WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 3 July

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live well, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Caleb if you want to, but it does have my

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<v Speaker 1>name on it, So if you want to somehow refill

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<v Speaker 1>it and bring it back, good luck. But otherwise the

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<v Speaker 1>joy your week off, Thank you made all right. There

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<v Speaker 1>is some breaking news that is happening right now and

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<v Speaker 1>it is to do with the entire Donald Trump agenda

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<v Speaker 1>making its way through the United States Congress their version

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<v Speaker 1>of parliament. Now as we speak, we have this bloke speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>one more speaker being the House of Representatives speaker, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there will be a vote. Now, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans in order to get the big beautiful bill through

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<v Speaker 1>the parliament, they can only lose three of their own

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<v Speaker 1>because the numbers are so tight. But the bit that

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<v Speaker 1>is the breaking news is this guy. Now, this guy's

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<v Speaker 1>name is Hakeem Jeffries. My apologies. He's a Congressman from

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<v Speaker 1>New York. He replaced Nancy Pelosi as the leader of

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats. He has been speaking already for more than

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<v Speaker 1>two hours now. He is literally listing every problem that

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<v Speaker 1>he has with the bill. He's reading as many emails

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<v Speaker 1>as possible, and as you can see, he's got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more notes, So I might make a bold prediction here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope I'm wrong. I think he might be

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<v Speaker 1>trying to go for the record. Now I check this

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<v Speaker 1>just before we came on air. The record for the

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<v Speaker 1>longest speech in the history of the lower house of

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<v Speaker 1>the American Parliament, the Congress is five hours. So if

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<v Speaker 1>he's been going for two, does he go into the

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<v Speaker 1>no man's land of three or four? Or is he

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to run a marathon? Because right now

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<v Speaker 1>it is seven am in Washington, which means at seven

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<v Speaker 1>am in New York, and that means the vast bulk

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<v Speaker 1>of people watching breakfast television every time they are crossing

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<v Speaker 1>back every fifteen minutes like a breakfast TV show would

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<v Speaker 1>it is showing this speech. So this bloke is essentially

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<v Speaker 1>starting the mid term campaign, which is November next year.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the one who wants to be the next speaker.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the Democrat leader who who wants to remember, if

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats take over, they can do everything from slow

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<v Speaker 1>the whole process down to beginning an impeachment process that

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<v Speaker 1>of course they've done twice before, and they'd find a

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<v Speaker 1>way easily to do it three, four or five times

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<v Speaker 1>before the twenty twenty eight American election. So the story

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<v Speaker 1>right now is a bloke who is seemingly trying to

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<v Speaker 1>take every moment he can to speak for as long

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<v Speaker 1>as possible to get as many eyeballs on his opposition

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<v Speaker 1>and his party's opposition to the Big Beautiful Bill. They've

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<v Speaker 1>been debating it all the way through the night. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>Congress has essentially been voting either in the lower upper

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<v Speaker 1>House for days and days and days. We are now

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<v Speaker 1>down to this final moment. Now, I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen seconds of what he's speaking about now so he

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<v Speaker 1>can get a little bit of a tempo. And anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who's ever written an essay and is trying to pad

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<v Speaker 1>it out, you can tell when somebody's trying to pad

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<v Speaker 1>it out. You tell me, is this blow coming to

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<v Speaker 1>the end of his speech or do you think he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to go for the five hour record, which was

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<v Speaker 1>set I think in the early nineteen hundreds. Again, fifteen seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>We won't wallow in all of this, won't keep kicking

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<v Speaker 1>back all night with the Big Beautiful Bill, which probably

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<v Speaker 1>will pass and only just but this bloke is going

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<v Speaker 1>to go for history. Currently two and a bit hours

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<v Speaker 1>on his way to five. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>A budget surplus from President Bill Clinton and immediately turned

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<v Speaker 2>around and took that budget surplus and turned it into

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<v Speaker 2>a deficit. Okay, that's explode it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can see he is, in my view, full

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<v Speaker 1>padding mode. If he makes it into our three, well,

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<v Speaker 1>here you go, standing ovations. Go back to this. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>see what he's doing. Is he finishing up? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think so.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's to speak of Republicans are not the party of

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<v Speaker 3>fiscal responsibility. You're the party of fiscal irresponsibility, over and

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<v Speaker 3>over and over again. And now with this bill, you've

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<v Speaker 3>taken it to a whole other level.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's enough, As I say, we will not

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<v Speaker 1>wallow in American politics and the byzantine world of their parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>But there you go a bit of history, perhaps in

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<v Speaker 1>the making, where by the time we're off the air,

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<v Speaker 1>he will be into his third hour, and the history

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<v Speaker 1>as he goes for a drigger water is five hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of other stuff we've got to do tonight on

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<v Speaker 1>Palma Rey Live, including Crana Winner or Loser of the Week.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait till you hear about a court decision which came

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<v Speaker 1>out of South Australia today. You would have thought that

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<v Speaker 1>a crime as bad as the one being discussed would

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<v Speaker 1>result in the maximum amount of time somebody being spent

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<v Speaker 1>in jail. Not the case. We'll get to that, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you like me low Formula one and big News,

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<v Speaker 1>that's happening there as well. We're across everything up, down

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<v Speaker 1>and in between. There is an awful lot to get

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<v Speaker 1>to tonight, including a lot of politics. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>just want to start out with this. If, like many people,

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<v Speaker 1>before you fall asleep, you will end up scrolling through

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<v Speaker 1>your phone and you're not feeling the best. You're often

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<v Speaker 1>start feeling worse because it feels like everyone else on

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<v Speaker 1>social media is having a fantastic time, a fantastic life.

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<v Speaker 1>They're nailing everything, the photos are amazing, they're traveling here,

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<v Speaker 1>there and everywhere, because in many ways, social media is

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<v Speaker 1>a performance. It's a performance about how happy people are,

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<v Speaker 1>have connected, they are, how sad they are out whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is a performance. In the olden days we

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<v Speaker 1>used to say it was keeping up with the Joneses,

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<v Speaker 1>where you buy a new carcass the person down the

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<v Speaker 1>street bought a new car. Well, this is the digital version.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you feel that everyone in the world's having

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<v Speaker 1>a better life than you. Sometimes just sometimes your bad

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<v Speaker 1>day gets worse as a result of that perfect example.

