WEBVTT - Athletes Authority ON AIR | Ep. 184 "Do Team Sport Athletes Get Any Faster?" 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.880 Welcome back to Athletes Authority on air. We are on 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.840 to episode one hundred and eighty four. We continue to 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.360 tick them off and we've got a couple of people 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.760 in the studio here. We've got Tommy Watkins. Welcome back mate, 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.360 two weeks it is mate. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.640 It's good to get a bit of a regular thing 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:14.920 going in. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.840 Huge, yeah, huge, and you might be able to sense 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:21.239 the nerves through the microphone because Big Alex Burger is 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:21.800 in their house. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.040 He is our residence speed guru. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.000 I don't really like using the word guru all the 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.600 time because an old manager used to say today's guru 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:30.479 is tomorrow's hack. 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:33.120 So he is a very talented man. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.360 But he came on board a few months ago with 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.320 Athletes Authority and really leads out our field program, our 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.960 speed and conditioning side of things, but also fantastic coach 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:42.360 on the floor. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.280 So welcome, thanks you, thank you for having me. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.560 It's obviously good to be in here with some big 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.880 dogs and talk about some cool stuff. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.839 So yeah, yeah, it's exciting to get you on for 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.040 a bit of background so people know who you are, 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:56.360 because everyone knows who Tommy is. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.400 What have you done? Where have you been? 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:01.400 Obviously your key role at the moment is here with 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.800 AA along with the Oli Rus. So give us a 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.640 little bit of a background. I know, if you're into soccer, 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:09.280 you'll love it. If you're not into soccer, you might 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.800 tune out. But Burch hit us up for what the 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:13.280 past sort of decade has been for you. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:17.440 Yeah, so football has always been been my passion. Never 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.200 was good enough as a player, so for me, the 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.640 next best thing was to kind of get involved in 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.080 a strength and conditioning capacity and sort of still be 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:25.880 in and around it. 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:28.040 I spent about. 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.880 Six years in the UK working for various different football 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:35.679 clubs in academy settings, and then sort of when Covid 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.080 hit took a specific interest in speed and sort of 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.080 developing speed for footballers, and then kind of mash that 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.440 all together with my role at AA, and then concurrently 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.040 with working with the Oli Rus when we're in camp, 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.320 which happens kind of within FIFA windows. So yeah, kind 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:52.400 of working those two things. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.720 And for those overseas, Oli Rus are our Olympic representative 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.880 soccer team or typically under twenty ones per se. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.800 Under twenty three three bad twenty threes Nash, Yeah, Yeah, 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.080 under twenty three is men's national teams, So that keeps 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.160 me busy at different times throughout the year. And yeah, 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.680 cool to be able to put that together with what 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:12.560 we do here at AA. 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.400 So one hundred percent and it is. It is obviously 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.520 a speed theme today. Hence I've got burge on Tommy's 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:19.920 not that fast, but we thought it would bring them 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.679 anyway because it's available. But let's kick off with a little 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.639 bit of discussion, which is quite topical at the moment. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.400 We see going back and forth a lot between speed 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.200 coaches versus strength editioning coaches that maybe teach speed in 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.840 team sport. You've worked with both a real pure speed 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:41.080 side of things through Roger Fabri's academy along with team sport. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:41.639 Athletes a lot. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:44.800 What's your take on the fact where we'll see an 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.880 argument to say team sport athletes run differently, therefore they 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.120 should be trained differently, versus they're still going to want 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:54.799 to identify proper shapes, proper technique. We want to hone 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.799 in on that and we know that it will bleed 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:58.760 down to what they need into team sport. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:02:59.680 Where where do you sit with that? 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.400 Because obviously your current role is pretty much training speed 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.440 for if it's not the only ruse which are all 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.280 teams sport athletes. It's our athletes here, which our team 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.519 sport athletes. But also a mixed shure. You we had 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.919 May running Yesterdayho's a boxer. You know she got out 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.520 on track obviously for conditioning. Good to mix it up 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.320 on stuff. But you're still teaching shapes, positions, all these 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.240 type of things. So talk to us a little bit 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.440 around your suppose mentality or your reasoning and principles around 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:26.320 the application of it. 