1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, June eighteen, twenty twenty five. The sprawling Middle 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: East crisis hits a new gear today after Donald Trump 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: left the G seven meeting early and missed his meeting 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: with Anthony Albanezi to focus on the Iran Israel war. 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: This story's moving fast and you can read the latest 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: from our correspondents on the ground, Jonnie Bashan and Leam Mendez, 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: plus all the world's best reporting and analysis right now 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: at The Australian dot Com dot you. The Crown doesn't 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: have a motive for Aaron Patterson's alleged murder of her 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: family members, but the prosecutors say they have proved Aaron 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: Patterson deliberately poisoned them. The defense says that lack of 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: an alleged motive means she's not guilty. Today the closing 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: arguments in the Mushroom trial, brought to you by Voice Actors. 15 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: If Aaron Patterson deliberately poisoned her elderly relatives, what's the motive? 16 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: And if it was all a terrible accident, how does 17 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: she explain her lies? That's the nub of this week's 18 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: action in the mushroom trial in the Victorian Supreme Court, 19 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: sitting in the Latrobe Valley, where this fifty year old 20 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: mother of two is pleading not guilty to three counts 21 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: of murder and one of attempted murder. Aaron Patterson doesn't 22 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: have to prove anything. The onus is all on the 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: Crown to convince the jury that not only did her 24 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: actions result in three deaths, Don and Gale Patterson and 25 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: Heather Wilkinson, and one very serious illness Ian Wilkinson, but 26 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: that this wasn't just reckless or foolish, it was deliberate. 27 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: That's the essential component of murder. In a moment, will 28 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: take you to the defense closing argument by Colin Man. 29 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: But first, here's how the Crown has set out its 30 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: closing to the jury in the past two days. Doctor 31 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: Nannette Roger's sc is the Crown prosecutor. We've used a 32 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: voice actor to bring you her words and all the 33 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: words spoken in court. 34 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: At the heart of this case are four calculated deceptions 35 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: made by the accused. The first deception was the fabricated 36 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: cancer claim she used as a pretense for the lunch invitation. 37 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: The second deception was the lethal doses of poison the 38 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: accused secreted in the home cooked beef Wellington's. The third 39 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: deception was her attempts to make it seem that she 40 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: also suffered death cap mushroom poisoning. And fourthly, the fourth 41 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: deception the sustained cover up she embarked upon to conceal 42 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: the truth. 43 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: The Crown hasn't come up with a motive for Patterson's 44 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: alleged crimes, and it doesn't have to. The Crown only 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: has to convince the jury beyond reasonable doubt that her 46 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: actions were premeditated and intentional. If you've been following the trial, 47 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: you'll remember the message exchanges Erin Patterson had with her 48 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: mother in law Gail and her husband Simon in the 49 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: days before the lunch. 50 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 3: Hi, Gail, I had a needle biopsy taken of the 51 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: lump and I'm returning for an MIRI next week and 52 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: we'll know more after the results of those two things. 53 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: Hi, Erin, how did you get on yesterday with your 54 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: medical tests? 55 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 4: Love, Don and Gail. 56 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: There's a bit to digest with everything that's come out 57 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: of it all. I might talk more about it with 58 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: you both when I see you in person. Love Erin 59 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: the Crown says Patterson was telling bald faced lies. 60 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: She didn't think her lunch guests would live to reveal it. 61 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: Her lie would die with them. 62 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: But Ian Wilkinson, Erin's uncle by marriage and a pastor 63 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: at the local Baptist church, live to tell his tale. 64 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: Ian Wilkinson told you after the lunch, Aaron announced she 65 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: had cancer. She said she was very concerned because she 66 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: believed it was very serious, life threatening. She was anxious 67 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: about telling the kids. She was asking our advice about it. 68 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: Should I tell the kids or not tell the kids 69 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: about this threat to my life. She spoke about a 70 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 2: diagnostic test that showed a spot on the scan that 71 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: was a tumor. He led a prayer asking for God's 72 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: blessing and that she'd have the wisdom in how she 73 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: told the kids. 74 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: Rogers said Simon's father, Don, before he died, would reveal 75 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: to his son. 76 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: What the accused had told them. That she'd had some 77 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: tests on her elbow which had led to the discovery 78 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: of ovarian cancer. A positive cancer diagnosis is what Don 79 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: told Simon. 