WEBVTT - Sharri | 2 April 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:10.520 Live on Sky News This Sharry. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.200 Good Evening Tonight, Peter Dutton tries to distance himself from 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.440 Donald Trump, as John Howard declares Alban. 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:15.880 Easy is out of his depth. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.320 This is Beijing gives Albin Ezi the tick of approval. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:22.959 James Patterson will join me in a moment on China's 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:27.640 endorsement of Handsome Boy Albo. Plus is Raeli Deputy Foreign 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.000 Minister Sharen Haskell will be on the show as Hermas 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.640 hunts down protesters. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.120 And who is going to win the election? 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.720 Well, we'll get the verdict from Michael Kroger and Graham Richardson. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.560 But first tonight, one figure Peter Dutton never thought he'd 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.280 have to distance himself from during this election campaign was 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:51.159 the United States President. Yet the focus group research is 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:56.840 clear Trump is mostly disliked by Australians and Albin Easy 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:02.280 has been successful in linking Dutton with Donald Trump. Yet 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.560 while he is on the nose in Australia, polls show 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.520 Trump's popularity is at a record. 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.280 High in the United States. 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.120 But just like the Tampa affair cast the shadow over 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.640 the two thousand and one election, the Trump factor is 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:22.400 looming large as a dominant influence this campaign, and the 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.600 mood here has turned against Trump, with polling showing that 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.320 sixty percent of Australians think his election win has been 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:34.920 bad for Australia. This jumped from the forty percent who 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:39.360 said the same thing just in November, and even shockingly, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.760 more people think the United States is a greater threat 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:48.600 to Australia than Russia. This even as Beijing comes out 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:53.080 in support of alban EASi. Chinese state media today accused 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:57.720 Dutton of beating the drums of war against China, and 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.120 then they praised Albanesi. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.280 For speaking the truth. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.520 This is the most obvious sign that the Albanese government 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.640 has been coosing up to China in submission to the 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:16.279 communist dictatorship. Yet for Albanesi, China is an issue he's ignoring. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:22.959 He seems unconcerned about the spy ships circumnavigating our southern coast. Instead, 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:28.680 he's capitalizing on that anti Trump sentiment, continually comparing Dutton 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:33.520 to the President, and he's compared Elon Musk's doge cuts 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.760 with Dutton's public service cuts. Never mind that Dutten is 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.280 actually trying to address the debt blowout, which is on 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.160 track to hit a trillion dollars next year. We're here 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.920 at Albanesi's senior minister's linking Dutton to Trump. 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.080 Peter Dutton is going to back Trump over Australia. 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:59.120 BC's dojie Dutton taking his cues, his instructions and his 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.600 policies straight from the US in a way that will 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.520 make Australians worse off. 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:11.520 We don't have to adopt all of America's policies, yeap Well. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.600 The Australian's Foreign editor, Greg Sheridan rightly points out that 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:20.720 no one seriously thinks Dutton is an Australian version of Trump. 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:25.400 That prospect, he says, is absurd, But he notes that 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.680 six weeks ago the Trump effect looked like a plus 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.560 for Peter Dutton. Now it's a small minus and a 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:37.160 corresponding plus for Albanesi. And Sheridan writes that Trump may 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:42.800 become so unpopular in Australia that publicly opposing him becomes 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:48.559 politically advantageous. He says that would be very dangerous for Australia. 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.840 Yet it seems we're already in that place because Dutton 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:58.880 had no option but to counter Albanesi's insinuation that he's 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:03.280 Trump like the opposition leader came out strongly today saying 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.680 he was prepared to take on the American president. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.520 Ultimately, what people want is a prime minister who can 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.760 stand up for our country, and what they've seen in 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.840 Anthony Albanezi is somebody who doesn't have the strength or 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.360 the backbone or the will to stand up for our 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.320 country's interests. He can't stand up to China at the 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.919 moment with Donald Trump. If I needed to have a 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.240 fight with Donald Trump or any other world leader to 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.000 advance our nation's interests, I'd do it in a heartbeat. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.719 And Dutton has also been asking voters to consider who 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:39.400 is a stronger figure to protect Australia's interests abroad himself 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.799 or Alburn Easy Now Former Prime Minister John Howard said 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.960 this comparison between Dutton and Trump is nonsense. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.640 Here he was speaking earlier with Chris Kenny. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.120 Likewise, here, Donald Trump looms large over the election campaign, 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.160 doesn't he. Labor is trying to smear Peter Dutton as 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.120 some sort of Trumpian figure. 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.080 Is that realistic? Is it? 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:02.440 Well? 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:07.200 The Labor Party will try any dodge, but it's not realistic. Okay. 