Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Hello, it is the end of your hump day. We're
Speaker 2: on our way towards a weekend. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for watching, gheb you're happy to be around the country
Speaker 2: right now, all right now there, We've got a lot
Speaker 2: to get to tonight, including I'll tell you how. You
Speaker 2: know when you look around there's all these flash cars
Speaker 2: and flash homes and everyone looks like they're earning a
Speaker 2: trivium bucks, but we know they're not. What that has
Speaker 2: to do with Australian politics, I'll explain there is a point.
Speaker 1: And yeah there's some data. We'll get to that in
Speaker 1: a second. What about the new book that well tells us.
Speaker 2: What we knew what seventy days into the presidency of
Speaker 2: Joe Biden that he was quite up to it. Remember
Speaker 2: that is the first seventy days. We're on it for
Speaker 2: four years. We copped it for four years while the
Speaker 2: people who were sneering in our telling the truth. I've
Speaker 2: got the receipts about some of the lies they told
Speaker 2: in real time heavy hit us night tonight. We've got
Speaker 2: none other than Stephen Conroy, Bromin, Bishop both here plenty
Speaker 2: to fire up about or it's always in good spirits,
Speaker 2: but certainly two people that have seen it all and
Speaker 2: Meghan Kelly.
Speaker 1: As always fires up and is exclusive to pull my
Speaker 1: real life.
Speaker 3: It's deprived. That's my opinion.
Speaker 4: This is aved disgusting individual about whom I wish to
Speaker 4: hear nothing, nothing after this trial is done.
Speaker 2: All right now tonight I want to talk about something
Speaker 2: that may fuel some people to suggest conspiracy theory. But
Speaker 2: may I say, right at the start of this conversation,
Speaker 2: I want you to pay attention to every little detail
Speaker 2: that I'm going to say. Don't pay attention to the headlines,
Speaker 2: or don't be half listening, because as we know, our
Speaker 2: system of democracy in part works because we have maximum
Speaker 2: faith in the process, maximum faith that how we vote
Speaker 2: will be reflected in how they count the vote, and
Speaker 2: the honesty of the process to around and gives us
Speaker 2: the idea of whom the winner or the loser is
Speaker 2: or in.
Speaker 1: Zoe Daniel's case, awkward.
Speaker 2: Now, the organization that has run Australian elections is the
Speaker 2: Australian Electoral Commission. Now, like all government departments, it is
Speaker 2: a government department, which means, yeah, okay, sometimes some things
Speaker 2: that we here see and they do you slightly roll
Speaker 2: your eyes at But the absolute central function of our
Speaker 2: process of how we elect people is guarded by that organization,
Speaker 2: and I have maximum faith in that organization. No butt's coming.
Speaker 2: The story I want to talk about tonight has a
Speaker 2: very important bit of detail in it now. As you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes when you're accused of doing something that disrupts a
Speaker 2: process in a court, it is dealt with almost as
Speaker 2: seriously as some of the crimes that come before it,
Speaker 2: like contempt or define the judge, or these sorts of things, right,
Speaker 2: really serious, really serious, not to break a suppression order.
Speaker 2: And that's because you need to have faith in the system.
Speaker 2: And a little story has come out today that I
Speaker 2: think we should have known about way earlier than today.
Speaker 2: It involves how votes were being transported between counting centers
Speaker 2: and another accounting center in the seat of Barton. This
Speaker 2: is the seat of Barton in Sydney. It's one the
Speaker 2: Labor Party has held for a while, is going to
Speaker 2: hold for a very long time. There is no doubt
Speaker 2: about which way this thing is going to go. But
Speaker 2: this morning we woke to a story, a story of
Speaker 2: missing ballot from the seat of Barton. The Electoral Commission's
Speaker 2: ballot transport process is under scrutiny tonight after a bungle
Speaker 2: at Hurstville in our South, an.
Speaker 3: Official took home almost two thousand votes. The ballots for
Speaker 3: the Sydney seat of Button have been recovered.
Speaker 5: Investigation has been launched into how nearly two thousand ballots
Speaker 5: from a polling place in Sydney's South ended up at
Speaker 5: the home of a worker responsible for transporting them.
Speaker 2: Huh well, this story was not announced by the AEC. Instead,
Speaker 2: it was an exclusive story this morning by the ABC's
Speaker 2: investigations unit. Let me read from the text of their website.
Speaker 2: When all of this was first reported this morning. About
Speaker 2: two thousand ballots went missing on election night and were
Speaker 2: later recovered from the Sydney home of a temporary Australian
Speaker 2: Electoral Commission worker, the ABC can reveal. While the AEC
Speaker 2: he said the incident did not affect the result in
Speaker 2: the seat of Baden because the votes had already been counted,
Speaker 2: it has not explained how the ballots ended up in
Speaker 2: the worker's home and has launched an investigation. Officials at
Speaker 2: the AEC only noticed that the container was missing when
Speaker 2: they began the routine recount of votes last week. The
Speaker 2: AEC was not able to provide details about where in
Speaker 2: the worker's home the container was found. A quote given
Speaker 2: to the ABC by the AEC says, quote the only
Speaker 2: specific detail I have regarding the collection is that it
Speaker 2: was obtained during a conversation outside the staff member's house
Speaker 2: following identification of the custody of the container. Again, I
Speaker 2: want you to pay a time tension to every single
Speaker 2: word in this I do not want anyone to take
Speaker 2: the video and deliberately re edit it or use it
Speaker 2: for purposes that are about undermining confidence in the system.
Speaker 2: The reason I am talking about this tonight is not
Speaker 2: because it affected the election, but because the AEC did
Speaker 2: not tell anyone publicly that this had actually happened. In fact,
Speaker 2: it was only after the reporting of the ABC this
Speaker 2: morning that they released a more detailed insight into what
Speaker 2: took place here. This is directly from the Australian Electoral Commission.
Speaker 2: The AEC exhausted numerous avenues of inquiry ascertaining that the
Speaker 2: authorized transport officer inadvertently maintained possession of the single missing container.
Speaker 2: It was recovered from the transport offer fully intact with
Speaker 2: all uniquely coded security seals unbroken and without any damage.
