WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 12 February 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:08.840 Welcome the Late Debate. It's great to have your company 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.200 on the Late Debate. I'm James Macpherson with Liz Store 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.040 and filling in for Caleb Bond. The Great Kel Richards 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.760 coming up tonight. A Melbourne family desperate to sell their 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:21.040 home enlist the help of a Hollywood movie star. Will 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:23.840 show you the commercial they produced a little later. Plus, 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.400 when we look at the papers, police warn that someone 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.720 will die because of overcrowding in Gold Coast watchhouses, and 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.959 the Legal Aid Department in the Act explain how they 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.640 came to hire a convicted child sex offender to be 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.960 involved in child cases. All of that when we look 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.640 at what's making news tomorrow. But first let's start in 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.480 the UK, where the government have been advised to show 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:55.760 empathy to children who identify as animals. The guidance came 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.720 from the Children's Society. That's a taxpayer funded charity that 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:04.959 is supposed to protect children from exploitation. Now follow the 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.800 logic here, because maybe it's not as crazy as it 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:11.560 seems if you subscribe to radical gender theory. I mean, 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.440 if a man can identify as a woman, who's to 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.360 say a man can't identify as a cat or even 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:23.920 a Lama. Indeed, the UK Health Minister Ashley Dalton recently 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:28.720 said people who identify as Lamas should be afforded dignity 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.160 and respect. Calvin liz I would say that the classic 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:38.200 case of wooly thinking. Each person the charity explained that 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:43.000 their experiences are unique, and so they've told government department 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:47.199 to staff that they need to understand they'll never truly 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.440 know how other people are feeling, and that they should 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.160 try to be open. They should learn, they should listen, 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.560 and they should exercise empathy when dealing with kids who 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:05.000 are a identifying as animals and presumably apply rather supply 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:09.440 large amounts of kiddi litter. This has implications for Australia too, 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:13.200 because just last week a teacher in a Queensland school 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.000 was stood down after it was revealed that she was 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:20.560 identifying as a cat, wearing cat ears to class, licking 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.120 the back of her hands and hissing at misbehaving students. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.920 In twenty twenty two, The Courier Mail reported that Brisbane Girls' 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.560 Grammar School had to deal with a number of students 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.840 who were identifying as cats, even to the point of 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.840 cutting holes in the back of their uniform. So that 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:42.280 their imagined tales could find release. What makes me curious, 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:47.080 kell And is this whole appeal to empathy. We're told 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.520 that if you don't endorse people's feelings and validate them, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.160 then you lack empathy. And of course no one wants 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.160 to be accused of lacking empathy, because that would make 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.440 you a narcissist. And this is what I would describe 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.519 as toxic empathy, where it's used to bully people into 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.840 suppressing what they know to be true for fear of 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.520 being thought an unkind person. But of course it's not 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:14.520 kind to indulge people's stupidity, let alone their delusions, and 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:15.800 let alone for children. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.799 And this is what happens when you indulge people's delusions, 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:21.240 This is what happens when. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.080 You indulge people's fantasies. 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:27.320 Now we've got people who are fully grown adults identifying 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.200 as babies and staying home. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.400 It's all very grotesque. 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.720 Having their nappies changed in a warm milo in their bottles. 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:39.480 It is utterly disgusting to watch, and watching it just 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:44.640 like this, you're once again reminded the mental health problems 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.680 in today's society are just off the Richter scale like, 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.640 we are not in Kansas anymore, ladies and gentlemen, we 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:52.400 are so. 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:53.960 Far off the reservation. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.160 But when it comes to kids, I want to start 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:01.480 a campaign called bring back Bullying. Hear me, because if 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.480 even ten years ago a kid had tried this on 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:10.080 in the school yard, all the kids would have mercilessly 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.200 mocked them, said, mate, you're not a cat, and we're 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.040 not going to pretend otherwise, and nobody can tell us to. 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:16.839 You're being an idiot. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.120 End of story, and they would have cut it out 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:25.000 quick smart. It's in this society now where we're literally, 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.800 in the name of empathy and compassion, as you say, 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:35.520 told that we must facilitate people's mental health problems. That's 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.640 what this is, and it's coupled up with several other 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.000 things as well, those who identify as furries and actually 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.800 go around dressed up as. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.000 A cat or some other furry animal. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:52.200 This Children's Society says that nearly one in eight furries 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:56.480 also identifies as trans in non binary, which is twenty 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.680 times higher than those not identifying as furries. So if 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:06.400 someone's getting around confused about what species they are, confused 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:10.080 about what gender they are for crying out loud. This 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.479 is someone who genuinely needs psychological. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.960 Helpkel exactly exactly you said in your introduction, James, this 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.080 may not be as crazy as it looks it is. 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.440 It is everything follow the logic. The logic makes sense 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.840 if you start with their premise. I meant, the premise, 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.240 of course, is way off the. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.560 Ra well, the whole of the premise is wrong to 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.840 some extent. This is a wash up of the whole 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.760 trans thinking. In other words, you aren't what reality says 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.640 you are. You are what you think you are. Now, 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.680 if you start down that road, you start with boys 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.440 who want to be girls and girls who want to 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.400 be boys, and you end up with boys and girls 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.320 who want to be dogs and cats and wild tigers. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:59.680 And identity politics has actually made it really hard to 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.799 talk sensibly about mental health. What Liz was saying about 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.919 mental health is the whole issue. The Left, who advance 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.440 all the identity politics keep telling us there are mental 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.240 health issues. People need to deal with, these serious mental 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:13.040 health issues. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:13.760 But they're not. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.280 Dealing with them. They're pandering to them. And I thought 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.600 of a parallel thought of anorexia. An anorexica is someone 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.800 who identifies as being fat when they're in fact in 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.239 a dangerously thin body. So they've got a mental problem. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.680 It's a mental health issue that they're dealing with. With anorexics, 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.920 we don't say that's all right, that's perfectly okay. If 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.360 you identify as being fat, will say you're fat and 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.440 let them starve themselves to death. In that case, we've 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.560 already worked out that's not what you do. You realize 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.400 it's a mental problem, not a physical problem, and you 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.160 try to give them psychiatric care to get them back 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.760 on track. What's the difference between that anorexic person and 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.720 the girl who imagines she's a boy or the girl 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.560 who imagine she's feline rather than human. It's exactly the 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.839 same mental process. So we have to be honest enough 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.960 to say we recognize mental health, will we see it. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.480 It's an interesting phenomenon in our culture at the moment 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.200 where it's almost like the problem is not that we're 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.480 too bad. The problem is that we're almost too good. 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:24.240 We've become so tolerant we don't associate it, so inclusive, we. 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.040 Don't associate it so committed. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.000 To diversity that it's gone so far that then in 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.200 the name of being kind in the name of being 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.080 compassionate or empathetic, we end up damaging the very people 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:37.440 we're supposed to be helping. 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:39.760 Yeah, and this is a weapon that the left has 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.840 used for ages. It was the exact same rationale they 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.200 used around the same sex marriage debate. We want same 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.840 sex marriage. Bake our cakes, blah blah blah. Anyone who 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:54.120 raised any concerns was shouted down as a hateful bigot 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:58.040 for youth in Asia debate, everyone who was like, I 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.320 don't think dying with dignity, which is what they call it, 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.200 because again, this is all about compassion, and this is 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.960 just all about helping people die with dignity and honoring 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:09.400 their last requests, etc. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:10.200 And so on. 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.120 Everybody else on the other side of the debate saying, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.520 I don't think there's much dignity in a state sanctioned 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.920 injection to end a life. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.119 Let's talk about this. We're created in the image of God. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.160 Or if you don't believe in God, you have to 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:29.240 know that human life is sacred amongst all lives on 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:33.360 the planet. Maybe we should treat people with actual dignity instead. No, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.640 this is compassion and only this. You must agree to 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.120 it at all times now we've got a raft of 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:45.240 mental illnesses. And once again, unless you just say yes, 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:50.000 unless you just roll over, unless you just use their pronouns, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.720 the billions of pronouns that there are, now most of 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.240 them you can't even figure out how to pronounce them. 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.800 Unless you do everything we say, then you're just lacking 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.280 in empathy and you're just lacking in compassion. People have 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.640 to on mass shrug off that rationale because it's not 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:07.760 rationale at all. 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.720 If I am lying to you, I'm no friend to 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.079 you at all. 