WEBVTT - #2145 Mark From Brisbane Asks... - Dr. Jeff Gross 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:02.840 I get a team. It's Tiff and it's Harps and 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:04.560 it's doctor Jeff. I probably should have. 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:06.560 Done that the other way around. It really doesn't matter. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.440 We'll start with the girl with a sexy throat over 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:14.200 there in the bloody bayside Melbourne. 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:17.000 How is it sexy voice? 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.599 I'm making some noise now, which is nice. So I 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:22.880 had two days of full silence, and. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:27.440 As I said to doctor Jeff Bliss, so good, so 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:32.599 good fortnight there. Yeah, it's a little hard when your 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:33.520 job's talking. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:34.080 And you can't talk. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:35.840 Oh horrific. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.720 Did you have to cancel shows or yeah? 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.159 I had to reschedule a couple and couldn't shout at 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:42.840 my clients. 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:44.920 Yeah. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.040 Well, it's hard to be a ball breaker when you 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.920 sound like a fucking cartoon character, isn't it exactly? 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:52.479 Yeah? 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.840 Yeah, you can't scream at people if you can't talk 0:00:54.880 --> 0:01:00.440 to them. Step one, be able to talk. Ah, Doc, 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.360 great to see you, We love you, appreciate you. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:05.920 Hey you going? What are you doing? What are you 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:06.959 up to? What's news? 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.959 Right back at you? What am I up to? We're busy. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.080 Were doing a lot of health and wellness events and 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:18.200 biohacking conferences and all kinds of fun stuff. It's hard. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.600 It's hard to keep me in one place here as 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.479 we as we share and teach and get the word 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.319 out that there are alternatives to drugs and surgery. 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:36.520 What is the thing that people misunderstand or get misled 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:38.199 on about. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:40.600 Biohacking? 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.319 Like? What what is the average In Australia we say 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.120 the average punter, just the average person. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:48.320 What do I think it is? 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.960 I think there are some people who think that biohacking 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:57.440 has a negative connotation because you're tricking your body. It's 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:02.280 a hack. It's a trick. Whereas if we call it biostrategizing, 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.400 it's just weak, too many syllables. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:10.560 Yeah, that's true, though it is it is a lot. Yeah, 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:16.160 maybe that whoever created that, albeit insightful, maybe it wasn't 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.640 the best name to represent what you do because it 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.800 already people have an idea of what hacking is, and 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.600 it's not a good idea generally. 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:30.519 Right, gets people in trouble, you know if they hack 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:35.320 into your computer system or whatever. But sometimes hacks so 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.320 I mean, you know, do it yourself hacks at home? Right, 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.160 you want to learn the best way to get rust 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.799 off your fender, you know, you may, yeah, you learn 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.280 a hack. So why can't we apply that for wellness 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:49.680 and longevity? 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.359 Now, I brought up this term the other day with 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:58.200 somebody who is a clinical cycle works in the space, 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.960 and it must just be what I'm exposed to on 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:05.040 my my kind of stream of information that comes into 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:05.560 my phone. 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.839 But have you heard of a thing called iber gain? 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:13.040 Oh? Yes, absolutely, in fact, thank you God, it was 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:17.680 just made available here in the US, I think yesterday, 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.200 Like this is very tamely. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.960 Yeah, So I think all that guy's named Brian, someone 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.160 who's been the guy leading the charge, who's a lawyer 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.520 and a genius in this space. And RFK of course 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:36.480 and a very popular and unpopular in some areas. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.240 Joe Rogan and they were they were in the. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:43.320 Oval office with the pres just and he was committing 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:48.440 to kind of, I think, accelerate the research. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.840 And the approval and all of that of that. 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.760 So could So my understanding is, and this wasn't where 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:55.520 I thought. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.680 We'd start, but let's start here because. 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.920 I think if this is true, you know, because everybody 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.720 comes out and makes there's so many claims about so 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:10.240 many secret pills, powders, potion, herbs from the amazon and peptides, 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.240 and I'm not putting them all in the same category, 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.360 of course, but there are so many things that we 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.400 get told we should have or will cure this or 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:22.520 fix that. But the science behind this seems like really 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:30.040 really solid. And so people suffering with PTSD severe trauma, 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:34.160 and originally the research was focused on veterans and it's 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.680 kind of expanded now, but anyone with that kind of 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:38.640 challenge or issue. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.440 But so people with. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:46.280 Severe trauma and PTSD one treatment with eber gain eighty 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:51.600 percent are completely healed forever. And with a second treatment 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.840 over ninety I think it's ninety four percent, and it's 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.640 not And there's one treatment, so they have it once 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.200 or twice, but not an ongoing thing they have they 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.000 don't need to go top it up in a year. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:10.400 There's another guy to follow, a veteran who God it 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.640 will come to me, but anyway, he he's a Purple 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:19.920 Star recipient. Anyway, you know, he was traumatized. He was 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.479 the whole shooting match about our post war. About ten 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.120 years of his life was pretty fucked because of trauma 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:31.680 and PTSD. He got treated, he got totally totally cured, 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.960 and now he re enrolled he re enrolled, so he 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.080 was a I think he was like a Delta Force 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:43.560 operator and now he's re enrolled in some other area 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.000 of the military. But yeah, it's I don't know, tell 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.680 us to what you know what it is and how 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.160 it works. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.919 Right, So, iber gin is part of a class of 0:05:55.760 --> 0:06:07.599 natural based neuromodulator neuro endocrine neurotransmitter changers that are typically 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:12.520 known as hallucinogens. So it could be Ayahuascu. Eyebogain is one. 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.120 There are a few others, and they all have a 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:19.680 slightly different impact. You know, some of the places where 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.040 you go and lick the certain kind of toad and 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:27.800 get the hallucinogen. In any event, these these have been 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:32.000 known for thousands of years to have healing properties. You 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:38.880 typically most people with some type of harbored trauma manifest 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:43.280 with some type of anxiety or depression. It's because there's 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:47.440 this deep rooted part of your memory in your brain 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.360 that protects that because it's too painful to let it out. 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:58.800 And the process, the ceremony of eyebogain and how it's 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:04.520 done allows you to go through and and cleanse that 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.720 out of you. It's like a safe place to let 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.160 it out and once it's out, it's out. Like you said, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.920 of those people are resolved. So you know, typically Americans 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.240 had to go to out of the country, you know, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.520 go to Mexico for Abo Gain or or other places. 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:26.080 Even though there were some quote unquote shamans, some shamans 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.440 know what they're doing. Some got a weekend certificate somewhere. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:36.600 And this allows you to, you know, face your demons 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.400 and remove them. And that really has been very powerful. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.120 And there have been some people that were outspoken on this. 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.520 I think Tim Ferriss is one of them. And you know, 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.800 I didn't know how much Joe Rogan was involved until 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.280 recently because he's kind of the he's kind of the 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:58.040 Craig Harper of the of the of the States really. 