Speaker 2: All ballot papers were still in the recovered ballot paper
Speaker 2: transport container and were promptly returned to the counting center
Speaker 2: and have undergone fresh scrutiny. The fresh scrutiny count matched
Speaker 2: the initial count in the electoral division of Barden, and
Speaker 2: it was unaffected by this incident. That's really important, Okay,
Speaker 2: none of this changed the result. While respecting the privacy
Speaker 2: of the individual concern, the AEC did experience a number
Speaker 2: of challenges in communicating with this person as we explored
Speaker 2: all possible avenues of inquiry.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: We're of the view that, with evidence available to us
Speaker 2: at this time that the transport officer inadvertently overlooked the
Speaker 2: return of the transport contailer and was indifferent to the
Speaker 2: implications and our serious concerns, this does not appear to
Speaker 2: be a deliberate act. So good news. A box of
Speaker 2: votes that had been counted went missing. The box was
Speaker 2: not tampered with, Nobody fiddled with anything, nobody broke anything.
Speaker 2: There is no threat to the process. My point tonight, though,
Speaker 2: is that to make sure that we have maximum faith
Speaker 2: in the electoral process. When something like this happens, the
Speaker 2: AEC needs to make it publicly known.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know why they didn't. I don't know how
Speaker 2: the abc knew something that the AEC didn't know. According
Speaker 2: to all of the information available to us right now,
Speaker 2: the person involved, it seems forgot to drop it off.
Speaker 2: But there wasn't the only box that had to be
Speaker 2: dropped off. There were multiple boxes House and Senate vote.
Speaker 2: So for some reason one didn't get taken.
Speaker 1: Off the truck.
Speaker 2: So if you were in charge of the truck, why
Speaker 2: would you not notice that you didn't have one or
Speaker 2: that you had one left over, because presumably there's nothing
Speaker 2: else in the truck? Right Also, can I suggest just
Speaker 2: again why this.
Speaker 1: Matters to me?
Speaker 2: It's because every election I'll get an email from someone saying, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't forget vote with your pen, don't trust the system.
Speaker 2: I don't want to stop the steel garbage to come
Speaker 2: into Australia. I don't want to stole an election crap
Speaker 2: to come into Australia. Okay, I don't understand how those
Speaker 2: plastic boxes where you end up shoving in your vote
Speaker 2: don't have something that you and I could buy tomorrow
Speaker 2: to keep track of our luggage if we go on
Speaker 2: the bus, the train or a plane and have to
Speaker 2: be AirPods. It's not an ad for Apple, but there
Speaker 2: are tracking devices that you can put in your kids' school.
Speaker 1: Bag to know where they are.
Speaker 2: Why is something like that not attached to every single
Speaker 2: voting box in Australia.
Speaker 1: I hope that it will be.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll say there'll be some cost connected to it.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to panic a single person about the
Speaker 2: Australian electoral system.
Speaker 1: What I am trying to say.
Speaker 2: Is that because it is such a sacred thing that
Speaker 2: you trust that you vote, that they count and the
Speaker 2: right person gets elected based off those votes, that any
Speaker 2: threat to that process at all from misinformation as they
Speaker 2: like to say, all the way through to something like this,
Speaker 2: the AAEC needs to tell us first, not wait for
Speaker 2: it to be exposed by a media organization. And it's
Speaker 2: not the first time that there have been incidents, small incidents,
Speaker 2: not incidents that have changed elections, but they are really
Speaker 2: important that we talk about them. Twenty thirteen Western Australia
Speaker 2: there actually was an amount of ballots that went missing.
Speaker 2: Former AFP Commissioner Mick Keilty was the one who had
Speaker 2: to go and have a look at this and he concluded,
Speaker 2: among other things, that some lacks security processes were part
Speaker 2: of why a bunch of ballots went missing. This was
Speaker 2: such a problem that everyone in Western Australia had to
Speaker 2: vote again after the twenty thirteen election to confirm what
Speaker 2: the Senate vote actually was. In twenty sixteen, in the
Speaker 2: seat of Herbert, which is up around Townsville, that was
Speaker 2: a scenario where the Labor Party was able to claim
Speaker 2: that seat from the Liberal Party by just thirty five votes.
Speaker 2: But as the Townsville Bulletin reported in the weeks after
Speaker 2: the election, training Federal Police had to be called in
Speaker 2: because there was an issue an allegation.
Speaker 1: Of multiple votes i e.
Speaker 2: More votes than the number of people who were actually
Speaker 2: on the electoral roll. Reading from this story, a joint
Speaker 2: committee well pribe voting irregularities in the seat of Herbert
Speaker 2: after the Australian Federal Police was called to investigate forty
Speaker 2: two cases of potential double voting. Remember the margin in
Speaker 2: that seat was just thirty seven votes, but there were
Speaker 2: forty two potential cases.
Speaker 1: Labours cath O'Toole.
Speaker 2: Beat the LNP incumbent, the late Ewan Jones, by just
Speaker 2: thirty seven votes, and of course the Turnbull government we
Speaker 2: all remember was only barely re elected with a majority.
Speaker 1: There was stories that followed this.
Speaker 2: And followed what the investigation was, and I'm pleased to
Speaker 2: say that, according to again the reporting of the ABC,
Speaker 2: the AEC said those figures were incorrect. There were only
Speaker 2: forty two cases upon possible multiple voting that were referred
Speaker 2: to the Federal Police in that seat in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: Thirty three of the forty two were attributed to a
Speaker 2: polling place error, so thankfully the number was not indicative
Speaker 2: to what the result of the election was. Is this
Speaker 2: story going to be on the front page of tomorrow's paper. No?
Speaker 1: Did it lead the six PM news tonight? No?
Speaker 2: But is it an example about every single dotted, I
Speaker 2: cross T that you must have in place for a system,
Speaker 2: because there are people who are desperate, desperate to try
Speaker 2: to turn any small crack in our system into proof
Speaker 2: of something that does not exist, which is an electoral
Speaker 2: system you can't trust.
Speaker 1: So to all of the people who work for.