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.880 If you are saying I think I'm deoce or I 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.320 think I'm that, and I'm saying yeah, yeah, you absolutely are, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.920 and facilitating your delusion, I'm helping you make a fool 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:25.240 out of yourself. 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.240 In front of absolutely everyone. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.240 The Bible says it's the wounds of a friend, because 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.800 a real friend will tell you the truth, but it's 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.760 a fool that will flatter you no end and say, oh, yeah, 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.000 whatever your perception of reality is is. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.040 Perfectly fine we need. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.280 And again it speaks to how few friends people have 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.240 these days. People have never been lonelier, they've never had 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.960 less people in their lives willing to say I'm going 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:51.720 to tell you the truth. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.800 What's the problem with tolerance, isn't it? Because Torrance just 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.280 doesn't really care. Tolerance says you do you and damn 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.200 the consequences. But I'm not going to be thought a 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.080 bad person by speaking truth to you. So I'll just 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.439 let you carry on as you are and whatever happens happens. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:06.839 Tolerance is not that kind. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:11.000 Tolerance is unloving because the opposite of love is not hatred. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.000 The opposite of love is indifferent, correct, And that's what 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:19.120 it is. It's indifference. We just's saying, in the end, 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.280 you'll be mugged by reality, which is what happens to 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.240 all of these people. In the end, they are mugged 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.760 by reality, and we're going to let that happen. We're 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.959 going to do nothing to help you, nothing to sort 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.440 of get you back on track. We're just going to 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:31.080 give up on you. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:31.560 I just. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.400 Yes, we could say this again and again, but it 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.320 is just so obvious. And I think this is a 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.680 ninety ten issue. Ninety percent of Australians who agree with us, 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.400 there's a weird ten percent who don't. This is what 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:45.400 everyone thinks. 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.439 Well, grace is where you say I think you're wrong, 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.280 but I still love you. That's why people say amazing grace. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.959 No one ever sang a song called amazing tolerance. How 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:58.720 squeet the sound other issues. If the coalition win the 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:03.640 election later this year, then Senator just Enter Price has 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:07.320 been charged with slashing government waste, and I reckon she'd 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.160 be sport for choices on where to start. But I 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.040 think we may have found an area where she could 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:18.720 immediately begin, and that's by axing the First Nations Ambassador. Yes, 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:23.040 we've got a First Nation's ambassador. Justin Mohammad was appointed 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.800 by the Albanezi government in twenty twenty three. His initial 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.920 brief was to engage regional partners in voice, Treaty and truth, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.520 which is kind of curious because I'm not sure what 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.200 our partners in the Pacific have to do with the 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.600 indigenous voice to Parliament here. But of course when that 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.280 failed at the referendum, his job was redefined to help 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:47.200 counteract China's influence in the Pacific, and I'd be fascinated 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:52.920 to hear what Justin Mohammad has done to frustrate Jijingping's ambitions. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.800 He didn't smoking ceremonies, did a lot of smoking ceremonies. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:57.720 Lesson that's it, get rid of China. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.280 Maybe that was it. He's also been charged at this 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:04.360 with helping to develop a first nation's foreign policy, and 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.120 I can't wait to hear what our first Nation's ambassador 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.840 has to say about Trump's twenty five percent tariffs on 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.960 aluminium and steel. Penny Wong says, he's opened up new 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:15.560 channels of exports. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.120 For really and what are they? 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:17.640 Non? 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:23.079 Say what they are? Oh, the general expert point of praise. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.320 It's a role that clearly has been created out of 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.200 thin air. Speaking of air, the First Nation's ambassador seems 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.679 to spend quite a bit of time in it. In fact, 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.320 the only people really happy with his role, I would say, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.880 is probably Quantus taxpayers have been spending twelve thousand, eight 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:43.640 hundred dollars a month in the last half of twenty 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:48.520 twenty four paying for our First nation ambassador's international travel, 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.720 hotels and meals. You can see there on the screen. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.680 No shortage of trips over the second half of last year, 0:12:55.720 --> 0:13:00.560 to Geneva to Vanuatu, to San Francisco to Dubai, to 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.240 Kansas City and Washington to New York to Paris, to 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.600 honor Lulu, I'll tell you what he has been everywhere. 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:11.760 If you're totaled up all of the flights and international expenses, 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.920 it now runs to a quarter of a million dollars 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.360 in just two years that's been spent on this position. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.160 Liz, And where's our return on investment? 