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.600 But yeah, he can only aspire. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:06.320 Yeah, and this just came out, so it's very interesting 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:10.840 and exciting. It will become available and they'll study it more. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.680 Even though there's a university here called Johns Hopkins in 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:19.480 Baltimore and Maryland has a rich medical history. Just Baltimore's 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.800 a rough place to watch out and they they've been 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:25.400 looking at this for a while. It's been one of 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.920 the homes of a lot of research so this isn't new, 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.960 but I'm glad they're making it available because it's a 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:37.280 lot cheaper than handfuls of antidepressants and electroshock therapy much. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:38.240 You like that kind of thing. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:43.199 Yeah, yeah, well it's interesting and it's interesting to. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:49.599 Know that, you know, some of the things which I 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.920 think Rogan said in that he spoke at the White 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.920 House and all of them did, but like only a 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:02.160 few years ago, it was classified literally as dangerous you know, 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.880 I begain and misclassified. 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.560 Yeah, and it was this is just government control, right. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.120 They didn't want it out there. Big farm doesn't want it. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.880 Out Yeah, that's yeah. Anyway. 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.520 And in other news, so I listened to this podcast 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.360 the other day, which I've banged on about a little 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.480 bit on the show, but I'm I'm really interested in 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.160 and we'll go to some listener questions in a minute, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:35.280 but I'm really interested in on the science and the 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.280 psychology of pain. Like I just think pain is a 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:43.640 fascinating thing. And listening to this what's her name, Her 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.080 name is Rachel's Zoftness. It's a weird name, but a 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:52.880 cute name, z Ffness. And she was talking about, you 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:58.559 know the way that pain works on psychosocial, emotional, mental, 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.240 physiological level and all of that, and she was it's 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.320 just there's so much we seem to not understand about pain. 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:10.320 And she spoke about some research I can't equal. I 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.720 can't remember that an equals I think it was maybe 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:13.880 N equals. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:14.600 One hundred or two hundred. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:20.880 But people that were functional, healthy, no symptoms, and they 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.199 are all, I don't know, kind of thirty to sixty 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:28.640 or something, and they did X rays and all kinds 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.080 of scans on them, and something like ninety percent of 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.800 them or eighty five percent of them had bulging disks 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.720 or back problems or all of these things that should 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:44.200 lead to as we normally think pain, but they are 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:47.680 all pain free. But because they didn't know they had 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.800 these things. And then quite often when people are made 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.760 aware of something, then the pain comes, you know, because 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.800 now they know they have this thing that should cause pain, 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.360 but before they knew that, there was no part. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.560 So stuff like that fascinates me. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.360 And people who think they've got something and they're sick, 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.319 but then they realized they don't have it. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:09.360 I won't bore my. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.080 Audience with this again, but just quickly, this guy that 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:17.280 seemingly had put this huge nail on a construction site 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:21.400 through his foot and boot was in agony, and they 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.640 treated with him all kind of treated him with all 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.920 kinds of painkillers, got him to hospital, and when they 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.080 finally cut the boot off, it hadn't gone through his 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.560 foot at all. It had gone between his big toe 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.160 and his second toe, so the skin wasn't even broken. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.600 But this guy was in extreme agony, and even when 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.360 they gave him the painkillers it didn't And then you think, 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.000 how the fuck does this work? And then instant relief 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.760 because they went, mate, You've got not only did it 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.439 not go through your foot, you don't have any injury 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:58.840 at all. And he's like okay and good, Like how crazy? 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.520 What are your thoughts on the science of pain or 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.760 what do you as a physician and an observer of 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:05.600 human behavior? 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:06.760 What do you know about it? 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.400 Yeah? I mean there's there's a lot. It's complex or 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.400 so many pieces good to psychological piece you just mentioned, 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:17.720 and you know things things you're imprinted with as a child. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.800 Maybe you watch others respond to pain, and then maybe 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:26.280 that guy with the boot, he thought I was yeah, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.560 I probably penetrated my foot. I should have pain, So 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:34.600 I'm going to react like like society expects until he's 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.640 is cognitively corrected, you know. But we see real pain too, 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:42.120 and pains in different forms, and you know, central pain 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:47.480 and neurological pain and all kinds of things. So you know, 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.559 we're learning more about pain all the time and how 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.520 to address it. But there's a lot of physical pain 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.040 that's you know, a lot of my job deals with 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:58.360 physical pain and how to treat that. And you know, 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.800 we always try to get to the root cause of it. Right, 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.800 if there's if the tiger has a thorn in his paw, 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:07.800 you got to pull out the thorn, yes, if, But 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.600 apparently if a tiger thinks you there's a thorn between 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.400 his paws, his tees me, it's not. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.720 I think it's all about belief because belief to an 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:22.400 extent drives physiology, or at least has a physiological consequence. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.760 Like if you believe you know something bad's happening and 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:31.040 it's not, your physiology respondses though the bad things happening, right, 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.360 you know, Or conversely, something great's happening when you're actually 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.200 in danger. You're in danger, but you don't know, so 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.880 there's no fear, so there's no fear response in the 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.880 body because you just don't know, you know, so I 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.560 think our brain turns it all on or off to 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:47.640 an extent anyway. 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.840 Yeah, there's experiment with the guy where they have like 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.559 a baffle and a rubber arm and oh it's the 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.559 guy's like, ah, oh wait, that wasn't me. 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.240 No, yeah, where they've got that little board where he 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:07.800 can't really Yeah, so over time it feels like that's 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:08.679 actually your arm. 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.520 Yeah, that's yeah. 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.400 Hey, I was thinking about so with biohacking, we're trying 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.000 to understand our body, and we're trying to heal our body, 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.840 and we're trying to get there the quickest, healthiest, safest way. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:30.000 And I've been thinking lately about like trying to build 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:35.520 a relationship with our body, like interception or interroception, where 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.440 our body is always telling us stuff. They're always signs 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:42.960 and signals and information coming from our body. But at 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.400 the same time, I think either one with a lot 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.760 of us have really disconnected from that knowingly or not, 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:52.960 or we don't know how to interpret that or what 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:57.280 to do with that, and we'd almost rather trust, you know, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.200 the person that we met seven minutes go to give 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:05.400 us a pill to fix the thing versus listening to 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:06.320 our own body. 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.480 Not that we should necessarily prescribe stuff for ourselves. 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.240 But you know what I mean, it's like it feels 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.960 like something that's probably kept humans alife for a live 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:19.960 for millennia many millennia has kind of been cut off 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:25.120 because back in the day, we didn't have pills, powders, potions, surgeries, antibiotics, 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.840 not like we do now anyway, And so they just 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.200 understood what their body was telling them more. But now 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.640 that seems to be almost a thing of the past. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:43.720 We're way to reactive to that. So right, people have it. 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.600 You know something's wrong, they get immediate you know, help, 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.080 look at me, help me, something's wrong, right, and you 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.200 get pills thrown out you So yeah, I mean on 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:57.240 thousands of years ago, you'd get plants or leaves rubbed 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:03.280 on your wound or even you know, these African tribes 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:08.280 knew how to open the skull. You see. You know, 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.400 brain surgery isn't new. It's one of the oldest types 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.000 of surgery. So you know, people with certain ailments, they 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:20.800 would release the evil humors by opening the skull. It's 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:21.640 called trephonation. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.800 Wow, how long is gone with that. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:29.160 Oh, I mean this has been done for thousands of years. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.320 And they would chew on like coca leaves, you know, 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.680 for anesthesia, and they would take these stones and they 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:40.880 would you know, cut off square, you know, into the 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.160 into the skull and let it, let it ooze open, 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.640 let it let it heal open. You know. So wow, 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:52.040 that's not new. So I think we just are. We 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:57.000 have way many more options. So people always, oh, go 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.760 get look at this, fix this, give me something quick fix. 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.080 You know. That's that's the mentality, at least here in 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:03.640 the States. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:08.120 You know, I feel like we've had. 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.960 Digressing away from medicine a little bit, but I feel 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:16.440 like over the whatever, they keep moving the goalpost three 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.959 hundred thousand, I think they're out to about a million 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:26.640 years of like human kind of cognitive you know, smartish 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:32.600 humans doing stuff. And you think about all the former 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.600 or some of the past civilizations, like where they're building 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:40.600 pyramids with what were how we don't know, we couldn't 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.480 do that today. Like they're moving one hundred ton rocks 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.960 across sand and then getting an eighty ton rock on 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.359 top of that up to this thing that's three hundred 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.320 feet high and when you look at the corners of 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:57.399 the pyramid, they are absolutely millimeter perfectly aligned east west, 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:58.520 north south right. 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.680 What we can't do that today, That's impossible. 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.520 Today we don't have the technology or the whatever, right, 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.199 But they did that then. I feel like there have 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.240 been civilizations maybe that. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.800 Have come and gone, that had their own. 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:18.320 Own technology, their own genius, their own capacity to do 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:23.280 amazing shit. And maybe we're not the most evolved group 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:24.120 that's ever been. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.520 I think there's credibility for that. Now. There's a there's 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.760 a great TV show here in the States called Ancient Aliens. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:34.600 Do you get that one? 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.360 I think we do. I haven't. I think that's on. 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:40.800 I think that streams in one of our platforms. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:48.320 They cover these topics and the you know, the compelling 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.440 you know, petroglyphic evidence and things like the pyramids, how 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.919 perfect they are and things. And interesting here in the 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.280 States is that in the last couple of years, eleven 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:07.520 high ranking scientists have either been killed or missing who 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:13.200 deal with some of this potential knowledge UFOs and all 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.600 kinds of things. There's something that we're not supposed to 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.239 know that we want to know. 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:22.439 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so too. And I'm not 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.640 a conspiracy theorist, but there's definitely a lot of shit 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:32.879 that is known by some people that is controlled right 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.560 so that that can't get out because apparently it would 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.080 freak us all out if we all knew, or there'd 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:41.200 be some kind of negative impact. 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:47.520 Perhaps, yeah, that's not we have mass rioting if yeah, 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.120 if we knew what we're not supposed to know exactly, 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:54.000 that's social control. Governments need to maintain that social control. 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.000 But you're here to disrupt it, and that's what I 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:57.480 love about you, Craig and Tiff. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.600 I do think like the older I get, the more 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.480 I know that I don't know much right, and I'm 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.520 not being falsely humble. It's like, oh fuck, I thought this, 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.000 it's not that. And then I think, if I be 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.080 as objective as I can be, which is not very 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.640 because I'm me, But if I'm honest, I go, well, 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:25.000 I've been wrong about maybe as many things as I've 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.560 been right about, so assuming everything that I think now 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.880 is right is just an exercise in ego and arrogance. 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.560 So do I think things categorically are true? 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:35.920 Yes? 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:40.040 Do I believe things yes? Do I know that both 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.160 of those could be wrong? Absolutely, because I've been wrong 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.200 so many times. So I think when it comes. 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:49.280 To you know, if anybody had spoke to me. 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:51.679 About aliens and shit ten years ago, and I'm not 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.960 an alien kind of devo, I would have gone, nah, 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.360 not real, true, not true, bullshit. 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.040 And then the more that I hear stuff, go oh maybe. 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.680 And then you hear about the vastness of the universe 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:11.879 and you think about like, how fucking unimaginably huge the universes, 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.280 and we go, no, we are absolutely the only life 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:16.480 form in the universe. 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:17.840 No, it's just us. 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:22.920 Well, how the fuck would I even have the beginning 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.280 of understanding to know that that's true. Maybe that's just 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.639 a story that we tell ourselves because the other story 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.359 is a bit terrifying or uncomfortable. 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.520 And the truth is, we don't know that's the truth. 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.679 We can believe there isn't, but we don't have evidence 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.639 that there isn't. And you can also say, well, we 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.880 don't evidence have evidence that there is. That's also true, 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.480 but we don't have proof that there isn't. So, as 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:53.840 you know, it's that being open minded, especially when it 0:21:53.960 --> 0:22:00.000 means having to consider the thing that makes you comfortable 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:04.480 or is very familiar or is integrated into your identity. 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:09.280 When you think about that being wrong, well, of course, 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.800 emotionally you push back against that because I don't want 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:14.520 to be wrong, because that's going to fuck up my 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:18.800 last thirty years of reality, because I've believed this since 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:19.560 I was twenty. 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:22.560 And that's where the Eber game comes in. 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:28.240 Yes, yes, yes, yeah, Well we all grew up in 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:28.960 a model that. 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:34.640 Tells us that, you know, only doctors know well, doctors 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:39.400 are great, but maybe not only medical doctors have insight 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:43.399 into healing and health and recovery, and you know what 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.720 appears to be magic outside of the four walls of 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:53.600 the logic that is medicine. Anyway, Hi, doctor Jeff, I'm 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:55.920 marked from Yeah, I'm marked from Brisbane. 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:56.800 I'm forty eight. 0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:58.800 I've got a bulging disc in my lie back and 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:05.159 constant stiffness. Am I a candidate for regenerative treatments? I 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.680 like how he writes? Or is that just hype? 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:09.680 What Mark? 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:13.479 Why would the bloke anyway? Is he a candidate for 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.439 regenerative treatments? So I feel like we've probably gone here 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:18.439 a befure, but let's cover it quickly. 