WEBVTT - Carriage of secrets | 11 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:00.480 M hm. 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:02.800 Hm. 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:07.000 And you're behind him. 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.920 Yeah, I'm right behind it, turning left onto my road, 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:13.680 which is still heading in your direction. 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:19.279 You're hitting a lot when he gets there, aren't you. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:19.960 Yep. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.720 So we're just going past the shops in Karate. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:24.800 Road. 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:28.440 As soon as we get eyes on him. As soon 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.479 as he pulls in, I'm going to duck down. 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:33.959 Do you want me to buck down? 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:34.600 Okay? 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:39.040 Son right into Brook Road. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:41.720 We just don't know if anyone's looking at that. 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.159 We just passed Brook Avenue Public. 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.240 School and. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:48.919 Have you still got eyes on his car? 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:50.880 Yeah, I'm right behind. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:56.480 Him roughiet eight couple of minutes. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.360 Okay, he's just jumped the red light to turn left. 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:02.280 I'm not going to do it. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.280 He's just pulled into my head. He's just pulled into 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:06.119 Bavillage Road. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:07.760 So you should see him very soon. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:09.319 Okay. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.479 Can someone check the revision just in case he's coming 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.479 which way? This way, he's coming that way? Okay? 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:15.720 Cool? 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:22.760 Yeah. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.680 I'm sitting in event with a cameraman, a photographer, and 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.319 a security guard. We're waiting for Kevin Stephen Carrell to 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.400 emerge from his four wheel drive. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.320 He's looking around for some reason. He's looking for a park, 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:43.520 so he's looking straight at us. Stay down, he's sus 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:49.400 on us. He's three cars up on this on this side. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.400 It's a Friday night and Kevin has just arrived at 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.880 a leagues club on the New South Wales central coast. 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.000 He's wearing his black security uniform and he's minutes away 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:03.160 from starting his shift as a Responsible Service of Alcohol Marshal. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.280 And remember we want to approach him out in the 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.359 open the moment he gets out of his car, which 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:14.040 is parked just a few meters away from ours, facing us, so. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:15.959 He's going to be looking at us through the wind screen. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:18.280 It's ten to two. 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.440 And he's right there working on my twelve o'clock where 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:23.799 I'm looking. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.560 Can you see his driver's door happen to see the 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.400 window screen? Kevin lights up a cigarette. 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.400 I should be able to see the car move on 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.480 the door open, but I got behind on the back 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:39.160 as well, just in case. It just appears there's still 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:44.080 smoke coming out this window. All right, his doors happened. 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.040 Stand by, stand by, stand by. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:57.400 He dropped me out first. Yeap, Just wait comes down. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.480 Staying to stake Throe Defender down with them. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.079 We head straight towards Kevin. As he makes his way 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:12.040 through the car park towards the club's entrance, I can 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:16.560 see his face change as he realizes what's about to happen. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.320 Kevin Farrell. I'm actually Hanson. I'm a journalist from News Corp. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.880 I'm investigating the murder of Rochelle Charles. Did you kill 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:30.959 Rochelle Charles? He turns around quickly and heads back to 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:35.400 his pajero. Did you lure Rochelle to her death? With 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.120 the promise of a walking shot? Kevin gives me a 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.320 little nudge with his elbow to get the microphone out 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.240 of his face. Why did you change your name, Kevin? 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:46.880 Why did you change your name? 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:52.080 Get out of lake, Get out of the way. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:57.360 Watch out, Dan. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.720 I'm Ashley Hanson and you're listening to episode eleven of 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:17.040 Dear Rochelle, a podcast by True Crime Australia. This is 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.880 the untold story of Rochelle Childs, a twenty three year 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.799 old who was brutally murdered. Her killer has never been caught. 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.600 You just heard our approach to Kevin Correll. This day 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.560 was the culmination of fourteen months of rigorous journalism, planning, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:45.480 surveillance and careful consideration, Kevin drove off in a fury. 