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Speaker 6: So we're just going past the shops in Karate.

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Speaker 1: As soon as we get eyes on him. As soon

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Speaker 7: Do you want me to buck down?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 8: Son right into Brook Road.

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Speaker 1: We just don't know if anyone's looking at that.

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Speaker 3: We just passed Brook Avenue Public.

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Speaker 4: School and.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right behind.

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Speaker 8: Him roughiet eight couple of minutes.

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Speaker 6: Okay, he's just jumped the red light to turn left.

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to do it.

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Speaker 3: He's just pulled into my head. He's just pulled into

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Speaker 4: So you should see him very soon.

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Speaker 4: He's looking around for some reason. He's looking for a park,

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Speaker 1: It's a Friday night and Kevin has just arrived at

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Speaker 1: It's ten to two.

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Speaker 8: And he's right there working on my twelve o'clock where

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Speaker 8: Stand by, stand by, stand by.

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Speaker 1: He dropped me out first. Yeap, Just wait comes down.

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Speaker 4: Staying to stake Throe Defender down with them.

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Speaker 1: We head straight towards Kevin. As he makes his way

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Speaker 1: Kevin Farrell. I'm actually Hanson. I'm a journalist from News Corp.

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Speaker 1: I'm investigating the murder of Rochelle Charles. Did you kill

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Speaker 1: Why did you change your name?

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Speaker 1: I'm Ashley Hanson and you're listening to episode eleven of

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Speaker 1: Dear Rochelle, a podcast by True Crime Australia. This is

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Speaker 1: the untold story of Rochelle Childs, a twenty three year

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Speaker 1: You just heard our approach to Kevin Correll. This day

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Speaker 1: our website, Dear Rochelle dot com today you A short

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Speaker 1: I said Kevin. A follow up email with forty questions

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Speaker 1: Do you know why.

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Speaker 10: The justification for firing him was, Yes, the reporters were

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Speaker 7: So the club had said that they're just going to

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Speaker 7: Well, he wasn't happy. He loved his jong, He loved

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Speaker 7: He has a hatred for all this, other than the

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Speaker 7: The last time I spoke to Kevin a few days ago,

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Speaker 7: I think is it Rachelle's car? I'm not sure, but

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Speaker 1: It's Russia.

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Speaker 7: It is Rochelle's car that they've got footage of, and

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Speaker 7: No, we're just friends when there's nothing physical between us.

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Speaker 7: End of two thousand and nine Boxing Day. My first

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Speaker 7: We were dating for a year, then we lived together

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Speaker 7: and don't know. He's just so gentle, romantic, caring, supportive, generous.

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Speaker 7: I mean, my roof was collapsing and he just voarded

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Speaker 7: I just I cannot see anything bad. I just can't.

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Speaker 1: Are you aware that he was charged over four attacks

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Speaker 7: I have heard of it again. When I first met Kevin,

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Speaker 7: To disassociate with what's happening? What was happening with his brother?

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Speaker 7: We all know that people call sexual assault quite easily

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Speaker 1: I'll just tell you in all of these cases, these

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Speaker 7: Why why was he acquitted?

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Speaker 1: Well, what did Kevin and tell you about who killed Rochelle?

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Speaker 7: Oh, he hasn't said he doesn't know who killed her.

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Speaker 7: He hasn't said, he hasn't said anything like that.

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Speaker 1: Has Kevin ever told you that her fingers were missing

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Speaker 7: No, we discussed it when I was reading the transcript.

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Speaker 1: You've read the transcripts from Rochelle's inquest.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, like I said, I did ask him questions. But

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Speaker 1: Does Kevin like fire? No, he's really bad.

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Speaker 7: With it too. I mean he had a platty at

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Speaker 1: And what about Kevin's like for movies? What sort of

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Speaker 7: Well, that's something we have in common, and I love

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Speaker 7: watching crime shows. Like, who done it not? Try and

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Speaker 11: So it's.

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Speaker 7: I love them. I love them.