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<v Speaker 1>There is an Australian sporting legend who has been able

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<v Speaker 1>to build quite a successful comedia, a career in the media,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's Leesel Jones. Leesel Jones, of course, is a

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<v Speaker 1>world champion swimmer, multiple Olympic gold medalist, multiple Commonwealth Games medalist,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has had some real struggles when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mental health in the many years since she moved

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<v Speaker 1>from her swimming career to now where she is now.

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<v Speaker 1>You can listen to her on the radio on Triple

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<v Speaker 1>M on the Gold Coast, her and Spider and the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the team Great Breakfast Show. I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to them. But she decided to post something that

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<v Speaker 1>was not a happy picture on social media in the

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<v Speaker 1>past couple of days. This was her having a photo

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<v Speaker 1>from the day before, a day that, by her own admission,

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the worst that she'd had and could

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<v Speaker 1>well have been her last amongst us. Let me read

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<v Speaker 1>from what she posted, Stay until tomorrow. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite sayings. Yesterday was one of my worst days,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to end it all. I think I've

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<v Speaker 1>been battling high functioning depression for a little while now,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've just gone back to work with my sich.

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<v Speaker 1>In the dark moments, I promised myself just to stay

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<v Speaker 1>until tomorrow. And it's amazing what the next day can bring.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the day after the photo that I showed you before,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, was spectacular. I had some free time after

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<v Speaker 1>work and I went for an hour long walk along

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<v Speaker 1>the beach, no goals, no plans, just enjoying the sunshine

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<v Speaker 1>and the view. Missing my walking buddy, but walking by

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<v Speaker 1>myself was enough. It changed my whole perspective on things.

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<v Speaker 1>So if life has felt like it kicks you in

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<v Speaker 1>the lately, promise me you'll stay until tomorrow. This is

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<v Speaker 1>such a special and important message because somebody as successful,

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<v Speaker 1>as powerful, as strong as Lisal Jones is willing to

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<v Speaker 1>be that vulnerable about how tough some of her days

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<v Speaker 1>can be, and on the behalf of everyone who has

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<v Speaker 1>never met her but has admired her work both in

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<v Speaker 1>the media and in the pool. We offer her nothing

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<v Speaker 1>but strength and love. But it's an opportunity for me

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<v Speaker 1>to also to try to reach through the screen here

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<v Speaker 1>that if you are somebody who is feeling as she

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<v Speaker 1>has in the past few days, that message to stay

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<v Speaker 1>until tomorrow is vital. It's really important. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>that there is someone somewhere that is watching us who

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<v Speaker 1>is feeling lonelier than they have ever felt, that it's

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<v Speaker 1>feeling lower than they have ever felt, who is feeling

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<v Speaker 1>like they will not see the sun come up tomorrow. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make a promise to that person, wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you are, that the sun does come up tomorrow, and

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<v Speaker 1>that as tough as it is to put one foot

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the other, even if it is just

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<v Speaker 1>a millimeter, then that itself is a massive achievement. I

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<v Speaker 1>promise that you are loved. I promise that the world

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<v Speaker 1>needs you. I promise that your family and friends are

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<v Speaker 1>better off for you being here. Now. We have days

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<v Speaker 1>like are you Okay Day, and we often talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the importance of reaching out to things like the Kid's

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<v Speaker 1>Help Line or lifeline, and obviously you should. But if

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<v Speaker 1>there is anyone who is feeling what Liesel Jones felt

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<v Speaker 1>this week tonight, may we collectively that being me on

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<v Speaker 1>the Telly and everyone else who is watching right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we're here to offer our hand to pull you through

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<v Speaker 1>to the next day, because the sunrise will be worth it,

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<v Speaker 1>the walk will be worth it. If you're a person

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<v Speaker 1>who does get into these moments, and it may only

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<v Speaker 1>be just a small moment in your life, find a

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<v Speaker 1>song on the radio, find your favorite music from YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>Go and watch some old comedy from way back when,

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<v Speaker 1>because these are the little choices that mean you make

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<v Speaker 1>it to tomorrow. If you make it to tomorrow, then

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<v Speaker 1>you've had a massive win. So again, if you are

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who is as lonely, strength and love. I promise,

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<v Speaker 1>even from a stranger, we love you and we need

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<v Speaker 1>you around. Thank you to Liesel Jones for the bravery

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<v Speaker 1>of which she showed today. That helpline is the lifeline

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<v Speaker 1>number of thirteen eleven fourteen. That's somebody who might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to help you to night, even if you've never

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<v Speaker 1>called that number before. Just ring it, have a chat.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're worried about someone in your life right now,

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<v Speaker 1>call them. Don't wait till tomorrow. If you know somebody

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<v Speaker 1>is just a little bit off, ring them right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares if they're asleep, Because together we pull each

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<v Speaker 1>other through. Together, we step forward. Because this is a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful life to live, even when sometimes it feels as

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<v Speaker 1>tough as it can be. But strength and love, leth

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<v Speaker 1>and strength and love to any and everyone else who

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<v Speaker 1>needs that message, I love you, I honestly do. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>turn to the politics of today, though, what we do

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<v Speaker 1>best here, which is, of course, when we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>public servants. We often think about places like Canberra and

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<v Speaker 1>why wouldn't we heavily populated with them, government departments up

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<v Speaker 1>the yin Yang, here, there and everywhere. They of course

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<v Speaker 1>are our moral best the people, of course, recognized by

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<v Speaker 1>the Warman Royal well and truly, but the people in

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<v Speaker 1>and around other government sites sometimes can be a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit frustrating. Well. As I told you on Sunday, Australia

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<v Speaker 1>has now got one million public servants. Now we're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a million people in the defense force, a

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<v Speaker 1>million people who are at the front end of things.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about a million people who are basically involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the pen pushing the stuff that doesn't really make

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<v Speaker 1>our country a better place, but they go on with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm pleased to say there's been some great reporting

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<v Speaker 1>about this in the past few days. Shane Wright in

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<v Speaker 1>the Channel nine newspapers, and in the Australian newspaper they

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<v Speaker 1>have been focused on via the reporting of Jeff Chambers

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen million bucks. That's how much all of the upper

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<v Speaker 1>echelons of the people around Albo are. And they started

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<v Speaker 1>to jump in here and have a look at the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers of people who are in that ever growing public service.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know there was an election where there was

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<v Speaker 1>some conversation about this, but that doesn't matter. A point

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<v Speaker 1>still stands here, which is since the Australian public service

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<v Speaker 1>levels hit a fourteen year low of one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty four thousand employees at the end of twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>there has been an explosion in federal bureaucracy under the

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<v Speaker 1>Albanese government, who's now taken from one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand to two hundred and thirteen thousand staff going

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<v Speaker 1>into the financial year of this year and next year.

