Speaker 1: Again, I tell him it's the bloody you project. Doctor
Speaker 1: Jeff is just declaring his love for Tiff and just
Speaker 1: he's just put me in second place straight away at
Speaker 1: the top of the show, the only Child is back
Speaker 1: in therapy, it would seem, so I'll just be booking
Speaker 1: that straight after the show. Tiff, what's it like being
Speaker 1: the perpetual favorite on my show?
Speaker 2: Look, I'm quite partial to it.
Speaker 1: I haven't quite it seems to be a common occurrence.
Speaker 1: It's like, I feel like some people only come on
Speaker 1: the show so they can meet you. And you know
Speaker 1: what else? I hate when I go out and people
Speaker 1: say to me, what's Tiff?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I go fucked if? Like, hey, fuck t iif? Good? Ay, Doc,
Speaker 1: how are you.
Speaker 2: Listen? I am here to enjoy the entertaining witty nonsense
Speaker 2: that is, you know, is spun by you and your
Speaker 2: own Robin Quiver's Tiff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that is who she is. What time
Speaker 1: is it over there in the thriving metropolis? It's seven
Speaker 1: fourteen in the am here? What is it there?
Speaker 2: Good morning to you? It's it's one fifteen in the
Speaker 2: afternoon in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Well give you up, but a cup? Are you at work.
Speaker 1: Are you seeing patients today? What are you up to?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And full disclosure, I was late to our get
Speaker 2: together today because I was running a little behind with patients.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate your your your understanding, and only dockumy
Speaker 2: pay fifty Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well he was given his first warning everyone before
Speaker 1: we went there. I told him that there'd be fifty
Speaker 1: percent reduction in payment this episode, which you know, I
Speaker 1: do it for his own good, because if there's no consequences,
Speaker 1: people don't learn. And I'm all about learning and teaching,
Speaker 1: and if I have to dispense a little bit of
Speaker 1: tough love, you know what, I'm going to fucking do it.
Speaker 1: That's that's okay. So even at your age, even with
Speaker 1: your status and your brand and your credibility and your
Speaker 1: disgusting wealth, you've still got to learn a lesson.
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you, professor for making sure that I
Speaker 2: stay in my lane here. Thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, let's open the batting. That's an Australian term.
Speaker 1: It's a cricket term that you won't understand. But let's
Speaker 1: open the bat I want to dive straight in. So
Speaker 1: I've spoken a bit about biological age. Is it possible
Speaker 1: to reverse biological age without a doubt significantly, and just
Speaker 1: just tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt. So biological age is probably more
Speaker 2: important measure of our overall health and potential longevity than
Speaker 2: our chronological age. Yeah, but we measure chronological age of
Speaker 2: meaning how old we are. But as you know, you
Speaker 2: can look at a couple eighty year olds and one
Speaker 2: is decrepit and gray, and you know, on a cane
Speaker 2: in a rocking chair, and one is playing pickaball. Do
Speaker 2: you have pickleball there?
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, pickables, just like in the stites. It's gone nuts.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. So, and it turns out that there are
Speaker 2: markers in the cell, different markers, certain products cells make
Speaker 2: or lack of products, Certain changes on the appendages to
Speaker 2: the genetic material called methylation, certain appendages to our antibodies
Speaker 2: called glycylation and or glycosylation, And these things are markers,
Speaker 2: and you look at them, you know statistically of how
Speaker 2: effectively old our biology is. Not our calendar edge, you
Speaker 2: can reverse those. Those are inducible one way or the other,
Speaker 2: and you can significantly reduce them, mostly by making choices.
Speaker 1: Hmm. Okay, I've got so if this is all bro
Speaker 1: science and this is just you're talking off the top everyone,
Speaker 1: And remember everyone, none of this is necessarily medical advice.
Speaker 1: We're just chatting which one's going to have the biggest
Speaker 1: impact negative impact on biological age over time. So consistent
Speaker 1: and regular stress as in distress booze like daily drinking,
Speaker 1: probably too much booze or shitty sleep over a long
Speaker 1: extended period of time. So stress, booze or sleep.
Speaker 2: Those are my only choices.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can no, you can go wherever you want.
Speaker 2: I would say the largest mover of the needle is
Speaker 2: based upon your physical health, your exercise status, your muscle mass.
Speaker 2: Thoes all go together because if you do that robustly,
Speaker 2: If you exercise robustly, and we're talking you know, high
Speaker 2: intensity exercise, we're talking to work to failure, we're talking
Speaker 2: muscle gains. You can almost forgive a few little violations
Speaker 2: in the alcohol department, the eating department, and the neurological
Speaker 2: slash psychological stress department.
