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Speaker 1: Again, I tell him it's the bloody you project. Doctor

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Speaker 1: that straight after the show. Tiff, what's it like being

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Speaker 1: I haven't quite it seems to be a common occurrence.

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Speaker 1: what else? I hate when I go out and people

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Speaker 1: I go fucked if? Like, hey, fuck t iif? Good? Ay, Doc,

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Speaker 2: Listen? I am here to enjoy the entertaining witty nonsense

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that is who she is. What time

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Speaker 1: Well give you up, but a cup? Are you at work.

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Speaker 1: Are you seeing patients today? What are you up to?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And full disclosure, I was late to our get

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate your your your understanding, and only dockumy

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Speaker 1: It's a cricket term that you won't understand. But let's

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Speaker 1: I've spoken a bit about biological age. Is it possible

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Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt. So biological age is probably more

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Speaker 1: Imagine that, Tiff. Imagine downloading your consciousness into some kind

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Speaker 1: But you know what was funny was before that, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you just don't eat the cookies.

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Speaker 1: a nurse up towards the sun. So so don't come

435
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Speaker 1: over today between one and two. Imagine if you're out

436
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: doing a bushwalk and you just climb over the top

437
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: of the hill and they are a twenty people in

438
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: a paddock doing that.

439
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: That's the moon is facing the sun. So more back

440
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: to the health tech, if we're being on this vision

441
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: is you know the wearable health tech I think is great.

442
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: You can really track things, whether it's an Apple watch,

443
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: whoop band garment, or a ring. All these new rings

444
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: are coming out now with more enhanced I think they

445
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: got one ring I just ordered that charges itself on

446
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: your body heat. So I haven't tested it out yet,

447
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: but that makes sense. And they you know, we're going

448
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: to have they're available a little bit that they've got

449
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: these health monitoring clothes. They can check the electrolytes in

450
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: your sweat and different things pH and and you know

451
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: they've got things for toilets they measure what's in your

452
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: urine and other waste products coming. They've got new little

453
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: blood test devices where you can you can through micro

454
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: fluid channels take a little prick of blood and measure

455
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: quite a few things. You know, through a device you

456
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: might have at home, or if you're a biohacker, you

457
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: can check different things. And there are you know, besides

458
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: the the the electromagnetic suits you can wear when you

459
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: exercise to stimulate the muscles. You can use katsu bands,

460
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: you know, the the compression bands on the muscles to

461
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: take some of the blood float, get to failure quicker.

462
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: And I'm just scratching the surface. You know, there are

463
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: these we participate in these conferences they have here in

464
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: the States and probably not just the states where they

465
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: spoil this health tech. And it's it's just the ideas

466
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: are amazing. What's out there?

467
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: Do you follow that guide? Tif? Ben Greenfield's name, Yeah,

468
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: he's like he's full on a he's not a doctor

469
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: or any I think he's got a master's in something,

470
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: but he's very he's in the mix. There isn't he doc?

471
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: Am I thinking that the right guy?

472
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? You are. He's he's a very big biohacker. He's

473
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: very active guy, doing lots of different things. He's out

474
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: there a lot, a lot to be learned from his

475
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: experiment self experimentation for sure.

476
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always wonder like the you know, how he is.

477
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: How some people like really kind of consciously and strategically

478
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: manage their health in an intelligent way, you know, make

479
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: the decisions try and you know, turn off screens two

480
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: hours before bed, all the kind of you know, sleep well,

481
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: move well, you know, micro macro. And then there are

482
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: other people who more worry about their health. And then

483
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: it's almost like it moves sometimes from being like a

484
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: discipline and a protocol and a strategy that works to

485
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: an obsession that creates anxiety and stress. And so I'm

486
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: probably one of those people where I need to be

487
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: careful that I don't get obsessed with everything, you know,

488
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: Like otherwise it goes from like I weigh my breakfast

489
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: every morning, like I have certain ingredients and I just

490
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: know where I have this many grams of this, this

491
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: many grams of that. But I need to be careful that,

492
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: like because sometimes I'll take one nut on or add

493
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, remove, or I'm like, what am I fucking doing?

494
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: It's one gram and I have to catch myself. I

495
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: think there's a time where it's like you move from

496
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: being like disciplined and focused and kind of organized to

497
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: being obsessed. I wonder where that line is, and I

498
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: wonder how we recognize when we're stepping into. You know,

499
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: now I'm creating I'm creating stress and anxiety around. All

500
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: of this in itself is bad for my health.

501
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because you're aware of it, you're probably

502
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: safe from suffering it. Yeah, it is a thing. We

503
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: see that the paralysis by analysis and stress by analysis,

504
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: and well, you know, you're spending your whole day analyzing

505
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: and you're not actually doing anything.

506
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: So if people are not exercising, I know you're not

507
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: the exercise guy, but you kind of are. I mean,

508
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: you work out yourself, and you're in this space people

509
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: are doing not much like other than just general movement,

510
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: kind of incidental activity, maybe a bit of occupational activity.

