Speaker 1: Live from Dixon with Peter Dutte and this is the
Speaker 1: Paul Murray Pub Test Can I Australia and welcome to
Speaker 1: beautiful Brisbonds. Got some hardcourse in the room, hard dog
Speaker 1: viewers and for Murray Live. They are here to fire
Speaker 1: up and we have got an awful lot to get
Speaker 1: to have very special guests tonight is none other than
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton, the Opposition leader. He'll join us up front
Speaker 1: in a moment or two time. He's just walking through
Speaker 1: with his family right now. Thank you to him for
Speaker 1: being here for this hour. The whole point of this
Speaker 1: is to see what you think and the questions that
Speaker 1: you have for a person who in just about a
Speaker 1: month's time could end up being the Prime minister of
Speaker 1: the country. Now, for those that are half watching, for
Speaker 1: those that are half watching, this is a room of
Speaker 1: people who watch our program. They have for as long
Speaker 1: as we've been around, for fifteen years, or maybe just
Speaker 1: for fifteen days. But I want to say at the start,
Speaker 1: thank you to all of you for your support of
Speaker 1: the show. And it was by their own nomination to
Speaker 1: put up their own hand to be in the room.
Speaker 1: And that is the first one hundred and fifty people
Speaker 1: who send an email to us are the people here,
Speaker 1: and we've got plenty of people with questions to get
Speaker 1: to before we get to anything else, and before we
Speaker 1: have the great thrill of a little bogan's life, which
Speaker 1: is to be able to have this forum, to be
Speaker 1: on TV, to talk to a person who, as I say,
Speaker 1: may will end up being a prime minister. I want
Speaker 1: to send strength and love to people that are doing
Speaker 1: it very tough, and of course those are the people
Speaker 1: out west and those floods. Before we get into anything else,
Speaker 1: there has been a huge amount of rain. Expectations are
Speaker 1: again the year's worth in a very short period of time.
Speaker 1: These are some of the latest pictures. Here are some
Speaker 1: of the people who we've been able to talk to
Speaker 1: in the past couple of days.
Speaker 2: Our biggest priority now that everyone in town has sort
Speaker 2: of safely accounted for, is we've just got to get
Speaker 2: to our livestock. But resources are just so stretched. Our
Speaker 2: local authorities have just been completely inundated, and we're just
Speaker 2: trying to do what we can for ourselves and to
Speaker 2: help our neighbors. And we really need adgas to keep
Speaker 2: coming in if we're to continue our recovery.
Speaker 1: Efforts. Here's the mayor speaking on behalf of how they're
Speaker 1: helping the community on afternoon agenda here on Score News.
Speaker 3: Sending all our water down the river to the next
Speaker 3: town who are just absolutely getting inundated and now suffering
Speaker 3: this similar thing as aid of our being being that
Speaker 3: they're evacuating their homes and at a.
Speaker 1: Time when every citizen needs leadership. Peter Upton turned up
Speaker 1: today to those people to try to speak to as
Speaker 1: many of them as possible. Here is part of what
Speaker 1: was said, buy those floodwaters today.
Speaker 4: You've saved many houses and many businesses from that. Some
Speaker 4: obviously haven't been able to be saved, but the rebuild
Speaker 4: will be incredibly important. But make the plan now and
Speaker 4: have a look at the maps and coeen zone and
Speaker 4: help these great coin Zoners recover from what is is
Speaker 4: a really traumatic event.
Speaker 5: So thanks for having this really much o. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Now, let's compare the pair as the Union's superannuation funds
Speaker 1: would like us to do. Tropical Cyclone Alfred ext Tropical
Speaker 1: Cyclone Alfred, which apparently delayed the election, caused a huge
Speaker 1: amount of change to the budget. It had at a
Speaker 1: tide about four hundred and sixty five meals in Brisbane.
Speaker 1: We learn via the bomb tonight that the rain in
Speaker 1: this area is anywhere between three hundred and five hundred meals.
Speaker 1: So could somebody please tell me why the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: and the Treasurer hasn't been out there yet or is
Speaker 1: it just because there's not enough people and we are
Speaker 1: in an election. To me, that's a sign of values
Speaker 1: and about taking valuable time off the campaign trail to
Speaker 1: be with even the smallest group of people when they
Speaker 1: are having trouble. Now tonight, I wanted to frame before
Speaker 1: we have our conversation here tonight for those who may
Speaker 1: be watching for the first time, those that are watching on,
Speaker 1: or those who need a little reminder about the things
Speaker 1: we have talked about for the past three years. Over
Speaker 1: the past three years, it has become harder to pay
Speaker 1: off a house. Right now, near record numbers of people
Speaker 1: are anything called financial stress, meaning they don't have enough
Speaker 1: money to pay off a house. They don't have enough
Speaker 1: money to be able to afford the rent when it
Speaker 1: comes to the rent. In cities like Brisbane, a little
Speaker 1: further up, a little further down, and a further in,
Speaker 1: there are fewer places to rent than ever before, a
Speaker 1: story which no one seems to be interested in the election,
Speaker 1: but I know you care about because we talk about
Speaker 1: it every couple of nights. There are more than three
Speaker 1: million households in Australia that will run out of food
Speaker 1: this week. That's the reality of Australia in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: far from what was promised in twenty twenty two. Will
Speaker 1: there be a question about that at any press conference
Speaker 1: at any time in the next little while, You and
Speaker 1: I both know probably not, because it doesn't serve for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, the purpose of clickbait that so often is
Speaker 1: the case. Three million people are this close to homeless
Speaker 1: in Australia because of a whole series of things that
Speaker 1: they can't control. That is a change, and a change
Speaker 1: for the worse. Over the past three years, Chinese warships
Speaker 1: have circled our country and a spy vessel is towards
Speaker 1: the south of it as we speak, and it has
Speaker 1: the capability to have submarines in it that can cut
Speaker 1: the cables that connect to Australia to the rest of
Speaker 1: the world. Our schools are now at a stage where
Speaker 1: one in three students are not meeting their minimum standards.
Speaker 1: These are not numbers made up by a far right
Speaker 1: wing think tank or pulled out of my significant backside.
Speaker 1: These are numbers that come from the same source of
Speaker 1: information that the federal government gets. As a child of
Speaker 1: parents of small business, I care a lot that business
Speaker 1: insolvencies are out a four year high. Tens of thousands
Speaker 1: of people who made a decision to sit outside the
Speaker 1: triangle of dependency, the people who don't want to work
Speaker 1: for the government. They don't want to be dependent on
Speaker 1: the government, and they don't want the government to be
Speaker 1: their biggest client. They know the only way to get
Speaker 1: a pay rise, just like my father and my brother,
Speaker 1: is to get up earlier and go to bed later.
Speaker 1: That has an effect on their families. In the federal budget,
Speaker 1: the instant accent right off, which was up to twenty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for these people, has now been wiped to
Speaker 1: just down to one thousand dollars. All of this matters
Speaker 1: because we live in a country that is better than
Speaker 1: what it is right now. And if that seems overtly political,
Speaker 1: bloody oath. Because we care about our country and we
Speaker 1: think it's in the wrong place. The man who's promising
Speaker 1: to try to put it back on track. Is none
Speaker 1: other than the opposition leader and the Member for Dixon.
Speaker 1: Please welcome Peter.
Speaker 5: Dunny thinking great to see it, right to see.
Speaker 1: It, so Peter, thank you very much and thank you
Speaker 1: to everyone who is who is here. Look, I paint
Speaker 1: a picture that no doubt people will say, oh Jesus,
Speaker 1: just reading off an ad But the reality is that
Speaker 1: all of that stuff isn't made up. That is the
Speaker 1: actual lived experience of somebody whose business has fallen apart
Speaker 1: about people who were promised in three years ago that
Speaker 1: everything would get better, and that people who have had
Speaker 1: to pay tens of thousands of dollars more to pay
Speaker 1: off a house. So I love when the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: turns around and says that you've painted a dark picture,
Speaker 1: Well you're using the brush that is the numbers that
Speaker 1: come from his own government.
Speaker 4: Or to just take one number, Paul, twenty nine thousand
Speaker 4: small businesses have closed over the last two and a
Speaker 4: half three years.
Speaker 5: And it's a number that just rolls off our tongue.
