WEBVTT - #2027 Transhumanism - Dr. Jeff Gross 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.520 Again, I tell him it's the bloody you project. Doctor 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.920 Jeff is just declaring his love for Tiff and just 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.719 he's just put me in second place straight away at 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.479 the top of the show, the only Child is back 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:14.920 in therapy, it would seem, so I'll just be booking 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:18.160 that straight after the show. Tiff, what's it like being 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:20.200 the perpetual favorite on my show? 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:22.520 Look, I'm quite partial to it. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:27.120 I haven't quite it seems to be a common occurrence. 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.920 It's like, I feel like some people only come on 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.320 the show so they can meet you. And you know 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.560 what else? I hate when I go out and people 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:37.680 say to me, what's Tiff? 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:37.920 Like? 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:48.080 I go fucked if? Like, hey, fuck t iif? Good? Ay, Doc, 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:48.920 how are you. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:55.720 Listen? I am here to enjoy the entertaining witty nonsense 0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:00.480 that is, you know, is spun by you and your 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.560 own Robin Quiver's Tiff. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:07.479 Yeah, that is that is who she is. What time 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.759 is it over there in the thriving metropolis? It's seven 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.160 fourteen in the am here? What is it there? 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.200 Good morning to you? It's it's one fifteen in the 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:16.800 afternoon in Las Vegas. 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.440 Well give you up, but a cup? Are you at work. 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.560 Are you seeing patients today? What are you up to? 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.280 Yeah? And full disclosure, I was late to our get 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.639 together today because I was running a little behind with patients. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:33.600 So I appreciate your your your understanding, and only dockumy 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.679 pay fifty Yeah. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.560 Yeah, Well he was given his first warning everyone before 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.399 we went there. I told him that there'd be fifty 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:46.800 percent reduction in payment this episode, which you know, I 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.120 do it for his own good, because if there's no consequences, 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.560 people don't learn. And I'm all about learning and teaching, 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:55.800 and if I have to dispense a little bit of 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.360 tough love, you know what, I'm going to fucking do it. 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.520 That's that's okay. So even at your age, even with 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.559 your status and your brand and your credibility and your 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.000 disgusting wealth, you've still got to learn a lesson. 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:14.960 Well, I appreciate you, professor for making sure that I 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:16.440 stay in my lane here. Thank you. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.119 All right, let's open the batting. That's an Australian term. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.880 It's a cricket term that you won't understand. But let's 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:30.400 open the bat I want to dive straight in. So 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:37.040 I've spoken a bit about biological age. Is it possible 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:43.520 to reverse biological age without a doubt significantly, and just 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:44.960 just tell us a little bit about that. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.280 Yeah, without a doubt. So biological age is probably more 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:54.239 important measure of our overall health and potential longevity than 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.840 our chronological age. Yeah, but we measure chronological age of 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.040 meaning how old we are. But as you know, you 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:02.799 can look at a couple eighty year olds and one 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:07.360 is decrepit and gray, and you know, on a cane 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.519 in a rocking chair, and one is playing pickaball. Do 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:12.440 you have pickleball there? 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.240 Yep, yeah, pickables, just like in the stites. It's gone nuts. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:21.040 Okay, okay. So, and it turns out that there are 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:25.959 markers in the cell, different markers, certain products cells make 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:31.120 or lack of products, Certain changes on the appendages to 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:35.800 the genetic material called methylation, certain appendages to our antibodies 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:41.480 called glycylation and or glycosylation, And these things are markers, 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.480 and you look at them, you know statistically of how 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:50.520 effectively old our biology is. Not our calendar edge, you 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.480 can reverse those. Those are inducible one way or the other, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:59.440 and you can significantly reduce them, mostly by making choices. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:05.720 Hmm. Okay, I've got so if this is all bro 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.520 science and this is just you're talking off the top everyone, 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.480 And remember everyone, none of this is necessarily medical advice. 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.440 We're just chatting which one's going to have the biggest 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:21.680 impact negative impact on biological age over time. So consistent 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:26.839 and regular stress as in distress booze like daily drinking, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:31.600 probably too much booze or shitty sleep over a long 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.240 extended period of time. So stress, booze or sleep. 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:37.520 Those are my only choices. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.960 Yeah, well you can no, you can go wherever you want. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:47.240 I would say the largest mover of the needle is 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:55.600 based upon your physical health, your exercise status, your muscle mass. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:05:00.720 Thoes all go together because if you do that robustly, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:06.760 If you exercise robustly, and we're talking you know, high 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:11.159 intensity exercise, we're talking to work to failure, we're talking 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:16.960 muscle gains. You can almost forgive a few little violations 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:22.120 in the alcohol department, the eating department, and the neurological 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.200 slash psychological stress department. 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.880 You know what I find interesting about movement and obviously 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.400 that's the space that both TIF and I have worked 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:37.000 in most of our adult lives. Like when you go 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.160 into a gym, it's changing now a little bit. But 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.679 for the vast majority of my life, whenever I would 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:47.080 go into a gym, especially a weight room, most of 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.800 the people that you see in there probably don't need 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.640 to be there as much as the people who do 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.119 need to be, you know. So there's this huge group 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.160 of kind of sixteen to thirty five year olds, and 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.200 it's good they're in the him and it's good they're training. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.200 But the people that probably most need it physiologically and 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.760 from a health perspective, like forty plus, tend to be 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.960 the minority in there. But it's shifting now a little bit. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.320 I think you yep, yeah, I. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.240 See the same thing here in the States. And I 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:24.800 think that what you do in a decade determines how 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.320 you will feel an age in the following decades. So 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.800 if you are in your forties and fifties and you're 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:32.960 busy working and doing things that you say, oh, I'll 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.600 get more into exercise in the next decade, you're going 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.880 out or wrong. You need to do stuff all the time. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.440 I've spoken about this a bit lately, but why do 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.640 you I know you're not a psychologist, but why do 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.920 you think we're so reactive rather than proactive. Is it 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:55.279 just because you know, taking action is uncomfortable and it 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.520 just requires effort, or you know, why do we wait 0:06:58.600 --> 0:06:59.919 until stuff falls apart? 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.600 I think the modern world has given us certain easiness 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:13.120 and laziness, And it's just the dopamine release. Was sitting 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.000 in front of the television or in front of your 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:22.800 phone is immediately gratifying compared to the more delayed gratification 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:24.920 from consistent workouts. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.000 Yeah, yeah, well we do love a little bit of dopamine, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.920 don't we. And that idea of again a well worn 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:39.040 path of conversation here, but the idea of delaying gratification 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.520 is not the most attractive to people. It's like, no, 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:48.120 just wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. How far away 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.440 are we from creating I don't know if this is 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.160 the right term, you'll know, but creating tissue in a 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:00.680 lab that we can use to repair injury, you know, 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:05.760 like Achilles Tenon's knees, Like creating human tissue, if that's 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:10.360 the right term. Yeah, you know, rather than what we've 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.120 been doing for the last thousand years. 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:16.520 Well, we do that in some ways now. I don't 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.239 know if we're creating a lab, but I mean, people 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:24.840 can donate tissues for that purpose. Some of these umbilical 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.240 cord cells that are donated can go into an incubator 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.520 in a lab and they can spit out more to 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:35.720 an extent, So that is creating it of sorts, and 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:40.120 we're getting better at learning how to well strategize or 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.920 modify it or induce it to make you know, more 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:49.560 specific healing elements. So we're doing that now. It's not 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.679 readily available everywhere, and some of it is considered experimental, 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.400 but nature's done this for us for so long, right, 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:03.120 the womb is theater, and the birth products are so 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:08.200 amazingly restorative and regeneritive. So it's here, it's here now, 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.000 and it's just growing fast. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.520 I was thinking about this yesterday when I was listening 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:20.560 to a dude talk about or two dudes talk about transhumanism, 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:27.080 which my understanding is it's essentially the kind of the 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:31.800 intersection or the merger of biology and technology and like. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.000 And obviously there's already a level of that, of course, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:39.120 we're using technology and operations and medicine already, but the 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.160 kind of evolution of that where more and more we're 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.760 going to see this integration of for want of better term, 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:50.920 human and robot or biology technology to have this this 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.360 hybrid new kind of version of a human over time. 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:56.880 Do you ever think about that? What are your thoughts 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:57.120 on that? 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.280 Yeah, I mean, listen, we already have ellen of transhumanism. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:06.040 We have neuralink elon Musks company, where you have electric 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.800 electronic implant. But before that, there's something called the Dobell eye. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.760 It was basically an array of detectors that you could 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.480 wear in a set of glasses and they are wired 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.360 into an array of elect electrodes that lay on top 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.520 of the brain in the back of the brain and 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.840 the occipital lobe where vision is detected in someone that's blind. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.320 But let's say they they're optic nerve never developed during 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.800 their when they were a fetus, so they have they 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.160 have ability to the light and the and the perceived 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.920 world hits these detectors. They're like little cameras. It gives 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:49.120 electronic or variable impulses to an array of areas in 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.480 the back of the occipital lobe, and the brain is 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.040 an AI. It's a neural network. It starts to recognize patterns, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.920 it starts to define those and get and get used 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.920 to them, and pretty soon you can they have vision 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:05.920 of sorts. So this is this goes back, you know, 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.880 twenty five thirty years. This is not new. Elon Musk 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:10.720 has got it down to a smaller device and maybe 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.480 even an externalized device eventually, which would be nice because 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.880 nobody likes to have to have their head open to 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:21.280 put an array of electrodes in there. But transhumanism, though, 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:28.680 speaks to these technologies that would allow our our data 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:33.240 to be downloaded into a continuous form, you know, your 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:37.320 soul or your mind or your memories into a digital 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.079 form where you could upload them later into someone else, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.600 or into a new version of yourself that's not as 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:47.120 biologic or something like that. That's that's sort of the 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:48.640 underlying concept. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:55.080 Imagine that, Tiff. Imagine downloading your consciousness into some kind 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:59.679 of external hard drive or something, and then and then 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.000 uploading it later once you get I don't know, I 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.000 don't know, or maybe yeah, you might get a new 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.920 body later, you might get a donor body, and you know, 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.480 I become Brian, and Brian becomes me, and then I 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.720 just upload Craig's consciousness back into the new donor body 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.120 and now I just do life. I don't know, I 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:22.840 don't know. It freaks me out a little bit. Would 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.760 you do neural link doc if you knew it was 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.079 one hundred percent safe? 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.920 If I think it's safe, We've been doing things like 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.960 that all the time for years. I'm not worried about 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.280 the safety profile. But how you'd have to have a 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.959 need for it, like if I lost vision or the 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.040 use of my limbs. Of course they would. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.960 Okay, maybe I'm misunderstanding. I thought neural link, like Elon's version, 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:52.360 is essentially access to the Internet in your brain, among 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:53.000 other things. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.360 It could be that's fair. But the reason you would 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.000 do that right now because you cannot utilize a computer 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.800 and you need to use eye movements or thoughts to 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:12.240 to to access the world socially, I don't. I'm not 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.760 ready to do that because I still have most of 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.600 my my faculties at the moment. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:25.120 Allegedly, yeah, allegedly. What's the What are the prize and 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:29.040 cons of as as we extend lifespan and health span? 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.520 I don't know if we by the way are we going? 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.839 Are we extending it? Are we extending health span? Or 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.480 or is it going backwards? I should I should start 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:38.240 with that question. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:45.120 Uh, well, we had been slowly extending lifespan, health span 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.600 has There's no good measure of health span and populations 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.559 that I've seen, So we don't know the answer to that. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:58.240 COVID drove us backwards because you measure the statistics and 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:03.000 there's so many deaths between twenty twenty and twenty twenty two, 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:08.600 and we're actually still seeing increased mortal diseases, you know, 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.960 cancers and things that might may or may not be 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.520 related to the COVID virus or the COVID vaccine. And 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:20.560 so I think we need to zoom out thirty thousand 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.840 feet and look at this a decade from now to 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:28.280 answer that. But we have the ability our health to 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.920 move forward with extending healthpan. Our health system in the 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.520 States doesn't allow it. In fact, it specifically works against it. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.480 In what way we. 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.080 Have a sick care system, not a healthcare system materially active, 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:47.840 not proactive. And it's you know, people are given solutions 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.880 for bad behaviors like what they eat and what they 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:56.760 smoke and what they drink, and the best solution is 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.880 free of charge, and that's not doing those things, right. 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.640 Yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah, Let's get to the calls 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.720 rather than the symptom. Let's let's change the behavior. Let's 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:13.480 change the behavior. Right, what are the uh, what are 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.200 the pros and cons? Again, and this is just an 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:21.680 opinion of maybe down the track having a generation of 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.920 people that live to one hundred and ten, one hundred 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.480 and twenty, and they get to one hundred years old 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:30.000 and they're relatively operational and functional. That a good or 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:30.600 a bad thing? 