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Speaker 1: And what about your children and your friends? What do

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Speaker 7: They love him, they love him. Look, even at the

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Speaker 7: I had a niece post something on Facebook how grateful

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Speaker 7: I'm just getting emotional because I'm thinking of my brother.

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Speaker 7: But he was nothing but supportive for everyone, and they

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Speaker 1: Well, he's lucky to have you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, But what's that say of me? If I'm wrong?

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Speaker 7: I don't know. Maybe my bubble will be First.

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Speaker 1: We've reached out to the Lees Club to clarify Kevin's

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Speaker 1: employment status. We were told he's employed by a private

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Speaker 1: Kevin's career change as an RSA marshal has shocked many people.

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Speaker 2: Well, why has he changed his profession into doing that

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Speaker 2: me as well of his prior arrests, perhaps some without conviction,

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Speaker 2: but I was similar sexual nature. He's disturbing.

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Speaker 1: And here's Jane, who you heard from in episode six.

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Speaker 1: She accused Kevin of rape in nineteen eighty. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you would employ this person.

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Speaker 6: Ah, that's just that's wrong, so wrong.

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Speaker 1: Here's Kevin's ex wife Elisa's reaction.

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Speaker 11: He's taking young girls out to the car. Oh my god. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have watched him in the job, and he does

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Speaker 11: Oh yes, if you'd ever seen him be in a

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Speaker 11: He's a performer through and through. Yeah, he didn't just

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Speaker 11: I've never seen a DJ do that before. He'd have

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Speaker 1: Since Dear Rochelle went live, we've received many emails from

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Speaker 1: people sharing tips and information about Rochelle's case. Bear with us.

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Speaker 1: This investigation is moving fast, but we want to bring

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Speaker 12: Ian Watson's my name and in the mid to late

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Speaker 12: nineties I came across a man named Kevin Carrell through

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Speaker 1: I'm interested to pick your brain, not just because you

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Speaker 1: knew Kevin through the car game, but also as a

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Speaker 12: You at the time that I met him, And, like

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Speaker 12: I said, I didn't have any dealings with him at

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Speaker 12: he grabbed me. A couple of the guys walked up

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Speaker 12: to him, said what happened? She said, he put his

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Speaker 1: Anyway, he was evicted.

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Speaker 12: They tossed him straight out. He's always wore black, black shirt,

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Speaker 12: He wasn't a person that you'd want to associate with.

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Speaker 1: When you refer to the he he grabbed me? Who

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Speaker 12: They were standing in the back of the room in

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Speaker 1: A pattern of behavior with Kevin. And what also interests

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Speaker 1: me about Ian's interview is Kevin's connection and geographical knowledge

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Speaker 1: of the South Coast. If you have any tips or information,

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Speaker 1: please email me at de Rochelle atnews dot com dot au.

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Speaker 1: Soon after Rochelle's murder, Kevin was fired from Camden Holden

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Speaker 1: Kevin headed back to the South Coast. Rochelle's friend fi

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Speaker 13: I remained there for three years. Afterwards, I got a

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Speaker 14: I was a receptionist and I received a letter in

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Speaker 14: the post that said I was jealous of Rochelle's money

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Speaker 14: and they referred to me as bat Fee in the letter.

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Speaker 5: I do remember that was in the.

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Speaker 13: In the letter or addressed on the en flap, I

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Speaker 5: So Jim's office was right next to my desk, and

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Speaker 3: It was basically accusing her of Rachelle's murder. And it

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Speaker 6: It was in an envelope. It got to fi own.

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Speaker 3: It didn't get opened by me or anyone else price,

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Speaker 3: So it's first to for your own no reason to

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Speaker 5: And he came and straight away just took it straight

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Speaker 13: I know Rachelle didn't have money, mum, and used to

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Speaker 13: bring groceries to the train, like to the carriage for

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Speaker 13: that's the one thing that just stuck with me. She

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Speaker 5: There was nothing to be jealous of of her money

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Speaker 1: That like this.

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Speaker 5: I don't know where this letter came from. Three years later, but.

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Speaker 1: What kind of an impact did that letter have on you?