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:24.280 Well, you know, possibly we need to know more if 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:29.000 you if you look at final discs, they do degenerate 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.879 with time. They get shorter, they get you know, we 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:36.720 get shorter because of that. Do you ever notice how 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:41.160 after a night's rest of lying down taking gravity off, 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.439 and you get into the car in the morning, you 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:46.840 have to adjust the rear view mirror. 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.600 Yeah, yeah, because you're literally a bit taller. 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:55.200 Yeah, you're taller. You've rehydrated a bit so. So discs 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:59.760 tend to have some bulging over our lifetime. Bulging, it's 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:03.080 is a diffuse relaxing of the annulst, just like we 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.080 might get a little love handle around the middle, or 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:10.840 maybe some wrinkles on the face. Bulging does not necessarily hurt. 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:16.159 If you did MRIs of pain free people, twenty percent 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:20.960 the minority, but still some real number would have bulges. Now, 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:26.399 the pathological entity, the problem entity that does require attention often, 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:31.240 not always, but often is an actual herniated disc. It's 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.280 they are not the same herniations and bulges, and people, 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:40.560 even doctors misconstrued those all the time. So herniations where 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.359 some of the material the disc is actually out of place, 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:46.440 and it's usually a very limited area on the disc. 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.560 If you think of the discs as having an equator. 0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:56.239 Herniation is usually just one continent around the globe, so 0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:01.320 the herniations come in different forms. You might have heard 0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:05.399 words like protrusion or extrusion or free fragment. Those are 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.920 all herniations. So if you only truly have a bulge, 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:14.119 you probably don't need regenerative treatment. That's probably not the 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:18.760 cause of your back pain necessarily. If you have a 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:21.919 herniation that was misreference as a bulge because you were 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.880 given that word or it's a popular social term, which 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:28.000 it is here as well, then we would take a 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:31.159 closer look at the MRI details. We would correlate that 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.560 with your specific symptoms, not just your back pain, but 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:36.520 where's your back pain? What provokes the back pain? Does 0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:38.919 it go down your butt or your leg or tingle 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:40.520 in your foot? We need to know all this. You 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.399 need to be examined and that's that correlation. That's the 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:48.120 essence of the practice of medicine. Then and only then 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:52.800 might we say, oh, okay, I perceive that some of 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:57.280 these symptoms might be coming from this discarnation. We might 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:01.800 try a test injection we block or numb the pain 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:06.160 fibers along and the inflammatory chemicals along that nerve path 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:12.080 that is a selected epidural injection at the side of 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:13.960 that disc. It might only be on one side, might be. 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.480 And then if you have at least a temporary benefit, 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:19.919 because sometimes you can have a longer lasting but if 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:23.560 you have at least a temporary benefit that's meaningful, then 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.160 we say, ah, that is the disk. It is giving 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:29.399 us trouble here because we block that spot and you 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:32.119 felt better, then and only then we go with the options. 0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:35.560 The options could include surgery to clean up the disc 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.320 that's slipping out, It could include another and if the 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:41.200 injection lasts many, many, many months, you might well, let's 0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.040 do one of those a year or twice a year. 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.960 And then we might look at regenerative medicine, which would 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:52.120 be injecting in that same spot some of these highly 0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:56.919 anti inflammatory stem cell based cell signals. Now we have 0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:00.000 other techniques. Now we use peptides. I've talked about peptide 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:04.760 as many times. It's my favorite topic these days. And 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:07.000 then you know, we also take a look at you first. 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:12.000 Maybe maybe you got a few extra pounds, a little 0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:15.520 too much beer in the midline, mid section, and we 0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.280 need to work on, you know, just restoring your core 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:22.720 structures through the right type of therapies and exercise, and 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.280 that I should have I should have led with that. 0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:28.879 That's actually come first. No, so we have the whole picture. 0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:32.520 You can tiff over there blowing our eyes with a 0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:35.960 microphone off. Turn on your mic for a minute. Yes, 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:41.920 I feel I feel like I've caught something just watching you. 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:43.800 Are you going to make it through this the show? 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.720 I'm not sure, mate, I'm not sure. Every day there's 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:48.000 just there's a new symptom. 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.000 So are you still full of snot? 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:50.880 Oh? 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.480 Today more than ever? Wow? Wow, that's fantastic. 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:58.240 Shout out to those people eating a custard tide up moment. 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:02.600 You're welcome, Oh, TIFFs, stop it, hope you hope you're 0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:04.040 enjoying your corn flakes. 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:07.560 Perfect, all right, we'll go back to blowing your big 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.800 red nose. You look like fucking Rudolph. 0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:18.399 You need some reindeer behind you and a sleigh such palih. 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:20.280 Are are we precious? You'll be right, You'll be right, 0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.720 all right, turn your mic off. Blow your nose. 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:27.320 So, I don't know what this this seems like. I 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.679 don't know if this is much of a question. 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:30.359 Sorry, Pete. 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.160 Pete from Drew and Druan's a little country town where 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:37.160 my mum grew up. He says, Dr Jeff, I would 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.240 like your thoughts on the reality and the BS. He 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:43.440 wrote BS, he didn't write the actual word. Well done, Pete, 0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.240 your thoughts on the reality and the BS of anti aging. 0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:49.960 I know that's a very broad question, but I don't 0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:52.040 know if you'd like to speak. 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:53.240 To that at all. Yeah. 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:58.480 I like that, thanks, Pete. So you know your your 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:03.000 grandmother tie how to do anti aging at the very beginning, 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:08.400 eat right, sleep right, you know, brush your teeth, I mean, 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.720 you do. All those things have anti aging qualities and properties. 0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:17.120 The modern world really buggered that up. So there are 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.440 many things you can do to help slow and reverse 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:23.480 inflammatory stress at the cellular level. That's really aging, what 0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:27.080 aging is, and and you're doing those things, it is 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.240 anti aging. You can actually reverse the aging of your cells. 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:34.560 And you know, because you are an equals one, we 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.000 don't know if that makes you live longer or not. 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:39.760 But when you look at populations of people who who 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.800 behave a certain way, who walk ten thousand steps a day, 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.600 who you know, eat organically things like that, they tend 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.920 to be healthier and live longer. So we're learning more 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:56.160 about those behaviors and techniques all the time, and there 0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:00.280 are many approaches to that. That's a topic that's on 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.920 every day and I talk to patients about every day. 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.320 So it's not BSPE, but you've got to do the work. 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:12.360 Do you think that's part of the the barrier to 0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:18.040 real transformation, lasting transformation for people, is that like a 0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:22.080 lot of the stuff that works, the stuff that we 0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.920 should do if this is our goal, is not sexy 0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.760 or fast or comfortable, or you know. 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:31.920 It's like wow, well fucker really walked into that. Really 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:33.960 go the gym five days a week or whatever it is. 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.280 And you know, like a lot of the things that 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.520 we need to do are fun or comfortable or convenient, 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:43.800 and we are a culture addicted to fun and convenient 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:44.600 and comfortable. 0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:45.560 You know. 