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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pit Talk of Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, Australia is

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Speaker 1: set to have two Australians on the grid again from

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Speaker 1: this weekend, with Jack Doan set for an early F

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Speaker 1: one debut and Max Forstaffen wins for a ninth time

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Speaker 1: this year in Kata on another damaging weekend for teammates,

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Speaker 1: ser Joe Perez. My name's Michael Lamanato, motorsport writer for

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have your company and

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Speaker 1: the company of my co host from Speed Cafe. He

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Speaker 1: was offered a postseason test with Haas, but he's chosen

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Speaker 1: to remain loyal to the podcast. He knows well it's.

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Speaker 2: Matt Cosh and just quietly, I'm hanging out for that

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Speaker 2: second Red Bull seat. I figure I'm in with a

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Speaker 2: good shot of that at the moment.

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Speaker 1: How many there must be a lot of phone calls

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Speaker 1: being made. I mean it, no one can predict one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent what Red Bull wants to do as we

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Speaker 1: learn this year.

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Speaker 2: But still just on the sly as I was walking

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Speaker 2: out of the circuit on Sunday night, as you walk

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Speaker 2: out the media room, sort of you looked here right,

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Speaker 2: and there's a RedBull hospitality site. There was a long,

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Speaker 2: orderly queue of drivers with helmets me out of that,

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Speaker 2: all looking nervously over the shoulder of the driver in front,

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Speaker 2: looking for Christian. I think there's a few drivers keen

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Speaker 2: on a drive for next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I paint some picture in two ways. First

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Speaker 1: of all, yes, we are talking to Matt from Kata

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Speaker 1: this weekend. And second, yes, all drivers get around the

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Speaker 1: paddock in full gear and helmets just so they're easily identifiable.

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Speaker 1: If you buy your program, you can line up the

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Speaker 1: helmet design. The helmet's design change constantly, d't They so

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Speaker 1: very frustrating from that perspective. But it has been an

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Speaker 1: interesting week in news. In fact, it's been an interesting

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Speaker 1: weekend in news, fast evolving, with news even breaking after

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Speaker 1: Sunday's race, referencing, of course, Jack Dowan's early F one debut.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that a little bit later. Let's take

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Speaker 1: you through some of the five stories that might have

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Speaker 1: actually went missing over the course of the last four

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Speaker 1: or five days. So listen to the last podcast and

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Speaker 1: let's start with this. The Kuta Investment Authority will buy

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Speaker 1: a significant minority share in audis f one Project, which

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Speaker 1: is currently the sober team head of the German brand's

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Speaker 1: former debut in twenty twenty six. National Sovereign Wealth Fund

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Speaker 1: also owns a steak in parent company Volksfucker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I already had a presence in Qatar over

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Speaker 2: the weekend and we're sort of giving a bit of

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Speaker 2: background on this, And basically the reason it's being explained

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Speaker 2: now is that they're about to take full learnership. When

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Speaker 2: already bought the team, it didn't take a one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent ownership steak. It's since acquired the bit that it

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Speaker 2: didn't buy originally from it's current of Fuinn rousing. That

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Speaker 2: completes in early early January. Beyond that, I've then got

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Speaker 2: full control. They can then sell a steak, which I've

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Speaker 2: done on to QA. That's a process bit ongoing for

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Speaker 2: the better part of twelve months. I've sold about and

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Speaker 2: depending up on who you believe, either thirty or thirty

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Speaker 2: three percent, But however you choose to cut that up,

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Speaker 2: it works out between sort of three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: million dollars, which puts evaluation on the team of about

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Speaker 2: a billion dollars, which when you accept that already paid

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Speaker 2: I think six hundred and fifty million for it. I've

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Speaker 2: taken money for jam and that cash will be used

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Speaker 2: to higher equipment and the higher new staff at Hinville.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's a logical move. It just puts in

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Speaker 2: the terms of the business, puts Audi in a similar

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Speaker 2: so it's sort of it makes sense. It's a lot

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Speaker 2: of news about some admin really well, I.

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Speaker 1: Think because advertising gambling is banned, we have to call

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Speaker 1: it a thirty percent kick in the sober team. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to Mercedes now, which is announced that Mick Schumacher

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Speaker 1: has chosen to leave his or a hole as reserve driver.

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Speaker 1: That was the way they phrased it, anyway, with the

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Speaker 2: Well just moved on, hasn't it. And this is I

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Speaker 2: this is the battle that Franco colopinto will soon face

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Speaker 2: where unless you're in the limelight, you quickly form of

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Speaker 2: be interesting to see vouchery Botas if he lands there.

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Speaker 2: He's still very highly thought of within Mercedes, and then

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Speaker 2: So I think he's got to be a first Cup

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, you've stolen my thunder for item number three,

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Speaker 1: which is that valtry Botas has always confirmed he's going

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Speaker 1: for him, but it does put it's emphasized I suppose

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Speaker 1: how important these reserve driver roles are. Maybe less so

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Speaker 2: You mentioned a good point there. It is a path

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Speaker 1: Let's look at the FIA now, let's start with the

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Speaker 1: positive story, because new F one race director Rui Marquez

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Speaker 2: That was addressed overnight, So the feedback is being listened

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Speaker 2: half of your point, which is a positive news out

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Speaker 2: of the FAA, Michael, it suggests to me that you're

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, maybe much like our alternative championship. There's always

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Speaker 1: In the case of that alternative championship. Our final point

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Speaker 2: It's a very combative interview that he gave, and then

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Speaker 2: there's more to come out of that. There's an hour

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Speaker 2: So there's plenty more to come out of that yet.