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:27.600 Okay, even as a politician or a counselor local government counselor, 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.000 when you go on these ridiculous junk kids, you do 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:32.920 have to submit some little paper. 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.120 The nps don't. They're supposed to be like, well, just 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:37.480 my presence was. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:41.679 The value, obviously, but the local counselors they have to 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.960 submit a paper just saying, look, this was what I 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.320 got out of it, and hence the return on the investment. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.880 The rate payers have spent this money sending me over there, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.280 we see nothing. We see absolutely nothing. And also, because 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:59.959 we're talking about the world's only first nations people, ambassador, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.800 I imagine that when he rocks up at these events, 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:08.280 there is flummexed read what this guy's good for? As 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.320 we are, you'd just be like, who is this bloke? 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.280 Learn his title, and still be like, okay, so what 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:14.920 do you do? 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:16.520 What are you good for? 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.040 Why would I even strike up a conversation with you. 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:24.200 What are we going to get done? It's extremely ridiculous. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.760 We love doing these things, particularly the Alban Ezy government 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:29.600 loves doing these things. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.520 That are world firsts. And then you look at them 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:32.880 and you. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.360 Realize why their world first tell nobody else had such 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:41.240 a ridiculous, redundant idea. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.160 And you've got to get back to basics. The basic 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.840 principle is why do you have an ambassador to represent 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.320 some Australians and not all Australians. Ambassador's jobs is to 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.560 represent everyone in the nation. I mean, if this is 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.920 going to be a founding principle and we'll have ambassadors 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.760 for groups, can I put my hand up to be 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:59.320 the ambassador for baby boomers because that's my general I 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.480 could represent baby boo Australian baby boomers around the world. 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.240 I mean, we likeing to go on treks to discover 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.520 the lost masters of Elvis, Presley and Memphis, really useful 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:09.760 things for baby boomers. 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.560 I mean it's this Helban easy government ideas. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.760 Kel I think there's a fundamentally absurd idea that you 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.720 have any ambassador representing some Australians and not other Australians. 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.720 To Enterprise has said she will abolish it when she 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.040 becomes the Minister for Indigenous Affairs. We look forward to that, 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.560 and that's just another reason to vote for the Coalition 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.360 in the coming election. It's coming soon. You'll have your 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:34.000 chance here. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.080 Something else we're looking forward to is hopefully President Donald 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.720 Trump saying that this twenty five percent tariff on steel 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:46.440 and aluminium doesn't apply to Australia. We know that our 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.080 Prime minister has had that very interesting phone call which 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.360 none of us are privy to. No promises were made 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:58.200 on the line, but here's what Albo did disclose. Well. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:03.200 President Trump gave a very clear signal yesterday when he 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:08.480 said that an exemption for Australia is under great consideration. 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:10.920 There his works are. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:15.480 They're consistent with the discussion that I had with President 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:20.160 trumpet was a very warm and constructive discussion and engagement 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.000 will continue to do so. 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.480 Better than nothing will take it. These tariffs come into 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.720 effect on March twelve, so we have a little bit 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.600 of time to play with already. You may remember back 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.000 in twenty eighteen, Trump threatened to do the same and 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.640 Australia negotiated getting off the hook. 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.080 So we were Home and Hose. 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:47.240 But there was one caveat on that agreement when they 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.120 said that we would be exempt from the tariffs. The 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:55.000 deal was that Australia would not use that exemption leverage 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:59.880 it to create a massive advantage and massively up there 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:06.879 exports of aluminum to Australia well to America. Sorry, well, unfortunately, 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.320 that's exactly what we did. When you look at the 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:16.080 graphs from twenty nineteen, our exports of aluminum to the 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.600 US go through the roof. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.400 They more than double. 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.320 So the guys in the States are saying, you guys 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.160 broke your word, which is creating a bit of nervousness here. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.800 I'm going, well, maybe we won't be exempt this time because. 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.600 We did break our word. 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:39.480 Here's Peter Navarro, Trump's top trade advisor, explaining that Australia 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.400 we are singlehandedly nuking their aluminium trade over there. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:50.000 Australia is just killing our aluminum market. And the President 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:53.639 Trump says, no, no, we're not, We're not doing that anymore. 