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<v Speaker 1>This nice little chart again from the Australian newspaper shows

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<v Speaker 1>you exactly where that stuff has been. Now they say

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<v Speaker 1>every single person when it comes to an increase in

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<v Speaker 1>the public service, they are there to help. Okay, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>nine thousand of them may well have been there to

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<v Speaker 1>help of extras, But what about the football stadium of

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<v Speaker 1>people in administration seventeen thousand since twenty nineteen have been

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<v Speaker 1>added sixteen thousand in compliance and regulation, portfolio, program and

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<v Speaker 1>project management fifteen almost sixteen thousand, strategic policy fourteen thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>Communications and marketing up eighty nine percent since twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>to now three thousand fully paid for all time employees

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<v Speaker 1>of the Australian Public Service. And yes, while there was

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<v Speaker 1>some conversation about Canberra based public servants, and again that

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<v Speaker 1>nuance was lost and any suggestion that this is anything

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<v Speaker 1>but a good thing for our country is met with

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<v Speaker 1>fear and doom about any and everyone who works for

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian government in any and every possible way. Well

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<v Speaker 1>we know how that played out at the federal election.

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<v Speaker 1>But the truth is that Australia's public service is spread out.

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<v Speaker 1>Again a from the Australian newspaper. Yes, majority is in Canberra,

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<v Speaker 1>but a football stadium of thirty four thousand are in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 1>In New South Welst thirty two thousand, in Queensland twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand, South Australia thirteen thousand, and even in Western

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<v Speaker 1>Australia there are close to ten thousand public servants working

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<v Speaker 1>for the federal government, and of course they vote. These

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<v Speaker 1>are the top ten electorates that have the most number

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<v Speaker 1>of Commonwealth public servants that live in them. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you can see pretty obviously here that the extreme majority

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<v Speaker 1>of them are represented by the Labor Party, Canberra being

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<v Speaker 1>Fenna Eden, Manero, Adelaide, Franklin, Sturt Wills, Brisbane, Melbourne, Griffith. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the top twenty boothby Marabanon, Lily Hein, marsh

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<v Speaker 1>Macon and Perth. The Coalition only represents two of these seats,

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<v Speaker 1>being Herbert and Riverina and clark In In Tasmania is

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<v Speaker 1>represented by an independent Andrew Wilkie. And as the public

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<v Speaker 1>service grows and any conversation about how efficient that is,

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<v Speaker 1>how relevant that is, how expensive that is, how effective

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<v Speaker 1>that is, well it is of course met with fear

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<v Speaker 1>and doom from the political party of which such a

0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:58.360
<v Speaker 1>huge percentage of these people end up voting for. And

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<v Speaker 1>that speaks at the absolute at heart to something that

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<v Speaker 1>I have been drawing on your screens metaphorically for years now,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what I believe to be a triangle of

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<v Speaker 1>dependence that put simply if you are somebody who relies

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<v Speaker 1>upon the government for welfare, you have to keep voting

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<v Speaker 1>for the same party to be in the government. If

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<v Speaker 1>you work for the government, then you keep voting for

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<v Speaker 1>the political party that is the government. So no one

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<v Speaker 1>rocks the boat. And if you're in private industry, if

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<v Speaker 1>the government is your biggest client or customer, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>rock the boat. So once you put together hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of public servants spread out all across the country,

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<v Speaker 1>once you put the millions of people when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to welfare, not entitlement, welfare and all of those businesses,

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<v Speaker 1>you end up with in part results like we have

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<v Speaker 1>got of recent elections. This is how you build a

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<v Speaker 1>permanent one party rule. It has been widely successful for

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<v Speaker 1>the Labor Party. Why would they change. But as somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who lives outside of that system, like I know many

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<v Speaker 1>of you do, seeing how big it grows and questioning

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<v Speaker 1>whether its growth is always a good thing is something

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<v Speaker 1>that's still a free society should be able to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it all comes at essentially it keeps growing,

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<v Speaker 1>the blob keeps growing, regardless of how much it costs,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of what it does, then no one rocks the boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Which means one party stays in power forever, like Victoria,

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<v Speaker 1>with the exception of one term of the Libs. They've

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<v Speaker 1>been around for about thirty years, with the exception of

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<v Speaker 1>one term a few years ago, and now in Queensland

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<v Speaker 1>again thirty year run of the Labor Party in places

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<v Speaker 1>like Queensland. In a second, i'll show you about how

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<v Speaker 1>they are trying to create permanent one party rule in

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<v Speaker 1>other parts of the country. But that triangle of dependence,

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<v Speaker 1>it is something that is absolutely the goal of the

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<v Speaker 1>modern center left, which is that the Labor Party is

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<v Speaker 1>the government, and you love the government, and the government

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<v Speaker 1>will take care of you, regardless of whether it's a

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<v Speaker 1>one to two or three trillion dollar deficit, regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>whether there are too many people fighting for too few things,

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<v Speaker 1>because we have to keep things like mass immigration going

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<v Speaker 1>on and on and on as long as that triangle works.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know triangles some of the strongest shapes you

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<v Speaker 1>can possibly have. Why because it all reinforces itself to

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<v Speaker 1>law and order, specifically the court in South Australia. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of these crazy people who believes that when

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<v Speaker 1>someone commits a crime, they should be punished for the

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<v Speaker 1>crime yes, slowly, but surely because not everyone gets life

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<v Speaker 1>towards the end of it. That's when rehabilitation and your

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<v Speaker 1>ability to move back into the real world, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that starts to kick in. But there are certain crimes

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<v Speaker 1>where the sentences have to be so large to send

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<v Speaker 1>a message to the commuit unity. Firstly, you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do this because you're going to spend an awful

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<v Speaker 1>long time in jar but secondly it's also because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a statement of national values that this does not happen here.