80 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson said in her time in the witness box, 81 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: she never gave them a definite diagnosis, only that cancer 82 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: was a possibility. She said she really did have plans 83 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: for surgery, but it was a gastric bypass that she 84 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: was too embarrassed to discuss. 85 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: This was an elaborate lie. 86 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: Nanett Rogers told the jury Aaron Patterson knowingly concealed enough 87 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: deathcap mushrooms in the individual beef Wellington's to kill each 88 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: of her lunch guests. 89 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: She made sure she would not suffer the same fate 90 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: as her lunch guests by making herself an individual beef 91 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: Wellington that did not contain any death cap mushrooms. The 92 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: sinister deception was to use a nourishing meal as the 93 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: vehicle to deliver the deadly poison. 94 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,239 Speaker 1: Patterson told a Child Protective Services officer she'd never made 95 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: beef wellington before, but used a recipe from Nagi Mayhashi's 96 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: recipe Tin Eats cookbook because she wanted to do something fancy. 97 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: Rogers said that recipe called for a single beef Wellington 98 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: meat encased in layers of mushroom paste and pastry to 99 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: be sliced up, not individual Wellington's, as Patterson made. 100 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: Why deviate so significantly from an unfamiliar recipe for a 101 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: special lunch. The prosecution says this was a deliberate choice. 102 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: It enabled the accused to control what ingredients went into 103 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: each individual parcel, and it was the only way to 104 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: be sure that she herself would not accidentally consume any 105 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: death cap mushroom. 106 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: Rogers suggested Aaron Patterson may have made two batches of 107 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: mushroom paste, one poisoned, one knot. In her evidence, Patterson 108 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: said she'd added dried mushrooms from a tubbleware box to 109 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: improve the flavor. 110 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: The recipe book called for seven hundred grams of sliced 111 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: mushrooms to serve six or eight people, so she had 112 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 2: one point seventy five kilos of mushrooms for a dish 113 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: that called for less than half. Why then would she 114 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: resort to dried or forage mushrooms she had more than enough. 115 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: Pattison said she thought these were dried mushrooms she'd boord 116 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: from an Asian grosser, but later realized they must have 117 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: also contained dried death cap mushrooms she'd accidentally foraged. Patterson's 118 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: evidence was that she had saved the mushrooms because there 119 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: were two strong for a meal she'd made previously. She 120 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: said they'd smelt pungent, and the jury heard from expert 121 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: witness Tom May that dried deathcap mushrooms had a very strong, 122 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: unpleasant smell. 123 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: Why then, would you add mushrooms that smell funny and 124 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: you're worried might be too overpowering to a special lunch 125 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: you were preparing for guests. The evidence in this trial 126 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: shows that the accused knew how to dehydrate and blitz 127 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 2: mushrooms into a powder to hide inside food. 128 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: That's a reference to a message sent to the friends 129 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: she made in a true crime Facebook group in which 130 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: she said she'd been hiding dehydrated mushrooms in her children's 131 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: food in order to increase their intake of veggies. Rogers 132 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: then turned to a website called eye Naturalist, where users 133 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: can post their observations about fungi growing in the wild, 134 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: including their specific geographic location. 135 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: There is no direct evidence as to where the accused 136 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: sourced deathcap mushrooms. However, what the evidence does demonstrate is 137 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: that she was aware of a website that could be 138 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: used to locate deathcap mushrooms, and that she had the 139 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: opportunity to source those mushrooms at a time proximate or 140 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: near to the lunch. 141 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: Rogers said analysis of the devices seized from Aaron Patterson's 142 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: home showed she used the map feature on I Naturalist 143 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two to view the location of deathcap 144 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: mushrooms in Victoria. Rogers said she didn't seek out information 145 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: about other types of mushrooms. 146 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: The only other people living with the accused in the 147 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: house at the time was her son and her daughter. 148 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: You will therefore have no trouble, I suggest, being satisfied 149 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 2: that it was the accused using the computer to look 150 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: up death cap mushrooms on I Naturalist. 151 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: In April twenty twenty three, a post on Our Naturalist 152 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: recorded a sighting of death cap mushrooms in the Locke area, 153 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: about twenty eight k's from Patterson's town of land Gatha. 154 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: Rogers took the jury to sell tower information that tracked 155 00:08:55,640 --> 00:09:00,239 Speaker 1: Patterson's phone on that day and photos found on her device. 