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Speaker 1: Better than the Lego, better than let Hoover.

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Speaker 2: Right a week one of the finals, Mate, we're going

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to do Storm and the Sharks. So

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Speaker 3: we've thought about, like, what are the strengths and weaknesses,

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Speaker 3: what happens, what has to happen in these games to

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Speaker 3: get the opposition on top. I think for the Storm

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Speaker 3: to win, I think they need to put Nico Hines

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Speaker 3: playing a game of football in a confined space. There's

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Speaker 3: already question marks whether they can deliver in a big game.

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Speaker 3: The Sharks were ultra impressive on the weekend. They haven't

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Speaker 3: won underfits given they're going down to Amy Park where

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Speaker 3: they won early in the year. But I feel like

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Speaker 3: a halfback has the presence and the spirit of their

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Speaker 3: team in the finals, and if he walks in like

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Speaker 3: he owns the joint at Amy Park, the Sharks could

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Speaker 3: do something. But if he balks and the Melbourne Storms tim,

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Speaker 3: I think that goes a long way to Melbourne dominate

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Speaker 2: We said a few times about Nick it's I think

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Speaker 2: in this game for the Sharks to do less.

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Speaker 4: Now what we saw early in the year when they

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Speaker 4: beat Melbourne in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: This go around to be is the fact that there

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Speaker 2: was Blake, Brawley and Atkinson and the halves. Before that game.

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Speaker 2: You're looking so Bradley playing a half beat. They're playing

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Speaker 2: the Melton's now chance. But they just they were forced

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Speaker 2: to do less, they were forced to simplify. Their power

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Speaker 2: game took over and they looked a far bet of

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Speaker 2: football side. When they've gotten in the finals before, They've

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Speaker 2: the defense. I would almost it almost would Nicko. If

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Speaker 2: I'm coaching Nicko, I almost go to him and say,

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Speaker 2: in the lead up to the game, so nick how

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Speaker 2: I want you to go into this game almost with

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Speaker 2: the fullbacks mentality. And I think because you know, once

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Speaker 2: he gets into the battle, he'll fall into that same role.

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Speaker 2: But leading up to the game, it simulated is running

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Speaker 3: And that's the example because on the other side of

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Speaker 3: the field for the Storm, I think if the Sharks

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Speaker 3: that a win down to Amy Park, they need to

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Speaker 3: stop their spine from running the football. Like if you

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Speaker 3: think about a play the ball anywhere on the field.

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Speaker 3: You've got Pappenhausen, Grant near the ruck, You've got Hues

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Speaker 3: and Munster at any stage and every play the ball.

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Speaker 3: These four guys could run the football. So if the

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Speaker 3: Sharks are a win, Nico has to be confident. But

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Speaker 3: there you have to defend for every play the ball

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Speaker 3: for the whole entire eighty minutes and come up with

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Speaker 3: a great defensive performance. Because Melbourne Storm when their halves

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Speaker 3: click and run the ball, they saw what they did

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Speaker 5: They get confidence from that.

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Speaker 3: So I think if the Sharks the win, they were

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Speaker 3: shut down their spine running the balls.

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Speaker 2: It's always easy to get bias with what they called

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Speaker 4: Anyway, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: It's not fun, but you know where all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden you fall in love with the next player that

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Speaker 2: comes along. But I was sitting there and I think himself,

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Speaker 2: have I ever seen a half back with as good

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Speaker 2: a running game as Jerome Hughes and like alf was

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Speaker 4: I don't think I have.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's the fact that he's got a

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Speaker 5: So then people start worrying about that. They went about

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Speaker 3: Harry Grant has a bit of craft around so they're

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Speaker 3: worried about that. And as soon as he feels like

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Speaker 3: there's space is right foot back inside. And his performance

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Speaker 5: He might have just sealed the dally Am with that performance.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, day football, day football, I think will suit the

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Speaker 2: Sharks down there. Night football and Melbourne, you know better

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Speaker 4: What do you think. I think it's going to be

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Speaker 4: a really tight game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it will be tight. I think Melbourne

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Speaker 3: Storm get the job done. I think they're halves and

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Speaker 3: extra mile? I think defensively they need to improve better

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Speaker 3: for longer periods of time. But their best players need

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Speaker 3: think they are all play well, including Nelson as a

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Speaker 3: solo owner. In that conversation, so Storm to get done huge.