Speaker 4: But the reality is that behind each one of those
Speaker 4: business vlues, somebody's lost their home, somebody's lost their life savings,
Speaker 4: their dream and their aspiration. And that is a record
Speaker 4: number of business closures in our country's history, and the
Speaker 4: Prime Minister doesn't utter a word about it.
Speaker 5: And that's just one example.
Speaker 4: I think of the reality for many Australians at the moment,
Speaker 4: the seven consecutive quarters where households have been in recession
Speaker 4: to this government, again without precedent in our country's history,
Speaker 4: and the Prime Minister wants people to believe that everything's okay,
Speaker 4: be thankful, to be grateful for the three great years
Speaker 4: he's delivered, and that's not the lived reality for many
Speaker 4: many Australians.
Speaker 1: We've heard in the past week or so about what
Speaker 1: the apparent values of each political party is and you're
Speaker 1: on the right side of this or they're on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of that. It was your budget in reply
Speaker 1: speech that focused on food bank. Now again with three
Speaker 1: and a bit minion people households, so it's more than
Speaker 1: those people don't not know where the food's going to
Speaker 1: come from. You decided to elevate that right. I mentioned
Speaker 1: it right now, not because I'm rolling out the red carpet,
Speaker 1: but because the reality of that is, people who should
Speaker 1: be doing better are doing worse, and this government has
Speaker 1: spent more money advertising itself than helping out those sorts
Speaker 1: of charities.
Speaker 5: I just think the argument's compelling.
Speaker 4: And when we've moved around to different food banks and
Speaker 4: different charities and church groups and others who are dispensing
Speaker 4: food providing support to families, what they've told us is
Speaker 4: that people who are coming through the door now are.
Speaker 5: The working poor, people who are working.
Speaker 4: Full time jobs and yet turning up having to turn
Speaker 4: up to ask cap in hand for a food package
Speaker 4: for their children, people who are living rough.
Speaker 5: This is a big issue in our electorate here in Dixon.
Speaker 4: Where people are camping out, they're intense, they're living in
Speaker 4: the backs of cars. That doesn't have any place in
Speaker 4: our country where we have the ability to help people.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately the government's taken decisions which do hurt people.
Speaker 4: And so we announced fifty million dollars in the budget
Speaker 4: to provide support to food bank and a couple of
Speaker 4: other well hopefully many others across the country that we
Speaker 4: can provide that support to and hopefully provide an opportunity
Speaker 4: and a pathway forward for those families who are really
Speaker 4: really struggling.
Speaker 1: Let me leap on the elephant in the room and
Speaker 1: get everyone from the assembled media you're interested in particular.
Speaker 1: A month ago, there was a poll that said that
Speaker 1: you were a couple the sheets seeds short of the majority.
Speaker 1: One month later, those polls are different. However, you would
Speaker 1: know that when you entered the Voice debate, the polls
Speaker 1: were sixty forty in favor of Yes. How do you
Speaker 1: get to do in a few weeks what took a
Speaker 1: few months?
Speaker 4: Well, Paul, I think there are a lot of Austrains
Speaker 4: at the moment who couldn't even tell you there's an
Speaker 4: election coming up because they're busy running their kids around,
Speaker 4: they're busy with school, they're busy at work. And I
Speaker 4: think people will tune in when we get closer to
Speaker 4: the election. I don't think a lot of people have
Speaker 4: heard our budget and reply message, which was to reduce
Speaker 4: the fuel tax by twenty five cents a leader, so
Speaker 4: that people are saving fourteen dollars every time they fill
Speaker 4: up their team.
Speaker 1: And there is life outside of the can re bubble.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 5: But that's the relet I mean.
Speaker 4: We're in Thargaminda today, as Paul pointed out before, and
Speaker 4: it's heartbreaking to see what people have gone through. But
Speaker 4: when the mayor there was asked by one of the
Speaker 4: journalists traveling with us, what would you prefer seventy cents
Speaker 4: a day by way of tax cut in fifteen months
Speaker 4: time or the cut in the fuel tax by twenty
Speaker 4: five cents a lead and without hesitation, he said, but
Speaker 4: I've got to travel four hundred kilometers to Chinchilla to
Speaker 4: go to go and see the dentist store, to pick
Speaker 4: up provisions, et cetera.
Speaker 5: It's a no brainer.
Speaker 4: So it helps people, particularly in our original areas, out
Speaker 4: of metropolitan areas, and that's been a deliberate design of
Speaker 4: that feature of that announcement that we've made because people
Speaker 4: particularly in out of metro areas and particularly in regional
Speaker 4: areas I think have been hit hardest by this government
Speaker 4: and have been forgotten most by this government as well.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some questions here, Stephen, thank
Speaker 1: you very much for joining us. What's a question you'd
Speaker 1: like to ask?
Speaker 6: It's great to see you know the scenes on TV.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sure, and fatter in real life. I understand.
Speaker 1: I get it. I get what you're saying. Good body, double,
Speaker 1: what's that? What's your question.
Speaker 6: To many hopeless on first hand or for the rank,
Speaker 6: so that's their useless and people out of.
Speaker 5: Here are really struggling.
Speaker 6: So I really want to see you get stuck in
Speaker 6: everything they say.
Speaker 5: I want you to recoff that.
Speaker 6: I want you to get right into the grip and
Speaker 6: tell them that they're useless and also tell people at
Speaker 6: the useless. But the firsas on I've got really is
Speaker 6: is early voting is also coming up. Do you have
Speaker 6: any policies in place you can tell us before the
Speaker 6: early voting starts so we can.
Speaker 1: Get some sort of plans happening.
Speaker 4: But certainly we do. I'll go through a couple of days.
Speaker 4: We've obviously got some that we're about to announce as well,
Speaker 4: and they'll be out before people turn up to vote.
Speaker 5: But a couple of important areas.
Speaker 4: Other Housing is one of the biggest issues confronting our country,
Speaker 4: and I want young people to believe again that they
Speaker 4: can own a home.
Speaker 5: The government's brought in about a million people over the.
Speaker 4: Last two years, and all of those migrants, of course
Speaker 4: want housing for their families as well. But the trouble
Speaker 4: is for a lot of young Australians they've been locked
Speaker 4: out of how people find it hard to find rental
Speaker 4: accommodation and not just younger Australians, but older Australians as well,
Speaker 4: So how can we provide support to them.
Speaker 5: We've said that we need to build more houses.
Speaker 4: So if we can put five billion dollars which is
Speaker 4: the pledge that we've made into councils and into infrastructure
Speaker 4: to try and get the sewage and the water built
Speaker 4: so that the next phase of or the next block
Speaker 4: of land can be brought on, that creates about five
Speaker 4: hundred thousand new homes. We've said for two years that
Speaker 4: we want to ban foreign residents from buying Australian homes
Speaker 4: and that will allow young Australians to get ahead. And
Speaker 4: by doing all of that, by reducing the migration program,
Speaker 4: which is what we've pledged to do by twenty five percent,
Speaker 4: all of that creates about forty thousand homes in the
Speaker 4: first year and one hundred thousand homes over five years.
Speaker 4: So that will bring on six hundred homes which will
Speaker 4: be available to Australians. But if the government keeps bringing
Speaker 4: people in at the rate that they have, which is
Speaker 4: again the highest migration intake in our country's history. In fact,
Speaker 4: the last two years there's been seventy percent higher than
Speaker 4: any two year period in our country's history.
Speaker 5: And you wonder why there's a housing crisis.
Speaker 4: And we need to have a managed migration program, but
Speaker 4: one that works for our country and one that serves
Speaker 4: our best interests. And I'm just not going to tolerate
Speaker 4: a situation where young Australians are locked out of housing
Speaker 4: and the Prime Minister will bring in about depending on
Speaker 4: whether you believe the figures, but I think it's going
Speaker 4: to nudge over two million, bring in two million people
Speaker 4: over five years, which is a population bigger than the
Speaker 4: size of Adelaide. And they've pulled money out of infrastructure,
Speaker 4: so it's not just housing, it's other infrastructure, medical hospitals,
Speaker 4: it's schooling.
Speaker 5: It's the fact that people are sitting in gridlock.
Speaker 4: Now on their way to work and on their way
Speaker 4: home in the afternoon. One of the I think the
Speaker 4: most egregious things. And I don't think the Prime Minister
Speaker 4: has been called out for this, but it was never
Speaker 4: mentioned before the last election, this big Australia policy that
Speaker 4: the government's now delivered.