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<v Speaker 1>And you saw the Court of Appeal in South Australia

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<v Speaker 1>because they have made it curious in my view decision

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<v Speaker 1>in the past couple of days, but it is one

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<v Speaker 1>that gives us an idea about a legal system, not

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<v Speaker 1>a justice system, as Darren Hinch said so many years

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<v Speaker 1>on the air, and when of course his party was

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<v Speaker 1>focused in and around these issues and was quite successful

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<v Speaker 1>in Victoria for quite a few years. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go back a couple of years where there was a

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<v Speaker 1>young woman who was stabbed and she was stabbed by

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<v Speaker 1>her father. The reason I'll get to in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>The image is one from CCTV footage that was released

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<v Speaker 1>by the Supreme Court of South Australia of a man

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<v Speaker 1>with a knife. The police investigating the scene because the

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<v Speaker 1>stab happened in broad daylight in a shopping center. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>multiple members of the family ended up going before the courts,

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<v Speaker 1>but the specific focus is the man the father. Have

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<v Speaker 1>a look here I read now from the ABC and

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<v Speaker 1>their accounting of what has happened in the past couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days, members of an Adelaide Honor stabbing victim family

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<v Speaker 1>members rather of Adelaide Honor stabbing victim have had their

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<v Speaker 1>sentences reduced. The trio and other family members were charged

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<v Speaker 1>after a twenty one year old woman was held down

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<v Speaker 1>and stabbed outside the Sefton Plaza shopping center in Adelaide's

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<v Speaker 1>North in November two thy and twenty one. She was

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<v Speaker 1>repeatedly stabbed in the abdomen with a large kitchen knife

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<v Speaker 1>before being driven to the family home and put into

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<v Speaker 1>a shower. The woman suffered significant internal injuries in the incident.

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<v Speaker 1>There is more to this story and as the headline

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<v Speaker 1>has told you why the stabbing took place again, we

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<v Speaker 1>continue to read from the story from the ABC released

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<v Speaker 1>today on their website. The court had previously heard that

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional Pashtun Muslim family disapproved of her relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>a Christian man and worked together to track her down.

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<v Speaker 1>In the lead up to the stabbing, The crime had

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<v Speaker 1>previously been described in court as an attempted honor killing.

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<v Speaker 1>In written reasons. The court also noted that the victim

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<v Speaker 1>of the offending had now provided a sworn Affi David

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<v Speaker 1>earlier this year, stating that quote she forgives the appellance

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<v Speaker 1>and expresses favorable views as to the appellan's remorse and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore a desirability of a non custodial sentence. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>be very clear what happened here. The father pled guilty

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<v Speaker 1>to the charges of false imprisonment and aggravated korus in

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<v Speaker 1>serious with intent as originally judged for fourteen years and

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<v Speaker 1>three months. Remember what are the beginnings of what they

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<v Speaker 1>believe to be a planned honor killing. Why because of

0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:18.000
<v Speaker 1>her relationship with a Christian man, his total sentence has

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<v Speaker 1>been reduced by almost four years from fourteen to now

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<v Speaker 1>ten and a half, with a non parole period of

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<v Speaker 1>seven years and six months. Now this is the perfect

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<v Speaker 1>example of the legal system, not the justice system, and

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<v Speaker 1>whatever relationship that victim has to the person responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>it is one thing, but how can any court anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the country do anything but send the loudest, loudest,

0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:53.840
<v Speaker 1>loudest message. That's that a woman being stabbed, threatened, kidnapped

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe even killed because of the faith of the

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<v Speaker 1>people that she chooses to mix with. No way. Now again,

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<v Speaker 1>I know the way the system works. You get fourteen years,

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<v Speaker 1>but the victim's able to say, hey, I forgive, which

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<v Speaker 1>means the justice system stands aside in terms of punishment,

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<v Speaker 1>and we get the legal system, which means the time

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<v Speaker 1>goes down, the person remains in jalen will for some time.

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<v Speaker 1>But am I the only person in Australia who thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that the original decision is right and should not have

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<v Speaker 1>been changed? Tell me your thoughts, paul a skynews dot

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<v Speaker 1>com dot au. What I was mentioning before about the

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<v Speaker 1>permanent rule of one particular political party. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>turn now again to South Australia. Stick with South Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>but now turned to their state parliament because they've made

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<v Speaker 1>some interesting decisions in the past couple of days. In fact,

0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.399
<v Speaker 1>the law passed last year, but it's all come to

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<v Speaker 1>effect on July the first. The South Australian Premier, Peter

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<v Speaker 1>malanowskis a bloke who remains incredibly popular and as Iltia

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<v Speaker 1>in a second, looks like you can to absolutely cake

0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.560
<v Speaker 1>walk it in at the next state election. The Liberal

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<v Speaker 1>Party being reduced to well even less than a Torrago

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<v Speaker 1>most likely. Well, they made a decision, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>good one and one that I support, which is no

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<v Speaker 1>longer will there be cor flutes, those ugly posters that

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<v Speaker 1>go up on power polls all over the place, meaning

0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.280
<v Speaker 1>people can deface them like that. But you know, during

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<v Speaker 1>the last federal election there was too many of them.

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<v Speaker 1>They annoy me. I know for some people they think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good way to get the message out, but

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<v Speaker 1>to me, I'm just tired of seeing them. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of nineteen eighties way of campaigning. In twenty and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, well, the law in South Australia is that

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<v Speaker 1>there are no such posters except for ones in private property,

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<v Speaker 1>which you can have on your house, but you can't

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:44.560
<v Speaker 1>have them outside of your house, which means a little

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<v Speaker 1>less visual pollution. The state government has passed a law

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<v Speaker 1>saying during a federal election campaign there will be no

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<v Speaker 1>posters either good. Yeah. But back to the triangle of dependence.

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<v Speaker 1>The media has been quite impressed by the South Australian

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<v Speaker 1>government making a decision to ban all political donations from

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<v Speaker 1>the political system. Again on this idea that a million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in equals decisions coming out, I'll let our reporter

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<v Speaker 1>from Adelaide explain how the system works practically.

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<v Speaker 4>As of July one, political parties, sitting MPs and candidates

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<v Speaker 4>are banned from accepting money from external organizations in South Australia,

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<v Speaker 4>including businesses, unions and lobbyists.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also going to be rules about just how much

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<v Speaker 1>a political campaign can spend during an election.

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<v Speaker 4>All parties will now abide by a funding cap, but

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<v Speaker 4>tax payers will have to chip in more in lieu

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<v Speaker 4>of donations in the order of three million dollars. Unions

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<v Speaker 4>and businesses will also be able to run their own

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<v Speaker 4>separate advertising campaigns, but their spending will also be capped

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<v Speaker 4>at four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Now put simply, if there is a maximum amount that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone can spend, then essentially there is a level playing field.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the point being made by the Premier. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a reason I'm making this point tonight though here is

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<v Speaker 1>the premier.