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Speaker 2: Storm home by a fraction on the back of their spine.

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Speaker 2: But an upset would not surprise me at all. After

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Speaker 3: Fifty sixty thousand people hopefully for the Dogs to win.

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Speaker 3: I think they need to attack the merely halves defensively.

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Speaker 3: I think we'll have a look at some stuff Brooks.

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Speaker 3: Cherry Evans can get caught out at different stages. He's

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Speaker 3: the eighty minutes here again comes up too far past

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Speaker 3: they go out come up last of football. If they

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Speaker 3: get that disconnects, I think that's what happens. Jerry Evans,

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Speaker 3: Dogs did it to him in the last couple of

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Speaker 3: weeks the Sharks did it to him on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Here's another one, like you just don't come up and

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Speaker 3: turn in like that. It basically says to the dogs,

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Speaker 3: pass around me and we'll get the try in the corner.

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Speaker 3: This one here was crazy. You just come up, turn

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Speaker 3: I think Camera Seruada would have a look at the

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Speaker 2: It's been a couple of years now at DCE, and

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Speaker 2: I like Kawa Tu struggling, and you're right, it's hard

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Speaker 2: to believe in a Blakelood DC who is such a quality,

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Speaker 3: If I'm Matt Burton, the further I am away from

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Speaker 3: the trial and I'm giving kick out early ball, I

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Speaker 3: going to make Cherry Evans make that decision defensively. So

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Speaker 3: give a big fire early ball once you get down

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Speaker 3: there put a lot of decisions around Cherry Evans rodo coops.

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Speaker 2: This is a game of whoever dictates the style of

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Speaker 2: the fight will probably win. Because you've got too big,

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Speaker 2: you've got mismatches, you've got dogs who are who's forwards

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Speaker 2: are smaller, lighter, more skillful bit of football IQ and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Dogs have been on the skids defensively the

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Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, but I think the Cowboys just

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Speaker 3: show the blueprint to the whole competition how to beat

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Speaker 3: powerful and short passes through their middle create ruxby retreating defense,

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Speaker 3: and you go at them again with either a show

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Speaker 3: and go or a short pass. So I don't think

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Speaker 3: going around the dogs is the approach. It's about going

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Speaker 3: through them. And the fact is when you generate quick

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Speaker 3: play the balls and miss tackles, then it leads to

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Speaker 3: something what mainly did the other week against the Dogs.

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Speaker 3: Perseca decent play the ball, shift out to the side,

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Speaker 3: another mistackle, bounced off, ineffective. They get lucky here. But

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Speaker 3: when your misstackles, quick play the balls leads to opportunities.

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Speaker 3: So I think the Cowboys showed exactly the way to

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Speaker 3: beat the Bulldogs.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question there, because you've been

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Speaker 2: been in in the fact that the Bulldogs will Whilst

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Speaker 2: they didn't have a home semi final locked in, they

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Speaker 2: they were treading water.

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Speaker 4: And I'll send new blokes to it.

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Speaker 2: At the Melbourne Storm where you're six points clear, you know,

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Speaker 2: difficult situation to find yourself in because look at the

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Speaker 2: effort there defensively of Villi Army and also Bronson Cherry.

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Speaker 2: That is that is nothing like what they've offered this

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Speaker 3: Your hope that Sirealdo can turn it on and turn

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Speaker 3: the back foot making soft tackles, it's going to create

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Speaker 3: the rugsby that Cherry Evans.

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Speaker 2: Needs sensing an upset here, you know, thinking manly, no, no,

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Speaker 2: sensing an upset on sensing bull Dogs hitting back on.

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Speaker 4: The skids too, just could a bit of a gael.