Speaker 1: You know what I find interesting about movement and obviously
Speaker 1: that's the space that both TIF and I have worked
Speaker 1: in most of our adult lives. Like when you go
Speaker 1: into a gym, it's changing now a little bit. But
Speaker 1: for the vast majority of my life, whenever I would
Speaker 1: go into a gym, especially a weight room, most of
Speaker 1: the people that you see in there probably don't need
Speaker 1: to be there as much as the people who do
Speaker 1: need to be, you know. So there's this huge group
Speaker 1: of kind of sixteen to thirty five year olds, and
Speaker 1: it's good they're in the him and it's good they're training.
Speaker 1: But the people that probably most need it physiologically and
Speaker 1: from a health perspective, like forty plus, tend to be
Speaker 1: the minority in there. But it's shifting now a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think you yep, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: See the same thing here in the States. And I
Speaker 2: think that what you do in a decade determines how
Speaker 2: you will feel an age in the following decades. So
Speaker 2: if you are in your forties and fifties and you're
Speaker 2: busy working and doing things that you say, oh, I'll
Speaker 2: get more into exercise in the next decade, you're going
Speaker 2: out or wrong. You need to do stuff all the time.
Speaker 1: I've spoken about this a bit lately, but why do
Speaker 1: you I know you're not a psychologist, but why do
Speaker 1: you think we're so reactive rather than proactive. Is it
Speaker 1: just because you know, taking action is uncomfortable and it
Speaker 1: just requires effort, or you know, why do we wait
Speaker 1: until stuff falls apart?
Speaker 2: I think the modern world has given us certain easiness
Speaker 2: and laziness, And it's just the dopamine release. Was sitting
Speaker 2: in front of the television or in front of your
Speaker 2: phone is immediately gratifying compared to the more delayed gratification
Speaker 2: from consistent workouts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well we do love a little bit of dopamine,
Speaker 1: don't we. And that idea of again a well worn
Speaker 1: path of conversation here, but the idea of delaying gratification
Speaker 1: is not the most attractive to people. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: just wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. How far away
Speaker 1: are we from creating I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: the right term, you'll know, but creating tissue in a
Speaker 1: lab that we can use to repair injury, you know,
Speaker 1: like Achilles Tenon's knees, Like creating human tissue, if that's
Speaker 1: the right term. Yeah, you know, rather than what we've
Speaker 1: been doing for the last thousand years.
Speaker 2: Well, we do that in some ways now. I don't
Speaker 2: know if we're creating a lab, but I mean, people
Speaker 2: can donate tissues for that purpose. Some of these umbilical
Speaker 2: cord cells that are donated can go into an incubator
Speaker 2: in a lab and they can spit out more to
Speaker 2: an extent, So that is creating it of sorts, and
Speaker 2: we're getting better at learning how to well strategize or
Speaker 2: modify it or induce it to make you know, more
Speaker 2: specific healing elements. So we're doing that now. It's not
Speaker 2: readily available everywhere, and some of it is considered experimental,
Speaker 2: but nature's done this for us for so long, right,
Speaker 2: the womb is theater, and the birth products are so
Speaker 2: amazingly restorative and regeneritive. So it's here, it's here now,
Speaker 2: and it's just growing fast.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this yesterday when I was listening
Speaker 1: to a dude talk about or two dudes talk about transhumanism,
Speaker 1: which my understanding is it's essentially the kind of the
Speaker 1: intersection or the merger of biology and technology and like.
Speaker 1: And obviously there's already a level of that, of course,
Speaker 1: we're using technology and operations and medicine already, but the
Speaker 1: kind of evolution of that where more and more we're
Speaker 1: going to see this integration of for want of better term,
Speaker 1: human and robot or biology technology to have this this
Speaker 1: hybrid new kind of version of a human over time.
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about that? What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, we already have ellen of transhumanism.
Speaker 2: We have neuralink elon Musks company, where you have electric
Speaker 2: electronic implant. But before that, there's something called the Dobell eye.
Speaker 2: It was basically an array of detectors that you could
Speaker 2: wear in a set of glasses and they are wired
Speaker 2: into an array of elect electrodes that lay on top
Speaker 2: of the brain in the back of the brain and
Speaker 2: the occipital lobe where vision is detected in someone that's blind.
Speaker 2: But let's say they they're optic nerve never developed during
Speaker 2: their when they were a fetus, so they have they
Speaker 2: have ability to the light and the and the perceived
Speaker 2: world hits these detectors. They're like little cameras. It gives
Speaker 2: electronic or variable impulses to an array of areas in
Speaker 2: the back of the occipital lobe, and the brain is
Speaker 2: an AI. It's a neural network. It starts to recognize patterns,
Speaker 2: it starts to define those and get and get used
Speaker 2: to them, and pretty soon you can they have vision
Speaker 2: of sorts. So this is this goes back, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty five thirty years. This is not new. Elon Musk
Speaker 2: has got it down to a smaller device and maybe
Speaker 2: even an externalized device eventually, which would be nice because
Speaker 2: nobody likes to have to have their head open to
Speaker 2: put an array of electrodes in there. But transhumanism, though,
Speaker 2: speaks to these technologies that would allow our our data
Speaker 2: to be downloaded into a continuous form, you know, your
Speaker 2: soul or your mind or your memories into a digital
Speaker 2: form where you could upload them later into someone else,
Speaker 2: or into a new version of yourself that's not as
Speaker 2: biologic or something like that. That's that's sort of the
Speaker 2: underlying concept.