Speaker 2: The AEC, I appreciate the task that is in front
Speaker 2: of them, each and every election. I appreciate that we
Speaker 2: are able to know within just a couple of hours,
Speaker 2: regardless of whether it is a big result or a
Speaker 2: tight result, what is happening in our country on the
Speaker 2: very night of an election. I appreciate that they picked
Speaker 2: up their game and they kept counting in some of
Speaker 2: the tight seats on the Sunday, so the country wasn't
Speaker 2: forced to be waiting until the Monday. But someone somewhere
Speaker 2: is going to have to explain and we will report
Speaker 2: on it here.
Speaker 1: What happened here?
Speaker 2: Why was this known by the ABC so much so
Speaker 2: that it was the one who made it public, not
Speaker 2: the AEC who should have made it public, because again,
Speaker 2: no cracks in the system, because there are bad actors
Speaker 2: who want to exploit it. Now let's talk to Ebus Elbow.
Speaker 2: He is yet again up and in the air. I
Speaker 2: think he's in Indonesia. The American President landing in Doha
Speaker 2: in Qatar as we speak. Whether he leaves with the
Speaker 2: free plane or not, we'll get to that a bit later.
Speaker 2: But we know that one of the most important parts
Speaker 2: of the coalition that the Labour Party put together in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two and in twenty twenty five were seats
Speaker 2: that had high Chinese voter populations. Now these were groups
Speaker 2: who had voted for the Coalition in twenty nineteen, sixteen,
Speaker 2: thirteen and ten. This didn't spring up overnight, but we
Speaker 2: know they moved hard against the then Morrison government and
Speaker 2: hard again about going back to the Liberal Party at
Speaker 2: this election. So the Prime Minister knows that the power
Speaker 2: of the Chinese diaspora in Australia is determined in multiple
Speaker 2: seats that if any time, end of the future things
Speaker 2: got close, they really matter. And can I say very
Speaker 2: clearly there is a difference between the Chinese government, the
Speaker 2: citizens of China and anyone in Australia who has connections
Speaker 2: back to Chinese heritage.
Speaker 1: What's interesting though, is.
Speaker 2: That very clearly on mats a collection of people who
Speaker 2: voted again for the Liberal Party in sixteen, nineteen, sixteen
Speaker 2: and ten in terms of recent history and thirteen as
Speaker 2: well well, they made a big change.
Speaker 1: Why did they make.
Speaker 2: A big change, because, of course the Chinese government punished
Speaker 2: Australia for then Australian government standing up to China when
Speaker 2: it came to its responses and responsibility for the outbreak
Speaker 2: of COVID nineteen. We know about the trade sanctions that
Speaker 2: were aimed at punishing Australia for trying to demand greater
Speaker 2: responsibility out of China. Of course, with the change of
Speaker 2: government was a change of attitude, and the Prime Minister well,
Speaker 2: he of course has been rewarded as being a handsome
Speaker 2: boy by Chinese officials. He has set about trying to
Speaker 2: make the most of a new and reset relationship, one
Speaker 2: that has been seemingly.
Speaker 1: Rewarded by voters all over.
Speaker 2: The country since the election was so definitive a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago. But of course the Chinese government, which
Speaker 2: is different than the Chinese people, which is different than
Speaker 2: the people of Chinese descent who live in Australia, is
Speaker 2: not your average bear when it comes to a government.
Speaker 2: We know that this is a regime that has put
Speaker 2: a million people into slave labor camps because they believe
Speaker 2: in a faith that the government does not approve of,
Speaker 2: that being the wigas. We know that one of the
Speaker 2: very reasons why we turn to countries like the United
Speaker 2: States and have to buy three hundred billion dollars with
Speaker 2: the submarines is because of the potential military threat of China.
Speaker 2: It's not about guarding ourselves against New Zealand, Papua New
Speaker 2: Guinea or Indonesia. So we should note with caution how
Speaker 2: the Chinese President has reacted to our election. The President
Speaker 2: z has congratulated Anthony Abernesi and says that Australia and
Speaker 2: China should work together to promote world peace. President Zi
Speaker 2: Jingping has congratulated Anthony Arbernesi on his re election, saying
Speaker 2: that he wants to work with the Australian Prime Minister
Speaker 2: to strengthen their relationship and promote world peace and stability.
Speaker 2: In a written message delivered on Tuesday as the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister was sworn in by the Governor General, the Chinese
Speaker 2: leader said that he had engaged in depth discussions on strategic,
Speaker 2: comprehensive and directional issues in all three of his meetings
Speaker 2: with our Prime minister. These discussions led to important consensus
Speaker 2: that have provided strategic guidance to improve and grow bilateral ties.
Speaker 2: Strengthening cooperation between China and Australia is one of the
Speaker 2: g is of great significance for achieving shared development and
Speaker 2: promoting world peace and stability. The President's comments will also
Speaker 2: run on the front page of the People's Daily, which
Speaker 2: is the Communist Party's leading newspaper, and you see Antony Albanezi.
Speaker 2: To keep the arrangement nice and happy, where plenty of
Speaker 2: people get rich off the trade, where no messages are
Speaker 2: sent via the social media apps that some people like
Speaker 2: to use in this country, that would be anything but
Speaker 2: supportive of the Australian government. There is simply one thing
Speaker 2: Australia has to do, and that is to never stand
Speaker 2: in the way of China. We don't have to take
Speaker 2: them on, just promise to never push back.
Speaker 1: Or as they did in the disco era one for
Speaker 1: the old school.
Speaker 2: Now let's talk about our economy because there is eight link,
Speaker 2: as I said before, between people driving around flash cars
Speaker 2: and beautiful big homes and Australian politics that mix one Jim.
Speaker 1: Chalmers, of course, Treasurer of Australia.
Speaker 2: He is the one who well, he used to make
Speaker 2: such an issue about trillion dollars in debt, didn't he.
Speaker 6: Trillion dollars of debt, trillion dollars in dobt of trillion
Speaker 6: dollars in debt, trillion dollars of debt.
Speaker 2: But the reality is that trillion dollars will be racked
Speaker 2: up by Jim charmers and the Labor Party.
Speaker 1: In fact, it'll end up.
Speaker 2: Going up to one point two trillion dollars when you
Speaker 2: have a look at the predictions that are there in
Speaker 2: the federal budget. It is one trillion, O should say,
Speaker 2: not billion, one trillion dollars. I think we've got it
Speaker 2: wrong in all the graphics because I wrote billion is
Speaker 2: a trillion in the notes. I apologize. It is one
Speaker 2: trillion dollars in twenty five twenty six. It is one
Speaker 2: trillion dollars in twenty six twenty seven, is one point
Speaker 2: one trillion dollars in twenty seven twenty eight, and is
Speaker 2: one point two trillion dollars in twenty eight twenty nine.