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Speaker 2: But it's an interesting statement. It's a belligerent statement, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's beneficial. It also seems to contradict

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Speaker 1: He's been transparently belligerent. I suppose it's not pretending he's.

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Speaker 2: Not, so you know he's got your word's not mine.

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Speaker 2: I know he used the word president. I was question

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Speaker 1: I was quoting you? Thank you very much transparently. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: In his place will be reserve driver and the man

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Speaker 1: so that it would be Jack replacing him. He's chosen,

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Speaker 1: He's effectively chosen. There was some negotiation negotiation involved to

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much input he had into that choice,

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Speaker 2: shall we say, I think it might have been made

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Speaker 2: for him. Ochlan has been on thin ice with that

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Speaker 2: there is one rule in Formula one where you don't

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Speaker 2: make contact with your teammate, and he pretty comprehensively broke

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Speaker 2: that one in Monaco, and tensions have remained throughout. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there was a double podium in South Paolo, but that

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Speaker 2: so I can talk about verbatim, but it gave me

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Speaker 2: a very good insight into the esteem with which Esteban

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Speaker 2: decision because Estun's management system is quite complicated. It's shared

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Speaker 2: Flavio Briatorio. So the lots of those conversations happening that

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Speaker 2: But it's dealing with that, dealing with traffic, dealing with

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Speaker 2: bit different, and just use it to bed things down.

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Speaker 2: Get everything on the front foot for when we do

433
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Speaker 2: get to Melbourne. Also, learn what happens outside of the

434
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Speaker 2: car in Formula one. He's had a little taste of

435
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Speaker 2: the media, he's had a little to the fandom that

436
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,959
Speaker 2: goes alongside it. But yeah, he's going to get used

437
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: to the criticism. He's going to get used to the pressure.

438
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 2: The media in Formula one is merciless. He would not

439
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: have experienced anything like it, and if he puts a

440
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: foot wrong, he's going to get crucified for it. He's

441
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: going to have to get used to that. It is

442
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 2: a completely different game where every time you scratch your nose,

443
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: you're you're analyzed for it, and that nothing you can

444
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Speaker 2: do in your junior career, or in a simulator, or

445
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: on a test track or in an FP one session

446
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: can prepare you for that. So that's what this weekend

447
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,719
Speaker 2: is about it's all the periphery stuff to what we

448
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 2: know we can already do behind the wheel.

449
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Speaker 1: Let's look at the cut out Grand Prix now more broadly,

450
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Speaker 1: maximstaff and one. He's ninth Grand Prix of the season.

451
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Speaker 1: He's first in the dry since June. It's the Spanish

452
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Speaker 1: Grand Prix. It was a long time that Brazilian drought

453
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Speaker 1: breaker really made a little bit of a difference to

454
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Speaker 1: that one. Despite him winning, though, Red Bull Racing cannot

455
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Speaker 1: win the Constructors Championship that is going down to the

456
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Speaker 1: wire in Abu Dhabi between McLaren and Ferrari. Ferrari, despite expectations,

457
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: actually managing to call back just three points but a

458
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Speaker 1: few important points potentially on its Constructors Championship deficit that

459
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Speaker 1: stands at twenty one points going into the final round.

460
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Speaker 1: I want to start with Red Bull Racing though, because

461
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Speaker 1: this has been one of the other moving stories against

462
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Speaker 1: to come out of this penultimate round. I mean realistic,

463
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Speaker 1: this minute story that's been going for probably about six months,

464
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Speaker 1: but it feels like it's finally coming to a head.

465
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Speaker 1: And that is the status of Sergio Perez at that team.

466
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Speaker 1: We've talked about this plenty of times before Matt that

467
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Speaker 1: his lack of points is directly responsible for Red Bull

468
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Speaker 1: Racing now not being able to defend its Constructors' championship.

469
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Speaker 1: He's more than two hundred points behind Max Verstappen in

470
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Speaker 1: the standings. Had another really difficult weekend this weekend. Didn't

471
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Speaker 1: finish in the points in the Grand Prix or the sprint.

472
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Speaker 1: Qualified in the bottom five in the sprint. We run

473
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Speaker 1: through the greatest hits there that happened him this weekends.

474
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Speaker 1: Seemed to miss the start of the sprint. He says

475
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Speaker 1: it was intentional. Christian Hornet suggestions as the first he'd

476
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Speaker 1: ever heard of that plan to let Franco Colopinto overtake

477
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Speaker 1: him in pitt Lane. Spun himself out of this race.

