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Speaker 3: When we moved to Lennox head I was even more lonely.

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Speaker 3: The house that was built became John's Castle in my prison.

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Speaker 2: Bromwin Winfield wrote these words shortly before she disappeared one

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Speaker 2: Sunday night in May nineteen ninety three. She had been

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Speaker 2: to see her GP a couple of days earlier and

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Speaker 2: was in good physical health. Apart from having strained her hand.

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Speaker 2: She was of sound mind and had no known mental illness.

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Speaker 2: A brief period of postnatal depression after the birth five

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Speaker 2: years earlier of her second daughter was well behind.

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Speaker 4: Bromwin Where do you want to go.

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Speaker 2: Today? Thirty one years since the sudden disappearance of a

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Speaker 2: mother of two little girls. I'm driving on a winding

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Speaker 2: road south of Byron Bay to the house that Bromwin

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Speaker 2: had called her prison. Past former dairy and sugar cane farms,

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Speaker 2: subdivided for residential housing estates and the Great Australian family Dream.

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Speaker 2: A three or four bedroom, two bathroom ricantile close to the.

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Speaker 4: Beach, getting directions to Sandstone Crescent, Lenox Head.

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Speaker 2: The Pacific Ocean is tantalizingly close. You can hear it,

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Speaker 2: smell it. Its saltiness lingers on an easterly zephyr of

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Speaker 2: a breeze. In luxury homes with views over smoothly curving coastline,

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Speaker 2: humpback whales on their annual migratory journey from Antarctica. They

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Speaker 2: perform in the warm waters of an aquatic backyard off

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Speaker 2: the most easterly part of Australia's mainland and the lighthouse

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Speaker 2: at Byron Bay. It's a quieter, gentler lifestyle in this

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Speaker 2: place everyone calls Lenox. It's less crowded here, more chilled

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Speaker 2: than the nearby more famous Byron Roman left in dollible

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Speaker 2: imprints on those who loved her, yet her thirty one

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Speaker 2: Her life, her suspicious disappearance, and her highly probable death

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Speaker 2: regional TV and The Northern Star. The newspaper ceased publication

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Speaker 2: in print in twenty twenty, but Bromin left behind her writings,

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Speaker 2: her reflections on her life, her marriage and loved ones,

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Speaker 2: of a four paper. They are poignant and compelling. All

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Speaker 2: these years later, I picture Bromwin writing in quiet moments

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Speaker 3: My idea of a lasting love is being able to

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Speaker 3: tell your partner anything and it doesn't make it difference

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Speaker 3: to your relationship. Trust, being kind to one another when

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Speaker 3: you're down, supportive, having time for each other always, as

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Speaker 2: Her family, friends, and neighbors tell me she was determined

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Speaker 2: Bromwin wanted to go her own way. She was pursuing

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Speaker 2: Bromwin had confided troubling things about her marriage. She was

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Speaker 2: All of these family members talked regularly to Bromwin. Kim

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Speaker 2: perhaps felt cathartic. Liberating the house in Lenox was a

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Speaker 3: I drifted away from John as he became more and

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Speaker 2: these could set him off. John was an introvert and

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Speaker 2: He was often unhappy when visitors dropped by. Sometimes he

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Speaker 2: On March twenty one, nineteen ninety three, Bromwin and John

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Speaker 3: Eventually, I switched off and became cold inside. He had

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Speaker 2: Bromwyn shared recollections and sorrows, hurts, and philosophical musings with

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Speaker 2: Bromwin's family and friends tell me she lived for her

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Speaker 2: two daughters, Crystal, aged ten, and Lauren five. She loved

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Speaker 2: to all who knew her. The three were inseparable, and

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Speaker 2: Romin was a caring, nurturing mother. Nobody has suggested otherwise.

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Speaker 3: My children have suffered from the environment that surrounded them.

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Speaker 3: It is equally important to be honest with them and

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Speaker 2: I read all of it. Some big questions are inescapable?

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Speaker 2: Are Brombin's writings the artifacts of a woman looking back

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Speaker 2: on the thirty one years of her life to that moment,

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Speaker 2: the shackles and sadness she felt in an intolerable marriage

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Speaker 3: I was surrounded by hate and abuse in various ways

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Speaker 3: as a child, and am determined not to allow this

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Speaker 3: one will ever intimidate me again, nor will I allow

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Speaker 3: cause damage to myself as well as my children. If

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Speaker 3: that everyone is out to own you paranoia, then it

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Speaker 2: Or are they the nuanced words of a woman who

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Speaker 2: imminently and dramatically change everything by leaving everyone who loved her,

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Speaker 2: She knew again.

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Speaker 3: Everyone has both good and bad, and I've confronted the

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Speaker 3: bad in myself and realized I am human. We all

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Speaker 3: with my memories in peace. I will always remember the

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Speaker 3: people I meet. I'll be fine now. A little break

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Speaker 2: Over months of visits to Lennox, nearby towns and villages,

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Speaker 2: talking to people who knew Bromwan and seeking answers to

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Speaker 2: light on what happened to Broman on the night of

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Speaker 2: May sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, when John was the last

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Speaker 2: In this enclave worshiped by dedicated surfers and made affluent

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Speaker 2: they've let on before about Broman's fate are coming forward.

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Speaker 2: Former police detectives are sharing information with me. Many hundreds

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Speaker 2: of pages of evidence are being scrutinized for clues. Here's

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Speaker 2: one example. On April two, nineteen ninety three, Doreen Strong

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Speaker 2: newly singled Bromwin from Lennox Head.

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Speaker 5: Bronwyn Winfield left husband ten days ago emotional violence, custody

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Speaker 5: threats being to solicitor. Received advice regarding custody. Feels better

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Speaker 2: Bromwyn saw three different solicitors after her separation from John.