Speaker 2: As I've shown you before, that is tens of thousands
Speaker 2: of dollars for each in every Australian. It is an
Speaker 2: even higher number when you start to look at the
Speaker 2: people who are currently under the age of fifty. It's
Speaker 2: an even higher number when you start to look at
Speaker 2: people who are under the age of thirty. And always
Speaker 2: there is a political discussion and there is an assumption
Speaker 2: that racking up debt is a bad thing that a
Speaker 2: government should not do, and they will be punished by
Speaker 2: the voters and they should be. Core belief of mine
Speaker 2: is that when the debt is going to get too high,
Speaker 2: at some point, you are ending up spending more money
Speaker 2: servicing debt than you are on.
Speaker 1: Running the government.
Speaker 2: And we know that some of the interest payments on
Speaker 2: all of this is going to be the best part of.
Speaker 1: Tens of billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: In fact, it's going to be in the top ten
Speaker 2: of all of the things the federal government does for
Speaker 2: the next ten years is going to be paying off debt.
Speaker 2: But one of the reasons why the debt and deficit
Speaker 2: message did not move the needle at all at this
Speaker 2: federal election and may while not at the next or
Speaker 2: the next, or the next or the next as the
Speaker 2: debt grows, is in part how we live our lives.
Speaker 2: The reality is that there are a huge amount of Australians,
Speaker 2: myself included, who need to borrow money to buy a house.
Speaker 2: But on top of that, there is many Australians who
Speaker 2: borrow money to buy a car, borrow money to buy
Speaker 2: a jet ski, borrow money to go overseas, borrow money
Speaker 2: for things that aren't necessarily the have to haves, they're
Speaker 2: the want to haves. And we see today that there
Speaker 2: is a interesting piece of information which comes out of
Speaker 2: the Australian Bureau of Statistics that shows us about personal finance.
Speaker 2: In fact, in terms of the new home loans that
Speaker 2: have been written in the March quarter, have a look
Speaker 2: at the value of those loans compared to just ten
Speaker 2: years ago. So people taking out loans in the March
Speaker 2: quarter ten years ago, total value fifty eight billion dollars.
Speaker 2: Ten years later, total value of those loans eighty six
Speaker 2: billion dollars. We are borrowing more money to pay for
Speaker 2: nicer things when it comes to personal debt ten years
Speaker 2: ago in the March quarter, loans in the first three
Speaker 2: months of twenty fifteen five point seven billion dollars now
Speaker 2: eight point four billion dollars. In fact, if you have
Speaker 2: a look at this chart, this is the one that
Speaker 2: will frighten. Yes, the biggest debt that most Australian households
Speaker 2: have is trying to pay off the house.
Speaker 1: But if you have a look here where the household
Speaker 1: debt the household debt.
Speaker 2: Here is a scenario where you're going to need almost
Speaker 2: two hundred percent two hundred percent of your annual income,
Speaker 2: which is there when it comes to servicing that debt.
Speaker 1: Now forget me.
Speaker 2: I'll pick this point up in a moment, but we'll
Speaker 2: go to the wide screen here for Donald Trump arriving
Speaker 2: in Doha in Qatar as part of his Middle Eastern trip.
Speaker 2: Of course, when he was welcome to Saudi Arabia, it
Speaker 2: was a far more elaborate affair. We won't get much
Speaker 2: stand out of this because for obvious reasons, there are
Speaker 2: no microphones in and around this scenario. Parades will be
Speaker 2: held a little bit later in the day. Qatar is
Speaker 2: a really important story because, of course, Qatar is the
Speaker 2: place where the leaders of Hamas have been hiding for
Speaker 2: multiple years, living a life of luxury, while the people
Speaker 2: they purport to care about, of course, are living the
Speaker 2: life that they currently are. Qatar is also the place
Speaker 2: that I was deeply critical of and I stand by
Speaker 2: every word of it in the lead up to the
Speaker 2: last Soccer World Cup because it was the place where
Speaker 2: four thousand people had died because the conditions of workers
Speaker 2: coming from countries like Nepal.
Speaker 1: But Qatar is a big world player.
Speaker 2: It's one that owns an airline offering one of its
Speaker 2: airlines planes. We'll take a note he's not going to speak,
Speaker 2: and we won't hear much more. But of course the
Speaker 2: president taking the photos, he will be giving remarks a
Speaker 2: little bit later. But the beast, and remember there are
Speaker 2: two of them, has been moving from Middle Eastern country
Speaker 2: to Middle Eastern country. This trip will not involve going
Speaker 2: to Israel. Instead, Qatar is an important visit because not
Speaker 2: just the amount of trade that could be done with
Speaker 2: the rest of the world, but because, as i say,
Speaker 2: their position when it comes to protecting the leaders of Hamas,
Speaker 2: the ability of the Qatari government to put pressure on
Speaker 2: Hamas may well be part of the conversations that will
Speaker 2: be taking place with the President of the United States
Speaker 2: as he is in Qatar as we speak. I'll make
Speaker 2: my point about debt maybe at another time, but it's
Speaker 2: still worth knowing that perhaps one of the reasons why
Speaker 2: the Australian public didn't care about the national debt is
Speaker 2: because we've got an awfully huge amount of debt when
Speaker 2: it comes to our personal lives. Now, whether that means
Speaker 2: that's a problem for our finances where slowly but surely
Speaker 2: in countries like Greece, where of course their economy completely collapsed,
Speaker 2: but the people were comfortable until it collapsed could be
Speaker 2: a sign of things to come, and it may well
Speaker 2: be generations from now. But if we're in a position
Speaker 2: and an opportunity today, say future generations, from having to
Speaker 2: pay off that debt, that will.
Speaker 1: Be a good idea.
Speaker 2: It would also be a good idea if all of
Speaker 2: us pull back a little bit. And no, I don't
Speaker 2: just mean in terms of what we can afford. But
Speaker 2: one of the great joys of technologies we currently have
Speaker 2: it and access to credit as we have had it
Speaker 2: for the past few years, is that there's no delayed gratification.