Speaker 1: All right, got another question here, Stephen, your question for
Speaker 1: penning Uton tonight.
Speaker 7: Thanks thanks very much for being here tonight. My question is,
Speaker 7: as this nation heads towards a trillion dollars in debt,
Speaker 7: how will you and your party show some physical responsibility
Speaker 7: and restraint but at the same time provide direct support
Speaker 7: to families who are really struggling and need hope.
Speaker 4: And bring down everything by way of expense at the
Speaker 4: same time. It's like it's a difficult I think your
Speaker 4: point is that we have to undertake services and we
Speaker 4: need to defend ourselves as a country. We need to
Speaker 4: provide support to the essential services. But what's happened over
Speaker 4: the course of the last three years is that the
Speaker 4: government spent an extra four hundred and twenty five billion dollars,
Speaker 4: which is what's fueled inflation and the cost of everything
Speaker 4: the schooner of beer, the meal that you go out
Speaker 4: to purchase, the rest of thirty percent higher groceries. That
Speaker 4: inflationary impact has been felled across the economy. So we
Speaker 4: need to get the basics right. The economy needs to
Speaker 4: be better managed. And I just make this point. When
Speaker 4: John Howard came in in ninety six, he had an
Speaker 4: enormous debt that labor had bequeathed to the Income and
Speaker 4: Coalition government they paid that debt down and they ran.
Speaker 5: Our economy successfully.
Speaker 4: When Tony Abbott came in off the back of the
Speaker 4: rud Gillard years, we put in place measures which helped
Speaker 4: us get back to a balanced budget position. And this
Speaker 4: government has racked up now as you point out the
Speaker 4: trillion dollars of debt over the next twelve months, and
Speaker 4: it goes to one point two trillion dollars, and that
Speaker 4: is about one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars per household.
Speaker 5: So it's our.
Speaker 4: Next generation who's going to be saddled with paying that
Speaker 4: debt off. So as a liberal, I pride myself on
Speaker 4: the fact that many of us have come from a
Speaker 4: business background. Many of us have employed staff, We've made
Speaker 4: investment decisions, and we know how to manage the economy.
Speaker 4: I was assistant treasure in the Howard years and I've
Speaker 4: been part of expenditure review committees for a number of
Speaker 4: years as well, so I know how to put a
Speaker 4: budget together. And Angus Taylor and Jane Hume and the
Speaker 4: rest of our team have that experience. We can provide
Speaker 4: a good budget outcome if we cut the waste and
Speaker 4: if we make sure that money is being spent efficiently,
Speaker 4: and that gives us the ability to invest into defense,
Speaker 4: which we need to, and to provide support to families
Speaker 4: to recover from what's been a pretty horrible three years.
Speaker 5: For many families.
Speaker 1: You talk about the next generation, and I can't help
Speaker 1: them say, this is the moment to say it. You've
Speaker 1: given lots of big speeches, they're lots of big interviews live.
Speaker 1: Your kids are in the front row tonight, though, and
Speaker 1: you talk about that next generation. It get slightly nervy
Speaker 1: when they're watching you this close.
Speaker 4: They're actually just out of shop. But now I am
Speaker 4: nervous because I can see this, I see them sitting there.
Speaker 4: So I was looking at this young man here before
Speaker 4: and thinking he's the one that's going to be.
Speaker 5: Startled with Labour's debt. And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 4: When I mean part one of the reason that I
Speaker 4: was attracted into politics was as a kid growing up,
Speaker 4: the conversation around our dinner table was probably not disimilar
Speaker 4: to many families now, where the question is how do
Speaker 4: you pay the bills? And you work harder and harder,
Speaker 4: but you're going backwards, or for many families now, they're
Speaker 4: just not keeping their head above water, and I want
Speaker 4: to make sure that we manage the economy well, which
Speaker 4: coalition governments do, and that will allow us to make
Speaker 4: better choices and allow the next generation to make choices
Speaker 4: for themselves.
Speaker 1: Good answer. I just wanted to get guys on the telling.
Speaker 1: Take it as sums up for dad.
Speaker 5: There we are, we're in the front row.
Speaker 1: I hope we're going to keep running soon. Run all right?
Speaker 1: Thank you? You a free tender here you goo guys.
Speaker 1: All right, Sue, is that the next person to ask? Pet?
Speaker 1: It up in a question here? As we're live doing
Speaker 1: a pub test from a pub here in Brisbane, what's
Speaker 1: your question for the man who may be PM?
Speaker 8: Thank you Peter for doing what you're doing. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 8: My question is what is your position on the Paris
Speaker 8: Agreement in regard to net zero missions by twenty fifty.
Speaker 5: Well, so we've it.
Speaker 4: It's a good question and it's on the minds of
Speaker 4: many Australians. I think what we need to do and
Speaker 4: what we've announced it will do in relation to the
Speaker 4: energy policy, is that we need to have cheaper electricity.
Speaker 4: First point, we're paying three times the cost of electricity
Speaker 4: compared to Wyoming or Tennessee or Ontario to other comparable
Speaker 4: cities and nations around the world. So the first thing
Speaker 4: is price, and at the moment there's no regard for price.
Speaker 4: It just seems that people are expected to pay more
Speaker 4: and more. And under this government, electricity has gone up
Speaker 4: by about thirty two percent and gas has gone up
Speaker 4: by thirty four percent. We need to make sure that
Speaker 4: power is reliable. And the Independent Energy Regulator at the
Speaker 4: moment is warning that there will be blackouts and brownouts
Speaker 4: under the government's renewables only policy. And we've got trading relationships,
Speaker 4: and we've got a position in the world where we've
Speaker 4: signed up to an agreement where we commit to reducing
Speaker 4: emissions into the future as well. And we've got to
Speaker 4: get the balance right. We've got renewables that are in
Speaker 4: the system. We can't pretend that renewables are running this
Speaker 4: pub now of a nighttime, or running the hospital, or
Speaker 4: running the cold rooms at Coals or Wallers or the
Speaker 4: Ida store. So we've got to get the balance right.
Speaker 4: Now we say that we need more gas in the system.
Speaker 4: Chris Bowen won't mention the word gas because it's a
Speaker 4: fossil fuel. The Labor Party in Victoria is signing up
Speaker 4: to extend the life at coal fire power stations because
Speaker 4: they know the lights are going out without it. And
Speaker 4: we've said with the East Coast Gas Reserve we can
Speaker 4: bring in about an extra fifty to one hundred pedadules.
Speaker 4: It'll reduce the price from fourteen dollars a giga duel
Speaker 4: down to ten dollars and that will have a very
Speaker 4: significant impact for businesses. And don't forget that gas is
Speaker 4: a big component in the generation of electricity, so it
Speaker 4: will help not just the commercial and industrial application, but
Speaker 4: households as well, and we'll release more detail in relation
Speaker 4: to that. So we've got to get the balance right
Speaker 4: and I think the views of Australian's my sense is
Speaker 4: that this debate is evolving and I think it'll be
Speaker 4: a very different debate in the coming years as well,
Speaker 4: because people are looking at their power bills each month.
Speaker 4: The Prime Minister promise they'd go down by two hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy five dollars and they've gone up by thirteen
Speaker 4: hundred dollars and Australians are now being told, well, you
Speaker 4: just have to factor in blackouts and brownouts, and I
Speaker 4: just don't think that's acceptable to our country.
Speaker 1: Also, I mean, inevitably if we'd end up in this
Speaker 1: minority government scenario. We know this legislated cuts forty three
Speaker 1: percent to one percent of the world's problems. However, many
Speaker 1: of the Teals community independence sorry, they have said that
Speaker 1: they want seventy five percent. The Greens suggest seventy five
Speaker 1: percent and above much sooner than those things. How important
Speaker 1: is it to you that, again, there are going to
Speaker 1: be lots of people that are going to say I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go team Red team Blue. But the
Speaker 1: people who are thinking outside of those two things, that
Speaker 1: your preferences matter because there are consequences to it.
Speaker 4: With things like that, preferences will matter at this election
Speaker 4: more than any recent election. Let's be clear about it,
Speaker 4: the rise of independence.
Speaker 5: Even in our own electorate.
Speaker 4: Here we've got somebody who is a Green pretending to
Speaker 4: be a community representative, funded by a billionaire out of
Speaker 4: Sydney and not being honest with the electorate about where
Speaker 4: the money is coming from.
Speaker 5: But the reality is that the Teals, let's say.