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Speaker 2: On March twenty one, nineteen ninety three, she sought advice

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Speaker 2: an intended division of their assets. The solicitor she had

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Speaker 2: there was scheduled for Monday, May seventeen. I have a

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Speaker 2: of the house were quietly shelved. John kept his castle

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Speaker 4: Heads south on Dalana Street in seven hundred meters at

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Speaker 2: A good wave is peeling this sunny afternoon. Board riders

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Speaker 2: husband didn't leave Lennox Head after she vanished, but why

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Speaker 2: would he? John has always emphatically denied wrongdoing. In two

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Speaker 2: that Bromwin was dead, and he ended an inquest which

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Speaker 2: had traversed a large amount of evidence over five days

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Speaker 2: of hearings in a courtroom in Lismore. More importantly, the

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Speaker 2: Senior Coroner recommended to the Director of Public Prosecutions in

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Speaker 6: I wish to advise that, after careful consideration of the

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Speaker 6: matter referred to him by the Coroner, and following further investigation,

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Speaker 6: the Director of Public Prosecutions is not satisfied that there

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Speaker 2: The prosecuting agency confirmed its decision in a letter of

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Speaker 7: the Reed family to formally request a full explanation as

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Speaker 7: of Public Prosecutions in Sydney have decided there is not

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Speaker 7: sufficient evidence to lay charge against mister Jonathan Winfield.

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Speaker 7: No doubt you are aware that we are completely dissatisfied

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Speaker 9: The disappears of your sister Bronwin Winfield in May nineteen

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Speaker 15: neighbor and good friend, missus Bronwyn Winfield of Sandstone Crescent,

436
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 15: Linix Head. This case was also investigated by police in

437
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 15: a minor way. In the initial days of her disappearing.

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00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: She explained what Karl had disclosed some months earlier, that

439
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: his coronial inquiry had found that Bromwin was dead.

440
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 15: Debra added this inquiry deemed that a known person was

441
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 15: responsible for her disappearance. It was recommended to the Director

442
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 15: of Public Prosecutions to pursue it to trial. However, this

443
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 15: never has eventuated, even though the coroner deemed there was

444
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 15: enough evidence to convict this man. The reason stated by

445
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 15: DPP was that as there was never a body found,

446
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 15: they were not prepared to waste taxpayers dollars for a

447
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 15: non conviction. This man, John Winfield, continues, as does Chris Dawson,

448
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 15: to proclaim his wife just ran off and joined a

449
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 15: old or went with another man. There is so much

450
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 15: more I could inform you of in this case, but

451
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 15: it would take me hours. I just felt I needed

452
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 15: to highlight the extreme similarities of my best friend's case.

453
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 15: I really hope that justice is done for both these

454
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 15: poor women. Regards Deborah.

455
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: The following month, a woman living in Tasmania, Kim Marshall

456
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: emailed to tell me that her half sister bromwyin Winfield,

457
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: had been missing since May nineteen ninety three. When we

458
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: spoke on the telephone, Kim told me that it was

459
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: a homicide squad cold case, but it had gone very cold.

460
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: Kim told me back then in late twenty eighteen.

461
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Speaker 16: I carry this load each week and have an obligation

462
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 16: to try harder to find her body. I truly believe

463
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 16: her body can be found.

464
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: At the time, Chris Dawson remained a free man, enjoying

465
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: his retirement near the each on Queensland's Sunshine Coast, but

466
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: he and the criminal justice system were under enormous pressure

467
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: from the teacher's pet and listeners who had heard damning

468
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: evidence of the system's failure. Failure not just for the

469
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 2: absence of justice fa Lynn, but for never even investigating

470
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: a culture of grooming and sexual exploitation of Northern Beaches

471
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: high school girls by teachers, including Chris Dawson. At that time,

472
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: new witnesses were coming forward to talk to me in

473
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: the podcast. In twenty eighteen, some new witnesses were going

474
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: straight to police with evidence about Chris and Lynn. Her

475
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two disappearance and a ring of teachers who

476
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: had pursued high school girls. There had been a lot

477
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: of damage caused. It finally culminated in homicide Squad detectives

478
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: arresting Chris and extraditing him to Sydney to be charged

479
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: with Lynn's murder on December five, twenty eighteen. Over the

480
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: years since my folder of Bromwyn Winfield files grew steadily,

481
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: Bromwin's half sister, Kim Marshall, and others who knew the

482
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: Lenox mother of two girls stayed in touch. I heard

483
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: from a woman called Fiona Housner, who as a child

484
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: lived next door to Bromwin for years near Cronulla in

485
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: the Shire south of Sydney. We met in Brisbane in

486
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: early twenty nineteen at a bar called Felons to talk

487
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: about the case. Fiona, who was very fond of her

488
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: neighbor and babysitter, described what she called secrets and mystery

489
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: in relation to Bromwin's unexplained disappearance. I sent a note

490
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: to Broman's brother Andy Reid, using Facebook Messenger. I wrote,

491
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: I've been interested in possibly investigating the disappearance and suspected

492
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: murder of your sister Bromwin. A number of people who

493
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: knew Bromwin have urged me to do a podcast investigation

494
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: similar to the ten Each's pet into the probable murder

495
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: of Lynd Dawson. I understand that you have extensive files

496
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: and reasonable suspicions about what happened. It's not something I

497
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: could start without full cooperation from you and other members

498
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: of the family. Andy and his wife Michelle were immediately interested.

499
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: We met in a cafe in Sydney and talked about

500
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: a future podcast investigation. A woman from Barner called Kerry

501
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: McLain got in touch to talk to me about her

502
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: conversations with Brombin's daughter Crystal, who had lived in Kerry's

503
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: home for some time. You'll hear more about it later

504
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: in this podcast series. At my request, Andy Reid and

505
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: his wife Michelle, and Andy's half sister Kim Marshall started

506
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: to track down relevant paperwork. Transcripts from the original inquest

507
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 2: notes that they had taken at the time, and police statements.