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<v Speaker 5>We have now guaranteed that the Liberal Party and the

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<v Speaker 5>Labor Party have the exact same level of resources at

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<v Speaker 5>the next state election.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing that every single state has as rules

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<v Speaker 1>is the political parties or any candidate who gets more

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<v Speaker 1>than four percent of the vote gets a certain amount

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<v Speaker 1>of money per vote per seat. So yes, the largest

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money will go to the people who end

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<v Speaker 1>up winning the seats. The smallest will be any single

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<v Speaker 1>candidate over four percent. There are different ways this can

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<v Speaker 1>get calculated, and are not going to get into the

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<v Speaker 1>overall numbers here, but where the system, in my view,

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<v Speaker 1>goes from a level playing field going into the next

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 1>state election, because everyone's hemmed into the same box. If

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<v Speaker 1>you are the receiver of money because of how well

0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 1>you do at an election, if you're going to absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>smash it, I'm going to end up with more money

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<v Speaker 1>in the kiddy than your opposition. And that's where I

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 1>think you start to get back to that triangle of

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 1>one political party having more money. And yes, they may

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<v Speaker 1>not be able to spend all of that money at

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<v Speaker 1>a state election, but of course that money may well

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<v Speaker 1>be able to be sent to other state divisions or

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 1>even to the federal party. You see the latest opinion

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 1>polls out of South Australia, seeing that the Malinowskars government

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:28.119
<v Speaker 1>is going to be re elected and handsomely in fact

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 1>on the two party preferred it's currently sixty seven to

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three. So they are going to absolutely smash the

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<v Speaker 1>next election and theoretically end up with more money per votes. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I have tried to research this as hard as I

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<v Speaker 1>can today and I will again report back to you

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<v Speaker 1>next week about exactly how much money could be a

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<v Speaker 1>play here, but to give you an idea of how

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<v Speaker 1>dominant the Labor Party is in South Australia right now

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<v Speaker 1>and how they could be a serious financial beneficiary of

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<v Speaker 1>the new system when it comes to the preferred premier.

0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Right now in South Australia, Peter Malanowska's has seventy two

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>percent of the vote. Will he end up with an

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>awful lot of money? Again? We will all find out together.

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<v Speaker 1>So news out of Europe that I want to get to,

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 1>specifically out of Spain is some breaking news in and

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 1>around a footballer for the Liverpool Football Club in the EPL,

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 1>and also a man who was played football for his

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>nation of Portugal. This was the breaking news a couple

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:27.400
<v Speaker 1>of hours ago.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to bring you a line of breaking news

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 6>that's coming into us from FA in Spain. They are

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<v Speaker 6>reporting that's the Liverpool and the Portugal forward Diego Jotter,

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 6>has died after a car crash in the northwest of

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:46.160
<v Speaker 6>the country. Diego Jotter, who has been playing for Liverpool

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 6>since he signed from Wolverhampton Wanderers in September of twenty twenty,

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.639
<v Speaker 6>said to have died in that currents and it's not

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 6>clear at this point whether or not he was the

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 6>only individual in the car. The only detail we have

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 6>is that he has died in that crash in the

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 6>northwest of Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>After the breaking news, it has now been confirmed that

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:09.719
<v Speaker 1>his brother has also died in this accident. This is

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>them as younger men, and both, of course, like all brothers,

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to an incredible life in front of them.

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 1>The reason I mentioned this story, apart from that the

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>football world is morning one of its stars, is because

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:27.360
<v Speaker 1>it is a reminder about how fast the world can change.

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Because here he was just two weeks ago getting married.

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>As he leaves this world, a little girl two boys

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and his beautiful bride. The UK Prime Minister has had

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>a bit to say about this tragedy today.

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<v Speaker 7>This is devastating news and I'm sure I speak for

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<v Speaker 7>everyone in saying our first thoughts are going to be

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 7>with his family and his friends. In particular, there are

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 7>millions of Liverpool fans, but also football fans are non fans.

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Who will also be shocked by this. More news is

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 1>up right now on the sky Neiwess website sky News

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>dot com dot A. You a new face to the

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Paulmiray Life team as well as an old favorite in

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>a moment or two is time And by the way,

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>I've just checked that bloke in the US is now

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>up to two and a half hours of speaking at

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 1>the halfway mark to maybe a five hour speech to

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>try to stop or at least delay the big beautiful

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>bill ha Keen Jeffries is hit halftime. Can he make

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 1>five hours in history? We'll all be asleep and we'll

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>all find out tomorrow more than a second thank you

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>so much for watching. Done forget before we're done, a

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>winner or loser of the week, jump onto all of

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>our socials. In the meantime, looking forward to the people

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 1>who will help me do it and remember it's legally binding.

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Christiy McSweeney is from the pr Council. We always love

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>you to see her wonderful face and her new faces

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 1>whilst which is Ed Kavanagh and Ed is with the

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:01.239
<v Speaker 1>mckel Institute. We got team Red and team Blue no

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 1>matter what ties they wear, Lady Jen Tlloe and love

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>you to see you both, Ed, Welcome to the show.

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Now today the charted accountants, you know that sexy group

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 1>of people. God love you for an accountant, but still

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you get the point. They've come forward and said, look,

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>if everything's on the table when it comes to the

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 1>productivity discussions the Treasure will be having in August. Maybe

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the things we should be talking about is

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>upping the GST. But it's not just about the money

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>grab of upping the GST. Theoretically you'd be able to

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 1>push down the amount of tax that is being paid

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>for by individuals. Only problem with all of this logic,

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>by the way, is remember in terms of what you

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>and I as pay as you go, people actually end

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>up giving. I think the federal government gets close to

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 1>four hundred billion dollars out of income tax and only

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>about one hundred billion out of the GST. So there's

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>going to have to be some little wobble here, but

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll see what happens. All right, ed, new face, do

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>you get to go first? Will they ever change the GST?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, look, I think the answer to that, very briefly

0:30:59.160 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 8>is no.

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 9>I think the Treasure has been pretty clear that in

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 9>this new round.

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 8>Of tax reform of productivity debate, but the GST is

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 8>effectively off the table. This is an old proposal, though

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 8>we've seen this for the last couple of decades. People

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 8>have been talking about eventually we are going to have

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 8>to ramp up the GST. I think if you're going

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 8>to raise that as a new area of reform, what

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 8>you need to be incredibly explicit about from the outset

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 8>is what that compensation is actually going to look like.