156 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: From all this evidence, you can safely infer that the 157 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: accused firstly was out at the lock reserve on the 158 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: twenty eighth of April twenty three. Secondly that she found 159 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: and collected death cat mushrooms from that reserve. Thirdly that 160 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: then she went to leem Gatha and bought the dehydrator 161 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: within two hours of returning from Locke for the very 162 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: purpose of dehydrating and preserving those death cap mushrooms. And fourthly, 163 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: these photos on the Samsung tablet show the very death 164 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: cap mushroom she collected at the lock Reserve. 165 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: Rogers said Patterson was not seriously unwell after the lunch, 166 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,599 Speaker 1: and she knew that was a problem. She ran the 167 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: jury through evidence that even though Patterson said she was 168 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: suffering diarrhea on the Sunday after the lunch, she didn't 169 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: present at hospital until Monday morning after taking her kids 170 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: to the school bus, and then Roger says she didn't 171 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: tell the doctors and nurses what she now says, which 172 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: is that she'd taken emodium medication on her first visit 173 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: to hospital. On the Monday morning, Patterson left, promising to return, 174 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: even as a doctor called her three times, then called 175 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: Triple O to express his concern. 176 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: There is only one logical or reasonable explanation for why 177 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 2: the accused left hospital, and after being told she might 178 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: have consumed a lethal toxin from death cap mushrooms, she 179 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: realized that what she had done was going to be uncovered. 180 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: She fled back to her house to try and work 181 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: out how she was going to manage the situation and 182 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: how she might explain why she wasn't sick like the 183 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: lunch guests. She knew very well that she had not 184 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: eaten death cap mushrooms. 185 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: Rogers said leaving the hospital against medical advice was incriminating conduct. 186 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: When she did return to the hospital, Rogers says Patterson 187 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: was resistant to medications the nurses wanted to give her. 188 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: Her reluctance to receive medical treatment is inexplicable unless she 189 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: knew she had not eaten what her lunch guests had done. 190 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: This resistance to receiving medical treatment is another example of 191 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: what we say is incriminating conduct. 192 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: On August three, when her lunch guests were critically ill 193 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: in hospital, Aaron Patterson drove to the kunwaraor transfer station, 194 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: the local tip and dumped her dehydrator. 195 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 2: She wanted to hide the evidence. This is another example 196 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: of incriminating conduct. The defense may argue that this was 197 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: part of a wild panic. The accused did this because 198 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: she was worried she would be falsely accused of deliberately 199 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 2: poisoning her lunch guests. You should completely reject that position. 200 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: In the witness box, Patterson said that in the hospital, 201 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: Simon Patterson had asked her if she'd use the dehydrator 202 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: to poison his parents, and that statement upset and worried her. 203 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: Her story about Simon accusing her in the hospital of 204 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: using the dehydrator and this sending her into a panic 205 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: is nonsense. Simon Patterson categorically denied to you ever saying 206 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: such a thing to the accused. She knew it would 207 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: incriminate her. She knew that she had dehydrated deathcap mushrooms 208 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: in that appliance, and that she had deliberately done so, 209 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: and she knew that keeping it was going to be 210 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: far too risky. 211 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: Police were onto this almost immediately because they were analyzing 212 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: her bank records, but when they interviewed Patterson on August five, 213 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: she said she didn't own a dehydrator. Rogers said during 214 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: the police search of her home on August five, Patterson 215 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: deliberately concealed her primary phone, phone A, and handed them 216 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: another device, Phone B. 217 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: We say is a dummy phone set up deliberately by 218 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: the accused to trick the police and to conceal the 219 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: existence and most importantly, the contents of her usual mobile phone. 220 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: When police took phone b away after the search warrant 221 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: and tried to analyze it, they found nothing. Why, Because 222 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: this phone was factory resent multiple times after the lunch, 223 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: its contents were wiped. 224 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: Rogers said, despite Patterson's claim to be a keen recreational 225 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: mushroom forager, she was the only one who remembered any 226 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: behavior like this, not her husband, her kids, or any 227 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: of her online friends. 228 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: The suggestion now that these mushrooms may have been accidentally foraged, 229 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: we suggest, is a very late change to the accused story. 