508
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: Old articles about Roman's case whenever it featured in the

509
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: local newspaper, The Northern Star of Lismore were collated. In

510
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, I drove to Ballaner and the home

511
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: of Glen Taylor, a former Newcastle Homicide Squad detective sergeant.

512
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 2: Is a little of what Glenn told me back then,

513
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: as extreme rain flooded the northern rivers and low lying

514
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: areas of New South Wales. He told me that his

515
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: connection to Roman's case began in nineteen ninety eight when

516
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: she had been missing for five years.

517
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 17: Andrew Reed and Michelle Reid came to see myself in

518
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 17: another detective in Ballina and said, look, can we have

519
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 17: some fresh eyes look at this. We're just not happy

520
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 17: that this is again the elector is a missing person.

521
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 17: We think there's more to it, and then when we

522
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 17: start looking into the matter, I mean as a homicide investigator,

523
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 17: it was abundantly clear, very early in the initially reinvestigation

524
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 17: that it needed a lot more work done and then

525
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 17: a lot of formal statements.

526
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: Glenn had transferred north from Newcastle's major crime unit to

527
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: be a detective in the coastal town of Ballina. When

528
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 2: he heard about Bromwin, he was intrigued and then suspicious.

529
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: Like Damian Loon in Lynn's case, Glenn said he smelled

530
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: a rat, but the trail had gone cold. The odds

531
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: were stacked against the seasoned former homicide squad cop when

532
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: so little had been done by other police in the

533
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: five years immediately following Bromwin's disappearance.

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Speaker 17: I still believe that it was in the senior officer's

535
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 17: mind that this woman had in fact just voluntarily decided

536
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 17: to leave. It was fairly haphazard the investigation. There was

537
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 17: very very little done. There was no statements ever taken

538
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 17: from any particular person, like neighbors, I mean absolute critical

539
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 17: areas like there was no forensic investigation of the home.

540
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 17: There was no forensic investigation of the motor vehicle that

541
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 17: Jonathan Winfield had taken within hours of arriving back from

542
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 17: Sydney at the marital house. And over the years I

543
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 17: think there was only initially a few inquiries done and

544
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 17: then it just fell back to a missing person and

545
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 17: nothing further was done. Under many years later, I treated

546
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 17: as a major investigation and strongly suspected that.

547
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 11: Bromin be murdered.

548
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, your statement's very detail.

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00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 11: They they need to be thorough.

550
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 17: We're talking about the likely murder of a person, so they.

551
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: Need to be thorough.

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00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 18: Did you believe that Bromwin would leave her children?

553
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 11: And stay away at any stage.

554
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 17: All the people we took statements from in the reinvestigation,

555
00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 17: all Bromin's friends and close assationates, she absolutely adored her children.

556
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 17: There is just no way that she would have left

557
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 17: those children that night and not come back to the house.

558
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 17: She was just so attached to them. She was seeking

559
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 17: sole custodys of both the children. She was a very

560
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 17: very good mother according to everyone that.

561
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: We spoke to.

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00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 17: It was just absolutely totally out of her character to

563
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 17: just walk out and leave those children not have any

564
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 17: further contact. It just wouldn't happen unless she just couldn't

565
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 17: prevent it. That's why it was extremely suspicious.

566
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: And why was that not of you that existed in.

567
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 19: The police in nineteen ninety three when she disappeared.

568
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 17: It's really difficult to say. Police did get extremely busy

569
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 17: with other matters. Unfortunately, there's still other things happening with

570
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 17: robberies and breaknanners and sexual assaults and so forth. But

571
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 17: being highlighted to a commander to say, look, we believe

572
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 17: there's something more sinistry in this. We need more resources

573
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 17: put into this. But for one verse or another, that wasn't.

574
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: Done when we first met at his home. Glenn urged

575
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: a podcast investigation and he pledged his full support, but

576
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: I didn't have time. Then Chris Dawson was waging a

577
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: legal battle against the teacher's pet me and police. When

578
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: Glenn Taylor and Bromwin's family and friends were quietly talking

579
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: to me. Chris Dawson made a high stakes bid to

580
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: avoid a murder trial altogether. He said the publicity from

581
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: the podcast series meant that he couldn't get a fair trial.

582
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: He was also arguing that a shoddy original police investigation

583
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: after lim first disappeared had prejudiced his prospects in any trial,

584
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: but his bid to evade justice again was ultimately futile.

585
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: At the end of his murder trial, the Supreme Court's

586
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: Justice Ian Harrison delivered a verdict in late August twenty

587
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: twenty two.

588
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 20: Christopher Michael Dawson on the charts that on about eight

589
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 20: January nineteen eighty two, it gave you or elsewhere in

590
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 20: the state of New South Wales, you did murder Lynett Dawson.

591
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 17: I find you guilty.

592
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: I met Matt Fordham for the first time that day

593
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: in the Supreme Court in Sydney. Matt came to watch

594
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 2: justice unfold Better late than never. Investigating Lynn's nineteen eighty

595
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: two disappearance had led me to Karl Milavanovitch in December

596
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, and Karl would open the door to the

597
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three disappearance of Bromwin Winfield. And that's why

598
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: I'm driving in northern New South Wales in twenty twenty four,

599
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: thirty one years after Bromwin kissed her two girls good

600
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: night and put them to bear in an unremarkable house

601
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: on Sandstone Crescent, the house that John built his castle,

602
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: Bromman's prison.

603
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: Turn left on the Sandstone Present. Then arrive at your destination.

604
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: This is where's last set in life.

605
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 21: Arrive and there's the house. You can't help me wonder

606
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 21: what happened inside that night?

607
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 22: What led to a woman disappearing more thirty years ago?

608
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 22: Pleased to meet you too, Sorry it's taken almost six years.

609
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 12: Well that didn't about thirty plus time.

610
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: Deborah Hall has welcomed me inside her house at Sandstone Crescent.