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 8>And I noted in this proposal, effectively what we saw

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 8>was a vague idea that we'd see lower income taxes,

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 8>we'd see lower business taxes. You know, I want to

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 8>see that conversation start with if we are ever going

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.719
<v Speaker 8>to raise the GST. First, what we're going to do

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 8>is guarantee that we will see everyone who is earning

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 8>much say below fifty thousand dollars a year or so,

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 8>pay dramatically less income tax and be a bit explicit

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 8>about that, because otherwise we're just going to end up

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 8>raising the GST and punish those potentially that can't afford it.

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 9>So I think in this conversation.

0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 8>Around tax reform, around productivity reform, we shouldn't really be

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 8>starting with what taxes we should be raising. I think

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 8>we should be looking at who should be have a

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 8>less of a load of on the income tax burden,

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 8>and that's certainly people on fifty sixty thousand dollars in below.

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Well again, Christy, Essentially all GST moneys end up going

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>back to the States, and we all know that the

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 1>states are all in a world of debt, They're all

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>in a world of deficits. Structurally, the federal budget, each

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>generational report says that there's going to be deficits there

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 1>for the next forty years. So money is going to

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.959
<v Speaker 1>have to come from somewhere. But what's your thoughts on

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 1>this being the way to somehow achieve it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, first of all, Australia's proportion of revenue is nearing

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 5>fifty percent from income tax, and that does not offset

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 5>the spending commitments that seem to be forever ever increase.

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 5>And I'll just mentioned in contrast to what Ed would say,

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 5>there is the low Income Tax OFFSEET for people making

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 5>under I think it's thirty seven thousand, and of course

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 5>if raising that to fifties is part of the conversation,

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 5>well then that's another spending commitment that the government needs

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 5>to offset Somewhere. How is raising the GST. I'll make

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 5>the point that I'm old enough and I've done politics

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 5>a long enough time to remember when we used to

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 5>do it without twenty four hour media, without twenty four

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 5>hours social media, or twenty four hour political teav Tell

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 5>me for our political.

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Tell me about this this mysterious place of which we

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>never discussed anymore.

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 5>I know I'm showing my age here, but that has

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 5>the twenty four hour news cycle and social media has

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 5>changed what reform or what we call reform in Australia. Now,

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 5>reform isn't done because you go to party room or

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 5>you go to caucus and you raise an idea of

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 5>reform such as raising the GST, and before that party

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 5>room or caucus meeting is over, within about half an hour,

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:01.959
<v Speaker 5>word has been texted out the news outlets have got

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 5>to poll up in your top six marginal seats showing

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 5>that people won't support raising taxes, surprise, surprise. So it's

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 5>a very brave politician who then wants to prosecute that argument,

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 5>and that applies to so many dearly needed reforms that

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 5>Australia is now coming to an end of that twenty

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 5>year cycle of when we last had reform, and you

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.280
<v Speaker 5>could even argue that the hawk Keating government was probably

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 5>the last government to do it in a great number

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 5>and then how it came with the GST and gun

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 5>reform and they've been tinking around the edges, but we

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 5>don't do it when it costs people money. It's very

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:44.800
<v Speaker 5>difficult to sell in a twenty four hour media cycle environment.

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 5>When was the last time anybody saw a white paper?

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.800
<v Speaker 5>The Ken Henry Tax Review might have been the last

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.360
<v Speaker 5>thing that could be considered a white paper, and no

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 5>government ever since has wanted to implement many of the

0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 5>recommendations that would count a significant tax reform.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, the reality of politics, right is if

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 1>team Red comes up with an idea, Team Blue is

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 1>probably going to be against it, and vice versa, and

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:11.800
<v Speaker 1>wherever you draw the line right wherever you draw the line,

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>that is officially the line, and the one person who's

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>got half a ton nail over it, look at the victims,

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 1>look at it. We all know, right, they've all done it,

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 1>they've all done it for a while. But can we

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>actually look at it?

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:24.879
<v Speaker 9>Absolutely, I just want to jump.

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 8>Well, I think we can, and I think part of

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 8>the problem with this particular one is it's not a

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 8>big idea. You know, this is an old idea. Everyone

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 8>said for the last twenty years, basically the level of

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 8>ges is inadequate, let's ramp it up. But no one's

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 8>actually done the work in saying here's who's going to

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 8>be compensated, here's how they're going to be compensated. We

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 8>clearly have a problem with working people in the country

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 8>paying way too much income tax. If you pay fifty

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 8>or sixty thousand dollars, you're paying sort of seven or

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 8>ten thousand dollars a year in income tax.

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 9>That is a pretty significant burden for low income households.

0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 8>The reform debate that we have to have going forward

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 8>in this productivity agenda that the government has put on

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.880
<v Speaker 8>the table, it is how we lower that burden and

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 8>how we replace it with basically a more efficient way

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.359
<v Speaker 8>to tax capital and unearned wealth. And I think that's

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 8>the direction that this conversation should shift. It shouldn't just

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 8>be let's figure out another way to squeeze everyday people

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:18.839
<v Speaker 8>when they go into the grocery store.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Now, Melissa Macintosh is a shadow minister. She's

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>also the Member for Lindsay. Now, it used to be

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:29.320
<v Speaker 1>political orthodoxy that you cannot win government without winning Western Sydney,

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>particularly Penrith. It's a place where in many bellweather ways,

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>essentially it always went the way of elections. But of

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 1>course she's been able to hold on regardless of the

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>fact that the Liberal Party lost government in twenty two

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and got ask in twenty five. But she's standing up

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.720
<v Speaker 1>pretty aggressively about the need for reform in and amand

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 1>iss used to do with gender. Now, Christy, we've talked

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 1>about this and quite correctly, because there's nothing that ever

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:57.280
<v Speaker 1>seems to change for a long time. It does seem

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>that there are plenty of voices that are at getting

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>greater as seniority recognizing that there's a serious need. And

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 1>her conversation is much deeper and goes beyond things like

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:10.720
<v Speaker 1>quotas and I support as I said the day after

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 1>the election as a person who wanted the Libs to

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>be the government, is that when they lost and lost

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 1>by the margin that they did, you don't just need

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>to learn a lesson, you need to be seen to

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:22.879
<v Speaker 1>be learning a lesson. And also, there's a whole bunch

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:27.320
<v Speaker 1>of people in corporate Australia who can help organizations modernize

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to change, to deal with these issues. And am pleased

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 1>to see that Melissa is suggesting that bringing in some

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:36.439
<v Speaker 1>outside help people who know change for a living might

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>be the way to do it.

