WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live: Peter Dutton Pub Test 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:04.520 Live from Dixon with Peter Dutte and this is the 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:08.520 Paul Murray Pub Test Can I Australia and welcome to 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:14.400 beautiful Brisbonds. Got some hardcourse in the room, hard dog 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:17.720 viewers and for Murray Live. They are here to fire 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.680 up and we have got an awful lot to get 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.720 to have very special guests tonight is none other than 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.599 Peter Dutton, the Opposition leader. He'll join us up front 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:28.520 in a moment or two time. He's just walking through 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.240 with his family right now. Thank you to him for 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.240 being here for this hour. The whole point of this 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.000 is to see what you think and the questions that 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.280 you have for a person who in just about a 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.360 month's time could end up being the Prime minister of 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:45.080 the country. Now, for those that are half watching, for 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.000 those that are half watching, this is a room of 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.680 people who watch our program. They have for as long 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:53.720 as we've been around, for fifteen years, or maybe just 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.600 for fifteen days. But I want to say at the start, 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:58.560 thank you to all of you for your support of 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.560 the show. And it was by their own nomination to 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.440 put up their own hand to be in the room. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:05.479 And that is the first one hundred and fifty people 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.880 who send an email to us are the people here, 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.440 and we've got plenty of people with questions to get 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:13.720 to before we get to anything else, and before we 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.319 have the great thrill of a little bogan's life, which 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.280 is to be able to have this forum, to be 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.760 on TV, to talk to a person who, as I say, 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.759 may will end up being a prime minister. I want 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.520 to send strength and love to people that are doing 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.720 it very tough, and of course those are the people 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.160 out west and those floods. Before we get into anything else, 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.640 there has been a huge amount of rain. Expectations are 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.720 again the year's worth in a very short period of time. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.080 These are some of the latest pictures. Here are some 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.160 of the people who we've been able to talk to 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:44.840 in the past couple of days. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.400 Our biggest priority now that everyone in town has sort 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.560 of safely accounted for, is we've just got to get 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:55.720 to our livestock. But resources are just so stretched. Our 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.800 local authorities have just been completely inundated, and we're just 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.320 trying to do what we can for ourselves and to 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.160 help our neighbors. And we really need adgas to keep 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.200 coming in if we're to continue our recovery. 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.720 Efforts. Here's the mayor speaking on behalf of how they're 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.560 helping the community on afternoon agenda here on Score News. 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.880 Sending all our water down the river to the next 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:22.320 town who are just absolutely getting inundated and now suffering 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.360 this similar thing as aid of our being being that 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.040 they're evacuating their homes and at a. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.760 Time when every citizen needs leadership. Peter Upton turned up 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.560 today to those people to try to speak to as 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.400 many of them as possible. Here is part of what 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.840 was said, buy those floodwaters today. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:47.680 You've saved many houses and many businesses from that. Some 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.680 obviously haven't been able to be saved, but the rebuild 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.880 will be incredibly important. But make the plan now and 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.359 have a look at the maps and coeen zone and 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.280 help these great coin Zoners recover from what is is 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:01.240 a really traumatic event. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.200 So thanks for having this really much o. Thank you. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.040 Now, let's compare the pair as the Union's superannuation funds 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.280 would like us to do. Tropical Cyclone Alfred ext Tropical 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:14.079 Cyclone Alfred, which apparently delayed the election, caused a huge 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.840 amount of change to the budget. It had at a 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.560 tide about four hundred and sixty five meals in Brisbane. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.640 We learn via the bomb tonight that the rain in 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:27.639 this area is anywhere between three hundred and five hundred meals. 