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.560 That seems to me like a mental barrier, not so 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:50.640 much a physical issue. 0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:56.520 Oh absolutely, It's an instant gratification culture and people don't 0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.680 want to get off the couch and you know, or 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.320 some people do exercise, but maybe they don't eat right there. 0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.600 You know, there are so many simple elements that you 0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:11.000 could apply to have a healthier longevity. 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.680 Yes, yeah, I don't want to mention any names, I'll 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:18.040 get myself in trouble. But there have been a few 0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:22.680 over the last decade people kind of commenting or sharing 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:24.960 publicly about. 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.360 You know, big is beautiful and all of that. 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.200 And I'm not saying it is and I'm not questioning, 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:33.680 but the messaging was being big is beautiful being you know, 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:35.760 we all just need to accept how we are, who 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:39.720 we are and all of that. And you know, and 0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:43.000 now some of these people who were very big and 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:50.520 overweighthed a borderline skinny on ozepic, so when the possibility 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:55.760 came to change their body drastically, they changed it. I'm like, 0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.120 there's a mixed messaging. I can take a post from 0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.000 you nine years ago where you go, you know, this 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.880 is how I want to be and how I'm comfortable 0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:07.320 in this and I'm lovable and this is me. And 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:11.520 it's like, now they weigh fucking forty eight kilos some 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.000 of them, and or one hundred pounds or whatever. 0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:17.280 You know. And I'm not saying right wrong, good bad. 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:20.520 I'm just saying I feel like sometimes we tell the 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:24.480 story we want to tell because that just suits us. 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:28.000 It may not be the unequivocal, absolute, deep down truth 0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:29.320 Oh yeah. 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:33.720 People feel bad about themselves when they don't fit in 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:37.920 a cultural norm sometimes, and yes, and they have to 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.120 give themselves a pat on the back say it's okay, 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:45.320 I'm still lovable. I get that. That doesn't mean obesity 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:46.200 is healthy. 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:51.080 Correct, Yeah, I've been telling them that, telling that to 0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:54.000 people for years. It's like, you can be an awesome 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:57.840 person worthy of all the love and respect. Of course, 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.640 like I don't like people more or less or love 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:03.840 them more or less based on their weight or their 0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:04.640 fucking appearance. 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:06.400 It doesn't like it's not an issue. 0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:08.920 But I'm not talking about whether or not you're a 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:13.680 great person or lovable or brilliant or creative or gifted. 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:18.560 I'm talking about the fact that there absolutely is a 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:22.400 relationship between the state that your body is in and 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:27.000 illness and morbidity and health span and lifespan. 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.440 These are not insults. This is science. There's not a 0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:36.120 criticism of you. This is a scientific reality that you're 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:37.840 pretending doesn't exist. 0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:43.920 That's right. I completely agree with you that on that topic. 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:47.200 And I'm not here to shame anyone. I mean, you know, 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.600 there's a lot of reason's why you might be that way, 0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:53.560 and you know, people have trouble with wheat and we 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:58.640 have more solutions now. Like you said, o zampek GP medications, 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:03.880 peptides back a peptid topic. So these are very powerful 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:07.720 and useful tools if done correctly, you still got to 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:09.279 do the work. You got to change your lifestyle because 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:14.600 once you stop that GLP, your appetite comes throwing back. 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:18.960 You may go back to the very pathways that got 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:19.960 you there in the first place. 0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.600 Speaking of this topic, it's probably relevant because I'm sure 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:28.520 some of our listeners are using ozenbic and the like, 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:33.200 which is, if you are well done all the support 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:37.960 all that, what are some things that other than taking that, 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:42.759 that people can do that are going to help the 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:48.080 long term success and support their body. Because it's not 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:53.000 all flowers and unicorns with these drugs. There are potential downsides. 0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:56.160 So what else should people who are using these things 0:34:56.480 --> 0:35:00.400 think about and perhaps even implement to look craft to 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:04.040 themselves beyond the however long it is that I use 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:04.520 the drug? 0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:09.279 Well, they need to be looking towards behavioral changes that 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.440 stay after you stop the drug. They need to focus 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:16.640 on muscle building, because you will lose some muscle during 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:20.200 the process, especially with the ozepic much more so than 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:23.960 let's say the Reddit truetide. But still you want to 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.600 focus on muscle, which means you have to be eating 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:32.359 protein and exercising hard, you know, work to failure intensity, 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:39.480 different different types of things. And then you know, also, 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.279 since you're not as hungry when you do eat, you 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:46.440 really need to have intention about eating healthy things, because 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.680 if you have a super healthy diet every now and 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:50.359 then you want to go off the rails and have, 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.480 you know, some really greasy pizza, you're going to be okay. 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:56.919 But if you're having pizza and fresh frise every day, 0:35:58.400 --> 0:35:59.240 that's an issue. 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:07.520 Definitely okay. Josh thirty four from the Gold Coast. I'm 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:11.279 jealous of you, Josh thirty four. I tol my maniscous, 0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:12.680 but I'm still functional. 0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:14.000 Should I leave it? Fix it? 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:14.120 So? 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:18.960 These are hard questions listeners, because doctor Jeff would normally 0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:23.799 at the very least see someone. So these are hard 0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:27.680 questions to answer. I guess, but to my miniscus still functional? 0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:32.080 Should I leave it, fix it surgically or explore other options? 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:33.640 Well? 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:36.600 I like the hard questions. I like this actually, So 0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:42.640 if you're still functional and that any related pain discomfort 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:48.440 whatever word you want to use, is tolerable and you're improving. Yeah, 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:52.160 and the tear is not a large tear. You don't 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:55.360 have to fix it. Yes, you don't have to surgery 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.120 for it. You know there's a knee jerk or a 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.480 lot of the orthopedic doctors will see this. Oh, we've 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:04.120 got to fix it, because that's that's your orthopedic surgeons. 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:06.840 You know, are these smart people who then become cavemen 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:09.239 and you know, you break a bone. Nay, all they 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:11.120 want to do is fix it. You know, bone broke, 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:14.479 You must fix bone. Same thing with her medical taire 0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.600 is right. Care must prepare tear, you know. No, it's 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:20.640 not always the case. So if you're doing okay and 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:24.560 it's not going the wrong direction, and now may not 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.120 be the time to fix it, and it might be 0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:29.840 the time to look at some peptides or regenerative medicine 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.960 to help improve the cartilage around there so you can 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:33.560 overcome it. 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:39.000 Roger that all right, Ryan twenty nine, Sydney. 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:45.040 I've got tend and artists that just won't go away. 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.040 What are your thoughts? He said, why do some injuries 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.319 become chronic? That's what he actually said, But I'm like, 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.200 well that if you want, and then how do we 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.520 maybe treat this long term tendin artists? 0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:04.399 Well, typically, Ryan, you know, things become chronic because your 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:09.080 repair factors your ability to repair. You've outpaced it and 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.360 you can't repair like you did when you were younger, 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:15.920 and that repair is usually meaning that the inflammations become 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:19.680 chronic and you have to do everything you can to 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:23.200 fight that. And that could be an anti inflammatory diet. 