Speaker 4: Minik Ryan in Victoria, or Zoey Daniel in Victoria or
Speaker 4: Kate Cheney in Western Australia. These people have voted with
Speaker 4: the Greens on seventy plus percent of the occasions where
Speaker 4: they had to vote in the Parliament. And it's this
Speaker 4: complete and utter sort of fraud in terms of they
Speaker 4: on the one hand say that they're all about integrity
Speaker 4: and honesty and openness, but the reality is that they
Speaker 4: would only support a Labor government. And that much should
Speaker 4: be clear to voters when people turn up, because if
Speaker 4: you're voting for a teal or if you're voting for
Speaker 4: a community independent, that vote ultimately is going to end
Speaker 4: up with either the Liberal Party or the Labor Party
Speaker 4: in most circumstances, and in that circumstance you have to
Speaker 4: put Labor last if you're not putting the Liberal Party first.
Speaker 4: And I think the reality for a lot of people
Speaker 4: is it, let's you know, we don't like either party.
Speaker 4: Let's just vote for somebody who seems innocuous, somebody who
Speaker 4: says that they're a disaffected Liberal in the case of
Speaker 4: some of the tills. But the reality is that their
Speaker 4: agenda is a really hardcore green left agenda and the
Speaker 4: Prime Minister can only form a government after the next
Speaker 4: election in concert, in collaboration, in partnership with Adam Bant
Speaker 4: from the Greens and with the Green Teals, and that
Speaker 4: to me is going to be a recipe for higher
Speaker 4: spending which will mean higher inflation, which will mean higher
Speaker 4: interest rates again and a lot of debt that we
Speaker 4: just can't afford as a country.
Speaker 1: And just to that extension, right, I was noticing today
Speaker 1: in one of the press conferences the old question comes
Speaker 1: up about Prime Minister are you Green's references? Well, of
Speaker 1: course the National executive of the Labour Party are the
Speaker 1: ones who decide that. And guess who happens to have
Speaker 1: the casting vote on the national executive. But he was
Speaker 1: trying to make it seem like it's other people somewhere
Speaker 1: else that make a decision. Where does the LMP, the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party, the National Party, all the versions of what
Speaker 1: it will take to build your coalition. Where are the
Speaker 1: Greens going?
Speaker 4: Well, let's have a think about the Greens and should
Speaker 4: we as a party support the Greens or preference the Greens. Well,
Speaker 4: the Greens believe in defunding the Australian Defense Force, they
Speaker 4: believe in the criminalization.
Speaker 5: Of hardcore drugs.
Speaker 4: They have a radical agenda otherwise, which is about everything,
Speaker 4: but the environment. So no, they will go last for us.
Speaker 4: And that's the principal stance that we've taken.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: Now, now the Labor Party can't survive without the Greens preferences.
Speaker 4: And that's why the Prime Minister, who has used his
Speaker 4: casting vote on the Federal Executive to appoint candidates in
Speaker 4: multiple seats, overriding the wishes of local Labor Party branch members.
Speaker 4: He's exerted that power, exercise that power in that circumstance.
Speaker 4: And so this whole I don't know anything about the preferences.
Speaker 4: That's for somebody else to do. The Prime Minister, as
Speaker 4: each of his predecessors has done, will take the preferences,
Speaker 4: will give the Greens preferences ahead of us. And I
Speaker 4: think Australian see that it's a giant conjob because the
Speaker 4: Greens and the Labor Party are joined at the hip
Speaker 4: and left of the Labor Party now run by Tanya
Speaker 4: Plebisek and others, Chris Bowen and others.
Speaker 5: I mean, you see the results already.
Speaker 4: And Tanya Plimasek has tried to close down the salmon
Speaker 4: industry in Tasmania, tried to stop gas exploration in Western Australia,
Speaker 4: has tried to stop the agricultural industry in Western Australia,
Speaker 4: all because she's trying to please a Green voter in
Speaker 4: inner city Sydney and Melbourne. Why has the government taken
Speaker 4: an anti Semitic stance and abandoned the Jewish community in
Speaker 4: the last period, over this last couple of years. Well,
Speaker 4: because they're worried about greens inner city Sydney, in Melbourne.
Speaker 4: And I think it's been one of the most shameful
Speaker 4: demonstrations by the Labor Party in relation to each of
Speaker 4: those issues, the environment, the anti Semitism and a number
Speaker 4: of other issues. And I think the Prime Minister has
Speaker 4: been caught out in that regard.
Speaker 1: All right, Mark's got another question for you, So I
Speaker 1: clean it up in here.
Speaker 5: Mark's here, everyone's working at home. What's it question?
Speaker 1: City? Topeat it on?
Speaker 9: Hey, Peta, thanks for being here. You're actually answered by
Speaker 9: question pretty much earlier before. In housing, but I just
Speaker 9: wanted to extend that a little bit. Six hundred thousand houses,
Speaker 9: but where do we get the guys to build them?
Speaker 9: It's a real issue in this country. Everyone wants to
Speaker 9: go to university and not do a trade or something
Speaker 9: like that.
Speaker 5: We really need to bump that up. It's a great question,
Speaker 5: mat So a few things.
Speaker 4: One is that we've announced support for apprentices and for
Speaker 4: trainee ships, providing twelve thousand dollars worth of support to
Speaker 4: make sure that that young apprentice can have a choice
Speaker 4: and provide support to the employer. We want to bring
Speaker 4: that number up to four hundred thousand and give young
Speaker 4: people the choice. People want to go to university, that's fine,
Speaker 4: but going to do a trade I think is something
Speaker 4: to be encouraged by parents. Harry will be embarrassed to
Speaker 4: hear me call him out, but Harry's just gone into
Speaker 4: his second year of apprenticeship as a carpenter. He's got
Speaker 4: a boost in his pay, which means you can start
Speaker 4: to pay some board.
Speaker 5: At home as well.
Speaker 4: Well I'm not holding my breath for that, but I'll see.
Speaker 5: And he loves it, and he enjoys the work.
Speaker 4: Environment enjoys, you know, as my dad did as a builder,
Speaker 4: that trade and that work, and I'm incredibly proud of him.
Speaker 4: And so I think we need to encourage more kids,
Speaker 4: as you point out, to embrace the opportunit unity and
Speaker 4: to make some good money as a paid or as
Speaker 4: an electrician or as a plan or whatever it might be.
Speaker 5: And secondly, we need to.
Speaker 4: Make sure that the skills list, which is trying to
Speaker 4: prioritize what we want in terms of skills for people
Speaker 4: coming in through the migration program, to put at the
Speaker 4: top of the list trades of people who can go
Speaker 4: into the building industry, because we've also got an aging
Speaker 4: workforce with builders who are retiring and it's tough work.
Speaker 4: And one of the most amazing things was that the
Speaker 4: CFM you dictated to this government that the trades should
Speaker 4: be pulled off that list. And so we had yoga
Speaker 4: teachers and many other professions who were above and were
Speaker 4: prioritized on the list over and above bringing people in
Speaker 4: through the trades because of the CFMU was trying to
Speaker 4: choke off that supply of worker and it just didn't
Speaker 4: make any sense. The next thing we'll do, of course,
Speaker 4: is make sure that we restore the rule of restore
Speaker 4: the rule of law to building sites. We're not going
Speaker 4: to allow the CFMU you to run right and to
Speaker 4: drive up cost and construction in the.
Speaker 1: Company's up keep you around of the poor skying. We're
Speaker 1: off to a break more with Prenter Dunt in a
Speaker 1: moment here live in Brisbane, thanks for watching spine News
Speaker 1: and a Paul married part test for a second welcome
Speaker 1: back to Brisbane were a pup test. We're here in
Speaker 1: credit Dunton forts the leader of the opposition and we
Speaker 1: are here too. Well here from me. You want to
Speaker 1: hear from people like your good self who are viewers
Speaker 1: of the program with questions to the alternative Prime Minister.
Speaker 1: I think we've got a letter here, isn't it? Here
Speaker 1: we go, Hi, what's your question?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 10: Paul?
Speaker 8: Hi, Future Prime Minister. A question for you tonight is
Speaker 8: what would you do to immediately ramp up our domestic
Speaker 8: offense defense against our country for potential invaders given the
Speaker 8: rise of the international unrest instability at the moment.