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Speaker 5: Massive It's just remained with me. I mean, the whole

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Speaker 5: experience is just changed the person I was.

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Speaker 13: I'm very guarded, I'm very yeah, just a very different

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Speaker 3: I passed it on to the business owner and I

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Speaker 3: think subsequently went to the detectives. I tried to do

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Speaker 6: But I vaguely remember it was done.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I don't know where. I didn't know where it.

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00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 13: Came from, didn't I who sent it, didn't know that

442
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 13: whoever sent it still knew that I still worked there

443
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 13: at the time.

444
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, just fear that's never left.

445
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: Can you picture the letter today.

446
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 13: I've blocked that out. But I didn't want to touch it.

447
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 13: I didn't want I wanted it to be fingerprinted. I

448
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 13: wanted like and I guess back then snail mail, every

449
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 13: man and their dog had handled a letter. So my

450
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 13: manager at the time, Jim, he just took it straight

451
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 13: up to the police station that same day, and I

452
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 13: resigned two weeks later.

453
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: And why did you resign?

454
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 7: Fear?

455
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 5: Just fear still to the day, don't know who did

456
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 5: this or who's out.

457
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 7: There or.

458
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking back now, what do you think the motivation was?

459
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: Of the person who wrote that letter.

460
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 5: Just scare me, just fear scare tactics, I guess, and

461
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 5: it worked.

462
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: Who would want to do that to anyone, let alone

463
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: to one of Rochelle's good friends. Fee was still struggling

464
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: with Rochelle's sudden loss. Who knew Fiona opened the mail

465
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: and who would think that business was still trading as

466
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: Camden Holder. Remember, she was a key witness in the case.

467
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: Detectives never identified who sent that hateful letter to her.

468
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: In February two thousand and four, when the letter arrived,

469
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: Rochelle had been gone two and a half years. By

470
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: this point, police had held a mass DNA screening and

471
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: detectives had a renewed interest in the case. That letter,

472
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: along with other incidents centered around the workplace, were explored

473
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: at the inquest.

474
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 15: This inquest will investigate the circumstances of the death of

475
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 15: Rachelle Childs. As Childs was born on the twenty sixth

476
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 15: of May nineteen seventy eight, I anticipate that the evidence

477
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 15: to be led at this inquest will support the conclusion

478
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 15: that she died on the evening of seven June two

479
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 15: thousand and one. I anticipate that the evidence will support

480
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 15: the conclusion that she was murdered.

481
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: Next, we're going to present part of a young woman's

482
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: testimony who applied for a job at Camden Holden about

483
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: six months before Rochelle's murder. She met Rochelle briefly, but

484
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: it was her experience with the used car manager, Kevin

485
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: Carell the court was interested in. On the fourth of

486
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: December two thousand and six, she took the stand and

487
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: her identity was protected. She told the court her interaction

488
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: with Kevin left her so fearful she moved house afterwards.

489
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: Here is some of her evidence. This is not her voice.

490
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: I saw an ad in the paper and I rang

491
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Correll answered and invited the young woman into Camden

492
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: Holden for an interview.

493
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 9: He was looking at my chest. He just kept staring

494
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 9: at me a lot. He looked at my hair a lot.

495
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 9: He commented on my clothes, he commented on my hair,

496
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 9: He commented on that I was good.

497
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: Looking a lot.

498
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was really creepy. He said he wanted me

499
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 9: to meet Rachelle.

500
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: She did meet Rochelle, but not on that occasion. The

501
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: court heard Kevin spoke fondly of Rochelle that she was

502
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: a terrific person. She did things out of character that

503
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: she didn't need to do, like work on her day off.

504
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: Things like that she had her favorite car there. He

505
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: always provided her with a car. He always provided her

506
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: with everything that she wanted, anything she wanted. She was

507
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: asked by counsel assisting the coroner, Peter Singleton, if Kevin

508
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: indicated that Rochelle did anything outside the employment that was

509
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: beyond the call of duty.