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.000 It could be you know, revisiting what exercises or rehabilitation 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:30.600 or therapies you've done to build up the muscles around 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:35.960 that tendon. Could be a really good flexibility routine, you know. 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.360 It might be you need some type of anti inflammatory 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.600 medication for a short while or an injection just to 0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.440 just to you know, break the cycle and then then 0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.040 really get in on working out. A lot of people 0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:52.480 are using something called shockwave therapy, now not electroshock therapy, 0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:58.719 but shockwave. So it's basically a very powerful thumping, like 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.480 like you would do to break up a kidney stone, 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.000 like a lith of trips. Yeah, yeah, And they make 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.440 devices or certain clinics you can go to and have 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.520 them break up sort of the tough tendon that that 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:15.399 continues that cycle of inflammation. So usually tendinitis is more 0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:18.440 pronounced far away from the center of the body. So 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:23.200 we're talking feet, you know, we're talking about plantar fasci itis, 0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:26.400 We're talking about achilles tendonitis, or maybe at the wrist 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:30.280 or hand elbow. Those are those are the most common areas. 0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:33.560 I'd say that that that lead to persistence that you 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:34.279 have to really fight. 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.920 This is from Craig Harper sixty two, The U Project 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:45.280 Craig riots good au old fuck how No he doesn't. 0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:47.040 I wanted to ask you. 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:50.879 About and for you to I don't even know what 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:52.759 your thoughts are on this. I have a bit of 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:56.160 an idea, but I personally know. 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.000 I don't know. I would have to guess a bit. 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.200 But at the least ten, at the most twenty women 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:07.239 who use testosterone, which when I say that to lots 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:10.000 of people, they go like, that's not even something they 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:14.200 ever heard of or thought about. And the immediate reaction is, oh, 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:18.239 my god, like why would you you know? It's like, ah, 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:23.480 why are women now using generally it's a cream, is. 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.440 My understanding, But you'll know better than me. 0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:29.440 Why are women now being prescribed testosterone, which all of 0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:32.480 most of us go, well, that's a man thing for sure. 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:37.440 Don't put that in there. What stood happening features, benefits 0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:38.239 and advantages. 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.399 Yeah, so we're all culturally attuned to estrogens for women 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:45.880 and testosterones for men, but really we are all. Both 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.279 sexes have some of all of that. They're in the 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:52.560 same sort of path came biochemical pathways. They can convert 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:56.080 to each other. To starsterone is meat into estrogen. So 0:40:56.600 --> 0:41:00.120 a woman cannot have estrogen unless she's making testosterone, and 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.200 a woman has a normal amount of testosterone. If they 0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:06.400 lose that, they lose drive, they lose energy, they lose motivation, 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:11.760 they lose libido, and they lose the ability to maintain 0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:16.240 muscle mass. So even when we do hormone replacement for women, 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:20.880 we look at the testosterone level, and if we've replaced 0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:26.120 estrogen and progesterone and the testosterone is still low, we 0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:29.200 might ask some certain questions about their energy and other 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:32.080 things and give them a little bit back. A typical 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:36.520 in milligrams per deestolator for women we shoot for about 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:39.399 fifty or so, maybe a little more, and men we're 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:41.520 looking at, you know, six to eight hundred, so we're 0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:43.759 looking at less than a tenth of the male dose. 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.960 So don't freak out everybody. You're not converting women into men. 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:48.520 You're making them better women. 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:51.279 You're not getting a jab in the bottom in the 0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:52.920 locker room of the gym. 0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.560 There are women who will do injections, just a lot 0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:58.920 smaller dose or a lot less frequently. 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:00.719 Yeah, are they? 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:04.040 That doesn't matter. That was going to be a very 0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:08.520 irrelevant question. Do you think that the acceptance and the understanding. 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:10.759 I know in Australia it's I think we're ten years 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:15.760 behind America in some of these things. In the States, 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:20.759 it seems to be this, you know, TRT seems to 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:24.920 be a lot more acceptable, definitely with men, and a 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.280 lot more common and less taboo. 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.439 Like I've heard lots of actors and. 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:35.960 Podcasters and you know, various people talk about it publicly, 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:39.120 So it seems not to be the dirty dark secret 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.400 that it once was when you and I and TIF. 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.279 I'm sure, like I could look at films because I 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:49.080 grew up in gyms with blokes taking steroids, like in 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.880 the eighties, it wasn't even a thing, and you might 0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:55.120 as well have been taken creatine like, I won't say 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:56.520 the name of the gym, but I worked in a 0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:59.960 gym where I would say it was a very room 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:04.799 mentory fund like basic gym, but it was just it 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:10.520 was like lots of tradesmen and cops and crooks and 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:15.880 hard heads and bouncers and like. It was definitely not 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.520 your five star facility, but it was awesome. 0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:19.719 It was an awesome. 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:23.600 Environment and culture, and everyone trained like animals, but half 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:25.640 of them were on steroids, and half of them would 0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:28.240 injected in their ass or their leg or their shoulder, 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.640 literally in the change. But we're talking about nineteen eighty 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.480 three and four. We're talking about four decades ago. But 0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:37.600 it wasn't seen. And by the way, everyone, I'm not 0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:41.160 suggesting that's a good practice. I'm just saying what was. 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.680 But it seems to be shifting back now where people 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.800 are thinking about it as a legitimate treatment. 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:56.400 Well, you know, testosterone has used to restore a missing amount, 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:58.120 and we have a lot of that here in America, 0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:01.480 where you know, were a lot of men becoming women, 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:04.000 and they think it has to do with the microplastics 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:07.839 that are interrupting hormones and things like that, But who 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:11.719 knows be that as it may, there's a need for 0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:15.600 tesoscer and replacement. We're seeing in thirty year olds forty 0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:20.239 year olds very low testoscer levels, so yes, necessity. Now, 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:24.160 anabolic steroids have a role too. If you have wasting 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:27.920 away disease cockexia. You know they used to give it 0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:34.359 to you know, people with advanced aids yea, so who 0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:37.319 are losing all their muscles. So there's a role for 0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:39.759 that now. Of course, there's a downside anabolic steroids. You know, 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:41.200 liver cancers and. 0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:43.560 You know you. 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.839 Shrivel up your testes and you know they don't work 0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:50.080 in that kind of thing, So there are downsides as well. 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:53.120 But you can win the bodybuilding championship. 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.480 But when you said men a becoming women, you went 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:02.920 talking about somebody transitioning. You were literally talking about their 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:04.160 physiology changing. 0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:10.120 Yeah, I am. I'm talking about a culture of emasculation, 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:16.720 chemical emasculation that's going on here in the States. 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:18.719 Yeah. 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:24.040 Yeah, that's so interesting. All right, let me just have 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.120 a scroll. I'm sorry, a lot of these are bit 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:33.400 Rachel forty three from Barron Bay also jealous Barren Bay's 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:37.760 absolutely beautiful doc. Are their lifestyle factors that make these 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:40.000 treatments more or less effective. 