478
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: I really expected someone to say it was a technical problem,

479
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: but simply just fun himself out of the race behind

480
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Speaker 1: the safety carent and Bertie's clut's trying to rejoin. So

481
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Speaker 1: no points and the language from Christian Horner has grown

482
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Speaker 1: increasingly clear. After months of sort of ob the skating

483
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Speaker 1: and saying, oh, you know, he's got a contract and

484
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: so on, he's using language now that, essentially, to paraphrase,

485
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Speaker 1: Perry should see the riding on the walls up to him,

486
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Speaker 1: which maybe suggests this won't be straightforward sacking, but rather

487
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: some kind of agreement. But it seems clearer than ever now,

488
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: if not by virtual of his performances than actually by

489
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: decisions to be made, that this will be Serjo Perry's

490
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Speaker 1: last race for Red Bull Racing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Christiana Hart is not defending him anymore, is he.

492
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Speaker 2: There's been a very subtle but very deliberate change in

493
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Speaker 2: language coming from the top brass at Red Bull. The

494
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: patients has worn out. Someone mentions I haven't checked this,

495
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 2: but someone mentioned to me that if Max wins this

496
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Speaker 2: weekend and gets the bonus point for fast Slap, his

497
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: score at the end of the season will be triple

498
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Speaker 2: that of Sergio's. Maybe you can take your socks off

499
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: and do the sums on that while I talk Bear Michael.

500
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Speaker 2: But and that's an extraordinary thing, and it's exactly why

501
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: Sergio will not race at rebul In twenty twenty five.

502
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: The coming weekend is his final race for the team.

503
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Speaker 2: Whether he knows that yet or not, or he accepts

504
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: that yet or not, is a different matter. But ultimately,

505
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: following the Abby Derby Grand Prix, an official decision will

506
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: be made or at least communicated on pretty confident decision

507
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: has already been made on a couple of things connected

508
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Speaker 2: to that from you know what I've read, and I

509
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: hate to give credit to someone else, but planning left

510
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: one is you know, saying that you know he's going

511
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Speaker 2: to be and be offered an ambassadorial role, a little

512
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Speaker 2: bit like what Daniel Ricardo had as a way to

513
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Speaker 2: sort of soften the blow. He can take that or

514
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Speaker 2: get a boot up the bum. Basically, you know, you

515
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: take what we offer you or will get rid of you.

516
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: Either way, he's not going to be there next year.

517
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: The patience is gone, which then opens another can of

518
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 2: worms as to who do they put into that into

519
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: that seat. But you know, this isn't something that's built

520
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: up over the last two or three races. This is

521
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: a year long problem, and realistically it was what China

522
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: Miami maybe there was his last decent race. Since then

523
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 2: he has been dismal. And Sergio Perez is an exceptional

524
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: racing driver. Every driver that is informedly one is an

525
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: exceptional racing driver. We're talking about a percentage point or

526
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Speaker 2: two difference to Max, who is a generational talent. It's

527
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Speaker 2: a tough job and unfortunately, I'm sorry to sound like

528
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: Christian of horning here, unfortunately, so just wanting. And when

529
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Speaker 2: you're fighting teams that are now at the caliber and

530
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Speaker 2: strengths of McLaren and Ferrari and Mercedes, who have two

531
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: drivers regularly contributing solid points, you cannot carry a passenger. Yeah,

532
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: I mean just jo is going to cost them more money.

533
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to paint that picture on the points situation.

534
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: Since Formula One left Europe, he's been outscored by both

535
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: hass drivers, both Alpine drivers obviously through that double podium,

536
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: also Fernando Alonso, and hasn't finished higher than sixth since

537
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: the Miami Grand Prix. As you pointed out, there three

538
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: in the last six races, three of them he has

539
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: walked away with no points. Three of them he's walked

540
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: away with one point. They're not front running car results.

541
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Speaker 1: They are midfield car results in a car that has okay,

542
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: it's not been the fastest car for a long time now,

543
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: very rarely has been. Maybe it was the weekend, but

544
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: has not been a car that should be racing on

545
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: the cusp of the top ten. It should by rights

546
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: be top eight, and I thought it was pretty taling

547
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: and I think we've done this before. Of course, at

548
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: the start of the he said, well, of course we

549
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: can assume the top seven positions this weekend will be

550
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: locked out in Abu Dhabi because you just can't predict

551
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: where Sergioperi is are going to finish. Half the time,

552
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: it's actually been outside of the points.

553
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been poor and I know that's not

554
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: what the Mexican fans want to hear, but as Australians,

555
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: I think we're in an educated position to make these

556
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: comments because we've been through it with Daniel. There's no

557
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: explanation as to why Daniel's career suddenly nosedived. On paper,

558
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: he should have succeeded at McLaren. On paper, he should

559
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: have succeeded at Abe. For whatever reason, something happened there

560
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: was it was like a switch was flicked and he

561
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: was just he wasn't the same driver again, and you

562
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: get the feeling. We saw a little bit of that

563
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: last year from sort of the Miami Grand Prix, strangely

564
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: enough last year with Max going on that run of wins,

565
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: and then we've seen it again this year. Something has

566
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: happened in the brains. It's interesting if you stop step

567
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: back and look at some of the drivers. I wonder

568
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: if that switches in the process of being flicked. For

569
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: Lewis as well, they've got it and it's gone the

570
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: next and I think for Sergio sadly, it's gone just

571
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: like it went for Daniel. So it's it's the brutal

572
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 2: nature of Formula One and Red Bull isn't in the

573
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: business of being patient. I think Sergio has actually been

574
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: very lucky. If you look back at Red Ball throughout