Speaker 4: Well, I think this is going to to be one
Speaker 4: of the real issues that people focus on coming into
Speaker 4: the election. And the reason I say that is that
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister of the
Speaker 4: Defense Minister I've been going around for the last few
Speaker 4: years saying that we live in the most precarious period
Speaker 4: since the end of the Second World War. So I mean,
Speaker 4: just think about that and unpack it for a second,
Speaker 4: because they don't say anything beyond that.
Speaker 5: So since nineteen forty five, all.
Speaker 4: Of the conflicts in the Middle East, the Cold War,
Speaker 4: everything that's taken place, the instability, the terrorist attacks on
Speaker 4: nine to eleven, this is the most precarious period now.
Speaker 5: And if that's the case, what are we doing about it?
Speaker 4: Well, the government's taken eighty billion dollars out of defense,
Speaker 4: and our argument is that you need to put money
Speaker 4: into defense to make sure you can pay for ORCUS,
Speaker 4: not just the submarines, but Pillar two of UCUS as well,
Speaker 4: and you need to provide support.
Speaker 5: To defense in their acquisitions.
Speaker 4: And we've announced a further squadron of the F thirty five's,
Speaker 4: which I think will be of significant benefit to our country.
Speaker 5: And so no country, no country of our.
Speaker 4: Standing in the history of the world, has ever been
Speaker 4: in a position of strength through having a weak defense force.
Speaker 4: Any adversary looking at us over the course of the
Speaker 4: next century, we'll look at the capabilities that we've got,
Speaker 4: which is exactly the reason why we negotiated so hard
Speaker 4: with the United States and the United Kingdom when I
Speaker 4: was Defense Minister to negotiate the Orcret submarine deal. The
Speaker 4: ORCST submarines, particularly for an island nation like us will
Speaker 4: underpin our security for the next century, but we need
Speaker 4: to invest in more than that, and that's exactly what
Speaker 4: we advocate going into this election. There's a big difference
Speaker 4: on national security in an uncertain time and the most
Speaker 4: precarious periods into Second World War where the Prime Minister
Speaker 4: makes that statement and then does nothing about it.
Speaker 5: And our argument is that you.
Speaker 4: Need to make proper investments into defense, and that's what
Speaker 4: we're committed to doing.
Speaker 1: Are there things that we should have progressed by now
Speaker 1: in our defense system that better pick up these Chinese warships,
Speaker 1: these Chinese surveillance ships. Obviously not going to show your
Speaker 1: hand about what you know, but have we dropped the
Speaker 1: ball in three years about the capacity to see what
Speaker 1: they're doing, to be able to know that a ship
Speaker 1: like the one flowing through the south right now may
Speaker 1: well have the capability of having a craft on it
Speaker 1: that could cut a cable that cuts us off from
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 4: I just think it's amazing when we need to rely
Speaker 4: on a virgin pilot to tell the Prime Minister that
Speaker 4: there's a problem off our coast and the Prime Minister
Speaker 4: shruggs your shoulders and just says, oh, well, you know
Speaker 4: the Australian Navy, does you know circum navigate to different
Speaker 4: different ports and seas and sea lanes, et cetera. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's no equivalence with the Australian Navy, and I think.
Speaker 5: We need to be very clear about it.
Speaker 4: When you're starting to track where pipelines and cables are positioned,
Speaker 4: and when you're surveiling in the way that has taken place,
Speaker 4: the penny should be dropping for Australians that we need
Speaker 4: to make sure that we can protect and defend ourselves.
Speaker 4: And you do need the capabilities, the underwater capabilities, the
Speaker 4: autonomous vehicles. There's a lot of money when we're in
Speaker 4: government that we put into autonomous underwater capability so that
Speaker 4: you can project your capacity and your capability further than
Speaker 4: the surface fleet. So talking in sort of normal language,
Speaker 4: where you've got ships or if you've got underwater capacity
Speaker 4: with the submarines, that you can send underwater drones further out.
Speaker 4: They might have explosive capability, they might have surveillance capability.
Speaker 5: That these are all assets that are required.
Speaker 4: People talk a lot about drone capability, which is important,
Speaker 4: but we don't We're not a landlocked country, so there's
Speaker 4: a type of drone which will be a benefit to us,
Speaker 4: and others don't have the distance or capability that that
Speaker 4: would be of benefit to us as a continent. But
Speaker 4: the Guided Weapons Enterprise that we established when we were
Speaker 4: in government, this government essentially put it on pause, and
Speaker 4: yet we should be acquiring that capability because any adversaria
Speaker 4: that's looking at us should be saying, you know what,
Speaker 4: not today we're not thinking about Australia.
Speaker 5: We're worried about Australia.
Speaker 4: And the retaliation that could come, and that's what will
Speaker 4: that's what will maintain peace. We will only maintain piece,
Speaker 4: as you know, many people have said through the course
Speaker 4: of history, through a position of strength, not weakness, and
Speaker 4: that's exactly the approach that we were taking government.
Speaker 1: Now you mentioned the Virgin pilots before it was my
Speaker 1: colleague Queen Cherry Markson, who of course had the story
Speaker 1: today about this new boat. Was an announcement from the
Speaker 1: Defense Minister, the Prime Minister or anyone else. It came
Speaker 1: through her great reporting. More details up at Skytews dot
Speaker 1: com dot a, which of course should be all of
Speaker 1: your homepages. Please all right, Wayne's got a question for
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton here in Brisbane.
Speaker 11: What is it mate, Abel Peter nice of the opportunity
Speaker 11: to talk pleasure? What do you think a little bit
Speaker 11: of already said on immigration?
Speaker 9: Peter?
Speaker 11: But what would be you are planned to deal with immigration?
Speaker 11: Now that last week and Andrew Bolt, one of his contributors,
Speaker 11: mentioned that there'll be one point eight million more immigrants
Speaker 11: coming to Australia over the next four years with this
Speaker 11: government apparently, And how are we going to deal with
Speaker 11: that sort of thing, with the quality of the people
Speaker 11: that come in here, as you've seen in the Sydney
Speaker 11: Opera House and that.
Speaker 9: Sort of thing.
Speaker 4: Well, I know, the government, as I said before, talks
Speaker 4: about a figure of one point eight million, but each
Speaker 4: of the predictions they've made so far have blown out
Speaker 4: by hundreds of thousands, and so that is likely to
Speaker 4: go over two million people. And that's the reality. As
Speaker 4: I say, If the Prime Minister had told the Australian
Speaker 4: public before the election that this was the plan, well
Speaker 4: people could have voted accordingly or supported them or voted
Speaker 4: against them. But it wasn't detailed. So we have to
Speaker 4: have a properly managed migration program. We have said in
Speaker 4: terms of the permanent migration program, which is running at
Speaker 4: about one hundred and eighty five thousand a year now,
Speaker 4: that we will reduce that to one hundred and forty thousand,
Speaker 4: so by twenty five percent in years one and two,
Speaker 4: and then that will allow housing to catch up and
Speaker 4: we can gradually build it back up according to the
Speaker 4: needs of our country at the time. We need to
Speaker 4: encourage people to move out into regional areas. For instance,
Speaker 4: in the Northern Territory, they're yelling out for people to
Speaker 4: move to the territory, to Darwin, to Alice Springs and
Speaker 4: to be a part of the economy there. But in
Speaker 4: many parts of the country, people as I say, living
Speaker 4: in cities and in suburbs where there's just no capacity
Speaker 4: to expand the road network the public transports that capacity,
Speaker 4: and we just haven't had the planning take place. And
Speaker 4: so I do think you need to have a manage
Speaker 4: migration program and that's again exactly what we've worked up
Speaker 4: and our plan, I think is more effective. It's going
Speaker 4: to serve the purpose of our country well. And Australia's
Speaker 4: got some you know, I mean, some of the young
Speaker 4: people you meet and some of the Australian success stories
Speaker 4: of migration to this country.
Speaker 5: We live in the best country in the world and.
Speaker 4: There are millions and millions of people who want to
Speaker 4: come here. There are millions of people who want to
Speaker 4: come here, and we shouldn't be ashamed to say that
Speaker 4: we want the best of those people to come here.