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Speaker 3: I think that what we just explained is exactly where

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Speaker 3: But if the mainly forward pack can dominate through the

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Speaker 3: enough for Brooks and remember turbos back to back Dogs,

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Speaker 3: he will be hard to handle.

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Speaker 5: If that's a retreating to.

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Speaker 4: Dogs that I make.

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Speaker 2: This are really fast, personal, fast game, keep the ball

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest, this is the biggest game in the

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Speaker 3: Dog's recent history. That's how big it is. It's going

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Speaker 3: to be fifty sixty thousand people at a core. There's

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Speaker 3: a team that hasn't got a lot of finals experience

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Speaker 3: outside of Crichton kick Our a little bit of burning

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Speaker 3: the skids three losses in a row, that's that's a

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Speaker 3: different way to go out of the final.

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Speaker 2: You're thinking there, I've forgotten the fact that I live

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Speaker 2: because a lot of my neighbors are real dead shits.

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Speaker 4: It's you know, that's all right.

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Speaker 5: Your house sits on top of the hill and everyone

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Speaker 2: So they went to the hill close to the boast

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Speaker 2: reason I give the Knights a great chance.

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Speaker 5: Talking about bias here or just generally thinking.

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Speaker 2: Generally, and I mean they see what you think about

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Speaker 2: it is that dolphins. Dolphins are very good crafting too.

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Speaker 2: They graft and they grind, they get in the arm wrestle.

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Speaker 5: Defense, and I'll see, you know what our defense, the

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Speaker 5: Knights defense.

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Speaker 2: The Red and Blues, And I thought, but they hung

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Speaker 2: thing I reckon the Cowboys will struggle with this year.

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Speaker 3: When there's a huge gap between your best and the worst,

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Speaker 4: A teams through this season.

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Speaker 2: We've done that four or five times, Yes, yeah, four

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Speaker 3: Their defensive intent on the weekend through the example of

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Speaker 4: Go Coops, Roosters and Penrith russus in there.

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Speaker 2: They've lost the last and nine times against Penrith. Okay,

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Speaker 2: How do they change their formula so it's not ten

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: See, I think most people will automatically think to scoring points,

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Speaker 2: Nathan is most likely he is He's a lot to play.

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Speaker 5: They worry what they've done? Last month? Panthers had fifteen

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Speaker 2: Haven't really been able to use the slaterism get their

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Speaker 4: They've just they know what it takes.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying they can just turn it on,

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Speaker 5: They can turn it on. It's that autopilot for them.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like the emotional rush of Leui and

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Speaker 3: for them to not have the fifteen errors, to not

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Speaker 3: a different style.

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Speaker 5: I said, double down on defense.

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Speaker 2: They need to the score points with the football. They

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Speaker 2: need to be they don't need to be flash and

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Speaker 2: And I know it won't happen, but I would be

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Speaker 4: I mean, you look, and it's just one example.

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Speaker 2: If you have a look at you know that night

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Speaker 4: Bit and just go I'm not going to mark around.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to go bang and take one of

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Speaker 4: Them miss a little bit, takes a bit of petrol

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Speaker 5: Well, that's why I think.

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Speaker 3: Doubling down on the and if this game is close

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Speaker 5: For it, said Esco.

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Speaker 3: To break through a Tideline or Swali or Marnu to

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Speaker 3: But if it is close and their defense is on

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Speaker 3: and it's frustrating Penrith, then I think if it's ten, ten, sixteen,

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Speaker 2: I have Penrith as my competition favorite still that Melbourne.

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Speaker 4: The bookie is the favorites.

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Speaker 2: With Melbourne with Nathan coming back into the side the

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Speaker 4: They're still my favorite.