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 5>Thoughts Well, there's a whole lot of people within the

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 5>Liberal Party that can actually help them to Paul. I

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 5>think some outstanding issues there is that those people might

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 5>not have been listened to, perhaps around issues to do

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 5>with gender and policies that might appeal to women and

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 5>how to engage women in the Liberal Party. I want

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.760
<v Speaker 5>to make two points on this. Melissa Macintosh is an

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 5>underrated hero of the Liberal Party in such difficult environments

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:12.319
<v Speaker 5>where seats that once were considered a safe seats now

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 5>five percent. She has continued to win that seat in

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.840
<v Speaker 5>Western Sydney time and time and time again. And the

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:24.359
<v Speaker 5>other underrated hero is Jason wood Out in Latrobe, who

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 5>has held that seat since two thousand and four, only

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 5>losing it in two thousand and seven the rud Slide election,

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:37.360
<v Speaker 5>where his multicultural community or multicultural percentage is around thirty

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:42.439
<v Speaker 5>forty percent of migrants who've chosen to call Australia home

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 5>and they vote for him. Large Indian community in particular,

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:50.839
<v Speaker 5>underrated heroes, both of them, and we don't give them

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 5>enough credit for what they do. Melissa can I say,

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm really pleased to hear her use her voice because

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 5>she used someone who, despite increasing her margin consistently, has

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 5>been very much under attack by factions within the Liberal

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 5>Party who wanted to see her rolled at her pre selection.

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 5>So if we're talking about gender issues, we have to

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 5>talk about factional issues. And despite the fact that you

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 5>increase your vote consistently in this really difficult environment, people

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 5>still want to throw you over for a man, I

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 5>must say, But that's irrelevant of who they wanted to

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 5>replace her with. But that speaks to a number of

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 5>structural issues within the party. I'm for quoters. I think

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 5>it's time Labour's got fifty percent parody in their party room.

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 5>We've lagged at twenty percent for over the last two decades.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't matter how we do it, but we need

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 5>to find a way because two consecutive elections, the women

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 5>of Australia have just said that's it. You're not speaking

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 5>to me well enough, and there's a public perception issue

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 5>out there that they don't want to vote for the

0:39:58.560 --> 0:39:59.320
<v Speaker 5>Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you. Send your hate email because I often

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 1>get it on this issue, Paul. Let's go news dot

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 1>com dot au and you can respond on other issues.

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:07.839
<v Speaker 1>In a moment or two time. How's a marathon man

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.839
<v Speaker 1>going in Washington? By the way, two hours forty three.

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:14.320
<v Speaker 1>He's gone for the record, he's gone for the Big five?

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Can he get there? We'll all find out together. It's

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:20.879
<v Speaker 1>so exciting. He's just talking and talking and talking. That's

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 1>talking and talk. Thanks very much for watching a winner

0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 1>or loser of the week in a moment or two time.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Kavanah is with the mckel Institute, the left wing

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 1>think tank or center lift think tank. Can they prefer

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 1>to say or mainstream as they'd also like to say,

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 1>none other than the pr Council is where you can

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:44.080
<v Speaker 1>find the wonderful Christy McSweeney, help you with everything from

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a crisis to long term planning. We're here. Remember we're

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 1>not Channel two. We're here to push a book, right.

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to help people out with what they do

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 1>all day, every day.

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<v Speaker 9>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get to the story around Rachel Reeves. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>she is the Chancellor, the Treasurer of the United Kingdom general,

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:01.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of pressure because of a whole bunch of

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 1>decisions they were going to make they had to walk

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 1>back on. There's a lot of pressure that's been on

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>her and when, of course they feel there's blood in

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the water, they go all the way like every political

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 1>person does. And she was very obviously crying in the

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Parliament today. Now, there might be something personal going on.

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>If there is, obviously we'll mention that if we learn

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 1>of it. But there's clearly a lot of pressure on

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:29.400
<v Speaker 1>this person right now. So let's get to pressure in public.

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not that she is female, and certainly I noticed

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:36.800
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people talking about this, We're thinking,

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 1>do you even bring this issue up. I'm not going

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 1>into the gender of things, but about how we deal

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 1>with pressure. And look, as somebody who's hit harder than

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:49.360
<v Speaker 1>most for longer than most. You do need to constantly

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 1>remind ourselves these are normal people. And yes, while their

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 1>job may be coming to an end, or their failures

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:57.280
<v Speaker 1>may be coming to an end. When you see somebody's hurting,

0:41:57.880 --> 0:41:59.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's the moment to just go all

0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 1>the way. She may still lose a job, but you

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 1>need to pull back every so slightly too. Am I

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:06.760
<v Speaker 1>too soft for these hard times?

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 4>Ed?

0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 1>No, I.

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:12.800
<v Speaker 8>Think you're absolutely right. Look, this is these are people

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 8>at the end of the day, you know, I agree.

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 8>I mean to an extent, this is a brutal blood sport,

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 8>particularly UK Parliament.

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:21.359
<v Speaker 9>I mean they're sitting six feet away from each other.

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 8>They you know, it's one of the most brutal possible

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.880
<v Speaker 8>environments you can be in in politics. So you know,

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 8>people do have to have a bit of a spine

0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 8>in that situation. But you know, Rachel Reeves has been

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 8>under extraordinary pressure. I mean I speak to my friends

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 8>and colleagues over in the UK and they have certainly

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:40.719
<v Speaker 8>made a huge number of mistakes and you know, Kisama

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 8>has really had to navigate through that as well, and

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.840
<v Speaker 8>it's been a really difficult time for the UK government

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 8>over there and she's obviously feeling that pressure. So you know,

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 8>it doesn't surprise me that coming about not you know,

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.040
<v Speaker 8>went in for the juggular in that instance. It is

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 8>difficult to watch, but you know, this is a kind

0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 8>of a blood.

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:00.359
<v Speaker 9>Sport at the end of the day. In UK parliamentary politics.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think about, you know, the pressures that

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 1>were in and around our mate Nicole Flint when she

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.439
<v Speaker 1>was a member of Parliament and they were coming very

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.919
<v Speaker 1>hard at her, and how personal things were. I also

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 1>think fairly obvious amount of personal abuse in the last

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:16.879
<v Speaker 1>federal election Christy. But again, if you're sitting opposite someone,

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:19.840
<v Speaker 1>let's imagine you're in that scenario, what do you do.

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Do you pull back because clearly this person is on

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the edge or the nature of the battle is sorry,

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, I get it, but we're not going to stop.