Speaker 4: And if you do the wrong thing when you are here, well,
Speaker 4: at least under our government, whilst this government's not doing it,
Speaker 4: but you can expect to have your visa canceled if
Speaker 4: you're not doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: I don't want to bore everyone with how the sausage
Speaker 1: is made, but obviously we've got all of the people
Speaker 1: in here, and then there's all of the media that's
Speaker 1: traveling with you outside. When that question came up, I
Speaker 1: noticed a few of them picked up their pens, waiting
Speaker 1: to see, well, is there a secret dog whistle? I mean,
Speaker 1: the reality is that you have talked for a lot
Speaker 1: long time about the privilege of Australian citizenship, and therefore
Speaker 1: you know, if you thrive in this country, we're happy
Speaker 1: to have you. If you do the wrong thing, then
Speaker 1: see you later. But also, I mean, we've seen and
Speaker 1: I was noticing again, the people that are observing what
Speaker 1: you're doing about some of the places you've been in
Speaker 1: this campaign, and you've been into deep multicultural communities. It's
Speaker 1: part of the path about how you might get yourself
Speaker 1: close to government. That is the Australian immigration story that
Speaker 1: really from where you come doesn't matter. Who you are
Speaker 1: and how you adapt and want to grow the joint that's.
Speaker 5: What matters, right absolutely. I mean, if you I'll explain
Speaker 5: it this way. I think we.
Speaker 4: Should be proud of our Indigenous heritage and I think
Speaker 4: it's a good thing that we have the language and
Speaker 4: a celebration of Indigenous heritage.
Speaker 5: But it's one part of our story.
Speaker 4: And when we live in our country, we've got an
Speaker 4: expectation at the moment under this government that people identify
Speaker 4: under different flags or different tribes believe that we are
Speaker 4: the best country when we come together as one. Whether
Speaker 4: you came here you can trace your family tree back
Speaker 4: thousands of years, or whether you can trace your family
Speaker 4: tree back thousands of years or or thousands of minutes,
Speaker 4: we are equal Australians.
Speaker 5: And I think we need to unite as such.
Speaker 4: And as part of that, I want us to celebrate
Speaker 4: more the great migration story, people who have come here
Speaker 4: from Europe, people who have come here from Asia, people
Speaker 4: who have come here from all parts of the world,
Speaker 4: the great migration movement to our country post World War Two,
Speaker 4: where people came here with nothing and they've worked hard
Speaker 4: as Italians or Greeks or Chinese, Indians, whoever it might be.
Speaker 4: We don't talk anything about it in this country, and
Speaker 4: we should be talking about it because second third generation
Speaker 4: down people are massed of fortune, or their doctors or
Speaker 4: their kids are bilders, and it's a huge part of
Speaker 4: our story. You never hear a word of it from
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister, and I think we should celebrate that,
Speaker 4: but at the same time say that we're not going
Speaker 4: to divide people on the basis of race. And this
Speaker 4: was the point about the referendum on the voice. You
Speaker 4: come to Australia, and that's exactly what ninety nine percent
Speaker 4: of people do. You come to our country. You've come
Speaker 4: here with an opportunity presented to you. And for many people,
Speaker 4: particularly those who have come out of a war torn region,
Speaker 4: they come here, they are incredibly passionate about our country
Speaker 4: because they realize the opportunity that's before them and that's
Speaker 4: been the history of our country in many circumstances as well.
Speaker 4: And again I think we should spend more time on
Speaker 4: restoring our national pride and making sure that our kids
Speaker 4: at school are being taught the basics, not being indoctrinated
Speaker 4: at the school.
Speaker 1: And again, all of those people that have learned new languages,
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at a mat of mind who's onto
Speaker 1: a third language now in English, and a beautiful numb
Speaker 1: as well, have become wonderful parts of our community. All right, Ashley,
Speaker 1: your question for peddat thanking you, mister Murray and mister
Speaker 1: Dutton and all. How close to the buying are you
Speaker 1: prepared to cut the wasteful spending by politicians and bureaucrats.
Speaker 4: Well, actually, I think at the moment, if a family
Speaker 4: or a small business is expected to really cut back,
Speaker 4: and they've got no choice in many circumstances, but to
Speaker 4: cut back, cut back on discretionary spending, cut back on
Speaker 4: a holiday, cut back on whatever they might have been
Speaker 4: thinking about buying as just a bit of an added.
Speaker 5: Extra for their kids for Christmas.
Speaker 4: If families are being put in that position by this
Speaker 4: government through bad economic decisions over the last few years,
Speaker 4: and as I said before, we've lived through seven quarters
Speaker 4: of negative growth in family households, so a household session
Speaker 4: the longest in our country's history. And if that's the circumstance,
Speaker 4: then why wouldn't government be expected to live within its
Speaker 4: means and to make sure that the government spent money wisely.
Speaker 4: Government only has money that they take from taxpayers, and
Speaker 4: people at the moment are working over time, people are
Speaker 4: working harder, people are saving as much as they can,
Speaker 4: or they're just barely keeping their heads above water with
Speaker 4: their family budgets. And so my argument is that we
Speaker 4: have a special responsibility, and that is that we should
Speaker 4: be cutting back on waste, and we shouldn't accept that
Speaker 4: where waste arises, they just turned a blind eye to it.
Speaker 4: But we've pointed out numerous examples over the course of
Speaker 4: last three years where the government has wasted money and
Speaker 4: you will have read some of that in the papers,
Speaker 4: but no regard for it. They don't do anything about it,
Speaker 4: and don't do you know, don't make the decisions that
Speaker 4: are necessary so that you can take the waste and
Speaker 4: you can either pay down debt, we can provide support
Speaker 4: to families and get the economy going again, we've got
Speaker 4: to get we have to get confidence back and we
Speaker 4: need to make sure that we can make the economic
Speaker 4: decisions to grow our economy again so that people can
Speaker 4: be helped up and supported.
Speaker 1: What does it say about how far off track we are?
Speaker 1: And again majority of people according to the public polling,
Speaker 1: so we're in the wrong track, right track even on
Speaker 1: the turbul times the Guardian of course, which is where
Speaker 1: that pole appears, that's the majority position. But what does
Speaker 1: it say that there is now a full time job
Speaker 1: in Senator juicingto Nampa jimper Price to be able to
Speaker 1: confront this stuff, that there's so much of this that
Speaker 1: it is eight hours a day, five days a week,
Speaker 1: and then some trying to keep up with it.
Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of it just becomes layer
Speaker 4: upon layer and it becomes built in and the bureaucracy
Speaker 4: is a big beast in Camera and it's continued to
Speaker 4: grow the Prime Minister's employed public servants in Canberra at
Speaker 4: about three times the rate that even the regular government did.
Speaker 4: And that's all to please the Public Service Union that
Speaker 4: no one across the country can tell me that their
Speaker 4: services have improved.
Speaker 5: Coming out of Canberra. That's just not the case.
Speaker 4: So again, I want to make sure that we can
Speaker 4: provide support to frontline services to get more GPS out
Speaker 4: into suburbs like bray Park or Launton.
Speaker 5: Here am I Electric.
Speaker 4: I want to make sure that we can pay down
Speaker 4: debts so that we can deal with the next rainy
Speaker 4: day that's coming. I want to make sure that we
Speaker 4: can continue to provide support to families through the twenty
Speaker 4: five cent a liter cut to fuel and diesel.
Speaker 5: That's how we can help people.
Speaker 1: Look stuff, Thank you very much.
Speaker 10: All.
Speaker 1: We've got another question here. This one is from John
Speaker 1: John Giddy good Eating.
Speaker 12: My question is would you see the complete reform of
Speaker 12: the tax system as a necessary component to restoring economy
Speaker 12: to a healthy state.
Speaker 4: Well, John, look, I do think there's a lot of
Speaker 4: a lot of duplication. Give you one example, Northwest Shelf extension,
Speaker 4: which is a big debate in Western Australia at the moment.
Speaker 4: The government's put off the decision on that to the
Speaker 4: thirty first of May, just conveniently just after the election.
Speaker 4: So what does that look like. Well, it's one of
Speaker 4: the biggest projects in our country's history and it will
Speaker 4: be a huge windfall for the economy. The royalties and
Speaker 4: the taxes that will be paid will fund hospitals and
Speaker 4: roads and infrastructure. It's been in a six year process
Speaker 4: in the wa state government, so it's taken six years
Speaker 4: to get an approval, and now it's then referred to
Speaker 4: the federal department where it needs to go through approval
Speaker 4: processes presumably for a similar period of time. We've said
Speaker 4: that we would approve it when we come into government
Speaker 4: within the first one hundred days, because the environmental assessments
Speaker 4: have already been done. I just give that by way
Speaker 4: of one example of the duplication between three levels of
Speaker 4: government the way in which the Federation operates at the moment.