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.440 Yes, So for me, I think the main difference is 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.000 people I'm on neither side of the fence in the 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:36.720 sense that some people argue that field sport athletes don't 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.200 need to be trained like track athletes. They make slightly 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:44.200 different shapes. Their starting position isn't off the blocks, for example, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:49.800 and that you know that the things that apply to 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.280 a track athlete don't necessarily apply directly to a field 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.000 sport athlete. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.120 I think for me, they make similar shapes. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.200 So becoming a more efficient mover is going to a 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.600 positive flow and effect to field spoort athletes, even if 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.280 you make slight changes. And where the difference for me 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:12.320 really comes for field athletes is that acceleration piece in 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.680 that with a field track athlete. A track athlete, sorry, 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.239 we're trying to really teach them to project from the blocks, 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.240 and that's not always applicable for a field athlete. You're 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.480 constantly moving. So the way I kind of think about 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.760 it is that applying force quicker to the floor in 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.920 a field athlete is more relevant to say, a track athlete, 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.799 where they're trying to really project and produce really high forces, 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:35.320 particularly in the first couple of steps. 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.320 I think acceleration across we mentioned before me and Tomy 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.520 discussing around court and field athletes. Field athletes obviously will 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.080 have that max velocity component. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:46.800 They certainly do. 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:51.360 Court athletes don't really reach that max velocity component. So 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:52.920 when we talk about acceleration, I think a lot of 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.320 people agree that acceleration I say it a lot that 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:59.000 acceleration something that is probably the most influence that we 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.520 can have when we're talking gym setting again, I'm almost 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.320 sick of the argument of people saying, you know, you 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.200 have to sprint to get faster, Like, surely everyone knows 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.359 that now. I feel like we probably don't need to 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.920 keep harping on at about that. But when we talk 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.600 about gym involvement and strength conditioning involvement. There's always been 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.400 that mindset for me that I could influence acceleration the 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.800 most in the gym those first couple of steps. And 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.080 to your point you've just said that, realistically, when we 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.560 look at a track athlete, it is off that stop, 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:32.040 that block start, it's locking into a position and on 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.000 that gun, just producing as much fucking force as you can. 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.360 When we're talking field, as you said, often they are 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.760 on the move, they're in different positions. What type of drilling, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:43.719 what type of things do you look at to use, 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:45.480 whether it be in a team environment or in our 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.119 environment that you feel influenced that the most. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:51.320 What sort of drills have you used or positional. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.200 Starts have you used that probably are most successful from 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.640 a field sport athlete, You think, yeah, I quite like 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:56.080 a couple of. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.239 Things I've been using recently, as like a disadvantage start, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.440 which is used quite common commonly in sort of acceleration 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.440 type sessions, like for example, from a kneeling position or 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.800 a push up position. I kind of like pairing that 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:13.520 up with something like a dow acceleration. Why I like 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.039 that is because taking the arms away from me the 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.719 arms kind of counterbalance what's happening at the legs, and 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.680 if you take that away, the athletes have to work 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.200 much much harder to kind of use their legs like 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.880 pistons to kind of apply force to the floor really 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.520 really quickly. So I kind of like putting different drills 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.800 together that really harness on the way an athlete should 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:38.400 feel when they're accelerating, rather than necessarily saying this particular 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.040 drill will make you faster. That's not how I kind 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.000 of think about it. I kind of think about it 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.480 in the sense that if I give an athlete a drill, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.599 or two drills, or three drills, how can I put 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.640 those three different drills together so that they take one 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:55.200 piece from each drill about how I want them to 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.240 feel during a certain exercise or drill, And then can 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.200 they put all those different elements together when I'm asking 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:07.080 them to execute in an acceleration a pure acceleration type event, 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:11.920 for example, like a disadvantage start or a push up start, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.840 or a falling start, or just a three point start 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:16.680 or two point start. So that's how I kind of 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:21.440 like to coach acceleration in particular. Some stuff that I 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.560 think has been working really really well with the athletes, 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.600 particularly at Athletes Authority. Lately in that off season we've 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.520 been able to really hammer away at it because we 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.880 don't have that kind of pressures of long, long weeks 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.560 and high training and running loads whilst they're doing their 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:37.440 pre season. So I think it's been pretty cool. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.400 Yeah, and then Toby, obviously the environment you're in. We 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:45.239 had a good chat about this last week. Speed is great, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.480 but how the hell do you apply it into some 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:53.480 massive group settings, in particular a pathways program where you've got, 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.120 you know, also hundreds some clubs, thousands of kids, especially 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.080 like an American college setup. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:01.440 The hell are you influencing things like this? 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.600 Yeah, that's a great question and probably something probably something 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:07.320 that I'm not going to stand here and say have 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.040 all the answers to it. Wouldn't say well, I'm going 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:15.320 to stand up certain if you keep coming at me, Yeah, 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.440 leagues yourself, man. I think I think for me, it's 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.040 it's probably having a look and similar to what Bird 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.960 was saying, they're probably not trying to think of like, 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:27.480 all right, how are we going to get all of 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.640 these athletes you know amazingly quicker? Like that's not going 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.800 to happen in a pre season, particularly when you're teaching 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:33.960 so many athletes. 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.120 What I'm looking for is. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.760 When we're doing anything within this speed, and we will 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.640 start with a technical block I'm going to call it. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.920 But what we do is choose a couple of very 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:49.080 very simple drills that we would like to do that 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.080 are going to resemble the positions that I would like 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:55.920 to hit during our sort of accelerations or maximum velocity running. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.679 And so we're not trying to hammer them and do 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.600 you know sixty four different drills and challenge them massively. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.600 I want to stay consistent. So we picked a few 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.000 different key exercises, which is going to look at our 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.120 sort of hip block position, We're going to have a 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.400 look at a cycle position, and then we've got some 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:17.640 for projection and that's it, and we've kept them consistent. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:18.120 With the kids. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:23.319 So literally, our technical component is sort of three or 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:27.160 four drills which they will repeat each week, and we've 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.760 split them up into so with our squad, we always 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.640 get them in sort of three to four groups, so 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.160 we only are dealing with ten to fifteen athletes at 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.080 a time, and that's the big thing. We run a 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:41.240 carousel style drill base, so the coaches will have them 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.480 when they come to me for speed or to our 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.439 conditioning coaches. With the other programs we only have ten 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.560 to fifteen athletes, we'll pick those four drills that we 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.280 think are going to influence the key positions that we want. 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.160 We work hard on those. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.040 And then we try to encourage those athletes to then 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.160 practice or think about those positions when we then let 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.160 them run fast. Now, it'd be silly to think that 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.040 off a couple of you know, exposures, are we going 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.840 to change massively what their technique looks like in those longer, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.440 longer accelerations and max Lossit. 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:13.640 No. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.920 But the theory behind that is if we keep consistent 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.480 and keep the similar queuing and motor patterns going, that 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.360 hopefully over the course of the preseason we can start 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.760 to influence some of those key positions that are going 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:28.880 to make us more efficient runners like bird set. So 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.800 for me, that's where we do. We keep it really 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.600 quite simple. And then the other part, you know we 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.680 spoke about exposing them to speed, it's actually letting them 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.520 and you know we've built up over the four weeks 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.839 to start off within the preseason, but starting to let 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.800 them run fast and feel what that feels like. You know, 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.920 it is taxing. It's difficult to run fast. So getting 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.880 them to do that over the sort of built up 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.680 period of time and just allowing them to run fast, 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.319 they're going to naturally start to pick and choose and 0:10:58.480 --> 0:10:59.959 feel better with what we're doing with them. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.200 Do you feel it's appropriate for you to get them 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.079 to do that when you don't know what it feels 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:06.839 like to run fast? 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.679 Is it a bit about needing to practice what you preach? 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:10.800 Yeah, I don't know. 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:12.719 If you came down to Gore Hill, we might get 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.600 Samsy's opinion on this. When LOCKX and I were doing 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.800 some speed efforts and I was absolutely blowing him out 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:18.200 of the water. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.240 So is that staff race still eyes? 