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Speaker 5: How confident about Nathan's shoulder, I don't know. Actually, like

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Speaker 2: For me, it's a blind comment because I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the extent of it. They kept it

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Speaker 2: I think they're still capable.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: There's obviously an injury there, right, so it can only

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Speaker 3: what happens. But he's a true pro, like he is

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Speaker 3: Whatever medical assistance is there, he's done it. And the

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Speaker 3: fact is that he's playing tells me that he's super

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Speaker 3: saving him, because Bendick would be confident enough to beat

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Speaker 3: the Roosters with that record at home to get through

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Speaker 2: Ken halfbacks go in with a bad shoulder and arm

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I'll let you think about that the

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Speaker 2: That's the nine terams who season he's done and dusted

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Speaker 2: and time's up. Let's debrief them, debrief they're quickly canber Raiders.

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Speaker 2: The question I'm going to ask you through this is

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's the right term, what went wrong?

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Speaker 2: Because I thought that considering things that had a good season,

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Speaker 4: It's not.

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Speaker 5: It's more around like how can they win more games?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Because they've been on the cusp for a lot. I

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Speaker 3: If they're not got that gritty nature, they don't seem

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, Yeah, Fogerty's was a miss, but

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Speaker 4: By Yeah, he was very good. Young Strange had his moments,

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Speaker 5: Week weeks and was a good Yeah fine too.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a lot to be a lot to

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Speaker 2: I think going forward next year, I've got them in

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Speaker 3: That's why they need to find different ways to win,

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Speaker 3: score those points.

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Speaker 4: Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is legitimate question what went wrong because in

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Speaker 4: They little like they're on course for top four.

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Speaker 2: The wheels just came off the last third of the season,

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Speaker 3: I would say the area that that spine needs to

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Speaker 3: There's a couple of times where if you had decided

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Speaker 5: But his upside is pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Nick Remott a career best year, Hammer was good as

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Speaker 5: But I think if if their spine become a little.

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Speaker 3: with twin minths to go, if Isaiah Cartel takes that

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Speaker 4: A big question here for Christian Wolf.

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Speaker 2: There's only ever been Tim Shoens that has taken the

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Speaker 4: He was co coached with Don Ferner.

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Speaker 2: He leaves, goes back to the Broncos, shoon, takes shoes,

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Speaker 2: takes a side, and away they go. Every other coach.

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Speaker 2: They've gone off a cliff. It's like, you know, when

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Speaker 2: Jason Mutro took over. I said to a mate, I said, mate,

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Speaker 2: Wayne's left a turd under the bed somewhere. He can

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Speaker 2: smell it. He just can't find it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, well, I reckon, mate, I can't find that up.

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Speaker 5: That's a great analogy. That was good dragons.

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Speaker 2: Dragons, great suasan for Flanner, Great suason for Flanner. Big

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Speaker 2: improvement the fact they went into that, you know the end,

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Speaker 2: they were in a chance to make the eight, and

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Speaker 4: That's a big improvement. It's just getting used to winning again.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like they've had bad habits for long period

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Speaker 5: I don't like you.

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Speaker 3: Look, they joked they had the eighth spot in their grasp.

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Speaker 3: All they had to do was win one of those games,

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Speaker 5: Their intensity went out. That's the one thing that they showed.

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Speaker 3: When their forward pack was dominant and playing physical, that's

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Speaker 3: when they played their best football. And when they didn't,

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Speaker 3: that's when they do it.

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Speaker 4: Look, there's wipe in a stead boy.

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Speaker 2: Last year's success and the adulation and the expectation that

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Speaker 2: came with that success poisoned the well. And as far

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Speaker 2: as next season is concerned, the bottom line is they

440
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Speaker 2: need a lot of self assessment if they're going to

441
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Speaker 2: go anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you sit there and sieve through like the

443
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Speaker 3: football reasons why, like you could go tack defense, discipline errors,

444
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Speaker 3: whatever it is. But the thing that underpins that whole

445
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 3: thing is I think the Broncos last year, individually and

446
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 3: as a team had a real like sort of laser

447
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 3: focus to improve and get better. And I don't think

448
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 3: they had that this year, and that's ultimately why they

449
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Speaker 3: missed out on the finals.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they.

451
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Speaker 3: Worked hard enough individually to improve their game and ultimately

452
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Speaker 3: collectively to do it.