Speaker 2: It's everything yesterday, and there are plenty of companies that
Speaker 2: are around that will help facilitate every little one of
Speaker 2: your impulses. But the problem is when you don't have
Speaker 2: to wait and somebody will give it to you for free.
Speaker 2: We all know how that ends. It's the same for governments,
Speaker 2: but it's the same for us too. Quick break back
Speaker 2: with more some heavy hitters next, and then Meghan Kelly
Speaker 2: here on Palmary Life.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching. Thank you so much for watching.
Speaker 2: One of the joys of watching here is that you'll
Speaker 2: know what's happening on the other side of the world.
Speaker 2: What we talk about the most important country in the world,
Speaker 2: this one with two people who love it very much
Speaker 2: but come at it from very different angles, one slightly read,
Speaker 2: one slightly blue.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think they're about.
Speaker 2: As clear a color as they are in Stephen Conroy,
Speaker 2: who has always joys us from Melbourne in the man Cave,
Speaker 2: the carryover chant none other than the wonderful Bromwin Bishops.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about old mate Chris Bowen, who now
Speaker 2: is officially out of hiding and of course now gets to.
Speaker 1: Say mandate, mandate, mandates.
Speaker 2: He wrote an opinion piece in the Australian newspapers the
Speaker 2: Day where, among other points that he made, he basically says,
Speaker 2: looks he's love renewables now and all of this stuff
Speaker 2: that people blow up about where they.
Speaker 1: Are doesn't matter. Isn't true?
Speaker 2: Why because many of the locations where some of the
Speaker 2: more contestable projects are the Labour Party had a.
Speaker 1: Swing toward it. Is he right?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Why? I mean he's if he's pointing, if he's pointing
Speaker 1: to a scoreboard.
Speaker 7: Because it was never debated in the first place. He
Speaker 7: had a few demonstrations and the lead up to the
Speaker 7: to the election, but once we got into the campaign,
Speaker 7: there was nothing. There was no debate about what was
Speaker 7: the right policy for energy as the main subject. There
Speaker 7: was questions about the Labor Party running its line about
Speaker 7: six hundred billion dollars, which was just a lie, still
Speaker 7: as a lie, and he's still propagating the lie. So no,
Speaker 7: he's not right, not on any question.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Stephen again, interesting again, I mean, we can sit
Speaker 2: here and we all know everyone's views on this here.
Speaker 2: But his argument is the reason this is settled now.
Speaker 2: It's not just about the majority, but in the areas
Speaker 2: where if the if the argument is that, you know,
Speaker 2: the installation of this stuff is highly disruptive, and in
Speaker 2: the places where labor could have been punished, labor wasn't punished.
Speaker 2: Do you think that his point is correct? Or are
Speaker 2: you with Bromwin that it wasn't really a fight?
Speaker 6: Well, firstly, Roman, whose fault is it that it wasn't
Speaker 6: a fight? I mean, it's the opposition's job create a fight.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, but it didn't happen deinitly just didn't happen.
Speaker 6: But so Chris Barnes' core points, the answer is absolutely right.
Speaker 6: I mean, you don't need to just look at those
Speaker 6: individual electorates seventy percent of Australians have supported solar panels
Speaker 6: on roofs. This isn't a debate that it was are
Speaker 6: clinging to from twenty ten thro to twenty thirteen, and
Speaker 6: it's bedeviled them all the way through to twenty twenty
Speaker 6: two when they lost their core constituency seats to the
Speaker 6: Teals twenty two.
Speaker 1: Yes, we wanted every.
Speaker 7: Time until it's gone. Parson went and said we'd commit
Speaker 7: to net zero. He gave away the debating points. That's
Speaker 7: when the trouble started.
Speaker 2: But just for devil's advocate here, So please don't send
Speaker 2: the complaining mass just for the point of debate here,
Speaker 2: which is in places like the Hunter Valley, which again,
Speaker 2: can I stop hearing about how that's always on the table.
Speaker 2: I've heard that in multiple elections for however long now. Also,
Speaker 2: as there are some I was a young liberal. Yes,
Speaker 2: some some labor people say about some things too, all right,
Speaker 2: but I get it. I don't know. But the reality
Speaker 2: was is if there was a swing towards the government
Speaker 2: in the areas where presumably you know again I talk
Speaker 2: about this in places like Ballarat right where those osnet
Speaker 2: protests allowed. Obvious they'll shut down the streets. The treatment
Speaker 2: of the people is disgraceful. Yet Labor Party holds a
Speaker 2: seat in Victoria at the state level, Labor holds a
Speaker 2: seat federally.
Speaker 1: What am I missing here?
Speaker 2: Because I know where the National Party fights, they are
Speaker 2: able to hold on right, but you would assume that
Speaker 2: the X factor that would turn things on their head
Speaker 2: would at least be a reduction in some of the
Speaker 2: Labor Party seats where the damage is being done.
Speaker 1: Now, look the election.
Speaker 7: At the end of the day, the campaign was all
Speaker 7: about these dreadful coalition people or the Liberal Party is
Speaker 7: going to destroy Medicare and you're going to have to
Speaker 7: pay more for your healthcare. It was all based on
Speaker 7: a total and absolute lie. But it's not the first
Speaker 7: time they've done it, and it probably won't be the
Speaker 7: last time. I'll try, but there has to be the
Speaker 7: ability of the coalition to fight that back.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you guys about I don't know how
Speaker 2: much you heard, obviously, I know you were sitting there
Speaker 2: from the second the show started, taking notes on everything
Speaker 2: I have to say at the start of the show,
Speaker 2: But the conversation that I was having about the AEC
Speaker 2: and this box of ballots right again, did not affect
Speaker 2: the result? Work haunted before box wasn't all of that?
Speaker 2: I stand by all of it, right, We all have
Speaker 2: maximum confidence in the AEC. But of course humans are
Speaker 2: not infallible.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I went through for fifteen minutes what my case was,
Speaker 2: and already email email email. I'm just looking here at
Speaker 2: my computer about people saying I'm naive they slammed the
Speaker 2: process all the rest of it here? Can I ask
Speaker 2: you both just a thirty second version here?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: How important is it that when something happens like what happened,
Speaker 2: that the AEC has to say, we've got a problem here.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, it's not going to affect the count, but
Speaker 2: we have a problem here and you don't find out
Speaker 2: multiple days later? Or is it just process who cares
Speaker 2: no harm, no foul problem?