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:33.720 Well, it can be a good thing if those are 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:38.720 healthy people, you know. That's why we're talking about health span. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.120 These are not only just people living longer, but they're 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:47.200 functioning and you know, contributing and enjoying and all that. 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.480 So they're not lying in a nursing home bed, you know, 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:55.080 waiting for a diaper change. That's not health span, that's lifespan. 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:01.280 So we have that. Now we have super centennarians, people 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:08.040 over one hundred you know, you know, out there contributing, driving, independent, 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:12.720 more and more than ever. So the problem is our 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:18.560 statistics on life expectancy take in all people, people with 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:23.640 war health, people with you know, you know, self inflicted 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:28.600 poor health as well, so they dragged down the stats. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:33.800 If you took populations of people in their eighties, nineties 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:38.240 and one hundred and beyond the older you live Comma 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.560 the older you will live, Meaning if you can get 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.840 to that point, you have a chance your chances of 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:45.920 getting further are better. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:53.800 Do you think that like the idea of while still 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:57.680 obviously using medical professionals, but the idea of people kind 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.920 of trying to understand they're on ziology in the way 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:05.280 that their body responds and playing with the different variables 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:09.879 with you know, nutrition, sleep, strength, training, supplementation, all of 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.439 the things that you know, trying to modify stress and 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.840 how we work and where we work, like trying to 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.800 teach ourselves how our own body works and becoming almost 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.679 like our own doctor in a way. I feel like 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:25.199 that's not the worst idea. 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.879 I agree with you. I think we need to take ownership. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.200 There's a lot of passiveness at least what I see, 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.200 and people, you know, showing up at the emergency room 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.919 or urgent care or primary doc saying set fix me, 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:39.560 give me a pill. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:40.240 Yeah. 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:48.280 Yeah, there's a certain you know, I don't know, demand 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.680 or desire to have it just you know, flip a 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:53.600 switch and make it better. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:59.840 Yeah, we're seeing AI kind of creep into everything. Of course, 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.760 what's the what's happening in the medical space at the minute. 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.800 You guys using II in any capacity with your work, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.000 and what do you think that This is a big 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:12.960 question calls. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.119 First and foremost in the science side of things. AI 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:22.000 will improve our ability to make predictions and decisions based 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.880 on on scientific data. So many things in clinical medicine 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.040 are based on one to ten scales or these these 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.640 linear scales, whereas the true behavior is not a linear behavior, 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:38.680 and they're they're dummy down into into these uh you know, 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:43.680 the these non parametric, fuzzy symp systems are dummy down 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:50.440 into statistics of systems of numbers that don't work, and 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:55.800 we still use those because no one on the statistician 0:18:55.880 --> 0:19:00.920 side called out the doctors long ago. H So AI 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.320 is a non parametric system. It allows us to take 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:09.280 different data that is weighted differently. It allows us to 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.000 assign weights to data and it's self assigns. That's the 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.920 beauty of it. So pattern recognition and medicine is the key. 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.159 AI is going to help us with that. It's going 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:22.640 to help us figure out more difficult things, difficult patterns 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.919 or things that fall out of a pattern is a pattern, 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:30.000 so you know that's important It's also helps us take 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.280 large amounts of data. You know, some people come to 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.200 me in a doc. I've been sick for years. I've 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.520 seen twenty doctors. Here's a big stack of records. If 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.400 you review these, you'll have a better sense of what's 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:44.880 going on with me. And that's you know, it's gargantuane work. 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:46.720 That's hours and hours of work that you don't get 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.000 reimbursed for. So so you could drop those into an 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.960 AI and say, summarize these and you know, don't leave 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.080 anything out, and you know, there's a lot that will 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.399 save us time and figuring out patients. And on the 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.320 therapeutic side, think about designing new enzymes and proteins and 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:10.040 medications for problems or peptides which is you know, growing 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:14.439 so fast. That's that's really the fun stuff, right, Design 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.680 me the best peptide that that binds and blocks this 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.680 receptor and causes people to be happy all the time, 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:24.199 you know, I mean you could get that right. 