WEBVTT - The Holy Warrior leading Trump’s War

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<v Speaker 1>Now, last month, our friend, former Fox colleague Pete Hegsath

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<v Speaker 1>was chosen by President like Donald Trump to be his

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<v Speaker 1>defense secretary. Now, since President Trump's announcement, Pete has faced

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<v Speaker 1>all the predictable slew of allegations about.

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<v Speaker 2>When Pete Hegsett faced the Senate to become Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>Defense secretary, he was grilled over almost everything.

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<v Speaker 3>We're always completely fiscally.

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<v Speaker 4>Responded, and.

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<v Speaker 5>His lack of experience.

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<v Speaker 6>Mister Higgs that I do not believe that you are

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<v Speaker 6>qualified to meet the overwhelming demands of this job.

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<v Speaker 5>He's drinking.

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<v Speaker 7>Many of your work colleagues has said that you show

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<v Speaker 7>up for work under the influence of alcohol or drunk.

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<v Speaker 2>And these past remarks that women shouldn't serve in combat.

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<v Speaker 8>Who said in your statement you don't want politics in

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<v Speaker 8>the dot Everything you've said in these public statements is politics.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't want women, I don't want moms.

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<v Speaker 5>What's wrong with a mom? By the way, once you

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<v Speaker 5>have babies.

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<v Speaker 3>I have never disparaged women serving in the military.

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<v Speaker 5>But the hearing also made something else clear.

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<v Speaker 2>Hegzeth wasn't just being chosen to run the Pentagon in

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<v Speaker 2>the ordinary sense. He was being chosen to wage a

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<v Speaker 2>cultural and ideological battle inside it to bring what he

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<v Speaker 2>called warrior culture back to an institution he and Trump

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<v Speaker 2>believed had gone woke.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a perfect person, but redemption is real and

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<v Speaker 3>God forged me in ways that I know I'm prepared for.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole Johnston and you're listening to seven AM today.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Herman, former chief national correspondent for Voice of America,

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<v Speaker 2>on Pete Hegzeth, the war in Iran, and the role

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<v Speaker 2>of Christian nationalism in the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 5>It's Friday, March twenty seven, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>When President Trump picked Pete Hagzev for the Defense Secretary.

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<v Speaker 5>He chose someone who would not only shake.

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<v Speaker 2>Up the Pentagon, but Trump used to joke about him

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<v Speaker 2>being TV ready. He was a Fox News commentator. Later

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<v Speaker 2>he was a host. Could you tell us a bit

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<v Speaker 2>about his earlier years, his reputation at university and then

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<v Speaker 2>when he was a TV personality.

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<v Speaker 5>What was it he like to talk about?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, Unlike some in the MAGA inner circle, heg Seth

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<v Speaker 8>has been pretty consistent in his views for a long time.

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<v Speaker 8>He was publisher of the Tory Conservative student magazine when

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<v Speaker 8>he was at Princeton university, and he was railing back

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<v Speaker 8>then about liberal indoctrination. He strongly opposed the diversity initiatives,

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<v Speaker 8>and he was a member of circle of religious conservative athletes.

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<v Speaker 4>They had a.

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<v Speaker 8>Nickname, they were called the God Squad, and classmates remember

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<v Speaker 8>him as deeply committed to this kind of crusade. Again,

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<v Speaker 8>it's the liberal culture on campus. And then when he

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<v Speaker 8>got on the Fox News channel, hag Seth built on

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<v Speaker 8>this reputation as opposing the woke ideology we've.

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<v Speaker 9>Got a new sheriff in town, the social justice engineering

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<v Speaker 9>of Obama, the focus on gender and quotas, and all

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<v Speaker 9>the things he did in the Pentagon which have nothing

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<v Speaker 9>to do with fighting and winning wars.

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<v Speaker 8>That ara is over, especially within the Department of Defense.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't like women in combat, no.

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<v Speaker 8>Hag Seth, maybe as a result of his experience in

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<v Speaker 8>the military in the field, has a kind of chip

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<v Speaker 8>on his shoulder, and he frequently argued that these DEI

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<v Speaker 8>initiatives were undermining the lethality of the military.