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 5>The nature of the battle is one that never pays

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:39.360
<v Speaker 5>regard for humanity and politics, and I don't think that

0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:44.560
<v Speaker 5>the media politicians themselves when they attack each other, and

0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 5>even within the same party. Most of your emotional distress

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 5>comes from within your own party. And I'm sure Ed

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 5>will agree with me. Some of the hardened, most damaging

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 5>personally nasty attacks on politicians from their own side on

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:07.239
<v Speaker 5>the other side, but the public as well doesn't take

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 5>heed to humanity. We have a narrative of you're paid

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:14.720
<v Speaker 5>by the taxpayer, we own you. And again I'll return

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 5>to the twenty four hour social media where people are

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 5>keyboard warriors and hide behind screens to lodge these really

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 5>nasty personal attacks because they don't look at politicians as

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:30.239
<v Speaker 5>humans because they've been fed this narrative of you owe us,

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 5>you're paid by our taxes, and that is true, but

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 5>that doesn't mean we should disregard humanity in people who

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 5>are doing a job which is a very, very very

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.839
<v Speaker 5>hard job. But I will say, you know that it's

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:46.799
<v Speaker 5>a very hard job.

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:47.880
<v Speaker 7>You know what it's like.

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:51.320
<v Speaker 5>You wouldn't go there if you weren't preferred to.

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<v Speaker 1>So we also have to.

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 5>Have a absolutely we also have to have a discussion

0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 5>around the mental health toll on politics, which is when

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:04.320
<v Speaker 5>these types of really personal things happen and they buckle

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:07.439
<v Speaker 5>under pressure, because that's a really real concern. We haven't

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:11.279
<v Speaker 5>talked about that since many many years ago. When you know,

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.879
<v Speaker 5>there was a member of the Labor Party who came

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 5>to some significant mental health harm. And I won't name

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 5>that person to give that issue oxygen, but it was

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.240
<v Speaker 5>two decades ago. Now we haven't talked about it since.

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk ed about a smelter and potentially a smelter

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:32.319
<v Speaker 1>closing and the pressures that are on this particular industry.

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>What is it that concerns you about the particular nature

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 1>of this one.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, look, I'm speaking to you tonight from South Australia.

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 8>I am, you know, very proud South Australian. We just

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 8>saw the Whala intervention a few months ago to great effects.

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 8>We're seeing really significant pressures on the Near Star smelter

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 8>up import period, but also the smelting industry more broadly

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:55.839
<v Speaker 8>around the whole country. Basically our capacity as a nation

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 8>to refine metals and to value add to the resource

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:03.279
<v Speaker 8>that we have here, and we're seeing news story after

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 8>news story every other day now some of these refineries

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:08.839
<v Speaker 8>coming under acute pressure and potentially having to seek some

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:12.399
<v Speaker 8>sort of government assistance. And what's really happening here, which

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 8>I think hasn't been called out clearly enough by our government,

0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 8>but certainly just in the community at large, is that

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:20.839
<v Speaker 8>you know, we hear about some of the pressures in

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 8>this sector being purely energy based, energy related within our

0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 8>domestic energy sector. What we're actually seeing though is state

0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 8>intervention from the Chinese, from others, huge amounts of industrial

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 8>policy happening all around the world that is effectively artificially

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 8>lowering the prices of so many of these commodities and

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:41.600
<v Speaker 8>really making it more unviable, really quickly for some of

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 8>these smelters to be operational in Australia. So we've got

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:46.840
<v Speaker 8>to call that out, and I do think the government

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 8>really needs to. The federal government needs to think about

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:52.680
<v Speaker 8>some sort of cohesive national strategy in this sector. Otherwise

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 8>we are going to see you know, thousands of jobs go,

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:58.719
<v Speaker 8>but also our sovereign capability as a country to manufacture

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 8>and to value add or these essential commodities potentially potentially

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 8>be lost off.

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I agree, thankfully. South Australian election will steady the

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 1>mind as well. Thank you to appreciate it. You can

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 1>come back anytime you want, ed Christy, you know you're

0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:13.760
<v Speaker 1>always welcome here. Thank you. Guys. Have a wonderful weekend.

0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:15.680
<v Speaker 1>All right, quick break back with more big news in

0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the world of Formula one and the Marathon Man. Well,

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 1>we'll welcome him into his third hour of speaking in

0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the US. You have no I love my supercars and

0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 1>speaking of happy birthday to the wonderful Bathist winning champion

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.360
<v Speaker 1>driver that is David Reynolds, who is having his special

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.160
<v Speaker 1>birthday today. Well done mate, all the best of you

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and the family. But of course Formula one the global

0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 1>sensation and we of course love Oscar Piastre and all

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:46.239
<v Speaker 1>of that. We hope that he is going to be

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.360
<v Speaker 1>able to make his way towards win Silverston this weekend

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.279
<v Speaker 1>and maybe go on to a world title. But of

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:54.280
<v Speaker 1>course the bloke who has had many of recent years

0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:57.879
<v Speaker 1>is Max Vashtappen, and Max is not having a great

0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 1>year all right. Basically it is pastre versus Norris, both

0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:04.359
<v Speaker 1>playing for the same team, and Max is not out

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:05.759
<v Speaker 1>of it yet, but he's sort of on his way.

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Certainly the team that he races for, though, that being

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Red Bull Racing, is having a garbage year. So there

0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 1>is now conversation that after Lewis Hamilton left Mercedes Benz

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:18.319
<v Speaker 1>to go to Ferrari this year, that none other than

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:22.839
<v Speaker 1>Max Verstappen could make his way towards Mercedes. A man

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 1>who knows much more about this than any of us

0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:26.400
<v Speaker 1>is none other than Martin Brundle, and he said this

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 1>today on Sky News F one.

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 10>For him to be hanging there still without clarity as

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 10>we head into the halfway point of the British Grand

0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 10>Prix as unusual and nobody is absolutely categorically denying that

0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:45.800
<v Speaker 10>Max with Stappen is talking to Mercedes beins. That's Mercedes

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:46.840
<v Speaker 10>or team for Stappen.

0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:48.280
<v Speaker 9>So something's up.

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Now. Apparently for all of this to happen, there'd be

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 1>something like one hundred million dollars to move away from

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the team, and apparently Mercedes is willing to pay it.

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Very exciting and I look forward to watching practice, qualifying

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:04.439
<v Speaker 1>and all the rest of it, and then looking forward

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.840
<v Speaker 1>of course to the supercars in Townsville in the meantime.

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Have a wonderful weekend wherever you happen to be. Keep

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:10.439
<v Speaker 1>the emails coming, Pau. Let's go and News dot com

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