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.080 If you want to see the full video, it's on 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:52.320 our website, Dear Rochelle dot com today you A short 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.599 time later, though, Kevin returned to the club and began 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.520 his shift. We didn't get the answers we came looking for, so, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.880 I said Kevin. A follow up email with forty questions 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.840 about his suspected involvement in Rochelle's murder, as well as 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:13.080 the allegations from multiple people of stalking, intimidation, fraud, sexual assault, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:17.000 and rape, I offered to talk to Kevin, including a 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:23.760 sit down interview with him, but received no response. Kevin 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.160 was acquitted of all four sex assault charges in the 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.960 nineteen eighties. He strenuously denies any involvement in Rochelle's murder 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.560 and has never been charged, and in a recent email 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:38.559 response to further questions, Kevin said, over the past twenty 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.880 three years, I've been interviewed by detectives numerous times. I've 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.680 attended the inquest and cooperated with police, supplying my DNA 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.840 and answering all their questions. And Kevin vehemently denies the 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.679 allegations of domestic abuse leveled against him by his former 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.760 wife Elites. To date, Kevin hasn't taken up my invitation 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.200 for an interview, but his close friend and former partner, 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:06.280 who will call Marion, did agree to be interviewed. I 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.120 spoke with her at length just days after a photograph 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.440 of Kevin from our approach at the club was published 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.479 on the front page of the most widely circulated newspaper 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:20.440 in New South Wales, the Daily Telegraph. Is Kevin still 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:21.239 working at the moment. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.000 No, he got fired because of this. 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:25.680 Do you know why. 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:30.920 The justification for firing him was, Yes, the reporters were 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.080 going and talking to staff members and they all felt 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:36.680 like that they were being hassled. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.880 So the club had said that they're just going to 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.120 go in a different direction and just wait for six 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:49.000 weeks to see if it quins down. So I think 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.880 he's suspended, not fine. So suspended. 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.440 And how did Kevin take that news that he was 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:56.920 being suspended. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.440 Well, he wasn't happy. He loved his jong, He loved 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.120 his job and they loved him. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.440 Do you think Kevin might be interested in talking with 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:06.599 me and doing an interview. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.320 He has a hatred for all this, other than the 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.680 fact he wants the truth to come out. He has 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.840 bought the paper, especially when he's plastered on the front. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.440 Keep in mind, I mean when the case had come 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.960 was first on. Obviously he lost his work, he lost 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.560 his home, he lost a lot of things. But he's 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:34.840 always said it's nothing compared to what Rachelle's family has lost, 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.640 and he just feels that it's going down the same 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:44.000 road again. So mentally is not doing too well. I 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.960 know for a fact Kevin feels for the family. Put 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:51.600 it this way, Kevin's embarrassed. He's totally embarrassed with the 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:55.960 people that he not his old friends because they all 0:07:56.080 --> 0:08:00.280 know what had happened all that time ago. But his 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:05.120 new friend's new work associates. Yes, here's embarrassed about all 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.280 these things that are coming up. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.800 I just want to pause Marian's interview for a few 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.400 moments to make sure you're up to speed with some 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:21.160 fresh police developments. So what Marion tells me next makes sense. 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:26.400 Since Rochelle's case was reopened, police seized and forensically tested 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.560 the petrol cap from her car for fingerprints. They tested 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.239 the fueld cap. I believe it was only for fingerprints 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.040 and they didn't glean anything from that, but the family 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.760 is anxiously waiting to be shown by police. Two segments 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.840 of CCTV from the night Rochelle was killed. The security 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.559 video is currently being enhanced. The vision is from the 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.839 Bargo train station, which covered the front entrance of the 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.400 Bargo Pub and driveway into the back car park in 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.280 two thousand and one. The second segment is a mystery 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.800 blue v B or VH commodore captured with an unidentified 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.080 young woman and man at a service station at South 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:11.600 Nauro at ten forty pm, just over twenty minutes from 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:16.640 seven Mile Beach. Our publication News Corp. Only just reported 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:21.319 this CCTV development days before my phone interview with Marion. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.240 The last time I spoke to Kevin a few days ago, 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:35.760 he was happy that they have found footage of a car. 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.559 I think is it Rachelle's car? I'm not sure, but 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.160 he's happy about that. He was over the moon. Over 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.320 the moon a man, A guilty person would shick themselves, 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.400 wouldn't they. They said, I'll be proved that I'm innocent. 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:53.000 If it's unrelated and it's somebody else, say it's another 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.679 woman at the petrol station with another man, then that's 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.400 not going to prove Kevin's innocence. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.319 Why not if it's a different man, a different woman, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:04.520 and it's not Kevin. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.680 Well, if it's a different woman and it's a different man, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.679 then it means it's completely unrelated to Rochelle's case. In 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:18.199 Rochelle's car, well, it might they might realize that the 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:19.640 car is unrelated as well. 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:24.200 Oh okay, Well, I guess he wasn't thinking on those terms. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.440 Neither was I. I just assumed that. 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.480 It was her car, and we don't know if it 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.560 was her car. That's why believe it's taking a closer 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:40.520 look at it. Oh okay, does that change things for you? 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.160 Well, that's a bit sad because I think both he 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.640 and I are thinking, you know. 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:47.520 It's Russia. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.679 It is Rochelle's car that they've got footage of, and 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.640 they're going to see who's in that car. Okay, Ah, 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.280 that makes a big difference, doesn't it. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:00.720 When was the last time you saw Kevin in person? 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:07.880 Yes, we went to Thailand this time last year, and 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.719 probably a couple of times after that. When it came 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.200 down to visit the times. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.440 I don't know were you in a relationship with Kevin 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:18.640 when you went to Thailand. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.840 No, we're just friends when there's nothing physical between us. 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:31.160 There's nothing sexual, nothing physical. We're just friends, good friends 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:32.600 and not with benefits. 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:34.920 When did you meet Kevin Correll? 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.720 End of two thousand and nine Boxing Day. My first 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.920 impressions of Kevin. I liked him. He was funny. He 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:49.920 had a great group of people around him that I 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:55.400 enjoyed all of their company. That was the first time 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.800 I met him, and then I only en't met up 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:03.079 with him at men on a Friday night, and I 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.440 got to know him a little bit better. And then 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.400 things went further as far as starting to see each 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.640 other on dates and stuff. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.839 And did you get into a relationship with Kevin and 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:15.240 how long did that last for? 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.120 We were dating for a year, then we lived together 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.920 for two years. Then he had issues with his daughter 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.520 and he just felt that he should have his own space. Look, 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.880 I had issues with his daughter. I loved a bit, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.960 but there are a lot of selfish things happening, which 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:42.679 angered me a little bit. So Kevin wanted to keep 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:48.400 seeing his grandchildren freely, so then we stayed together but 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:53.640 didn't live together. He's supportive, his gentle He will do 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.960 anything for you without even asking he'll just go through 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:11.199 and don't know. He's just so gentle, romantic, caring, supportive, generous. 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.000 I mean, my roof was collapsing and he just voarded 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.319 money to me to get it, get it fixed. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.120 I just I don't know. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:26.400 I just I cannot see anything bad. I just can't. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.000 And I don't think you can keep up a facadel 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.719 like that for as long as since two thousand and nine. 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.800 But let me tell you, when I first met Kevin, 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:43.800 he was never, ever, once inappropriate, forceful, touchy feely. Now 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:49.480 how does a person like that refrain? I don't know, 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:51.400 I don't know. 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:57.160 Multiple people have described to me that Kevin has a 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.520 split personality. There's a good Kevin and there's a bad Kevin. 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:08.360 Yeah, me too, I'm like that pissed me off. I'm 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.360 not a nice person. Oh look, I've seen the angry 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:18.920 side of him. And when I say angry, let's say 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:24.600 it's it's an argument between he and I. He will 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:29.640 raise his voice, but then he'll turn around and walk away, 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.400 which is frustrating to me. I'd like to nut it out, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.880 but no, never in my face, ever, ever? Ever? 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.240 Are you aware that he was charged over four attacks 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.400 on women in the nineteen eighties. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:51.320 I have heard of it again. When I first met Kevin, 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:57.200 I had hell to pay from several women at mingles. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:05.760 I've had threats from them. They said they would not 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.920 that they want to be going out, but they had 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.200 gone out with him, and it's not right that he 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.160 didn't call them again. And there was a lot of 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.000 jealousy there. There are a couple of women that said 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.240 I was jealous of them, but I didn't know them 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.040 from Adam, and I said to them, I don't know you. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:26.600 Why would I be jealous because we dated and I thought, well, 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.440 good for you. Like everyone's got the past, I don't know. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:34.280 There was a lot of a lot of women that 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:39.840 were jealous that he saw somebody else and not them. 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.520 So why did Kevin change his name? According to him, 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:45.480 what was the reasoning for that. 