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Speaker 5: Because yeah, it's it was super disappointed just.

454
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Speaker 4: To get the mindset there.

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Speaker 2: Coops, you said something that and I think to myself,

456
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Speaker 2: a lot of teams will get to a Grand Final

457
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Speaker 2: and get beaten. And there's two ways of think, and

458
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 2: you either go away filthy and you say with failed

459
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Speaker 2: or you go off triumphant and say we didn't win it,

460
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Speaker 2: but fantastic season.

461
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Speaker 4: I think with the Broncos it was the latter.

462
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Speaker 3: The example is Pendrith got beaten by the Melbourne Storm

463
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Speaker 3: of that Grand Final and they came back in that offseason,

464
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Speaker 3: started working harder. Look what they've done. They've improved each year.

465
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Speaker 3: Paramatta got beaten in a Grand final, Bush and Bank. Yeah,

466
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 3: Brisbane got beaten in a Grand final, went Bank. If

467
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Speaker 3: they don't work hard enough.

468
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Speaker 2: To improve, Bunnies, sure bunny for another one by another one.

469
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Speaker 2: The Warriors, this is my greatest disappointment, just simply because

470
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Speaker 2: I've loved to have seen them win the competition.

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Speaker 4: A lot of expectation. Look, a lot of things didn't happen.

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Speaker 4: And I said this last week.

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Speaker 2: I thought lut Metcalf been absent for a long stretch.

474
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Speaker 2: I think it really affect the balance of their attack.

475
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Speaker 2: I think that was a contributing factor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Warriors got comfortable. They played some

477
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: really predictable, slow moving, some lacking intensity consistently but then

478
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Speaker 3: their last performance against the Sharks showed that they can

479
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Speaker 3: do it. So where has that been fifteen weeks prior

480
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Speaker 3: player Mitch.

481
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Speaker 2: Barnett agree with that, Yeah, Mitch Barnett next year. So

482
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: no Shawn Johnson, no fanil Blake, but they get James

483
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Speaker 2: Fisher Harris. Warriors always a difficult, very difficult side to

484
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Speaker 2: get a handle on whether I think.

485
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Speaker 3: The Fisher Harris signing is more about spirit and example

486
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: of what a winner looks like as opposed to adding.

487
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Speaker 5: Value to the way they play like I think what

488
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 5: he's done to that Ford.

489
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Speaker 3: Pack at Penrith, I Moses Liota, he will do to

490
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 3: that next up coming New Zealand worries for Ford front

491
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Speaker 3: row really So.

492
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Speaker 4: Now the Titans.

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Speaker 2: The Titans going into this season, the for me why

494
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: it was going to be such a tight competition because

495
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Speaker 2: I thought, we're de going there, all those players a

496
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: year old. I thought, mate, this team is going to

497
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: play finals. I don't know if it just took them

498
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: a long time to adjust to Dez's methods. I'm not

499
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: sure exactly was the last of TEENA was a big one,

500
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Speaker 2: but trying to work out the puzzle, which was the

501
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: spine a lot going on.

502
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 3: Think about the Titans for me is they need to

503
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: get a good balance on both sides of the ball.

504
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 3: The defense needs to compliment their attack and their attack

505
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: needs to compliment defense. At the moment, it's either they

506
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 3: defend really well and win games, or they defend bad

507
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: and their attack is so good that it's firepower and

508
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: score on points. They just need to find that perfect

509
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: balance between that paramatta.

510
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 4: What went wrong? There's numerous things, one of which was

511
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 4: no offense.

512
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Speaker 2: Brad did a great job, but they probably hung on

513
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: with Brad a season too long.

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Speaker 4: That's my opinion.

515
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: I think that they needed to change the formula. I

516
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: think the players got too comfortable under Brad. My opinion

517
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: the loss of Mitchell mos of course the middle of

518
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: the year and Gutha that was a factor, but they

519
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: never looked like a final side.

520
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Speaker 4: He's got a bit way through their.

521
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Speaker 2: Even just in attitude, because what's a lot of the

522
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: players interviewed like if I got a new coach coming

523
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: in and they say, Maddie, you're looking for the roles,

524
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Speaker 2: you come and can't wait.

525
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Speaker 4: Fantastic new start.

526
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: Here is a great bloke, but it was very it

527
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: was almost like a resentment that the Brad was gone

528
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: or Trent wasn't going to be the coach.

529
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Speaker 3: And we're also taled team that played a Grand Final

530
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: two years ago. Yeah something for me, it tells you

531
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Speaker 3: that they lacked the inspiration to want to climb that

532
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: mountain again because they did it to get there.

533
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Speaker 5: Then all of a sudden they've dropped off.

534
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Speaker 3: They two years ago they were playing in Grand Final

535
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 3: and on the weekend they played.

536
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 5: In the spoon ball.

537
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dylan Brown was their best play but a lot

538
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: happened over the course of the weekend.

539
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Speaker 4: And wait for.

540
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Speaker 3: I think he's okay partial to Yeah, yeah, I think

541
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Speaker 3: he's okay. That's a huge thing for Jason Rowles. If

542
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: you've gone five eight, he's out for half of the season.

543
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Speaker 5: That's a huge thing wrong for all.

544
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 4: That South was a disastrous season.

545
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Speaker 5: What went wrong?

546
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: Well, the Chickens come home to roost. We've said that before.

547
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: They've been aside that has you know, there's been carelessness

548
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: around their football, there's been lack of focus, there's been distractions.

549
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 4: Jason Demitri clearly wasn't the man.

550
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: Look, Wayne goes there next year, but it's going to

551
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: take more than just a bit of magic dust from way,

552
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: ain't it.

553
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

554
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Speaker 3: They lacked intensity, consistency, all those things that make you

555
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: a good team. This was a club that's on his knees.

556
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: In the first half of the season, they were bad,

557
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: really bad. And if it was anyone other than Wayne Bennett,

558
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 3: You're probably thinking, where's light at the end of the tunnel.

559
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 3: But Wayne's got this ability to make Cody and Latrell

560
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 3: work harder than what they normally do. And if they

561
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: can do that, they're a good team.

562
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the Tigers. Look what went wrong before we

563
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: get to that. We'll talk general before we get to

564
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: that last game. They just didn't quite have the experience

565
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: of the confidence in key positions to win consistently.

566
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Speaker 4: Last performance, Coop was the shocker. It was I hope

567
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: that they are embarrassed bite because Coop.

568
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Speaker 2: In that month leading up to that last game, there

569
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: was a real great feeling about the Tigers. You know,

570
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: the fans were turning up, everyone was excited. You got

571
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: Leway coming and Taruva so on, and.

572
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Speaker 4: I couldn't believe what they served up in that last game.

573
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: Craig Belly as you to say this Tommy year. Yeah,

574
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: good and bad habits show up. So if you've improved

575
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: and got more good habits than your good footy kinks

576
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: in if you're bad habits, there the Tigers for me

577
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: to play against the Paramount Eels, who conceded five tries

578
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: in the last ten minutes a week before. All the

579
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: Tigers needed to do was be disciplined and make their

580
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: tackles yep and hold onto the ball, and they would

581
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: have run through the Paramount Eels at some stage.

582
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 5: But what they did coras how got sinbinned. They turned

583
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 5: over errors.

584
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 3: They were flamboyant from the start, and Galvin is the

585
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: shining light. But if you're investing a lot of time

586
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 3: like we did about the Dolphins, in young kids in

587
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: key positions to make all the decisions in a game,

588
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: you're going to have a lot of learnings as opposed

589
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: to good times. Yeah, that was one of the more

590
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: disappointing performances of the season overall.

591
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: Some of the worst defensive effits I've ever seen. Yeah,

592
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: oh well, Tigs and those other sides. Twenty twenty five

593
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: will come around pretty quick.

594
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Speaker 4: But looking forward to this week, Coops