511
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: Would you prioritize strength over cardio or cardio over strength

512
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: if somebody was and I know we want both, but

513
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: for you.

514
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: I think longevity requires muscle mouse So I probably go

515
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: with strength over cry of vascular because you do use

516
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: your cardiovascular system when you're doing strength training. You don't

517
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: necessarily you build strength when you're doing cardiovascular training.

518
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: I picked you, what's your protocol? How many dies awake?

519
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Are you lifting heavy stuff? Oh?

520
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: Gosh, when I'm well behaved, it's plates three days. I

521
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: don't know that I call that heavy, but it is.

522
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: It is weight bearing of sorts, and it's I work

523
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: the stabilizers and things like that, and then the other

524
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: three days when behaved is heavy. One set to failure

525
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: workout mixed with twenty to thirty minutes of interval high

526
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: intensity low intensity cardio, up and down, up and down.

527
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you, in terms of your own

528
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: kind of protocol have changed? Well done A one id

529
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Speaker 1: on over the last side deck?

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Speaker 2: Ye oh yeah, yeah. I mean I used to think

531
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: that you had to do more reps, you know, to

532
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: get muscles. That's not the case, you know, because then

533
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 2: you're just doing reps and you're not necessarily working to failure.

534
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: I used to think cardio was was also time on

535
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 2: the treadmill, or time running or time bicycling or whatever.

536
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: It's not. It's more about strategic intervals and things. And

537
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: you know what, you can build your cardiovascular system in

538
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: a hot Sama just sitting there, So there are otherwise

539
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 2: to work on your cardiovascular system. I used to think

540
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: that Ploate's was for the ladies, and.

541
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Speaker 1: I I'm glad you've done the one idea on that,

542
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: but all consers.

543
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: It's quite good. I mean really, I have definitions and

544
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: muscle fibers in places I've never had them. You know,

545
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: you look at the leg and you could, oh, yeah,

546
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: I remember studying that one in medical school.

547
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

548
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: Although it's pretty cool. So those are some of the things.

549
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: I What do you do do you do reformer PLARTI

550
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: is that like right in the bed?

551
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do a class usually five or seven people,

552
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: and we try to go early and get it out

553
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: of the way and get some energy for the day.

554
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: That really gives me a mental boost, I think as

555
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: well the blood flow or something.

556
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: And what's your like for you personally? What's your optimal

557
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: time of day for say training or working out versus

558
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: cognitive performance? Like my my brain, my brain seems to

559
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: work better between when I get out of bed and

560
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: about three. That seems to be when I'm the smartest.

561
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: I agree, I am more motivated, more, I get more

562
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: done in shorter time. In the first half of the

563
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 2: day mentally, However, historically, I love you know, something about

564
00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: that late afternoon sun that says beautiful, Well, let's go

565
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: for a run. So getting up in the morning was

566
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: and getting to the gym, and it has been something

567
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: we've done in the last year. Yeah, at the insistence

568
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: of my wife is like, come on, come on, come on.

569
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm fine, Okay, let's do it. And now I'm kind

570
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: of used to it. And if I though, if I

571
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: were left to my own devices, I probably go in

572
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: the afternoon to the gym. When my brain is done

573
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: for the day, I go to the gym and then

574
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: you know, that's my destressed time. I can relax. That's

575
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: my relaxing. It's better than sitting in front of the TV.

576
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: Is your job stressful? I mean I know that, I

577
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: know that you're dealing with complicated medical issues and people

578
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: with real problems, But is the does it stress you?

579
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: Or do you? Are you kind of, for one of

580
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: a better term, immune to that. Like I do a

581
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: lot of work, but I don't get stressed in my work.

582
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: I aside from this challenging podcast, I do with this

583
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: slow and understandably. Yeah, I you know, remember I'm I'm

584
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: recovering neurosurgeon, so stress to me was an aneurysm rupturing

585
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: in my face while before I clipped it. Or you know,

586
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: someone dropping their blood pressure on the operating room table

587
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: when I'm trying to finish the surgery. That's stress. So

588
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: everything else is a bit. I'm well adapted to everything else.

589
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: Can there be stress? Yeah, when I get behind with

590
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: patients in a day and I've got I'm backed up

591
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: and I'm making people wait, I get a little uh.

592
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: I get a little stress, but nothing I can't handle.

593
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: There The other stresses out there are more social, the

594
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 2: haters on the internet who who aren't ready for prime

595
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 2: time with regenerative medicine. There are a lot of bad

596
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: behaviors out there in people who are either not loved

597
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: by their parents or something. I don't know.