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<v Speaker 10>Return the Pentagon to the warfighters, Pete, get in there

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<v Speaker 10>and clean out all the social justice, politically correct garbage

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<v Speaker 10>on top, and get back to lethality war fighting.

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<v Speaker 3>Account of meritocracy and readiness.

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<v Speaker 2>And guess so, Steve, what was the appeal for Trump

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<v Speaker 2>of bringing on Hegxeth other than his TV good looks.

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<v Speaker 5>Why did he want him to run the Pentagon?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that had a lot to do with it. Nicole,

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<v Speaker 8>This is somebody that Donald Trump, an avid TV watcher,

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<v Speaker 8>especially of Fox News, had seen on a program called

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<v Speaker 8>Fox and Friends Weekend, and he viewed heg Seth as

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<v Speaker 8>somebody he thought would be trustworthy, wouldn't leaked to the press,

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<v Speaker 8>wouldn't pushback on presidential directives because in the first administration,

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<v Speaker 8>Donald Trump had a lot of problems with these military

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<v Speaker 8>generals who really felt that their obedience was to the Constitution,

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<v Speaker 8>not any particular individual or president.

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<v Speaker 9>Unfortunately, we have had leaders who either refused to call

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<v Speaker 9>bs and enforced standards or leaders who felt like they

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<v Speaker 9>were not.

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<v Speaker 3>Allowed to enforce standards. Both are unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 8>And hag Seth also, I think mirrored trump and rhetoric,

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<v Speaker 8>and with Trump's political brand, is trying to appeal to

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<v Speaker 8>the enlisted soldier, the rank and file, rather than the

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<v Speaker 8>generals and the admirals and the other high ranking officers.

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<v Speaker 8>And because you know, the common man is engaged in

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<v Speaker 8>this internal battle here in the country against this entrenched

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<v Speaker 8>so called deep state. That's the way that they see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve, as you were saying, religion clearly a very big

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<v Speaker 2>part of Hegseeth's life now he follows an evangelical church.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you tell us more about how religion has really

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<v Speaker 2>informed and influenced his politics now and his view of

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<v Speaker 2>the world and view of America's placed in it.

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<v Speaker 8>Hag Seth essentially views the United States as a Christian

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<v Speaker 8>republic and a republic that finds itself in a state

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<v Speaker 8>of spiritual and cultural warfare. I think anyone who studied

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<v Speaker 8>anything about American history is familiar with this concept of

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<v Speaker 8>the separation of church and state. But folks like Pete

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<v Speaker 8>Hegseth don't see it that way or say that that's

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<v Speaker 8>not what the country should be. He has these tattoos

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<v Speaker 8>the Jerusalem Cross, a Latin phrase that means God wills it.

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<v Speaker 6>Hexath has tattoos associated with the white supremacist and neo

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<v Speaker 6>Nazi movements, including what's known as a Jerusalem Cross, a

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<v Speaker 6>symbol used by Christian nationalists.

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<v Speaker 8>And these are symbols of the warrior Christian identity where

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<v Speaker 8>it gets really dangerous is that in this framing, the

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<v Speaker 8>conflicts of the Middle East are seen not as you

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<v Speaker 8>some sort of fluid geopolitical activity, but rather part of

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<v Speaker 8>God's divine plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Because as an evangelical, he believes in the second coming

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<v Speaker 2>of Christ, which would require Jewish people to return to

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<v Speaker 2>the Holy Land.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the belief there.

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<v Speaker 2>So is that why israel I, guess, is such a

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<v Speaker 2>central part of his views and why he's such a huge.

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<v Speaker 5>Supporter of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 8>In the conversations I've had over the decades with the

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<v Speaker 8>Christian evangelicals who subscribe to this particular aspect of ideology,

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<v Speaker 8>they need to protect the Jews. The United States must

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<v Speaker 8>support Israel because if the Arabs wipe out Israel, then

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<v Speaker 8>Jesus won't be able to come back to Earth, you know.

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<v Speaker 8>So there's a bit of discomfort, I can tell you

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<v Speaker 8>among some Jews. Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, has

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<v Speaker 8>sort of embraces because, hey, we'll take our friends where

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<v Speaker 8>we can find them. And you know, I don't believe

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<v Speaker 8>in this, but if they do and it helps Israel,

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<v Speaker 8>that's great. But other Jews will point out that, hey,

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<v Speaker 8>these Christians are supporting us, not because they like Jews.