575
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: its history, it's been very brutal with its drivers, decisions,

576
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: very cutthroat. This year and I agree arguably even going

577
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: back to last year with Diverse, it's been a little

578
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: bit more soft, a little bit more emotive, and that

579
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: to me speaks of the influence of Christian Horner in

580
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: some of that decision making process. Because Daniel Ricardo was

581
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: an emotive appointment from Christian Horner. Is the decision to

582
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: retain Sergio Perez was a Horner's decision as well, And

583
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 2: again it felt a motive because after Singapore, I mean,

584
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: hell that the championship, the constructor championship was lost. Why

585
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: don't you make a change. Making a change that rbing

586
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: made no sense from a logical It makes sense from

587
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: a perhaps an a motive standpoint, but not from a

588
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: rusial or so you may as well. You know, if

589
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: you're going to make a big change, make a big change,

590
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: don't drink half major. That's where you throw Daniel Ricardo

591
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: in see if there's any difference. There might be, there

592
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: might not, but you've got your answer. And yet here

593
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: we are at the end of the year in a

594
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: position where it can't carry on as it is, and

595
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: Sergio is about to have his Formula One career end

596
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: in a whimper.

597
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you've got to wonder what could have

598
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: had been made of this season, and Daniel Riccardo got

599
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: the nod there. Maybe it wouldn't have been much better,

600
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: But in retrospect it's been shown up to have been

601
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: a mistake not to at least try it, because Sergio

602
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: pair is, other than that one brief weekend in Baku

603
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: in which he still walked away with no points, has

604
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 1: not looked anything like the driver Red Bull was hoping

605
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: he would rebecome in the second half of the year.

606
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: The other side of this equation, I think You're right

607
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: to point out that Red Bulls dealt with him differently

608
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: than it has drivers in the past. I think that

609
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: actually started when he arrived at the team, because they

610
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: recognize the way they dealt with piter Gasly and Alex

611
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: Albon wasn't conducive to getting the best out of them.

612
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: Both drivers thrown in the deep end. Particularly in Alban's case.

613
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: It's informed one half a year when he got them

614
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: not to move up to Red Bull Racing. But I

615
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: think that puts the focus now on what happens next,

616
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: because it seems like the odds are back on Liam

617
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: Lawson being the driver who replaces Sergio Perez. He will

618
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: arrive with eleven Grand Prix starts, so pretty much the

619
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: same situation Alex Albon was in, except those Grand Prix

620
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: starts aren't even contiguous. Half of them were last year,

621
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: and then he was sort of on the sidelines again

622
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: this year. Now he's back, it'll be interesting to see

623
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: how they deal with that, because, if anything, it's a

624
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: worse time than ever to join Red Bull Racing because

625
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of expectation, this being a title

626
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: winning era. We're up against Max Withstappan who's never been

627
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: in better form. But you're racing a car. We don't

628
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: know what it's going to be like next year, of course,

629
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: but a car in the second half of this year

630
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: that's been very unpredictable, hard even for the team and

631
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: at times for even Verstappen to get the best out of.

632
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: This is a pretty high risk situation for whoever were

633
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: to get that nod L. Let's just say lead Lawson.

634
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Realctically, there were potentially four drivers that were in

635
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: the frame. That's now a shortlist of two, but let's

636
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: go through all four. The absolute wild card outside was

637
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: color Science and he was a name connected even in

638
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: the last week to Red Bull. That's understood. There's a

639
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: clauseing is Williams contract that he could move to a

640
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: team that was higher up the grid, a race winning

641
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: team shot down. But that will be a fascinating concept,

642
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: particularly if you start to look at red Bull beyond

643
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: the immediate max for staff in era, because that will

644
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: end at some point, and that's where Red Bull's trying

645
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: to set itself up for. It's not just looking at

646
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Speaker 2: solving the immediate twenty twenty five driver issue. This is

647
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: starting to look at twenty six and beyond. What is

648
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: a succession plan? Beyond beyond this happened, science would have

649
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: been a curious, curious case there that didn't happen for

650
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: a multitude of reasons, but so he came and went.

651
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: The other one that was mentioned was Colo Pinto. Now

652
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: Franco burst onto the scene with its first three or

653
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: four races. His value just absolutely skyrocketed and he looked

654
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: like a brilliant superstar of the future. Quite possibly will be.

655
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: But he's entered this awkward phase of being a rookie

656
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: where he started to crash all every not every rookie.

657
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: Oscar Piastri didn't do it, but most rookies go through this,

658
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: this crash phase. Maxis Stappan did. This is unfortunate that

659
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: in the short run of races that colo Pinto's got

660
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: that his crash phases happened. Now as a sort of

661
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: red Bull and even Alpine were looking at him as

662
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: a potential candidate for next year, his value after South

663
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: Paolo and Las Vegas is absolutely nose dived. Red Bull

664
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: has no interest in him. He's off the radar, not

665
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: even at RB. The original plan was to put him

666
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: a red Bull. Then when the crashes started to happen,

667
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: or maybe it's RB and now it's not even in

668
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: contention for either of those drives, which leaves us in

669
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: a situation where Red Bull has to pick from the

670
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: pool of drivers that's got and that pool at the

671
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: moment is realistically Liam Lawson and Yuki Sonoda. So now

672
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: he's in the fourth year of his Formula One career,

673
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: has still shown himself to be highly unstable in the car,

674
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 2: and that he gets very wound up, very emotional, very

675
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: angry at times. He's a little bit inconsistent as well.