598
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: I feel like as we get well, for me anyway,

599
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: as I get older, ironically, i'm more interested in I'm

600
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: interested in my body working well. I'm interested in strength

601
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: and bone density and posture and you know, cardiovascular health

602
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: and all of those things. But I'm most interested for

603
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: me in cognitive performance, just because I need my brain

604
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: to work optimally because of all the stuff that I do,

605
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: and teaching and communicating and problem solving and working with

606
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: audiences big and small. What what should what could? What

607
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: could people think about in terms of other than all

608
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: the normal stuff like learning and you know, giving themselves

609
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: cognitive tasks. Are there any supplements or anything that people

610
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: can use that might help the way their brain works

611
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: that that kind of get the doctor Jeff tick.

612
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm very big on adaptogens, like some of

613
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: the mushrooms out there, not those funny ones, Tiff, but

614
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: the uh.

615
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: The well then Tiff just switched off.

616
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: I figured the lion's main shaga, you know, some of

617
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: the ratie, some of some of the the you know,

618
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: pro pro cerebral ones are very good. There are other

619
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: neutropic stimulants that people take that can be useful. You know.

620
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: The nootropic world is huge and you can look online.

621
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: People are using all kinds of things for mental stimulation. Uh,

622
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: you know, and getting more out of that. You know. Uh,

623
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: there's a drug here in America we use for nausea

624
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: called zofran is the brand name. Do you guys have Zofran?

625
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: I haven't, I haven't heard of it.

626
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: But on danceatron is the generic okay, and on Danceatron

627
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 2: was originally studied as is a cognitive enhancer. So you

628
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: you would take some in dance tron and go study

629
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: for your test if you're a student, and and then

630
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: uh later, you know, you you would maybe take some

631
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: of the time of the test and you would have

632
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 2: better results. So that's that's the kind of thing that

633
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: that we've seen there.

634
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: I can't believe that. Usually usually the things that we

635
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: find out have some kind of cognitive benefit or neutropic effect.

636
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: It's almost like that's an accident. Well, that's just a

637
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, like with my define which is that anti

638
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: Noocalypsey drug, Well, that nocalypsy drug, I should say, I

639
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: don't know what the brand I don't know what the

640
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: actual name of that is, but the brand name in

641
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: Australia is my definite. Have you heard of that?

642
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: Definitely we have that too, which is actually used as

643
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: a longevity drug.

644
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: Now really really yeah, I want to ask you about that.

645
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about it. I want to

646
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: ask you about that off air because I don't want

647
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: people jumping on any protocol. Yeah, that's bloody amazing, And

648
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: what about here's my last one just for you in

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Speaker 1: terms of before we wind up. So stimulants like coffee, tea,

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Speaker 1: what's your theory on that? Is that just an individual thing?

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Speaker 1: How many coffees people can have and not kind of

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Speaker 1: fuck up their nervous system or keep them awake or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is individualized. You know. I have people that

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Speaker 2: I have other people that you know, you can't touch

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Speaker 2: it after two pm, it'll be up all night. So

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Speaker 2: it's it's highly individualized. And how's to do with the

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Speaker 2: speed in which you metabolize caffeine into its next molecule

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Speaker 2: in the chain of being broken down, which is called parizanthine.

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Speaker 2: Paris Anthene is the next pathway from the breakdown of caffeine,

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Speaker 2: theobromine which you find in like chocolate, and one other

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Speaker 2: methyls antheine. I can't remember the name of it top

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Speaker 2: of my head. So some people suggest instead of having

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Speaker 2: not that spike and then crash. They actually now make

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Speaker 2: paraxanthine drinks, so you skip that caffeine step. Because that

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Speaker 2: caffeine metabolism step is variable, and how fast you break it.

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Speaker 1: Down parazan thinge what all right?

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Speaker 2: Xantheine with an ax okaya x a N paraxanthine and

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Speaker 2: that's uh. If you look up the biochemistry as a

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Speaker 2: theobromine from chocolate and they all so so why don't

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Speaker 2: you give dogs chocolate as they metabolize that into the

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Speaker 2: paraz aanthein. It's too much of a cardiac stimulant for them.

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Speaker 1: There you go, speaking dogs, tiss. Little puppy is not well.

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Speaker 1: So she's about to head off to the vet, aren't you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: well you can take her into the vet now and

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Speaker 1: ring me later and tell me how she is. Tell

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Speaker 1: us how she is. Doctor Jeff will say goodbye, Fair

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Speaker 1: But we love we love you, and we love having

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Speaker 1: you on the show, and our audience loves you and

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you. So thanks for taking the time out

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Speaker 1: despite all the piss taking. Thanks for taking the time

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Speaker 1: out to connect with us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for again having me on the show. And

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Speaker 2: for the listeners out there. I'm only getting twenty five

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Speaker 2: percent of zero for this, so if you feel I

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Speaker 2: deserve more, please write in send us a message. James.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a vote. Maybe we can we can raise

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Speaker 2: myself back to fifty percent of zero.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I may even give you a raise,

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Speaker 1: so zero plus fifty percent. Moving forward, we'll have to

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Speaker 1: renew your contract. Get your lawyers to call my lawyers,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see what we can make happen. We'll talk offair,

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Speaker 1: but thanks, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Always take care