Speaker 1: Imagine that, Tiff. Imagine downloading your consciousness into some kind
Speaker 1: of external hard drive or something, and then and then
Speaker 1: uploading it later once you get I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, or maybe yeah, you might get a new
Speaker 1: body later, you might get a donor body, and you know,
Speaker 1: I become Brian, and Brian becomes me, and then I
Speaker 1: just upload Craig's consciousness back into the new donor body
Speaker 1: and now I just do life. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It freaks me out a little bit. Would
Speaker 1: you do neural link doc if you knew it was
Speaker 1: one hundred percent safe?
Speaker 2: If I think it's safe, We've been doing things like
Speaker 2: that all the time for years. I'm not worried about
Speaker 2: the safety profile. But how you'd have to have a
Speaker 2: need for it, like if I lost vision or the
Speaker 2: use of my limbs. Of course they would.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I'm misunderstanding. I thought neural link, like Elon's version,
Speaker 1: is essentially access to the Internet in your brain, among
Speaker 1: other things.
Speaker 2: It could be that's fair. But the reason you would
Speaker 2: do that right now because you cannot utilize a computer
Speaker 2: and you need to use eye movements or thoughts to
Speaker 2: to to access the world socially, I don't. I'm not
Speaker 2: ready to do that because I still have most of
Speaker 2: my my faculties at the moment.
Speaker 1: Allegedly, yeah, allegedly. What's the What are the prize and
Speaker 1: cons of as as we extend lifespan and health span?
Speaker 1: I don't know if we by the way are we going?
Speaker 1: Are we extending it? Are we extending health span? Or
Speaker 1: or is it going backwards? I should I should start
Speaker 1: with that question.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, we had been slowly extending lifespan, health span
Speaker 2: has There's no good measure of health span and populations
Speaker 2: that I've seen, So we don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 2: COVID drove us backwards because you measure the statistics and
Speaker 2: there's so many deaths between twenty twenty and twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: and we're actually still seeing increased mortal diseases, you know,
Speaker 2: cancers and things that might may or may not be
Speaker 2: related to the COVID virus or the COVID vaccine. And
Speaker 2: so I think we need to zoom out thirty thousand
Speaker 2: feet and look at this a decade from now to
Speaker 2: answer that. But we have the ability our health to
Speaker 2: move forward with extending healthpan. Our health system in the
Speaker 2: States doesn't allow it. In fact, it specifically works against it.
Speaker 1: In what way we.
Speaker 2: Have a sick care system, not a healthcare system materially active,
Speaker 2: not proactive. And it's you know, people are given solutions
Speaker 2: for bad behaviors like what they eat and what they
Speaker 2: smoke and what they drink, and the best solution is
Speaker 2: free of charge, and that's not doing those things, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah, Let's get to the calls
Speaker 1: rather than the symptom. Let's let's change the behavior. Let's
Speaker 1: change the behavior. Right, what are the uh, what are
Speaker 1: the pros and cons? Again, and this is just an
Speaker 1: opinion of maybe down the track having a generation of
Speaker 1: people that live to one hundred and ten, one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty, and they get to one hundred years old
Speaker 1: and they're relatively operational and functional. That a good or
Speaker 1: a bad thing?
Speaker 2: Well, it can be a good thing if those are
Speaker 2: healthy people, you know. That's why we're talking about health span.
Speaker 2: These are not only just people living longer, but they're
Speaker 2: functioning and you know, contributing and enjoying and all that.
Speaker 2: So they're not lying in a nursing home bed, you know,
Speaker 2: waiting for a diaper change. That's not health span, that's lifespan.
Speaker 2: So we have that. Now we have super centennarians, people
Speaker 2: over one hundred you know, you know, out there contributing, driving, independent,
Speaker 2: more and more than ever. So the problem is our
Speaker 2: statistics on life expectancy take in all people, people with
Speaker 2: war health, people with you know, you know, self inflicted
Speaker 2: poor health as well, so they dragged down the stats.
Speaker 2: If you took populations of people in their eighties, nineties
Speaker 2: and one hundred and beyond the older you live Comma
Speaker 2: the older you will live, Meaning if you can get
Speaker 2: to that point, you have a chance your chances of
Speaker 2: getting further are better.