676
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: In his fourth year, you could also realistically suggest these approaching,

677
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: if not at sort of where his maximum level will be.

678
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson's nip and tuck with him after ten races,

679
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: which suggests that Liam, still far from the finished article,

680
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: has potentially a higher ceiling. You then look at them

681
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: off track and Yuki, because if you can can't differentiate

682
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: them on track, you've got to look at what they're

683
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: doing off track. Yuki off track has always had some concerns.

684
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: We don't know what they are, but for a long

685
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 2: time he wasn't in consideration for the Red Bull driver.

686
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 2: There's something that Red Bull don't like what they've seen.

687
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it's there. Conversely,

688
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: you've got a driver who Helmut Marco really strongly supports,

689
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: a driver who takes ownership of issues, seeks out Christian

690
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: Horner and the senior leadership at Red Bull when he

691
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: makes a mistake and owns it. He's also got this

692
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: at a wrote it a diy or two back. He's

693
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: got this. It's a fabulous genesqua. It's in French for

694
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: the thing that you can't be explained, but he's just

695
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: got it. It's that X factor, that little that sprinkle

696
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: of gold dust that drivers have and I can't explain

697
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: it any better than that. But he's got a presence

698
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: about him. Franco's got the same thing. Frankie Colpindo's got

699
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: the same thing. He's just got this little sparkle about him.

700
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: Yuki doesn't have that. The great Red Bull drivers have

701
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: had that. Maxi Staff and Sebastian Battle, even Danie Ricardo

702
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: for that matter. And it's something that Liam has and

703
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: can build on. Then taken marketing, look at things in

704
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 2: two or three or four years time, who is going

705
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: to lead the Red Bull team, Because at some point

706
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: Max is going to retire. We know he's here for

707
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: a good time, not a long time. Is Yuki Sanoda

708
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: the driver to lead the Red Bull Formula One program?

709
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel right. Is that person Liam Lawson? Maybe not,

710
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: but he feels a better fit. And that's purely from

711
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: a you know, watching their body language, the way they

712
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 2: interact with the engineer, the feeling within the team. Yuki

713
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: is not hugely popular within the team as well. He's

714
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: a hard man to work with. The understand there are

715
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 2: lots of little indicators all the way through that suggests

716
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: that when Sergio is kicked out, that Liam Lawson will

717
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: be the man for.

718
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: The job again with that French hat. And we assume,

719
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: speaking of that, Isaac Kadjar will then be the man

720
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: who slots into RBS contending for the Formula two Championship

721
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: this weekend. Having drawn, I think we did half a

722
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: point leader Gabrielle Borte letter. I hate the half points,

723
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: but that's the way it is.

724
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: This is the other piece that makes me think that

725
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: a decision has been made. So Hadja has a reputation

726
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: for being a dour Frenchman, I think is probably the

727
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: best way to put it. But in Qatar he was

728
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: bouncing around like a kid at Christmas. He was a

729
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: different person. And that's not just my own observations, that's

730
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 2: direct commentary from contacts within the Formula two Paddock who

731
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: are working directly with him over the course of the

732
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: weekend and had first hand experience with him, you know,

733
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: throughout the season and on that weekend, and noted you

734
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: know that they made specific note of the change in

735
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: demeanor to me and how they thought that meant that

736
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: a pretty significant decision had been made in his favor.

737
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: So I think, I think all the pieces are already decided.

738
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: We just have to get beyond Abydaby for that to

739
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: be communicated to us.

740
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll keep eyes peeled for as soon as the

741
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: teket flag falls in Avid Dhabi a little bit after that,

742
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: we're running out of time. But I do want touch

743
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: on a couple more things from this Grand Prix before

744
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: we get to the Alternative Championship, of course, and that

745
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: is the constructor's standing. This was meant to be a

746
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: big weekend for McLaren. They had the first opportunity to

747
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: seal the Constructors Championship. It was always unlikely. It was

748
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: always going to be a little bit difficult. They needed

749
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: probably the perfect result in quite a bad weekend for

750
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: Ferrari indi end, Ferrari had a slightly better weekend in

751
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: terms of race pace, at least than they were braced for,

752
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: even if the one lap pace was still a little

753
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: bit off. But McLaren didn't really have the advantage expected. Okay,

754
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: it was a one two in the sprints, Oscar Piastri

755
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: head of Lando Norris. After it well, not quite a

756
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: team order Orlando Norris order, I suppose redressing the team

757
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 1: order from Brazil. But in the race Lando Norris, okay,

758
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: he was challenging Max with staffand but didn't really seem

759
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: like he had the edge to do the deal. And then,

760
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: of course the ten second stop go penalty, probably the

761
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: main talking point from the race itself for ignoring double

762
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: waved yellow flags when Oscar Piastri finished third on the podium,

763
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: but Norris could only score two points for tenth with

764
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: the fastest lap, which means twenty one points heading into

765
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: Abu Dhabi. And I've been of the opinion that the

766
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: season decided. It's the final race of the season. Yes,

767
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: McClaren is still favorite. It's got it to lose, essentially

768
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: having led the Constructors Championship now for a couple of months.