510
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 9: Yes, well, I felt that the way he said, the

511
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 9: way he spoke about her. I think I felt it

512
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 9: because of the way he spoke about her. He said,

513
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 9: you know, she does things that she doesn't need to do,

514
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 9: you know what I mean, you know, that kind of

515
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 9: thing with his the way he finished his sentences, the

516
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 9: way he looked at me, the way, you know, as

517
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 9: if he was asking me, are you going to be

518
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 9: like that?

519
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: The witness went on to tell the inquest she wasn't

520
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: working at the time, she was broke and was desperate

521
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: for a job. A second interview followed on another afternoon.

522
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: She was invited back into the train carriage.

523
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 9: I was interviewed by Kevin. First, he sat me down,

524
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 9: he had a beer. He asked me if I wanted

525
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 9: to sit when I got there, I said no. He

526
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 9: kept sort of gazing out the window as if he

527
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 9: was thinking of what to say to me. He was

528
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 9: saying he didn't know how to He wanted to create

529
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 9: a management position.

530
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 7: That's right.

531
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 9: He didn't know how to create this without the other

532
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 9: staff knowing. He kept saying that everything that we talked

533
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 9: about had to stay in the carriage, and I wasn't

534
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 9: allowed to pit anything. Anything that happened in the carriage

535
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 9: had to stay in the carriage.

536
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: She ran Kevin to find out if she got the job.

537
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: The following day, she says, he asked to meet her

538
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: at the Marino Hotel in Camden. The witness told the

539
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: court the pair sat down and Kevin began looking all

540
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: creepy and propositioned her for sex.

541
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 9: If you're interested in getting involved with me, you don't

542
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 9: have to worry about money, he meant. I said, what

543
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 9: on a sexual basis are you asking me to have

544
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 9: sex with you? And he kind of looked around the

545
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 9: pub like to see if anyone was listening.

546
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: He said, the off is there if you need it.

547
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 9: I said, I need a job.

548
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 6: What about a job?

549
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 9: I'm not going to make up my mind about that

550
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 9: until you make up your mind about whether or not

551
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 9: I've got a job. He said, I'm going to go

552
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 9: and see my girl at Norellan, who I see once

553
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 9: a week. I'll give you one hundred and fifty dollars

554
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 9: instead of her if you want to suck my dick

555
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 9: instead of her. He said, you'll have to let me

556
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 9: know in the next couple because I'm going to.

557
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 7: See her this afternoon.

558
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 9: I thought I knew right then and there that I

559
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 9: was not going to take the dog. But then I

560
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 9: said to him, my answer is I don't know I've

561
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 9: have I got a job or not.

562
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: The court heard she told Kevin she wasn't that desperate

563
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: for money, but she was desperate for a job. He

564
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: then told her to come in for a trial the

565
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: following day, and she did.

566
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 5: Kevin came walking up the yard.

567
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: He gave me the filthiest look. That's right.

568
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 9: He shoved past me, physically shoved past me. And I

569
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 9: said good morning, and he said nothing. I felt a fight,

570
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 9: that's right. We started fighting. I stood in the yard

571
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 9: at this time. I went into the yard, and when

572
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 9: Kevin went back into the carriage, I followed him, and

573
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 9: I said, what's wrong with you? And he threw something

574
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 9: and said, what do you mean, what's wrong? I said,

575
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 9: your attitude.

576
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 5: You're completely ignoring me. What's going on?

577
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 9: He raised his voice and he said, I didn't even

578
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 9: want you to start today. I said, what, You only

579
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 9: just finished telling me that you wanted me to start

580
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 9: this trial today and tomorrow starting at eight thirty. And

581
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 9: here I am, I've got.

582
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: Here, and I was in amazement.

583
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 5: He was yelling.

584
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 9: He was still yelling, saying I had all these forms

585
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 9: they wanted you to fill in. I said, what forms?

586
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 9: Where are these forms?

587
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 11: Give them to me.

588
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 9: I'll fill them in now. He said, I haven't got

589
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 9: them prepared. There was a tax form there.

590
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: I said, give me the form.

591
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 9: I've got a tax phone number in my head. I'll

592
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 9: fill it in now.