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:58.600 Australia's primarily aluminum when it comes to the United States 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:04.960 and the The major companies in Australia are held majority 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:10.600 owned by the largest shareholder is China, and what they 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:15.120 do is they just flood our markets. After Biden let 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:19.359 them gave them an agreement that said, don't flood our markets, 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.160 you can have a reasonable amount. Our aluminum industry Pamela 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:29.240 is on its back. It's a fifty percent capacity utilization rate. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.640 In Australia it's ninety percent. 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:37.520 Now, I don't know what Peter Navarro's smoking, because Australia's 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:43.480 imports into the United States of America of our aluminum. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.800 By the way, aluminum. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:49.000 What even is that properly marked is just two point 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.080 five percent of the aluminium that they import. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.479 So to suggest that our imports. 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.640 Have got your industry on its back like a dead 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:02.720 cockroach is just ridiculus. Also, China isn't the big biggest 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:07.320 importer that they use either, That is Canada. Canada is 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:13.240 steel an aluminium. They're the biggest country on both accounts there. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:17.560 I just couldn't help but notice a lot of inconsistencies 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.200 in what he said back. I was like, that bit's wrong, 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.320 that BET's wrong. I mean, we genuinely are responsible for 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.760 just two point five percent of their entire Aliminium is 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:29.240 the issue. 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.480 The amount that we exported to the US or is 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.440 the issue that we said we would do one thing 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.600 and then we did another. I think that's the bigger 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.639 point that he's trying to make. Regardless, it presents a 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.520 big problem for Anthony Albanese. 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.800 I mean, is that howpfault though? Because they took it. 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:48.480 They could have just been like. 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:52.199 Hey guys, I mean it's been years since twenty eighteen. 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.639 Yeah, they let us import it. 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:59.280 The bigger problem is Anthony ALBERANIZI because this statement from 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:03.359 the I reckon representative happened just twenty four hours after 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.359 Anthony Albaneze had come out and said we had a 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.800 forty minute phone call. You know, remember Anthe Albanesi boasted 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:14.080 that he was scared, very scared of Donald Trump. I 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.080 won't say exactly what he said. There was a couple 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.320 of expletives. But now, Anthonyobernez He's had a forty minute 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.560 phone call. It's all been fantastic. Trump's described him as 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.720 a fine person, and within twenty four hours it's all 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:31.600 fallen apart. It looks like the appearances Albanze had been 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:35.159 given not that solid. And Albanize he needs this. The 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:36.040 country needs. 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:36.800 It too, by the way. 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.399 But I'm not sure who needs it more, Australia or 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.840 Anthony Alberanzi, because if he doesn't get this deal, it 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.439 plays into that narrative that the Albanese government have not 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.000 been on the front foot with our relationship with America, 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.320 that all the things they've said in the past have 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.960 now come back to bite them, and that the Albanze 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.760 government don't know how to represent our best interest. 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.280 And it's the whole big narrative of Albany. He is 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.480 a week leader, I mean, so if it falls over that, 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:05.520 that will be the issue that comes back. I think 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:12.320 when Malcolm Turnbull negotiated a carve out from some tariffs 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:16.440 in America, it took him seven months. Alberanze has got 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.560 four weeks to get this done. And we are already 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.880 covered by the tariffs because the tariffs have no exclusions, 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.200 so we're in and they come into effect on the 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:28.960 twelfth of March. So somehow between now and the twelfth 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:30.479 and March, he's got to get us carved out. 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:34.240 Forgetting killed. We've got doctor Rudd in Washington, so it's 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:34.960 going to be okay. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:39.680 Now, I wasn't forgetting was suppressing it. There's a difference. Look, 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:43.439 this Navara. You're right, Liz, he's a worry because he 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.720 gets a lot of stuff wrong. But if he's still 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.480 Trump's advised, I mean, I also this is just me, 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:50.560 but he said when we did the deal with Prime 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.640 Minister Morrison we had this extra bit was added as 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:57.600 a verbal agreement. Verbal just means in words. It doesn't 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.520 mean a spoken agreement. He means an oral agree. So 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:02.359 he's one of these people who's stuffing up the English 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:05.280 languages all as well as his knowledge. So I'm sorry, 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.040 but he is, as well as his knowledge of Australia's 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:13.520 aluminium production. But if he is Trump's advisor, Trump will 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:16.000 listen to him. I think there's a big hurdle to 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:18.920 get over. It might happen. I mean they might actually 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:22.600 do it, if they might succeed in persuading Trump, yes 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.280 we'll carve you out. But it's now just looking very 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:27.600 if he isn't it. 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.280 It'll be interesting to see how Peter Dutton the Coalition 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.880