Speaker 1: Do you think that like the idea of while still
Speaker 1: obviously using medical professionals, but the idea of people kind
Speaker 1: of trying to understand they're on ziology in the way
Speaker 1: that their body responds and playing with the different variables
Speaker 1: with you know, nutrition, sleep, strength, training, supplementation, all of
Speaker 1: the things that you know, trying to modify stress and
Speaker 1: how we work and where we work, like trying to
Speaker 1: teach ourselves how our own body works and becoming almost
Speaker 1: like our own doctor in a way. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's not the worst idea.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think we need to take ownership.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of passiveness at least what I see,
Speaker 2: and people, you know, showing up at the emergency room
Speaker 2: or urgent care or primary doc saying set fix me,
Speaker 2: give me a pill.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a certain you know, I don't know, demand
Speaker 2: or desire to have it just you know, flip a
Speaker 2: switch and make it better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're seeing AI kind of creep into everything. Of course,
Speaker 1: what's the what's happening in the medical space at the minute.
Speaker 1: You guys using II in any capacity with your work,
Speaker 1: and what do you think that This is a big
Speaker 1: question calls.
Speaker 2: First and foremost in the science side of things. AI
Speaker 2: will improve our ability to make predictions and decisions based
Speaker 2: on on scientific data. So many things in clinical medicine
Speaker 2: are based on one to ten scales or these these
Speaker 2: linear scales, whereas the true behavior is not a linear behavior,
Speaker 2: and they're they're dummy down into into these uh you know,
Speaker 2: the these non parametric, fuzzy symp systems are dummy down
Speaker 2: into statistics of systems of numbers that don't work, and
Speaker 2: we still use those because no one on the statistician
Speaker 2: side called out the doctors long ago. H So AI
Speaker 2: is a non parametric system. It allows us to take
Speaker 2: different data that is weighted differently. It allows us to
Speaker 2: assign weights to data and it's self assigns. That's the
Speaker 2: beauty of it. So pattern recognition and medicine is the key.
Speaker 2: AI is going to help us with that. It's going
Speaker 2: to help us figure out more difficult things, difficult patterns
Speaker 2: or things that fall out of a pattern is a pattern,
Speaker 2: so you know that's important It's also helps us take
Speaker 2: large amounts of data. You know, some people come to
Speaker 2: me in a doc. I've been sick for years. I've
Speaker 2: seen twenty doctors. Here's a big stack of records. If
Speaker 2: you review these, you'll have a better sense of what's
Speaker 2: going on with me. And that's you know, it's gargantuane work.
Speaker 2: That's hours and hours of work that you don't get
Speaker 2: reimbursed for. So so you could drop those into an
Speaker 2: AI and say, summarize these and you know, don't leave
Speaker 2: anything out, and you know, there's a lot that will
Speaker 2: save us time and figuring out patients. And on the
Speaker 2: therapeutic side, think about designing new enzymes and proteins and
Speaker 2: medications for problems or peptides which is you know, growing
Speaker 2: so fast. That's that's really the fun stuff, right, Design
Speaker 2: me the best peptide that that binds and blocks this
Speaker 2: receptor and causes people to be happy all the time,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean you could get that right.
Speaker 1: So and is II being uh is it being embraced
Speaker 1: by the broader medical community. I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: bit of division or a bit of polarization. Some people
Speaker 1: are like running with it. Some people think it's dangerous.
Speaker 1: Is there a general vibe in the medical community, Now,
Speaker 1: that's fair what you're saying there. I think there is.
Speaker 2: There is embracement of the technology because most people understand
Speaker 2: the power of it. There are still those old fashioned
Speaker 2: guys and gals who think it's witchcraft. But that's okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, open minds are the ones that
Speaker 2: pushed the boundaries to help find and foster new ideas
Speaker 2: that for success. So I think all in all, it's
Speaker 2: it's here to stay, it's coming, it's getting better and better.
Speaker 2: You know, we're using it for like a medical transcription,
Speaker 2: so I don't have to type my notes or rely
Speaker 2: on someone that's very expensive to type them up. I
Speaker 2: can use an audio AI processor to try to understand
Speaker 2: my big words by big medical words, which is way
Speaker 2: better than me trying to write them down because my
Speaker 2: handwriting is miserable.
Speaker 1: Well, those days of fast disappearing where you're going to
Speaker 1: actually have to use a pen and piper. I think
Speaker 1: we spoke a little bit before about the speaking of
Speaker 1: technology using apps and trackers and the like. Can you
Speaker 1: tell I don't think we told Jeff the story. Just quickly,
Speaker 1: your blood sugar monitor story. Yes, and the subsequent spiral
Speaker 1: tiff Nelly talked herself into it.
Speaker 3: Oh so suggestible put me under hypnosis in a heartbeat.