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.240 I think it should. I definitely think it should be. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.000 I keep putting my money where my mouth is every time, 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.640 and everyone gets too scared to stand up, and I 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.040 don't admit it. I reckon maybe someone here could beat me, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:32.959 but no one's gutsy enough to jump on. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:38.880 So Georgie, probably what do you say, Tommy? Two people 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.520 that say to you, for example, I only get fifteen 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.839 minutes with athletes in for example, one or two warm 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.640 ups inverted commas a week and I'm not going to 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.800 make a change in that in terms of speed or 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.240 acceleration because it's so little time that why should I 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.360 bother chasing a skips or so on and so forth 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.240 in that little amount of time? Like, what's your answer 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.840 to that? Because it's something that I come across a lot, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.640 and I know where I stand with that. I think 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.480 it's important to kind of microdose and all that kind 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.199 of stuff or what's your take on that kind of 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:08.839 question or whatever? 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.400 Yeah, I reckon two parts to that. 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.920 Firstly, I think really really importantly is having a discussion 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.800 with your coaching staff and trying to get them to 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.319 see the value in speed. I think if a program 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.560 doesn't value speed or doesn't put the time and effort 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.839 into it, you get out what you put in. So like, ultimately, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.480 if a coach is only going to give you ten minutes, right, 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.040 I'd be lying. If I said, oh, you can still 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.640 do amazing work and you're going to get all your athletes. 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:36.800 Heaps faster, it's not going to happen. 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.200 But I would then argue or look at what is 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.800 the minimum effective dose so we don't go backwards? Probably 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.240 in if you have that ten to fifteen minutes in 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.839 terms of the technical drilling, if I only had ten 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:52.160 or fifteen minutes once a week, I would actually probably 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.440 remove the technical drilling from that component, and I would 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.280 look at the gym session and where I could start 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.560 to hit similar position and strengthen the athlete in key 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.520 positions in the gym. I would then utilize that ten 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.480 to fifteen minutes for actually running fast, and that would 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.400 be how I would go if I only had ten 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.319 or fifteen minutes. Luckily, I think, and the biggest sort 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.679 of message I can say to coaches out there is 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.679 if you think it's important and you value it. Something 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.839 I got told very young is the moments that matter 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.760 happen at speed. So speed is what matters. And I 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:29.040 think if you look at all sports, right, or team 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.040 based sports that we're talking about largely here, all of 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.040 the important moments in the game or the game breaking 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.720 moments happen at speed. If you show to that to 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.680 a coach, no coach has ever said to you, oh shit, 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.400 slow down, you made them too fast, right, No one's 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.400 ever said that, right, So I think if we can 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.320 communicate that effectively to the coaches, why it's important have 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.440 examples of how speed has helped your team or what 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.520 that will influence. I think you can get them on side, 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.679 but if ultimately you can't get them on side, then 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.840 I think think save the ten to fifteen minutes for 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.679 running fast and look at in the gym what can 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.360 we do to influence key positions. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.320 Also, I mean that's worked quite well historically and I've 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.840 seen work well as well as being involved in it 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.319 is speed doesn't necessarily need to be done with the team, 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.640 and it'd be handy if everyone got to be quicker. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.120 But there's some positions in a lot of sports that 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.320 really doesn't need to be much more speedier. I if 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:31.600 we're talking NRL, a big forward, if they don't get quicker. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.440 It's probably not the end of the world. Be great, 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:35.000 but not the end of the world. 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:41.200 Wingers, centers, fullbacks obviously absolute game changes. So when you're working, 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.040 especially in a professional setting where you have positional coaches, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.920 you have grouping of coaches that will work with specific 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.480 wingers orthoughll in AFL, there's a midfield coach, a back coach, whatever. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.000 There will be a lot of moments in training where 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.240 they will break and do positional work. So there's no 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.320 reason why you as an SEC coach if you can't 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.600 get the time I'm in the prep warm up within 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:07.440 training that you can't start to expose the positional coach 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.520 to saying, because I can guarantee you if you're a 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.040 midfield coach in the AFL, you want your boys faster 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.120 or your girls faster. So what can you do where 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.200 there might be some skill element, but you can open 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.920 them up to expose them to max velocity. I think 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.200 probably too many SMC coaches get embreded in this like, oh, 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.520 it's got to be a conditioning block, that's my time. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.760 I'm in the gym working with coaches to find opportunities 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.640 to mold this type of speed exposure into positional training 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.400 is game changing. I probably don't see it enough, but 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.240 I've seen it work really well when it's done well. 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:38.760 Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.840 And looking probably the key demands of what those positions 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:42.920 do exactly as you said. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.520 You know, for your middles. 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.040 In rugby league, a lot of their work is accelerative work, 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.800 So trying to do some more resisted acceleration work or 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:53.600 stuff like that where we can and that can be 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.000 done during the gym session, right, Like that kind of 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.400 stuff can be utilized in a gym session where you 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.600 could do a five or ten meter resistant accel and 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.880 that is going to influence what they do on the 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.480 field massively. But as you said, then if you've got 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.760 the wingers or fullbacks, you know it can be as 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.360 simple as doing like their big sweeping pendulum shape. If 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.920 we have something similar where we can involve a skills 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.400 coach but get them to get through at speed and 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.840 accelerate and open up on those big C runs or 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.120 J lines as we'd probably call them, then you tick 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.920 him sort of both boxes, which I think then coaches, 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.080 you're not taken away from their time, but you're also 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:31.600 showing how you can influence and. 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:32.880 Add value there exactly. 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.800 And I think, as a bit of a segue to 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.640 our next point that I wanted to cover off, I 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.600 had a great coach back at the Giants, Mark Chocko Williams. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.600 For those that are in AFL probably know him. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.120 He is the type of guy that he's never wrong, 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.200 but he doesn't always say it in the best way, 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:51.440 and he used to have a pretty strong philosophy that 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:52.880 he used to preach every time we used to do 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.520 speed stuff as he walked past and would abuse us 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.120 about doing speed stuff. Is the fastest an AFL player 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.480 ever is when they're draft, because that's when they're fast. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.440 They're light when they're in the AFL. I've never seen 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.320 anyone get faster. All you guys try to show these 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.639 speed results and anything, but they never get faster. The 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.399 fastest they ever ass when they join. Now, as an 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:18.600 overarching premise, probably not accurate, but as a anecdotal and 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:23.960 probably raw account of team sport athletes, he's probably not wrong. 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:28.119 And funnily enough, Nathan Keeley actually threw up on his 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:32.720 Instagram this exact comment around this speed momentum concept. And 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.320 it's something that I've always really pushed with coaches that 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.919 and players to be honest that if I'm putting eight 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.159 kilos on you over three or four years, if you 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.359 come to us in your top speed's nine point five 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:49.159 meters a second, your best instantaneous speed, and then we 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.920 put nine kilos on you and you still have that speed, 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:56.000 have we gotten you faster or have we increased your 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.399 ability to move the mass that you currently have that 0:17:58.480 --> 0:17:59.600 speed momentum increase. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:02.760 I don't want to completely. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.880 Agree with Jock, But to be honest, it's hard because 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.480 when you see in a team environment, like we just said, 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.679 often we don't have huge amounts of time to create 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.480 these absolute speed beast. If they're not arriving to us 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.959 fast already, then it's very hard to make them faster. 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.919 Can we make them more resilient to their speeds? I 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.840 certainly think so. Can we maintain their instantaneous velocities we 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.479 add mass, in which case we've made a big difference. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:27.560 I definitely think we can. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.359 The question I have for you is do you think 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.479 in a team environment Let's use Australian sport because we're 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.119 probably the most and net with that, we know it. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:39.520 They get drafted into NRL AFL in the soccer world, 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:40.240 they start there. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.440 How much faster do you actually make someone? 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.880 I think in the soccer world, I think you really can, 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:50.479 because I think it's something that's really really neglected. I 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.439 was having this conversation with someone the other day and 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.240 talking about what their preseason looked like and how they felt. 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.760 And we've actually got an athlete here that Wedden did 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.600 a half marathon with no training. So he's a pretty 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.800 fit guy and he did it in a relatively decent time, 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:05.439