611
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: This is where she and her partner Murray raised their

612
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: children and where their friend Bromwin Winfield lived next door

613
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: until her May sixteenth, nineteen ninety three disappearance.

614
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Speaker 13: Can I get you anything?

615
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: It'd be great, thank you. I've been up at Kingscliffe.

616
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: I didn't really be there, okay. Dear Van Murray were

617
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 2: important witnesses because they heard and saw things at key moments.

618
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: Bromwin was very unhappy, and she had confided this and

619
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: much more to Deb as their friendship deepened. Murray, the

620
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: son of a police detective, became highly suspicious and concerned

621
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: for Bromwin at a very early stage. Their children, who

622
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: used to play with Broman's two girls, have grown up,

623
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: moved away, married, and had children of their own. They

624
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: all returned to Sandstone Crescent for family occasions. Broman's fate

625
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: is often talked about at these catchups. Bromwan and the

626
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: House cast a long shadow. John has a newer, grander

627
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: house in Lennox. He sold up on Sandstone Crescent. His

628
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: place is closer to his favorite beach, Boulders. It is

629
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: a lot more valuable than the house in which John

630
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 2: and Bromwan lived with the two girls, Crystal and Lauren.

631
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Speaker 2: Do you mind if I have run a recorder over this?

632
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 8: So?

633
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.

634
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 23: I don't have any problem with that.

635
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 11: Do you have any other commitments this afternoon.

636
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 2: Actually, Broman's good friend told me her reaction while listening

637
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: to Linz's case unfold in The Teacher's Pet in twenty eighteen.

638
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 12: Driving up the coast, Mary and I and the current

639
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 12: has put you on. Put the podcast on. He goes,

640
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 12: I listen to this. I'm like, what is It's a

641
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 12: teacher's pet. I had no idea, So I started listening,

642
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 12: and I'm like looking at him, going, are you hearing this?

643
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 13: This is this is almost our case.

644
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: I'm like going, this is like, this is Bromplin, this

645
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: is Bromlin.

646
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 12: That was what prompted me to email you, and I

647
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 12: hope you didn't mind me doing that because it was.

648
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 15: So similar, and I thought I got to just.

649
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 12: Put it out there, not expecting that because I know

650
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 12: his man getting back to me. You know when you're

651
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 12: a finer. I thought, oh, okay, so obviously we're a

652
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 12: little bit aware of this situation.

653
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: Dev An Bromwin had an easy rapport. They helped each

654
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: other all the time. Bromin received comfort and support from

655
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: deb and other friends from whom you'll hear they knew

656
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: she was determined to walk from the ruins of her

657
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: relatively brief marriage with John Winfield.

658
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 12: Watching Chris Dawson on TV is almost like watching John Winfield.

659
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 12: How so similar in terms of good looking guy, physique everything.

660
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 24: You could almost be cloned.

661
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: You two men.

662
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 12: Knowing John the way I knew John, I'm like, God,

663
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 12: you know, these guys are just on the same path.

664
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: Well, I was really glad that you're ope.

665
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 12: I didn't want to overset my mark and push anything

666
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 12: when it's up to the family that kind.

667
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 2: Of agree with that sort of thing.

668
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 25: So I'm just so frustrated by the fact that this

669
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 25: beautiful woman who was a good friend of mine is

670
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 25: no longer with us, and possibly at the hands of

671
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 25: her husband.

672
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 24: And the fact that the two girls had grown up

673
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 24: without their mother. They've got kids of their own that

674
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 24: she never got to meet. And Bromwe was a very caring,

675
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 24: very loving and beautiful person. She was a great mum.

676
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 12: And this is why, in regards to what you've just

677
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 12: done with the dows In case, when I heard the

678
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 12: story about her, she's almost identical.

679
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 24: To how problem was.

680
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: And there was no way she would leave those kids.

681
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 24: And I know that, and that's the thing that I

682
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 24: kept saying to the police in the initial investigation.

683
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 26: Married this is Headley.

684
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah you too.

685
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 11: How are the waves today? Wasn't that good?

686
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 13: That I went out the wrong spots?

687
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: Stars?

688
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 11: I should have off the point I went bubbles Bach.

689
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 11: I got smashed a bit right, quite fun.

690
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 17: Yeah, I've been here about half an hour just going

691
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 17: through some of the events.

692
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 27: Yeah, she's a nice lady.

693
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 11: You know, if you're sick, she brought you out some shit.

694
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 15: Because I remember when I had Dale.

695
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 24: She came down with lasagneas and that's the sort of person.

696
00:45:59,640 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 21: She was.

697
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 27: A class two sex is a class A really nice neighbor,

698
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 27: beautiful lady.

699
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 2: Murray Nolan still goes to Boulders Beach for a look

700
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: and often a surf most days, and he usually sees

701
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: his former neighbor John Winfield down there. Sometimes they paddle

702
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: for the same wave. At other times they'll look out

703
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: over the water from the car park and talk about

704
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 2: what the weather might bring. Murray liked bromwin a lot.

705
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: He cannot avoid what he believes is the truth, but

706
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: it's not in his nature to avoid and ostracize John.

707
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 27: John is perfectly civil and friendly to you. Yes, I'll

708
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 27: still see him every day. I spoke to this morning.

709
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 27: Oh John, how I am a bit windy, swells up,

710
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 27: beautiful surfing sort of talk. But I see him now,

711
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 27: I reckon probably nine days out of ten, I seene,

712
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 27: where did you see it?

713
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 5: This morning?

714
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 11: He was just checking the surf.

715
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: We're all went surfing. But does John know what you

716
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: suspect he has done?

717
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 27: Yes, I threw him under the bus with the currency quarry.

718
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 11: My role is to sell the truth. And he's never

719
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 11: raised that with you.

720
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 27: No, and you just get out and talk to each

721
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 27: other as if nothing's happened.

722
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fine with me.

723
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 12: Strange, isn't it.

724
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're quite friendly.