593
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: It'll take me five seconds.

594
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 9: He said, oh, don't worry about it now, and he

595
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 9: started waving his arms around. And there was at least

596
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 9: two other staff I could see in the yard that

597
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 9: were aware of this argument that we were having. It

598
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 9: was beyond belief argument. It was schizophrenic. It was I've

599
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 9: never seen a man treated woman like that.

600
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: Ever, the witness was asked if anything else happened.

601
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 9: I said to him, that's it. I grabbed my handbag

602
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 9: and I yelled, I said, I yelled back. I just

603
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 9: let him have it. I said, you've done nothing but

604
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 9: stuff me around for the last two weeks.

605
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 7: There you go.

606
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 9: I put up with the timing. I put up with

607
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 9: the timing you've used, meeting you in stupid places.

608
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: This is what I said to him.

609
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 9: The only reason I put up with it is because

610
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 9: I thought you were going to give me a job.

611
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 9: Don't yell at me. And I was pointing at him

612
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 9: and yelling, and I was yelling this out. I said,

613
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 9: don't you remember asking me to come in here today?

614
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 9: Do you have too many beers at the interview last night?

615
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 9: You should have placed an added the personal's column, not

616
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 9: the employment section. What a cheap way to find girls,

617
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 9: I said to him, don't think that everything you've told

618
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 9: me in your stupid little stay in the carriage line

619
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 9: is going to stay in the carriage.

620
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: Sorry, the woman told the inquest. She left in tears.

621
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: The court heard Kevin later phoned her parents' home, but

622
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: she'd moved out pretty quickly after the incident.

623
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 9: I felt scared, I felt threatened, I felt fear for

624
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 9: my life. I felt that if I was ever in

625
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 9: the house that he had my address, he might just

626
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 9: want revenge because I had to go back at him.

627
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 9: And yeah, I felt scared for my life, so I

628
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 9: moved bash kill.

629
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. It was then put to the witness that

630
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: someone had claimed she'd told Kevin she had a gun

631
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: in her car.

632
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 9: No, just my son's order pistol.

633
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: Peter Singleton then asked her, did you tell Kevin that

634
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: you were going to shoot him? No, The witness says

635
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: she reached out to Narrow police with her story immediately

636
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: after hearing about Rochelle's murder. Let's hear Peter Singleton's take

637
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: on this woman's evidence.

638
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 15: Well, in my experience, it's very unusual to go to

639
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 15: a job interview and end up in fear of your life.

640
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 15: In the context of this case, what it is is

641
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 15: a part of painting a picture of one of the

642
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 15: people of interest, as I said before, a part of

643
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 15: it of a thorough investigation tries to understand the victim

644
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 15: and tries to understand the various people who might have

645
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 15: come across her path in order to work out who

646
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 15: it is. But it's worth pointing out that there are

647
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 15: different legal tests applicable at an investigation stage, at an

648
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 15: inquest stage, and a trial stage. But the basic idea

649
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 15: is that the person that the accused has a history

650
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 15: that shows that he or she has a tendency to

651
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 15: act in a particular peculiar way, or is known to

652
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 15: have committed prior acts in a particular peculiar way, such that.

653
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: It is likely.

654
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 15: That the crime with which he or she is charged,

655
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 15: which was committed in that peculiar way, was committed by him.

656
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 15: But there has to be a higher level of peculiarity

657
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 15: or special features that show that it really is very unlikely.

658
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 11: To be a coincidence.

659
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 15: The fact that a job applicant applicant was creeped out

660
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 15: to the point of extreme fearfulness does not line up

661
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 15: with any anything specific to what happened to Rochelle. In fact,

662
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 15: it could be said that it goes the other way,

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Speaker 15: because Rochelle presumably went for a job interview and wasn't

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Speaker 15: for it to out and took the job. That's where

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Speaker 15: the similarity is, and it isn't similar. The evidence you've

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Speaker 15: pointed out really is evidence that mister Correll might be

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Speaker 15: a bad person of the relevant kind. Well, that makes

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Speaker 15: him of interest to investigate. It can't be used as

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Speaker 15: evidence against him. If it doesn't lead to admissible evidence,

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Speaker 15: then it comes to nothing.