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:30.639 So and is II being uh is it being embraced 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.199 by the broader medical community. I feel like there's a 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.840 bit of division or a bit of polarization. Some people 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:40.400 are like running with it. Some people think it's dangerous. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.640 Is there a general vibe in the medical community, Now, 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.919 that's fair what you're saying there. I think there is. 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:50.320 There is embracement of the technology because most people understand 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:55.000 the power of it. There are still those old fashioned 0:20:55.080 --> 0:21:00.320 guys and gals who think it's witchcraft. But that's okay. 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:05.440 I mean, you know, open minds are the ones that 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.600 pushed the boundaries to help find and foster new ideas 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:15.200 that for success. So I think all in all, it's 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.200 it's here to stay, it's coming, it's getting better and better. 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.200 You know, we're using it for like a medical transcription, 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.160 so I don't have to type my notes or rely 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:27.240 on someone that's very expensive to type them up. I 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:31.919 can use an audio AI processor to try to understand 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:36.720 my big words by big medical words, which is way 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:38.560 better than me trying to write them down because my 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:39.760 handwriting is miserable. 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.720 Well, those days of fast disappearing where you're going to 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:46.880 actually have to use a pen and piper. I think 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.560 we spoke a little bit before about the speaking of 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:59.040 technology using apps and trackers and the like. Can you 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.920 tell I don't think we told Jeff the story. Just quickly, 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:10.600 your blood sugar monitor story. Yes, and the subsequent spiral 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:13.280 tiff Nelly talked herself into it. 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.040 Oh so suggestible put me under hypnosis in a heartbeat. 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.720 I got one of the continuous blood glucose monitors, Jeff, 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.920 because I was interested in looking at what my cookies 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.320 due to my blood sugar, so I would have ehter 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.840 data to convince myself not to have them so frequently. 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.760 And by the second day, I realized that I was 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:42.080 frequently dipping into hyperglycemia. That's the low blood sugar, isn't 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:47.080 it hypoglassic I was dipping down, and then as I 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:50.680 watched every night, I was going dropping down and staying 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:56.840 in that red rat. I was so traumatic, but in 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:59.960 no time I felt like I felt sick. I felt 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.320 I was so I went from starting to feel good 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:08.080 to feeling exhausted and horrific. And then just before booking 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.159 an endochronologist, I thought, I'll just duck up to the 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.000 chemist and I'll get myself a finger prick test, and 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.480 the glucose monitor was completely off. 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.160 We tell him what you said, tell him what your 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.960 actual score was, and tell him what the monitor said. 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:27.840 So it was dropping below three yeah, two point nine 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:31.879 to three, and the monitor was like five five to six. 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:37.280 Okay, we go off different units here, but I can 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:41.359 see the relative value of that. Now the device you had, 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:43.480 did it? Was it one you put on your arm 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:48.240 and it pricked your arm? And okay, was it calibrated properly? 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:51.040 Well, I don't know. 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:54.399 Well, I think there's a method to calibrate these things, 0:23:56.520 --> 0:24:00.240 because usually those work pretty well. Something must have gone 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:03.920 wrong because I thought that with this hypoglycemia, the only 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:05.720 way to solve it was to have more cookies. 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:10.520 Well, I started eating oats before bed every night. I 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.479 put a lot three kilos in a week. 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:17.600 But you know what was funny was before that, right, 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:21.560 you kind of put the monitor on as more a 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:25.960 curiosity than any kind of you know, strategy, right, Yeah, 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:29.000 and then and you were feeling fine, and then you 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:33.000 didn't change any behavior. But then the monitor told you 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:36.680 that something bad was going on, which actually wasn't going on, 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:40.800 but you believed the data, not your own instinctive kind 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.320 of you know, like your body is like fine, but 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.439 this fucking piece of this gadget's telling you you're not fine. 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.080 And then you believe the gadget and you actually became sick. 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.800 Yes, I was so exhausted. 0:24:55.080 --> 0:25:00.679 Afternoon. You are very very easily like, how suggestible you 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:02.240 very No. 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:04.760 No, The beauty here is she had to go all 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:08.280 the way to get a continuous glucose monitor because she 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:12.880 wanted to make sure that what she knew about having 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.280 too many cookies was actually the wrong it was actually 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.359 a good concept. She could have just she could have 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:21.920 just gone with her gut. Then don't. 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:23.880 I don't know why you just don't eat the cookies. 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.080 You've got the fastest metabolism in Australia. 0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:26.640 It's a problem. 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:28.120 Do you just eat the cookies? 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:32.280 I mean she puts on muscle like a boode that's 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:38.399