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.120 I guess we've kind of covered that in a way, but. 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.040 No, anything we do. We want to focus on anti 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.239 inflammatory lifestyle. You're gonna if you're going to pay, you know, 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:53.720 a few thousand dollars for a regeneritive medicine treatment. Yes, 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:56.440 you should be. We should get your diet dialed in. 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:58.399 We should get your sleep dialed in. We should get 0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:02.239 your exercise regimen dialed in, your supplements, your nutrition, your 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:06.240 mental space, everything should be. Yeah, you want to nest 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.799 properly for this treatment so it can do as much 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:11.080 as it can for yourselves. 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:16.680 Rob for medeali'd sixty one. Aus can you explain in 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:21.040 terms that I will understand? Good on you, Rob, stem 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:24.560 cell therapy. I don't in then he rits I don't get. 0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:29.560 It, Rob. Let's let's you're going to get it after this, okay. 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:34.399 So stem cell therapy is a way of taking our 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.880 older bodies that can't repair themselves like they used to. 0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:41.680 What do I mean by that? Well, when you were 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.840 three years old, you skin your knee on the sidewalk, 0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:48.520 and you know you would cry, Mother would clean it up, 0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.239 put a bandage on it, kiss you send you on 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:54.680 your way and three days later in the bathtub, the 0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:58.600 bandage comes off and your scabsam was completely healed. Now 0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.680 fast forward your fifty seven year years old you fall 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:03.880 down skin your knee and it takes two weeks for 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.680 that bad thing to heal. You're the same person with 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:11.680 the same genes. Why don't you heal like a youthful person. Well, 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.440 because if you accumulated a bunch of inflammatory damage over 0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:17.040 the years, you've got a bunch of junk, you know, 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.840 and your cells just can't do what they used to. 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:25.239 Stem Cell therapy slash regenitive medicine is tapping back into 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:30.040 that youthful healing and applying it to allow and trick 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:33.640 and hack and encourage your cells to behave in a 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:36.200 more youthful way to help you heal or repair something 0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:41.919 or slow aging. That's what it's all about. Yeah, yeah, Rob, 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:42.520 do you get it? 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:47.359 Robin? I think you got it? What's that? 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:53.279 What's that dude? Divid doctor Divid Sinclair, isn't it? 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:53.960 So? 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:59.880 You know that Divid Sinclair and that other less medical 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:03.520 but more experimental guy who are really going down the 0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:08.480 anti aging rabbit hole, Brian Brian Johnson. You know that 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:11.040 Doodo who spends like a million dollars a year up 0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:13.440 he's well in the biohacking space. 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:15.960 What are your thoughts on and this is not a 0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:19.000 loaded question, what are your thoughts on? 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:22.560 You know, their their research like a lot of Brian 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:26.719 Johnson has really self it's an equals one. He's the 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:30.080 he's the research and the researched and the researcher. 0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:32.920 What are your thoughts on the stuff that they're doing? 0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:36.759 Well, I think we need handle them separately. So David 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:40.240 Sinclair is you know, works for a sponsored Harvard lab 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:45.319 dealing with something called n MN, which is you know, 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:52.080 from mitochondrial pathways. It helps supply you know, a nicotinamide marcule. 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:55.799 There are many ways to get nicotinamide into your system. Yes, 0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.400 any D plus is what the goal is here in 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:02.920 any D plus does decline with age. It's hard to 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:04.759 measure if you need it or not because it's hard 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:11.040 to measure the intrast cellular amount. And you know, he 0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:16.160 he controversially, you know, was was working towards trying to 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:21.120 make it, you know, a patent or controlled substance for 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:23.200 big pharma to take over. And when he was asked 0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:25.719 about that a year and a half ago at the 0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:28.359 A four M meeting, which is a big anti AG 0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:32.280 meeting in Las Vegas. He said, well, my lab is sponsored. 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.120 I have to you know, I have to. They have 0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:38.600 to have a return on investment. So these are natural 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:43.520 natural supplements. You know this this should not be controlled 0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:47.319 or limited. But it sounds like the best way to 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:49.600 get N A D plus is to take a supplement 0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:54.919 called nucleotide riboside. And are you can buy that? You know, well, 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:56.640 I don't know. In Australia, you guys are limited. We 0:49:56.680 --> 0:50:00.880 can buy it on our Amazon here. So that's a 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:04.040 popular substance. I've tried different forms of N A D 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:07.360 plus I V and what have you. I didn't feel anything. 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:10.200 Some people do feel something, so maybe they're low. Maybe 0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:14.239 I wasn't. I don't know. You know, mitochondria are the 0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:17.680 goal here. Take care of your mitochondria and you're taking 0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:19.719 care of your cells. You got to have all the 0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:23.360 different B vitamins and if you if you're missing that 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:25.400 gene that methylates it, then you got to get it 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:28.839 methylated become in a methilated form. So there are many 0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:33.720 different aspects of mitochondrial health and NMN slash NR slash 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:36.760 NAD plus is only one of them. 0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:40.480 Wow, if I feel like you're looking this up because 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:42.680 you're going to get you and may achilo over h. 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:45.839 Yeah, we're always looking up. We're always looking up. 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:48.000 The good doctor always. 0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:51.560 Wanted this is good. This is fact checker Tiff is 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:52.200 right at it. 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:56.000 Can I ask your question? 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:56.440 Oh? 0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:59.520 Thank god on behalf of way too many of the 0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:04.360 fame menopausal women in my gym and clients of mine. 0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:07.359 Frozen shoulder, bro, what's going on? 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.440 Yeah? Frozen shoulder. And we should add this hip tendonitis. 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:13.840 A lot of a lot of women get hip pain. 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:18.799 And those tendons in the shoulder and in the tenons, ligaments, 0:51:18.880 --> 0:51:22.239 the cartilage tissues, they get drier, just like a lot 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:25.040 of body parts get drier and women their skin, their eyes, 0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:28.640 their privates get dry and things like that. So the 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:33.840 tenons dry out that they're not as flexible, and it's 0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:36.880 a it's a symptom going into menopause that can be 0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:41.640 avoided if you do everything you can to keep your 0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:46.000 cells kick cooking along in a youthful way. And that 0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:51.280 usually requires the bioidentical hormone replacement you know that really 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:56.240 help help that. And of course, nothing replaces good flexibility 0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:58.360 and strengthening and all that. 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:01.600 They have it. 0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:03.640 Is there anything like it seems to be something that 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:05.600 lasts for a couple of years even when you do 0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:08.760 the best things for it. Is there anything that moves 0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:10.680 that along quicker? Yeah? 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:14.520 I mean there are you know, regenerative medicine, either injections 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:19.360 or ivs, you know, you know, really really working on 0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:23.160 the flexibility some good year and yoga or stretching. You know, 0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:26.960 it's not going to happen overnight, and it's not going 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.319 to be a six week stretching protocol. It's going to 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:32.560 be a six month stretching protocol. So yeah, you can 0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:35.440 work on it for sure, thank you. 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:40.080 Sure, I've got two questions, two questions before we jam, doc, 0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:45.400 What is I mean obviously nowhere near your level and 0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:49.160 understanding supplements and all the things available to us and 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:52.640 peptides and drugs and all the things that have been 0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:53.840 used by various people. 