Speaker 3: I got one of the continuous blood glucose monitors, Jeff,
Speaker 3: because I was interested in looking at what my cookies
Speaker 3: due to my blood sugar, so I would have ehter
Speaker 3: data to convince myself not to have them so frequently.
Speaker 3: And by the second day, I realized that I was
Speaker 3: frequently dipping into hyperglycemia. That's the low blood sugar, isn't
Speaker 3: it hypoglassic I was dipping down, and then as I
Speaker 3: watched every night, I was going dropping down and staying
Speaker 3: in that red rat. I was so traumatic, but in
Speaker 3: no time I felt like I felt sick. I felt
Speaker 3: I was so I went from starting to feel good
Speaker 3: to feeling exhausted and horrific. And then just before booking
Speaker 3: an endochronologist, I thought, I'll just duck up to the
Speaker 3: chemist and I'll get myself a finger prick test, and
Speaker 3: the glucose monitor was completely off.
Speaker 1: We tell him what you said, tell him what your
Speaker 1: actual score was, and tell him what the monitor said.
Speaker 3: So it was dropping below three yeah, two point nine
Speaker 3: to three, and the monitor was like five five to six.
Speaker 2: Okay, we go off different units here, but I can
Speaker 2: see the relative value of that. Now the device you had,
Speaker 2: did it? Was it one you put on your arm
Speaker 2: and it pricked your arm? And okay, was it calibrated properly?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a method to calibrate these things,
Speaker 2: because usually those work pretty well. Something must have gone
Speaker 2: wrong because I thought that with this hypoglycemia, the only
Speaker 2: way to solve it was to have more cookies.
Speaker 3: Well, I started eating oats before bed every night. I
Speaker 3: put a lot three kilos in a week.
Speaker 1: But you know what was funny was before that, right,
Speaker 1: you kind of put the monitor on as more a
Speaker 1: curiosity than any kind of you know, strategy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then and you were feeling fine, and then you
Speaker 1: didn't change any behavior. But then the monitor told you
Speaker 1: that something bad was going on, which actually wasn't going on,
Speaker 1: but you believed the data, not your own instinctive kind
Speaker 1: of you know, like your body is like fine, but
Speaker 1: this fucking piece of this gadget's telling you you're not fine.
Speaker 1: And then you believe the gadget and you actually became sick.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was so exhausted.
Speaker 1: Afternoon. You are very very easily like, how suggestible you
Speaker 1: very No.
Speaker 2: No, The beauty here is she had to go all
Speaker 2: the way to get a continuous glucose monitor because she
Speaker 2: wanted to make sure that what she knew about having
Speaker 2: too many cookies was actually the wrong it was actually
Speaker 2: a good concept. She could have just she could have
Speaker 2: just gone with her gut. Then don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you just don't eat the cookies.
Speaker 1: You've got the fastest metabolism in Australia.
Speaker 2: It's a problem.
Speaker 3: Do you just eat the cookies?
Speaker 1: I mean she puts on muscle like a boode that's
Speaker 1: on gear. I mean, it's so ridiculous. Yeah, imagine if
Speaker 1: you did do something of an anabolic nature, we'd have
Speaker 1: to call you Dave by about Wednesday. Speaking of gizmo's
Speaker 1: and gadgets, are there any health or or are there
Speaker 1: any gadgets that are being used in integrative medicine or
Speaker 1: biohacking that are kind of emergent? Doc? Is there any
Speaker 1: fun tech stuff that's happening?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Where do we start? So let's let's start with
Speaker 2: photobiomodulation infrared anti inflammatory panels. They make they make a
Speaker 2: helmet to help stimulate hair growth. Probably too late for you,
Speaker 2: but most most people, well just messing with you.
Speaker 1: That's another twenty percent off your feet.
Speaker 2: The uh. You can do a pulse electromagnetic field MATT
Speaker 2: also another use of electromagnetic uh, you know forces. They
Speaker 2: have vibration plates which you know, certain vibrations and even
Speaker 2: sound and harmonics are stimulate, stimulating, you know, useful activities
Speaker 2: within our cells. You also want to remove electromagnetic fields.
Speaker 2: At other times, you can do a grounding matress pad
Speaker 2: where you take the electric electricity out of your system.
Speaker 2: You can ground in the on the earth with your
Speaker 2: bare feet. Yeah, there's this tech called sunlight. We're supposed
Speaker 2: to get sunlight on our body, not too much, but
Speaker 2: also not too little, not just on our exposed areas.
Speaker 2: Youve got to go out there and expose yourself a bit.
Speaker 1: We've got is that why Tiff goes to the top
Speaker 1: of the mountain and puts a butt towards the sky.