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.640 To disassociate with what's happening? What was happening with his brother? 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:54.920 What does he say about these allegations that women had 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:59.200 accused him of very serious offenses, including rape. 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:07.760 We all know that people call sexual assault quite easily 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.880 not I haven't asked any of those questions. 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.480 I'll just tell you in all of these cases, these 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.520 women didn't know Kevin. In two of the cases, he 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.160 offered to drive them home, and while these women were 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.800 in his car, he allegedly attacked them, actually raped them. 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.280 That is the allegation that he raped those young women 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:36.280 in the car who were dropped home by him. He 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:37.840 was acquitted at those charges. 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:40.080 Why why was he acquitted? 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:45.960 He stood trial and it was back in the nineteen eighties. Yeah, 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.160 and the jury didn't believe there was enough evidence to 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.320 convict him. But I do know that a police officer 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.760 who arrested him in one of those cases, when he 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:01.400 arrested him, his pants fell down and the woman was 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:06.600 screaming for help running from his car. I have not 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:12.040 for help. Yeah, that's not good. Another woman claims that 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.240 in punch Bowl in nineteen eighty that Kevin responded to 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.520 an ad in the paper for a room to rent. 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.720 Kevin admitted to turning up to the home to look 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:29.399 at the house, and then allegedly Kevin has returned and 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.000 pulled the knife on her and raped her in the 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.560 home where her two young children were sleeping in a 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.000 near black bedroom. Now he denies it. 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:44.520 Yeah, but I cannot see that one. As soon as 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:51.280 you mention knife, no way and children n he loves kids. 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.160 There is no way if he knew there were kids 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.639 in there, she will never attempted anything like that. I 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:58.560 think that's bullshit. 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.440 Well, what did Kevin and tell you about who killed Rochelle? 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.919 Oh, he hasn't said he doesn't know who killed her. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.840 He hasn't said, he hasn't said anything like that. 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.280 Has Kevin ever told you that her fingers were missing 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:17.160 or detached? 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:24.400 No, we discussed it when I was reading the transcript. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.200 You've read the transcripts from Rochelle's inquest. 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.800 Yeah, like I said, I did ask him questions. But 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:35.000 what those questions were right now, I can't remember until 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.880 I probably read it again and then something might gel. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:43.520 Does Kevin like fire? No, he's really bad. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.959 With it too. I mean he had a platty at 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.920 his place and he went near the fire and he 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.159 wanted to stoke it or put something on it to 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.560 get the fire going a little bit better, and all 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:59.560 blew back on him and Bertie's arm. So no, he 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.080 has version to follow up. 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:05.240 And what about Kevin's like for movies? What sort of 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.280 movies does he like? And TV shows? 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:12.120 Well, that's something we have in common, and I love 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.320 watching crime shows. Like, who done it not? Try and 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:19.480 solve them? And Kevin enjoyed them with me and he 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:21.080 likes the same as what I like. 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:22.879 So it's. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.119 I love them. I love them. 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.040 And what about your children and your friends? What do 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:30.879 they think about Kevin? 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:36.359 They love him, they love him. Look, even at the 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:42.080 time of my brother's death death, which was twenty nineteen, 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:50.640 I had a niece post something on Facebook how grateful 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:54.040 she was that he was in my life and the 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.280 support that he had given me and the entire family. 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.320 I'm just getting emotional because I'm thinking of my brother. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:10.199 But he was nothing but supportive for everyone, and they 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.320 were so glad and I are still glad that he's 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:13.920 in my life. 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:16.800 Well, he's lucky to have you. 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.880 Yeah, But what's that say of me? If I'm wrong? 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:25.000 I don't know. Maybe my bubble will be First. 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.520 We've reached out to the Lees Club to clarify Kevin's 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:37.399 employment status. We were told he's employed by a private 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:41.280 security company and has not received any further shifts from 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:45.320 the club since our podcast investigation was brought to their attention. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:50.359 Kevin's career change as an RSA marshal has shocked many people. 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.200 Well, why has he changed his profession into doing that 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.000 rather of work. It seems from one to the end 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:04.600 of extreme sort of employment opportunities. But that does consume 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:10.240 me as well of his prior arrests, perhaps some without conviction, 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:14.760 but I was similar sexual nature. He's disturbing. 