769
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: But anything can happen in a one race essentially winner

770
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: takes all scenario. I think this track will suit Ferrari

771
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: a little bit, but certainly suited better than Kata. I

772
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: actually think Ferrari might be the team marginally ahead this

773
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: weekend as well looking at the track layout. Not enough

774
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: to make it the clear favorite, but should certainly feel

775
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: more confident. What was the vibe like between those two

776
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: teams over the course of the weekend, considering neither got

777
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: the result they thought they were in for and the

778
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: feeling ahead of Abu Dhabi.

779
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: I think McLaren's pretty happy to be going in with

780
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: a championship lead. It's a little bit disappointed, obviously not

781
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: to have a bigger lead. It could and should have

782
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: had a bigger lead, and Land obviously made a mistake

783
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: and that proved costly in the Constructors Championship. Before I

784
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: go on that thought, though, I just want to comment

785
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: on Lando and the sprint because I think he deserves

786
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: massive respect and plawed its for his actions. Yes, it

787
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: was only a sprint winter he gave back to Oscar,

788
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: but it's more than that. It's not just that one

789
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: point and paying back South Paolo. What it does is

790
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: leads McLaren by example shows that it's a cohesive, strong

791
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: unit that has immense cultural values that run from the

792
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: top down. The message that sends to the rank and

793
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: file heading into twenty twenty five, regardless of what happens

794
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 2: this weekend, the message that sends is absolutely phenomenal. So

795
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: Lando deserves a lot of credit for that, and I

796
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: guess ultimately, you know, Zach Brown and Andrew Stella deserve

797
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: a lot of credit for instilling that in Inlando and

798
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: Oscar over the course of the year. But that, to

799
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: me showed a lot of what McLaren is about. And

800
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: then the reaction on Sunday night, Andrew Stella, I've that

801
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: has the most expressive eyebrows in Formula one and they

802
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 2: were very angry post race with the penalty. Seller felt

803
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: the ten second stop go was harsh. The faas argued that,

804
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: you know it's a double wave yellow flags. He didn't

805
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: slow down under double wave yellow flags, which is people

806
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 2: on track prepared to stop it. These days, there's never

807
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: anyone on track without a safety car out. But that's

808
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: what a double wave yellow means Lando didn't do that,

809
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: and he deserved. Quite frankly, I think he deserves to

810
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: have the book thrown at him for that. He deserves

811
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: the ten second stop go penalty because you cannot compromise

812
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: on safety. If you start allowing Formula one drivers to

813
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 2: do it's Formula two drivers will start to do it.

814
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: That teachers Formula three drivers and Formula four and it

815
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: knocks on down the chain. You have to lead by example.

816
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: These are the world's best drivers. They cannot be let

817
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: off the hook on that basic stuff. So when it

818
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: comes to safety, no inch given. I don't care that

819
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: Andre Stelle had angry eyebrows. It doesn't matter. It broke

820
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: a fundamental rule and he copped the penalty for it, and

821
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: that's that's fine. I don't have an issue with that. Ferrari,

822
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: obviously were the happy recipients of the benefit from that.

823
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: The safety car also fell in in Charla Clair's favor,

824
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: giving him track position over Oscar Piastre. That was the

825
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: second safety car. From the top of my head, there

826
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: were three of them over the race that Ferrari was

827
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: a little bit down on pace, So it can be

828
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: pretty happy to have actually clawed back some ground, but

829
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: McLaren wasn't too upset, you know. Ultimately McLaren's of the

830
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 2: opinion from speaking to to Zack Brown a couple of

831
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: other Cats over the weekend. Remember where they were at

832
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 2: the start of the year. They were nowhere, and here

833
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: they are on the verge of the Constructors Championship, the

834
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: first one. All have won that championship in nearly nearly

835
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: three was it nineteen ninety eight six? Yeah, there you go.

836
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: I was gonna say nearly thirty years. I'm close enough.

837
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: So that's an extraordinary turn of events. That's an extraordinary

838
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: season that they've had. When you put it in that context,

839
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: they've already won they all they missing as are trophy.

840
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: If they get that in Abu Dhaby, I think that's

841
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: the final cherry on top of the cake. Even if

842
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: they don't get it, I don't think it diminishes the

843
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: achievement of twenty twenty four for McLaren because it has

844
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: been an extraordinary season where they've made two drivers race

845
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: winners for the first time.

846
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some quick mats for you heading into Abu Dhabi.

847
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: The result needed for Ferrari and there are obviously other permutations

848
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: possible after this, but the result needed for Ferrari is

849
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: a one to two with McLaren off the podium, and

850
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: that would be enough to if it's if it's four

851
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: or five for McLaren, FRAI would win on countback, which

852
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: have a number of wins, and then off the podium.

853
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: It would be more straightforward, so fastest point lap could

854
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: swing it. We don't know it's close enough that it's

855
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: within the realm of stability, but we do expect McClaren

856
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: to be at least reasonably strong this weekend, so Ferrari

857
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: really will need everything to go in its favor. And

858
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: to wrap up mas MAT's chat, you're right. If Max

859
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: with Staffan does get the perfect results this weekend and

860
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: Sergio Perez does not score, he'll be as good as

861
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: triple Perez's points, I think within one point or half

862
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: a point or something like that. So remarkable statistics all

863
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: round on the grid ahead of Abu Dhabi. But Matt,

864
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: we're running out of time. Let's get to the Alternative Championship.