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.719 Trump is sentered right, so to speak, Although in my view, 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.960 he's not a real conservative. There are a lot of 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:20.640 conservative values that I hold to that he apparently doesn't 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:24.200 mean he attacks his own security services. I don't think 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.920 that makes any sense. On the other hand, things he's 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.960 said about gender identity and university and say, well, I 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:36.320 agree with most sensible Australians too. But that's, as it were, 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.039 the low hanging fruit. That's the easy part. Of the 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.880 harder part is what you do to your allies, and 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:48.720 to undermine Canada is just I find it inexplicable. 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:51.520 Well, there's no escaping that. 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.400 Aside from alban Easy and Dutton, Trump is the most 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:59.400 dominant figure this election, and he's turned into a negative 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.520 for dut Now I'm not saying I agree with this, 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.760 but this is the sentiment that's showing up in focus 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:10.400 group research. Initially, Trump's refusal to take Albanese's phone call 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:15.719 was highly embarrassing for the Prime minister. But now Trump 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:20.800 is seen by Australians as too volatile, too extreme, too chaotic, 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:25.080 and too untrustworthy an ally. And this shifting sentiment from 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:30.560 Australians was when Trump mistreated Ukrainian President Zelenski in the 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:35.200 White House. That was the pivotal moment, and now with 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.640 the Liberation Day tariff said to be imposed on Australia, 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:44.400 this will continue the sentiment towards the president. Now, these 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.159 attitudes were clear from the voters that Laura j spoke 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:52.120 to in the crucial Central co seat of Robertson earlier today. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.480 Differently, like ALBONIZI there's no way I could go for Dutton. 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.120 This is said Trump mean, I don't know nuclear, he 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.680 wants to settle the public servants, and you know, there's 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:03.640 a lot of things I don't like. 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.040 I just don't like Donald Donald Trump. Peter Dutton, who's 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.480 a very Donald Trump esque person. I don't want to 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:17.120 cut public services and be very anti immigration. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.840 It's interesting because the Trump factor initially meant that left 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.960 wing governments around the world were on notice. Trump's victory 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:31.520 seemed to signal the end of woke ideology. But now 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:36.160 the concern about his reliability and conduct have seen this flip, 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:41.320 so that it's conservative politicians who are suffering from Trump damage. 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:46.400 But the obsession with Trump is ultimately a distraction from 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:51.760 the central issues in our country, cost of living, national security, 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:57.440 and Albanese's own incompetence. Now Dutton has spoken often during 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:01.800 this campaign and before about Howard's influence on him. Howard 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.640 is the sort of leader that he aspires to be, 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:10.280 and the former Prime Minister stresses Albanese's incompetence. 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.600 The description I would make of the Prime Minister is 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:19.040 that is out of his depth. Now as a Liberal leader, 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.720 I disagreed with Labor leaders a lot. 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:23.200 I disagreed with. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:27.120 Bob hawklor but I never thought Hawk was out of 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:31.120 his depth. I just thought he was wrong. I disagreed 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.920 even more with Paul Keating, who I thought was inferior 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.080 to Hawk as a Prime minister, but you could never 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.760 say he was out of each dip, whereas I don't 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:44.719 think Anthony Albanese he quite knows what's happening around him. 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:45.440 Well. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.120 Well, it's a brutal assessment, but it's one that not 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:53.000 even Albanese's own colleagues would argue with. Because he is 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:57.760 a lightweight leader, his intellect and grasp of subject matter 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.600 is skin deep. As John Howard says, despite the fact 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:07.200 that Australians usually give first term governments another go, he 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.120 believes Dutton has a chance at winning. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:16.160 His free is still against it. But we have got 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:20.920 a prime minister who's clearly out of his steps. And 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:25.840 we have a situation where in less than three years 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.920 the economic situation has deteriorated. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:38.840 We've been speaking about Hamasa's brutal executions, cruel executions of 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.760 the brave Palestinians who protested against the terror regime. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:44.920 Now this is a crackdown. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:50.160 The Greens leader Adam Bandt has somehow blamed on Israel. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:52.360 This is seriously whopped. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.640 But for the left, Israel, the Jewish homeland is the 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.880 root of all evil. It's an irrational proposition that exposes 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.920 their fraudulent position pretending to care for human rights. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:05.760 Well. 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.000 Alex Ripchin said. 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:11.840 The Greens had failed to express unqualified sympathy for these Palestinians. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.160 He said the Greens have exploited freedom of speech and 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.679 protest in this country, supposedly in the service of a 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:23.240 free Palestine. Yet they have no interest in actual Palestinians 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:29.320 just butchered by Hamas for demanding that freedom. And Peter 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.080 Darten today described the Greens as an offensive and anti 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:33.960 Israel party. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.439 Maladim Bant represents the most radical party in the parliament, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.800 anti Semitic, racist party, and yet he'll be They're holding 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.480 hands with the Prime Minister after the election in a coalition, 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.840 which I think should shiver down the spine of every 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.439 Western Australian and every Australian because it would be bad 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.439 for the economy and it would be bad for Australia's 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:57.559 international reputation. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:00.520 Yeah, and an how wrong? 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:05.640 This is quite simply a morally corrupt political party that 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.120 has become so extreme that it can't seriously be a 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.800 governing partner with Labor in the event of a hung parliament. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.840 In fact, Labour shouldn't even be doing preference deals with 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.960 the Greens. Yet Albert Easy didn't want to answer questions 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:25.319 about this today given the things that Adam Banters said 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:29.680 about Israel, doesn't Labor have a moral obligation to preference 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.280 the Greens lust there? 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:32.800 And is this something that. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.840 You will use your authority and leadership as the Prime 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.679 Minister and leader of the Labor Party. 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:41.040 To make sure it happens? Is Jewish Labor members want. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:46.080 I don't engage in preference negotiations. What I do is 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.720 do my job and Paul Erickson will do his job 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:50.840 and the organizational team. 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.040 Now good on Latika Burg from the Nightly for holding 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.400 the Prime Minister to account. But what we just saw 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.680 there was a serious lack of transparency and accountability. Yet 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.360 again from alban Easy Now, the questions she was asking 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.000 was about the Jewish Labor and p Josh Burns seat 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:13.040 of Macnamara. But this question about whether Labour's going to 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:17.040 preference the Greens doesn't just apply to that seat, but 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:21.840 nationally the Prime Minister pretends preference deals have nothing to 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:22.280 do with him. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.640 You just heard it there, It's up to his back 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:29.280 room official, Paul Ericsson. What utter nonsense. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.960 Alban EASi is the ultimate political operative. He's highly factional, 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:40.120 he's utterly ruthless. And here's also the Prime Minister. He 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.880 is the person who makes the final decision on preference deals. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.520 He can't just pass the buck and avoid answering questions 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:52.240 that are firmly in the public interest. And Australians absolutely 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.080 need to know what deals. 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:55.079 The Labor is doing with the. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:13:01.000 Greens an extremist and highly offensive ideological part with a 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:09.080 warped sense of morality. Right James Patterson will be on 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.160 in a moment on China's endorsement of the Prime minister. 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.160 But now let's bring in former Victorian Liberal Party president 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:19.439 Michael Kroeger and Labor former Labor legend, former Labor Senator, 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.760 current Labor legend Graham Richardson. 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:22.760 Welcome to you both. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.240 Michael, doesn't the Prime Minister need to say where he's 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.360 doing preference deals with the Greens and if he would 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.160 form a governing coalition with them in the case of 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:34.000 a hung parliament. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.520 Well, he's answered the second question, which is that he won't. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:40.719 But you're one hundred percent right in relation to the 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.560 first question, and he can get out of it today 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.640 by not answering that question he was asked. But in 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.480 the end, as everyone watching this program knows, it's his decision. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.840 He holds the swing vote on the National Executive of 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.599 the Labor Party. It's ten to the right, tend to 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.000 the left and him he holds a swing vote. It's 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.080 not Paul Ericin's Eericston's decision. He's a bureaucrat, he's a 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.440 party official. He doesn't make preference decisions. The National Executive 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.480 the Labor Party does. This is Albanese's decision. And I'll 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.560 tell you why this is incredibly important now because I 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.200 think Josh Burns in the seat of Macnamara in Melbourne 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.760 will now come third. He got thirty one point seven 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:18.960 percent in twenty two. The Liberals and the Greens both 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.080 got twenty nine. Labour's voters collapsed in Victoria for all 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.840 the reasons we've known, Burns will probably come third. Now 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.920 is Albanizi going to ask those Labor voters to preference 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:34.760 the Greens second or the Liberals second, or is he 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.240 going to insult the whole Jewish community by giving a 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:41.760 split ticket which is which would just be disgraceful, equating 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.520 the Greens views in the Middle East with the Liberals. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.720 So this is the big question which still confronts Alberesi 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.920 between now and election day, and you can see he 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.440 is very uncomfortable getting that question. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:57.760 Shari, I get the focus on Macnamara. I completely understand. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.800 But to me, Richo, this is an issue right around 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.160 the country. This is an offensive party. Peter Dutton says 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.360 it's an anti Semitic party. We just heard that comment 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.200 from him. So why isn't this an issue? Why should 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:13.359 Labor be doing deals with the Greens all around Australia, Richo. 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.640 Well, Labor does deals with the Greens so it can 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:21.960 win seats. It's pretty obvious the Greens voters will always, 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:26.280 i think, tend to preference Labor irrespective of where the 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.040 Greens might put their out of vote, because if you're 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:34.840 voting Green, ten percent of Australians as a round figure 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.960 vote Green, the number doesn't change much election to election. 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.280 And that's the left of our political spectrum. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:48.640 But Michael, in the past we've seen Labor demanding that 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:53.000 the coalition put one nation's last, one nation last. 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.200 Right on preferences. So why is this any different? 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:02.760 Well, it's different because no matter how off the edge 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.600 One Nation were many years ago, the Greens are far worse. 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.080 This is the most extreme major party we've seen in 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:11.840 Australian history. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.760 This is my point. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.720 Yes, yeah, these people are very different. This is not 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.360 a Green paper, this is a revolutionary party. And as 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.359 you say, where are the demonstrations against Tamas supporting Palestinians, 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.920 innocent Palestinians against Tummas. Right, we know what this guy 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.600 bans on about. We know what the Greens on are about. Right, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.840 let's not beat around the bush here. We know exactly 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.480 what these people think about the Jewish community in Israel. Right, 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:40.160 we know exactly this Alban Easy, Right, Alban Easy is 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.800 going to be forced. He's going to be forced between 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.800 now and May three to say whether he thinks Labor 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.480 voters should give a second preference to this mob, the Greens, 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.760 this disgraceful organization, or the Liberal Party. And if he 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.840 insults Jewish voters by saying you've got to put the 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.120 Green second, or it's a split ticket, it's your decision, 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.920 you know, Liberal Green, it's just the same. And I'll 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.040 tell you why this metter so much. I'll take issue 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.080 with Graham. There was a bi election here in the 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.000 seat of Paran, which is very close to McNamara, just 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.200 a few weeks ago and the independent Labour Canate directed 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.119 preferences to the Liberal Party. A guy called Tony Luttin, 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.240 distinguished former Labor member. He gave preferences to the Liberal 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.440 Party because he said real labor hawk Labor Steve Brax 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.920 Labor wouldn't preference the Greens, and sixty eight percent of 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:29.919 Labor voters followed his ticket. So it is very critical 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:34.080 in McNamara at least as to where Labor give their preferences. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.800 And this is a massive issue for albanize In. As 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.240 you say, this will reverberate in teal seats and labor 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:41.600 seats all around the country. 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:42.840 Yeah, indeed it will. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.960 Now, Rich, I want to ask you about this comparison 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:51.240 that the Albanezi ministers are pushing, comparing Trump to Darton. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.159 This is damaging for the opposition leader, isn't it. 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.879 Yeah, I guess it is. A lot of Australians are 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.040 not really an am with Trump and so you make 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.920 it comparison. It's not going to help. But I doubt 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.720 very much that it's a big issue, and I think 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.400 Dutton is going well. I think Dutton's improved. I think 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.680 Dutton works hard and I think he having an impact. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.160 So the best thing people can do is just leave 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.600 him alone. Let him get on with a job he's doing. Okay. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.040 I think the sign, Michael that it was having a 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.439 negative impact is the fact that Duddin came out so 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.359 strongly today in that interview with clonel and said he 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.760 is prepared to fight with Donald Trump. So he felt 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.439 that he needed to clear this narrative up. What do 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.600 you think What else does he need to do here 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.240 to counter Labour's perception that he's Australia's version of Trump. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.240 Yeah, I don't think people believe that. I agree with 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.600 Graham it's a minor irritant. But in due course there's 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.080 a long word to go into a now in the election, 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.439 in due course people are going to say are going 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.159 to work out? Well, it's not so much whether we 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.240 like Trump or not Trump or not. The questions what 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.280 are we going to do about him? What are we 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:01.480 going to do about him? And what are we to 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.439 do about these tariffs that are coming tomorrow? And the 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.000 answer won't be, you know, just saying how we don't 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.360 like Donald Trump. The answer will be who can deal 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.359 with this blake? Who's going to deal with him? And 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.040 the polls show very clearly that people think Peter Dutton's 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.439 the right person to deal with him. As we know, 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.239 I mean, I was reminded by the way the other 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.560 day George Bush put tariffs on Australian steel in two 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:25.040 thousand and two. Right, George Bush his administration put tariffs 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.199 on Australian steel in two thousand and two. They were 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.200 taken off within a week. You know how you know why? 