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.480 And here's Jane, who you heard from in episode six. 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:23.560 She accused Kevin of rape in nineteen eighty. Oh my god, 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.840 I don't know why you would employ this person. 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.240 Ah, that's just that's wrong, so wrong. 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.199 Here's Kevin's ex wife Elisa's reaction. 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:40.119 He's taking young girls out to the car. Oh my god. Okay, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:45.320 he should not have been in that job. And I 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:47.200 could see why I probably took that job on because 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.800 that would have made him feel really good about himself. 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:52.840 I have watched him in the job, and he does 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:54.920 love controlling a room. 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:57.720 Oh yes, if you'd ever seen him be in a 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:01.200 DJ when he was younger, Yeah, he totally had control 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:01.680 of the room. 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:02.440 Yeah. 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:07.639 He's a performer through and through. Yeah, he didn't just 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:12.800 spin the records. He dance and he'd mime and like 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.320 put on a show. He'd put on a full show. 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:18.760 I've never seen a DJ do that before. He'd have 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:22.280 girls hanging around him all the time. Girls flocked over 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:25.000 it like around him and wanted to be around him. 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.600 Since Dear Rochelle went live, we've received many emails from 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.840 people sharing tips and information about Rochelle's case. Bear with us. 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.680 This investigation is moving fast, but we want to bring 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.000 you as many updates like these as we can. 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:47.480 Ian Watson's my name and in the mid to late 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:52.200 nineties I came across a man named Kevin Carrell through 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.119 the motor trade in Nara. 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:58.280 I'm interested to pick your brain, not just because you 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.879 knew Kevin through the car game, but also as a 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.199 former detective. What's memorable about him to. 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:08.240 You at the time that I met him, And, like 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.159 I said, I didn't have any dealings with him at 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.080 that point. I did later on when he worked at 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:14.680 Camden Hold years later. When I first met him, we 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:18.600 ended up about forty people maybe from the car game, 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:22.320 in a restaurant called the Boat Shed in Nara, just 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:26.879 over the bridge. It was a social gathering and on 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:30.240 this particular night everyone ate had a drink and later 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.720 on in the night, a young girl I can't remember 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:34.320 who she was, but she obviously worked in a car 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:41.200 yard and she screamed out, yelled out in front of 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.720 everyone in the place. Everyone looked around, and she said, 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:48.560 he grabbed me. A couple of the guys walked up 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:49.960 to him, said what happened? She said, he put his 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:52.480 hand up my dress and grabbed me. She was about eighteen, 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.760 and I'm presuming he would have been forty at that point, 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:57.160 maybe a bit younger. 0:23:57.960 --> 0:23:59.040 Anyway, he was evicted. 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:04.720 They tossed him straight out. He's always wore black, black shirt, 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:10.159 black pants, black tie. Almost like your first impression was 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:12.520 like he wanted to be like a bad cowboy in 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:17.240 a western. There was something about him that was just sleazy. 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.879 He wasn't a person that you'd want to associate with. 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.480 When you refer to the he he grabbed me? Who 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:26.000 was this woman referring to to Carell. 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.000 They were standing in the back of the room in 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:29.600 a group of people and he put his hand up 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:33.000 address and everyone, the guys that I was with, turning 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:34.880 around and said what happened? And she just pointed straight 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:36.080 out of him and said, he just put his hand 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:40.400 up my dress. I guess it shows a pattern. 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.840 A pattern of behavior with Kevin. And what also interests 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:50.280 me about Ian's interview is Kevin's connection and geographical knowledge 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:54.160 of the South Coast. If you have any tips or information, 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:58.960 please email me at de Rochelle atnews dot com dot au. 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:06.080 Soon after Rochelle's murder, Kevin was fired from Camden Holden 0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:11.400 for financial discrepancies and the business was renamed Paul Wakeling Holden. 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:15.680 Kevin headed back to the South Coast. Rochelle's friend fi 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:20.080 owner stayed at the car yard alongside their manager, Jim Morrison. 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:26.560 I remained there for three years. Afterwards, I got a 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:30.680 letter sent to me from somebody. Three years later, in 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.000 two thousand and four, I used to opened the mail. 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.480 I was a receptionist and I received a letter in 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:41.000 the post that said I was jealous of Rochelle's money 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:45.760 and they referred to me as bat Fee in the letter. 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:47.840 I do remember that was in the. 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.520