Speaker 7: Well I don't quite share your great OPTIMISMU See. Remember
Speaker 7: they had to hold the Senate election a second time
Speaker 7: West Australia. I've seen in sitting on the committee that
Speaker 7: overlooks the work of the AEC after an election, and
Speaker 7: I've seen multiple cases of multiple voting in different electorates.
Speaker 7: It's always brushed aside, not a big deal, not a
Speaker 7: big deal, but it is I think in need of
Speaker 7: a really good, thorough overhaul. There is no reason, for instance,
Speaker 7: why they can't have all of the roles linked up electronically.
Speaker 7: When it gets crossed off on one polling place, it
Speaker 7: goes off everywhere. Agree, but it doesn't happen, not because
Speaker 7: it can't be done because the will isn't there to
Speaker 7: do it.
Speaker 2: But even in a place about that multiple voting thing,
Speaker 2: where even in Herbert thirteen, again as I showed through
Speaker 2: the numbers, the margin the seat was thirty seven, the
Speaker 2: double vote was that the multiple vote was higher than that.
Speaker 2: It ended up that the clerical issues meant that the
Speaker 2: number that even was those accused of either essentially more
Speaker 2: ballots than there were people, was about twelve, which thus
Speaker 2: wasn't determinative in the outcome. I'm not saying this to
Speaker 2: my ass or to get involved in any sort of
Speaker 2: preemptive legal stuff. I'm just trying to be like, I'm
Speaker 2: happy to talk about reform of things, but confidence in
Speaker 2: I maintain that, you know, the strong confidence in, but
Speaker 2: not without some of those issues that do need to
Speaker 2: be discussed. But Stephen, what did you think about this?
Speaker 2: And again to that central core moment. Why did the
Speaker 2: ABC tell us about this not the AEC tell us
Speaker 2: about this?
Speaker 6: Firstly, Paul, congratulations for it just again highlighting the importance
Speaker 6: of the integrity of this process. It is I think
Speaker 6: something about Australians should be able to have one hundred
Speaker 6: percent confidence in so to this issue that you've highlighted tonight.
Speaker 6: The AEC should have come clean now I can accept it.
Speaker 6: May be it takes twenty four to forty eight hours
Speaker 6: and track down the missing box, et cetera, and they
Speaker 6: wouldn't necessarily want to publicize it in that period where
Speaker 6: they're chasing down in case evidence can be destroyed type thing.
Speaker 6: I give them a couple of days grace. But yes,
Speaker 6: you are absolutely right that the AEC should be the
Speaker 6: ones telling the Australian public about it. It's the only
Speaker 6: way to ensure that the confidence can be maintained at
Speaker 6: one hundred percent. But like brom into a couple of
Speaker 6: points of prominence, and you did go to this in
Speaker 6: your editorial, Paul, I've also sat in that same committee
Speaker 6: and examined afterwards, and I've sat through endless claims which
Speaker 6: we've just heard again from Vodment about double voting and
Speaker 6: all this sort of stuff, And as you correctly pointed out,
Speaker 6: by the time you finish clearing out the conspiracy, theoristy
Speaker 6: down to barely more than two handsful of where it's
Speaker 6: actually happened. And there's been the occasional case I think
Speaker 6: maybe there might have been a prosecution. But can you imagine, Paul,
Speaker 6: in today's world where idiots film themselves committing crimes, that
Speaker 6: everything is online, do you really think you could organize
Speaker 6: a conspiracy of hundreds of people wandering around electorates and
Speaker 6: nobody found out about it?
Speaker 7: People impossible if you go through the figures.
Speaker 6: To Bromwin's core points and their investigator, as they were
Speaker 6: under your committee, and they were under mind, and they've
Speaker 6: never been a determinative and most of the times it's
Speaker 6: down to an error by someone crossing off the wrong
Speaker 6: name on the actual role.
Speaker 1: But to your more.
Speaker 6: Important Bromen, which is suggested that there is an alternative
Speaker 6: process whereby you could link up the roles. Correct one
Speaker 6: of the reasons I've always opposed electronic voting.
Speaker 1: Post path.
Speaker 7: No, Stephen, I'm not saying electronic voting, I'm seeing thinking
Speaker 7: the rules.
Speaker 1: Let me finish, Let me finish my sentence.
Speaker 6: Let me finish my sentence. So I've always opposed electronic voting,
Speaker 6: I suspect for the same reason as Bromen. But my
Speaker 6: concern about linking them all up in crossing off the
Speaker 6: role is the same general concern the ability for it
Speaker 6: to be hacked, the ability to be for it to
Speaker 6: interfered with. I would have grave concerns of the ability
Speaker 6: to secure that process from outside interference. So I say,
Speaker 6: on the balance of what's right and wrong, I'll stick
Speaker 6: with the crossing off and putting up with some errors
Speaker 6: by the officials who are part time, and there's no
Speaker 6: malice involved in any of this. Then take the risk
Speaker 6: that outside interests could hack access the role and just
Speaker 6: starting crossing people off, because I tell you that would
Speaker 6: reduce the confidence in our balloting process. We are famous
Speaker 6: for the Australian process where we use pens and pieces
Speaker 6: of paper and we have people crossing off, so there's
Speaker 6: no capability for it to be interfered with.
Speaker 2: Well, and don't forget you know, literally the Parliament House
Speaker 2: email system had been hacked by foreign actors, the plans
Speaker 2: to the ASIO office had been But in terms of
Speaker 2: surely there is a secure technology. But basically I want
Speaker 2: to bounce a couple of other quick things.
Speaker 6: But if it's online, it's online, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Well I want to quickly bounce a couple of
Speaker 2: the Anyway, Andrew Hasty has come out and said, well, surprise, surprise,
Speaker 2: what I think one hundred and fifty people believe in
Speaker 2: the lah House, which is that one day they would
Speaker 2: like to.
Speaker 1: Lead, including I think even the one.