Speaker 2: Well, apparently there's a whole group of people who expose
Speaker 2: their privates to the sun now and there. Apparently is
Speaker 2: very good for reproductive health and all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: So did you know that, Tiff. That's why I said
Speaker 1: that that's actually true. These people go out and they
Speaker 1: stick their their buttthole, they're they just point it to
Speaker 1: that's the sun. Yeah, that's right, just just sticking there
Speaker 1: a nurse up towards the sun. So so don't come
Speaker 1: over today between one and two. Imagine if you're out
Speaker 1: doing a bushwalk and you just climb over the top
Speaker 1: of the hill and they are a twenty people in
Speaker 1: a paddock doing that.
Speaker 2: That's the moon is facing the sun. So more back
Speaker 2: to the health tech, if we're being on this vision
Speaker 2: is you know the wearable health tech I think is great.
Speaker 2: You can really track things, whether it's an Apple watch,
Speaker 2: whoop band garment, or a ring. All these new rings
Speaker 2: are coming out now with more enhanced I think they
Speaker 2: got one ring I just ordered that charges itself on
Speaker 2: your body heat. So I haven't tested it out yet,
Speaker 2: but that makes sense. And they you know, we're going
Speaker 2: to have they're available a little bit that they've got
Speaker 2: these health monitoring clothes. They can check the electrolytes in
Speaker 2: your sweat and different things pH and and you know
Speaker 2: they've got things for toilets they measure what's in your
Speaker 2: urine and other waste products coming. They've got new little
Speaker 2: blood test devices where you can you can through micro
Speaker 2: fluid channels take a little prick of blood and measure
Speaker 2: quite a few things. You know, through a device you
Speaker 2: might have at home, or if you're a biohacker, you
Speaker 2: can check different things. And there are you know, besides
Speaker 2: the the the electromagnetic suits you can wear when you
Speaker 2: exercise to stimulate the muscles. You can use katsu bands,
Speaker 2: you know, the the compression bands on the muscles to
Speaker 2: take some of the blood float, get to failure quicker.
Speaker 2: And I'm just scratching the surface. You know, there are
Speaker 2: these we participate in these conferences they have here in
Speaker 2: the States and probably not just the states where they
Speaker 2: spoil this health tech. And it's it's just the ideas
Speaker 2: are amazing. What's out there?
Speaker 1: Do you follow that guide? Tif? Ben Greenfield's name, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like he's full on a he's not a doctor
Speaker 1: or any I think he's got a master's in something,
Speaker 1: but he's very he's in the mix. There isn't he doc?
Speaker 1: Am I thinking that the right guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You are. He's he's a very big biohacker. He's
Speaker 2: very active guy, doing lots of different things. He's out
Speaker 2: there a lot, a lot to be learned from his
Speaker 2: experiment self experimentation for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always wonder like the you know, how he is.
Speaker 1: How some people like really kind of consciously and strategically
Speaker 1: manage their health in an intelligent way, you know, make
Speaker 1: the decisions try and you know, turn off screens two
Speaker 1: hours before bed, all the kind of you know, sleep well,
Speaker 1: move well, you know, micro macro. And then there are
Speaker 1: other people who more worry about their health. And then
Speaker 1: it's almost like it moves sometimes from being like a
Speaker 1: discipline and a protocol and a strategy that works to
Speaker 1: an obsession that creates anxiety and stress. And so I'm
Speaker 1: probably one of those people where I need to be
Speaker 1: careful that I don't get obsessed with everything, you know,
Speaker 1: Like otherwise it goes from like I weigh my breakfast
Speaker 1: every morning, like I have certain ingredients and I just
Speaker 1: know where I have this many grams of this, this
Speaker 1: many grams of that. But I need to be careful that,
Speaker 1: like because sometimes I'll take one nut on or add
Speaker 1: you know, remove, or I'm like, what am I fucking doing?
Speaker 1: It's one gram and I have to catch myself. I
Speaker 1: think there's a time where it's like you move from
Speaker 1: being like disciplined and focused and kind of organized to
Speaker 1: being obsessed. I wonder where that line is, and I
Speaker 1: wonder how we recognize when we're stepping into. You know,
Speaker 1: now I'm creating I'm creating stress and anxiety around. All
Speaker 1: of this in itself is bad for my health.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because you're aware of it, you're probably
Speaker 2: safe from suffering it. Yeah, it is a thing. We
Speaker 2: see that the paralysis by analysis and stress by analysis,
Speaker 2: and well, you know, you're spending your whole day analyzing
Speaker 2: and you're not actually doing anything.
Speaker 1: So if people are not exercising, I know you're not
Speaker 1: the exercise guy, but you kind of are. I mean,
Speaker 1: you work out yourself, and you're in this space people
Speaker 1: are doing not much like other than just general movement,
Speaker 1: kind of incidental activity, maybe a bit of occupational activity.