230 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: You might think that at some point it dawned on 231 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: her that the Asian grocery story didn't add up, particularly 232 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: when faced with the evidence about the remnants of the 233 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: death cat mushrooms having been found in her dehydrator, she 234 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: had to come up with something new. 235 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: Roger said. The breakdown of Erin and Simon Patterson's marriage 236 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: and the fact Patterson had dragged Donngale Patterson into a 237 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 1: disagreement about money was significant. 238 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: The evidence shows you might think that the divide between 239 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: the accused and her in laws was deeper than they 240 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: ever knew. We say that the accused was leading a 241 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,359 Speaker 2: duplicitous life. When it came to the Pattersons, she presented 242 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: one side while expressing contrary beliefs to others. When Don 243 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: and Gale sent the accused messages about her ongoing financial 244 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: issues with Simon and meant and praying, she replied with 245 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: an eye roll emoji. She was mocking them and their 246 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: religious beliefs despite attending church with them. If she did 247 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: love them as she claimed, one would expect her to 248 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: inquire after their welfare immediately in those circumstances. But what 249 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: did she do? When Simon told her that Don and 250 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: Gale were in hospital, she immediately went on to talk 251 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: about her own symptoms, never asked a question about Don 252 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: and Gale. 253 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: Rogers ended with an appeal to the jury's life experience. 254 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: Think about what you would do in this situation. If 255 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: this was really just a horrible accident. If you were 256 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: told that the meal you'd cooked and served to your 257 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,359 Speaker 2: family was thought to have possibly contained death cat mushrooms, 258 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: what would you do. Would you go into self preservation mode, 259 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: just worrying about protecting yourself from blame. Would you race 260 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: away from the hospital and do who knows what for 261 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: an hour and a half. Would you be reluctant to 262 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: receive treatment, Would you take two and a half hours 263 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: to eventually agree to get your kids to hospital? Would 264 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: you lie about the source of the ingredients to medical 265 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: practitioners and the Health Department of officials for days, even 266 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: though the truth might help those you claim to love. No, 267 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: that's not what you would do. You would do everything 268 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: you could to help the people you love. You would 269 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: tell the treating medical practitioners every scheric of information that 270 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: might help to identify the cause of the illness, so 271 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: that they could get the right treatment to your loved ones, 272 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: regardless of any risk of blame that might fall on you. 273 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: If your children had come within cooy of the same meal, 274 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: you would move mountains to get them to hospital as 275 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: quickly as possible. And if you yourself had truly consumed 276 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: the same meal, you would gladly receive all of the 277 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: medical treatment you could get your hands on. Aaron Patterson 278 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: acted the way she did because she knew what she 279 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,119 Speaker 2: had done. 280 00:15:44,920 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: Coming up. Aaron Patterson's lawyer has he say. 281 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 4: Use your heads, not your hearts. 282 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: On Tuesday, Erin Patterson's barrister, Colin Mandarc got his chance 283 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: to set out in detail exactly why he says Patterson 284 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: didn't mean to poison for elderly relatives and why she 285 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: should be acquitted. 286 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: You have to consider the issues rationally and logically, without emotion, 287 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 4: without prejudice towards anyone, without sympathy towards anyone, and you 288 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 4: have to assess the evidence dispassionately with your common sense. 289 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: The barrister acknowledged the deaths of Don Gale and Heather 290 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: Wilkinson and the suffering of Ian Wilkinson was a terrible tragedy. 291 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: He said he understood that the family members who'd attended 292 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: court over the course of the trial were still mourning 293 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: their loss. 294 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 4: These were good, innocent people, and whoever caused their deaths 295 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 4: must be held to account. That instinctive design to punish 296 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 4: the person responsible, to seek retribution, to think that they 297 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 4: must pay for what they've done, but a jury has 298 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 4: to fiercely guard against that kind of reason. 299 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: Mandy reiterated the burden of proof rested with the crown, 300 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: not the defense. Basically, Aaron Patterson doesn't have to prove anything. 