Speaker 2: Soul green left would like to be the leader of
Speaker 2: what they automatically are.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Here's what he told Cos Samaras on his podcast. I'd
Speaker 2: be foolish to say I don't have a desire to lead.
Speaker 1: I do have a desire to lead.
Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about biding your time here, Bromwin,
Speaker 2: I spoke post election right that basically, I think one
Speaker 2: of the things that I like is that the people
Speaker 2: who do have the plan to lead one days, they
Speaker 2: put their hand up. Okay, they put the hand up
Speaker 2: at every opportunity there is for them to be counted.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty chose not to do that just into price,
Speaker 2: of course, Withdrew from the deputy thing. What's your view
Speaker 2: as a person who at one point they thought very
Speaker 2: fondly of.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 2: Know, you might think your times five years later, but
Speaker 2: if the opportunities today, you put your hand up today, right,
Speaker 2: don't you correct?
Speaker 7: It's called a sliding door moment, and for hasty, I
Speaker 7: don't think it is a sliding door moment. I think
Speaker 7: he needs to have a portfolio that is outside defense.
Speaker 7: I think he needs to be tested more. I think
Speaker 7: there's time for him to do that. I always get
Speaker 7: a bit worried when people say that they're not going
Speaker 7: to do a particular job now because of the age
Speaker 7: of the children or whatever. Sorry you had to consider
Speaker 7: that before you came along. But I do think there's
Speaker 7: a need for him to be blooded a bit more.
Speaker 7: I suppose it's the term well.
Speaker 2: And again, so that's about being more front facing. But
Speaker 2: I liked that in a split second, right, you had
Speaker 2: this sort of Ted O'Brien moment, You had the Phil
Speaker 2: Thompson moment.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I need a literally less than thirty second answer, Stephen,
Speaker 2: about your free advice, left or right, labor or liberal.
Speaker 2: Do you abide your time or do you always bang
Speaker 2: on the door?
Speaker 6: You might buy your time be certainly don't publicly announce
Speaker 6: forty eight hours after your leaders to be elected you
Speaker 6: want to lead. That's just poor political judgment. And I
Speaker 6: think Andrew has is a great human being, a courageous
Speaker 6: human being, and I think he could be a future leader,
Speaker 6: but you just don't say.
Speaker 1: It just afterwards.
Speaker 6: I mean, the truth about the Liberal leadership is Susan
Speaker 6: Lay has already lost the numbers. There are two senators
Speaker 6: who voted for her, both leaving parliament, so that's two
Speaker 6: votes down. One of the new ones coming in is
Speaker 6: absolutely pro Angus, so that's already seeing this and Breadfield
Speaker 6: might not. Only that leaves one person and Breadfield might
Speaker 6: not happen, so there's one one vote just has to
Speaker 6: change and Susan Lay is gone. And let me tell you,
Speaker 6: in those circumstances, Bromwin's team is going to win this
Speaker 6: one and Angus Taylor will get up some stage during
Speaker 6: this three years.
Speaker 7: Stephen, I have said quite clearly Susan Lay as the
Speaker 7: deputy has been elected and she should be given a chance.
Speaker 7: And I think some of the terms that have come
Speaker 7: out attacking he today have just been stupid. So gives
Speaker 7: the woman a chance. She's been the deputy leader, she's
Speaker 7: been on the hustings, and she should be given the
Speaker 7: opportunity to show.
Speaker 2: Her worth an important voice and an important moment of support.
Speaker 2: Thank you Bromin, Thank you Steven Again. Next week we
Speaker 2: will see you. The wonderful Megan Kelly is next speaking
Speaker 2: your heavy hitters and plenty to talk with.
Speaker 1: These are your hind mate, How are you, buddy? More
Speaker 1: in a second, I see after the break.
Speaker 2: It's our favorite time of the week to talk to
Speaker 2: our favorite person in the world, the wonderful Meghan Kelly.
Speaker 1: She still has that intergalactic glow. Loving to see you, mate, Great.
Speaker 3: To be here. You always give me the nicest welcomes.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: One thing that I don't think any American has regret
Speaker 2: when it comes to the last election was having a
Speaker 2: president that is hardcore about illegal immigration. In the four
Speaker 2: years of Biden, what nine million people wandered into the
Speaker 2: country and the worst of those elements, the ones who
Speaker 2: have gone on to can make crimes, are the ones
Speaker 2: that they are trying to boot out right now.
Speaker 1: But no, the.
Speaker 2: Democrats, rather than learning this lesson out of siding to
Speaker 2: storm some of the detention centers where these people are
Speaker 2: being kept.
Speaker 4: Their priorities are so backward I've really stopped trying to
Speaker 4: figure them out, but they just constantly make the wrong decisions.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, you know, it's like you're a dad,
Speaker 3: I'm a mom. You raise your kids.
Speaker 4: You try to give them like an ethical framework from
Speaker 4: which they can make future decisions, because you won't be
Speaker 4: around to advise on every single one.
Speaker 3: Everything went wrong with these democrats.
Speaker 4: I don't know they I guess their parents had the
Speaker 4: wrong ethical framework too, because they make all the wrong decisions.
Speaker 3: Let's prioritize skin color.
Speaker 4: Let's really focus on genitalia and how it differentiates us
Speaker 4: or doesn't. Let's prioritize I don't know one's sexual preferences
Speaker 4: as the most important thing about them. And let's take
Speaker 4: hardened gang members, make them leftist poster boys, or any
Speaker 4: random illegal who's set for deportation, and not only add
Speaker 4: them to our list of poster boys, but get in
Speaker 4: physical confrontations and altercations with law enforcement, who, by the way,
Speaker 4: are running high right now in the opinion polls, like
Speaker 4: higher than they have in many years. America is ready
Speaker 4: for law enforcement to return in full. Now is really
Speaker 4: not the best time to pick a fistfight with an
Speaker 4: ice agent. But that's what these congress women and men did,
Speaker 4: and the mayor of Newark, because they think that's noble.
Speaker 4: And they also love to see their faces on television
Speaker 4: because literally no one is interested in them on a
Speaker 4: natural basis, like no one would be covering anyone in
Speaker 4: I did not know. I've never heard La Monica's name before,
Speaker 4: and I guarantee you I will never hear it again.