Speaker 1: Would you prioritize strength over cardio or cardio over strength
Speaker 1: if somebody was and I know we want both, but
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: I think longevity requires muscle mouse So I probably go
Speaker 2: with strength over cry of vascular because you do use
Speaker 2: your cardiovascular system when you're doing strength training. You don't
Speaker 2: necessarily you build strength when you're doing cardiovascular training.
Speaker 1: I picked you, what's your protocol? How many dies awake?
Speaker 1: Are you lifting heavy stuff? Oh?
Speaker 2: Gosh, when I'm well behaved, it's plates three days. I
Speaker 2: don't know that I call that heavy, but it is.
Speaker 2: It is weight bearing of sorts, and it's I work
Speaker 2: the stabilizers and things like that, and then the other
Speaker 2: three days when behaved is heavy. One set to failure
Speaker 2: workout mixed with twenty to thirty minutes of interval high
Speaker 2: intensity low intensity cardio, up and down, up and down.
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you, in terms of your own
Speaker 1: kind of protocol have changed? Well done A one id
Speaker 1: on over the last side deck?
Speaker 2: Ye oh yeah, yeah. I mean I used to think
Speaker 2: that you had to do more reps, you know, to
Speaker 2: get muscles. That's not the case, you know, because then
Speaker 2: you're just doing reps and you're not necessarily working to failure.
Speaker 2: I used to think cardio was was also time on
Speaker 2: the treadmill, or time running or time bicycling or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's not. It's more about strategic intervals and things. And
Speaker 2: you know what, you can build your cardiovascular system in
Speaker 2: a hot Sama just sitting there, So there are otherwise
Speaker 2: to work on your cardiovascular system. I used to think
Speaker 2: that Ploate's was for the ladies, and.
Speaker 1: I I'm glad you've done the one idea on that,
Speaker 1: but all consers.
Speaker 2: It's quite good. I mean really, I have definitions and
Speaker 2: muscle fibers in places I've never had them. You know,
Speaker 2: you look at the leg and you could, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember studying that one in medical school.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Although it's pretty cool. So those are some of the things.
Speaker 1: I What do you do do you do reformer PLARTI
Speaker 1: is that like right in the bed?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do a class usually five or seven people,
Speaker 2: and we try to go early and get it out
Speaker 2: of the way and get some energy for the day.
Speaker 2: That really gives me a mental boost, I think as
Speaker 2: well the blood flow or something.
Speaker 1: And what's your like for you personally? What's your optimal
Speaker 1: time of day for say training or working out versus
Speaker 1: cognitive performance? Like my my brain, my brain seems to
Speaker 1: work better between when I get out of bed and
Speaker 1: about three. That seems to be when I'm the smartest.
Speaker 2: I agree, I am more motivated, more, I get more
Speaker 2: done in shorter time. In the first half of the
Speaker 2: day mentally, However, historically, I love you know, something about
Speaker 2: that late afternoon sun that says beautiful, Well, let's go
Speaker 2: for a run. So getting up in the morning was
Speaker 2: and getting to the gym, and it has been something
Speaker 2: we've done in the last year. Yeah, at the insistence
Speaker 2: of my wife is like, come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 2: I'm fine, Okay, let's do it. And now I'm kind
Speaker 2: of used to it. And if I though, if I
Speaker 2: were left to my own devices, I probably go in
Speaker 2: the afternoon to the gym. When my brain is done
Speaker 2: for the day, I go to the gym and then
Speaker 2: you know, that's my destressed time. I can relax. That's
Speaker 2: my relaxing. It's better than sitting in front of the TV.
Speaker 1: Is your job stressful? I mean I know that, I
Speaker 1: know that you're dealing with complicated medical issues and people
Speaker 1: with real problems, But is the does it stress you?
Speaker 1: Or do you? Are you kind of, for one of
Speaker 1: a better term, immune to that. Like I do a
Speaker 1: lot of work, but I don't get stressed in my work.
Speaker 2: I aside from this challenging podcast, I do with this
Speaker 2: slow and understandably. Yeah, I you know, remember I'm I'm
Speaker 2: recovering neurosurgeon, so stress to me was an aneurysm rupturing
Speaker 2: in my face while before I clipped it. Or you know,
Speaker 2: someone dropping their blood pressure on the operating room table
Speaker 2: when I'm trying to finish the surgery. That's stress. So
Speaker 2: everything else is a bit. I'm well adapted to everything else.
Speaker 2: Can there be stress? Yeah, when I get behind with
Speaker 2: patients in a day and I've got I'm backed up
Speaker 2: and I'm making people wait, I get a little uh.
Speaker 2: I get a little stress, but nothing I can't handle.