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:57.600 But like I first became aware of supplements in I 0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:00.279 would say nineteen eighty two three when it comes in 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:04.680 Australia about that time called Masashi launched, which was they 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:07.719 were they did like all the aminos and a whole 0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:11.080 range of different stuff. There used to be this thing 0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:13.759 called frack. There was another thing called gamma oles, and 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:18.880 there was like desiccated liver was chewed by bodybuilders, like lollies, 0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:22.480 like all of these. And I remember taking el carnatine 0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:26.000 and l R janine and it was just this powder 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:29.359 that tastes it like, oh my god, it was like 0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:31.640 the worst tasting thing I've ever It was. 0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:34.480 Like dry dead fish. It's stunk. 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:38.640 But a whole bunch of things that I took, and 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.440 I mean all over the counter supplements, but I remember 0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:46.040 one day realizing that I was now taking about forty 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:49.960 forty five pills or tablets today and I literally went, 0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:53.560 I'm going to take zero for a week. It made 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:58.799 no difference. It made absolutely no difference. Now maybe that's 0:53:58.880 --> 0:53:59.880 just because I didn't. 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:01.520 But so my. 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:06.520 Question is, in the last few decades, the most overrated 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:12.560 but underperforming miracle drugs supplement that's come out and been 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:17.399 all whiz bang and then kind of fallen on its ass. 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:22.360 Oh interesting, something that's come out and fallen and then turned. 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:24.960 Out well, something that got a whole lot of press 0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:27.560 that really fizzled out and we went or a whole 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:31.200 lot of momentum, and it's like, yeah, no, it doesn't 0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:32.080 do it. 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:38.320 Well, we've seen, you know, our own FDA reverse reverse 0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:45.360 themselves on many things. Let me think of a drug. Well, 0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:48.319 for a while, we were using these anti inflammatories back 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:53.279 in the nineties and early two thousands called extra or bios. 0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:59.160 These were cocks two blockers, and they were very very 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:03.759 effective using inflammatory pain for joint and spine issues, but 0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:08.480 we were causing all kinds of cardiovascular problems and heart attacks. 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:12.760 I remembers vioux was killing people, wasn't it. 0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:16.080 It was also making them feel better until it killed them, 0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:17.040 so you felt. 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:22.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, died with a smile on your face, but. 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:25.360 Yeah, yeah, they got pulled off the market. That's probably 0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:27.560 the biggest thing I can think of in my career. 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:32.280 Up until his heart exploded, he was so happy. 0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:35.120 Yeah yeah. 0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:42.040 Last one the opposite of that, the most valuable but 0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:50.520 perhaps underestimated supplement drug hormone, peptide whatever, but something that's 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:57.520 really quite valuable for most people, but really underdiscussed, unknown 0:55:57.800 --> 0:55:59.200 and maybe underestimated. 0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:02.719 Ooh, I got two that popped into my head. I 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:04.480 don't know where to go with this. I'm gonna I'm 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:06.800 gonna give you multiple choice. I'm going to tell you both, 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:11.120 and you pick the one, okay, right, all right? Melatonin 0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:12.320 and probiotics. 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:15.960 Oh yeah, yeah. 0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:21.280 I think it's a person dependent Like I use probiotics 0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:23.239 and they really move the needle for me. 0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:25.040 Yeah, So for. 0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:27.560 Me it would be that, but for others it'll be melotonin. 0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:29.960 And give us the quick sale speech for each of those. 0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:33.560 Melatonin is not just to help you sleep. It is 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:36.840 a It is supports cellular repair at night. It's a 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:40.640 hormone that we just don't make well after puberty, so 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:44.120 it helps replace that hormone, just like you replace testosterone. 0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:47.600 And it really answers your quality of sleep, your depth 0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:51.040 of sleep, and that means your cells are repairing better 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:53.720 and you need that if you want to slow aging 0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:58.040 and heal other things. On the probiotics side, we have 0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:01.319 a very intimate relationship with the bacteria that live in 0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:04.480 us and honest and you have to have the right 0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:10.080 mix for optimal anti inflammatory, anti aging health. They support 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.440 the brain, they support other parts of the body. So 0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:14.839 I do recommend a high quality probiotic. 0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:18.440 I mean, if what's your favorite. 0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:21.720 I know you take a lot of drugs, but what's 0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:26.880 the supplement that I'm kidding, like, either now or over time, 0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:30.480 what's the supplement or the support for you that's been 0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:34.000 like the best bang for buck so to speak. 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:38.880 Creatine definitely, Yeah. 0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:42.880 Yeah, creatinees kind of or our awareness or understanding of 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:44.960 what it does, because it used to just be like 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:49.360 a get bigger muscles thing. Now we allegedly, doctor Jeff, 0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:50.880 it's a cognitive enhancer. 0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:51.840 Are you on that train? 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:56.480 I totally am. I'm a personal creatine user. We recommend 0:57:56.480 --> 0:57:59.960 it to a lot of people. It's you know, it's 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:02.360 it's hard to take a lot of creatine during the day. 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:03.360 You have to be strategic. 0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:06.240 Yeah, yeah, perfect, you're the best. 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:08.919 Tell people how to connect with you and your home 0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:09.880 address if you would. 0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:14.960 Yeah, So listen to the U project to hear me. 0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:17.160 That's where you find me. That's the only thing I do. 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:18.920 The rest of the month. I sit home and cry. 0:58:19.600 --> 0:58:24.360 But I you look us up. Our brand is re 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:28.560 Celebrate our e c E L L E B R 0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:33.080 A t E at re Clebrate reselebrate dot com. You 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:35.760 know what, if you put it on a social it 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:38.320 will pop up for the most part. So we made 0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:40.280 up the word in sort of corner the Internet on 0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:46.480 it and home address is right here in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA. 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:50.040 Hey, listeners, this what I'd like you to do, right 0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:51.720 rather than doing a Q and A one. 0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:53.240 Firstly, maybe go. 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:56.040 Have a look at the docs, the doc site, his background, 0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:58.880 his bio, the work he does, so you can get 0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:02.000 a like a a bigger understanding of what he does. 0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:07.440 And then based off that, go to my Facebook group 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:11.560 or the you Project Facebook group and tell us one 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:14.880 or two topics that you would like us to do 0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:15.960 a deep dive on. 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:17.320 We can still do. 0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:20.240 Some Q and A if you like, but if there's 0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:23.280 an area or areas that you would really like us 0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:26.280 to commit, you know, twenty or thirty minutes too, and 0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:29.200 then we can do maybe two of those in the show. 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:32.920 That'd be good because we also want to talk about 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:36.960 stuff that you want to hear. Otherwise it's just you know, 0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:40.480 me kind of stepping into the wilderness taking the best 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:42.880 guess at what might be valuable to you, the listener. 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:45.680 So we would love to be guided by you in 0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:46.200 this way. 0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:51.640 Thanks TIF, hope you get better, keep your snid to yourself. 0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:53.360 Thank you, sir. 0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:55.680 I hope you're breathing, are you breathing all over your boy. 0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:58.160 Did I tell you, Jeff that tif's got a new 0:59:58.200 --> 0:59:59.760 bloke Everyone in Australia knows. 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:03.040 Oh no, this is we've let it. Let us know 1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:05.480 in the States that you're off the market. There, let 1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:08.560 me let me cross her name off right now, Yeah, 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:10.200 there I go. 1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:15.440 All right, Uh, it's true. Appreciate you both. Thanks Stoff. 1:00:15.480 --> 1:00:16.320 We'll talk to you soon. 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:18.200 Thank you anytime. Be well.