Speaker 4: But she's in the news for a day because she
Speaker 4: decided to It looks like assault a bunch of ice
Speaker 4: agents while throwing down over the illegals in a detention facility.
Speaker 3: Hope that works out for you.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the filth that's starting to come out
Speaker 2: in the early dies of the Diddy trial. This suppose
Speaker 2: he's pay did he? Surprise, surprise, He's a creepy surprise, surprise.
Speaker 2: He's done horrible things.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, we're all going to take a disgusting trip to
Speaker 4: his seedy.
Speaker 3: Awful world.
Speaker 4: You know. It's the man has no class, he has
Speaker 4: no kindness in his dark, dark heart, and he's depraved.
Speaker 3: That's my opinion.
Speaker 4: He's this is a depraved, disgusting individual about whom I
Speaker 4: wish to hear nothing nothing after this trial is done.
Speaker 4: The question is.
Speaker 3: He a criminal?
Speaker 4: You know, is he basically akin to a mob boss
Speaker 4: running several criminal enterprises. And while it's very clear to
Speaker 4: me he is a depraved, disgusting person, we have to
Speaker 4: prove that he violated the law. I actually think it's
Speaker 4: going to be pretty easy. But I can see what
Speaker 4: the defense is doing here, trying to say, all right,
Speaker 4: he has these quote freak offs, you know, weird kinky
Speaker 4: group sex in Hollywood. That's not an illegal thing.
Speaker 3: It happens all the time.
Speaker 4: If you don't have a consent of the women or
Speaker 4: the men, as the case may be, it is illegal.
Speaker 4: But okay, we're going to argue over whether they were
Speaker 4: willing participants.
Speaker 3: It's almost like a Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 4: Situation where he's going to say they willingly took drugs
Speaker 4: and willingly participated in these things, and they're going to say,
Speaker 4: absolutely not.
Speaker 3: He drugged me against my will.
Speaker 4: Maybe there were drugs in that baby oil, maybe in
Speaker 4: another way, but I definitely didn't consent to being drugged
Speaker 4: or to being raped or sodomized by P Diddy. And
Speaker 4: what's really going to be interesting is the parade of
Speaker 4: celebrities who we expect to be mentioned and or called
Speaker 4: into that courtroom. You know, people who we hadn't heard
Speaker 4: about prior, like Mike Myers, you know, Austin Powers, Mike Myers,
Speaker 4: What's why is he getting called? Why is he on
Speaker 4: the witness list? That'll be fascinating. And then of course
Speaker 4: there are the no name, quote unquote women who are
Speaker 4: going to have to find every ounce of courage. They
Speaker 4: have to sit on that witness stand across from someone
Speaker 4: who can buy and sell their whole families, who is
Speaker 4: accused of behaving violent in the past toward both male
Speaker 4: and female adversaries or so called friends who ticked him off.
Speaker 4: You know, he allegedly firebombed this one rapper's car for
Speaker 4: allegedly being interested in the same woman. There are questions
Speaker 4: about whether he's potentially done worse than that to others.
Speaker 4: And these young women with no power and no money,
Speaker 4: who could put him behind bars for the rest of
Speaker 4: his life, have to sit there, look him in the
Speaker 4: eye and say what he did to them. Now, that's
Speaker 4: going to be a very tall order. There's already been
Speaker 4: a question about whether one has bailed. They couldn't find
Speaker 4: this one witness late last week and the prosecution wasn't
Speaker 4: sure whether she'd left pieced out. And even if they
Speaker 4: don't peace out, will they stick by their stories on
Speaker 4: the stand.
Speaker 3: It's a very very tall.
Speaker 1: Order we love making.
Speaker 2: Kelly should be back, of course, wading stice here and
Speaker 2: pull my life now. It was obvious to any one
Speaker 2: that Joe Biden not quite up to it. We knew
Speaker 2: it when us in the basement. We knew it when
Speaker 2: just in the first weeks of his presidency he was
Speaker 2: foling up the stairs, and anyone who ever said it
Speaker 2: at the time, of course, was screamed at by people
Speaker 2: like CNN's Jyke Tappa.
Speaker 8: I think you were mocking a stutter, and I think
Speaker 8: you have absolutely no standing to diagnose somebody's cognitive decline.
Speaker 8: I would think that somebody in the Prump family would
Speaker 8: be more sensitive to people who do do not have
Speaker 8: medical licenses diagnosing politicians from Afar. Plenty of people have
Speaker 8: diagnosed your father from Afar, and I'm sure it offends you,
Speaker 8: your father in law from a far. I'm sure it
Speaker 8: defends you. You don't have any standing to.
Speaker 1: Say, noticing what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: You just talked about a cognitive declin last question, fel.
Speaker 4: Are times on stage and it's very concerning to a
Speaker 4: lot of people that this could be the leader of
Speaker 4: the free world.
Speaker 3: That is all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I genuinely thank you.
Speaker 3: Lauren, sorry for Joe.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it well.
Speaker 2: I knew. Book details all of the different ways that
Speaker 2: the Biden White House covered up everything that we knew
Speaker 2: to be true at the time, and that the media
Speaker 2: told us, of course, was just unacceptable.
Speaker 1: And the person who wrote the book, say An's Jaye Tappa.
Speaker 8: This is all part of a larger hole where the
Speaker 8: Biden White House tried to hide the extent of his deterioration,
Speaker 8: both physical and cognitive, as much as possible. In fact,
Speaker 8: as you we all know, we all saw as his
Speaker 8: shuffling gait got worse and worse from two thousand and
Speaker 8: three to two thousand and four, they started putting aids
Speaker 8: around him as he walked to Marine one, the helicopter,
Speaker 8: that was to kind of hide from public view how
Speaker 8: bad his gay was, how bad his walking was, his shuffling,
Speaker 8: and also in case he stumbled again, to make sure
Speaker 8: somebody was there. And this is just of a piece
Speaker 8: of an overall campaign to try to conceal from the
Speaker 8: American people the extent to which the President was really
Speaker 8: struggling to do his job.
Speaker 2: Same guy shouting down out of one ear and then
Speaker 2: probably getting award for writing a book out on the other.
Speaker 2: So the way they do it, I'm taking a long
Speaker 2: way Caden for a night's waiting, so I'll so you
Speaker 2: on Sunday night.
Speaker 1: Guy Yankees