725
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 11: It's a funny, says situation.

726
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: And what's your level of confidence that he did in

727
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 2: fact kill.

728
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 27: Robin nine point nine?

729
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: How about you?

730
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 12: Dd one hundred? See, Murray has a nicer nature than

731
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 12: I have. I'll steer him down. I won't speak to him.

732
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: DEBI is spreading documents and photographs across the table for

733
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: me to read and copy.

734
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 24: Yeah, there's a fabis here I've got that's my statement.

735
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 14: Oh that was Brian there.

736
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 27: That was in a very good shot.

737
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 24: That was one of my children's birthday party.

738
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: A service of Thanksgiving.

739
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 22: Yeah, so this has dated July two thousand and two.

740
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 12: Andrew wanted to have a bit of a memorial before her.

741
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: There was certainty that she wouldstend. I might photograph all these.

742
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 22: It's a small community relatively, yes, but he stayed here

743
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 22: the whole time.

744
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, What do you think of that? Does that

745
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: suggest that perhaps he's got nothing to hide? He's not

746
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: running away.

747
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 11: He loves this place.

748
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: He knows he's done nothing wrong. I also think that

749
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: he's very instillent as well. He doesn't speak to that

750
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: many people.

751
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 24: I don't know what the outcome of all this will be.

752
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 11: What's your hope.

753
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: My hope and the hope of many who knew and

754
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: loved Bronwin is that new and illuminating facts emerge as

755
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: a result of this podcast series, something that might finally

756
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: resolve this sad cold case. If Bromwin went away, as

757
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: John Winfield says, where and with whom did she go?

758
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: If Bromwin has been dead all these years, as a

759
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: former deputy state coroner ruled, how did Bromwin die and who,

760
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: if anyone bears responsibility for her death? And where is

761
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: her body? I have approached John Winfield and asked him

762
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: for an interview. John's side of the story is very important.

763
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 2: John has always emphatically denied any role in any foul play.

764
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: So far, John has declined to speak to me on

765
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 2: the record or on background. I'm going to keep trying

766
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: because he hasn't ruled it out. In an email to

767
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: me on May twenty one, twenty twenty four, John stated.

768
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 28: I have previously made a sworn statement in nineteen ninety

769
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 28: eight in which I answered four hundred and fifteen questions,

770
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 28: and as I said to George Radmore in twenty ten,

771
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 28: I stand by these answers I gave.

772
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: Those are John's words from his email. It's not his voice.

773
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: He answered questions in a nineteen ninety eight interview he

774
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: agreed to do in Ballina Police station, soon after the

775
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: then detective Sergeant Glenn Taylor had started to investigate Bromman's

776
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: case properly for the first time. Twelve years later, in

777
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: twenty ten, another experienced detective, George Radmore, who was with

778
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: the homicide Squad of New South Wales, led a reinvestigation.

779
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: In John Winfield's email to me on the eve of

780
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 2: the release of this episode, he said he might bring

781
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: legal action depending on the content of this podcast series,

782
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: and John added there is.

783
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 28: A generational history of mental illness, both male and female

784
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 28: in the Reed family.

785
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: Now. Kim Marshall in Tasmania was the first member of

786
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: Bromman's family to contact me. That was back in twenty eighteen.

787
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 2: Kim has been a terrier with the help of her

788
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 2: half brother Andy Reid, in finding decades old documents and

789
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: evidence from the case.

790
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 16: And Andrew has a box packed away, and Christal has

791
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 16: a box packed away. Andrew has got masses of stuff,

792
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 16: boxes that are in ceilings and boxes that are stacked,

793
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 16: all that type of business. And I love rummaging and

794
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 16: getting everything together and putting in some type of chronological

795
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 16: order for you. So I've asked them both to try

796
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 16: and get access to their boxes, but I dare say

797
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 16: it's going to be me physically being the hunter and gatherer,

798
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 16: getting there and going about my business.

799
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: Well, that sounds really good, Kim. Missing police statements, which

800
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: I had been asking members of the family about from

801
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: the start of our contact, finally materialized. Bronwin's eldest daughter,

802
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 2: Crystal had them.

803
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 16: Crystal has all the original statements in full, which is

804
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 16: what Andrew's been looking for for a very long time.

805
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 16: Crystal actually has them.

806
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 18: I didn't believe that material would become available, So having

807
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 18: that makes a very big difference.

808
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 5: Yes.

809
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: Andy Reid, a builder and a popular community figure in

810
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: Sydney's Sutherlandshire near Qunella, sought the blessing of his niece

811
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: Crystal to press forward with a podcast investigation. Roman's daughter

812
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: is in her early forties. She's a single mum with

813
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: mixed and complicated views about what happened to her own

814
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: mother when Crystal was ten.

815
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 29: She just said to us, it's just time that she

816
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 29: finds you out, and she wants to know what happened. Endeavor

817
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 29: to do whatever's needed to be done to try and

818
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 29: find out the truth.

819
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 16: She is terrified as losing the small relationship that she

820
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 16: has with her sister Lauren. Lauren doesn't believe that John

821
00:52:58,880 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 16: did it.

822
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: In June twenty twenty three, I asked Andy about the

823
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: status of police investigations into Bromwin's disappearance.

824
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 11: Have you heard any more from the police?

825
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 29: No, we haven't heard anything. Unless something turns up, we're

826
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 29: basically at a dead end.

827
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 16: You know.

828
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 29: They weren't willing to investigate anything that was presented to

829
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 29: them any further than what they.

830
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 16: Already had they haven't bothered.

831
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 29: To reach out or contact or anything for a long

832
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 29: time now. The last detective at Newcastle was the last

833
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 29: person that I used.

834
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 7: To liaise with.

835
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 29: So every twelve months just ring and asked a couple

836
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 29: of questions and see if he's heard anything into it's

837
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 29: just that the same response.

838
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 21: Now that's been no.