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.200 So could somebody please tell me why the Prime Minister 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.080 and the Treasurer hasn't been out there yet or is 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.160 it just because there's not enough people and we are 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.800 in an election. To me, that's a sign of values 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.800 and about taking valuable time off the campaign trail to 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.360 be with even the smallest group of people when they 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.240 are having trouble. Now tonight, I wanted to frame before 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.880 we have our conversation here tonight for those who may 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.040 be watching for the first time, those that are watching on, 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.040 or those who need a little reminder about the things 0:03:56.080 --> 0:04:00.640 we have talked about for the past three years. Over 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.280 the past three years, it has become harder to pay 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.480 off a house. Right now, near record numbers of people 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.080 are anything called financial stress, meaning they don't have enough 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.560 money to pay off a house. They don't have enough 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.680 money to be able to afford the rent when it 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.360 comes to the rent. In cities like Brisbane, a little 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.400 further up, a little further down, and a further in, 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:25.080 there are fewer places to rent than ever before, a 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.040 story which no one seems to be interested in the election, 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.920 but I know you care about because we talk about 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.440 it every couple of nights. There are more than three 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.000 million households in Australia that will run out of food 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:41.640 this week. That's the reality of Australia in twenty twenty five, 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.880 far from what was promised in twenty twenty two. Will 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.839 there be a question about that at any press conference 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.279 at any time in the next little while, You and 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.599 I both know probably not, because it doesn't serve for 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.120 whatever reason, the purpose of clickbait that so often is 0:04:55.160 --> 0:05:00.320 the case. Three million people are this close to homeless 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.440 in Australia because of a whole series of things that 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.279 they can't control. That is a change, and a change 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:11.520 for the worse. Over the past three years, Chinese warships 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.760 have circled our country and a spy vessel is towards 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.440 the south of it as we speak, and it has 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.719 the capability to have submarines in it that can cut 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.320 the cables that connect to Australia to the rest of 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.560 the world. Our schools are now at a stage where 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.719 one in three students are not meeting their minimum standards. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.120 These are not numbers made up by a far right 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.360 wing think tank or pulled out of my significant backside. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.080 These are numbers that come from the same source of 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:42.680 information that the federal government gets. As a child of 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.000 parents of small business, I care a lot that business 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.239 insolvencies are out a four year high. Tens of thousands 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.760 of people who made a decision to sit outside the 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:55.360 triangle of dependency, the people who don't want to work 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.039 for the government. They don't want to be dependent on 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:58.800 the government, and they don't want the government to be 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.280 their biggest client. They know the only way to get 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.239 a pay rise, just like my father and my brother, 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.240 is to get up earlier and go to bed later. 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.800 That has an effect on their families. In the federal budget, 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:10.799 the instant accent right off, which was up to twenty 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.880 thousand dollars for these people, has now been wiped to 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.360 just down to one thousand dollars. All of this matters 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.640 because we live in a country that is better than 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.200 what it is right now. And if that seems overtly political, 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.760 bloody oath. Because we care about our country and we 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.120 think it's in the wrong place. The man who's promising 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.200 to try to put it back on track. Is none 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.640 other than the opposition leader and the Member for Dixon. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:34.760 Please welcome Peter. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:43.760 Dunny thinking great to see it, right to see. 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:51.000 It, so Peter, thank you very much and thank you 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.200 to everyone who is who is here. Look, I paint 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.000 a picture that no doubt people will say, oh Jesus, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.680 just reading off an ad But the reality is that 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.080 all of that stuff isn't made up. That is the 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.159 actual lived experience of somebody whose business has fallen apart 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.400 about people who were promised in three years ago that 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.040 everything would get better, and that people who have had 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.120 to pay tens of thousands of dollars more to pay 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.760 off a house. So I love when the Prime Minister 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.640 turns around and says that you've painted a dark picture, 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.560 Well you're using the brush that is the numbers that 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:25.920 come from his own government. 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.240 Or to just take one number, Paul, twenty nine thousand 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.760 small businesses have closed over the last two and a 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:32.520 half three years. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.800 And it's a number that just rolls off our tongue. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.400 But the reality is that behind each one of those 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:41.720 business vlues, somebody's lost their home, somebody's lost their life savings, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.840 their dream and their aspiration. And that is a record 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:49.000 number of business closures in our country's history, and the 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:50.880 Prime Minister doesn't utter a word about it. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:52.920 And that's just one example. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.840 I think of the reality for many Australians at the moment, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.840 the seven consecutive quarters where households have been in recession 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.160 to this government, again without precedent in our country's history, 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.560 and the Prime Minister wants people to believe that everything's okay, 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.440 be thankful, to be grateful for the three great years 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.920 he's delivered, and that's not the lived reality for many 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:13.760 many Australians. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:15.880 We've heard in the past week or so about what 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.880 the apparent values of each political party is and you're 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:20.200 on the right side of this or they're on the 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.800 wrong side of that. It was your budget in reply 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.400 speech that focused on food bank. Now again with three 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.360 and a bit minion people households, so it's more than 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.160 those people don't not know where the food's going to 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.079 come from. You decided to elevate that right. I mentioned 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.880 it right now, not because I'm rolling out the red carpet, 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:41.400 but because the reality of that is, people who should 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.640 be doing better are doing worse, and this government has 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:49.240 spent more money advertising itself than helping out those sorts 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:49.880 of charities. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.600 I just think the argument's compelling. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.760 And when we've moved around to different food banks and 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.319 different charities and church groups and others who are dispensing 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:03.320 food providing support to families, what they've told us is 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.920 that people who are coming through the door now are. 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.079 The working poor, people who are working. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.360 Full time jobs and yet turning up having to turn 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:15.640 up to ask cap in hand for a food package 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.800 for their children, people who are living rough. 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.120 This is a big issue in our electorate here in Dixon. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.880 Where people are camping out, they're intense, they're living in 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.120 the backs of cars. That doesn't have any place in 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.079 our country where we have the ability to help people. 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:33.280 And unfortunately the government's taken decisions which do hurt people. 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.480 And so we announced fifty million dollars in the budget 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.360 to provide support to food bank and a couple of 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.680 other well hopefully many others across the country that we 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:47.000 can provide that support to and hopefully provide an opportunity 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.240 and a pathway forward for those families who are really 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:50.120 really struggling. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.720 Let me leap on the elephant in the room and 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.480 get everyone from the assembled media you're interested in particular. 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:59.560 A month ago, there was a poll that said that 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.040 you were a couple the sheets seeds short of the majority. 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.920 One month later, those polls are different. However, you would 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:07.760 know that when you entered the Voice debate, the polls 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.840 were sixty forty in favor of Yes. How do you 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.400 get to do in a few weeks what took a 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:15.200 few months? 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:17.520 Well, Paul, I think there are a lot of Austrains 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:18.880 at the moment who couldn't even tell you there's an 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.520 election coming up because they're busy running their kids around, 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.880 they're busy with school, they're busy at work. And I 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.760 think people will tune in when we get closer to 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.280 the election. I don't think a lot of people have 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.840 heard our budget and reply message, which was to reduce 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.360 the fuel tax by twenty five cents a leader, so 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.400 that people are saving fourteen dollars every time they fill 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:38.960 up their team. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:45.080 And there is life outside of the can re bubble. 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:45.839 Let's do it. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:47.400 But that's the relet I mean. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.040 We're in Thargaminda today, as Paul pointed out before, and 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.600 it's heartbreaking to see what people have gone through. But 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:54.800 when the mayor there was asked by one of the 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.520 journalists traveling with us, what would you prefer seventy cents 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.840 a day by way of tax cut in fifteen months 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.600 time or the cut in the fuel tax by twenty 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.240 five cents a lead and without hesitation, he said, but 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.960 I've got to travel four hundred kilometers to Chinchilla to 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.280 go to go and see the dentist store, to pick 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:15.360 up provisions, et cetera. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:17.000 It's a no brainer. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.839 So it helps people, particularly in our original areas, out 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:25.079 of metropolitan areas, and that's been a deliberate design of 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.120 that feature of that announcement that we've made because people 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.160 particularly in out of metro areas and particularly in regional 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.000 areas I think have been hit hardest by this government 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.600 and have been forgotten most by this government as well. 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.120 All right, let's get to some questions here, Stephen, thank 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:41.840 you very much for joining us. What's a question you'd 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:42.280 like to ask? 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.760 It's great to see you know the scenes on TV. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.840 Yes, I'm sure, and fatter in real life. I understand. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:55.439 I get it. I get what you're saying. Good body, double, 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.319 what's that? What's your question. 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.760 To many hopeless on first hand or for the rank, 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.080 so that's their useless and people out of. 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:06.960 Here are really struggling. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.720 So I really want to see you get stuck in 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:10.960 everything they say. 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:12.360 I want you to recoff that. 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.680 I want you to get right into the grip and 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.320 tell them that they're useless and also tell people at 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.000 the useless. But the firsas on I've got really is 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.680 is early voting is also coming up. Do you have 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.200 any policies in place you can tell us before the 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.440 early voting starts so we can. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:29.800 Get some sort of plans happening. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.080 But certainly we do. I'll go through a couple of days. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.920 We've obviously got some that we're about to announce as well, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.760 and they'll be out before people turn up to vote. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:41.240 But a couple of important areas. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.319 Other Housing is one of the biggest issues confronting our country, 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.720 and I want young people to believe again that they 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:47.480 can own a home. 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.439 The government's brought in about a million people over the. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.040 Last two years, and all of those migrants, of course 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.720 want housing for their families as well. But the trouble 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.600 is for a lot of young Australians they've been locked 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.840 out of how people find it hard to find rental 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:06.080 accommodation and not just younger Australians, but older Australians as well, 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.600 So how can we provide support to them. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.280 We've said that we need to build more houses. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.440 So if we can put five billion dollars which is 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:20.640 the pledge that we've made into councils and into infrastructure 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:22.800 to try and get the sewage and the water built 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.480 so that the next phase of or the next block 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.800 of land can be brought on, that creates about five 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.920 hundred thousand new homes. We've said for two years that 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.640 we want to ban foreign residents from buying Australian homes 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:43.280 and that will allow young Australians to get ahead. And 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.119 by doing all of that, by reducing the migration program, 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.640 which is what we've pledged to do by twenty five percent, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.240 all of that creates about forty thousand homes in the 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.120 first year and one hundred thousand homes over five years. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.000 So that will bring on six hundred homes which will 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.959 be available to Australians. But if the government keeps bringing 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.560 people in at the rate that they have, which is 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.600 again the highest migration intake in our country's history. In fact, 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.400 the last two years there's been seventy percent higher than 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.480 any two year period in our country's history. 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:16.920 And you wonder why there's a housing crisis. 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.520 And we need to have a managed migration program, but 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.760 one that works for our country and one that serves 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.280 our best interests. And I'm just not going to tolerate 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.360 a situation where young Australians are locked out of housing 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:32.440 and the Prime Minister will bring in about depending on 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:34.360 whether you believe the figures, but I think it's going 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.160 to nudge over two million, bring in two million people 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.120 over five years, which is a population bigger than the 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.400 size of Adelaide. And they've pulled money out of infrastructure, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:48.320 so it's not just housing, it's other infrastructure, medical hospitals, 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:49.520 it's schooling. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.680 It's the fact that people are sitting in gridlock. 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.680 Now on their way to work and on their way 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.360 home in the afternoon. One of the I think the 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.480 most egregious things. And I don't think the Prime Minister 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.600 has been called out for this, but it was never 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.320 mentioned before the last election, this big Australia policy that 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.040 the government's now delivered. 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:11.160 All right, got another question here, Stephen, your question for 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:12.080 penning Uton tonight. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.640 Thanks thanks very much for being here tonight. My question is, 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.000 as this nation heads towards a trillion dollars in debt, 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.840 how will you and your party show some physical responsibility 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:26.120 and restraint but at the same time provide direct support 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.760 to families who are really struggling and need hope. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.960 And bring down everything by way of expense at the 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.200 same time. It's like it's a difficult I think your 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:41.480 point is that we have to undertake services and we 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.040 need to defend ourselves as a country. We need to 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:48.080 provide support to the essential services. But what's happened over 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:49.680 the course of the last three years is that the 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.640 government spent an extra four hundred and twenty five billion dollars, 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.600 which is what's fueled inflation and the cost of everything 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.160 the schooner of beer, the meal that you go out 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.400 to purchase, the rest of thirty percent higher groceries. That 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.880 inflationary impact has been felled across the economy. So we 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.120 need to get the basics right. The economy needs to 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.200 be better managed. And I just make this point. When 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.160 John Howard came in in ninety six, he had an 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.200 enormous debt that labor had bequeathed to the Income and 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.400 Coalition government they paid that debt down and they ran. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.440 Our economy successfully. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.160 When Tony Abbott came in off the back of the 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.120 rud Gillard years, we put in place measures which helped 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.120 us get back to a balanced budget position. And this 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.680 government has racked up now as you point out the 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.280 trillion dollars of debt over the next twelve months, and 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.120 it goes to one point two trillion dollars, and that 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.160 is about one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars per household. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:44.200 So it's our. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.000 Next generation who's going to be saddled with paying that 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.920 debt off. So as a liberal, I pride myself on 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.320 the fact that many of us have come from a 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.440 business background. Many of us have employed staff, We've made 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.120 investment decisions, and we know how to manage the economy. 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.880 I was assistant treasure in the Howard years and I've 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.399 been part of expenditure review committees for a number of 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.399 years as well, so I know how to put a 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.040 budget together. And Angus Taylor and Jane Hume and the 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.680 rest of our team have that experience. We can provide 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.320 a good budget outcome if we cut the waste and 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.960 if we make sure that money is being spent efficiently, 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.959 and that gives us the ability to invest into defense, 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.840 which we need to, and to provide support to families 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.680 to recover from what's been a pretty horrible three years. 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:30.560 For many families. 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.240 You talk about the next generation, and I can't help 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.199 them say, this is the moment to say it. You've 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.680 given lots of big speeches, they're lots of big interviews live. 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.879 Your kids are in the front row tonight, though, and 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.119 you talk about that next generation. It get slightly nervy 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.119 when they're watching you this close. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.119 They're actually just out of shop. But now I am 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.280 nervous because I can see this, I see them sitting there. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.119 So I was looking at this young man here before 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.480 and thinking he's the one that's going to be. 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.240 Startled with Labour's debt. And that's exactly what happened. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.119 When I mean part one of the reason that I 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.560 was attracted into politics was as a kid growing up, 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.720 the conversation around our dinner table was probably not disimilar 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.159 to many families now, where the question is how do 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.560 you pay the bills? And you work harder and harder, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.480 but you're going backwards, or for many families now, they're 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.160 just not keeping their head above water, and I want 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.800 to make sure that we manage the economy well, which 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.359 coalition governments do, and that will allow us to make 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.520 better choices and allow the next generation to make choices 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:28.240 for themselves. 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.480 Good answer. I just wanted to get guys on the telling. 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:32.760 Take it as sums up for dad. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:34.320 There we are, we're in the front row. 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.439 I hope we're going to keep running soon. Run all right? 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.520 Thank you? You a free tender here you goo guys. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.000 All right, Sue, is that the next person to ask? Pet? 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.160 It up in a question here? As we're live doing 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.600 a pub test from a pub here in Brisbane, what's 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:47.520 your question for the man who may be PM? 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.440 Thank you Peter for doing what you're doing. Really appreciate it. 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.639 My question is what is your position on the Paris 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.640 Agreement in regard to net zero missions by twenty fifty. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.159 Well, so we've it. 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:03.840 It's a good question and it's on the minds of 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.359 many Australians. I think what we need to do and 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.199 what we've announced it will do in relation to the 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.720 energy policy, is that we need to have cheaper electricity. 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.800 First point, we're paying three times the cost of electricity 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:19.680 compared to Wyoming or Tennessee or Ontario to other comparable 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.800 cities and nations around the world. So the first thing 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.800 is price, and at the moment there's no regard for price. 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.480 It just seems that people are expected to pay more 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.879 and more. And under this government, electricity has gone up 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.320 by about thirty two percent and gas has gone up 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.760