301 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 4: Members of the jury, your consideration of the evidence in 302 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 4: this trial comes down to two simple issues. First, is 303 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 4: there a reasonable possibility that death cap mushrooms were put 304 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: into this meal by accident. Second, is it a reasonable 305 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 4: possibility Aaron Patterson did not intend to kill or cause 306 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 4: serious injury to her guests. And in the end, after 307 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 4: you've considered all of the evidence, if either of those 308 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 4: is a reasonable possibility on all of the evidence, then 309 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 4: you'd find her not guilty. 310 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: Mandy said. Patterson's accounts of when she became unwell and 311 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: where she purchased them ushrooms were mostly consistent. 312 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: She was giving the same account over and over again, 313 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 4: but to lots of different people in many different contexts, 314 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: and in the end, when you analyze the evidence carefully, 315 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 4: there's very little meaningful variation in the accounts that she gave. 316 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: He also pointed to the fallibility of memory. 317 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 4: People have imperfect and honestly mistaken memories. You may recall 318 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 4: playing games like the telephone game, where messages are whispered 319 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 4: from one person to another all the way along, and 320 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 4: then you compare the message that was relayed at the 321 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 4: beginning to the one that came out at the end. 322 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 4: It's completely completely different. 323 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: Colin Mandy acknowledged that the Crown doesn't have to prove 324 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: a motive, but he said without one, they can't get 325 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: to murder. 326 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 4: Without a motive, You're left guessing about the most important 327 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 4: element of the offense in this trial, and that's intention. 328 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 1: He said. Pattison didn't have any reason to harm or 329 00:18:58,840 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: murder her in laws. 330 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 4: They loved her. She loved them. That's relevant. Don and 331 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 4: Gale had never been anything but kind and understanding to 332 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 4: Aaron Patterson. There was absolutely no reason at all for 333 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: her to hurt them in any way at all. Not 334 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 4: only is there no motive, there are very good reasons 335 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 4: not to harm these people. And if you do embark 336 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 4: on this plan to harm them in this way, inevitably, 337 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 4: whatever happens, you will lose the only people in the 338 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: world who were any support to you and your children. 339 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 4: You will lose your children, and you'll lose everything that's 340 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 4: important to you. 341 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: Mandy said she didn't dump the dehydrated because she was guilty, 342 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: rather because she was rattled. 343 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 4: If you're planning a murder, what's the one thing you 344 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 4: really should plan to dispose of. That's the murder weapon. 345 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 4: She would have disposed of it months before and never 346 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 4: told anyone she had one. She drives to the tip 347 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 4: in her own car, pays for the disposal of the 348 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 4: dehydrator with her own bank card, doesn't attempt to disguise 349 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 4: those actions in anyone. It can only have been panic, 350 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 4: not because she was guilty, but because that's what people 351 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 4: might think. It was a deep shock to her how 352 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: these four people became so seriously unwell. It was a 353 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 4: deep shock because she never intended for it to happen. 354 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 4: And if that's a reasonable possibility, then she must be 355 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 4: found not guilty, Mandy said. 356 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: When police asked if she had any leftovers from the meal, 357 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: she gave them her gate access code and said they 358 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: were probably in her bin. 359 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 4: A guilty person, you would think would have already thrown 360 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 4: them out. You might think get rid of them, put 361 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 4: them in a neighbor's bin or a public bin, bury 362 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 4: them in the backyard, or do something else. There'd been 363 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 4: two days to do all of that, instead of directing 364 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 4: the police where to find the evidence that there were 365 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 4: death cat mushrooms in the meal. So the prosecution theories, 366 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 4: we say, make no sense. The alternative is far more 367 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 4: sensible and logical. She didn't know they were poisoned. She 368 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 4: fed the children of the meat with the mushrooms scraped 369 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 4: off she threw the leftovers in the bin. She told 370 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 4: the police where to find them because she didn't know 371 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 4: they had poison in them. It's straightforward, it's not convoluted, 372 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 4: it's non elaborate, it's not tortured. An innocent person would 373 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 4: say go grab them, help yourselves. That's what she did say. 374 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: Colin Mandy sc will resume his closing submissions on Wednesday. 375 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: For all the latest from the Victorian Supreme Court in Morewell, 376 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: and for all the nation's best news, sport, politics and business, 377 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: visit the Australian dot com dot au