865
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: Per ultimate round of the Alternative Championship. Goodn's come fast,

866
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: hasn't it.

867
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: We can always invent some more. I mean ultimately, let's

868
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: just make this up as we go along. Anyways, the

869
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: alternative championship where we make all the points up and

870
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter, and this is the one everyone

871
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: wants to win, even though they don't even know it exists.

872
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: So my three votes. Sergio has not had a good year,

873
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: has he?

874
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: Understatement?

875
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: I feel like piling on. I'm gonna make it a

876
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: little bit worse for not being aware enough to realize

877
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: the writing that's on the wall, because he seems completely

878
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: oblivious to the fact that he doesn't have a future

879
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: at Red Bull that or completely unwilling to publicly accept it.

880
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to take twenty twenty.

881
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: Five points away from Joe per one point for every

882
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: year as of next year. So yeah, he gets my

883
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: he gets my first at one point for every year

884
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: next year.

885
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: Not just every year he's been with the team, but

886
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: for every year.

887
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, every year, every year since we've rolled over from

888
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: years zero. I mean, if we went every year, I

889
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: have to take what's an eight point something billion year?

890
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: How many? How many years old I need to go

891
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: to that song from The Big Bang Theory? Yeah, how

892
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: many I need to take off him?

893
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it a lot.

894
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 2: We'll go with twenty twenty five for now.

895
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: Keep it simple. I'm also going to start by taking

896
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: points off thirteen points off George Russell. That's a difference

897
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: between first and fourth. I'm pretty sure anyway, for angering

898
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: Max for staffands so much that he never had any

899
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: chance of converting the pole he won in the steward's

900
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: room to victory, because when you get Max into a

901
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: certain corner, he's just not ever go. He's either going

902
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: to take you out or he's going to win the race.

903
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: And I thought this was really interesting. That's something we

904
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: didn't have time to talk about. But Max's commentary after

905
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: winning the race, so not immediately after losing pole position,

906
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: but having had twenty four hours of they're about to

907
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: digest everything. Spoke about the duplicitus of George Russell and

908
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: having absolutely always his words, I have no respect for

909
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: him at all. I thought that was very interesting considering

910
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: Russell's position as the leader of the GPD, and as

911
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: much as Max has a bit of a fiery reputation,

912
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: I can't think of a driver he's spoken about in

913
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: similar terms to George.

914
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: And one thing that you know when Max speaks is

915
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: he tells the truth. You know, you might not like

916
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: what you hear, or he might not be willing to

917
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 2: give view exactly everything that you want. But when he speaks,

918
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: you can believe what he's saying is honest. So if

919
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: he's saying those things, that is his honest opinion. From

920
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: what I've heard the drivers meet or that the meeting

921
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: with the Stewards was to quote someone that gave me

922
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: a bit of an inside line, it was it was

923
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: spicy George really pushing for a penalty. Max obviously well

924
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 2: just displeased with I love that when you get Max

925
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: riled up, he lets out a bit of the mongrel

926
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: and he just I mean, I don't know what is

927
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: more rabid than a honey badger, but I imagine maybe

928
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: there's a new species out there. Maybe there isn't. Maybe

929
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: it is the stappin the wild. Forstapin once wild cannot

930
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: be satiated.

931
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: It'll be the species that n humanity, presumably. So that's

932
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: where I'm taking off my first points.

933
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: I'm actually going to go positive for the next one.

934
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: I know something unusual for this I'm going to give Jack.

935
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to give Jack doing seven points are very

936
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: good and The reason I'm giving him seven point is

937
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: because he's going to start his career with not the

938
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: number seven.

939
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't even think about this actually, yeah, so

940
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: what number? Do you know? What number's starting with?

941
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll start with his reserve number, which is

942
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: sixty one or sixty three. Okay, sixty one sixty three

943
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: is George, isn't it. So I will start with sixty one,

944
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: and then next year he'll pick up the number that

945
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: he chose that Kimmy didn't and carry number seven from

946
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: that point on. So yeah, I'm giving you Jack seven

947
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: points for making his Formula one day, being the sixteenth

948
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 2: Australian to do it, the eighteenth through account of the

949
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: guys that didn't qualify. But yeah, I think it's just

950
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: it's just a good news story. More Aussie's in Formula

951
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: one is a good thing for everything other than my sleep.

952
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: I guess you're sleep as well, because it just adds

953
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: to our workload. So please, Christian Mansel, James Wharton, kids

954
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: on the way up, just give us a couple of

955
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: years then by all minions come on in. But please

956
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: just bear with us. Were a little bit full at

957
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: the moment.

958
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: What if we just had a critical mass whereby we

959
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: had to change the time zones for races. There could

960
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: be an alternative way.

961
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: To move forward.

962
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 1: All of us here should No, that's just a given

963
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: at this point. I'm gonna can maintain negative. It will

964
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: end on a positive though, don't stress. Twenty million points

965
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: off Williams for overplaying a hand with Franco Colopinto. Now.