Speaker 4: We need to reduce that duplication so that we can
Speaker 4: reduce cost. If a company is holding an asset, say
Speaker 4: a block of land that they want to develop into
Speaker 4: new house blocks, and they're forced to hold it for
Speaker 4: another six or eight years, the cost of holding that
Speaker 4: ultimately is not borne by the developer. It's passed on
Speaker 4: to the young couple wanting to buy the house and
Speaker 4: land package. And we can't just say that that's acceptable.
Speaker 4: We need to make sure that our tax system is
Speaker 4: fit for purpose, that we're getting the most efficiency out
Speaker 4: of it. And as I say, people are working harder
Speaker 4: than ever for their tax dollars and we should be
Speaker 4: making sure that the tax system is working for us
Speaker 4: and not against us.
Speaker 5: And that's the approach that we would take good stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, Brad, You've got a question for Peter Dutton
Speaker 1: tonight here in Brisbane, Yes.
Speaker 13: Or do Paul Paul good to see it? Peter, you
Speaker 13: touched on industrial relations policy and the construction industry more broadly,
Speaker 13: but I just like to drill just a little bit
Speaker 13: just to ask them some questions. The CFMU, they're the
Speaker 13: most fined union in Australian history and leading to the
Speaker 13: last election, a key plank of the alber Easy government
Speaker 13: the policy was to dismantle the Australian Building and Construction
Speaker 13: Commission and they did that from day one. What does
Speaker 13: the coalition propose to do if it gets government to
Speaker 13: bring back law in order to the construction Commission, like
Speaker 13: tendering and so forth.
Speaker 5: Brad, it's a great question.
Speaker 4: And I think if you look at what the Christophully
Speaker 4: government's done already in relation to knocking out a few
Speaker 4: of the CFMAU friendly arrangements that have really boosted the
Speaker 4: cost of construction in Queensland by well over thirty percent,
Speaker 4: and it's the same experience in Victoria and New South
Speaker 4: Wales and elsewhere around the country. So the CFMU donated
Speaker 4: over eleven million dollars to the Labor Party. The Labor
Speaker 4: Party abolished the Cop on the Beat if you liked
Speaker 4: the Australian Building Construction Commission when they first got into government.
Speaker 4: That was their commitment. And of course the cfmars run riot.
Speaker 4: They're acting alongside members of biky gangs who were turning
Speaker 4: up and as we saw on the Sixty Minutes episode,
Speaker 4: turning up being paid a fortune in some cases not.
Speaker 5: To turn up, but don't even have to turn up
Speaker 5: to work.
Speaker 4: And again, all of that means that for every hospital
Speaker 4: that we're building at the moment, we could build fifty
Speaker 4: percent of the next hospital for the money that we're
Speaker 4: having to spend because of the CFMAU practices. So we're
Speaker 4: going to restore the Cop on the Beat, the Australian
Speaker 4: Building Construction Commission.
Speaker 5: We're going to.
Speaker 4: I was amazed that when we saw that footage on
Speaker 4: sixty Minutes of that CFMU official kicking literally physically kicking
Speaker 4: a CFMU female official.
Speaker 5: The Prime Minister had nothing to say.
Speaker 4: About it, which I found quite astounding, but it shows
Speaker 4: what they've allowed. It shows the influence that the Labor
Speaker 4: Party is allowed to be exerted.
Speaker 5: Over the whole organized from the CFMU.
Speaker 4: I think it really is a huge distortion in our
Speaker 4: economy because construction cost affects so many parts of our lives.
Speaker 4: So we're going to de register the CFMAU because the
Speaker 4: corrupt culture can't be SIPs and we're going to make
Speaker 4: sure that building sites are safe and productive places. At
Speaker 4: the moment, the CFMAU has the work week down to
Speaker 4: about two point nine days, so that means we're paying
Speaker 4: for two point nine.
Speaker 5: Days with a five day wage.
Speaker 4: And we wonder why to try and buy a two
Speaker 4: bedroom apartment, or to try and buy into an age
Speaker 4: care facility, or to try and buy into a commercial
Speaker 4: development that we're paying some of the highest costs in
Speaker 4: the world. It's not sustainable and we have to make
Speaker 4: sure that we've got a system that operates according to
Speaker 4: the law, and.
Speaker 5: At the moment we don't have that.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to make a captain's call here, which
Speaker 1: is one more round of questions after this, we'll keep
Speaker 1: it going. Let's keep going to sky and then we'll
Speaker 1: do plenty more after the break, including one that I'll
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of time to prep for,
Speaker 1: because you've got to pick among about one hundred different things.
Speaker 1: All right, go for it.
Speaker 10: Scott Hamersterdatin, thank you for putting this time aside to
Speaker 10: come and chat with us this evening. I think you've
Speaker 10: touched on this briefly earlier. But my question is really
Speaker 10: just what is the coalition's plan to reignite some patriotism
Speaker 10: in the young Australians and to just get them feeling
Speaker 10: proud about being Australian and have pride in their country again.
Speaker 4: But I really do think it's a fantastic question, so
Speaker 4: thank you, and I really hold it near and dear
Speaker 4: to my heart to make sure that we can prioritize
Speaker 4: restoring pride in our country again. And I think, as
Speaker 4: I mentioned before, there are and you've seen, I mean,
Speaker 4: some of the teachers who have been part of the
Speaker 4: protests on university campuses or on the streets of Sydney
Speaker 4: or Melbourne or Brisbane over the course of the last
Speaker 4: couple of years. The indoctrination that's taken place in some
Speaker 4: parts of our education system, on university campuses, I don't
Speaker 4: think has been conducive to what's in our country's best interests.
Speaker 5: And we should restore pride. We should be.
Speaker 4: Proud of who we are. We are the best country
Speaker 4: in the world without exception. And if we don't stand
Speaker 4: up and defend if we don't stand up and defend that,
Speaker 4: then you know, more fool us. And it should be
Speaker 4: noted that And I detected a slight accent, but do
Speaker 4: you know when I go to a multicultural gathering, the
Speaker 4: people who are most passionate about keeping us safe as
Speaker 4: a community and addressing crime and law and order and
Speaker 4: worried about what threats might come to our country in
Speaker 4: the future, many of those are recently arrived Fagrance because
Speaker 4: they've come from a country where there's been violence, and
Speaker 4: they know what we have in our country.
Speaker 5: And I'm going to.
Speaker 4: Say this point as well, because I think again it's
Speaker 4: an important point that crime and the ability for people
Speaker 4: to feel safe in their own homes and communities, I
Speaker 4: think is a bigger issue, and I think it's a
Speaker 4: sleeper issue in this election.
Speaker 5: And I promise you, I promise you.
Speaker 4: I promise you that as Prime Minister, it will be
Speaker 4: a priority to make sure that we address knife crime.
Speaker 4: We've said that we're there's no excuse for a twelve
Speaker 4: or thirteen year old to be carrying a long bladed
Speaker 4: weapon or a machete at two o'clock in the morning
Speaker 4: down a moor or in a public place, and we've
Speaker 4: seen young people die.
Speaker 5: As a result of that.
Speaker 4: We've seen the ridiculous bail laws here in Queensland, in
Speaker 4: Victoria as well, and we're going to work with the
Speaker 4: States and we're going to roll out a lot of
Speaker 4: support to try and quash that instance of crime and
Speaker 4: make our community safer again as well as our country safer,
Speaker 4: as I say, in a precarious period. So that is
Speaker 4: a deliberate focus and I know I've been criticized for it,
Speaker 4: but as Immigration Minister and Home Affairs Minister, I had
Speaker 4: a real focus on protecting women and children and I
Speaker 4: deported about six three hundred people.
Speaker 5: Now we were talking about.
Speaker 4: When I looked at some of those cases, some of
Speaker 4: them had offended against three and four and five and
Speaker 4: six different women or young girls sexually offended against all
Speaker 4: pedophiles who had a string of victims. And my assessment
Speaker 4: wasn't I believe that this is the view of millions
Speaker 4: of Australians. That person was here on a visa, not
Speaker 4: a citizen of our country, a guest into our country.