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<v Speaker 8>In fact, they would love for all Jews eventually to

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<v Speaker 8>become Christians. But rather this is fulfilling a biblical prophecy

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<v Speaker 8>from the New Testament.

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<v Speaker 5>Coming up, well, pete haigsith, fall on his sword.

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<v Speaker 7>From this moment forward, the only mission of the newly

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<v Speaker 7>restored Department of War is this war fighting, preparing for war,

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<v Speaker 7>and preparing to win, unrelenting and uncompromising in that pursuit.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve pete Haig sith, he's obsessed with strength and power.

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<v Speaker 2>He changed the name of the Department of Defense to

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of or he's been releasing these sort of

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<v Speaker 2>strange video promos about drug card tells the Iran war

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<v Speaker 2>to what extent do you think he's there for Trump

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<v Speaker 2>to look tough, overhaul the military and just deliver the

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<v Speaker 2>president's message.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that his role? Or does Trump really even listen

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<v Speaker 5>to him?

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<v Speaker 8>One thing I can tell you about Donald Trump and

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<v Speaker 8>advice is a lot of the time it's just the

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<v Speaker 8>last person that Trump has spoken to who wins out.

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<v Speaker 8>He has obviously shown that he likes to be at

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<v Speaker 8>the lectern lecturing, whether they're generals or reporters.

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<v Speaker 7>It's completely unacceptable to see fat generals and admirals in

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<v Speaker 7>the halls of the Pentagon and leading commands around the

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<v Speaker 7>country in the world.

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<v Speaker 11>It's a bad look. It is bad and it's not

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<v Speaker 11>who we are.

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<v Speaker 8>He's made some strange and insulting statements belittling people. But

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<v Speaker 8>what I think you see among Trump cabinet members in

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<v Speaker 8>the second term, and we can point out the former

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<v Speaker 8>Homeland Security Secretary Christy Gnome as an example that you

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<v Speaker 8>engage in behavior that emulates the boss. But I really

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<v Speaker 8>think there is a limit, and if the performance eventually

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<v Speaker 8>reflects poorly on the administration, then the strategy can backfire.

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<v Speaker 8>And if this war ends up badly for the Pentagon

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<v Speaker 8>in US forces, it seems almost undoubtedly that Pete Hegseth

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<v Speaker 8>will have to fall on the sword because Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 8>is not going to blame Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>We know Haig Seth. He is the public face of

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<v Speaker 2>all of this war and he has been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>it in really religious terms as part of God's divine plan.

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<v Speaker 11>May Almighty God continue to bless our troops in this fight,

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<v Speaker 11>and again to the American people, please pray for them

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<v Speaker 11>every day on bendedde with your family, in your schools,

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<v Speaker 11>in your churches in the name of Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the commanders are also starting to use that

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<v Speaker 2>similar language. What do we know about how religion is

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<v Speaker 2>really being used to frame this war and is it

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<v Speaker 2>changing the nature of the debate in the US?

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<v Speaker 8>We did not mix in decades past Christianity and defense policy,

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<v Speaker 8>but I think we're very clearly at that point these days.

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<v Speaker 8>Is it changing how the war is being discussed in America?

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<v Speaker 8>I don't really think so, because the American people, Congress,

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<v Speaker 8>are the US allies aren't getting really any sufficient explanation

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<v Speaker 8>about why this war was started, how it's going to

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<v Speaker 8>be fought, what is the goal, what is the post

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<v Speaker 8>war plan that there is going to be. That's the

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<v Speaker 8>big problem.

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<v Speaker 9>You know.

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<v Speaker 8>You also have the President referring to the potential of

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<v Speaker 8>further attacks as possibly being launched, not because there's a

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<v Speaker 8>strategic reason, but because it's fun.

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<v Speaker 4>The line I said, why didn't we just capture the ship?

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to use it?

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<v Speaker 5>Why did we sink them?

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<v Speaker 4>They said, it's more fun to sink them.

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<v Speaker 6>They like sinking and.