966
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Franco Colopindo. I think he

967
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: does deserve a spot on the F one grid. But

968
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: of course, once it became clear other teams were interested him,

969
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: he interested in him. The team set a reportedly a

970
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: sky high fee for him to be released from his

971
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: contract twenty million bucks. May as well profit while stocks

972
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: were high. Well, that twenty million dollars seems rather inflated

973
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: at this point, and it now seems, perhaps as a

974
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: result of that high asking price, that he won't be

975
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: on the grid after all next year. Who knows what

976
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: it might have been had it been more reasonable, perhaps

977
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: he would have already signed somewhere, maybe help mIRC I

978
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: would have already signed him to RB. But it isn't

979
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: to be. So it's twenty million points off Williams this

980
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: week for me a big yeah.

981
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: I mean to come back from there. That's that's a

982
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: big final race of the year.

983
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: I've had quite a few points off I think, haven't.

984
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: They It's it's not gone well. But I mean, who knows.

985
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: I mean, these points don't matter, so maybe next week

986
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: we'll give them all back.

987
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: You don't know, you don't know.

988
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: It couldn't remains to me saying that is the wonderful

989
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: thing of the Alternative Championship. If you are willing to

990
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: bribe us, we are willing to change our school. It's

991
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: very cheap, and that's that seems a bargain to me.

992
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even split it with you, Mike.

993
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: We're going to take me in each That seems fair.

994
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: Let's tell you what if someone's willing to bribe us

995
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 2: twenty million will make Williams win the championship. You keep nine,

996
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: I'll keep nine, will donate two to charity.

997
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: There you go. Look that's the everyone's a winner.

998
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: I think everybody wins if we do that, especially William.

999
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: I think you, the listener, would be selfish not to donate.

1000
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: It's all on you. I don't know how many twenty

1001
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: million dollar how many listeners have a spare twenty meal

1002
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: kicking around the back of the couch, but I did

1003
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 2: and it was all monopoly money, right. My last points,

1004
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: very self indulgent, extremely self indulgent. On Saturday, the sprint

1005
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: grid was absolutely pumping and I had to stop myself

1006
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: because I realized there were there were cameras around. Because

1007
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: the DJ and the grid started cranking out a bit

1008
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: of remixed smells like teen Spirit, and it just got

1009
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 2: me going. From there on, everything was was just gravy.

1010
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 2: The rest of the day was good. It just got

1011
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: me in the mood. So I'm giving nineteen one, nine

1012
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: hundred ninety one points to the DJ because that was

1013
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: a year it smells like teen Spirit was released, and

1014
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: it just it just set the tone for the day.

1015
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: It was. It was a banger from start to finish.

1016
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: I like very self ind and I don't care.

1017
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, another point for every year.

1018
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: I'm consistent.

1019
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. You should become a steward. You can

1020
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: only bring the consistency. I'm going to end on a positive,

1021
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: but it's a small positive maybe, but I'm going to

1022
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: stick with it. One point to Yuki Sonoda. Now, the

1023
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: reason I'm giving him one point is that we've talked

1024
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: a little bit about already this podcast, the importance of

1025
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: not ignoring double wave yellow flags because you don't know

1026
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: what they're for. At the end of the day, drivers

1027
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: can only in retrospect say, oh, well, it wasn't that

1028
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: important or whatever. But he I think was the most

1029
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: cautioned driver on the track because he didn't think there

1030
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: was a mirror. He misheard and thought there was a

1031
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: beaver on the circuit, which is one of the most

1032
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: comical miss years in recent formula Warden. So he was

1033
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: surely the most cautious driver heading into turn one looking

1034
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: for this small anially, and he said afterwards he thought

1035
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: it was unusual that there would be a beaver on

1036
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: the circuit in the desert, but he was willing to

1037
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: believe anything. I think he said, well, you know climate change,

1038
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: anything is possible, so he must have just been really

1039
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: keeping an eye out going into turn one, and I

1040
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: like that he was very responsible, even if it wasn't

1041
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: correct at the end of the day. I'm not sure

1042
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: how many laps he believed that either, if it was

1043
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: for the full five or six laps before the safety car.

1044
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: I hate to think of what he thought as the

1045
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: reason for all of the punctures if he still thought

1046
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: the beaver was out there. But one point to Yuki Sonoda.

1047
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all manner of jokes involved in that. And

1048
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: I still don't know the difference between a beaver and

1049
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: a moment. That's the bigger question here. I don't know

1050
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 2: the difference. And from the pitwall, do they know the difference?

1051
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: Can they accurately tell Yuki if it's a beaver or

1052
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: a morment?

1053
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's probably what he was.

1054
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it was very astute in

1055
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: adopting a cautious approach to avoid any stray beavers that

1056
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: were just you know, industriously building dams on the apex.

1057
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: Well, that would satisfy the criteria of the track being

1058
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: partially or completely blocked for double wave yellows. So maybe

1059
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: it does make sense weird way, So good old Yuki Sonoda.

1060
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: Good on him slowing down appropriately. And on that note,

1061
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: that's all the time we have for Pittalk today. We'll

1062
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: be back next week to wrap up all the action

1063
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,920
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1064
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1065
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1066
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,600
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1067
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1068
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1069
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,160
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1070
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:25,600
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