Speaker 4: They signed an undertaking that they would abide by the
Speaker 4: law when they came to our country. They didn't do that,
Speaker 4: and I think it was a perfectly reasonable position to
Speaker 4: take to cancel their visas and to deport them. Now
Speaker 4: and one of the things that this Prime Minister I
Speaker 4: think has failed on has been the first charge of
Speaker 4: a prime minister, and that is to keep our country safe.
Speaker 4: Three hundred people were released from migration detention, one of
Speaker 4: them shot by the police in Melbourne earlier this week.
Speaker 4: And those three hundred people had been involved in serious crimes.
Speaker 4: Many of them have repeated offenses since they've been released
Speaker 4: from immigration detention. Under our government, they were deported under
Speaker 4: this government, they've been released into the community to commit
Speaker 4: more crimes.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: I deported three hundred of the most significant offenders, people
Speaker 4: who were importing drugs, which is part of the reason
Speaker 4: that kids are breaking into homes because they're feeding a
Speaker 4: drug habit.
Speaker 5: The bikes are the biggest.
Speaker 4: Distributors of drugs in our country, and I stopped some
Speaker 4: of those networks and canceled countless feess of Bikis and
Speaker 4: deported them from our country. This government has done nothing
Speaker 4: like it and nowhere near that number. It's not anything
Speaker 4: they talk about. But again I think it's an issue
Speaker 4: that Australians should consider when they voted this election. Who
Speaker 4: do you trust to keep our country safe? Who do
Speaker 4: you trust?
Speaker 5: We'll do.
Speaker 1: About it? All right? Plenty more with Peter Dutt't here
Speaker 1: in a moment we'll go another round of questions and
Speaker 1: a couple.
Speaker 5: More from me.
Speaker 1: Well we're going a little pass on the top of
Speaker 1: the hour with the Lake debot. She's got to get
Speaker 1: a drink more in a second year only.
Speaker 5: Welcome back to who's.
Speaker 1: From the Eden Dealers Hotel And I've got to say
Speaker 1: that the Komeski family who are up the back and
Speaker 1: the owner's box, I want to say thank you to then.
Speaker 1: The Edenhill Hotel is spectacular venue, lots of great stuff
Speaker 1: and a great family who support this this read and
Speaker 1: provide this venue to us. Thank you very much. Give
Speaker 1: them around them of course for all their help. They're
Speaker 1: very good. That family do appreciate it mentioned my name
Speaker 1: paid full price. All right, We here with Peter Dutton,
Speaker 1: of course, the leader of the Opposition, the member for Dixon,
Speaker 1: which is this part of Brisbane, and we've got one
Speaker 1: last question from the audience, So no pressure, Hello Virginia,
Speaker 1: isn't it hello, Dunna.
Speaker 14: Good evening, Paul, and good evening, future Prime Minister. Having
Speaker 14: watched your reply speech budget reply speech, my question is
Speaker 14: probably been preempted, but what will the coalition do to
Speaker 14: to tackle the woke agendas that are being pushed through
Speaker 14: our education systems.
Speaker 4: Well, the cob Wealth government doesn't own or run a school,
Speaker 4: and which is why people ask why I've got a
Speaker 4: department of thousands and thousands of people in Canberra called
Speaker 4: the Education Department if we don't have a school and
Speaker 4: don't employ a teacher. But we do provide funding to
Speaker 4: the state governments and we can condition that funding and
Speaker 4: we should be saying to states, and we should be
Speaker 4: saying to those that are receiving that funding that we
Speaker 4: want our kids to be taught the curriculum and we
Speaker 4: want our kids to be taught what it is that
Speaker 4: needed to take on as they face the challenges of
Speaker 4: the world and not to be guided into some sort
Speaker 4: of an agenda that's come out of universities.
Speaker 5: And I think.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of work to do, but that's the
Speaker 4: way in which the government can try and influence the
Speaker 4: New South Wales government, or the Queensland government, or the Victorian.
Speaker 5: Government, whatever it might be.
Speaker 4: And I think that's again a debate that we need
Speaker 4: to hear more from parents on. I think there is
Speaker 4: a silent majority on this issue right across the community.
Speaker 4: And when the government at the start of this term
Speaker 4: of parliament tried to stop independent schools and religious schools
Speaker 4: from deciding on who they could employ or what they
Speaker 4: were going to teach at their school, I think there
Speaker 4: was an uprising then, not just from the religious leaders
Speaker 4: but from parents as well who pushed back on that.
Speaker 5: And I think that was.
Speaker 4: Something that the government dropped fairly quickly thereafter, because I
Speaker 4: knew they were going down the wrong path.
Speaker 5: But again I think it's a big difference between the
Speaker 5: two parties.
Speaker 1: My final question is my favorite one. I ask at
Speaker 1: every pub test, lots of different candidates, lots of different places,
Speaker 1: state federal politics, what's the biggest lie that the other
Speaker 1: mob was saying about you.
Speaker 5: Where do you start? Where do you start?
Speaker 1: You can shouting them out if you'd like. It's like
Speaker 1: wheel of fortune, you know, Hila.
Speaker 4: I have a great deal of faith in the Australian
Speaker 4: people and I do think that as a country, we
Speaker 4: have so much to achieve together. The Labor Party has
Speaker 4: failed our country over the three years. If they'd achieved,
Speaker 4: if the outcomes had been there for families, if businesses
Speaker 4: were prospering, if our country was at its best, that
Speaker 4: it could be the Prime Minister and Chris Balen and
Speaker 4: Tenure Plebisek and others would be telling you about their achievements.
Speaker 4: They're not able to do that because it has been
Speaker 4: a period that many families will never forget and many
Speaker 4: kids will see their families suffering through very difficult times. Therefore,
Speaker 4: they're throwing as much mud as they can pa. That's
Speaker 4: what they're doing.
Speaker 5: That's their strategy, and some of it sticks. That's the reality.
Speaker 4: Because people are vulnerable, not really tuned into politics, they
Speaker 4: listen to the one liner. I would just ask people
Speaker 4: to do their own research and to look past what
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister's saying or the ads that you see
Speaker 4: on television. So I think the biggest lie to answer
Speaker 4: your question is in relation to health and to what
Speaker 4: we achieved when we're in government. When I was Health Minister,
Speaker 4: the bulk building rate was eighty four percent. By the
Speaker 4: time we'd left government under Greg Hunt, it had climbed
Speaker 4: to eighty eight percent. And the Prime Minister at the
Speaker 4: moment won't tell you this, but the bulk billing rate
Speaker 4: in our country is at seventy seven percent, right, so
Speaker 4: he'll say we were a disaster in relation to health.
Speaker 4: As it turns out bulk billing is down by eleven
Speaker 4: percent under this government. They'll say that we took money
Speaker 4: out of hospital's. Hospital funding increased every year that I
Speaker 4: was the Health Minister, and we only did that because
Speaker 4: we cleaned up labour's mess and we managed the economy well.
Speaker 4: And at this election I think people will see through that,
Speaker 4: and ultimately the election is going to be about who
Speaker 4: do you trust to manage the economy, Who do you
Speaker 4: trust to address cost of living pressures.
Speaker 5: And to bring inflation down? Who do you trust in.
Speaker 4: This election to keep us safe and to keep our
Speaker 4: country secure.
Speaker 5: In a very uncertain time.
Speaker 4: Who do you trust to provide young Austraians with the
Speaker 4: hope of home ownership.
Speaker 5: Again and restoring that dream.
Speaker 4: And I believe that we can win that contest, and
Speaker 4: I think for the future of our country we must.
Speaker 5: So thank you very much, Paul, and thanks for being letter.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Let Peter Dunnon leaver at the opposition like we'll mabe
Speaker 1: here in Dixon. Thank you again for the night A
Speaker 1: seam makes its way around, he says, a game to
Speaker 1: a few people again. I just want to say thank
Speaker 1: you to everyone as part of the Sky News team,
Speaker 1: part of the local pub team as well, and I
Speaker 1: look forward to this promise of course, which is where
Speaker 1: you get the chance to continue going right around the country.
Speaker 1: We're going to Western Australia, Victoria, plenty of places to
Speaker 1: get you to have the opportunity to ask questions of
Speaker 1: all sorts of people. But again one more time for
Speaker 1: the alternative Prime Minister, Peter Dutton.
Speaker 5: That's it from Blucebant.
Speaker 8: Thank you very much the.
Speaker 1: Late debate again. Thanks thanks pre thank thank you for
Speaker 1: again up there you again