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Speaker 1: So when you painted this picture of Kevin Correll, what

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Speaker 1: did you see?

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Speaker 15: I recall that I put to him a list of

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Speaker 15: similarities between Rochelle's circumstances and engagement with him, and the

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Speaker 15: details relating to at least one, maybe a couple of

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Speaker 15: women who had been in mister Carrell's life in the past,

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Speaker 15: and they were sufficiently striking in my view to put

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Speaker 15: them to him for comparison and for his comment. In

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Speaker 15: the end, of course, they were not judged enough to

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Speaker 15: prove his guilt of any crime.

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Speaker 1: How did you react to that line of questioning from you?

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Speaker 15: My recollection, which is subject to the transcription and should

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Speaker 15: be checked, is that he at that point approximately that point,

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Speaker 15: decline to answer questions on the grounds that it might

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Speaker 6: Have you ever told any person that you were, or

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Speaker 6: ever had been, a private investigator and.

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Speaker 16: They have asked mister Johnston or refuse to answer that

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Speaker 16: question on the grounds that it may incriminate me the work.

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Speaker 6: As a private investigator.

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Speaker 16: On the advice of mister Johnston I refuse to answer

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Speaker 16: that question on the grounds that it may incriminate me.

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Speaker 6: Have you ever worked as a psychologist or psychiatrist?

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Speaker 16: On the advice of mister Johnston, I refuse to answer

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Speaker 16: that question on the grounds that it may incriminate me.

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Speaker 16: Have you ever falsely made a representation to any person

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Speaker 16: about your employment or the works that you did or

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Speaker 16: had done in the past. On the advice of mister Johnston,

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Speaker 16: I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that

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Speaker 16: it may incriminate me.

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Speaker 6: What was your reason for changing your name to Kevin Corrupt?

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Speaker 16: On the advice of mister Johnston, I refuse to answer

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Speaker 16: that question on the grounds that it.

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Speaker 6: May incriminate me.

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Speaker 1: Is there any reason that I should be concerned about

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Speaker 1: my safety investigating this case?

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Speaker 15: I think you should be a little bit careful. There's

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Speaker 15: a reasonable chance that the person who killed Rochelle Childs

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Speaker 15: with a sexual motive, if that's what he had, would

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Speaker 15: have a similar motive towards you, but also hatred if

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Speaker 15: you actually manage to expose him or bring him into disrepute.

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Speaker 1: It's a very serious thing to say, and obviously not

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Speaker 1: one that you take lightly. No, but.

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Speaker 15: What you're doing is potentially very valuable to the public,

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Speaker 15: but potentially very harmful to a dangerous person. And I'm

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Speaker 15: afraid you fit the profile of his potential victim. We

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Speaker 15: do know what Rochelle's profile was, and you're not wholly dissimilar.

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Speaker 15: Of course, there'll be vast differences between any two people,

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Speaker 15: but at a superficial level, this person's obviously dangerous, whoever.

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Speaker 6: It may be.

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Speaker 15: You are embarking on it now. The chance for any

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Speaker 15: of us is rather small, but you have heightened the

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Speaker 15: chance for.

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Speaker 1: Yourself coming soon on de Rochelle. And I remember one

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Speaker 1: of the last things I said to him was I'll

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Speaker 1: find him.

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Speaker 6: I drew Peter on the side of the lake and say, well,

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Speaker 6: it's your job to draw that crocodile out.

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Speaker 12: Mill's dad was fed a lot of lies about the

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Speaker 12: homicide squad.

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Speaker 8: Which would so strange that you would give a young

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Speaker 8: girl like that that sort of vehicle for a weekend.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Mill, And we're about the sirch we.

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Speaker 6: Look at someone with psychopathic personality.

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Speaker 1: You have more strength than you give yourself.

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Speaker 14: For.

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Speaker 7: There were quite a few years that I know I

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Speaker 7: protected him.

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