839
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 29: Activity on a cards, no activity on a bank account,

840
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 29: blah blah blah. Well it can't be anymore anyway, because

841
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 29: the bank account was closed down.

842
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: When I spoke to Andy in June twenty twenty three,

843
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: before I could start a reinvestigation of the case early

844
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 2: the following year, he confirmed his strong view about who

845
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 2: had killed his older sister.

846
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 29: Oh, nothing's changed, nothing's changed after the corral inquiry.

847
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 18: How do you reckon he would be viewing the development

848
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 18: of these true crime investigations, particularly with podcasts into the

849
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 18: disappearances or murders unsolved of women.

850
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 13: He'd be raddled.

851
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 11: I'm sure he'd be rattled.

852
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 13: Yep, which is good.

853
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 7: Unless she sleeps at night, the better off we all are.

854
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 2: Although Andy and other members of the family have been

855
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: angered that police did not do much more soon after

856
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: her disappearance, they have only praise for the first detective

857
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 2: to seriously suspect foul play.

858
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 13: Did you speak to Glenn Taylor, Yes.

859
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 11: I interviewed him. That would have been two and a

860
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 11: half years.

861
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 13: Ago, just after we first met when I put you

862
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 13: onto him here.

863
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I drove down and saw him at his house. There.

864
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 2: He had a little bit of paperwork and I took

865
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: copies of that.

866
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 18: I probably interviewed him for about two hours and I've

867
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 18: got that audiophile.

868
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 13: He's always been very helpful with us too.

869
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 29: It was always so apologetic about how badly it was

870
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 29: handled by the police in the first case, and I

871
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 29: always said to him, no, no, for you to apologize,

872
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 29: You've only been part of getting it over the line

873
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 29: of the Corona inquiry.

874
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 2: Later in this series you'll hear from Glenn Taylor again

875
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 2: about the work that he did to get a brief

876
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: of evidence to the coroner. Glenn's efforts to get to

877
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: the bottom of Bromin's disappearance are ongoing. Glenn vented his

878
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: frustrations in a letter he wrote to Andy and Michelle

879
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: in two thousand and three, one year after the inquest.

880
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 30: Now that I'm out of the New South Wales Police,

881
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 30: I can get my opinion. Regarding the original investigation, one

882
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 30: word describes it disgraceful. The house in Sandstean Crescent should

883
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 30: have been subject to an intensive crime scene investigation. The

884
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 30: same for the Ford motor vehicle. There is nothing in

885
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 30: the running sheets to indicate the vehicle was either looked at.

886
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 30: There was not one single statement taken from any witness,

887
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 30: and more importantly, no statement or interview was taken from

888
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 30: John Winfield.

889
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 2: Now, some things have changed since June twenty twenty three,

890
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: which was when Andy told me that homicide detectives were

891
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: doing nothing about Bromin's case and that it had gone

892
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: completely cold. It seems the police, after years of inactivity

893
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: and now getting active again, Is that right?

894
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 7: This whole thing sort of stirred back up with us talking.

895
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 31: To you, and we were very curious, and we contacted

896
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 31: the police.

897
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 7: Myself and Kim went and had a meeting.

898
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: A senior officer in the police Unsolved Homicide Unit told

899
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: Andy and Kim that Bromin's case was being reviewed the

900
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: request of another veteran detective, George Radmore.

901
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 31: He put a very strong case forward upon his retirement

902
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 31: and a request to have Borman's case looked at they're

903
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 31: in the process of doing a complete review that I'll

904
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 31: give them.

905
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 16: The benefit of doubt because they're trying to get up

906
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 16: to speed because they're still looking for their documents.

907
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: Shortly before the release of this first episode, Andy went

908
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: to see top detectives from the Homicide Squad's unsolved unit.

909
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: They had asked Andy to come to a meeting for

910
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: an update on how their review of the case had gone.

911
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 32: Basically said, well, their hands are tried. We can't do

912
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 32: any more than what we've done, and we don't have

913
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 32: any new evidence.

914
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 11: As it stands.

915
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, he said.

916
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 32: Going Look, I cannot apologize enough for how badly the

917
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 32: original investigation was handled. They've got no intention of putting

918
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 32: any more work into it.

919
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: I'm aware that today is the anniversary of Yeah, can

920
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: you believe it?

921
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 11: Thirty one years.

922
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: Let's see where we get to after the podcast.

923
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 11: Then is it named?

924
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is? What do you reckon we're calling it?

925
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 6: Yeah?

926
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: I don't know one word Bromwin. Oh lovely. You know

927
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: a lot of people will start talking about Bromwin. This

928
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: case never got any publicity.

929
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 11: Not really. No.

930
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: The Northern Star and that was it.

931
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 32: And that was on a milk cart and once she

932
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:37,479
Speaker 32: was on a milk cut.

933
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: We won't have that problem this time. It'll get a

934
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: lot of attention. That's the game change that encourages people

935
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: to come forward. We'll hear from people we've never heard

936
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: of before who listen and know something that helps. I

937
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: don't want to over promise, but I really hope it

938
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: makes a difference. Yeah, same with me and and Kim.

939
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: Bromwyn's siblings are adamant that they want the podcast to

940
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: go ahead. They have been disappointed by official them too

941
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: many times.

942
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 16: There is a lot more that the police could do.

943
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 16: They've got the wrong mindset from back in the day.

944
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 16: They've looked at the wrong things, and there's so many

945
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 16: pieces of evidence that have never been presented.

946
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: Before Bromwin vanished. She was planning to welcome Kim to

947
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: Lennox to the house at Sandstone Crescent for a rare visit.

948
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 16: I spoke to her every day on the phone about

949
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 16: my plane flight, what time my plane would arrive, then

950
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 16: I'd be getting on the Greyhound bus. We found the

951
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 16: buses out together, what time the bus would arrive in Ballina.