Speaker 2: There The other stresses out there are more social, the
Speaker 2: haters on the internet who who aren't ready for prime
Speaker 2: time with regenerative medicine. There are a lot of bad
Speaker 2: behaviors out there in people who are either not loved
Speaker 2: by their parents or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like as we get well, for me anyway,
Speaker 1: as I get older, ironically, i'm more interested in I'm
Speaker 1: interested in my body working well. I'm interested in strength
Speaker 1: and bone density and posture and you know, cardiovascular health
Speaker 1: and all of those things. But I'm most interested for
Speaker 1: me in cognitive performance, just because I need my brain
Speaker 1: to work optimally because of all the stuff that I do,
Speaker 1: and teaching and communicating and problem solving and working with
Speaker 1: audiences big and small. What what should what could? What
Speaker 1: could people think about in terms of other than all
Speaker 1: the normal stuff like learning and you know, giving themselves
Speaker 1: cognitive tasks. Are there any supplements or anything that people
Speaker 1: can use that might help the way their brain works
Speaker 1: that that kind of get the doctor Jeff tick.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm very big on adaptogens, like some of
Speaker 2: the mushrooms out there, not those funny ones, Tiff, but
Speaker 2: the uh.
Speaker 1: The well then Tiff just switched off.
Speaker 2: I figured the lion's main shaga, you know, some of
Speaker 2: the ratie, some of some of the the you know,
Speaker 2: pro pro cerebral ones are very good. There are other
Speaker 2: neutropic stimulants that people take that can be useful. You know.
Speaker 2: The nootropic world is huge and you can look online.
Speaker 2: People are using all kinds of things for mental stimulation. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, and getting more out of that. You know. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's a drug here in America we use for nausea
Speaker 2: called zofran is the brand name. Do you guys have Zofran?
Speaker 1: I haven't, I haven't heard of it.
Speaker 2: But on danceatron is the generic okay, and on Danceatron
Speaker 2: was originally studied as is a cognitive enhancer. So you
Speaker 2: you would take some in dance tron and go study
Speaker 2: for your test if you're a student, and and then
Speaker 2: uh later, you know, you you would maybe take some
Speaker 2: of the time of the test and you would have
Speaker 2: better results. So that's that's the kind of thing that
Speaker 2: that we've seen there.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that. Usually usually the things that we
Speaker 1: find out have some kind of cognitive benefit or neutropic effect.
Speaker 1: It's almost like that's an accident. Well, that's just a
Speaker 1: you know, like with my define which is that anti
Speaker 1: Noocalypsey drug, Well, that nocalypsy drug, I should say, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the brand I don't know what the
Speaker 1: actual name of that is, but the brand name in
Speaker 1: Australia is my definite. Have you heard of that?
Speaker 2: Definitely we have that too, which is actually used as
Speaker 2: a longevity drug.
Speaker 1: Now really really yeah, I want to ask you about that.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about it. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you about that off air because I don't want
Speaker 1: people jumping on any protocol. Yeah, that's bloody amazing, And
Speaker 1: what about here's my last one just for you in
Speaker 1: terms of before we wind up. So stimulants like coffee, tea,
Speaker 1: what's your theory on that? Is that just an individual thing?
Speaker 1: How many coffees people can have and not kind of
Speaker 1: fuck up their nervous system or keep them awake or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is individualized. You know. I have people that
Speaker 2: can drink a pot of coffee and go to sleep.
Speaker 2: I have other people that you know, you can't touch
Speaker 2: it after two pm, it'll be up all night. So
Speaker 2: it's it's highly individualized. And how's to do with the
Speaker 2: speed in which you metabolize caffeine into its next molecule
Speaker 2: in the chain of being broken down, which is called parizanthine.
Speaker 2: Paris Anthene is the next pathway from the breakdown of caffeine,
Speaker 2: theobromine which you find in like chocolate, and one other
Speaker 2: methyls antheine. I can't remember the name of it top
Speaker 2: of my head. So some people suggest instead of having
Speaker 2: a caffeine drink, if you want a more stable profile,
Speaker 2: not that spike and then crash. They actually now make
Speaker 2: paraxanthine drinks, so you skip that caffeine step. Because that
Speaker 2: caffeine metabolism step is variable, and how fast you break it.
Speaker 1: Down parazan thinge what all right?
Speaker 2: Xantheine with an ax okaya x a N paraxanthine and
Speaker 2: that's uh. If you look up the biochemistry as a
Speaker 2: theobromine from chocolate and they all so so why don't
Speaker 2: you give dogs chocolate as they metabolize that into the
Speaker 2: paraz aanthein. It's too much of a cardiac stimulant for them.
Speaker 1: There you go, speaking dogs, tiss. Little puppy is not well.
Speaker 1: So she's about to head off to the vet, aren't you. Yes,
Speaker 1: well you can take her into the vet now and
Speaker 1: ring me later and tell me how she is. Tell
Speaker 1: us how she is. Doctor Jeff will say goodbye, Fair
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Speaker 1: despite all the piss taking. Thanks for taking the time
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