Speaker 1: I get a Champce. It's it's Jumbo and it's Cookie.
Speaker 1: It's the Bloody You Project. It's us, It's you again
Speaker 1: for the million time. It's thirtieth of January. As we
Speaker 1: record this, it's two oh three in the RBO. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I do that. I do. Do you
Speaker 1: know why I do that? Tip? It's the U project,
Speaker 1: like station ID time Check. Yeah, I can tell everybody
Speaker 1: that's currently it's twenty one degrees in our city by
Speaker 1: the bay here in Hampton over there in Port Melbourne.
Speaker 1: Where is that where you live? Do you? Thank God?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: You'll not know.
Speaker 1: I don't know Ellwood, Elwood? What's a temp in Elwood?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 2: I've got no idea I've got. I haven't worked for
Speaker 2: se N for a million years like you, so I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't slip into time check mode.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what we need. Station ID time check,
Speaker 1: weather check and coming up after the break, coming up
Speaker 1: up on the other side of this, we've got the
Speaker 1: news and Tip Cook's coming into studio to talk to
Speaker 1: us about, you know, all things buddy health and wellness
Speaker 1: more on Melbourne's homosport next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just been doing a version of this, which irritates.
Speaker 2: I mean, when I record a bunch of my intros
Speaker 2: to my show, I kind of do all editing and
Speaker 2: then I have intro recording moment and they all said
Speaker 2: and I'm like, it irritates me because I do the
Speaker 2: same thing. We were around. It's the same. I'm like, oh, spew.
Speaker 1: Isn't it Isn't it funny? How like with this right
Speaker 1: where there's no well for me or you, there's no
Speaker 1: pressure for maybe somebody else doing something like this, there
Speaker 1: might be pressure or perceive pressure. But when you've got
Speaker 1: to do, like, give me something where I've got to
Speaker 1: talk for now, no problem. Give me something where I've
Speaker 1: got to talk for thirty seconds, I fuck it up
Speaker 1: thirteen times in a row. Yes, you know where you go.
Speaker 1: You know, let's say I've got to I've got to
Speaker 1: do an intro for a pre recorded whatever, and I'll
Speaker 1: go all right, here we go, all right, all right?
Speaker 1: Oh fuck? And then you know it's like that, you know,
Speaker 1: like I was going to do I was going to
Speaker 1: do a podcast the other day on a particular topic.
Speaker 1: I know the topic. Well, I fucked it up literally
Speaker 1: about I don't know seven times, and then I crack
Speaker 1: the shit. So I threw the glow mesh in the
Speaker 1: shag pile, I threw the dumpy butt and window threw
Speaker 1: all the toys out of the fucking cot and I went,
Speaker 1: fuck that title, I'm not doing it. You can all
Speaker 1: get rooted and the world clearly doesn't need to hear
Speaker 1: that shit. Fuck it, And then I sulled.
Speaker 2: You know what, funny though, I love I actually selfishly
Speaker 2: love hearing this because the times when we've done like
Speaker 2: a double episode and you have to record an intro
Speaker 2: and you do it in front of me when I'm
Speaker 2: on the screen, you can just go bup and pop
Speaker 2: it out and it's brilliant, and I'm like, how does
Speaker 2: he do that? So I love that when because I
Speaker 2: do the same thing. When someone's not on the screen
Speaker 2: with me, I can't do it, whereas if there are
Speaker 2: people on the zoom screen bang on about anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know. It's it's funny how we
Speaker 1: get in our own way. It's that it's that I
Speaker 1: did I did an episode speaking of such things, I
Speaker 1: did an episode just before and I know this is
Speaker 1: not where we're going today, but fuck it, who knows
Speaker 1: where we'll go. We always talk. We just had a
Speaker 1: three minute chat everyone about what we're going to talk about,
Speaker 1: and then we continue. Then we proceed to talk about
Speaker 1: none of that. But I did. I did because I
Speaker 1: think this is relevant. But I did a chat about
Speaker 1: you know, the difference between what we think and what
Speaker 1: is real, like the the the perception versus the data.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like I feel or I think not
Speaker 1: like I'm not good enough, but there's actually data and
Speaker 1: evidence to say, well, you are good enough. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not the fucking best, but you're good enough. Or
Speaker 1: I'm on lovable or whatever. Well, yeah, I get it,
Speaker 1: you feel that, but people love you, so you're not
Speaker 1: unlovable or do you know what I mean? But despite
Speaker 1: the evidence, we can still believe stuff that isn't true,
Speaker 1: so much so that we've even got real world outcomes
Speaker 1: and data and evidence to say that, no, you're not
Speaker 1: fucking useless. Yet in the middle of that knowledge, we
Speaker 1: can still feel or even think or believe we're useless.
Speaker 1: And it's like I'm sixty as fuck and it doesn't
Speaker 1: go away, like it doesn't it just like the volume
Speaker 1: goes down and I've done some great shit, like as in,
Speaker 1: I've done really cool things in my life that I
Speaker 1: never thought I would do, but the feeling of supreme
Speaker 1: confidence just is never there.
Speaker 2: I feel like you were following my friend and I
Speaker 2: this morning when we walked because I said this to
Speaker 2: who I had the exact conversation where I said, you know,
Speaker 2: and I've been thinking about it a lot and realizing
Speaker 2: it all week in a really intense way, and I
Speaker 2: just said, I just don't understand why in the middle
Speaker 2: of not failing things right now, I feel like a failure.
Speaker 2: And I know that that I don't understand what's going
Speaker 2: on with this and what creates the intensity around it.
Speaker 2: At times, it's like a puzzle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you objectively, when I can look at what
Speaker 1: you're doing objectively in terms of your career and your development,
Speaker 1: you're learning whatever and go well, you are definitely at
Speaker 1: the very least improving and growing and evolving at the least. Right,
Speaker 1: But in the middle of that objective reality, your subjective experiences,
Speaker 1: I'm dog shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I feel like I feel like I know
Speaker 2: there's growth in one direction, but I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a decline twice as big in the other direction, and
Speaker 2: it's such a funny experience.
Speaker 1: Well as Eckhart tool and many other spiritual teachers would.
Speaker 1: And you know, missus, I've got a rock in my
Speaker 1: bra because I've been to Nepal and I had enlightenment.
Speaker 2: I haven't been to Nepal.
Speaker 1: Sorry India, Sorry India. But is finding that like being
Speaker 1: aware of that without becoming that I'm aware of it,
Speaker 1: I'm not. And I realize like I can think things
Speaker 1: that are lies, like all that are not true. I
Speaker 1: can even believe it's true while at being completely untrue.
Speaker 1: You know I'm not good good enough to I actually said,
Speaker 1: and I'm probably sorry for repeating this everyone, but you
Speaker 1: haven't heard it. Tiff. I remember like one of the events,
Speaker 1: and we're going to do another event. We're going to
Speaker 1: do a big U Project event at the Communi this year. Everyone,
Speaker 1: So batten down the fucking hatches, start saving because it's
Speaker 1: going to be super expensive. So sell a kidney and
Speaker 1: get ready. Now it's not going to be expensive. But
Speaker 1: I remember, you know this, self doubt this, I'm not
Speaker 1: good enough. Who the fuck would want to listen to
Speaker 1: you or read you or watch you. You know that's
Speaker 1: been ever present despite the fact that I know that
Speaker 1: some people do, but I still feel like, who would
Speaker 1: and why would they? And even though I'm going okay
Speaker 1: at the moment, I'm just lucky, it's just a phase.
Speaker 1: It's going to go. But I remember one day at
Speaker 1: Deacon when we had a room full, we had just
Speaker 1: under seven hundred people, and I was just in the zone.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's one of those days where
Speaker 1: it feels like it's coming through you, not from you.
Speaker 1: It's like you're throwing three pointers at the free throw
Speaker 1: line and every ball is going in every basket without
Speaker 1: even touching the net. It was like that, and everything
Speaker 1: was just working and I kind of had this moment
Speaker 1: where I looked up and I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is true, but it seemed like there were seven hundred
Speaker 1: people in the palm of my hand, just captivated by
Speaker 1: what was going on, and they were just fully present
Speaker 1: and they were and what I was saying was landing
Speaker 1: and there was connection and there was tears and there
Speaker 1: was revelation and there's like and I just had this
Speaker 1: moment where I went, fucking the hell, I'm not shit,
Speaker 1: I'm not shit. This is oh my god, I can
Speaker 1: do this. You know, this is I'm not terrible, you know,
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, I don't this is what I
Speaker 1: thought to myself. I've had the few times in my life, right,
Speaker 1: and this was one of the maybe five times in
Speaker 1: my life where I've gone, don't forget this moment. This
Speaker 1: is an important moment for you. And I remember it
Speaker 1: really clearly, and I remember at the end of the
Speaker 1: day because it was you know, we have lots of
Speaker 1: good days with those workshops and seminars and conferences that
Speaker 1: we do, and You've been involved in lots of them.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, everyone had kind
Speaker 1: of gone and just picking up some shits, and Melissa
Speaker 1: comes up to me, and we were on the stage
Speaker 1: and the last person had filter out of the filtered
Speaker 1: out the room, and she was just packing up her
Speaker 1: suitcase with a myriad of things that she takes and
Speaker 1: she just looks at me and she goes, this is
Speaker 1: actually what she said. She goes, what the fuck was that?
Speaker 1: And I go, I don't know. I go, I don't know.
Speaker 1: She goes, oh my god. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: when there's just something special that happens, you know, it
Speaker 1: could be a one on one conversation with someone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and even on that day, Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. That's the thing about connection and communication and
Speaker 1: being able to, you know, be in the middle of
Speaker 1: something amazing with people and creating that experience.
Speaker 2: Winding back to that idea of the you know, feeling
Speaker 2: one way about our reality when you know our perception
Speaker 2: of it, do you reckon there's a relationship. I wonder
Speaker 2: if there is to me, if there's a relationship between
Speaker 2: in hope and risk. Right, So, when you're in when
Speaker 2: you kind of perceive where you're at and you're in
Speaker 2: this shit spot, there's only hope. There's only hope because
Speaker 2: there's only one way. It's like, when I changed to
Speaker 2: do the stuff I'm doing now, we were in the
Speaker 2: middle of a pretty shitty situation where things will looking grim.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, it can't get worse than this, so
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to do something new and brave and
Speaker 2: bold and wonderful. And the only place to go is up.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, when you start to
Speaker 2: build on that and you get a little bit better,
Speaker 2: a little bit better, you're not at the bottom rung anymore,
Speaker 2: and it's like I could also fall. There's lots of hope.
Speaker 2: There's all that hope up there, and I'm closer to it,
Speaker 2: but also I could fall from here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Look, I think that's interesting because when
Speaker 1: you go, well, there's only hope, I'm like, well, there's
Speaker 1: definitely hope if you're that way and you can find that.
Speaker 1: But I think there's also strategy. There's also great questions.
Speaker 1: There's like, oh, well, I'm in a shit spot, all right,
Speaker 1: so you just acknowledge I'm in a shit spot or
Speaker 1: I fucked up, or I'm physically or mentally or financially
Speaker 1: or professionally out of shape or got that's cool, all right,
Speaker 1: Then what's one thing you can do today tif to
Speaker 1: make some ground? What's one thing you can do. What's
Speaker 1: one conversation, What's one decision, What's one action? But yeah,
Speaker 1: and that I think that ability to be able to
Speaker 1: feel like you're not good enough but still try.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just go.
Speaker 1: Look, I don't know, I don't know. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you and I are similar in that I
Speaker 1: don't think. Well, I don't know. Maybe you're way more
Speaker 1: naturally gifted than me. I'm not sure, but I don't
Speaker 1: think you think And I definitely don't think I don't
Speaker 1: think either of us inherently think that we're fucking geniuses,
Speaker 1: so we're probably similar in that, And I don't think
Speaker 1: either of us were inherently you know, you're probably well,
Speaker 1: you're definitely more genetically and probably more sporting in terms
Speaker 1: of being gifted than I was, you know, But I
Speaker 1: think we're similar in that we both don't think highly
Speaker 1: of ourselves, or we didn't. Maybe we're getting a bit
Speaker 1: of confidence and awareness now hopefully not arrogance, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that being able to recognize maybe I don't
Speaker 1: have great self belief, or maybe I don't have heaps
Speaker 1: of talent, or maybe I might fuck up. But definitely,
Speaker 1: if I don't try, I'm never going to grow, learn evolved,
Speaker 1: that get better.
Speaker 2: Like how did you when you got to a point
Speaker 2: of like stepping up in it? Let's like, so, whether
Speaker 2: it be corporate work or speaking or any of that,
Speaker 2: when it was time to level up and step into
Speaker 2: that new paradigm, how did you? How did you do that?
Speaker 2: Because that's when it bolsters me sometimes in the middle
Speaker 2: of and when I say transaction, I don't mean a
Speaker 2: financial transaction, but like maybe a conversation in exchange or
Speaker 2: an opportunity or feedback on something. I notice internally that
Speaker 2: almost the unworthiness or I'm not this or stuff comes
Speaker 2: up or I go, so how do you manage? Because
Speaker 2: that's for me, it's probably one of the biggest things
Speaker 2: that I keep coming up against.
Speaker 1: So for me, I have had to be willing to
Speaker 1: fuck up and fail and get uncomfortable and look silly,
Speaker 1: like if you can go, I'm probably going to get embarrassed.
Speaker 1: That's okay. I'm probably gonna not do this. Well, that's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to make more mistakes than I'm going
Speaker 1: to get things correct. In the early days, like for me,
Speaker 1: it was I've told this story, but I'll just briefly
Speaker 1: retell it. Like my first couple of speaking gigs, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's really overselling what it was. But I was
Speaker 1: talking to a group and I did get paid, right.
Speaker 1: But so the first one was in at a timber yard,
Speaker 1: and it was in the staff room or the lunch room,
Speaker 1: talking to a bunch of blokes who didn't give a
Speaker 1: fuck and you know, really weren't interested. But the guy,
Speaker 1: the guy that owned the business, I was his trainer,
Speaker 1: and he loved the shit I said, and He's like,
Speaker 1: the shit that you tell me, My blokes need to
Speaker 1: hear that shit. And I went and told them the
Speaker 1: same shit, and clearly they weren't him, and they weren't interested.
Speaker 1: But one or two guys. But in the middle of
Speaker 1: that quite painful thirty minutes in the lunch room, there
Speaker 1: were just one or two glimmers of connection and hope.
Speaker 1: And it may be a smile or maybe a laugh
Speaker 1: or and I just I just had this speaking of hope.
Speaker 1: I just went ah, like those little so those little
Speaker 1: moments of connection or those little, tiny little wins, they
Speaker 1: felt amazing. And I went, oh and a few times,
Speaker 1: like for the first year that I did stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and I did probably seventy percent of what I did
Speaker 1: in the first year was for free, and thirty percent
Speaker 1: I got paid a dollar fifteen, right. But it was
Speaker 1: in the middle of doing all of that and every
Speaker 1: time coming away having done a three out of ten
Speaker 1: or a two out of ten, or a four out
Speaker 1: of ten, or sometimes when I was on fire, a five, right,
Speaker 1: but being able to learn and see in my self
Speaker 1: growth like I knew, I I like, I'm not good yet.
Speaker 1: I know I'm not good, but I was terrible and
Speaker 1: now I'm just less shit. Right. So it's like, if
Speaker 1: you know you know Brad, that you and I both
Speaker 1: know jiu jitsu Brad, Right, So if I go and
Speaker 1: roll with Brad, if I do jiu jitsu with Brad,
Speaker 1: I know that Brad could kill me seventeen different ways
Speaker 1: in sixty seconds and I couldn't do anything about it. So,
Speaker 1: and he's a he owns in a cab jiu jitsu academy,
Speaker 1: he's very experienced, is very good. He's one of the
Speaker 1: best probably in Australia in terms of in that you know.
Speaker 1: And so, but my job is not to go and
Speaker 1: beat Brad. My job is to go in and go, right, well,
Speaker 1: Brad's great at this, I'm shit at this, and to
Speaker 1: work at getting better, not at work at beating at
Speaker 1: Brad or being as good as Brad, but going well, Craig,
Speaker 1: you're a You're not even a one out of ten.
Speaker 1: He's a nine. So you're you're a half out of ten.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, for me, it's just about that, you know,
Speaker 1: It's just about going well. I've just got to work
Speaker 1: at being better and maybe down the track, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll have a podcast that thousands of people listen to.
Speaker 1: Or maybe I'll write a book and someone will buy it,
Speaker 1: you know. Or maybe I'll write a few books. So
Speaker 1: maybe I'll do a talk and I'll be fucking terrible,
Speaker 1: but maybe one day seven hundred people will pay to
Speaker 1: listen to me and I'll be great. Who knows, or
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 2: It's that I've been doing some work with a friend
Speaker 2: of mine. He's a speaker also, and we're just following
Speaker 2: some processes that from some of his coaches and that
Speaker 2: he does, so he's walking me through. It's about idea,
Speaker 2: generation and content and just really valuable stuff, a way
Speaker 2: of thinking. Like my brain hurt when he introduced me
Speaker 2: to this stuff. And after the first we did a
Speaker 2: co working day together, that night, I messaged him and said, hey,
Speaker 2: with love, fuck you because yesterday I was a speaker
Speaker 2: and I knew what my message was and I knew
Speaker 2: what I spoke about. And right now I feel like
Speaker 2: dogshit that doesn't know anything and can't even articulate to
Speaker 2: you in an empty room what I'm talking about, because
Speaker 2: it was introduced to this entirely new level of a
Speaker 2: way of thinking and understanding things that just wasn't familiar
Speaker 2: to me. Yeah, and that that's so confronting.
Speaker 1: What did you Okay, so what was the How long
Speaker 1: ago is that?
Speaker 2: Oh? A couple of weeks?
Speaker 1: So what's that? What do you know now? Like you
Speaker 1: felt shit straight away? What do you know now? And
Speaker 1: what have you adapted? And what do you think now
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: So I think that I realized that I I'm great
Speaker 2: at telling stories, but I'm not great at articulating what
Speaker 2: my point is before being like I'm great if you,
Speaker 2: but if a company comes to me and goes, we
Speaker 2: want to talk about this, this is our what we
Speaker 2: want to get across. I'm awesome at going through our
Speaker 2: mental filing cabinet and nailing that. I'm not great at
Speaker 2: some one going what do you talk about? What do
Speaker 2: you want to come and tell my company? I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: And then in the trying to pull that out of
Speaker 2: my head, it's like the messy fucking sock draw. It's everywhere,
Speaker 2: and my brain goes from I can't categorize cleanly and
Speaker 2: clearly and create flow with my points, and I know
Speaker 2: I do it on the fly, but I just feel
Speaker 2: like there's value in understanding that if I want to
Speaker 2: be able to portray what I do when I have
Speaker 2: opportunities to connect with people and companies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, that is interesting. I think we can
Speaker 1: complicate it. Right. Yesterday I spent half a day with
Speaker 1: I haven't said this yet, have I? Maybe I said
Speaker 1: that the kids from Lara Secondary College. Right, great, your
Speaker 1: twelve kids amazing. We did it at ballaratt Uni. And
Speaker 1: whether or not I'm talking to you know, elite sporting team,
Speaker 1: which I do, or I'm talking to a company like
Speaker 1: a corporate space, you know, in a fancy fucking conference center,
Speaker 1: or I'm talking of blokes on a construction site, or
Speaker 1: I'm talking as seventeen year olds at a school or
Speaker 1: at a university. It was. The common thread is that
Speaker 1: you're trying to help them think better, do better, be better,
Speaker 1: create better outcomes. Right, And so I reckon you can
Speaker 1: distill it down to a ten twenty second elevate a
Speaker 1: pitch as they call it, which you can then build on.
Speaker 1: So when someone goes to me, what do you do,
Speaker 1: and they're really asking what my job is, I go
Speaker 1: I help people change stuff. The end it's like I
Speaker 1: don't know what that is. You know has seven words
Speaker 1: or six words? I help people change stuff five words, right,
Speaker 1: and they're like, what is what stuff? I go, lots
Speaker 1: of stuff, you know. I go head stuff, mind stuff, life,
Speaker 1: life stuff, habits, behaviors, you know, thinking outcomes, results. Oh,
Speaker 1: how do you do that? And I go, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm an excise scientist. I'm doing my doctorate in the
Speaker 1: mind PhD in you know, psychology. So we think about
Speaker 1: all the human stuff, you know, like the thing we
Speaker 1: have in common is we all want to succeed, we
Speaker 1: all want to be healthy, we all want to be happy.
Speaker 1: And so we open that door. And oh and then
Speaker 1: so just by going I help people change stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: then people go generally almost everyone says what people what stuff?
Speaker 1: I go, all people, all stuff. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: at least open the door, Like here's what we know.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what environment or what person or what situation.
Speaker 1: Nobody in front of you wants to be less happy,
Speaker 1: Nobody in the room wants to be less healthy, Nobody
Speaker 1: in the room wants to be more of a failure,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to be more fearful. Right, and so it's
Speaker 1: like I think once you try and over talk it
Speaker 1: or over explain it, you do yourself a disservice, you know.
Speaker 1: So I tend to go, oh, look, I work with
Speaker 1: teams and athletes and companies and individuals about just helping
Speaker 1: them create better outcomes in their world the end, you know,
Speaker 1: or whatever, because invariably there's a question, nobody goes ah
Speaker 1: and walks away. They go ah, cool, thanks by, Like
Speaker 1: they don't do that. I've never had that done. So
Speaker 1: what I do is if I go, oh, well, thanks
Speaker 1: for asking. Well, actually I do a range of things.
Speaker 1: I'm an author, you know. Then people are shut up,
Speaker 1: like I'm always like undersell over the liver. Just open
Speaker 1: the door, say something a bit interesting but also authentic,
Speaker 1: open the door a bit, and then let them come
Speaker 1: through and ask you stuff if you want. But I mean,
Speaker 1: the nutshell of what you do is the same. Your
Speaker 1: job is to help people perform better whatever people and
Speaker 1: whatever perform means better habits, better thinking, better decisions, better
Speaker 1: operating systems, better protocols, better lifestyle. You know, it's all
Speaker 1: the same stuff, right even you know, It's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not a corporate guru at all, but I work successfully
Speaker 1: in the corporate space. But I've never ever been corporate myself,
Speaker 1: Like I've never been a corporate employee ever in my life.
Speaker 1: Yet I can go into the corporate space and thrive
Speaker 1: because everyone in the corporate space is a human and
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good with humans, you know. So yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think over time, I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: very podcasting what I'm saying, but fuck it, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's just you and me. I'm coaching you. But
Speaker 1: I think over time, you're going to get more succinct
Speaker 1: and more clear, and you know, it's just going to
Speaker 1: become more where, more and more, as you get more
Speaker 1: experienced and more confident and more competent, it's going to
Speaker 1: be not that you are in any way choreographed or
Speaker 1: you know, you're more person than persona, but as you
Speaker 1: do more and more my experiences anyway, for me, you
Speaker 1: just it's almost just like you're having a conversation, but really,
Speaker 1: you know, really like yesterday, sorry you go.
Speaker 2: Well, I was just say what I've really what I
Speaker 2: like and am drawn to about this process of working
Speaker 2: with Mike is the research and the deep dive into
Speaker 2: what are my thoughts? Where does this come from? What
Speaker 2: is the research like stuff that I like? Where have
Speaker 2: I drawn this from? And because I want to leave.
Speaker 2: I want yeah, I want to leave people with all
Speaker 2: of the directions I've looked in so they can go
Speaker 2: and look there too, like real clarity around I think
Speaker 2: just even the idea of it's made me go back
Speaker 2: and read books I've read before on specific topics and
Speaker 2: bring to mind, get real clarity on why I've landed
Speaker 2: where I've landed with all of this stuff, and what
Speaker 2: is the research and other people who talk about it,
Speaker 2: what are the things that I've agreed with and disagreed with,
Speaker 2: and how can I talk about that to a room
Speaker 2: because that's all relevant, Like all of it, all of
Speaker 2: the stuff that's my stuff is just a decision that's
Speaker 2: built on stuff that I have agreed with and disagreed
Speaker 2: with and maybe changed my mind about over time. So
Speaker 2: I've loved the process of going back to that and
Speaker 2: playing there, but it's just left me in a bit
Speaker 2: of a whirlwind of oh, I'm not used to thinking
Speaker 2: in this one's being used to thinking in a different way.
Speaker 2: And I know I use my brain a lot in
Speaker 2: what I do, but like it physically hurt. I was
Speaker 2: physically at home going my brain hurt feels like I've
Speaker 2: done a workout with my head.
Speaker 1: That's funny, Yeah, funny. Can I tell you a little secret. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your brain can't hurt because there's no pain receptors in it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, you're welcome. That's ten dollars. I'll send you
Speaker 1: the bill.
Speaker 2: You're doing a PhD. You wouldn't have been able to
Speaker 2: kill me that.
Speaker 1: But what what I was going to say to you
Speaker 1: is what I think is something of a relief for
Speaker 1: all speakers, is you're not the answer, like Tiff Cook,
Speaker 1: not the answer. Tiff Cook. I can call you a
Speaker 1: chick because you call yourself a chick, So please don't
Speaker 1: send me an email everyone Tiff calls herself that you're
Speaker 1: a chick. On the stage in front of a bunch
Speaker 1: of other people sharing thoughts and ideas and stories. Some
Speaker 1: of them are going to land, some of them are
Speaker 1: going to connect. Some people are going to be fucking inspired.
Speaker 1: Some people are going to be looking at their Facebook
Speaker 1: while you're talking. Some people are going to walk away
Speaker 1: and go, she's a gum. That was the best thing
Speaker 1: I've ever fucking heard. And a few people will go, ah, right,
Speaker 1: that's what we do. You go in there and you
Speaker 1: go I'm going to tell you some stuff that I think,
Speaker 1: some experiences, I've had, some insights I've gained, maybe a
Speaker 1: story or two, and then I'm going to explain why
Speaker 1: I'm telling you all that, and then you're going to
Speaker 1: maybe do something with it or not right. And so
Speaker 1: it's not like I never you know, I would never
Speaker 1: tell someone how to think, but I would talk about thinking.
Speaker 1: I would talk about metacognition and you know, metaperception, all
Speaker 1: of that. I would never tell someone what they should eat,
Speaker 1: but I would talk about nutrition. You know, I would
Speaker 1: never tell someone what would be the best job, but
Speaker 1: I could talk about the psychology of work and fulfillment
Speaker 1: and connection and purpose and what tends to work for
Speaker 1: some people in terms of you know, thriving not surviving
Speaker 1: in work for forty years, and you know, so you
Speaker 1: can talk about things without directing people, because there's some
Speaker 1: stuff that we know, Like I think we can safely
Speaker 1: say that if you have a job where you feel
Speaker 1: like it's meaningful and you have purpose and you have
Speaker 1: connection with other people and you feel like you're doing
Speaker 1: good and growing and evolving, and well, there's a fair
Speaker 1: chance you're going to like that job. But if you
Speaker 1: get paid a million bucks a year, and I know
Speaker 1: some people that think it wouldn't matter what it was.
Speaker 1: I would fucking love it. You wouldn't love it like
Speaker 1: I mean, if you had a job where you've got
Speaker 1: a million bucks a year, twenty grand a week, but
Speaker 1: you fucking hated every moment of it, guess what your
Speaker 1: life is not. That's not success, that's not joy, that's
Speaker 1: just income. And so you know, I think there are
Speaker 1: these things that are broadly relevant, if not one hundred
Speaker 1: percent applicable all of the time. But as I said
Speaker 1: to these kids, yes there's seventeen. Yesterday was day one
Speaker 1: of year twelve. I'm like, what a fucking exciting time
Speaker 1: it is for you, you know? And I said, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: You know, No, there's no optimal career. There's no optimal plan,
Speaker 1: but there's there's the best plan for you, though, but
Speaker 1: your best plan will be the worst plan for the
Speaker 1: person next to you, and the career that blows your
Speaker 1: socks off. I'm like, how many of you want to
Speaker 1: be an influencer? Right? And of course no, not all
Speaker 1: the hands. I thought it would be everybody, but a
Speaker 1: few hands went up, you know, and you go cool.
Speaker 1: So for some of you, maybe that's what you should
Speaker 1: or could do for Maybe you'll be an architect for
Speaker 1: some of you, maybe you'll be a world famous chef,
Speaker 1: or maybe you'll be none of that. Maybe you'll buy
Speaker 1: a truck and you'll have a truck driving business and
Speaker 1: you'll transport stuff around it. Who knows, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: but it's trying to find this, you know, Like what's
Speaker 1: going to work for tif cook won't work for the
Speaker 1: next person. And you know, it's like I say that
Speaker 1: people don't don't do what I'd do because most people
Speaker 1: would hate it because I don't actually have a job
Speaker 1: or predictability, or I don't have a set wage. I
Speaker 1: don't have you know, I don't have holiday pay, I
Speaker 1: don't have sick pay. I don't have much security in
Speaker 1: that sense, or predictability or certainty. Most people would hate
Speaker 1: what I do because it's extremely financially vulnerable, you know.
Speaker 1: But I thrive in that. But most people don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's so much there's sacrifice in every aspect
Speaker 2: of what we do in life, Like because I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about it, you know, I think about that a lot.
Speaker 2: I could not fathom the idea of nine to five
Speaker 2: again with someone else owning my time, me having no autonomy,
Speaker 2: but also would love someone to pay me super and
Speaker 2: holiday pay. I'd love to be able to leave the
Speaker 2: job at work at five pm and turn my head
Speaker 2: off like there's and you go, well, you get a
Speaker 2: choice of what you are willing to pay for that,
Speaker 2: and you get to pay it like because seven days
Speaker 2: a week, any time of the day, I can go
Speaker 2: and walk my dog at my will any day I could,
Speaker 2: I couldn't theoretically just do whatever the fuck I want.
Speaker 2: And that's the price I pay. Is well, that you
Speaker 2: can do that, You've also got to fucking make enough
Speaker 2: money to pay yourself in super so you can eat
Speaker 2: when you're sixty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I don't even think it's a price.
Speaker 1: I think it's the joy you get. I'm like, for me,
Speaker 1: there's like it's not even none of me feels like
Speaker 1: I'm missing out on I I feel like that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been cheating for forty years. I
Speaker 1: feel like the fucking kid who got away with the cake, right,
Speaker 1: I'm like, just I'm the fat kid in the corner
Speaker 1: with a fucking chocolate cake and I'm just getting away
Speaker 1: with it, you know, like my mum, I reckon my
Speaker 1: mum for about the first twenty years, is like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck do you actually do? You don't have a job?
Speaker 1: You know. She didn't like even when I owned like
Speaker 1: a proper business, gyms and stuff, to me, that was
Speaker 1: a fucking scam. Like if I didn't own a gym,
Speaker 1: m'd be in a gym two hours a day anyway.
Speaker 1: And now I could just be in the place I
Speaker 1: want to be in and people give me money, and
Speaker 1: nothing that I do feels like a job. I'm around
Speaker 1: people who are happy, people who are getting in shape,
Speaker 1: people who are having good conversations, people who get excited
Speaker 1: to come to see you, people get excited to come
Speaker 1: to the place that you work at, and it's just
Speaker 1: this fucking massive, kind of amazing energy. And you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not a job. This is a scam. And
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of this scam. I'm making dough
Speaker 1: fucking don't tell anyone. I hope it doesn't catch on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it did.
Speaker 1: Personal training court on Ah, well oh well, oh well
Speaker 1: that's that. I think. It's just you know, I was
Speaker 1: talking to these kids yesterday. Did you see the picture
Speaker 1: I put up of that young kid. No, oh, go
Speaker 1: to my instagram right now. I know this is not
Speaker 1: very good. Go to my instagram and have a look
Speaker 1: at the photo of that kid. And I now, if
Speaker 1: you want to see this kid everyone, his name's Declan.
Speaker 1: Just turned seventeen, day one of year twelve yesterday. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not tiny. I'm five ten and I'm
Speaker 1: eighty six kilos.
Speaker 2: Dre just above his like your your head comes up
Speaker 2: to his mouth with your head comes up to his lips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I look like I'm fucking four foot seven, yeah,
Speaker 1: and fifty two kilos and I'm five ten and eighty
Speaker 1: five or six kilos. And I don't think he would
Speaker 1: mind me telling you because dudes don't care. And he
Speaker 1: said to me, and he's in good shape. Right, So
Speaker 1: he's six five and one hundred and thirty kilos and
Speaker 1: he's in good shape, like he's an athletic six five
Speaker 1: one thirty.
Speaker 2: When when I hear stats like that, the first thing
Speaker 2: I think is wow, I managine how much food he
Speaker 2: gets to eat.
Speaker 1: Anyway, back to what I you know, Like, the thing is,
Speaker 1: I was trying to emphasize to those kids, like you
Speaker 1: can pretty much do whatever you want, like, I know
Speaker 1: there are limitations, and but but don't do what mum
Speaker 1: or dad necessary. Like if what mum and dad want
Speaker 1: you to do is also what you want to do,
Speaker 1: well cool, but don't become a fucking doctor because mum
Speaker 1: and dad want you to become a doctor. Become a
Speaker 1: doctor because that's what you want. Become a truck driver
Speaker 1: or a train driver, or a personal trainer, or a
Speaker 1: fucking artist or a street performer, whatever you want. Like oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you've got to pay the bills. Yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: You've also got to live and have some joy in
Speaker 1: And the thing is that it's like, well, let's find
Speaker 1: let's get an income, but let's have joy as well,
Speaker 1: and maybe we could do both. Maybe we can make
Speaker 1: a fortune and also do the thing that we love.
Speaker 1: And just trying to get across to them that you
Speaker 1: don't realize how much potential you have at this time
Speaker 1: in your life. And also you don't need to figure
Speaker 1: out the next forty years by Friday week. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like this doesn't I talked to thirty year olds
Speaker 1: who don't know what they want to do, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: guess what you've got another fucking fifty years, so chill,
Speaker 1: like there is no hurry, like even when I finished
Speaker 1: my current study, and like I reckon, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm going to do, but I
Speaker 1: tell you what I'm not doing thinking about winding down
Speaker 1: or retire. I'm excited. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I go.
Speaker 1: Is there a chance I'll do some more study? YEP?
Speaker 1: I probably won't, But could I go and do like
Speaker 1: I would go and do a degree in something that
Speaker 1: I know nothing about just because I want to learn that.
Speaker 1: And it's never been not easier, but it's never been
Speaker 1: more convenient to study now because you can do so
Speaker 1: much online. A friend of mine's doing a master's in nutrition,
Speaker 1: primarily nearly all of it online. I mean, it's full on,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of work, but like and just to
Speaker 1: just to like talk to these kids and go, hey,
Speaker 1: the world is your oyster, Like there is so much
Speaker 1: stuff that you can do. But also then too like
Speaker 1: presenting with them the idea of intentional living, which is
Speaker 1: having said that, yes, there are so many options and
Speaker 1: so many roads you can choose, but also you're not
Speaker 1: going to accident wind up in an awesome place like
Speaker 1: you need to choose it. You need to do the
Speaker 1: work you need to. You need to keep getting up,
Speaker 1: You need to be resilient, you need to, you know,
Speaker 1: find your reason. You need to outlast the motivation. You
Speaker 1: need to. So also, it's not all fucking you know
Speaker 1: roses and you know puppies. It's like there's there's still work,
Speaker 1: and there's still discipline, and there's still effort and energy
Speaker 1: and you know, there's all of that. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, if like most of my listeners do, if
Speaker 1: you live in Australia right now, it's a pretty fucking
Speaker 1: good time despite all the doom and gloom that we're
Speaker 1: exposed to, you know, twenty twenty five, Like, there have
Speaker 1: been so many periods evolutionary, evolutionarily where humanity has been
Speaker 1: in a way worse place than we're at now.
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Speaker 1: You really did not need to?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably? Yeah. Can you get another six months extension
Speaker 2: on your board?
Speaker 1: Board Eagles six streams? Yeah? See, I don't need this
Speaker 1: in my ah.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh there's a month feeding little eagles. Rather turn
Speaker 3: that off because that's noisy. Yeah all right, well that's
Speaker 3: that's just fucked up my afternoon.
Speaker 1: There goes my productivity out the window. It's been real
Speaker 1: cook Thanks listeners. By the way, Feb three, next Monday,
Speaker 1: we're almost there. It's Thursday. As we're recording. This Monday night,
Speaker 1: our new mentoring program gets underway. Get the fuck on board.
Speaker 1: Thanks TIV, Thanks helps