952
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 16: It's going to be so exciting. I'll be able to

953
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 16: show you all my dresses in my wardrobe because I've

954
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 16: never had an adult experience with Bonnie, if that makes sense.

955
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,959
Speaker 16: It was always as the youngest child, but this time

956
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 16: it was going to be adult to adult, and so

957
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 16: we had all these wonderful talks. And it's only now

958
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 16: that I could talk to someone about this.

959
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: It was Kim who first alerted me to Bromwyn's storytelling

960
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 2: her writings, and it was Kim who appreciated how the

961
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: words Bromwyn had left behind on those A four pages

962
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: were used against her early on, when she no longer

963
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: had a voice.

964
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 16: Letters that Bromwin wrote to Mum saying that she was

965
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 16: scared for her life. There's enough circumstantial evidence.

966
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 11: Were those letters that she wrote to your mother.

967
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 16: The police won't give them back to me. They never

968
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 16: ever ever ever find them or send them the story

969
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 16: that she was writing. They've got the wrong idea about

970
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 16: what's actually happened there. Bromwyn wrote a beautiful story of

971
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 16: her history. Okay, this big large pad which some people

972
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 16: have copies of it. The police never gave me mind back.

973
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 16: She actually wrote this beautiful chronological list of her history

974
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 16: of everything. That is a story about Bromwyn and then

975
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 16: she says, when I come back, the real Bromwyn will

976
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 16: be back, so watch out. That statement has got nothing

977
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 16: to do with Bromwyn going away on a three to

978
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 16: five day respite rest. That is her writing a story.

979
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 16: And John has used that paragraph to say that Bromwin

980
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 16: has lost her marbles and has actually decided to act

981
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 16: on what she was writing. And he goes, she's unstable,

982
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 16: she's like a mother, blah blah blah.

983
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: Kim insists that in the weeks and months after Bromwin

984
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: first disappeared, police in Balina, who has showing her writings,

985
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: were persuaded that she wanted to leave her children, that

986
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: she planned to go away.

987
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 16: They thought brom would have gone away for a rest

988
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 16: because of this story that she'd written. The detectives asked

989
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 16: us all these questions, but they asked the questions with

990
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 16: a bias or a perspective already in place. They didn't

991
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 16: actually investigate with an open mind.

992
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 2: Now I need to explain a little of the family

993
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: history of Bromwan, her brother Andy Reid, and their half

994
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 2: sister Kim Marshall. It is going to become more relevant

995
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: later in this podcast series. You heard Kim make a

996
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: fleeting reference to her mother, Barbara, being unstable. Barbara had

997
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:41,439
Speaker 2: postonatal depression, and in an extraordinary coincidence, Barbara disappeared too.

998
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 2: Bromman was a toddler aged two, and her little brother

999
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 2: Andy was six months old. Kim had not yet been born.

1000
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 2: The circumstances were very different in Bromwin's mother's case because

1001
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: Barbara came back after getting treatment for her her mental

1002
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: health challenges. And while Barbara was away, some in her

1003
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: family knew where she was, they were in touch with her.

1004
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: But as you'll hear, a sad chapter of family history

1005
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: revolving around Barbara would directly influence the initial investigation into

1006
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 2: Bronwin's disappearance three decades later.

1007
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 11: Good to meet you, missus, reed Leah Cleia, Hi, come

1008
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 11: on in.

1009
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: I've come to the Sydney home of Bromwin's aunt Leah

1010
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 2: Reid and her husband John Reid. They know the family

1011
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 2: history because they lived it. Bromwin's father Philip and Bromwin's

1012
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: uncle John were brothers.

1013
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 26: Thomas and I said, Jimmy's going to expect his lenks

1014
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 26: to go on, but no, no, he won't have a

1015
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 26: walking sticks.

1016
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 11: A lovely photos here three children and grandchildren.

1017
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 21: We've got a videotype there with Broma with a father

1018
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 21: at the hospital.

1019
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 26: We could never understand why she didn't try modeling because

1020
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 26: she was tall and blonde and good looking.

1021
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 11: You knew Bromman's mother, Yes, what do you recall about her?

1022
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 26: Well, when he met her, she was a nurse in

1023
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 26: the local hospital and he had tom slatis, wasn't it

1024
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 26: And he said the first thing he saw when he

1025
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 26: woke up was Barbara's face. And everyone thought, you know,

1026
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 26: what a marvelous match because she was a real country girl.

1027
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 26: She made pickles, she knitted, she did everything, and it

1028
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 26: seemed like, you know, a marriage made in heaven. And

1029
01:04:54,360 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 26: then she had Bromwin. We noticed after that she became strange.

1030
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 26: She'd come and stay with us in Sydney, and I noticed,

1031
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 26: don't be talking to her, and suddenly she just get

1032
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 26: this vague look on her face and stopped talking and

1033
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 26: then come back into the conversation. I don't know how long,

1034
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 26: you know, it might have only been five minutes, but

1035
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 26: it seemed like a long while. And they started taking

1036
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 26: her to various different doctors and specialists, and they said

1037
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 26: that she was just a housewife and needed to get

1038
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 26: out more. And then we went to visit them in

1039
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 26: Wollongong and we were invited to dinner, and I noticed

1040
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 26: that Philip was the one that was cooking the steak.

1041
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 26: He was bathing the kids, and she dropped sugar all

1042
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 26: over the floor, and so he had to clean that up.

1043
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 26: And I said to him, you know what's happening, And

1044
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 26: he said he couldn't rely on her to do anything,

1045
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 26: and that he didn't know whether the kids would even

1046
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 26: be fed. I didn't come home from school at lunchtime

1047
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 26: to feed them.

1048
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: We've been joined by a young woman, Madison Walsh, who

1049
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 2: helped arrange this interview between her grandparents and me. She's

1050
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: very curious about Bromwin's case and has been doing her

1051
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: own research, reading police statements and talking to relatives. Maddie

1052
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: is closest to Bromwin's eldest daughter, Crystal, and they are related,

1053
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: of course, and you're going to hear a lot more

1054
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 2: from Maddie in later episodes.

