her

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:28.799
<v Speaker 8>car outside her Wangaratta electorate office just before 4pm and

0:46:28.860 --> 0:46:33.149
<v Speaker 8>a man's in an SUV. He's driven past her, seen her.

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<v Speaker 8>These are reports that are coming in tonight, I should say.

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<v Speaker 8>They're not verified, but and done a U-turn and targeted her.

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<v Speaker 8>And at a nearby barber shop, it's been reported, some

0:46:48.100 --> 0:46:51.560
<v Speaker 8>people there came out and restrained the man until police arrived.

0:46:52.460 --> 0:46:54.779
<v Speaker 8>And he was found to have a pocket knife in

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 8>his pocket. So who knows what would have happened if

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 8>he wasn't restrained. But this is a significant moment in

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:05.250
<v Speaker 8>Australian political history in my book. just confirming again that

0:47:05.290 --> 0:47:08.379
<v Speaker 8>senior government sources telling me this is a targeted attack,

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<v Speaker 8>and that's what I believe the Prime Minister will talk

0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:14.940
<v Speaker 8>about shortly. And you think to Joe Cox or David

0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:17.740
<v Speaker 8>Amess in the UK, you think to attacks in the US,

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:21.160
<v Speaker 8>and it's finally come here. And, look, I've had Tony Burke,

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:24.060
<v Speaker 8>the Home Affairs Minister, warn that this is coming on

0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:27.140
<v Speaker 8>my program. The PM's also had fears this is coming.

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<v Speaker 8>The level of threats against politicians in this country have

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<v Speaker 8>tripled in recent years. There's now said to be three

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<v Speaker 8>a day. And, you know, Helen Haynes, a very nice

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:41.360
<v Speaker 8>person from my dealings with her, there are reports, again,

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 8>these are just reports, that she may have lost a

0:47:46.700 --> 0:47:51.290
<v Speaker 8>limb and she may be in serious strife in hospital there.

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<v Speaker 8>Her family put out a statement a short time ago

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<v Speaker 8>where they said that she was being cared for and

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<v Speaker 8>their privacy be respected at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I've got the family statement here. Yeah, I've got

0:48:06.540 --> 0:48:10.239
<v Speaker 1>the family statement here and it gives us very little information.

0:48:10.300 --> 0:48:12.759
<v Speaker 1>It says, this afternoon our beloved Helen was involved in

0:48:12.780 --> 0:48:17.050
<v Speaker 1>an incident outside her electorate office in Wangaratta receiving medical care.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks bystanders and others for swift assistance provided to her.

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<v Speaker 1>They then say no further comment at this stage. I

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<v Speaker 1>will say the Herald Sun is reporting that police are

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<v Speaker 1>investigating the incident, Andrew. I'll leave it there if I can.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll go now, of course, to Andrew Bolt and await

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<v Speaker 1>this press conference scheduled for 7 o'clock involving the Prime

0:48:37.460 --> 0:48:41.670
<v Speaker 1>Minister and Home Affairs Minister, Tony Burke, who has carriage

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<v Speaker 1>of the issues in relation to the security of parliamentarians and,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, ASIO. That's it for me. See you tomorrow.