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:34.000 John Howard called in the ambassador, the American ambassador, and 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.240 John Howard rang George Bush, with whom he had a 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:38.920 personal relationship. He knew his father. 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:39.280 Well. 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.800 Howard used his personal relationship with the ambassador and with 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.680 President Bush to get the tariffs taken off. That's why 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.399 in the end people are going to realize, well, Alberzi 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.320 he's got no influence and rud have got no influence. 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.320 In the end, Dutton's going to have some influence. Dutton's 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.480 got some credibility. He's going to have an influence with Trump. 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:59.840 So whilst the minute it might look like it does 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.080 help Dutton, in a few weeks time people are going 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:03.760 to stop complaining and start thinking what are we going 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:05.800 to do about it? Nance will be Peter Dutton. 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.919 Yeah, Well, the Prime Minister was in Victoria this morning, 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.280 but unlike in other states, the Premiere was nowhere to 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.760 be seen. Now Albo denied he was distancing himself from 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.480 just into Allen, who's clearly unpopular, and she also tried 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.080 to say that there was no snub. 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.600 Have a look out the Premier Victoria, by a side, 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:26.960 might see her later today. 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.200 That you've had two premiers in the last couple of days, 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:30.600 by a side, earlier in the day. 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:32.040 Parliament sitting. 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:34.360 It's this little thing called parliament. 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:34.560 Paul. 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.200 I've been speaking to the Prime Minister regularly as recently 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:38.880 as this week. 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.520 Oh, come on, rich O, he doesn't want to be 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:47.240 seen anywhere near just into Alan does He doesn't. 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:47.720 Look like it, does it? 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.320 And you see there Allen is a bit on the nose, 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:52.760 So I can blame him. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.600 Yeah, to say the least, Michael. 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.880 This as we've been discussing, this has obviously been working 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.320 in the coalition's fate for the fact that Victorians are 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.680 so unhappy with the state government. But I want to 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.560 ask you what you're hearing about. How many seats the 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:09.520 coalition could pick up in Victoria. 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.640 So I think the Coalition are going to win four. 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:18.400 They're going to win McEwan, chisholm Aston and I think 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.640 now they're going to win Kuyong for all the reasons 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:23.920 we've seen on Sky tonight. I mean, you can't preach 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:28.160 in Tegntary and run a dirty, dirty campaign against Amitia Hamer. 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:32.280 People are disgusted by what Manique Ryan's done. Labor are 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.359 in trouble in another eight seats in Victoria, They're in 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.719 trouble in a whole heap of seats. Their voters their 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.520 primary votes collapsed in Victoria. So Tim Wilson has got 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.520 a huge chance of beating the teal in his seat, 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:52.680 and then you go to Bruce Holt, hawk Kerrangamite McNamara, Dunkley. 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:57.600 I mean there's eight there's eight more where Isaac's where 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:02.879 labor in trouble in the five nine percent field. And look, 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:05.720 today was a very big mistake by Elbow. He needed 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:07.480 to meet you, Cindre Allen and get it out of 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.560 the way. All the press in Victoria today was how 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:14.120 he snubbed just Cinder Allen. No either going to parliament. Nonsense, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.320 everyone knows right Channel nine, Channel every media in Victoria 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.639 today was about the snub. He's got to meet you, 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.000 Cinder Allen and get photographed with it, which will be 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.520 pr disaster for him, but he's got to do it 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.120 otherwise this this is going to be a lot worse 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.720 than he's going to get snowball every day. Yeah, it's 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.119 going to be the story every day, you know, indeed? 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:32.479 Is it? 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:35.280 Look we're out of time very quickly. If you had 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.879 to predict right now, Richo Michael, who would you say 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:44.480 wins this election? I'm going to ask you every week. O. 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:46.160 Well, I think Peter Dutt wins. I think he wins 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:48.240 seventy two seats and he gets four independence and he 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:50.560 gets here with seventy six, he could win his own 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.720 right still, but I think a minority liberal government's the 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.280 most likely result, Richo. 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.119 I think I hung parliament's the most likely result. And 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:02.240 I'm not sure once you get a hung parliament which 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:03.720 side is going to be able to wing all the 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:07.000 deal and you become the government. So I'm not going 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:07.520 to predicted. 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.280