1055
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 26: Barbara was there and then she wasn't.

1056
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 11: Sounds like she was really struggling.

1057
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 29: She was struggling.

1058
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 14: She must have been.

1059
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 23: It also sounds like a bit of like postnatal depression,

1060
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 23: which is very prevalent these days. But back in the day,

1061
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 23: you would have just been labeled as.

1062
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 26: Well, Hey, an postnatal depression, so I know what that

1063
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 26: was about.

1064
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 11: These sorts of issues were not as well understood.

1065
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 26: They didn't know about it. I mean, the poor kids

1066
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 26: had a dreadful, dreadful doing.

1067
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 13: She just took off.

1068
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 10: We didn't know where she was.

1069
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 26: And then she got in touch. She rang up and

1070
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 26: said that she couldn't cope with Andrew, come and get him.

1071
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 26: She just disappeared.

1072
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 23: I think they reconnected from what I've seen in her

1073
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 23: bron was eleven and Andrew was around nine, and then

1074
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 23: they maintained contact ever since.

1075
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 21: Then.

1076
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 23: Barbara didn't have custody of them, which she says is

1077
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 23: why she wanted to have another child, Kim.

1078
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 19: And then many years later Bronwan disappeared. Did the family

1079
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 19: suspect that Roman was just doing what her mother had done.

1080
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 2: No?

1081
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 26: Really, I didn't, well no, because she wasn't like nothing

1082
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 26: like Barbara.

1083
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 13: We didn't ever think about it being like.

1084
01:07:58,320 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 21: No.

1085
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 26: I never thought it was, oh, you know, here we.

1086
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 13: Go again, Barbara all over. Nothing happened to make us

1087
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 13: think that, and certain on me anyhow.

1088
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 26: I think if we thought there was anything wrong with Roman,

1089
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 26: we probably would have thought it was just because of

1090
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 26: her dramatic childhood.

1091
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 2: Brommin was an exceptionally caring and loving mother. But when

1092
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,759
Speaker 2: she disappeared in nineteen ninety three, the actions three decades

1093
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 2: earlier of her mother Barbara, who was suffering without appropriate treatment,

1094
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,919
Speaker 2: were raised and relied upon to so doubt to impune

1095
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Speaker 2: Bromwin and suggest that she had abandoned her kids.

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Speaker 19: And did the police, who were alerted to Broman's disappearance

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Speaker 19: in nineteen ninety three contact you in that time?

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Speaker 26: No, I don't remember any police coming to us until

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Speaker 26: that must have been nineteen ninety eight, and.

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Speaker 11: That's the first time you heard from police.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, hello, Hello?

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Speaker 2: Is that Meghan? Another family member who will be prominent

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Speaker 2: in upcoming episodes is Bromwin's cousin, Megan Reid, the daughter

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Speaker 2: of John and Leah. Meghan played a significant role in

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01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 2: Bromwin's life, and they were in close contact before she disappeared.

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Speaker 33: Right from the get go when she was born, she

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Speaker 33: used to stay with my family. We're only sixteen months apart,

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Speaker 33: and we were as close as close.

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Speaker 6: Her relationship with John.

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Speaker 16: I knew what it was like.

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Speaker 33: I knew I'd seen the bruises. She showed my father's

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Speaker 33: news statement to me.

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Speaker 34: It's just so shocking because I used to speak to

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Speaker 34: her when she was on that phone and I could

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Speaker 34: hear him yelling and screaming and being on the door.

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Speaker 15: I mean, surely other people heard it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 34: She was terrified of John, absolutely terrifying of him. If

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Speaker 34: he had made it incredibly clear that she would never

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Speaker 34: get that house. The last thing she said to me

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Speaker 34: was that the best and she ever did was to

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Speaker 34: move out and get away from him. She had asked

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Speaker 34: my parents for money she needed to retain a solicitor.

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Speaker 6: I just can't believe the timing.

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Speaker 33: I don't understand to this day how Jonathan's walking around

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Speaker 33: the streets. It just astound me as the incoonfidence.

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Speaker 14: Of the police.

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Speaker 15: They've lost a lot of the evidence.

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Speaker 33: They can't even find it, can in believe it.

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Speaker 34: They've bungled this so barely they really have.

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Speaker 15: I've lived with it for thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Bronwyn has written and investigated by me Headley Thomas as

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Speaker 2: a podcast production for The Australian. If anyone has information

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Speaker 2: which may help solve this cold case, please contact me

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Speaker 2: confidentially by email Bronwyn at the Australian dot com dot Au.

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Speaker 2: You can read more about this case and see a

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Speaker 2: range of photographs and other artwork at the website Bromwyn

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Speaker 2: podcast dot com. Our subscribers and registered users here episodes first.

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Speaker 2: The production and editorial team for bromwin includes Claire Harvey,

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Speaker 2: Kristin Amiot, Joshua Burton, Bridget, Ryan Bianca, far Marcus, Katie Burns,

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Speaker 2: Liam Mendez, Sean Callen and Matthew Condon and David Murray.

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Speaker 2: Audio production for this podcast series is by Wasabi Audio

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Speaker 2: and original theme music by Slade Gibson. We have been

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Speaker 2: assisted by Madison Walsh, a relation of bromwyin Winfield. We

1145
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 2: can only do this kind of journalism with the support

1146
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Speaker 2: of our subscribers and our major sponsors like Harvey Norman.

1147
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Speaker 2: For all of our exclusive stories, videos, maps, timelines and

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Speaker 2: documents about this podcast and other podcasts including The Teacher's Pet,

1149
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Speaker 2: The Teacher's Trial, The Teacher's Accuser, Shandy Story, Shandy's Legacy

1150
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Speaker 2: and The Night Driver, go to the Australian dot com

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Speaker 2: dot Au and subscribe