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<v Speaker 8>The Pentagon in the White House are producing these video

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<v Speaker 8>game memes since the company for account, we've seen both

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<v Speaker 8>Iran and the US embrace and U style of wool propaganda,

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<v Speaker 8>notably using memes AI trothing.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to annihilate their navy, We're going to ensure

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<v Speaker 4>that the region's terrorist proxies can no longer destabilize the

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<v Speaker 4>region or the world.

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<v Speaker 8>There seems to be a mix of a really shocking

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<v Speaker 8>level of unseeriousness. You know, a lot of civilians are

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<v Speaker 8>dying in Iran, US military forces are dying, and I

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<v Speaker 8>think there's a significant percentage of the American public that's

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<v Speaker 8>finding this offensive objectionable, and we're starting to see a

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<v Speaker 8>backlash against that. There's the politician in Texas who's running

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<v Speaker 8>for the US Senate, a Democrat that seems to have

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<v Speaker 8>a chance in a very red state, James tallerco who

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<v Speaker 8>is a conservative Christian, but he is bluntly saying that

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<v Speaker 8>what is happening now, these are not Christian values, whether

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<v Speaker 8>it relates to immigration or the conduct of this war.

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<v Speaker 12>They have co opted the Son of God. They've turned

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<v Speaker 12>this humble rabbi into a gun toting, gay bashing, science denying,

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<v Speaker 12>money loving, fear mongering fascist, and it is incumbent upon

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<v Speaker 12>all Christians to confront it. And denounce it.

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<v Speaker 2>And Steve, what do you think hag Zeth really says

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<v Speaker 2>to us about the future or the direction of US

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<v Speaker 2>politics under Trump?

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<v Speaker 5>What is it he symbolizes?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I think what he symbolizes is that people are

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<v Speaker 8>put into these positions as puppets, that they must be

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<v Speaker 8>loyal to the president first and foremost. That is what

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<v Speaker 8>is important. And we're hearing terms being thrown out by

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<v Speaker 8>Trump by heg Seth that broadcasters who don't get in

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<v Speaker 8>line and report the war the way that the president

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<v Speaker 8>once it reported that those broadcasters could lose their license.

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<v Speaker 8>And the word treason is being bandied about as well.

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<v Speaker 8>So this is getting extremely serious. It's getting to be

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<v Speaker 8>beyond intimidation. And you know, this is not what American

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<v Speaker 8>media is about, because we have the First Amendment of

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<v Speaker 8>the Constitution in this country, which guarantees freedom of the press. Look,

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<v Speaker 8>if you want to put in sick of and goofballs

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<v Speaker 8>and billionaires as the Secretary of the Interior or the

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<v Speaker 8>head of the Environmental Protection Agency or something like that,

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<v Speaker 8>there's a limited amount of damage they can do. But

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<v Speaker 8>when you're talking about you know, the head of Homeland

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<v Speaker 8>Security or the Director of National Intelligence, or the Defense Secretary,

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<v Speaker 8>the US Attorney General. I think even a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>people in Magaworld and supporters of the president would agree

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<v Speaker 8>that he probably was not the right man, because it's

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<v Speaker 8>going to be a man for the right job at

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<v Speaker 8>the right time.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve, it's been a real pleasure to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 8>My pleasure, Nicol.

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<v Speaker 2>Also in the news, Iranian tourists will be banned from

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<v Speaker 2>entering Australia for the next six months over concerns that

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<v Speaker 2>once here they may not be able to go home.

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<v Speaker 2>Humanitarian advocates have criticize the move, which will effect around

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<v Speaker 2>six eight hundred Iranians with valid tourist visas, but Home

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<v Speaker 2>Affairs Minister Tony Burke says triggering the tough new immigration

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<v Speaker 2>laws is in the national interest and that many visitor

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<v Speaker 2>visas issued before the Iran war may not have been

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<v Speaker 2>issued if they were applied for Now and eight more

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<v Speaker 2>footballers have joined a multimillion dollar concussion class.

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<v Speaker 5>Action against the AFL.

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<v Speaker 2>More than one hundred former players now claim to have

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<v Speaker 2>been left brain damage by the game. Ten more clubs

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<v Speaker 2>have now been listed as defendants alongside Geelong.

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<v Speaker 5>And the AFL.

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<v Speaker 2>May thirty one next year has been put forward as

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<v Speaker 2>a possible trial date. I'm Nicole Johnston. This is seven am.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening.