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Speaker 3: at the highest level for over thirty years, thirteen years

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Speaker 3: ninety three, where he has and still manages some of

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Speaker 3: Australia's biggest sporting stars. In his spare time, he likes

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Speaker 3: long walks on the beach reading smart novels. Welcome Steve Gillers,

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Speaker 3: better known as Chimes.

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Speaker 5: Very good, very good, your research, mate, every.

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Speaker 3: Aspect especially that's my That was actually when I googled you,

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Speaker 3: that's all that It came perfect, mate, Chimes. Dad's got

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Speaker 5: Coming in award winning podcast Chimes.

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Speaker 1: It's going, it's going fantastic, and I've had people comming

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm enjoying it. Fell into it. Probably don't have

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Speaker 1: It's funny and it like you look at listen to

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Speaker 5: I think some of them. I feel like I could

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Speaker 3: And we're going to talk about some of the players

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Speaker 3: you've managed to manage now. But of those guests that

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Speaker 5: I mean, I've got a fear so I enjoyed Blake Steep.

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Speaker 5: He tells the story about he nearly lost his dad in.

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Speaker 3: A because he's from Port and Quarry right, and he

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Speaker 5: He's had a massive heart attack and they Blake dragged

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Speaker 5: It's an amazing story. Yeah, really good.

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Speaker 3: I was up in Port not long ago and they

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Speaker 3: No? I didn't, But you know what talking about people

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Speaker 1: I reckon Harry's plants, anything for a bit of good publicity.

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Speaker 1: Very smart made I really the Frank pernice one. I mean,

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Speaker 5: And they've got them queued up. They've got kids there

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Speaker 3: Let's hype them up right now.

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Speaker 1: You know what you want. And this is I think

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Speaker 5: You watched the replay.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Penrith are doing now. We watched

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like and we spoke to Alex twyl about

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Speaker 3: Bloody Milky might get Winger of the Year. He's going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, chimes, you were a journal originally, Yeah, news limited news.

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Speaker 5: When I left school straight into journalism, Yeah, failed English.

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Speaker 5: English was my bestest subject at school.

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Speaker 3: Best How do you say, how exactly how do you

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Speaker 5: You're going as a copy boy, so you're going to

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Speaker 3: So it's one of those industries where back then you

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Speaker 5: Start at the bottom, mate, and then if you're lucky

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Speaker 4: Oh wow.

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Speaker 5: They could be doctors and lawyers. They wanted to be journalists, right.

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Speaker 3: And who was the big journalist? Like obviously now you

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Speaker 5: He was a good fella in sport. There was the

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Speaker 5: Buzz was there. But Buzz was a young young put

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Speaker 3: What was But did Buzz how he sounds now? Did

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Speaker 5: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: So his voice has never changed over time fell rough

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: That's Buzz's voice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, quite unique. He would have done well on the voice,

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Speaker 5: I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Identifiable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he is Newcastle Blake, Yeah, sixty seven sixty seven?

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Speaker 5: But is he yeah?

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Speaker 1: Doing make coment on that.

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Speaker 4: I was just there.

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Speaker 5: I met Buzz when I was about sixteen at the races.

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Speaker 5: He was out there with a couple of journal mates

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Speaker 3: The races and he often did you take it?

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Speaker 1: Of course I did big, big drinkers back there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was big mate. So they'd go. I

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Speaker 5: used to try and keep up with them. They'd go

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Speaker 5: and then you gather the Journalists Club. Buzz got barred

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Speaker 5: from the Journalists Club and he used to get in

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Speaker 5: a few fights and he was barred. And I remember

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Speaker 3: When you say fights, are they verbal fights or their physical?

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Speaker 5: He was a fighter. So he tells the story He's

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Speaker 3: No I can't imagine him.

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Speaker 1: Hadley tells the story him and him and Buzz had

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Speaker 1: come on downstairs, balls for fox sake, buzz, I'm trying

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Speaker 3: Dropped jobs.

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Speaker 5: Wild days.

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Speaker 3: So on your journalism, because I've heard, I've heard when

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Speaker 5: Gussie. Oh yeah, I got offside with Gus. It's a

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Speaker 5: true story of this.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to say that. We know it's true.

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Speaker 5: I was just starting out and I rang him one night.

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Speaker 5: I was talking about something. I sort of kne him.

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Speaker 5: I didn't really know him, but we knew each other anyway.

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Speaker 5: Freddie Philer was at Penrith, just starting to make his

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Speaker 5: way through the grades, you know, and he's playing first

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Speaker 5: in passing. I said to Gus and I said, you

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Speaker 5: talking about other stuff, hamstring, team changes and all this

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Speaker 5: there's my story. Freddy's ready, you know, kept quoting Gas

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Speaker 5: He's ready. So I wrote the story and it was

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Speaker 5: back page Freddy's Ready, back bait story. Next day, Gus

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Speaker 5: rang me. He said, I didn't say that. He said,

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Speaker 5: I didn't say that. All you put the kid under

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Speaker 5: your help. I said, I'm upset, Gus. I don't know

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Speaker 5: how to fix it. Can you ring him and fix

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Speaker 5: it for me? He said no, I said, what do

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Speaker 5: I do? Joe said, I'm going to give you a

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Speaker 5: I'm going to give you three words. Listen carefully and

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Speaker 5: follow him. I said, what's what's the three words? He said, Stephen,

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Speaker 5: this is what you have to do is be a man.

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Speaker 5: I said what he said, be a man? I said,

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Speaker 5: what do you mean? He said, if he said he's ready,

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Speaker 5: ring him back and tell him, get stuff. Be a man,

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Speaker 5: I said, Joe, you're right. He said, I want to

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Speaker 5: hear you say it. I said, I'm going to be

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Speaker 5: a man, Joe, he said, I want to hear his chewless.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to be a man, he said, ringing me.

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Speaker 5: So I'm going to ring him right now. So rang

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Speaker 5: Gus he answers, say what I said? Hi, PHILM. I

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Speaker 5: just want to say I'm so sorry for it will

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Speaker 5: never happen again. I'm so sorry. Ring I ring Jay back.

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Speaker 5: I said, it's fixed, mate. He said, you tell him.

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Speaker 3: I said, yeah, how old are you there?

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Speaker 5: I'd have been probably twenty three?

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Speaker 3: And how old's Gus he would he'd be because he

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Speaker 3: would have been quite.

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Speaker 5: Probably thirty thirty.

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Speaker 1: Yeahause when they won the Grand Final Cany it was

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Speaker 1: twenty nine nine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was he was playing then, or he

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Speaker 3: was coaching.

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Speaker 4: He was coaching.

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Speaker 1: He was coaching Penrith, so he was captain. He was

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Speaker 1: captain of Penrith when he when he was twenty Is.

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Speaker 3: He the youngest captain ever?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: It'd be close times.

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Speaker 1: And then and then he went he sort of bumped

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Speaker 1: around New Town. Then he went to South a successful

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Speaker 1: put him in. He won a competition be Warren in

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Speaker 1: the Grand Final.

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Speaker 5: He's one of my besties. Now you've got to start

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Speaker 5: watching these games from the eighties.

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Speaker 3: That's they're all in bloody black and white chimes. Right

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Speaker 3: year were year born ninety nine? I know, I know,

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Speaker 3: I know what you think.

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Speaker 5: He didn't see the eighty nine Grand Final.

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Speaker 3: Well, no I haven't seen it. I've really now I've

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Speaker 3: rewatched a lot of the Grand Finals. But the small

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Speaker 3: details like that, like I didn't know he went he

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Speaker 3: was captaining at twenty small details that only you well chimes.

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Speaker 1: He's a bit of he's a bit of something for you.

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Speaker 1: We played South Sydney one day and it appeared just

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Speaker 1: recently on they were doing.

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Speaker 4: A tribute to Joey. Of course they fucking were.

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Speaker 1: And and he came on with beat it too good again.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now we got cove.

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Speaker 3: The other night they had a drink, first time they

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Speaker 3: had a drink.

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Speaker 4: Had a cuddle.

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Speaker 1: It gotter and guss it didn't pick up anyway. It

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Speaker 1: was going to beat our sixty nil. And during the

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Speaker 1: game when we when we got the game out of control,

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Speaker 1: we're when we're hit with hit fifty and whatnot, we're

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Speaker 5: There you go, there's an I got a question for it.

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Speaker 5: Did you play the Great Game with my business partner,

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Speaker 5: Clinton Schefowsky at Newcastle that day where I think Joey

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Speaker 5: it just invented the spiral bomb? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Do you know the background of that gimet You crushed him?

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Speaker 1: He was the hell of a player, Clinton, He was

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Speaker 1: a very very He got me one of them did well.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what happened to chimes.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, but when at

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Speaker 1: those days, you couldn't warm up on the playing ground

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Speaker 1: before him because and I actually agree with that, the

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Speaker 1: first time they wanted the fans to see the teams

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Speaker 1: your sprigs and in our sprigs and anyway. The opposition

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Speaker 1: players always say that when they were going across sometimes

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Speaker 1: as he and Clinton went over early and he took

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Speaker 1: our training, our warm up space. So we've walked over

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Speaker 1: and gone fucking cheeky bastards. But what happened was he's

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Speaker 1: going right, He's standing there with Clinton, he's Smithy the

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Speaker 1: coach is putting bombs up to Clinton. Anyway, he drops

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Speaker 4: Funck, this is interesting.

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Speaker 1: So me and Andrew actually walk over at ten minutes

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Speaker 1: the ball's going up and he's dropped, and anyway, Joey,

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Speaker 1: Joey and Jack will beat this out. But Joey's standing

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Speaker 1: there and he went all day.

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Speaker 5: It crushed him, and I remember the commentators talking and

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Speaker 3: So Joey would nail on like, yeah, I've seen some

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Speaker 3: bloody footage, and he gives the old technique. He's I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you've watched his docco that he's still running.

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Speaker 3: He's still got the DVD I was over at his

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Speaker 1: What was unusual these days, he put a torpedo bomb up.

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Speaker 1: Most of the fullbacks have seen a million times, so

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Speaker 1: they know how to diffuse him. But those early days

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Speaker 1: when I jammed them up, they didn't realize the ball

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Speaker 1: is going to swing away and is a Maddie Burton

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Speaker 1: bomb as good as I think, I think for I think,

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Speaker 1: I think the most dangerous bomb that I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: is when Nathan starts nailing those dead ball bombs flat ones.

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Speaker 1: Talking to fullbacks, they say, there are just a complete

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Speaker 3: Him Burton's one, Burton one goes. They just go, there's

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Speaker 3: so much power behind it that if he nails it,

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Speaker 3: it's it's nearly impossible for full backs to get to

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Speaker 5: Can you give Cooper a history lesson on John bomb

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Speaker 5: appeared for us?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Johnny Peard he was the he was

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Speaker 1: the originator of the bomb. That was his own days

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Speaker 1: calling the bomber Johnny Peard who played He played it

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Speaker 1: East and he went to parent Matter and one of

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Speaker 1: the world's best blows.

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Speaker 3: So he actually invented the like nobody'd put up a

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Speaker 3: bomb before him. So what was everyone doing before that?

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Speaker 3: Just kicking it long?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Maybe what they're doing Jack Coop's Cooper back in the

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Speaker 1: old days of the contested scrum.

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Speaker 5: They favorite son, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My favorite songs Jack Jack stage, and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: call it Jack Stage, but Cooper wouldn't make me. But

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Speaker 1: they just dribble the ball in touch. You just sort

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Speaker 1: of nudge it over the sideline because it was a

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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty bet that you get the ball back.

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Speaker 1: And what used to happen, Coop was if the ball

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Speaker 1: and the hooker got the loose head. And so teams

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Speaker 1: would oftentimes not go for the long kick. They'd just

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Speaker 1: kick it over the sideline just before the halfway mark

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Speaker 3: That's boring. It's like rugby union a little bit.

442
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,160
Speaker 1: Made lots of real changes along the way. I remember

443
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 1: when all the changes started to come in, and like

444
00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 1: I remember, like I grew up in three points for

445
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 1: a try. And there was when they invented the sin

446
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 1: bin for the first time. Nine only one and originally

447
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 1: it was five minutes sin bin, and they said let's

448
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 1: go five or ten. Then they went fucking too much controversy,

449
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:11,919
Speaker 1: go ten?

450
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,880
Speaker 5: What it used to be two points for a field goal?

451
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

452
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 3: Really from anywhere? If I kicked a field goal, I

453
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,359
Speaker 3: kicked one in the Queens and cut one. Take so chimes,

454
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,719
Speaker 3: let me take you the picture, right it was we

455
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,880
Speaker 3: were up by forty points and the high pressure and yeah,

456
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 3: we actually were. It wasn't to win the game because

457
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 3: when I was playing up with the Falcons, we had

458
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 3: Ryan Pappenhauser and then Peraps could kick him from anywhere.

459
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 3: So if the game was on the line, perhaps should

460
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 3: kick it. And there was one game where I just

461
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 3: snapped one just just to get an extra point next

462
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,399
Speaker 3: to the name, and I was just like, may as

463
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 3: well have a crack, no pressure mailed it. I've been

464
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 3: given the reins a couple of times in a very

465
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 3: high pressure situation and literally, I shit, you're not. I

466
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,239
Speaker 3: kicked it. It actually spiraled and did a torpedo and

467
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 3: just rolled out. I couldn't have hit it that good

468
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 3: of all.

469
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 4: I don't need to convince it sold on that.

470
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 5: How many field goals to kick the field.

471
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: Major semi final, twice in a mag twice in a

472
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: major semi final times just a.

473
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 3: Number scenario too many times.

474
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 1: Me and Andrew had an agreement because Andrew was exposed

475
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: to all the high pressure of having to take the conversions,

476
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 1: you know. So my my job was to take the

477
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: field goals, and it used to be funny, used to

478
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: be a technique to it. Used to have to get

479
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: their chimes and actually start to compartmentalize and think about

480
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: other things, because if you focus on the field goal,

481
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: you feel your heart like literally beating in your throat.

482
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: And so you'd always just send it to a spot

483
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: and mate kick one the week before to get us

484
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 1: into the Grand Final against North and you wouldn't believe.

485
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,360
Speaker 1: So we beatn Norse that to sixteen on I kicked

486
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: it against North's.

487
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 4: Myself fantastic.

488
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 3: It's repeated anyway.

489
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: So the week so, the week leading up to the

490
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 1: Grand Final, I get interviewed by Ray Martin for the

491
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: News and Ray said, I'm going to give you a

492
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: scenario to same score again sixteen or with five minutes

493
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: to go?

494
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 4: What do you do? I said, I'll call for the ball.

495
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 4: Do you kick it? I said, yeah, bloody.

496
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: Eth I do sixteen or five minutes to go, I

497
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: call the ball, I kick it. Chimes, it's fucking going

498
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 1: over like and all of a sudden, the gust of

499
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: wind blows hits the upright and goes out. Of course

500
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: it's lose to Andrew becoming that dummy and the hill

501
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: fucking stole me.

502
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 4: Fucking stole it. He stole it again?

503
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 3: Can I can I ask you a quick question, man,

504
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 3: because a lot of people in rugby league or no, generally,

505
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 3: when that game's on the line, it goes to the

506
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 3: best player, right And obviously yeah, and obviously Joey didn't

507
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 3: take that reins like it's got taken by you. How

508
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 3: did that? I know you said that conversation before. But

509
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: did Joey ever get because players can get jealous oftentimes

510
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 3: where other players will take the moment. Was there ever

511
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: any arguments.

512
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: When we go down the Parkers kids, he'd taken versions

513
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: and I'd take field goals.

514
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 3: Okay, So there was never ever like, Maddie, get out

515
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 3: of the way, I want to take it. Because a

516
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: lot of halves actually struggle with that now where the

517
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 3: left side half wants to take it because he wants

518
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 3: that moment, the right side half wants to take it.

519
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: We never played left and right halves either. It was

520
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: a completely different system.

521
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: But no, that was the algorithment.

522
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: Anyway, enough about million my success chimes. What were the

523
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: circumstances that led you to management?

524
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was about ninety ninety three.

525
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

526
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 5: At the paper, you put in for an upgrade, so

527
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 5: they have gradings, different grade urns. A grade was the

528
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 5: top and you do your get etch it. Then you

529
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 5: become a D grade journalist. And I'd put in for

530
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 5: an upgrade and they knocked me back, and I was.

531
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 5: It was a bit disappointed, you know, but I was

532
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 5: a bit of a plot, a bit of a tribe,

533
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 5: and I was never Journalism was different back then. I

534
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 5: probably didn't drink at the pub for the bosses as

535
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 5: much as I should have. I would have probably got

536
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 5: more money. So when I said to the boss, I said,

537
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 5: I said, I'd like to take mys had nine weeks holidays.

538
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 5: He said, oh, we can't speak you mate, you can't

539
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 5: take your holidays. I said, but you give me more money,

540
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 5: you won't let me take my holidys. This is my

541
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 5: first negotiation, this one. I said, I think i'll quit.

542
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 5: He said, off you go. Really, I said, I'm serious.

543
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: I leave.

544
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 5: He said, yeah, see you later and I quit. I

545
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 5: said I'm quitting and I quit and Buzz actually helped

546
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 5: me get a job at Rugby League Week and I

547
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 5: was employed within a week. Norm Taska there gave me

548
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 5: a job. It was the best job I ever had.

549
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 4: I loved it.

550
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was great, good people, a lot of fun.

551
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 5: And I became a senior writer. I was allowed to

552
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 5: do my own thing. And yeah, that was my first

553
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 5: negotiation from one.

554
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: And at what point did you go, I want to

555
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 3: start playing management.

556
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 5: Well I got a random call from Keith Blackett, who

557
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 5: was from Bathurst, and there was one Monday morning the

558
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 5: phone rang and he said, that's Gilson said, ye it is.

559
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 5: He said, my name's Keith Blackett. I'm from Bathurst. Paramount

560
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 5: want to sign me. I'm looking for a manager. This

561
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 5: is out of the blue. And he said, I heard

562
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 5: you're thinking about getting into management. He said, I want

563
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 5: you to represent me. I said, Keith, I can't work

564
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 5: for the magazine and be a conflict of interest. He said.

565
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 5: He said, if you ever heard of Wally Lewis. I said, yeah,

566
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 5: I have, I actually know Wally Lewis. He said, well,

567
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 5: he said, I'm not sure I'm better than him, but

568
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 5: I think I can be as good as him. And

569
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 5: I think this is a j who is Anyway, I said, Keith,

570
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 5: here's three numbers of three agents and someone will look

571
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 5: after him. Give him a ring and good luck. So

572
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 5: I gave him three. I went to the agents that

573
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 5: we gave him three numbers. Anyway, next morning, phone rings

574
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 5: Keithy Blakett again. He said, it's Keith Blakett. He said,

575
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 5: those three agents. One didn't answer, and one said he

576
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 5: wouldn't help me. One called me a Neville. He said,

577
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 5: I've got a meeting that at midday. I need someone

578
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 5: to help me. And I said, Keith, I can't do it.

579
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 5: And Keithy Black, who became a real good mate, was

580
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 5: a character, and he started screaming down the phone. My

581
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 5: life's on the line, my career is on the line.

582
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 5: No one wants to help me. You know, this is

583
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 5: my big chance and no one. I said, all right, Keith,

584
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 5: I'll come and help you. I went out of paramatter

585
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 5: and met Dennis Fitzgerald there and I knew Dennis and

586
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 5: he was kind enough to give me an audience and

587
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 5: we spoke about doing a deal and Dennis said, how

588
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 5: many players you got? Tolim was going to management? I

589
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 5: said this blake. He rang me yesterday. Anyway, went back

590
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 5: to the office, walked in the Edders office. I said,

591
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 5: I'm resigning. I've been out of paramatter, but not on

592
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 5: official business, been out there for myself. He said, what

593
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 5: are you talking about. I wasn't going to manage footballers.

594
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 5: He said, how many you guys? I said, oh, by

595
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 5: cook Keith Blackett. He said, oh, I said Keith Blackett.

596
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 5: I said, he's from Bathist. He said, what are you

597
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 5: talking about? Is I'm going to manage footballers?

598
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: Mate?

599
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 5: I need to resign and he said, off you go.

600
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 3: Twelve months old and then who's your first? Big fish?

601
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: Like could say right there, because if someone had a manager,

602
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: like in the early nineties, people were like fuck.

603
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 5: There was only about four agentsy around, but no one

604
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 5: ever thought about it. I think Wayne Beavis was one

605
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 5: of the originals. There was a few around that time,

606
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 5: and Richard Fiske was doing some and Brian Welsh was

607
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 5: doing some helping et and those sort of blacks. But

608
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 5: you only the real big fish.

609
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 3: Had someone and have to keep back at How quickly

610
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: did you start to would your portfolio.

611
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 5: With me a week? Mate?

612
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 4: Oh?

613
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: Really?

614
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 4: No?

615
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 5: I signed Laurie Daily a week later. No way, and

616
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 5: he was the best player, arguably the best player in

617
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 5: the world at the time.

618
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: How did that? How did that come about?

619
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 5: So I knew I needed some players, So I went

620
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 5: to North Sydney avel that camera playing Norse and went

621
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 5: across the Percy's after the game. Might have even gone

622
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 5: across at a half time, I can't remember. And I

623
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 5: bumped into lights and Rafford had put a snippet in

624
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: the paper that I was going into management and mentioned

625
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 5: Keithy black and loss come up and he said, he said,

626
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 5: how's Keithy Blackett guard? I said, oh, terrific, because people

627
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 5: have been gigging me all week. What's this article went in?

628
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 5: And he said, do you want to manage me? And

629
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 5: I said, Laurie, I can't. I can't do this. I

630
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 5: can't handle the pis date you know. He said, I

631
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 5: haven't got anyone. He said, if you want to do it,

632
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 5: and I knew reasonably well, because I used to go

633
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 5: and cover Cambra games when they started. You know, he said,

634
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 5: love you to do it, and I said, let's give

635
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 5: buzz a ring, let's get it in the paper, and

636
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 5: they reported and then the phone started.

637
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 3: Ringing everyone since as soon as Laurie signed it was

638
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 3: like it.

639
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 5: Was a big leg up for me. Massive And then.

640
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: Back then, percentage wise of contracts, what did managers get.

641
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it would have.

642
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: Been so similar to what they are now.

643
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 5: And let's not forget it's tax deductible. Very important to

644
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 5: remember that two words, tax deduction.

645
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: What manager for his?

646
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 5: Of course, haven't you been claiming yours?

647
00:28:59,560 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: No?

648
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: Really, Jesus, I should be doing that.

649
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: There, so chimes and you talk about good timing, you

650
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: get Lorry and you started a few other blokes, of course,

651
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: which we'll push forward to this because I imagine the

652
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: story is super league Like I tried to explain it

653
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: to these two blokes and their mates about what it

654
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: was like.

655
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: It was fucking.

656
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 5: Chaos, manness, absolute manners, and I got caught probably in

657
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 5: the Eiger storm. I looked after Adam Ritzon, who at

658
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 5: the time I think it was eighteen, playing first grade

659
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 5: debut at sixteen in the front row.

660
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: Who was Adam Ritson playing for them?

661
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 5: So he was, well, what happened was the best of

662
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 5: my recollection. I've been on the drink. It was a

663
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 5: Friday night common theme for keeps cropping up. Cronella were

664
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 5: playing in Perth and I'm pretty sure I was out

665
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 5: or I turned in early that height and the phone

666
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 5: was turned down and I got up for a weir

667
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 5: at about one in the morning and my answering machine

668
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 5: had lit up like Christmas tree. So I played it

669
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: and first message was Adam Ritson saying, Chimes, I'm in Perth.

670
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 5: They're trying to sign me. Give me a ring, and

671
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 5: I thought he's a jou. And then the second was

672
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 5: him again. He said, Chimes, just give me a check

673
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 5: for twenty five hours and the boys are going on

674
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 5: the casino. Can I cash it? And I'm thinking, oh,

675
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 5: this is a jew And then Shane Richardson was the

676
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 5: third message. He said, mate, we've just all signed with

677
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 5: Super League, so this would have happened after the game.

678
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 5: It's about ten ten secrecy, Yeah, he said, we're just

679
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 5: all signed. He said, Rideau signed, but he's insisted that

680
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 5: you tick off on it before we can rubber stamp

681
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 5: the contract. So ride because he couldn't get me, insisted

682
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 5: they write a clause in that if I wasn't happy

683
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 5: with the deal, he could tear it up.

684
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 4: Just clever, young fella.

685
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 5: Unbelievable lordie for a young blake. Yeah. Well, I got

686
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: out of Adam, I think the next morning, and they

687
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: flew back and I got out of his parents. We

688
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 5: met at the airport. They said to me, what what's

689
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 5: going on? I said, I haven't got a clue. I

690
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 5: don't know. I don't know what to do. But he's

691
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 5: got this escape clause, so let's let me find out

692
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 5: what's happening. And that that morning James Packer rang me

693
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 5: and he said, oh made He said, you don't know me.

694
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 5: He said, but my name's James Packer. And he said,

695
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 5: the n the arl about to launch a fight back.

696
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 5: And I understand Adam Ritson has this clause to get out.

697
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 5: I might have run carry or something and told him

698
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 5: and he said, I need to meet you. I need

699
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 5: to meet you. So we end up going to see

700
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 5: him the next day and the deal he got was

701
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 5: probably three or four times what Super League had offered.

702
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 5: But by putting that clause and he gave himself the

703
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 5: freedom to look at both sides.

704
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: And how did you handle that, like, did you push back,

705
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: did you use that clause a little bit as leverage

706
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: to getting more money, or did.

707
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 5: Actually put a deadline on him. So they basically said

708
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 5: that if if he doesn't accept that deal, he had

709
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 5: to return the check to News Limited by I think

710
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 5: it was five or six o'clock on the Sunday night.

711
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 5: So I had to ring one of the News Limited

712
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 5: chiefs and tell him that Adam was going to go

713
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 5: to the r L. And I guess not so much

714
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 5: the threat but the pressure of if he's not going

715
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 5: to sign there was no and you talk to them,

716
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 5: but come back. It was more or less you talk

717
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 5: to them and don't want to sign with this. We

718
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 5: want our money back. So I told him check. He said, well,

719
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 5: he's gone to the RL and I think he's one

720
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 5: of the first players to sign with the r L.

721
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 5: And he said, oh, you better drop that check back

722
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 5: and I said, no, the check's already there made it's

723
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 5: sitting at reception waiting for me. I think that might

724
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 5: have got a bit of a hate on me at

725
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 5: the time, because I found myself in the middle of

726
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 5: this war defending my clent. I ain't got him a

727
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 5: lot more money. He was very happy and I think

728
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 5: they weren't expecting pushback at the time.

729
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: It's amazing when you think about that, Chimes. It would

730
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: never fly now because I suppose you know footballers at

731
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: the time, we're no. Youve to know as.

732
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 4: Legal matters and whatnot.

733
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: But it's incredible to think that to be taken to

734
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: a room you can't speak to anybody, to speak to

735
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: your agents, here's the contract. And I remember when when

736
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: we signed for the Arl, the Super League would come

737
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: to myself and Andrew and said, mate, you've signed under duress.

738
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: You didn't have a manager there, et cetera, et cetera.

739
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, how so, Chimes, I'm not going to ask

740
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: you which way you land but who did you have?

741
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: Were you able to deal with both organizations?

742
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 5: Probably the majority of my players at the time of

743
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 5: probably playing for RL ALIGNE club was the Roosters or

744
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 5: Souse or Manly Parent matter, those sort of clubs, So

745
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 5: you sort of landed where you landed. I did a

746
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 5: few with Super League, but not as many as there

747
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 5: I was working with Wayne Beavis and CMA but at

748
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 5: the time, and they had more players than I did,

749
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 5: so I guess through relationships. John Ribo has gone on

750
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 5: records saying we should have signed the agents that very smart. Yeah,

751
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 5: at least get them, get them on, get them on

752
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 5: the payroll. There was some sort of divide or.

753
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 3: Can I ask your chimes of all the players that

754
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: you managed, because your managed obviously you had Lori Daily

755
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: and I imagine a lot of other big names. The

756
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: deals that you got done. You have to say the amount,

757
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: but we know how much money came into the game

758
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: when this happened. A lot of players were getting overs

759
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 3: huge contracts. Which one of your players got the biggest payday?

760
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 5: I didn't have Steve Edman, He's on record as the best.

761
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 4: That was amazing.

762
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: Steve.

763
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: He was all main player who at the back end,

764
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: who become a journeyman of sorts, thing around a lot

765
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: of clubs, but cowboys, and it was well known that

766
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: it was just about to hang the boots upon yea.

767
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 5: And didn't they mistake him for someone else?

768
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: They went in there and and then signed a big

769
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: deal with the Super League just cashed in.

770
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 5: Well, I think they mistook him for for like all

771
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 5: high profile yeah, younger, fitter, faster playing because it was

772
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 5: just madness because there was lawyers signing people. They didn't

773
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 5: have the troops to sign once. They thought once they

774
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 5: had Canella on board and I think Camera Pith Bulldogs,

775
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 5: they thought everyone had just filed. And then when the

776
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 5: fight back was on, you know, they were sending lawyers

777
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 5: out to talk to agents about stuff they didn't even

778
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 5: know about. So I took Biggie Butney and to see

779
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 5: News Limited. I remember the lawyer saying to me, and

780
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 5: Mick was there sitting with me. He said, we're talking

781
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 5: about stuffing and I said, oh, made a comment, you know,

782
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 5: I'm not sure we can trust you, pointing at me

783
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 5: and mix. Mick said, what do you mean? He said, oh,

784
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 5: you know, I think he's with the other side. You know,

785
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 5: we're trying to get you over to outside, not with

786
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 5: any side. And mixed it up and he said, we're

787
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 5: going mate. I said, what he said? If he doesn't

788
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 5: trust you? He said, I don't trust him. We're going.

789
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 5: We left.

790
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 2: Wow.

791
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: True story was what was the first the first meeting

792
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: you sat in all the first well, you said, Adam Richmond,

793
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: but the first one you sat there and the super

794
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: League or the RL offered one of your clients something

795
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: and you thought yourself fucking hell.

796
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, the Redeau one was was off the charts

797
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 5: because I knew what offer A was and I knew

798
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 5: how much sauce had been put on the like it was. Yeah,

799
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 5: as I said, probably four times great.

800
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 4: So chimes. What would happen then?

801
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: Right to give the boys and people who didn't live

802
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: through it an understanding. So what would happen is Penrith

803
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: went went to the Super League, but Freddie signed for

804
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: the RL. So Freddie Nurse to find another club. So

805
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: with Adam Ritson Cornelly out of the Super League, so

806
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: you're going to find him another club eventually it's PARAMOUNTA.

807
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: But how would that next negotiation go?

808
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Paramount one worked well. The RL basically owned

809
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 5: him and they didn't want to direct him to a club.

810
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 5: Then we're going to say you have to play at

811
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 5: this club. Paramounter one worked well because I think we

812
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 5: had a meeting and I think about four or five

813
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 5: high profile blokes went together. I think it was McCracken,

814
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 5: Jason Smith, Riudeau Pay teen pay, I think Gary Freeman

815
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 5: was Gary Freeman out there at the time.

816
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 4: Whiz. Yeah.

817
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: Whiz was at Penrith and then went across in Paramatta.

818
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 5: Yes, so when they went as a block, it wasn't

819
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 5: wasn't that difficult. So that sort of made a lot easy.

820
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: And who can you super League, don't you? I do?

821
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: I like I like hearing the stories from the players

822
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: that you managed. There some who were the biggest names

823
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: that you had at that time.

824
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 5: When I went, I had place like Craig's Salvatory, Greek Florimo,

825
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 5: I had Robbie Kerns and Ritz and a few of

826
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 5: the Saints Blacks, I took the Air and Jiff Hardy

827
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 5: guys like that. But yeah, they were all established first.

828
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: Still, Lorrie still had so lot you So the Canberra Boys,

829
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: is my understanding.

830
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 5: They met, they signed in North Queensland.

831
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

832
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: So when he went back to you and told you

833
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: the figures.

834
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 5: Cheering for him, Yeah, and I was never some of

835
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 5: the guys might have stuck the head out of the

836
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 5: fence to see what they are. Lorry committed to Super

837
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 5: League primarily because his club did and his teammates did.

838
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 5: And I think any normal person that'd be the first thing.

839
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 5: I want to stay with the boys, that's right. Yeah,

840
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 5: plus power club to championship club five years. Yeah, yeah,

841
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 5: that was the thing with Newcastle. Will decided which way

842
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 5: we're going to go and undern we become the basically

843
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 5: the tager War at the end. Maybe were a bunch

844
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 5: of hillbillies. We had no idea that position. We got

845
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 5: ourselves into it made I had the great Nathan Barnes

846
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 5: the Knights at the time. He ended up at paramatter

847
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 5: yep and look, I can't tell you what he was on,

848
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 5: but he would have got three or four times more

849
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 5: thanks to Super League. But I remember the night Gus,

850
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 5: Wayne Beaves myself drove up, which was Gus addressed the players.

851
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 5: That was unbelievable in the grand stand.

852
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: It was it was the grounds. The grand stand had

853
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: a club within it. It was pretty modest so to join.

854
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: But boys, he got up, Gus and myself and Andrew are.

855
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 5: Going to sign on the Super League Churchillian speech of

856
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 5: all time, wasn't it?

857
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: And he got up and knowing that we're all young footyheads,

858
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: Gus got up and just went rudder. Firstly off the top,

859
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: who he wants to sign for.

860
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 5: The r L.

861
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 4: Of course Gus was there.

862
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: Almost every hend went up except Andrew and mine truth

863
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: he signed with the ARL and then Gus did this

864
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: speech and just was talking about the Super League and

865
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: talking with the AARL traditions of the game, and he

866
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: just stared hole and Andrew and I and I remember

867
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: the one he just went.

868
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 4: What he said that really hit us?

869
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: He said, some of my favorite players of all time

870
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: Bradley Clyde, Lorie Daily, and Ricky Stewart. He breaks my

871
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: heart to know that those blakes will never play rugby

872
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: league ever again.

873
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 4: And we went fuck.

874
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: You could almost hear our bowels exclaimed, you know, and

875
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: then he goes all right out And then what happened boys,

876
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: was he goes, well, what do you want to do?

877
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: And we also we want to stay together? Bad timing.

878
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: Our CEO stuck his head around the corner. Now they

879
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: wanted to go to Super League, but they didn't have

880
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: the guts to tell us. He stuck his head around

881
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: the corner. Gus saw him and goes, hey, you who

882
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,959
Speaker 1: are you? He goes, I'm the CEO. Fantastic, come in here,

883
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: What do you want to do?

884
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 4: Where are you going to go?

885
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, in panic, went we'll go with other side.

886
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: The players want to go, he goes there you go, boys, right,

887
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: let's go and have a yarn?

888
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 4: And it went like that.

889
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: It was digitiable during that time chimes. Obviously a lot

890
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: of managers would have made a lot of money given

891
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: how big the contracts were. Did you ever try to

892
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: like poke other plate like sign? Did you did? Managers

893
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: were managers on a sign experiment. They were trying to

894
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: sign a lot of players. Do the deals for.

895
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 5: Really have time? You picked up a lot of clients

896
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 5: because the ring and got a manager? Can you go

897
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 5: in and represent me at either one? So picked up

898
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 5: a fair few, but I didn't have time to get

899
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 5: about Pat. Yeah.

900
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 3: Did you ever try to Matthew and Andrew? Did you

901
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: ever have a crack trying to get No?

902
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 5: Never did. And I knew the boys a little bit,

903
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 5: and we obviously greater mates now, but it wasn't It

904
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 5: wasn't me. I was sort of still starting out and

905
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 5: still a bit green, and I when I started, I

906
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 5: didn't have a clue what I was doing. I don't

907
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 5: have a clue, you know. I flung my way into

908
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 5: it and got you know what I know today compared

909
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 5: to back then, chalk and cheese. But I don't think

910
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 5: I've got to manage Maddie John's mate. He was absolute lunatic.

911
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: Oh I disagree, you know what that you said before

912
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: There was only half a dozen managers at the time,

913
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: but I tell what the explosion and player managers where

914
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: super happened. Some of them basically started a business overnight.

915
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: And when when Super League first broke, we're in a

916
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: We're at the Paramouna Park Royal and none of us

917
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: had signed. No one really knew what it was about,

918
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: but made all managers ring in the hotel room or

919
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: managers knocking on the door trying to kick the door down.

920
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: My manager basically rang us and said, mate, I'm down

921
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: in the Paramount North Paramatta McDonald's come and sign.

922
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 4: It was just chaos.

923
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: I can imagine like from a manager's and a young

924
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: manager's point of view who's wanted to start out, that

925
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: would have been that's almost a lot of like that's

926
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: if you ever had time to go into management.

927
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: Did you lose friends?

928
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 5: No? I didn't lose it, lose a friend. Thank goodness.

929
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 5: We could have done it so much better. The game

930
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: would have would have thrived. There's a lot agreed, a

931
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 5: lot of put yourself first with a going to merge

932
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 5: two clubs, but this two CEO is only one's going

933
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 5: to survive, so they're not They're not going to want

934
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 5: to do it. It's two coaches, only one's going to survive.

935
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: Some of the mergers are talking about at the time

936
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: they were going well.

937
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 4: There was a school of thought, will put Roosters.

938
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: In South together as a club? What the game would

939
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: have lost? There was talks to George and Cronulla combining.

940
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: There was all sorts of conversation. May paramount of penrithmember

941
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: that talking about one big super super western Sydney soon.

942
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: Can I ask you because you also now he was

943
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: I don't think he was involved in this back in

944
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: the day, but Matthew's great co host, Brian Fletcher, you

945
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 3: manage him now.

946
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 5: I did. I did Brian super League, you know. I

947
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 5: think he got about and don't create me. I think

948
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 5: he had about fifteen k.

949
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: He was only a fourteen thousand too much.

950
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 5: So was he at Roosters then he was mate? He

951
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 5: hadn't played first No, I think I don't think he'd

952
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 5: played yet. Yeah, yeah, well you can check, but I

953
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 5: don't think he'd played it. I think he was just

954
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 5: under the surface.

955
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 3: Because how do you handle that? Obviously, people see Fletch

956
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: now and they got they love his personality. He's loose, fun, charismatic.

957
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: But as a rugby league player, if you have a

958
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: personality like that, you can often get times in trouble.

959
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: I imagine Fletch would have got in trouble quite a bit.

960
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 5: Well, I've told some of the album. I'm writing a book.

961
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 5: I put a book together and the publisher said you

962
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 5: need about thirty chapters, and I've got twenty eight on flick.

963
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: How many times did he like and he talks to

964
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: me all the time publicly? How many times was he

965
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: sacked from the roosters?

966
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 5: Lots? Yeah, lots and fined and revived and brought back

967
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 5: and sacked.

968
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: And Robby broke the mascot sleep.

969
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he looked. Brian did a lot of naughty things.

970
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 5: He's a champion fella and he's never changed and that's

971
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 5: one of the things I like the most about him.

972
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 5: And he sticks with his mates that he grew up with.

973
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 5: You know, he's the same old Fletch, but he was

974
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 5: very naughty.

975
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: And do you think if you put Brian Fletcher back

976
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 3: then in today's game, how long do you think it

977
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: would have lasted before it was.

978
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 5: Lucky to last? Back then, he wouldn't. He wouldn't last

979
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 5: long in today's game social media, and that would have

980
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 5: been in jail. Yeah, I don't know where he'd be.

981
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 4: Because he tells me story.

982
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: There was the one with There was one story I'm

983
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: not going to talk about.

984
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 4: There was the Rocky the rooster.

985
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: He pushed him off stage and he did a compound

986
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: fracture of his leag Then he said there was another

987
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: one where there was some bloke. There was a bit

988
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: of a malay and he might have jobbed a bloke.

989
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: And his father was a high.

990
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 4: Powered lawyer and said who is it?

991
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: He said, no, no, no, we don't know. And they

992
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: went up and got the rooster's post and.

993
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 5: Hims cost a few Bob, I think I think what

994
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 5: he was in Melbourne once for a game and the

995
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 5: boys were sitting in the corridor the rooms up on

996
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 5: the floor and they're sitting with their legs stretched out,

997
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 5: and and this this staff member who's carrying a tray

998
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 5: of drinks or something and flesh. He said it was

999
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 5: too good to be true. He said I had to.

1000
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 4: Win.

1001
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 5: I said, y's just two good an opportunities.

1002
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: It was because he was I think the second time

1003
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: he was kicked it well the Rocky Restaurants where he

1004
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: went in and met with Politis and Arthur Arthur Boutson.

1005
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: But Arthur said, it's a funny scene I've ever heard,

1006
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: and Nick wasn't as happy.

1007
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 4: He sacked him.

1008
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:07,959
Speaker 1: But he said he was in the wilderness for about

1009
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: twelve months until he run into Gus at like a nightclub.

1010
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, Gus, I remember, but Fletch was playing. When I

1011
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 5: first met Fletch, I helped. I managed his I think

1012
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 5: they're a under seven ins team, under eighteens with a

1013
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 5: made of mine Dale the Snail. And I said to Brian,

1014
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 5: I said, you've got some talent. Do you want do

1015
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 5: you want me to get your start? He said, I

1016
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 5: want to play for the Roosters. He said, all I

1017
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 5: want to track sit, Just get me a track sit.

1018
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 5: I love those Roosters. This is Brian, so got in

1019
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 5: the tracks. But remember Gus saying to me when he's

1020
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 5: playing reserve growd. Joey Thomas was the coach. I said,

1021
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 5: how's he going, Gus? He said, seriously? He said. He

1022
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 5: played for Australia's Blake I said, you feared in because

1023
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 5: Fletch had no respect for controlling the ball. He wanted

1024
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 5: off every plane. Sometimes it was brilliant and sometimes create

1025
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 5: an error. And Gus said, if we can just get

1026
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 5: that little bit of shit out of him, I'm telling

1027
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 5: you you'll play for Australia.

1028
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: Are there many blokes Chimes that you've gone like that

1029
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: where people have reached out to your families and you've

1030
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: gone and sat down and went away and gone, no,

1031
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: I can't do it.

1032
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 5: It happens a bit, but I'll tell them that. You know,

1033
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 5: I don't think we're the right fit. You know, did

1034
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 5: you push your sons your boys? Were you one of

1035
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 5: those parents who.

1036
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he pushed us like we didn't even want to

1037
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: plays and yeah we want.

1038
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: You can tell I begged him not to made that.

1039
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: I said, make remember one saying to Jack, why don't

1040
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: you when do you go to American and get.

1041
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 4: A college education or something.

1042
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 3: Like that, because you seem like the kind of manager

1043
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 3: Chimes who's a kind of laid back like you don't

1044
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: seem like the kind of one that's going to if

1045
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: they need to kick up the ass, you'll you'll give

1046
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: them that. But you Ultimately, I've.

1047
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 5: Seen I've seen like everything, like absolutely everything. I've driven

1048
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 5: blokes to drug rehabs and booked them in and checked

1049
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 5: him in and picked them up, and you know, you

1050
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 5: drink drivers and your yeah, players go to jail, yeah

1051
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 5: out of prison. I've seen everything, and it's yeah, I

1052
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 5: don't know. There's no handbook for how you cope with it.

1053
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 5: I can try and give him a kick up the ass.

1054
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: Is that hard when you have to take like players,

1055
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 3: because imagine you get quite emotionally invested in the players, right,

1056
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: Is that heartbreaking when you see him go down the

1057
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: wrong path?

1058
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes, especially when you're closer to obviously you get

1059
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 5: closer to some than others and their fans. Jared Mullen

1060
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 5: is a good example. Yeah, I used to stay at

1061
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 5: the Mullein's place when I'd go up to newcast for

1062
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 5: the game, so very close, and that was he's doing okay,

1063
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 5: Now he's doing well, But that was really tough time.

1064
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: Really very difficult time. I remember he used to carry

1065
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: the weight of expectations. It was like a like an

1066
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: anvil on his He was always weighed down by that.

1067
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's lots of stories and there's lots we don't

1068
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 5: know about like you know what the pressure is like

1069
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 5: to play an RL or people have expectations of me

1070
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 5: in that. There's plenty of pressure.

1071
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: It's high pressure the industry, so you're in at the moment.

1072
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: It's funny you were talking before about the newspapers and journalism.

1073
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: Blake was saying to me recently, said I can't believe

1074
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: how feisty it is between like News and Sydney Morning Herald.

1075
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: I said, Now, I said, you should assume what it

1076
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: was like twenty five years ago.

1077
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 4: It was like fierce, wasn't it.

1078
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 5: You'd get a rocket if you missed the story.

1079
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1080
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 5: When I started, there was the mirror and the sun,

1081
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 5: you know, and if you missed someone scooped you you

1082
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 5: get a kick up the pants.

1083
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 4: Vice versa.

1084
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,959
Speaker 1: If things are sort of cool a little bit there,

1085
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: and it's a little bit more civilized on the other side,

1086
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: player management fucking hell at the month, it's like the

1087
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: wild West. Now.

1088
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 5: Oh, there's about one hundred and fifty agents now, you know,

1089
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 5: and the only way to get experiences to have players

1090
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 5: and learn learn your craft, I think, and it's probably

1091
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 5: there's probably a good thirty of one hundred and fifty

1092
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 5: wouldn't have an NRL player. Yeah, maybe as many as half.

1093
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 5: And I don't know whether they see it as a

1094
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 5: badge of honor to say I'm a player agent because

1095
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 5: you get a ticket to the foot each week you

1096
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 5: can get in.

1097
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: Do you think they're signing from school boy carnivals? Stop

1098
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: pil them and just hope for the best.

1099
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 5: But the funny thing is that parents parents will still

1100
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 5: sign sign with them.

1101
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess some of them.

1102
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: They'll turn up at school week carnivals with sunglasses and

1103
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: shoes's and all.

1104
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 5: That sort of stuff. If I had a son, not

1105
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 5: talking about you all right, if you wish who was

1106
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 5: an actor or an aspiring actor or singer, you'd want

1107
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 5: to do your homework before you sign with an agent.

1108
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 5: Who's going to you know, you want to know if

1109
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 5: this blake nails all the right people in the right

1110
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 5: lain ways to get you to the opportunities.

1111
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 4: You know.

1112
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 5: Rugby league's a little bit different, mate, they I guess

1113
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 5: because people are scrambling and the first person I think

1114
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 5: your son's really good at one to sign, Well, here

1115
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 5: we go. Yeah, we're about run our way to make

1116
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 5: a lot of money.

1117
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: Good working class, blue collar people probably vulnerable to people

1118
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: coming in and yeah, super League spoke about Super League Chimes,

1119
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: what about Super League two point zero? As far as competition, signings, money,

1120
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: Perth and P and G.

1121
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, going to be a tough slog, yeah, but I

1122
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 5: think we'll get there. Per stage one, I don't think

1123
00:52:55,200 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 5: players are genuinely going to want to go because it's

1124
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 5: how their comfort zone. And there's players with kids and families,

1125
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 5: and Polynesians have big families, you know, that travel together

1126
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 5: and live live together. So you know, I think if

1127
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 5: you put said hands up, who wants to go to

1128
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 5: Perth and say I'm going to that might be the

1129
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 5: bloke who's thirty three or thirty four or thirty five

1130
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 5: or looking for big payday. You know, because players are

1131
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 5: comfortable with a twelve million dollar cap, to get a

1132
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 5: guy out of his club to go to Perth, they're

1133
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 5: going to have to offer him a quarter of a

1134
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 5: million dollars more.

1135
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: I was going to say that if you're managing me

1136
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: and my club offers me eight hundred thousand dollars, so

1137
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: how much will Perth have to stump up?

1138
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 4: Do you think too?

1139
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 5: I'd have to be another two hundred and fifty thousand,

1140
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 5: but that you know, pay and players more doesn't make

1141
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 5: them better. What they're going to have to do is

1142
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 5: they're going to have to recruit some up. They need

1143
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 5: some senior players, I need some leaders, and they need

1144
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 5: really talented kids. So like red clar did with Katawa,

1145
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 5: they're going to have to go and identify the best

1146
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 5: young kids that are just under the surface that in

1147
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 5: twelve months or eighteen months are going to charge through.

1148
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: Have you had any of your players bump you and say, charms,

1149
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm interested here in Bears yet.

1150
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 5: A couple of senior, more experienced players may have. But

1151
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 5: the trick with Perth is they're going to get used

1152
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 5: in the marketplace by all the agents to leverage leverage. Yeah,

1153
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 5: so you know that they've basically got to get to

1154
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 5: a stage where we would like to talk to your player,

1155
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 5: but we'd like him to say he's genuine about coming.

1156
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 5: If we're going to fly him over, we'd like to

1157
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 5: know that we're a chance, and you've got to accept

1158
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 5: he may not want to go in the long run,

1159
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 5: because Redcliffe missed a lot of a lot of targets,

1160
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 5: like a lot, Yeah, there going to miss a lot.

1161
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, without the travel the next one, the really big.

1162
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 5: One, the long one over there. You wouldn't want to

1163
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 5: walk it.

1164
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 3: No, no, no, Little Matt Brockman did he run it

1165
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: over and again every week. Mate.

1166
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: So chime's okay, P and G. Which is not just

1167
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: going to be a regular challenge. It's going to be

1168
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: it's going to be as far as the country is concerned,

1169
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: cleaning up the country, health safety, all those things. But

1170
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: tax free dollars, what do you anticipate?

1171
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 5: Just back to Perth. Quickly, they'll get there. It'll be

1172
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 5: a tough slog, but they'll get there. I think, you know,

1173
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 5: fast forward ten years Perth will be doing okay, tax

1174
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 5: free money. I like the sound of that.

1175
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you get a head coaching? Old time?

1176
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 5: Mate? I would want a letter from the Prime Minister

1177
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 5: in Australia. But you remember, if the rules change and

1178
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 5: he's not along the Prime minister and you've got that letter,

1179
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 5: that you might be to wipe your bum with that. Yeah,

1180
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 5: that letter.

1181
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: So there, so there is a possibility that that money

1182
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 3: that and they are saying that now it's going to

1183
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 3: be tax free, that in three or four years it

1184
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: might not be tax free. Coming back to some of

1185
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: the players.

1186
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 5: What absolute guarantee if you've got you'd want, you'd want

1187
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 5: to be more than comfortable that your money is tax free.

1188
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 5: It's easy. It's tax free. That's the easy bit. But

1189
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 5: you need accountants, lawyers. Yeah, a stamp from the ATL

1190
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 5: stamp from the Prime Minister saying you won't pay any tings.

1191
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 3: But also, like from a recruitment point of view, it's

1192
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 3: very enticing to get a player who's at the top,

1193
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: top of his powers. They might be able to pay him,

1194
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: you know, one point five million dollars tax free. Players

1195
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 3: might go over there for two years. Can you ever

1196
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: see well in the next ten years players going over

1197
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: and you know, like a like a Harry Grant staying

1198
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 3: like at a club for eight years where you need

1199
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: that consistency to build attract other players, but to also

1200
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 3: get like combinations and things like that. Because it seems

1201
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: like it's going to be tough. Yeah, it seems like

1202
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 3: boys are just going to get over for.

1203
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 5: I don't want to knock it because I think it's

1204
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 5: exciting and we can pull it off for be fantastic,

1205
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 5: But it's going to be a tough loot.

1206
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: It's got the propensity to be our West Indies, regul

1207
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: League West Indies, you know, and bring all that excitement

1208
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: and with it. But there's what's interesting about the chimes,

1209
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: as you said about on the government level, is that

1210
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: we saw Peter Landy's at the White House with sleeping

1211
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, without Anthony Alvi Benizi and I've got no

1212
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: doubt at all that was involved with as far as

1213
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: P and G and greater footprint in the Pacific. Well,

1214
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: the change of government now in the US and it

1215
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: seems like this the new regime is not as tight

1216
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: to Australia as we've normally had in the previous hundred,

1217
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty years. I mean that is going

1218
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: to be you know. And again on top of that,

1219
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: if something happens and we have a change of government here,

1220
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: who knows.

1221
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 5: Look, I'm I'm a PV fan fan and like everything

1222
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 5: he touches turns to go and there's no doubt we

1223
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 5: wouldn't be anywhere near where we are without him. So

1224
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 5: we'll get there. But it's it's going to be, it's

1225
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 5: going to be a challenge.

1226
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: In my lifetime in rugby league, I've never seen the

1227
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: game better than it is right now. It has little

1228
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: problems here and there, But as far as the way

1229
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: I think the game's been marketed televised, of course, play

1230
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: that play the standard of football. The way it's been administrated,

1231
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean PVL has been I thought I would never

1232
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: ever see better administrators for the game than Arthurs and Quail,

1233
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: But this bloke might just be another level.

1234
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 5: He thinks outside the box and always coming up with

1235
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 5: ideas and look at participation numbers and crowd numbers and

1236
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 5: viewers and that sort of stuff, and the products, the

1237
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 5: outstanding the players are unbelievable. The game's indestructible times.

1238
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 3: Do you see, like given back to P and G

1239
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: and Perth, you know a lot of the juniors better

1240
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 3: than we would how much talent's actually out there? Do

1241
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: you think it's possible that there's enough juniors to actually

1242
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 3: fill those sides? Because when the state of Origin comes around,

1243
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 3: people say, oh the callity of the game, but the

1244
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 3: best players out have really dropped.

1245
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 5: It's an argument you can make because the comps diluted

1246
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 5: when Origin is on, but the undercarriage is it's as

1247
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,479
Speaker 5: competitive as I've ever seen it. Some really good kids,

1248
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 5: obviously National school boys this year in a cross Harbor

1249
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 5: and the opens it's an outstanding talent. There's some superstar

1250
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 5: kids didn't even make the sign. Well, so there's there is,

1251
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 5: and then there's the Polynesian component, which just keeps getting

1252
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 5: stronger and stronger and stronger. New Zealand's developing players and

1253
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 5: they've got they've got an association I think with IPS,

1254
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 5: which now and so the game is building, and then

1255
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 5: you've got taken.

1256
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 3: And you've got ties of Rubby Union, right, can I

1257
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 3: ask you, because we've seen Mark and Wogan need to

1258
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: come over. He's been playing great, You've seen Joseph to elite,

1259
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 3: you go to that code and been killing it. Is

1260
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 3: there a player over in that Rubber Union code that

1261
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 3: you look at for a Perth or a P and

1262
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 3: G and go this plot you could sign.

1263
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 5: I think Max Jorgenson is as good as young players

1264
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 5: I've ever represented. I think he's exceptionally good. Hasn't scratched

1265
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 5: the surface yet, played league as a junior, and yeah,

1266
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 5: one day he's ticking the boxes in rugby and enjoying

1267
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 5: the journey and very passionate about it. One day I'd

1268
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 5: be surprised if he if he didn't.

1269
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, Yeah, particularly the way Marks. You know, he's

1270
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: been a revelation. I never thought Mark.

1271
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 5: Would go as surprised me.

1272
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: I saw him in the Paris Olympics when I was

1273
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: over there playing in the sevens and I don't know

1274
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: whether they were spiding him a little bit, the fact

1275
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: that he just signed with the Roosters but he didn't

1276
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: get a lot of game time.

1277
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 4: But I thought it's going to be a challenge. It's

1278
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 4: been great, it's funny.

1279
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: Just quick you back on Pap New Guinea really quickly,

1280
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, we would hope you don't know. I mean

1281
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: the amount of talent we're soon a Paven New Guinea.

1282
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: How quickly is progressing? Watching last year the junior Kangaroos

1283
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: played like the junior Kowall's up in the drawer, very

1284
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: strong Australian side. There's every chance in twenty years time

1285
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: or thirty years time that P and G could be

1286
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: the new Penis.

1287
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 5: As far as producing, we shouldn't underestimate that they're undercarriage

1288
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 5: and that they play the game. They're so passionate about

1289
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 5: the game, so they'll get there. It's just going to

1290
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 5: be a tough slot. It's going to be hard work.

1291
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: Hell, am I going to do this for chimes.

1292
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 3: This podcast or no, we're talking about life.

1293
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 5: Look, I'm enjoying it. So yeah, I'll keep going until

1294
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 5: until I run out of gas. No plans to.

1295
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 3: Because you've got a lot of players on the books. Now,

1296
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 3: who's some of your Adam Reynolds, Benny Hart.

1297
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we look after I work with Clinch Sposky,

1298
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 5: so we co manage our players, but we look after

1299
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 5: Cam Murray, Ryan Papenhews and Zach Klamak, Josh but finally

1300
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 5: dang gay guy, Sammy Walker. You know, we've got plenty

1301
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 5: of high profile good players, and I don't mean to

1302
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 5: not name them all, but we're really happy. They're all

1303
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Speaker 5: good people, they all work hard, they're all doing really well,

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Speaker 5: and we're very lucky and grateful to do.

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Speaker 4: What we do.

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Speaker 3: Who's your favorite? If you had to? Okay, let me

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Speaker 3: rephrase that. Counder your head. You can only manage one

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Speaker 3: of everyone on your roster.

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Speaker 4: Who is it?

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Speaker 5: I can't answer it. I can't answer it really because

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Speaker 5: someone will ring me up this that I was your

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Speaker 5: number one. Benny Handle, like your kids, you love them

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Speaker 5: all the same.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Good on you, mate, appreciate you. Good on you, mate,

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Speaker 1: and yours well, thanks mate, Thanks congratulations on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: well mats fantastic, thanks many good on